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General Category => Elections 2020 => Topic started by: Gefn on July 30, 2020, 01:08:44 pm
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It’s the first time the president has publicly suggested pushing back the November vote.
President Donald Trump has, for the first time, publicly suggested delaying November’s presidential election.
In his latest tweet pushing his entirely unproven theory that mail-in ballots make elections more susceptible to voter fraud, Trump wrote: “With Universal Mail-In Voting (not Absentee Voting, which is good), 2020 will be the most INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT Election in history. It will be a great embarrassment to the USA. Delay the Election until people can properly, securely and safely vote???â€
Trump has no legal authority to follow through on the proposal.
More to follow...
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-proposes-delaying-the-presidential-election (https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-proposes-delaying-the-presidential-election)
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I believe this would be up to Congress, not the president. Does anyone know for sure?
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Maybe he's got a reason for tossing this out there, but on its face its a mistake.
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Maybe he's got a reason for tossing this out there, but on its face its a mistake.
Agreed. If you thought 2000 election results were a cluster duck, this election results - no matter who wins - it will be tied up so long with recounts it will make 2000 look like a cakewalk.
I am sure who ever looses will not be gracious in defeat. Even if it’s something like the 1984 election with votes, if it happens to be by mail in ballots.
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It’s the first time the president has publicly suggested pushing back the November vote.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-proposes-delaying-the-presidential-election (https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-proposes-delaying-the-presidential-election)
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He lost me on this one. If Obama had suggested this, he'd be raked over the coals.
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Why no link to the tweet?
Don't buy it..
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1288818160389558273
Yeah he's just asking but... imagine if Obama had asked that? Yikes.
Mistake Trump, stop tweeting and work on your floundering campaign.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1288818160389558273 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1288818160389558273)
Yeah he's just asking but... imagine if Obama had asked that? Yikes.
Mistake Trump, stop tweeting and work on your floundering campaign.
Absentee voting is when a verified, registered voter requests a mail in ballot...
Mail in voting is when a blank ballot is mailed to every house in the state/country and whoever receives it fills it out.... yea,, real secure... I see Trumps point..
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Trump the dictator? This suggestion is worse then Obama has ever suggested. the guy loves dictators and people who hates america. Not surprising,
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Absentee voting is when a verified, registered voter requests a mail in ballot...
Mail in voting is when a blank ballot is mailed to every house in the state/country and whoever receives it fills it out.... yea,, real secure... I see Trumps point..
how do you think the people in the army voted during world war 2...mail voting is nothing new. He is making a big deal out of it because internal numbers are showing he is screwed, sadly he is taking conservatives along with him. The trump project will set back conservatives 100 years.
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Ian Miles Cheong @stillgray
Trump's smart. He's gonna force the Democrats to call off mail-in voting so the election can proceed.
9:35 AM · Jul 30, 2020
Ian Miles Cheong @stillgray
Art of the m***********g deal.
9:35 AM · Jul 30, 2020·
Cultosaurus Erectus @rlscottrl
Replying to @stillgray
That's exactly how I'm taking it.
He's trying to scare them into backing off universal mail in voting.
9:36 AM · Jul 30, 2020·
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Ian Miles Cheong @stillgray
Trump's smart. He's gonna force the Democrats to call off mail-in voting so the election can proceed.
9:35 AM · Jul 30, 2020
Ian Miles Cheong @stillgray
Art of the m***********g deal.
9:35 AM · Jul 30, 2020·
Cultosaurus Erectus @rlscottrl
Replying to @stillgray
That's exactly how I'm taking it.
He's trying to scare them into backing off universal mail in voting.
9:36 AM · Jul 30, 2020·
that is mental gymnastics if I have ever seen it. Cool aid if I have ever seen it.
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that is mental gymnastics if I have ever seen it. Cool aid if I have ever seen it.
Lousy syntax if I have ever seen it.
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Lousy syntax if I have ever seen it.
do you like dictators then?
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POTUS set this up with a series of tweets yesterday and today, including a video, on the perils of mail-in (not absentee) voting. The tweets are posted in the Elections 2020 section/Tweets and Social media.
Remember, in States with mail-in voting the ballots go out to everyone in September --- so there's no time to dilly dally.
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Trump the dictator? This suggestion is worse then Obama has ever suggested. the guy loves dictators and people who hates america. Not surprising,
I think Trump was thinking out loud... which means he wasn't thinking when he made the Tweet. Another unforced error.
Stop Tweeting and work on your reelection campaign, Trump.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1288818160389558273
Yeah he's just asking but... imagine if Obama had asked that? Yikes.
Apples to oranges @Weird Tolkienish Figure No one was installing mail-in voting in 2008 or 2012. Mail in---not absentee voting. An absentee ballot is triggered by a request and is vetted prior to distributing the ballot. Mail-in voting is the blanket, unrequested and unvetted distribution of a ballot to every adult in the state---dead and alive, current or former address. And Pelosi is still pushing to count any vote received up to three weeks after election day. It's ballot harvesting on steroids. Every time I write that a little of my head explodes in disbelief.
And still unsettled is whether or not some districts in a given state will have both in-person and mail-in voting. BOTH, During the special election in CA25 back in May, when democrats realized Garcia was winning the mail-in vote, the State opened in-person voting booths in selected sections (minority) of the district. Garcia still won --- the dims won't let this happen again.
The President has been tweeting and talking about the problems with mail-in voting for more than six months --- a clarion call against massive voter fraud. And now he's finally gotten everyone's attention.
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Why does he say things like this... 9999hair out0000 9999hair out0000 9999hair out0000
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I think Trump was thinking out loud... which means he wasn't thinking when he made the Tweet.
I disagree. This was calculated ... and the proof is found in his tweets about mail-in voting leading up to his delay question.
The potential for massive, and I mean massive, voter fraud is real. We all know it .... including the President ... who's trying to do something to minimize it.
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Actually I find it quite funny. He's a master at getting under the Dems skin. He's doing this tongue in cheek....lighten up people!
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It's over but for the counting and Trump knows it!
Expect a tweet storm of his brainless rages as Nov nears.
He never will be missed; not for a day!!!!!
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Sadly the lowly dims predicted this, and he is playing into their hands. In over 200 years the POTUS election has not been postponed, Not even in 1812, 1864, or 1944. Bad call Mr. President.
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Thanks Right, I share your view.
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It's over but for the counting and Trump knows it!
Expect a tweet storm of his brainless rages as Nov nears.
He never will be missed; not for a day!!!!!
You'll just love Biden then....
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Postponement and Rescheduling of Elections to Federal Office
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/RL32623.pdf
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Actually I find it quite funny. He's a master at getting under the Dems skin. He's doing this tongue in cheek....lighten up people!
He threw chum in the water and the rubes bit. He never said he could unilaterally delay the election; it takes congressional action to change federal law.
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He threw chum in the water and the rubes bit. He never said he could unilaterally delay the election; it takes congressional action to change federal law.
Libtards have been screaming forever that Trump would do exactly this. You might call it chum, but I call it ammo and faux-crediblty to their claims. You really think this Tweet is going to help nail down undecided voters?
98% of the voting masses are unaware of the need for congressional action.
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Libtards have been screaming forever that Trump would do exactly this. You might call it chum, but I call it ammo and faux-crediblty to their claims. You really think this Tweet is going to help nail down undecided voters?
98% of the voting masses are unaware of the need for congressional action.
Bingo.
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Actually I find it quite funny. He's a master at getting under the Dems skin. He's doing this tongue in cheek....lighten up people!
Great... but that won't win elections.
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Libtards have been screaming forever that Trump would do exactly this. You might call it chum, but I call it ammo and faux-crediblty to their claims. You really think this Tweet is going to help nail down undecided voters?
98% of the voting masses are unaware of the need for congressional action.
So it wasn’t chum. Let’s call it a hand grenade thrown into the room—with the door slammed shut behind it.
Either way, voters are confronted now with having to do something about the attempt to steal the election via the mail in voting scam pushed by democrats.
Vote once by mail, then again in person—without any mechanism in place for cross checking. Nothing could possibly go wrong with that. *****rollingeyes*****
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This is a deliberate act to just drive the press nutz. I have no idea what the intent is behind the curtain.
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So it wasn’t chum. Let’s call it a hand grenade thrown into the room—with the door slammed shut behind it.
Either way, voters are confronted now with having to do something about the attempt to steal the election via the mail in voting scam pushed by democrats.
Vote once by mail, then again in person—without any mechanism in place for cross checking. Nothing could possibly go wrong with that. *****rollingeyes*****
Sure, but if there was such iron clad evidence, wouldn't DJT have already alerted the FEC, and gotten law enforcement involved at the appropriate levels? None the less, wouldn't forceful action against this fraud to be a more prudent approach than a "hand grenade" Tweet?
Optics are terrible on this one.
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This is a deliberate act to just drive the press nutz. I have no idea what the intent is behind the curtain.
You are probably right, but there are certain lines that shouldn't be crossed.
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You are probably right, but there are certain lines that shouldn't be crossed.
Is that one of those lines like it is illegal to burn and pillage you cities and towns?
Or maybe the it is illegal to enter the country without permission?
You are placing to much faith in the wrong people..
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Is that one of those lines like it is illegal to burn and pillage you cities and towns?
Or maybe the it is illegal to enter the country without permission?
You are placing to much faith in the wrong people..
Hijack of topic and content duely noted. :cool:
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Its not only mail in vote fraud, I'll bet there is going to be massive intentional vote count errors, lost ballots, and every conceivable method of cheating the Marxist's can conjure up. You can bet that the terrorist BLM and Antifa will be doing their paid-for dirty deeds as well.
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This is a deliberate act to just drive the press nutz. I have no idea what the intent is behind the curtain.
To distract. Like always.
Gotta do something.
Can't have all those two-term presidents today in the same place acting all presidential, drawing attention, and driving the narrative.
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He threw chum in the water and the rubes bit. He never said he could unilaterally delay the election; it takes congressional action to change federal law.
Some think it was masterful trolling on his part. I don't know. I'm more of the "Please don't tweet your every thought" persuasion, but :shrug:
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Some think it was masterful trolling on his part. I don't know. I'm more of the "Please don't tweet your every thought" persuasion, but :shrug:
Some of them are masterful. Getting you enemies to start mouth frothing just kills their ability to reason.
OTOH, proposing a first ever POTUS election postponement just isn't productive on any level.
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Some of them are masterful. Getting you enemies to start mouth frothing just kills their ability to reason.
OTOH, proposing a first ever POTUS election postponement just isn't productive on any level.
Yep.
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John Steigerwald @Steigerworld
President Trump’s tweet about mail in voting and postponing the election is dumb. Except that it has everybody in the media talking about mail in voting, which is the exact reason for the “dumb†Tweet which actually isn’t dumb at all.
11:34 AM · Jul 30, 2020
Again, I say :shrug:
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You'll just love Biden then....
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I loathe all politicians. All!!!!!
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I read several articles on this issue and all the articles state that Trump made a "suggestion" to delay the election. He didn't say that he was going to do it, he didn't say that he had the authority to delay the election he made a "suggestion". Everyone is up in arms over nothing. He is absolutely correct about the strong possibility of voter fraud and delaying the election till it is deemed "safe" to vote in person might be a good idea.
The DEMS are never going to let that happen; this is their golden opportunity to steal the election. They are also never going to admit until the election is over and they claim victory that the virus is under control and it is now 'safe' to venture out into public and resume some sort of normalcy.
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Here is a series of tweets from POTUS on voter fraud:
Good video: pointing-down
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Check out this Mail-In Voting experiment by a local news station!
Video: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1288616496638255105
7:24 PM · Jul 29, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
New York Mail-In voting is in a disastrous state of condition. Votes from many weeks ago are missing - a total mess. They have no idea what is going on. Rigged Election. I told you so. Same thing would happen, but on massive scale, with USA. Fake News refuses to report!
6:28 PM · Jul 29, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1288602262567153664
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Mail-In Voting is already proving to be a catastrophic disaster. Even testing areas are way off. The Dems talk of foreign influence in voting, but they know that Mail-In Voting is an easy way for foreign countries to enter the race. Even beyond that, there’s no accurate count!
8:10 AM · Jul 30, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1288809157722877952
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The "question" tweet ...
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
With Universal Mail-In Voting (not Absentee Voting, which is good), 2020 will be the most INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT Election in history. It will be a great embarrassment to the USA. Delay the Election until people can properly, securely and safely vote???
8:46 AM · Jul 30, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1288818160389558273
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McConnell rebuffs Trump suggestion, says election will be held 'on time'
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/509806-mcconnell-rebuffs-trump-suggestion-says-election-will-be-held-on-time
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The "question" tweet ...
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
With Universal Mail-In Voting (not Absentee Voting, which is good), 2020 will be the most INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT Election in history. It will be a great embarrassment to the USA. Delay the Election until people can properly, securely and safely vote???
8:46 AM · Jul 30, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1288818160389558273
The media blew a gasket over this???? Good grief!
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McConnell rebuffs Trump suggestion, says election will be held 'on time'
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/509806-mcconnell-rebuffs-trump-suggestion-says-election-will-be-held-on-time (https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/509806-mcconnell-rebuffs-trump-suggestion-says-election-will-be-held-on-time)
(https://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/mitch-mcconnell-turtle-gif-11.gif)
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Even if you ignore fraud, national mail in voting has a nightmare potential to introduce layers of complexity to the basic process of voting, and multiplies error points along the way, from the distribution of ballots to the delivery of ballots to election officials, to the counting, recounting and certifying of ballots.
Besides, it’s lunacy to consider changing the vote system scant months from a highly charged election. All we’d need is a fuse and...kaboom! Open warfare!
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It's over but for the counting and Trump knows it!
Expect a tweet storm of his brainless rages as Nov nears.
He never will be missed; not for a day!!!!!
What condiments would you like with those words?
If the Democrats get their communist in, you will either get to eat them, or you will be happy with that result.
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
With Universal Mail-In Voting (not Absentee Voting, which is good), 2020 will be the most INACCURATE & FRAUDULENT Election in history. It will be a great embarrassment to the USA. Delay the Election until people can properly, securely and safely vote???
8:46 AM · Jul 30, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1288818160389558273
The media blew a gasket over this???? Good grief!
All they saw was "Delay the election" and off to the races...
(Does that make them 'raceist'? I'm still trying to figure that one out...
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Glad I was able to get the very dishonest LameStream Media to finally start talking about the RISKS to our Democracy from dangerous Universal Mail-In-Voting (not Absentee Voting, which I totally support!).
4:22 PM · Jul 30, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1288932940337090561
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Must know Election results on the night of the Election, not days, months, or even years later!
4:22 PM · Jul 30, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1288933078287745024
This'll cut down on the ballot harvesting .....
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To distract. Like always.
Gotta do something.
Can't have all those two-term presidents today in the same place acting all presidential, drawing attention, and driving the narrative.
POTUS isn't distracting @FeelNoPain ---- he's shining a light on this fraudulent scheme and bringing it into the open so we've time (the voters) to be aware of this and take precautions. It also bitch-slaps straight to hell Pelosi's plan to accept votes received up to three weeks after Nov 3.
Look at the President's tweets posted below .... the reasoning and strategy is clear.
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This'll cut down on the ballot harvesting .....
I agree with him, but suggesting to delay the election just gives the Dems ammo to make the dictator argument. Luckily the Dems were so awful this Tweet may be memory holed.
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I agree with him, but suggesting to delay the election just gives the Dems ammo to make the dictator argument. Luckily the Dems were so awful this Tweet may be memory holed.
Nah, with the scope of the fraud scheme out in the open, that dictator dog won't hunt @Weird Tolkienish Figure happy77
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Glad I was able to get the very dishonest LameStream Media to finally start talking about the RISKS to our Democracy from dangerous Universal Mail-In-Voting (not Absentee Voting, which I totally support!).
4:22 PM · Jul 30, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1288932940337090561
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I agree with him, but suggesting to delay the election just gives the Dems ammo to make the dictator argument. Luckily the Dems were so awful this Tweet may be memory holed.
Well, they stopped harping on the virus...
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Well, they stopped harping on the virus...
Another plus. happy77
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Gee, I wonder what George Will thinks about all this? Eh, not really. Who cares? Whatever. :shrug:
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POTUS isn't distracting @FeelNoPain ---- he's shining a light on this fraudulent scheme and bringing it into the open so we've time (the voters) to be aware of this and take precautions. It also bitch-slaps straight to hell Pelosi's plan to accept votes received up to three weeks after Nov 3.
Look at the President's tweets posted below .... the reasoning and strategy is clear.
@Right_in_Virginia
Imagine if throughout the last 5 years, POTUS had used twitter sparingly, judiciously, and surgically instead of his unchecked tweeting and re-tweeting of any and every far-flung notion that entered his head. A tweet from the President of The United States should rain down like thunder and be a pronouncement which bends every ear and straightens every back. A condensed, electronic fireside chat.
The result would have been that when POTUS made a valid argument like concerns about the integrity of the election (and I agree that they are valid), he'd have the gravitas and credibility to exert his clear reasoning and make his lucid case to a receptive populace.
POTUS has squandered this opportunity. He threw it away on thousands of inane tweets and cringe-worthy re-tweets. Playing to the Groundlings of his base and "OWniNg teh LiBruLz," instead of being a reflective statesman, comes at a cost. President Trump has flat out exhausted an unsustainable portion of the electorate, so it is matters not whether his strategy is purposeful if people have either tuned him out entirely, or decided he's too heedless to regard with seriousness.
I know that he has taken an unprecedented fusillade from his many detractors. I give him sincere props for being able to endure all these slings and arrows. He's truly a marvel of stamina and perseverance--I would have broken long ago and been an utter mess. But, POTUS has provided his adversaries with much of the weaponry used to attack him, whether he wants to own up to it or not.
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The best "Oh lookie! A squirrel" moment of July!
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Easy fix.
Somewhere around election eve do a mental competency test on the candidates. Live. Use the emergency broadcast system. Use Every broadcast medium, and every broadcast media.
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@Right_in_Virginia
Imagine if throughout the last 5 years, POTUS had used twitter sparingly, judiciously, and surgically instead of his unchecked tweeting and re-tweeting of any and every far-flung notion that entered his head. A tweet from the President of The United States should rain down like thunder and be a pronouncement which bends every ear and straightens every back. A condensed, electronic fireside chat.
The result would have been that when POTUS made a valid argument like concerns about the integrity of the election (and I agree that they are valid), he'd have the gravitas and credibility to exert his clear reasoning and make his lucid case to a receptive populace.
POTUS has squandered this opportunity. He threw it away on thousands of inane tweets and cringe-worthy re-tweets. Playing to the Groundlings of his base and "OWniNg teh LiBruLz," instead of being a reflective statesman, comes at a cost. President Trump has flat out exhausted an unsustainable portion of the electorate, so it is matters not whether his strategy is purposeful if people have either tuned him out entirely, or decided he's too heedless to regard with seriousness.
I know that he has taken an unprecedented fusillade from his many detractors. I give him sincere props for being able to endure all these slings and arrows. He's truly a marvel of stamina and perseverance--I would have broken long ago and been an utter mess. But, POTUS has provided his adversaries with much of the weaponry used to attack him, whether he wants to own up to it or not.
God love ya @FeelNoPain ---- But you offer nothing I cannot hear on MSNBCNN. .
I don't dance in the mud and I don't wrestle with Jell-O. I'll discuss no further the value of tweets with you.
But you carry on. happy77
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Please do 'carry on' @FeelNoPain
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@Right_in_Virginia
Imagine if throughout the last 5 years, POTUS had used twitter sparingly, judiciously, and surgically instead of his unchecked tweeting and re-tweeting of any and every far-flung notion that entered his head. A tweet from the President of The United States should rain down like thunder and be a pronouncement which bends every ear and straightens every back. A condensed, electronic fireside chat.
The result would have been that when POTUS made a valid argument like concerns about the integrity of the election (and I agree that they are valid), he'd have the gravitas and credibility to exert his clear reasoning and make his lucid case to a receptive populace.
POTUS has squandered this opportunity. He threw it away on thousands of inane tweets and cringe-worthy re-tweets. Playing to the Groundlings of his base and "OWniNg teh LiBruLz," instead of being a reflective statesman, comes at a cost. President Trump has flat out exhausted an unsustainable portion of the electorate, so it is matters not whether his strategy is purposeful if people have either tuned him out entirely, or decided he's too heedless to regard with seriousness.
I know that he has taken an unprecedented fusillade from his many detractors. I give him sincere props for being able to endure all these slings and arrows. He's truly a marvel of stamina and perseverance--I would have broken long ago and been an utter mess. But, POTUS has provided his adversaries with much of the weaponry used to attack him, whether he wants to own up to it or not.
I agree. He's a "fighter" apparently covers it all...
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God love ya @FeelNoPain ---- But you offer nothing I cannot hear on MSNBCNN. .
I don't dance in the mud and I don't wrestle with Jell-O. I'll discuss no further the value of tweets with you.
But you carry on. happy77
<Whew!> Thank you for your permission!
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<Whew!> Thank you for your permission!
Hey, Moderating a wild-west, free-wheeling political discussion Forum has its rewards! And I'm as wild-west as you can get....
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Please do 'carry on' @FeelNoPain
Thank you! @corbe :beer:
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Thank you! @corbe :beer:
Yes, what @corbe said! :beer: (From the tap at the Castle bar)
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I agree with him, but suggesting to delay the election just gives the Dems ammo to make the dictator argument. Luckily the Dems were so awful this Tweet may be memory holed.
Look at this. Look at this. BLM, ANTIFA. USING GUNS TO STOP TRAFFIC AND THREATENING CITIZENS. KILLING POLICE. MASS SHOOTINGS. GLOBALIST TAKEOVER.
http://www.infowars.com/watch-live-gates-demands-more-censorship-smears-technocrats-fear-doctors/ (http://www.infowars.com/watch-live-gates-demands-more-censorship-smears-technocrats-fear-doctors/)
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Yes, what @corbe said! :beer: (From the tap at the Castle bar)
@Cyber Liberty
Just a coke for me, kind sir. Much like our POTUS, I don't imbibe (for the same reasons that he doesn't). happy77
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@Cyber Liberty
Just a coke for me, kind sir. Much like our POTUS, I don't imbibe (for the same reasons that he doesn't). happy77
You got it, boss! I've taken to stocking Mexican Coke, made with Real Sugar!!" No high-fructose corn syrup at the Castle!
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All the coke I use to buy came from mesico and was usually good.
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Easy fix.
Somewhere around election eve do a mental competency test on the candidates. Live. Use the emergency broadcast system. Use Every broadcast medium, and every broadcast media.
You still think, that people will be honorable? Wake up. WE ARE A CESSPOOL OF FRAUD, CORRUPTION BY NON RIGHTS.
PHONY IMPEACH, PHONY RUSSIA ISSUE, SHIFTY SHIFF 'PARODY'. We are NOT in America any more. COMMUNISM.
Look at this. BLM, ANTIFA. USING GUNS TO STOP TRAFFIC AND THREATENING CITIZENS. KILLING POLICE. MASS SHOOTINGS. GLOBALIST TAKEOVER.
http://www.infowars.com/watch-live-gates-demands-more-censorship-smears-technocrats-fear-doctors/ (http://www.infowars.com/watch-live-gates-demands-more-censorship-smears-technocrats-fear-doctors/)
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that is mental gymnastics if I have ever seen it. Cool aid if I have ever seen it.
It's clearly orange in color.
Trump defends tweet on possible Election Day delay at contentious press conference
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-defends-tweet-on-possible-election-day-delay-at-contentious-press-conference (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-defends-tweet-on-possible-election-day-delay-at-contentious-press-conference)
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He just loves to watch the hounds chase the rabbit. Media going nuts. He could not delay it if he wanted to. That would be the responsibility of congress.
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He just loves to watch the hounds chase the rabbit. Media going nuts. He could not delay it if he wanted to. That would be the responsibility of congress.
:yowsa: Nipped any talk of a delayed election in the bud as well as the idea of wholesale mail ballots.
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:yowsa: Nipped any talk of a delayed election in the bud as well as the idea of wholesale mail ballots.
And accepting ballots past Nov 3. happy77
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:bkmk:
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how do you think the people in the army voted during world war 2...mail voting is nothing new. He is making a big deal out of it because internal numbers are showing he is screwed, sadly he is taking conservatives along with him. The trump project will set back conservatives 100 years.
@Stevensr123
@Gefn
@mystery-ak
I'll explain absentee ballots, mail ballots, etc., before tomorrow is over, could be late afternoon.
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He just loves to watch the hounds chase the rabbit. Media going nuts. He could not delay it if he wanted to. That would be the responsibility of congress.
But why feed into the narrative the Left is already pushing?
Is there ever going to be a time with Trump when even you say “ok that’s enough�
You do realize there’s a real chance he could use to a man in the early stages of dementia?
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What condiments would you like with those words?
If the Democrats get their communist in, you will either get to eat them, or you will be happy with that result.
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Repeating, I detest all politicians. All!!!
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This'll cut down on the ballot harvesting .....
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The Lord had his Synoptics to spread his Gospel.
Now Trump has his Flunkies to spread his tweets.
But shortly the curtain will fall and while the Gospels
will continue to resonate, the tweets will not.
The Lord is indeed merciful.
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The Lord had his Synoptics to spread his Gospel.
Now Trump has his Flunkies to spread his tweets.
But shortly the curtain will fall and while the Gospels
will continue to resonate, the tweets will not.
The Lord is indeed merciful.
Do you post while sober? Ever?
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Do you post while sober? Ever?
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Wow.......you recognized yourself in my post. Good Job!!!
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Vote once by mail, then again in person—without any mechanism in place for cross checking. Nothing could possibly go wrong with that. *****rollingeyes*****
@aligncare
@Gefn
When vote by mail or absentee mail ballots are returned to the elections administrator, it is noted by the name of the voter on the master voting list. On election day, workers have a voter list that shows if the voter voted by mail. If someone who voted by mail, comes in to vote at a polling place, he/she will be not be allowed to vote because he/she has already voted by mail.
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In his latest tweet pushing his entirely unproven theory that mail-in ballots make elections more susceptible to voter fraud, Trump wrote:........
@Gefn
WTH?????
What kind of cretin would write or believe such a damn fool statement? NO theory is proven until it has been been put into action and seen to fail.
However,there IS such a thing as common sense,and anyone who seriously thinks that allowing mail-in ballots won't lead to ballot-box stuffing by the left is a certified cretin.
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I believe this would be up to Congress, not the president. Does anyone know for sure?
@Gefn
That's my best guess,too.
I am also guessing this is Trump baiting the Dims into exposing themselves even more by making them even more hysterical than usual.
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Maybe he's got a reason for tossing this out there, but on its face its a mistake.
@skeeter
I think he just likes "Bear baiting" and is trying to get the Dims even more hysterical than normal so they say more than they are supposed to say.
Especially since he has no power to delay an election,and has to know it.
In other words,"Goosing the goobers for grins".
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Trump the dictator? This suggestion is worse then Obama has ever suggested. the guy loves dictators and people who hates america. Not surprising,
@Stevensr123
Got your panties all in a bunch of this,do ya?
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how do you think the people in the army voted during world war 2...mail voting is nothing new. He is making a big deal out of it because internal numbers are showing he is screwed, sadly he is taking conservatives along with him. The trump project will set back conservatives 100 years.
@Stevensr123
WOW! You have convinced me that Trump winning would be a disaster for the country,so I have now decided to cast all 17 of my votes for Slow Joe!
Thank you for waking me up. I am sure you will be a real hero to all when you report your hundreds of successes here back at the Huffington Post.
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9999hair out0000
Why does he say things like this... 9999hair out0000 9999hair out0000 9999hair out0000
@mystery-ak
Why not? Why are you so upset about him irritating the left and making them lose their cool?
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It's over but for the counting and Trump knows it!
Expect a tweet storm of his brainless rages as Nov nears.
He never will be missed; not for a day!!!!!
@Absalom
You sound as excited as a schoolgirl at a boy band concert. You must have government contracts or your job at risk if he wins.
Or you could be just mind-numbling stupid.
Maybe both?
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Its not only mail in vote fraud, I'll bet there is going to be massive intentional vote count errors, lost ballots, and every conceivable method of cheating the Marxist's can conjure up. You can bet that the terrorist BLM and Antifa will be doing their paid-for dirty deeds as well.
@AL
I think I would move to a city if I could afford it,so maybe some of those goobers would try to stop me from voting.
Fun is where you find it.
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@EdinVA
Did he say that,or was it his Chinese wife?
Did anybody look to see if her lips were moving while she was standing behind him with her hand on the control knobs?
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Gee, I wonder what George Will thinks about all this?
He's probably still digging into a big dictionary to prepare his pompous response.
Eh, not really. Who cares?
Not me. Will is nothing more than a human gas bag AFAIAC.
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@Stevensr123
@Gefn
@mystery-ak
I'll explain absentee ballots, mail ballots, etc., before tomorrow is over, could be late afternoon.
@Victoria33
You will be wasting your time.
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@aligncare
@Gefn
When vote by mail or absentee mail ballots are returned to the elections administrator, it is noted by the name of the voter on the master voting list. On election day, workers have a voter list that shows if the voter voted by mail. If someone who voted by mail, comes in to vote at a polling place, he/she will be not be allowed to vote because he/she has already voted by mail.
@Victoria33
And what is Santa going to bring you this year,little girl?
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I'm sure voter fraud exists. I've heard stories of some that was done in my county some years ago. I know it goes on. But is it widespread? Well, no one has definitively proven that it is.
As far as I can tell, floating the possibility of massive voter fraud is being done in preparation for if/when Trump loses. I'm reasonably sure that Trump will contest the results if he loses and he is setting up the possibility of voter fraud as one of his reasons for contesting.
By the way, I applied for a mail-in ballot and was just told I was approved. In this state one has to apply for a mail-in ballot and the applicant had better have a good reason for not voting in person. With COVID, I believe these applications are being routinely approved for old people with health conditions like yours truly. In any event, there is no blanket mailing of ballots to every Tom, Dick and Harry.
Is voting by mail completely safe from fraud? No, not 100%. But I would not want to have it eliminated entirely. In my case, my polling place was moved to the basement of a church with dubious ventilation. It's way too risky for me to be packed into that small space with a bunch of strangers who potentially could be infected. Not going to take the risk. The same applies to others who are older and are particularly at risk.
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DELAY 2020 ELECTION? - Trump says "I don't want to delay"
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apV_FnwoYoQ#)
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I'm sure voter fraud exists. I've heard stories of some that was done in my county some years ago. I know it goes on. But is it widespread? Well, no one has definitively proven that it is.
As far as I can tell, floating the possibility of massive voter fraud is being done in preparation for if/when Trump loses. I'm reasonably sure that Trump will contest the results if he loses and he is setting up the possibility of voter fraud as one of his reasons for contesting.
By the way, I applied for a mail-in ballot and was just told I was approved. In this state one has to apply for a mail-in ballot and the applicant had better have a good reason for not voting in person. With COVID, I believe these applications are being routinely approved for old people with health conditions like yours truly. In any event, there is no blanket mailing of ballots to every Tom, Dick and Harry.
@Applewood
What you applied for and received was an ABSENTEE BALLOT,not a "mail-in ballot". The only thing they have in common is both are to be mailed in.
The mail-in ballots are to be mailed to everybody that asks for one,with no proof of citizenship or registration required. You ask for one,they mail it to you,and it's up to you to be honest when you fill it out and state your citizenship and legal status to cast a ballot.
In fact,they will be bulk-mailed out to whole districts. ANYBODY that wants one,regardless of legal qualifications to vote,gets one. Or maybe even two or three. Depends on how many aliases they have.
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DELAY 2020 ELECTION? - Trump says "I don't want to delay"
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apV_FnwoYoQ#)
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@Applewood
What you applied for and received was an ABSENTEE BALLOT,not a "mail-in ballot". The only thing they have in common is both are to be mailed in.
The mail-in ballots are to be mailed to everybody that asks for one,with no proof of citizenship or registration required. You ask for one,they mail it to you,and it's up to you to be honest when you fill it out and state your citizenship and legal status to cast a ballot.
In fact,they will be bulk-mailed out to whole districts. ANYBODY that wants one,regardless of legal qualifications to vote,gets one. Or maybe even two or three. Depends on how many aliases they have.
@sneakypete
I don't know how it's done in your state, but in mine, the absentee ballot is separate from a mail-in ballot. The absentee ballot is for the voter who will not be anywhere near where he/she usually votes on election day. For example, a soldier deployed to Afghanistan would apply for an absentee ballot. A mail-in ballot is for people who can't go to the polling place to vote -- I used myself as an example: Old, high risk with health issues.
But in both cases, obtaining an absentee or a mail in ballot must be by application and the state has to approve the application. There is no blanket mail-in ballot scheme in Pennsylvania -- yet. I don't know who would have the authority to do something like that. Would it take an act of congress or would the states have the authority to decide? But in any event, until and unless the powers that be approve such a scheme, it cannot be done, at least not in Pennsylvania.
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@sneakypete
I don't know how it's done in your state, but in mine, the absentee ballot is separate from a mail-in ballot. The absentee ballot is for the voter who will not be anywhere near where he/she usually votes on election day. For example, a soldier deployed to Afghanistan would apply for an absentee ballot. A mail-in ballot is for people who can't go to the polling place to vote -- I used myself as an example: Old, high risk with health issues.
But in both cases, obtaining an absentee or a mail in ballot must be by application and the state has to approve the application. There is no blanket mail-in ballot scheme in Pennsylvania -- yet. I don't know who would have the authority to do something like that. Would it take an act of congress or would the states have the authority to decide? But in any event, until and unless the powers that be approve such a scheme, it cannot be done, at least not in Pennsylvania.
It is my understanding that each state has their own election rules, but the states still must comply with federal election laws. So, if Congress decided that ALL voting would be done by mail, then the states would need to comply.
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It is my understanding that each state has their own election rules, but the states still must comply with federal election laws. So, if Congress decided that ALL voting would be done by mail, then the states would need to comply.
Gavin Newsom has already decreed all Californians will receive vote by mail ballots. And Gavin doesn't do ANYTHING that won't serve to solidify the rat grip on this state.
Personally I think this is overkill as they already have a supermajority for life, but you know the rats. They're going for Saddam Hussein levels of support in this state.
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Gavin Newsom has already decreed all Californians will receive vote by mail ballots. And Gavin doesn't do ANYTHING that won't serve to solidify the rat grip on this state.
Personally I think this is overkill as they already have a supermajority for life, but you know the rats. They're going for Saddam Hussein levels of support in this state.
I would think Newsom is violating federal election laws. Anybody call him on that?
And yeah, where I live, the Democrats rule, so they would be silly to mail ballots to anyone and everyone.
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It is my understanding that each state has their own election rules, but the states still must comply with federal election laws. So, if Congress decided that ALL voting would be done by mail, then the states would need to comply.
Thank you for clarifying that.
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It is my understanding that each state has their own election rules, but the states still must comply with federal election laws. So, if Congress decided that ALL voting would be done by mail, then the states would need to comply.
And, in turn, the state delegates some of the rules to localities. In LA County, 16-year-olds can vote in School Board Elections.
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@skeeter
Ok, I read up about Governor Newsom's order. it looks like he has ordered that all REGISTERED VOTERS get a mail-in ballot. The ballots allegedly are not going to anyone not registered. Now, I don't know what constitutes a registered voter in California. For all I know, they could be registering illegals and convicts.
Anyway, here is a link to a Fox News story on this subject from May of this year:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/newsom-order-mail-in-ballot (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/newsom-order-mail-in-ballot)
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I'm sure voter fraud exists. I've heard stories of some that was done in my county some years ago. I know it goes on. But is it widespread? Well, no one has definitively proven that it is.
As far as I can tell, floating the possibility of massive voter fraud is being done in preparation for if/when Trump loses. I'm reasonably sure that Trump will contest the results if he loses and he is setting up the possibility of voter fraud as one of his reasons for contesting.
By the way, I applied for a mail-in ballot and was just told I was approved. In this state one has to apply for a mail-in ballot and the applicant had better have a good reason for not voting in person. With COVID, I believe these applications are being routinely approved for old people with health conditions like yours truly. In any event, there is no blanket mailing of ballots to every Tom, Dick and Harry.
Is voting by mail completely safe from fraud? No, not 100%. But I would not want to have it eliminated entirely. In my case, my polling place was moved to the basement of a church with dubious ventilation. It's way too risky for me to be packed into that small space with a bunch of strangers who potentially could be infected. Not going to take the risk. The same applies to others who are older and are particularly at risk.
What you describe is an "Absentee Ballot". What the Democrats want is a mail in ballot, mailed out without the usual information required for an Absentee ballot. The Democrat goal and absentee ballots are not the same thing, and Trump indicated the Absentee Ballots are okay.
If you recall, there were precincts in Philadelphia which voted well over 100% turnout, and all for Obama. There were also instances of dead people voting (it isn't just a joke, it's actually a postmortem identity theft), and there have been numerous examples of a car trunk full of uncounted votes suddenly turning up and shifting the balance in a close election. I think the amount of voter fraud in the coming election will be unprecedented.
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It is my understanding that each state has their own election rules, but the states still must comply with federal election laws. So, if Congress decided that ALL voting would be done by mail, then the states would need to comply.
The States have the authority to set the time, places and manner of elections for Congress but the Congress may "make or alter" the states' regulations at any time; except the place for choosing Senators.
Congress has the authority to set the day of national elections for President, but not the manner.
Congress does not have general administrative authority over any State and Local election.
In all three categories, Congress has authority over non-discrimination in voting rights.
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@skeeter
Ok, I read up about Governor Newsom's order. it looks like he has ordered that all REGISTERED VOTERS get a mail-in ballot. The ballots allegedly are not going to anyone not registered. Now, I don't know what constitutes a registered voter in California. For all I know, they could be registering illegals and convicts.
Anyway, here is a link to a Fox News story on this subject from May of this year:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/newsom-order-mail-in-ballot (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/newsom-order-mail-in-ballot)
Thanks for the link. Since illegal aliens can obtain drivers licenses and Motor Voter is the law of the land I can assure you illegals are receiving these ballots as well.
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Thanks for the link. Since illegal aliens can obtain drivers licenses and Motor Voter is the law of the land I can assure you illegals are receiving these ballots as well.
Q.E.D. Voter Fraud.
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What you describe is an "Absentee Ballot". What the Democrats want is a mail in ballot, mailed out without the usual information required for an Absentee ballot. The Democrat goal and absentee ballots are not the same thing, and Trump indicated the Absentee Ballots are okay.
There were also instances of dead people voting (it isn't just a joke, it's actually a postmortem identity theft), and there have been numerous examples of a car trunk full of uncounted votes suddenly turned up.If you recall, there were precincts in Philadelphia which voted well over 100% turnout, and all for Obama.
@Smokin Joe
IRRC,the Dims screamed with outrage about "Republican voter fraud" because one Dim candidate "Only" received 105 percent of the registered votes.
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@sneakypete
I don't know how it's done in your state, but in mine, the absentee ballot is separate from a mail-in ballot. The absentee ballot is for the voter who will not be anywhere near where he/she usually votes on election day. For example, a soldier deployed to Afghanistan would apply for an absentee ballot. A mail-in ballot is for people who can't go to the polling place to vote -- I used myself as an example: Old, high risk with health issues.
But in both cases, obtaining an absentee or a mail in ballot must be by application and the state has to approve the application. There is no blanket mail-in ballot scheme in Pennsylvania -- yet. I don't know who would have the authority to do something like that. Would it take an act of congress or would the states have the authority to decide? But in any event, until and unless the powers that be approve such a scheme, it cannot be done, at least not in Pennsylvania.
@Applewood
I read Pennsylvania's election law last night. When I write later today, I will include Penn.'s election law about absentee/mail-in ballots. Anyone can find the election code of any state - will write how to find every state's election law.
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@Applewood What you applied for and received was an ABSENTEE BALLOT,not a "mail-in ballot". The only thing they have in common is both are to be mailed in. The mail-in ballots are to be mailed to everybody that asks for one,with no proof of citizenship or registration required. You ask for one,they mail it to you,and it's up to you to be honest when you fill it out and state your citizenship and legal status to cast a ballot. In fact,they will be bulk-mailed out to whole districts. ANYBODY that wants one,regardless of legal qualifications to vote,gets one. Or maybe even two or three. Depends on how many aliases they have.
@sneakypete
"The mail-in ballots are to be mailed to everybody that asks for one,with no proof of citizenship or registration required."
No, pete, a ballot is only mailed to a registered voter and the number of the ballot is noted by the voter's name on the mail ballot list. Will write more this evening.
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@sneakypete
I don't know how it's done in your state, but in mine, the absentee ballot is separate from a mail-in ballot. The absentee ballot is for the voter who will not be anywhere near where he/she usually votes on election day. For example, a soldier deployed to Afghanistan would apply for an absentee ballot. A mail-in ballot is for people who can't go to the polling place to vote -- I used myself as an example: Old, high risk with health issues.
@Applewood
I believe you are confused about this. I have never heard of an instance in the US where someone physically unable to go cast a vote was denied an absentee ballot.
Correct me if I am wrong,but did you not have to produce an ID and voter registration or other proof of voting eligibility to receive the ballot you got in the mail? If you did,you received an absentee ballot.
If you could have gotten a ballot in the mail by just making a phone call and giving your name and address,you received a mail-in ballot.
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@sneakypete
@Applewood
pete, you said: "If you could have gotten a ballot in the mail by just making a phone call and giving your name and address,you received a mail-in ballot."
No one can get a ballot mailed to him/her by making a phone call. There must be a paper application for a mail ballot, unless it is a state where all voters vote by mail, in that case, the election's administrator mails a ballot and the number of the ballot is noted by their name. Ballots that come in are evaluated by an Early Voting Ballot Board; checks are made by the board to be sure that is the voter who voted that ballot - signatures are evaluated to determine if that is the voter's real signature on the envelope that is mailed back to them. Can't write anymore, going somewhere, will write more later today.
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@Applewood
I believe you are confused about this. I have never heard of an instance in the US where someone physically unable to go cast a vote was denied an absentee ballot.
Correct me if I am wrong,but did you not have to produce an ID and voter registration or other proof of voting eligibility to receive the ballot you got in the mail? If you did,you received an absentee ballot.
If you could have gotten a ballot in the mail by just making a phone call and giving your name and address,you received a mail-in ballot.
@sneakypete
No... I am a registered voter, and registered to my address. I have in the past requested an absentee ballot over the phone which was granted. It has been a while, and I may have been asked for additional ID, like my SoSec or something... I do not recall. Seems I remember reading my DL number to them over the phone...
And they would not send the ballot to a different address than the registered address - I don't use my mailbox much, preferring my mail go to the ranch. They would not do that.
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@sneakypete
@Applewood
pete, you said: "If you could have gotten a ballot in the mail by just making a phone call and giving your name and address,you received a mail-in ballot."
No one can get a ballot mailed to him/her by making a phone call.
@Victoria33 @Applewood
That may be true NOW,but it won't be true if the Dims get the legislation they want passed. THAT is the point I,and others are trying to make.
The dims are talking about mass mailings of ballots to every address available,and IIRC,all it would take would be a phone call to get additional ballots mailed to any address because all the caller would have to say is there are other voters living at that address not on the rental contract or property owners lists.
The Dims were clever to try to sell this as nothing more than an extension of Absentee Ballots.
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@Applewood
I believe you are confused about this. I have never heard of an instance in the US where someone physically unable to go cast a vote was denied an absentee ballot.
Correct me if I am wrong,but did you not have to produce an ID and voter registration or other proof of voting eligibility to receive the ballot you got in the mail? If you did,you received an absentee ballot.
If you could have gotten a ballot in the mail by just making a phone call and giving your name and address,you received a mail-in ballot.
@sneakypete
Let me try this again: In Pennsylvania, one can get an absentee or a mail-in ballot. An absentee ballot would be for those who will not be near their usual polling places on November 3. The mail-in ballot would be for those who physically cannot go to the polls to vote on that date. In both cases one has to apply for the ballot, either online or by mail. A phone call won't get you a mail-in ballot.
The application asks for a driver's license or state ID number. For those of us claiming age or physical impairment as a reason not to vote in person, we must provide contact information for our physician who would verify that the applicant cannot vote in person because of age, disease, disability and so on. I just talked to my doctor's secretary and asked whether he was contacted by the state to verify my health status and was told yes.
Those looking for an absentee ballot will have to provide a valid reason why they cannot be present to vote in person on November 3. The guy who will be working on an oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico -- I expect he can get an absentee ballot. The guy whom expects to get drunk on November 2 and wake up with a bad hangover on November 3 -- no. By the way, I found out that the military cannot use the standard PA form to apply for an absentee ballot. Apparently, they would use a special federal form.
Now being approved for an absentee or mail-in ballot only applies to the current election. If I want to make receiving a mail-in ballot permanent, I would have to apply for permanent mail-in ballot status.
I agree that mail-in ballots should not be given to anyone and everyone. What I object to are those who would only allow an absentee ballot, but do away with the mail-in ballot entirely. There are some of us who will be in town on election day, but we cannot get to the polls to vote. Denying us the ability to vote by mail would deprive us of our right to vote.
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@Applewood
Unless I am having a senior moment,you shot me a blank. No text other than what I wrote to you.
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@Applewood
Unless I am having a senior moment,you shot me a blank. No text other than what I wrote to you.
@sneakypete
Sorry, the senior moment was mine. I hit Send before I typed the response. I posted to you above.
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I think the point that is missing is the big 5 or so states are paying people to fill out ballots so it does not matter what the law says, it is what they can get away with to either muddy the election or sway it.
Politicians are crooks and will do anything to keep power.
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@sneakypete
Let me try this again: In Pennsylvania, one can get an absentee or a mail-in ballot. An absentee ballot would be for those who will not be near their usual polling places on November 3. The mail-in ballot would be for those who physically cannot go to the polls to vote on that date. In both cases one has to apply for the ballot, either online or by mail. A phone call won't get you a mail-in ballot.
The application asks for a driver's license or state ID number. For those of us claiming age or physical impairment as a reason not to vote in person, we must provide contact information for our physician who would verify that the applicant cannot vote in person because of age, disease, disability and so on. I just talked to my doctor's secretary and asked whether he was contacted by the state to verify my health status and was told yes.
Those looking for an absentee ballot will have to provide a valid reason why they cannot be present to vote in person on November 3. The guy who will be working on an oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico -- I expect he can get an absentee ballot. The guy whom expects to get drunk on November 2 and wake up with a bad hangover on November 3 -- no. By the way, I found out that the military cannot use the standard PA form to apply for an absentee ballot. Apparently, they would use a special federal form.
Now being approved for an absentee or mail-in ballot only applies to the current election. If I want to make receiving a mail-in ballot permanent, I would have to apply for permanent mail-in ballot status.
I agree that mail-in ballots should not be given to anyone and everyone. What I object to are those who would only allow an absentee ballot, but do away with the mail-in ballot entirely. There are some of us who will be in town on election day, but we cannot get to the polls to vote. Denying us the ability to vote by mail would deprive us of our right to vote.
Not that hard here. Maybe because I am registered with the state as disabled, but I did the whole thing over the phone... I kinda recall some query to identify that I was who I claimed to be... But they already know I am disabled (smurf parking), so perhaps they merely have to check their own records for verification.
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I think the point that is missing is the big 5 or so states are paying people to fill out ballots so it does not matter what the law says, it is what they can get away with to either muddy the election or sway it.
Politicians are crooks and will do anything to keep power.
Very good point.
Of course it is always about winning.
But if the Democrats cannot outright win, then they move to Plan B.
Plan B is always (excuse me please) to F**K IT All UP.
If Dems can't win, then they seek to tear the whole system down.
There is nothing so low-down, dishonorable, and downright vulgar, that a Democrat will not do to win.
Including destroying, selling out, and subverting everything, the whole country.
They simply do not care. As long as they stay in power, every American 'disaster' is a blessing to them.
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Very good point.
Of course it is always about winning.
But if the Democrats cannot outright win, then they move to Plan B.
Plan B is always (excuse me please) to F**K IT All UP.
If Dems can't win, then they seek to tear the whole system down.
There is nothing so low-down, dishonorable, and downright vulgar, that a Democrat will not do to win.
Including destroying, selling out, and subverting everything, the whole country.
They simply do not care. As long as they stay in power, every American 'disaster' is a blessing to them.
And if there isn't a disaster, they make one!
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Not that hard here. Maybe because I am registered with the state as disabled, but I did the whole thing over the phone... I kinda recall some query to identify that I was who I claimed to be... But they already know I am disabled (smurf parking), so perhaps they merely have to check their own records for verification.
Like I said, I guess it depends on the state where you live. Now when I first became disabled, I received a mail-in ballot for the primary election that spring. Someone must have applied for me because I didn't and I doubt the lazy lumps in Harrisburg would have had one sent to me automatically based on any disability records.
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I think the point that is missing is the big 5 or so states are paying people to fill out ballots so it does not matter what the law says, it is what they can get away with to either muddy the election or sway it.
Politicians are crooks and will do anything to keep power.
And see, this is the sort of chit that should be thoroughly investigated and clamped down on. Where are the appropriate investigative bodies? What about the AG? Why won't anyone deal with known or suspected voter fraud instead of trying to do away with mail-in ballots?
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Like I said, I guess it depends on the state where you live. Now when I first became disabled, I received a mail-in ballot for the primary election that spring. Someone must have applied for me because I didn't and I doubt the lazy lumps in Harrisburg would have had one sent to me automatically based on any disability records.
Aren't mail-in ballots and absentee ballots two different things? The latter requires confirming who you are before being able to receive one, signing the ballot envelope and having that signature verified when counted. Mail-in ballots are missing at least a couple of those steps if I understand correctly.
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Aren't mail-in ballots and absentee ballots two different things? The latter requires confirming who you are before being able to receive one, signing the ballot envelope and having that signature verified when counted. Mail-in ballots are missing at least a couple of those steps if I understand correctly.
Yes, they are two entirely different things - or used to be, anyway. I remember when I was in college trying to get an absentee ballot and the innumerable hoops I had to jump through, including having my signature notarized.
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Anyone who thinks that mail in ballots are such a good thing obviously never talked to a soldier about the difficulties of getting an absentee ballot sent to them...much less getting it back on time to be counted.
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Recent election history has shown us that the Soldier's vote is at the top of the list for being disallowed, right after provisional.
Sad, indeed. @txradioguy
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Recent election history has shown us that the Soldier's vote is at the top of the list for being disallowed, right after provisional.
Sad, indeed. @txradioguy
I don't think in all honesty any of the absentee ballots I sent in while I was overseas ever made it to the Midland County District clerk.
And IIRC there were stories during Big Ears presidency that they were actively trying to suppress the military vote.
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Anyone who thinks that marlin ballots are such a good thing obviously never talked to a soldier about the difficulties of getting an absentee ballot sent to them...much less getting it back on time to be counted.
So where is Trump on this? Like I said, fix the problems with the system, not try to eliminate the system altogether.
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So where is Trump on this? Like I said, fix the problems with the system, not try to eliminate the system altogether.
Haven't heard a word.
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Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm certain some Trumper will), but Trump campaigned heavily on Voter ID AND reform. To his credit he pushed his Administration to accomplish this.
After losing a couple of early Court Battles in the first 6 months (like on all his early initiatives), he gave up and put Kushner in charge.
Now it's an ISSUE?
I ain't buying.
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Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm certain some Trumper will), but Trump campaigned heavily on Voter ID AND reform. To his credit he pushed his Administration to accomplish this.
After losing a couple of early Court Battles in the first 6 months (like on all his early initiatives), he gave up and put Kushner in charge.
Now it's an ISSUE?
I ain't buying.
If he indeed put Jared in charge, nothing more needs to be said.
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Correct me if I'm wrong (I'm certain some Trumper will), but Trump campaigned heavily on Voter ID AND reform. To his credit he pushed his Administration to accomplish this.
After losing a couple of early Court Battles in the first 6 months (like on all his early initiatives), he gave up and put Kushner in charge.
Now it's an ISSUE?
I ain't buying.
Other than age and citizenship, the feds only have authority over money really. The states run the actual voting
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Other than age and citizenship, the feds only have authority over money really. The states run the actual voting
My state says the military has to apply for an absentee ballot using a federal form. So that has made me confused (as usual) about who has authority over military voting.
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My state says the military has to apply for an absentee ballot using a federal form. So that has made me confused (as usual) about who has authority over military voting.
If I remember right, and it has been several decades... lol
The military is the distribution point so the military vote tracking person tries to follow up on the ballots and make sure they get where they need to be so I think they use federal forms.
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If I remember right, and it has been several decades... lol
The military is the distribution point so the military vote tracking person tries to follow up on the ballots and make sure they get where they need to be so I think they use federal forms.
So then if there are problems with the military absentee ballots, it's up to the feds to address the issue?
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So then if there are problems with the military absentee ballots, it's up to the feds to address the issue?
I got out in 79' so anything I said would be speculation...
Here is a website that discusses it.. https://www.fvap.gov/military-voter (https://www.fvap.gov/military-voter)
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Anyone who thinks that mail in ballots are such a good thing obviously never talked to a soldier about the difficulties of getting an absentee ballot sent to them...much less getting it back on time to be counted.
@txradioguy
I don't know how long it has been since you talked to that soldier. Here is the way it works now; in fact I helped Florida in 2000 about military ballots with that crazy Presidential election that year. An Election Judge in Florida was going to throw out military ballots so I talked to the Florida State Republican Party Chairman and the personal lawyer of the Florida Secretary of State, and the military ballots got counted.
Overseas now, there is an officer in each area where soldiers are, who has the task of getting ballots for the soldiers and sending them back to the US. There are rules for where the officer in charge send these ballots, but I won't bother writing those. Military ballots look different than our ballots so the Judge of the Early Ballot Board knows these are military ballots. They are to be counted even if they come in a few days later than election day - that number of days is set so if they come in later than that set number of days, they are not counted.
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I remember 2000 well, and the way Democrat lawyers cheered and high-fived each other whenever they successfully challenged military votes and got them thrown out.
Good times!
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I remember 2000.
I even remember in 2001. When all you stupid mfers cried and I LAUGHED when the towers fell.
Banged the war drums.
Gave up your liberty.
Yeah, I misspoke and said billions instead of trillions.
Nothing from nothing means nothing.
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I remember 2000.
I even remember in 2001. When all you stupid mfers cried and I LAUGHED when the towers fell.
Banged the war drums.
Gave up your liberty.
Yeah, I misspoke and said billions instead of trillions.
Nothing from nothing means nothing.
@bigheadfred
For the record, I knew some people who died in the towers, and I knew many more who spent years in therapy, haunted by nightmares of running out of collapsing buildings, going down stairwells, getting outside and breathing fetid air, full of smoke and ash. Marriages eventually crumbled because of nigh terrors and guilt.
I know people who, by some weird twist of fate, Missed their bus or train that day and by being late, missed being there by minutes. People who had doctors appointments uptown. Etc. I was one of them. My appointment was two blocks away from the Towers, but a week before it was changed to the 18.
When I finally went into the city about a fortnight later, it was surreal. Missing people posters all over like lost dog posters. People who normally rushed weren’t. People were being kind to strangers, and several strangers hugged me. I regret it took 3,000 deaths to bring us all together.
No, I wept when the second tower fell. I was in shock when the first tower fell. When the plane fell into the Pentagon, I was standing up by my computer and collapsed. And when the plane went down in Pennsylvania I called my parents and told them if we all die today, I wanted them to know how much I love and appreciate all they’ve done for me. And if they survive, please take care of my cat.
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@Gefn
WTH?????
What kind of cretin would write or believe such a damn fool statement? NO theory is proven until it has been been put into action and seen to fail.
However,there IS such a thing as common sense,and anyone who seriously thinks that allowing mail-in ballots won't lead to ballot-box stuffing by the left is a certified cretin.
@sneakypete
@Victoria33
I never said that unless it was from the original article I posted. I grabbed the first story that broke, from Drudge. About half hour later it was on all the other news outlets. I just went with the first outlet who broke the story.
As for voting for president by mail in ballot, I did that when I was a Freshman in college for my first time voting. Presidential election 1980. And that will always be my favorite election because you never forget your first election, lol. I had the best congresswoman ever. She would have made a great president
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Aren't mail-in ballots and absentee ballots two different things? The latter requires confirming who you are before being able to receive one, signing the ballot envelope and having that signature verified when counted. Mail-in ballots are missing at least a couple of those steps if I understand correctly.
In PA they are separate. Maybe in some states they aren't because people are telling me I'm getting an absentee ballot and in this state, that's not so. Absentee ballots are for those who will be absent on election day; mail-in ballots are for those who cannot vote in person -- elderly, sick, disabled and so on. But I do believe the application process for both is similar. I had to provide my state ID number (drivers, of course, would provide their license number). But I believe the reasons for application would be different For an absentee ballot, I suppose the applicant would have to verify that he/she won't be available to vote in person and why. For the mail-in ballot, I had to give contact information for my physician to verify that I have age and health issues which prevent me from getting to the polls.
Now what the mail-in ballot looks like -- I won't know till I get it which may not be till October. If I remember the one I received several years ago, I did have to sign it, but I can't say whether I needed my signature notarized. I do know that when the state tried to require voter ID some years ago, the courts struck it down. So maybe there are no safeguards like notarization. I won't know till I get the ballot.
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Aren't mail-in ballots and absentee ballots two different things? The latter requires confirming who you are before being able to receive one, signing the ballot envelope and having that signature verified when counted. Mail-in ballots are missing at least a couple of those steps if I understand correctly.
Yes, absentee ballots and mail-out ballots are different.
Absentee ballots are applied for by the voter and eligibility, mailing address are vetted and recordkeeping is setup.
Mail-out ballots are sent to all voters without a request so eligibility, mailing address are not vetted and recordkeeping is not setup. No one knows or tracks what happens to undeliverable ballots (dead people, moved people, stolen ballots). How will someone know for sure they were supposed to receive a ballot and did not?? How many people will complete a mail-out ballot AND vote in person? How would a precinct know?
Many states do not have systems in place for collection and counting. --- What happens to rejected mail-out votes? What is the criteria for rejection?
Deadlines for receipt of completed ballots and including ballots in totals will be pushed until the democrats know how many votes they need to win the state. It's ballot harvesting to the higher power.
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Yes, absentee ballots and mail-out ballots are different. Absentee ballots are applied for by the voter and eligibility, mailing address are vetted and recordkeeping is setup. Mail-out ballots are sent to all voters without a request so eligibility, mailing address are not vetted and recordkeeping is not setup. No one knows or tracks what happens to undeliverable ballots (dead people, moved people, stolen ballots). How will someone know for sure they were supposed to receive a ballot and did not?? How many people will complete a mail-out ballot AND vote in person? How would a precinct know?
Many states do not have systems in place for collection and counting. --- What happens to rejected mail-out votes? What is the criteria for rejection? Deadlines for receipt of completed ballots and including ballots in totals will be pushed until the democrats know how many votes they need to win the state. It's ballot harvesting to the higher power.
@Cyber Liberty
@mystery-ak
@Applewood
A voter has to send in an application for a mail ballot. I just looked at California's law about mail ballots, and each voter must request a mail ballot to get one mailed to them.
California "AB-363 » Election Code - "Existing law provides procedures for a registered voter to apply for a vote by mail ballot..." Texas is the same, voter must apply for mail ballot.
For states to use mail ballots and also have polling places:
States are not mailing ballots haphazardly. A ballot has a number. When the ballot is sent to a voter who requested a mail ballot, that number is notated by the voter's name on the master voter list. Beginning with early voting, each county polling place has a copy of the master voting list for that polling place. A clerk registering the voter will see by that name, the voter has already voted by mail, so the voter is rejected.
There is a By-Mail Board with a name, such as "Early Voting Ballot Board". Each mail ballot is checked this board to determine if it is a valid mail ballot. Rejected ballots are placed in a box and locked. This box is locked up with the rest of ballots,everything related to this election, and kept for several years before they can be destroyed.
The Judge of this Board must send a letter to every voter whose mail ballot was rejected, informing the voter why the ballot was rejected.
A state that uses only mail ballots, the system works the same way with the ballots being checked for validity just as they are with states that use mail ballots and personal voting.
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@Victoria33
Actually, in California the governor ordered mail-in ballots be sent to all registered voters. Doesn't appear that the voters need to apply for them. Sadly, in California, I believe a "registered voter" means anyone and everyone, including illegals and felons.
This is the Fox News article about California's mail-in ballots for all scheme:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/newsom-order-mail-in-ballot (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/newsom-order-mail-in-ballot)
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Yes, absentee ballots and mail-out ballots are different.
Absentee ballots are applied for by the voter and eligibility, mailing address are vetted and recordkeeping is setup.
Mail-out ballots are sent to all voters without a request so eligibility, mailing address are not vetted and recordkeeping is not setup. No one knows or tracks what happens to undeliverable ballots (dead people, moved people, stolen ballots). How will someone know for sure they were supposed to receive a ballot and did not?? How many people will complete a mail-out ballot AND vote in person? How would a precinct know?
Many states do not have systems in place for collection and counting. --- What happens to rejected mail-out votes? What is the criteria for rejection?
Deadlines for receipt of completed ballots and including ballots in totals will be pushed until the democrats know how many votes they need to win the state. It's ballot harvesting to the higher power.
Quoted for well covering the bases.
Changing the voting system in the run up to an election, without significant study, time, and public consideration and comment, is a recipe for disaster, no matter the election’s outcome. There will be unacceptable uncertainties and delays, and chaos and violence will ensue.
That’s no way to run an election when you consider the current system is time-tested and least susceptible to fraud—especially if you attach photo identity to voting like the rest of the world does.
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Quoted for well covering the bases.
Changing the voting system in the run up to an election, without significant study, time, and public consideration and comment, is a recipe for disaster, no matter the election’s outcome. There will be unacceptable uncertainties and delays, and chaos and violence will ensue.
That’s no way to run an election when you consider the current system is time-tested and least susceptible to fraud—especially if you attach photo identity to voting like the rest of the world does.
We'll know we have officially reached Turd World status when we start dipping fingers into purple dye.
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@bigheadfred
For the record, I knew some people who died in the towers, and I knew many more who spent years in therapy, haunted by nightmares of running out of collapsing buildings, going down stairwells, getting outside and breathing fetid air, full of smoke and ash. Marriages eventually crumbled because of nigh terrors and guilt.
I know people who, by some weird twist of fate, Missed their bus or train that day and by being late, missed being there by minutes. People who had doctors appointments uptown. Etc. I was one of them. My appointment was two blocks away from the Towers, but a week before it was changed to the 18.
When I finally went into the city about a fortnight later, it was surreal. Missing people posters all over like lost dog posters. People who normally rushed weren’t. People were being kind to strangers, and several strangers hugged me. I regret it took 3,000 deaths to bring us all together.
No, I wept when the second tower fell. I was in shock when the first tower fell. When the plane fell into the Pentagon, I was standing up by my computer and collapsed. And when the plane went down in Pennsylvania I called my parents and told them if we all die today, I wanted them to know how much I love and appreciate all they’ve done for me. And if they survive, please take care of my cat.
@Gefn
As horrible as it all was,and it WAS pretty damn horrible,I would say you,and no doubt others,gained some profound insights into life,living,and what is important in life that day.
The Ying and Yang of life.
Do yourself a favor and save your humanity by never forgetting the impact it had on you,while doing your best to put the actual events behind you.
You have both my sympathy and my gratitude for that post. We all need these occasional reminders that the world is "about more than us as individuals."
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@Victoria33
Actually, in California the governor ordered mail-in ballots be sent to all registered voters. Doesn't appear that the voters need to apply for them. Sadly, in California, I believe a "registered voter" means anyone and everyone, including illegals and felons. This is the Fox News article about California's mail-in ballots for all scheme:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/newsom-order-mail-in-ballot (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/newsom-order-mail-in-ballot)
@Applewood
Thanks for posting that. Here is the critical part:
"California Republicans have pointed to problems in the state with voter rolls and a 'motor voter' program to register new voters that led to hundreds of thousands of discrepancies -- although the errors reviewed did not allow anyone to vote who shouldn’t have been allowed to."
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@Gefn
As horrible as it all was,and it WAS pretty damn horrible,I would say you,and no doubt others,gained some profound insights into life,living,and what is important in life that day.
The Ying and Yang of life.
Do yourself a favor and save your humanity by never forgetting the impact it had on you,while doing your best to put the actual events behind you.
You have both my sympathy and my gratitude for that post. We all need these occasional reminders that the world is "about more than us as individuals."
Bless you @sneakypete
I may not always agree with some opinions here but I’ll fight for everyone’s right to say them. And I’ll always try to learn something new. The day I stop learning is the day I’ll get planted six feet under.
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@Victoria33
Actually, in California the governor ordered mail-in ballots be sent to all registered voters. Doesn't appear that the voters need to apply for them. Sadly, in California, I believe a "registered voter" means anyone and everyone, including illegals and felons.
This is the Fox News article about California's mail-in ballots for all scheme:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/newsom-order-mail-in-ballot (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/newsom-order-mail-in-ballot)
California Gov. Gavin Newsom on Friday signed an executive order that will send every registered voter in the state a mail-in ballot for November’s presidential election -- immediately raising concerns from Republicans that it could lead to fraud and abuse.
>snip<
Newsom emphasized that Californians will continue to have access to in-person voting sites.
Add in "Motor Voter" registrations...
The potential for fraud in enormous, as is the potential for enormous fraud.
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Add in "Motor Voter" registrations...
The potential for fraud in enormous, as is the potential for enormous fraud.
@Smokin Joe
One can fill out an voter application at a "Motor Voter" place but that is only the application. The application is sent to the Secretary of State's Office, Election Division, and it is checked to assure the person is an American citizen, records are checked like present address, birth place, birth date, police records, death records, passport information. If the name is determined to be qualified to be a voter, the info. is sent to the County Clerk of that county with approval to include this voter on their voter list.
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@Smokin Joe
One can fill out an voter application at a "Motor Voter" place but that is only the application. The application is sent to the Secretary of State's Office, Election Division, and it is checked to assure the person is an American citizen, records are checked like present address, birth place, birth date, police records, death records, passport information. If the name is determined to be qualified to be a voter, the info. is sent to the County Clerk of that county with approval to include this voter on their voter list.
That is highly debatable in places like California. There are numerous cities where these offices are that care little about citizenship or the law.
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@Smokin Joe
One can fill out an voter application at a "Motor Voter" place but that is only the application. The application is sent to the Secretary of State's Office, Election Division, and it is checked to assure the person is an American citizen, records are checked like present address, birth place, birth date, police records, death records, passport information. If the name is determined to be qualified to be a voter, the info. is sent to the County Clerk of that county with approval to include this voter on their voter list.
Crooked politicians control every step of that process, all Dems in Cali. Do you foresee any Opportunity for Error there, at all? It's not hard to imagine willing bureaucrats in any stage of that process. I predict "record-breaking" turnout in SoCal as the ballot harvesting kicks into production mode. We've only seen "proof of concept" tests so far.
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@Smokin Joe
One can fill out an voter application at a "Motor Voter" place but that is only the application. The application is sent to the Secretary of State's Office, Election Division, and it is checked to assure the person is an American citizen, records are checked like present address, birth place, birth date, police records, death records, passport information. If the name is determined to be qualified to be a voter, the info. is sent to the County Clerk of that county with approval to include this voter on their voter list.
Victoria. I have the greatest respect for you. I applaud your information.
I don't mean this as a slight or insult.
Election manipulation occurs. The table has been set for massive election fraud.
There is the law. And there is reality.
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@txradioguy
I don't know how long it has been since you talked to that soldier. Here is the way it works now; in fact I helped Florida in 2000 about military ballots with that crazy Presidential election that year. An Election Judge in Florida was going to throw out military ballots so I talked to the Florida State Republican Party Chairman and the personal lawyer of the Florida Secretary of State, and the military ballots got counted.
Overseas now, there is an officer in each area where soldiers are, who has the task of getting ballots for the soldiers and sending them back to the US. There are rules for where the officer in charge send these ballots, but I won't bother writing those. Military ballots look different than our ballots so the Judge of the Early Ballot Board knows these are military ballots. They are to be counted even if they come in a few days later than election day - that number of days is set so if they come in later than that set number of days, they are not counted.
@Victoria33
I’m quite aware of the VAO...voting assistance officer. What you described is not their job. As the PAO I work closely with them especially in election years. They definitely do NOT have the task of getting the ballots for the soldiers and send them back to the states.
The soldier I mentioned was me. Everything was sent within the prescribed number of days. Everything was filled out correctly.
And as I said all during the Obama years there was a coordinated effort to suppress the absentee ballots of soldiers serving overseas.
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@Victoria33
I’m quite aware of the VAO...voting assistance officer. What you described is not their job. As the PAO I work closely with them especially in election years. They definitely do NOT have the task of getting the ballots for the soldiers and send them back to the states. The soldier I mentioned was me. Everything was sent within the prescribed number of days. Everything was filled out correctly. And as I said all during the Obama years there was a coordinated effort to suppress the absentee ballots of soldiers serving overseas.
@txradioguy
In 2000, during the Florida mess with military ballots, I spoke with a VAO and it is he who told me how it works - he was the VAO for his group and what I described was what he had to do. Could the year you did it have a different method than it worked in 2000?
The Florida Secretary of State, was a woman named "Harris." Can't think of her first name right now. We spoke while the military ballot problem was going on, and became friends during that. I sent her a Bush Campaign badge - it was in the shape of a Texas sheriff's badge with his name on it, and she told me she wore it. Now, I'll have to look up her first name. It is KATHERINE HARRIS.
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@txradioguy
In 2000, during the Florida mess with military ballots, I spoke with a VAO and it is he who told me how it works - he was the VAO for his group and what I described was what he had to do. Could the year you did it have a different method than it worked in 2000?
The Florida Secretary of State, was a woman named "Harris." Can't think of her first name right now. We spoke while the military ballot problem was going on, and became friends during that. I sent her a Bush Campaign badge - it was in the shape of a Texas sheriff's badge with his name on it, and she told me she wore it. Now, I'll have to look up her first name. It is KATHERINE HARRIS.
I met her once, back in 2001. Nice lady.
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@txradioguy
In 2000, during the Florida mess with military ballots, I spoke with a VAO and it is he who told me how it works - he was the VAO for his group and what I described was what he had to do. Could the year you did it have a different method than it worked in 2000?
The Florida Secretary of State, was a woman named "Harris." Can't think of her first name right now. We spoke while the military ballot problem was going on, and became friends during that. I sent her a Bush Campaign badge - it was in the shape of a Texas sheriff's badge with his name on it, and she told me she wore it. Now, I'll have to look up her first name. It is KATHERINE HARRIS.
Not likely. I’ve worked with VAO’s as part of my job since then both stateside and overseas. It could be the one you talked to was just overzealous in his job.
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Not likely. I’ve worked with VAO’s as part of my job since then both stateside and overseas. It could be the one you talked to was just overzealous in his job.
It was a hectic time. Might have had to work outside of his normal assignment? :shrug:
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It was a hectic time. Might have had to work outside of his normal assignment? :shrug:
It’s always an additional duty position. Usually given to a senior 1st lieutenant or a junior captain.
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Victoria. I have the greatest respect for you. I applaud your information.
I don't mean this as a slight or insult. Election manipulation occurs. The table has been set for massive election fraud. There is the law. And there is reality.
@bigheadfred
@mystery-ak
@Gefn
@Applewood
@Cyber Liberty
@DB
@rangerrebew
@roamer_1
Fred, my friend, and you are my friend, you do not know what happens to a ballot before it is counted. Just because a ballot is in Central Counting, does not mean it is counted. Below are methods counties use to hold fair elections. (The Texas Election Code book is about 450 pages and the book is a large size.)
Every ballot, and I mean every ballot, mail ballot, early voting ballot, ballot cast on voting day, is checked to be sure it is a legal ballot. The following actions take place in every county/parish in the country. They have a method, just as Texas has a method to hold an honest election. The following explains some of “The Texas Election Codeâ€. Each state has its own election laws similar to the above to hold fair elections. You can read your state’s Election Code, by going to your legislature on line and reading the laws.
1. Every mail ballot info. is checked by the Early Voting Ballot Board (whatever a county names their board). Those rejected are not counted.
2. Every early voting polling place has the voter list which tells them if the voter who shows up is a registered voter and if the voter has already voted by mail as that is listed beside his/her name. If the voter is not listed on the master list at that polling precinct, that person cannot vote there; if the voter insists on voting there, the voter votes a Provisional Ballot, which is a paper ballot. That ballot is evaluated by the Early Voting Ballot Board and is rejected if it is determined the voter should not have voted at that polling place. As I have said, I was the Judge of our Early Voting Ballot Board and in ten years, not a single Provisional ballot was accepted – we examined each one and all of them were not eligible to vote in that precinct.
3. Ballots voted at precincts on voting day go through the same steps as on early voting days. Each voter must be a registered voter at that voting precinct. If the voter should not vote there but insists on it, again, the voter may vote a Provisional Ballot. It must be checked to be sure it is a legal ballot, and if not, it is not counted.
This story below may come up again this election as it did the last election:
Two men said they changed a voting machine. They got into it and scrambled its insides so they said voting machines can be changed and people reading that got upset, thinking the machines are being changed.
The two men surely could do that, however, before an election, the two party county chairmen, plus the election administrator examine every machine for accuracy. Once checked, the voting machines are locked in a room and there are two locks on the door. One key is with the Election Administrator and the other is kept by the Sheriff.
(See the problem with the two men who changed a machine? They can’t get a county machine to change – the machines are locked up.)
On election day, the room with machines is unlocked and the Sheriff’s deputies take the machines to each polling place. Before they are put into service, the Election Judge of one party and the Alternate Judge of the other party, check that each machine is set at 0 before used.
4. What happens at the end of election day?
Both the Election Judge and Alternate Judge remove the disks from the voting machines or from whatever method they are using, and they take the disks/other methods, with a deputy's car behind their car, and deliver the disks to the Central Counting Station. I wrote the part of a law that determines who is in the Central Counting Station in every county in Texas.
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@bigheadfred
@mystery-ak
@Gefn
@Applewood
@Cyber Liberty
@DB
@rangerrebew
@roamer_1
Fred, my friend, and you are my friend, you do not know what happens to a ballot before it is counted. Just because a ballot is in Central Counting, does not mean it is counted. Below are methods counties use to hold fair elections. (The Texas Election Code book is about 450 pages and the book is a large size.)
Every ballot, and I mean every ballot, mail ballot, early voting ballot, ballot cast on voting day, is checked to be sure it is a legal ballot. The following actions take place in every county/parish in the country. They have a method, just as Texas has a method to hold an honest election. The following explains some of “The Texas Election Codeâ€. Each state has its own election laws similar to the above to hold fair elections. You can read your state’s Election Code, by going to your legislature on line and reading the laws.
1. Every mail ballot info. is checked by the Early Voting Ballot Board (whatever a county names their board). Those rejected are not counted.
2. Every early voting polling place has the voter list which tells them if the voter who shows up is a registered voter and if the voter has already voted by mail as that is listed beside his/her name. If the voter is not listed on the master list at that polling precinct, that person cannot vote there; if the voter insists on voting there, the voter votes a Provisional Ballot, which is a paper ballot. That ballot is evaluated by the Early Voting Ballot Board and is rejected if it is determined the voter should not have voted at that polling place. As I have said, I was the Judge of our Early Voting Ballot Board and in ten years, not a single Provisional ballot was accepted – we examined each one and all of them were not eligible to vote in that precinct.
3. Ballots voted at precincts on voting day go through the same steps as on early voting days. Each voter must be a registered voter at that voting precinct. If the voter should not vote there but insists on it, again, the voter may vote a Provisional Ballot. It must be checked to be sure it is a legal ballot, and if not, it is not counted.
This story below may come up again this election as it did the last election:
Two men said they changed a voting machine. They got into it and scrambled its insides so they said voting machines can be changed and people reading that got upset, thinking the machines are being changed.
The two men surely could do that, however, before an election, the two party county chairmen, plus the election administrator examine every machine for accuracy. Once checked, the voting machines are locked in a room and there are two locks on the door. One key is with the Election Administrator and the other is kept by the Sheriff.
(See the problem with the two men who changed a machine? They can’t get a county machine to change – the machines are locked up.)
On election day, the room with machines is unlocked and the Sheriff’s deputies take the machines to each polling place. Before they are put into service, the Election Judge of one party and the Alternate Judge of the other party, check that each machine is set at 0 before used.
4. What happens at the end of election day?
Both the Election Judge and Alternate Judge remove the disks from the voting machines or from whatever method they are using, and they take the disks/other methods, with a deputy's car behind their car, and deliver the disks to the Central Counting Station. I wrote the part of a law that determines who is in the Central Counting Station in every county in Texas.
@Victoria33 thank you for this information. You are obviously more knowledgeable than most on election processes and laws.
Many safeguards are in place, but a problem still exists for mail-in ballots. Reports in the past of mail "lost" and later found in back of people's cars, locked in closets, etc. Who knows how many ballots are destroyed. All methods to ensure a political party's win. I don't see any way to avoid this. Tampering with the U.S. mail is a felony, but it still doesn't prevent it from happening.
You have enlightened me as to the safeguards in TX, but if we look at the mid term election in FL, obvious fraud took place when the Supervisor of Elections either lost or destroyed ballots. She was in that capacity for 15 years.
IMHO the potential for mail in ballots to be either lost or destroyed is even greater.
https://www.vox.com/2018/11/19/18102781/brenda-snipes-broward-county-resignation-2018-elections (https://www.vox.com/2018/11/19/18102781/brenda-snipes-broward-county-resignation-2018-elections)
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@Victoria33
We've had a few elections where the voting machines mysteriously malfunctioned and could not be used. I believe there has to be a supply of paper ballots on hand in the event the machines don't work or if there is a power failure. But once where I used to vote, when the machines coughed and died, there were no paper ballots. People were told to come back later. I wasn't working that day and at the time the polling place was across the street from my house, so no problem for me to come back later. But I expect those who had to go to work or just could not return later didn't get to vote that day.
I can't say whether these malfunctions were just one of those things or someone deliberately tampered with the machines. However, Trump is railing about mail-in ballots -- the possibility of corruption and things going wrong. But in-person voting has its problems and the potential for fraud as well.
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@Victoria33
We've had a few elections where the voting machines mysteriously malfunctioned and could not be used. I believe there has to be a supply of paper ballots on hand in the event the machines don't work or if there is a power failure. But once where I used to vote, when the machines coughed and died, there were no paper ballots. People were told to come back later. I wasn't working that day and at the time the polling place was across the street from my house, so no problem for me to come back later. But I expect those who had to go to work or just could not return later didn't get to vote that day.
I can't say whether these malfunctions were just one of those things or someone deliberately tampered with the machines. However, Trump is railing about mail-in ballots -- the possibility of corruption and things going wrong. But in-person voting has its problems and the potential for fraud as well.
@libertybele
@Applewood
ABOUT HAVING ENOUGH BALLOTS
Here is how "more ballots" get to a polling place when there are no more ballots:
Plus, here is another way valid ballots can be proved to be valid ones:
An Election Judge does this:
He/she signs the back of every ballot. A ballot without his/her signature is not valid and is rejected - that takes care of a person who manages to sneak ballots into an election. I have not heard of such happening in modern times - however, a ballot without the Judge's signature on the back gets thrown out.
Ballots are different from one voting precinct to another. One precinct will be voting for a County Commissioner in that precinct. and another precinct will have a different group of candidates for their County Commissioner. It is also different from precinct to precinct for Constables running for election. There should be extra ballots for each precinct. I won't go into how to determine how many ballots to order for a precinct, but there is a way to do that.
So, we are at a precinct using paper ballots and we are out and there are no more paper ballots available for that precinct. Remember the Judge and his/her signature on the back of every paper ballot? Any kind of paper will do - the candidates are written on the paper and a voter marks which ones he/she wants - then the JUDGE SIGNS THAT PIECE OF PAPER ON THE BACK AND IT BECOMES A VALID BALLOT. Ballots like that are hand counted by the "Resolution Committee" in Central Counting.
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@Victoria33
We've had a few elections where the voting machines mysteriously malfunctioned and could not be used.
@Applewood
If a machine malfunctions, and it does happen, that machine is taken out of service and not used again that day. If a voter was voting when it happened, that voter votes on another machine. The disk from that machine is checked once it gets to Central Counting and the good numbers are taken off it. The machine itself, of course, is not used again until the machine company sends a technician to fix it.
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Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
In an illegal late night coup, Nevada’s clubhouse Governor made it impossible for Republicans to win the state. Post Office could never handle the Traffic of Mail-In Votes without preparation. Using Covid to steal the state. See you in Court!
Ronna McDaniel
@GOPChairwoman
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@realDonaldTrump’s supporters are out in force today protesting Nevada Dems’ attempts to ram through mass mail-in voting & ballot harvesting.
Dems want to use the pandemic to destroy election integrity.
Help us fight back and http://ProtectTheVote.com (http://ProtectTheVote.com)!
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1290250416278532096 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1290250416278532096)
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He keeps using that word "coup" when it's not appropriate. Aa coup would be an effort to overthrow a sitting president, The use of mail-in ballots is not a coup. Maybe it's not right to give everyone a mail-in ballot, maybe it's illegal, but it's not a coup.
I've been told that while Pennsylvania has no plans to give everyone a mail-in ballot even if they don't apply for one, the state will likely approve any application for a mail-in ballot. I don't blame anyone for not wanting to be in a possibly small room with a bunch of strangers.
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@Liberty
@Applewood
An article said: "In an illegal late night coup, Nevada’s clubhouse Governor made it impossible for Republicans to win the state. Post Office could never handle the Traffic of Mail-In Votes without preparation. Using Covid to steal the state. See you in Court!"
LEGAL WAYS FOR MAIL BALLOTS TO BE RETURNED TO THE COURTHOUSE/ELECTION CENTER
The US Post Office is not the only way to get a mail ballot to the Election Center at the Courthouse.
1. The voter may personally deliver the voter's ballot to the Courthouse. A voter may only take his/her ballot, not another person's ballot. The clerk receiving the ballot at the courthouse, checks the person's identity before taking the ballot.
2. Registered mail carriers other than US Postal Service (USPS), may also be used to send a mail ballot to the County Courthouse Office. These are FedEx and UPS.
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If the vast majority of ballots are cast by mail we won't know the outcome of the election for months...
That will be a disaster all by itself.
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He keeps using that word "coup" when it's not appropriate. Aa coup would be an effort to overthrow a sitting president, The use of mail-in ballots is not a coup. Maybe it's not right to give everyone a mail-in ballot, maybe it's illegal, but it's not a coup. I've been told that while Pennsylvania has no plans to give everyone a mail-in ballot even if they don't apply for one, the state will likely approve any application for a mail-in ballot. I don't blame anyone for not wanting to be in a possibly small room with a bunch of strangers.
@Applewood
@everyone else
1. A voter may write a letter to ask for a mail ballot. Certain information has to be there or a ballot will not be sent. Voter must sign the letter, voter address has to be there, number on voter card must be there, reason for wanting mail ballot has to be there unless that state uses all mail voting, no in person voting.
2. This is what usually happens:
Candidates sometime send an application for a mail ballot to every older person who automatically qualifies to send a mail ballot (in most states). This application sent by a candidate, must have a place for the voter to record the required information. Voter fills it out, sends it in and gets a mail ballot.
STORY:
When working in politics, I got a state candidate sent application for a mail ballot. It didn't have all the required information on it and not enough spaces for the voter to place required information. These would all be rejected, voter would not get the mail ballot. Since the candidate was a state candidate, every older person in the whole state would get this faulty application.
I phoned the woman lawyer who ran our state elections at the State Secretary of State's office and told her of the mass of faulty applications going to voters. She called every county in Texas, 254, to tell the Director of Elections in these counties to look for these faulty applications coming in and send a real application to these voters. Also, when an application comes in for a ballot to be sent, that name is checked to see if that person is a qualified voter
in that county. No ballot is sent if the person is not a qualified voter for that county.
For people on this forum who are older people - you will likely get these mail applications from candidates.
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@Victoria33
Thank you yet again for your valuable information and insight into the voting process.
Yesterday, I talked to my 88-year-old aunt to tell her that I was approved for a mail-in ballot and asked if she wanted me to apply for her. She told me she has been getting mail-in ballots for the last several years, the last one being for the primary this year. She said she never applied for mail-in ballots, but I suspect what happened is -- she sees her state representative frequently for a number of things, including filing her income taxes. So I believe her state representative signed her up to receive a mail-in ballot every year. If I'm right, I'm glad her rep did that for her because going to the polls to vote is harder for her than it is for me --even when there was no COVID.
One last thing about the malfunctioning voting machines - the ones I mentioned in my story were the old fashioned ones -- the kind with the little levers on them and two really big levers if you wanted to vote a straight ticket. I imagine those machines went back to the beginning of the 20th century. No wonder they broke down! Pennsylvania, true to form, didn't advance to the modern digital age for voting machines until several years ago and I suspect only because those old machines couldn't be repaired. Probably couldn't find parts for them anymore. LOL
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http://www.facebook.com/dan.bongino/videos/290697682207509/?v=290697682207509 (http://www.facebook.com/dan.bongino/videos/290697682207509/?v=290697682207509)
Dan Bongino says Dems are concerned with Biden's deteriorating mind.
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If the vast majority of ballots are cast by mail we won't know the outcome of the election for months...
That will be a disaster all by itself.
So instead of blowing money on massive pork as both parties want to do in this "stimulus" bill they can't agree on, how about maybe spending more on people to count the ballots or machines to count the ballots -- whatever it takes to get the counting done?
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http://www.facebook.com/dan.bongino/videos/290697682207509/?v=290697682207509 (http://www.facebook.com/dan.bongino/videos/290697682207509/?v=290697682207509)
Dan Bongino says Dems are concerned with Biden's deteriorating mind.
Yes, of course they are. They can't have his EEG totally flatline before they can use him as a stalking horse for whoever they really want in office.
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So instead of blowing money on massive pork as both parties want to do in this "stimulus" bill they can't agree on, how about maybe spending more on people to count the ballots or machines to count the ballots -- whatever it takes to get the counting done?
Or ... the vast majority of us can vote in person and show an ID card.
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So instead of blowing money on massive pork as both parties want to do in this "stimulus" bill they can't agree on, how about maybe spending more on people to count the ballots or machines to count the ballots -- whatever it takes to get the counting done?
Examine your premises. What makes you think the bureaucrats want the votes counted quickly and accurately?
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EJ 🇺🇸 â›³ï¸ shared
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Trump signs order banning federal agencies from firing U.S. citizens to replace them with foreigners
The order challenges federal contractors’ use of H-1B visas to bring in temporary foreign labor for high-skilled jobs...
Read more at Twitter
Too bad that;s not retroactive to 2018...I'd make a bundle.
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When you have to take action for 350 million people, you are not able to do precision legislation, unfortunately, it is similar to a huge bomb going off.
People not "included" complain because they were left out, those that are included abuse the system, so in reality, the out of control spending legislation is on us as much as anyone.
We demand open/closed borders, free money/lower taxes, our name in lights/yet complain about doxing...
I would not run for office for anyone's money..
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@LegalAmerican
THAT right there is all the reason any sane America needs to convince them to vote for Trump!
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@LegalAmerican
THAT right there is all the reason any sane America needs to convince them to vote for Trump!
Yes. People need to go for POLICY....not PURITY in Human Beings. This CEO paid 8 million dollars for his 'job'. POTUS fixing it.
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So instead of blowing money on massive pork as both parties want to do in this "stimulus" bill they can't agree on, how about maybe spending more on people to count the ballots or machines to count the ballots -- whatever it takes to get the counting done?
@Applewood
Mail ballots are not counted by hand. They go in machines to be counted.
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Rule #9. Trump and thinking are NEVER to be mentioned in the same sentence!!!
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@Applewood
Mail ballots are not counted by hand. They go in machines to be counted.
Ideally.
When you get right down to it, enough market research has been done (and likely combined with GIS data) to identify what neighborhoods vote which way, which are most likely to have gun owners, how many bathrooms on average and stalls in the garage. Building permit data reveals who hasn't had a bathroom upgrade, kitchen remodel, or a new roof and how long it has been since the last one. How hard would it be to know what 'hoods, what zip codes, it would be beneficial to have underrepresented?
I'm not casting aspersions upon anything you are connected with directly, just saying that a tremendous amount of money has been poured into coup attempts already, and this sort of organization and research is not beyond anyone with the determination, money, and motive to carry it out.
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I think Trump was thinking out loud which means he wasn't thinking when he made the Tweet.
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Rule #9. Trump and thinking are NEVER to be mentioned in the same sentence!!!
OH PLEASE. The TRUMP ENVY IS JUST DRIPPING OFF YOUR POST. Many males have your envy. YOU are not a billionaire. YOU are not POTUS and never will be. YOU do not have an ABSOLUM TOWER. YOU are not married to a high fashion model who is gorgeous. I doubt you own a MAR A LAGO. YOU have not received awards and accolades by ELLIS ISLAND, or Jessie Jackson. I doubt you have gorgeous & successful children as POTUS does. NONE OF THEM SMOKE, DO DRUGS, DRINK ALCOHOL, and neither does POTUS. POTUS DOES NOT EVEN DRINK COFFEE. He is more wholesome than you are. Did you ever have hostages released from foreign country's? POTUS HAS. POTUS works 100 hour weeks, sleeps 4 hours, gets lied about & slandered 24/7 and does it all for ZERO PAY! WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM) ( Oh, and he is a good lover, as said by women. He does everything well, why not great at that too?)
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Many males have your envy.
YOU are not a billionaire.
So what? Where I am from wealth is measured in health, friends, and family... Money don't mean sh*t to me.
YOU are not POTUS and never will be.
Again, so what? IS that to be envied somehow? I wouldn't take that job for nothing. It is enough for me that I have captained my own ship since I was 18 years old.... I been rich, and I been poor. And I been happy in both conditions.
YOU do not have an ABSOLUM TOWER.
What is your fixation with THINGS? Who the hell would want such a thing, in the middle of a sh*thole city? Good God, but I would not want that. You couldn't give me that crap.
YOU are not married to a high fashion model who is gorgeous.
Meh. not my kind. Too high maintenance, and she sure as hell ain't going to be happy to be up in the holler. I wouldn't have her. The kind of woman that WOULD be happy up in the holler is the kind for me. And believe me, there are some damn fine hilljillies up there in the sticks. And any one of them can kick her ass and give you change.
I doubt you own a MAR A LAGO.
Again, wouldn't want it.
YOU have not received awards and accolades by ELLIS ISLAND, or Jessie Jackson.
The only paper on the wall that means anything to me is over in the outhouse, so...
I doubt you have gorgeous & successful children as POTUS does. NONE OF THEM SMOKE, DO DRUGS, DRINK ALCOHOL, and neither does POTUS.
As a matter of fact yes I do... Other than the alcohol part, which doesn't matter, as none are alcoholic. None do drugs, and never have.
POTUS DOES NOT EVEN DRINK COFFEE. He is more wholesome than you are.
Wholesomeness is defined by whether one drinks alcohol or coffee? Are you kidding me? Not around here it ain't. And if I have a beer or some shine now and then, hell even if I kick up my heels a bit at a shindig somewhere, what the hell does that have to do with the measure of a man? That I do no HARM in it is all that matters. The rest is no business of yours. And so what if I drink coffee?
Did you ever have hostages released from foreign country's? POTUS HAS.
Nope. But I have defended my share of fair maidens... Have held out my hand to help folks up, have done right by folks that needed it. Which is the same damn thing.
POTUS works 100 hour weeks, sleeps 4 hours,
Sp he's a lightweight. S'alright I won't hold it against him. No really - ANYONE who has their own business burns the candle at both ends. It's how it works. It is not admirable, but merely expected.
gets lied about & slandered 24/7
He reaps what he sows.
and does it all for ZERO PAY!
HAHAHAHA! Oh he's getting paid alright. Just because he ain't picking up his gubmint check don't mean he ain't getting paid.
( Oh, and he is a good lover, as said by women. He does everything well, why not great at that too?)
Never had a complaint myself in that regard.
You threw this same bullcrap on me before. I told you then, and I meant it: There ain't a damn thing I want that he has. I abhor his lifestyle. I can't stand cities and pompous mansions, or tennis courts and fancy balls. Good lord, but I shudder at the thought of living that way in a sh*thole city. I find fault in a man that needs all that, and consider it weakness. So why would you accuse me of envy of that which I abhor? 1000 dollar suits? The guy is a dumass for spending that kind of money on something I wouldn't use if you gave it to me. Might as well cut it up for shop rags.
So don't impose your shallow measure of a man on others. you have no idea what you are talking about.
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So what? Where I am from wealth is measured in health, friends, and family... Money don't mean sh*t to me.
Again, so what? IS that to be envied somehow? I wouldn't take that job for nothing. It is enough for me that I have captained my own ship since I was 18 years old.... I been rich, and I been poor. And I been happy in both conditions.
What is your fixation with THINGS? Who the hell would want such a thing, in the middle of a sh*thole city? Good God, but I would not want that. You couldn't give me that crap.
Meh. not my kind. Too high maintenance, and she sure as hell ain't going to be happy to be up in the holler. I wouldn't have her. The kind of woman that WOULD be happy up in the holler is the kind for me.
Again, wouldn't want it.
The only paper on the wall that means anything to me is over in the outhouse, so...
As a matter of fact yes I do... Other than the alcohol part, which doesn't matter, as none are alcoholic. None do drugs, and never have.
Wholesomeness is defined by whether one drinks alcohol or coffee? Are you kidding me? Not around here it ain't. And if I have a beer or some shine now and then, hell even if I kick up my heels a bit at a shindig somewhere, what the hell does that have to do with the measure of a man? That I do no HARM in it is all that matters. The rest is no business of yours. And so what if I drink coffee?
Nope. But I have defended my share of fair maidens... Have held out my hand to help folks up, have done right by folks that needed it. Which is the same damn thing.
Sp he's a lightweight. S'alright I won't hold it against him. No really - ANYONE who has their own business burns the candle at both ends. It's how it works. It is not admirable, but merely expected.
He reaps what he sows.
HAHAHAHA! Oh he's getting paid alright. Just because he ain't picking up his gubmint check don't mean he ain't getting paid.
Never had a complaint myself in that regard.
You threw this same bullcrap on me before. I told you then, and I meant it: There ain't a damn thing I want that he has. I abhor his lifestyle. I can't stand cities and pompous mansions, or tennis courts and fancy balls. Good lord, but I shudder at the thought of living that way in a sh*thole city. I find fault in a man that needs all that, and consider it weakness. So why would you accuse me of envy of that which I abhor? 1000 dollar suits? The guy is a dumass for spending that kind of money on something I wouldn't use if you gave it to me. Might as well cut it up for shop rags.
So don't impose your shallow measure of a man on others. you have no idea what you are talking about.
Funny how some folks' idea of "success" would be pure Hell for some of us. Even funnier that they would be as miserable in our shoes as we'd be in theirs. :shrug:
Money is a tool, not an end, and while enough is nice, ridiculous amounts likely wouldn't do a heck of a lot of good. I don't drink, smoke, (although I like a bit of smokeless tobacco from time to time), love coffee, but seldom take so much as an aspirin otherwise. I don't want a building named after me, a statue in the park, or to be POTUS with all the hassle involved. That much power involves equal temptation to abuse it, and with the increase in the number of folks out there I'd admittedly be content to slap, It'd be a sore temptation, indeed.
Better to live a humble life and be at peace with myself, my family, my friends, and my God.
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Funny how some folks' idea of "success" would be pure Hell for some of us. Even funnier that they would be as miserable in our shoes as we'd be in theirs. :shrug:
Money is a tool, not an end, and while enough is nice, ridiculous amounts likely wouldn't do a heck of a lot of good. I don't drink, smoke, (although I like a bit of smokeless tobacco from time to time), love coffee, but seldom take so much as an aspirin otherwise. I don't want a building named after me, a statue in the park, or to be POTUS with all the hassle involved. That much power involves equal temptation to abuse it, and with the increase in the number of folks out there I'd admittedly be content to slap, It'd be a sore temptation, indeed.
Better to live a humble life and be at peace with myself, my family, my friends, and my God.
That's just about right. I ain't made for power. I know, as I have been there. All I got was a fat head. Money? Been both ways, with it and without it... makes no real nevermind. I can be happy as a dog on the porch living out of a school bus back up in the sticks, and wanting for nothing. I guess that's where the perspective is different - When a man has liberty, he can make do about anywhere and be alright.,, So all that pomp and circumstance comes of little value.
That's a thing for a speculation exercise... A little navel gazing... If you walked out on the porch tomorrow morning and tripped over a million bucks in gold bricks, what would change in your life?
Me, if I had all that, I might have a nicer truck... maybe a 4 wheeler or a side-by-side... maybe a bitchin jeep for banging around on the backroads... I might could buy the rest of that land up in the holler... I'd have a hella fine shop outfitted I suppose... But it really wouldn't change all that much.
Heck, the most of it would be sitting on the shelf, waiting on the grand kids, I suppose.
And that says something I think. What you are at your core, should not be amenable to change. And that mere money would do little says I am pretty well where I am supposed to be,
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@Applewood
Mail ballots are not counted by hand. They go in machines to be counted.
@Victoria33
So then how would there be an inordinate delay in counting the votes and declaring a winner if the ballots are mail-in?
This is all baloney. By fighting mail-in voting, Trump seeks to deny a segment of the population the right to vote. And it won't just be the old, sick or disabled either. Plenty of younger and healthier people don't relish being in a room with strangers who could potentially infect them. Ans if he thinks most of them would be Democrat voters. he's wrong.
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That's just about right. I ain't made for power. I know, as I have been there. All I got was a fat head. Money? Been both ways, with it and without it... makes no real nevermind. I can be happy as a dog on the porch living out of a school bus back up in the sticks, and wanting for nothing. I guess that's where the perspective is different - When a man has liberty, he can make do about anywhere and be alright.,, So all that pomp and circumstance comes of little value.
Oh, I wouldn't mind not having to scrounge so much here and there for materials, but I get by. It's a challenge, and the Mrs. is a wicked good horse trader, so I picked up a couple of pointers. It's what you value, I guess.
That's a thing for a speculation exercise... A little navel gazing... If you walked out on the porch tomorrow morning and tripped over a million bucks in gold bricks, what would change in your life?
Well, I'd likely wax less than poetic about stubbing my toe, and then I'd have to move that heavy stuff so I wouldn't do that again. I would be relieved of worry about small things, but have to worry about getting ripped off if anyone found out about it. Some stuff would be a mite nicer (mostly for Mrs. Joe who is pretty easy going), I admit, and I think I'd find an old Rolls Royce to graft on a good Power Wagon chassis...well, you get the idea, but it'd be fun to go back East and visit in a ride like that.
I'd be further out in the weeds, with a couple of shops, well set up, and I know where there is a machine shop set up to run off DC, off grid. I think I'd lean that way and try to pick it up as it hasn't been used in years and would need to be refurbished. I'd just have more room to do the sort of things I'd like to do, year round.
Me, if I had all that, I might have a nicer truck... maybe a 4 wheeler or a side-by-side... maybe a bitchin jeep for banging around on the backroads... I might could buy the rest of that land up in the holler... I'd have a hella fine shop outfitted I suppose... But it really wouldn't change all that much.
yep
Heck, the most of it would be sitting on the shelf, waiting on the grand kids, I suppose.
A distinct possibility, I admit, but I have enough projects scattered around that they'd be challenged, and at least one would rise to that, mebbe two or three. I'd likely invest some of that in seeing that if they had a passion, they could pursue that technical or even STEM education. No money for 'studies' programming.
And that says something I think. What you are at your core, should not be amenable to change. And that mere money would do little says I am pretty well where I am supposed to be,
Not too far off. About all it would do is add a touch of security to all that, a little insulation from disaster. I'd probably not dress any different, and my daily driver might have a couple touch-ups, but I'm happy with vehicles I know where they begin and end and what they will do. So, aside from the projects I have, and the ability to do those better, quicker with better tools, I don't see much changing.
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and I think I'd find an old Rolls Royce to graft on a good Power Wagon chassis...well, you get the idea, but it'd be fun to go back East and visit in a ride like that.
HAHAHAHA! Up on at least 37s with a big blue bowtie on the front just to piss em off
:silly: :silly: :silly:
I'd be further out in the weeds, with a couple of shops, well set up, and I know where there is a machine shop set up to run off DC, off grid. I think I'd lean that way and try to pick it up as it hasn't been used in years and would need to be refurbished. I'd just have more room to do the sort of things I'd like to do, year round.
Funny how you and me think a lot the same. Always saw myself retiring to a cabin way out on the end of a two-track with a nice water driven woodshop to make truly beautiful one off furniture... You know the sort of shop, with a waterwheel connected to a mainshaft and a couple jack shafts, and the whole place belt-driven....
Winding up pretty close to that if everything rubs out alright... The water ain't set right for a waterwheel... But it is set up with a nice year round waterfall... A couple big pipes, a couple turbines, and I will have reliable 220 at my disposal... Gotta see it in the winter though... to see where it don't freeze up... But there's about 70ft of drop that will keep at least a couple 6" pipes full without harming the rest... which means I will have indoor plumbing with pressure, as well as 110/220.
Got an old cellular microwave setup and a good line-of-sight to a buddy's place with broadband. Maybe not as good as here, but for way back up in the holler, I'll have something way better than DSL... Where even the ground lines don't go... And enough to run a WIFI tower up for my neighbors to use... There's already a HAM repeater tower nearby that I might could use, and who knows, I may even be able to tie it into actual cellular too for folks to use... That is a fun project to figure out.
Better than I would have wished for... Got a place at the bottom of the mountain for parking my gear in the winter - Gotta use a cat to get home from there... That's on the pavement and gets plowed by the county... But there's room enough for my garage there, maybe even a shop, which might be better for business...
And half of it is for a chapel, which them folks don't have close to hand... I ain't made that way, but the Father put it on my heart as a payback for what he is doing for me. I got knots in my belly already for that first sermon, and it's still at least a year off...
But it's a likely place - with the same creek as mine wandering right behind it... A nice lace to park out for weddings and shindigs and such... Enough room for a daycare and a bit of a school where folks can bring in teachers for augmenting homeschooling... Kinda like the old grange halls, you know... and a place to put up some ponies (which is how them kids will come down). I think it's all going to work right out.
Funny how things work out, ain't it? So if you want to come see me, all you have to do is go up in the holler and ask for the preacher. That'll be me, I guess... :shrug: :whistle:
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@roamer_1 The shop I'd try to get was set up to run on leyden jar batteries, off mostly wind power. IIRC, the owner had a drip type waste oil heater to keep the chill off. Given the means, I'd dig the whole works in like a dugout in a sidehill, use small windmills to keep the batteries up, and the heater to keep the frost out in the winter. Everything was set up to run on DC, including a couple pretty substantial lathes. Yep, I'd have a little learning to do, and I have a couple of ideas I'd like to experiment with...but who knows where something like that could lead. :shrug:
I'd also make room to (or have another shop for) wood and vehicle work, a place to paint things, etc. I barely have room to tear down a motorcycle engine now. (The Mrs. won't let me use the coffee table, for some reason, well, not again.)
But that's what I'd invest in, room/tools to do things, and out of town further. I lack your electronics skills, but have a grandson whose interests lean that way. He's building a computer now for gaming, and we'll see when he gets that set up. (When he gets his wifi working, I can coil up the armored CAT5 stretched through the house....) In the meantime, a fellow can dream, and there isn't any harm in that as a goal, as long as I don't make it an obsession. Making it happen, well, that depends on the resources I can muster, but the Mrs. doesn't want to go too far, because of all the family here, and I'm good with that.
But yeah, the Rolls would be fun...
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I barely have room to tear down a motorcycle engine now. (The Mrs. won't let me use the coffee table, for some reason, well, not again.)
LOL! Yeah... That sounds familiar. :silly: :beer:
I thought a long time about power. Wind ain't enough up in here. But water... now that's constant. I am building my whole play around that waterfall.
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Ideally.
When you get right down to it, enough market research has been done (and likely combined with GIS data) to identify what neighborhoods vote which way, which are most likely to have gun owners, how many bathrooms on average and stalls in the garage. Building permit data reveals who hasn't had a bathroom upgrade, kitchen remodel, or a new roof and how long it has been since the last one. How hard would it be to know what 'hoods, what zip codes, it would be beneficial to have underrepresented?
I'm not casting aspersions upon anything you are connected with directly, just saying that a tremendous amount of money has been poured into coup attempts already, and this sort of organization and research is not beyond anyone with the determination, money, and motive to carry it out.
You are exactly correct. When I worked on Gov. Clements campaign here in Texas, we knew exactly what areas to target. A research co. had put the information together and we had lists of specific areas that would guarantee a win. It worked brilliantly.
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You are exactly correct. When I worked on Gov. Clements campaign here in Texas, we knew exactly what areas to target. A research co. had put the information together and we had lists of specific areas that would guarantee a win. It worked brilliantly.
Baselice & Associates (http://www.baselice.com/)
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You are exactly correct. When I worked on Gov. Clements campaign here in Texas, we knew exactly what areas to target. A research co. had put the information together and we had lists of specific areas that would guarantee a win. It worked brilliantly.
@mrpotatohead
@Cyber Liberty
@mystery-ak
@libertybele
@DB
@Gefn
@rangerrebew
@Smokin Joe
@roamer_1
Potato, the above you wrote, is one part of the work I did when working in politics; I did this freely, did not charge anyone for my work. When it was campaign season, I worked almost every day holding workshops and working with voter lists until the election was over. The best company that did election research for campaigns was in Austin, Texas. I went to hear this man give a talk and then knew how to evaluate our county and other counties as to how many would likely vote Democrat and how many Republicans would likely vote and where in the county they lived.
Then, I did it for my county and sent him the info., asking him if I did it right. He said said I did and ask if he could keep the info. to include it in his work. Of course he could. I did this for 16 years and am glad the voter list work is over.
Every county has a master voting list. When I began this work, I had to pay the County Clerk for a copy of our voter list; it was on a disk. As I got more involved in working with voter lists, one year, three Republican attorneys were running for judgeships in state appeals' courts which consisted of more than one county in each different appeals' court district.
A friend who was on the State Republican Executive Committee, told them to contact me about voter lists - they did. I bought voter lists for all counties in these different appeals' districts and the attorneys repaid me. One thing I did with the lists is to put the voter lists together by families so the lawyer candidates could send one envelope and/or one advertisement bulletin of campaign material to the family rather than a piece for every person in the family - this saved the candidates a large amount of money.
As time went on and electronics improved, the Party became the owner of voter lists across the state. I had a code that gave me access to all county lists - no more having to pay for discs from each county. Then electronics got even better, and the National Republican Committee had every voter list in the US. Once again, there was a code to get to these lists. From the State Party lists and the Republican National Committee lists, you had to know how to work with Excel and Access to manipulate these lists.
One point is, there is organization for each party. Unless you are in it, you don't know it is there. You can go to each of your state party's website (both Democrat Party and Republican Party) and read the history of each state party in that state.
Here is one historical truth about the Texas Republican Party:
"The second GOP Texas Republican Chairman, was Norris Wright Cuney, an African-American from Galveston who led the Texas Republican Party from 1883 to 1897, is said by State historians to have held 'the most important political position given to a black man of the South in the nineteenth century.'â€
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OH PLEASE. The TRUMP ENVY IS JUST DRIPPING OFF YOUR POST. Many males have your envy. YOU are not a billionaire. YOU are not POTUS and never will be. YOU do not have an ABSOLUM TOWER. YOU are not married to a high fashion model who is gorgeous. I doubt you own a MAR A LAGO. YOU have not received awards and accolades by ELLIS ISLAND, or Jessie Jackson. I doubt you have gorgeous & successful children as POTUS does. NONE OF THEM SMOKE, DO DRUGS, DRINK ALCOHOL, and neither does POTUS. POTUS DOES NOT EVEN DRINK COFFEE. He is more wholesome than you are. Did you ever have hostages released from foreign country's? POTUS HAS. POTUS works 100 hour weeks, sleeps 4 hours, gets lied about & slandered 24/7 and does it all for ZERO PAY! WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM) ( Oh, and he is a good lover, as said by women. He does everything well, why not great at that too?)
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Hmm..........since he'll be done in about 90 days,
you could give him a ring. Just a thought!
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Hmm..........since he'll be done in about 90 days,
you could give him a ring. Just a thought!
We all know you are rooting for Biden, so knock off the bullshit and just say so. Get honest! The truth shall set you free! Is that too much to ask? Or should I just kick back and let you insult the intelligence of our good Members?
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Funny how some folks' idea of "success" would be pure Hell for some of us. Even funnier that they would be as miserable in our shoes as we'd be in theirs. :shrug:
Money is a tool, not an end, and while enough is nice, ridiculous amounts likely wouldn't do a heck of a lot of good. I don't drink, smoke, (although I like a bit of smokeless tobacco from time to time), love coffee, but seldom take so much as an aspirin otherwise. I don't want a building named after me, a statue in the park, or to be POTUS with all the hassle involved. That much power involves equal temptation to abuse it, and with the increase in the number of folks out there I'd admittedly be content to slap, It'd be a sore temptation, indeed.
Better to live a humble life and be at peace with myself, my family, my friends, and my God.
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Smokin, a serious reflection.
Man's earliest structured culture/society arose in Sumer (Mesopotamia) almost years 6,000 past, headed by a Monarch, the norm of rule across the globe till the eve of the Great War.
Many successive cultures continued to improve Man's condition by the application
of creative ideas to daily life; among them the rules of Agriculture, the discovery of
the elements of Nature as a means of improving Man health thereby extending his life
and the application of the order of Mathematics enabling him to construct bridges,
roads and tunnels, as well as structures, extending his reach/vision.
As Plato knew, a spiritual awareness was required for creativity to flourish, yet none
of our forebears were motivated by riches, as history attests.
Yet what about us who proclaim our greatness, daily. What proof is offered supporting this???
Why it's the testament of the 'fat wallet', doncha know!
I raise this, not as an argument, but rather because I sense a sea change in attitude is
bubbling below the surface and playing a role in the sturm und drang that plagues us
for a lot longer that we realize/understand.
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We all know you are rooting for Biden, so knock off the bullshit and just say so. Get honest! The truth shall set you free! Is that too much to ask? Or should I just kick back and let you insult the intelligence of our good Members?
Oh, c'mon, how do you know @Absalom is a Biden supporter? Not everyone who won't vote for Trump is a liberal Democrat, ya know.
And this Legal American? How do you know this member is a real person? Always sounds to me like a bot -- spewing conspiracy theories and propaganda about Trump. He works 100 hours a week? I doubt it. In any event there is no proof of that or 99% of what "it" says.
Absalom and other "Never Trumpers" get nothing but chit from the Trump supporters because they don't fall to their knees and worship almighty Trump. I thought we were all allowed to express diverse political views here. But if Trump supporters would have their way, those of us who are not Trump fans would be purged. They want a Trump worship site like Free Republic, from which some of us fled. If that's where this site is headed, then sayonara.
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Oh, c'mon, how do you know @Absalom is a Biden supporter? Not everyone who won't vote for Trump is a liberal Democrat, ya know.
And this Legal American? How do you know this member is a real person? Always sounds to me like a bot -- spewing conspiracy theories and propaganda about Trump. He works 100 hours a week? I doubt it. In any event there is no proof of that or 99% of what "it" says.
Absalom and other "Never Trumpers" get nothing but chit from the Trump supporters because they don't fall to their knees and worship almighty Trump. I thought we were all allowed to express diverse political views here. But if Trump supporters would have their way, those of us who are not Trump fans would be purged. They want a Trump worship site like Free Republic, from which some of us fled. If that's where this site is headed, then sayonara.
I don't want that, because the boss doesn't. And I don't either. But I draw the line when I start seeing personal attacks on Members, calling them stupid. I hope you can see it my way on this.
ETA: Please feel free to click "Report to moderator" when you see something that is so bad you want to leave. We act on those.
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We all know you are rooting for Biden, so knock off the bullshit and just say so. Get honest! The truth shall set you free! Is that too much to ask? Or should I just kick back and let you insult the intelligence of our good Members?
That ain't right. If Tumpy loses this year, I will laugh my ass off. That does not mean I want a Biden ascendancy. Believe it or not, two things can be true at the same time.
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That ain't right. If Tumpy loses this year, I will laugh my ass off. That does not mean I want a Biden ascendancy. Believe it or not, two things can be true at the same time.
Sure, as always. As I said somewhere, I have a line I need to draw, when Members start being called stupid. :shrug:
There are a couple of folks here who have never stopped actively rooting for Biteme, for a reason no greater than to be able to say "I told you so!" I was addressing one of them.
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Sure, as always. As I said somewhere, I have a line I need to draw, when Members start being called stupid. :shrug:
There are a couple of folks here who have never stopped actively rooting for Biteme, for a reason no greater than to be able to say "I told you so!" I was addressing one of them.
I want Biden to win. I want the police disbanded. I want the full Congress to go full Dem. I want voter fraud. I want foreign influence in our elections to be made clear. I want ALL of the things the libs want and more.
BTW. Petco has curbside service.
What ever.
Conspiritual: The belief of rejecting the lies of the mass through logical interpretations of the truth and sees the world in a larger more connected state of spirituality.
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Sure, as always. As I said somewhere, I have a line I need to draw, when Members start being called stupid. :shrug:
There are a couple of folks here who have never stopped actively rooting for Biteme, for a reason no greater than to be able to say "I told you so!" I was addressing one of them.
That would be a surprise to me. I usually read @Absalom rather closely... I have never seen him express support for any liberal of any stripe. :shrug:
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That would be a surprise to me. I usually read @Absalom rather closely... I have never seen him express support for any liberal of any stripe. :shrug:
I read him closely too. I have to use my own eye for that....
I think he's brilliant, really. The history he knows is astounding.
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I read him closely too. I have to use my own eye for that....
I think he's brilliant, really. The history he knows is astounding.
I agree! the problem seems to be in applying that knowledge to the here and now. JMHO.
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I agree! the problem seems to be in applying that knowledge to the here and now. JMHO.
It's a common problem. A few years in the Worlde Realle usually cures that.
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That ain't right. If Tumpy loses this year, I will laugh my ass off. That does not mean I want a Biden ascendancy. Believe it or not, two things can be true at the same time.
I"ll be incredibly disheartened when/if Trump loses. I've prepared myself for it, but it won't be easy.
Biden will be a dopey ineffective President IMO, but the population that would vote for him over Trump is something we won't survive as a republic. The doomers were right IMO. Hate to be negative.
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I"ll be incredibly disheartened when/if Trump loses. I've prepared myself for it, but it won't be easy.
Biden will be a dopey ineffective President IMO, but the population that would vote for him over Trump is something we won't survive as a republic. The doomers were right IMO. Hate to be negative.
That's about where I am with it, and I have developed a low tolerance for people who root for the fall, just so they can waltz in and claim "I todya so!" They are rooting for the destruction of this Nation, for such shallow reasons.
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I still think Trump is going to win by a noticeable margin (the silent majority we always hear about) despite Trump.
This election is no longer about Trump.
It is about lawless brownshirt Democrats spreading thuggery around the country putting everyone in fear.
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It's a common problem.
:yowsa: We see it every damned day in fact
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I still think Trump is going to win by a noticeable margin (the silent majority we always hear about) despite Trump.
This election is no longer about Trump.
It is about lawless brownshirt Democrats spreading thuggery around the country putting everyone in fear.
I agree with that @DB Let's hope and pray we are right.
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That's about where I am with it, and I have developed a low tolerance for people who root for the fall, just so they can waltz in and claim "I todya so!" They are rooting for the destruction of this Nation, for such shallow reasons.
I ain't looking for "I todya so!".
I want definition.
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I"ll be incredibly disheartened when/if Trump loses. I've prepared myself for it, but it won't be easy.
Biden will be a dopey ineffective President IMO, but the population that would vote for him over Trump is something we won't survive as a republic. The doomers were right IMO. Hate to be negative.
I am not so easily disheartened... One thing that always happens when the left gets its way is a monumental backlash... by rights, we may well see it now... But then I hold both sides responsible for 'now'... and would prefer a general 'throw the bastards out' theme from end to end.
And if the Republic does not survive, then we did not deserve it anyway. If we are the ones to let it slip away, the we never really had it in the first place.
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I ain't looking for "I todya so!".
I've known that for years, @roamer_1. I was speaking of another few.
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That ain't right. If Tumpy loses this year, I will laugh my ass off. That does not mean I want a Biden ascendancy.
@roamer_1
Uh,huh. What color is the sky in this fantasy world where you live?
In the REAL world,either Trump or Biden is going to be elected. End of story.
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That's about where I am with it, and I have developed a low tolerance for people who root for the fall, just so they can waltz in and claim "I todya so!" They are rooting for the destruction of this Nation, for such shallow reasons.
@Cyber Liberty
They are doing it because personal ego gratification is more important to them than the survival of America as a free nation.
They just want to shout "TOLD YOU SO!" from the rooftops.
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I am not so easily disheartened... One thing that always happens when the left gets its way is a monumental backlash... by rights, we may well see it now... But then I hold both sides responsible for 'now'... and would prefer a general 'throw the bastards out' theme from end to end.
And if the Republic does not survive, then we did not deserve it anyway. If we are the ones to let it slip away, the we never really had it in the first place.
But then I hold both sides responsible for 'now'...
This is the key, imo.
There isn't a choice anymore. Of waiting it out. To see which side "wins".
BTW.
Petco has also lowered prices.
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@roamer_1
Uh,huh. What color is the sky in this fantasy world where you live?
In the REAL world,either Trump or Biden is going to be elected. End of story.
You're pretty optimistic.
There's probably a 50% chance Biden doesn't make it to election day...
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You're pretty optimistic.
There's probably a 50% chance Biden doesn't make to election day...
Right. But the chance of him making it to his inauguration is probably close to zero.
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He keeps using that word "coup" when it's not appropriate. Aa coup would be an effort to overthrow a sitting president, The use of mail-in ballots is not a coup. Maybe it's not right to give everyone a mail-in ballot, maybe it's illegal, but it's not a coup.
I've been told that while Pennsylvania has no plans to give everyone a mail-in ballot even if they don't apply for one, the state will likely approve any application for a mail-in ballot. I don't blame anyone for not wanting to be in a possibly small room with a bunch of strangers.
IMHO I feel an attempted coup has been going on since Trump took the oath of office. Members of the GOP (Mitch McConnell being one of them) and the DEM party vowed that he would be a one term president. The DEMS have obstructed just about every attempt Trump has made to swing this country in a more positive direction. Members of the GOP have not stood behind him. Russian collusion, impeachment, COVID, BLM/Antifa, and now mail-in voting are all attempts to take this president down.
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I"ll be incredibly disheartened when/if Trump loses. I've prepared myself for it, but it won't be easy.
Biden will be a dopey ineffective President IMO, but the population that would vote for him over Trump is something we won't survive as a republic. The doomers were right IMO. Hate to be negative.
I guess I am one of those "doomers". I definitely believe IF Trump loses, we lose our Republic. It's a simple as that. To lose our Republic will be absolutely devastating. I don't fear for myself...but I definitely fear for what my children and grandchildren are going to have to endure.
There are so many chances that the GOP just threw away and it sickens me and disgusts me. I've said it before but I believe the bulk of the responsibility lies in the hands of failed leadership; McConnell and Ryan. We had a full majority in both Houses and they absolutely failed us.
The other responsibility lies in the hands of We the People who have voted time and time again for the same RINO's, same failed leadership and for failing to hold them accountable.
The voters made a choice during the primary to elect Trump as the GOP nominee. All of us whether or not we voted for Trump in the primary have to deal with that choice. Each and every one of use has to vote our conscience.
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I guess I am one of those "doomers". I definitely believe IF Trump loses, we lose our Republic. It's a simple as that. To lose our Republic will be absolutely devastating. I don't fear for myself...but I definitely fear for what my children and grandchildren are going to have to endure.
There are so many chances that the GOP just threw away and it sickens me and disgusts me. I've said it before but I believe the bulk of the responsibility lies in the hands of failed leadership; McConnell and Ryan. We had a full majority in both Houses and they absolutely failed us.
The other responsibility lies in the hands of We the People who have voted time and time again for the same RINO's, same failed leadership and for failing to hold them accountable.
The voters made a choice during the primary to elect Trump as the GOP nominee. All of us whether or not we voted for Trump in the primary have to deal with that choice. Each and every one of use has to vote our conscience.
The Republic as founded has been gone since 1865 and even liberal historians like Shelby Foote have admitted the fact. What to call what we were left with at that point is debatable (I like Commercial Empire myself) and even that is in great jepardy of being lost forever real soon.
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I've known that for years, @roamer_1. I was speaking of another few.
That was @bigheadfred , not me @Cyber Liberty :shrug:
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But then I hold both sides responsible for 'now'...
This is the key, imo.
There isn't a choice anymore. Of waiting it out. To see which side "wins".
BTW.
Petco has also lowered prices.
YUP. Uniparty.
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@roamer_1
Uh,huh. What color is the sky in this fantasy world where you live?
In the REAL world,either Trump or Biden is going to be elected. End of story.
A distinction without a difference.
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A distinction without a difference.
You're certifiable!
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IMHO I feel an attempted coup has been going on since Trump took the oath of office. Members of the GOP (Mitch McConnell being one of them) and the DEM party vowed that he would be a one term president. The DEMS have obstructed just about every attempt Trump has made to swing this country in a more positive direction. Members of the GOP have not stood behind him. Russian collusion, impeachment, COVID, BLM/Antifa, and now mail-in voting are all attempts to take this president down.
You feel it because it’s absolutely true. The left has gone to war and there’re only a handful of figures opposing them, trump among them. He loses and it is over. The left will be off the chain.
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YUP. Uniparty.
During the Bush/Clinton/Bush era, you are correct, Uniparty, but that train has left the station.
Obama brought in clear and distinct polarization driven by severe anti American actions, i. e. "I will stand with muslims".
It is to bad that you cannot comprehend the difference.
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During the Bush/Clinton/Bush era, you are correct, Uniparty, but that train has left the station.
Obama brought in clear and distinct polarization driven by severe anti American actions, i. e. "I will stand with muslims".
It is to bad that you cannot comprehend the difference.
The thing with Hegel is that there are TWO polarizations... Maybe it's you that ain't looking far enough
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During the Bush/Clinton/Bush era, you are correct, Uniparty, but that train has left the station.
Obama brought in clear and distinct polarization driven by severe anti American actions, i. e. "I will stand with muslims".
It is to bad that you cannot comprehend the difference.
@roamer_1 .
I think you can still apply uniparty to the existing pollys in DC.
But not to the general public.
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@roamer_1 .
I think you can still apply uniparty to the existing pollys in DC.
But not to the general public.
It ain't about the general public. It's about the levers of power. Where the F is the general public going to go? Doesn't matter. Heads I win, tails you lose. Same tired old story. And n0body's waking up.
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It ain't about the general public. It's about the levers of power. Where the F is the general public going to go? Doesn't matter. Heads I win, tails you lose. Same tired old story. And n0body's waking up.
The levers of power.
Right.
The Balfour Declaration.
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You're certifiable!
Well, yeah... You guys are better at spending printing money than the Dems are... And no liberal ever got the whole damn country shut off... Or single-handedly DESTROYED small business..
That's on you pal.
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The levers of power.
Right.
The Balfour Declaration.
DEM JOOOOOS? Nah bruh. You can look closer to home.
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It ain't about the general public. It's about the levers of power. Where the F is the general public going to go? Doesn't matter. Heads I win, tails you lose. Same tired old story. And n0body's waking up.
"Give me control of a nations' money, and I care not who runs the government."
Meyer Rothschild (1743-1812)
They finally got all the levers in 1913 and ain't going to give them back without one hell of a fight!
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"Give me control of a nations' money, and I care not who runs the government."
Meyer Rothschild (1743-1812)
They finally got all the levers in 1913 and ain't going to give them back without one hell of a fight!
That's right. But that does not address the Hegelian dialectic we call the American political system... And because of that, it will never be reversed. We are going down the road to Globalism and collectivism, whether we like it or not... Because thesis+antithesis=synthesis.
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Is he a stroke survivor @DCPatriot ??
You really think that is clever?
Pathetic.
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You really think that is clever?
So you prefer certifiable? Okay ... I'll go with that.
Thanks for the suggestion :beer:
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So you prefer certifiable? Okay ... I'll go with that.
Thanks for the suggestion :beer:
Nice. Just endless personal insults against other posters and you think it is clever... All emotion. No thought.
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That's right. But that does not address the Hegelian dialectic we call the American political system... And because of that, it will never be reversed. We are going down the road to Globalism and collectivism, whether we like it or not... Because thesis+antithesis=synthesis.
Where is that Hegelian dialectic? You argue all the time here that both sides are the same! What am I missing here @roamer_1
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Nice. Just endless personal insults against other posters and you think it is clever... All emotion. No thought.
I'm guessing you don't see the irony in your post. 88devil
God love ya.
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Where is that Hegelian dialectic? You argue all the time here that both sides are the same! What am I missing here @roamer_1
@Bigun
Here is a good example: The Confederate Flag. Take a battle flag with the blood of patriots upon it, and make it into a symbol of hate for another people... The ancestors who hold that flag in honor, sure as hell ain't gonna let it fall, and the people who see it has a symbol of hate sure ain't gonna let it stand.
That ain't by accident. Why was that done? How do you fix it?
Ponder that a while and translate it into the disparity between the right and the left - Fighting over sh*t neither one believes in. It's the same dang thing. The fight on the Right is over baubles and candy - There ain't a principle one being defended.
And on the Left - Exactly the same... They're fighting for the right to include fantasy in reality and making bathrooms unisex. The principles they stood on back in Jimmy Stuart's day are long gone. Again. Baubles and candy thrown by the clown at the front of the parade.
The thing all y'all ain't figured out yet is that it's the same dang parade... And nobody is watching where it's going.
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Nice. Just endless personal insults against other posters and you think it is clever... All emotion. No thought.
No worries. It's all she's got, bless her heart.
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DEM JOOOOOS? Nah bruh. You can look closer to home.
Not dem joos. I am looking at it. The true levers of power.
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Not dem joos. I am looking at it. The true levers of power.
Right. Mammon. The root of all evil... I feel ya.
BUT, what locks it in? Why can't it change?
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@Bigun
Here is a good example: The Confederate Flag. Take a battle flag with the blood of patriots upon it, and make it into a symbol of hate for another people... The ancestors who hold that flag in honor, sure as hell ain't gonna let it fall, and the people who see it has a symbol of hate sure ain't gonna let it stand.
That ain't by accident. Why was that done? How do you fix it?
Ponder that a while and translate it into the disparity between the right and the left - Fighting over sh*t neither one believes in. It's the same dang thing. The fight on the Right is over baubles and candy - There ain't a principle one being defended.
And on the Left - Exactly the same... They're fighting for the right to include fantasy in reality and making bathrooms unisex. The principles they stood on back in Jimmy Stuart's day are long gone. Again. Baubles and candy thrown by the clown at the front of the parade.
The thing all y'all ain't figured out yet is that it's the same dang parade... And nobody is watching where it's going.
So you are advocating that we just all surrender and everything will be fine because there really is no battle over the constitution, abortion, 2nd amendment, or property rights.... got it... life is easy now..
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So you are advocating that we just all surrender and everything will be fine because there really is no battle over the constitution, abortion, 2nd amendment, or property rights.... got it... life is easy now..
Nah. That ain't what you're fighting for. Y'all pick at the gnat, and swallow the camel.
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@Bigun
Here is a good example: The Confederate Flag. Take a battle flag with the blood of patriots upon it, and make it into a symbol of hate for another people... The ancestors who hold that flag in honor, sure as hell ain't gonna let it fall, and the people who see it has a symbol of hate sure ain't gonna let it stand.
That ain't by accident. Why was that done? How do you fix it?
Ponder that a while and translate it into the disparity between the right and the left - Fighting over sh*t neither one believes in. It's the same dang thing. The fight on the Right is over baubles and candy - There ain't a principle one being defended.
And on the Left - Exactly the same... They're fighting for the right to include fantasy in reality and making bathrooms unisex. The principles they stood on back in Jimmy Stuart's day are long gone. Again. Baubles and candy thrown by the clown at the front of the parade.
The thing all y'all ain't figured out yet is that it's the same dang parade... And nobody is watching where it's going.
I hope you aren't including me in that "Yall" @roamer_1 because I well know where it is headed and have said so many time in the past on this very forum. NONE of that is new! In fact, that has been going on since before the ink was dry on the Constitution! The ONLY place you and I disagree is on how to fight it and apparently that is not likely to change.
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So you are advocating that we just all surrender and everything will be fine because there really is no battle over the constitution, abortion, 2nd amendment, or property rights.... got it... life is easy now..
No.
We're saying until you demand more from your party nothing is going to change.
You've limited yourself to the false choice of one or the other.
By them knowing you will vote for them no matter what they do they are empowered to do whatever they please as long as it isn't worse than what the other side is doing. So no matter who is elected things only get worse sliding further and further to the left.
When they actually have to earn your vote and do what they said they were going to do will things have a chance at changing for the better.
But right now they own you.
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I hope you aren't including me in that "Yall" @roamer_1 because I well know where it is headed and have said so many time in the past on this very forum. NONE of that is new! In fact, that has been going on since before the ink was dry on the Constitution! The ONLY place you and I disagree is on how to fight it and apparently that is not likely to change.
I got nothing against you @Bigun , and nothing but respect. You and me have a whole lot of trail behind us.
How to fight it has always been the same, and that to protect the principles of the factions of Conservatism. The opposite of that is happening now. An exercise in futility. Even from an electoral view.
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No.
We're saying until you demand more from your party nothing is going to change.
You've limited yourself to the false choice of one or the other.
By them knowing you will vote for them no matter what they do they are empowered to do whatever they please as long as it isn't worse than what the other side is doing. So no matter who is elected things only get worse sliding further and further to the left.
When they actually have to earn your vote and do what they said they were going to do will things have a chance at changing for the better.
But right now they own you.
Well, not taking a side is surrender no matter how you slice it.... The time for passive aggressive action is passed.
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Well, not taking a side is surrender no matter how you slice it.... The time for passive aggressive action is passed.
The only thing I can figure @EdinVA is a that there are some few here who are part of the crowd who advocate letting it all crash and burn then rebuild from the ashes.
Never going to happen!
"Hold on, my friends, to the Constitution and to the Republic for which it stands. Miracles do not cluster and what has happened once in 6,000 years, may not happen again. Hold on to the Constitution, for if the American Constitution should fail, there will be anarchy throughout the world."
Daniel Webster, 1851
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@Bigun
Here is a good example: The Confederate Flag. Take a battle flag with the blood of patriots upon it, and make it into a symbol of hate for another people... The ancestors who hold that flag in honor, sure as hell ain't gonna let it fall, and the people who see it has a symbol of hate sure ain't gonna let it stand.
That ain't by accident. Why was that done? How do you fix it?
Ponder that a while and translate it into the disparity between the right and the left - Fighting over sh*t neither one believes in. It's the same dang thing. The fight on the Right is over baubles and candy - There ain't a principle one being defended.
And on the Left - Exactly the same... They're fighting for the right to include fantasy in reality and making bathrooms unisex. The principles they stood on back in Jimmy Stuart's day are long gone. Again. Baubles and candy thrown by the clown at the front of the parade.
The thing all y'all ain't figured out yet is that it's the same dang parade... And nobody is watching where it's going.
Hmmm...Repubs pro life.....Dems pro death..... How is that the same?
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The only thing I can figure @EdinVA is a that there are some few here who are part of the crowd who advocate letting it all crash and burn then rebuild from the ashes.
Never going to happen!
"Hold on, my friends, to the Constitution and to the Republic for which it stands. Miracles do not cluster and what has happened once in 6,000 years, may not happen again. Hold on to the Constitution, for if the American Constitution should fail, there will be anarchy throughout the world."
Daniel Webster, 1851
Well, his point the we all have to get involved and demand adherence to the constitution is well taken, but to late.
We are hanging on the cliff of socialism by our fingernails and now is not the time to engage in academics.
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Hmmm...Repubs pro life.....Dems pro death..... How is that the same?
Repubs being pro life is fading fast.
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Well, not taking a side is surrender no matter how you slice it.... The time for passive aggressive action is passed.
It isn't surrender.
It is recognizing that if you want to actually cause some change in the right direction what you are doing isn't working.
That it should be self evident after the last 20 years or so of failure.
If they own your vote you have no say in what they do.
Simple as that.
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Well, his point the we all have to get involved and demand adherence to the constitution is well taken, but to late.
We are hanging on the cliff of socialism by our fingernails and now is not the time to engage in academics.
My entire political life in one picture!
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It isn't surrender.
It is recognizing that if you want to actually cause some change in the right direction what you are doing isn't working.
That it should be self evident after the last 20 years or so of failure.
If they own your vote you have no say in what they do.
Simple as that.
So what does a person do? Sit around and bellyache about things, but DO NOTHING? Seems like that's what I'm hearing here. Not that there's anything wrong with that....LOLOLOL (Insert Seinfeld reference).
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Well, his point the we all have to get involved and demand adherence to the constitution is well taken, but to late.
We are hanging on the cliff of socialism by our fingernails and now is not the time to engage in academics.
Doing what Republicans have been doing is how we got here. No principles. No spine. Lesser evil. The evil has reached critical mass now.
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It isn't surrender.
It is recognizing that if you want to actually cause some change in the right direction what you are doing isn't working.
That it should be self evident after the last 20 years or so of failure.
If they own your vote you have no say in what they do.
Simple as that.
Well, I happen to believe that if the Marxists win, it will be our last election and I will not surrender.
If you do not participate (vote) it is surrender and I will guarantee that you will NEVER get that vote back.
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So what does a person do? Sit around and bellyache about things, but DO NOTHING? Seems like that's what I'm hearing here. Not that there's anything wrong with that....LOLOLOL (Insert Seinfeld reference).
No.
We need to vote FOR someone that has earned it not the lesser evil. And have the courage to stick with the one we vote FOR instead crawling in fear voting for the one "who can win" at the last moment. The truth is if we had the courage to stick to our guns as a unified front we get something accomplished instead of chasing the shiny star power of some populist candidate.
California is a great example. Tom McClintock was the leading candidate for governor in 2003. An actual principled conservative. And then Arnold stepped in. A Hollywood "Republican" but actually a populist. He talked the good talk. His opponents were "girly men". The Republicans went off chasing the "straight talker" and glitter instead of someone of character. Arnold got elected and was a total disaster.
2016 was a replay of that at the national level.
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Right. Mammon. The root of all evil... I feel ya.
BUT, what locks it in? Why can't it change?
People are asking the wrong question. Seeking the wrong answer.
They want to be ruled. They desire a king. So they invent one. It is impatience. They want instant gratification.
You nor I or anyone was meant to be ruled over. By any other person.
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The Republic as founded has been gone since 1865 and even liberal historians like Shelby Foote have admitted the fact. What to call what we were left with at that point is debatable (I like Commercial Empire myself) and even that is in great jeopardy of being lost forever real soon.
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Bigun, on the mark as usual.
Predictably, the usual suspects posting are in tears,"Cuz it just ain't fair"!
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Doing what Republicans have been doing is how we got here. No principles. No spine. Lesser evil. The evil has reached critical mass now.
Well, separating the wheat from the chaff, politicians being the chaff, non-liberals are the ones working, raising kids, paying mortgages and have "trusted" their representatives to do their jobs so we can do ours. That is what has to change. Just going to the polls once a year and pulling our lever is not enough. We have to be the spine, but we have to keep pushing and fighting otherwise it is surrender.
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It isn't surrender. It is recognizing that if you want to actually cause some change in the right direction what you are doing isn't working.
This is repeated often around Briefer City, in one form or another. I don't think it's so much "surrender" as abject ignorance.
To think we can affect change going forward by turning all levers of government and the courts over to the Socialists for a generation belies even a rudimentary understanding of how things are going to work if we lose this election.
We will have no voice. We will have no influence, we will have no place in the White House, no vote in either the house or the senate. And if one voice should sneak through, the courts will stifle it.
We will become everything the Socialists/Marists demand of us or we will lose income, home and our modicum of security. They're not going to wait for us to surrender, they're going to take all of it --- from us.
If ever there was a time to live in the moment, this is it.
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Well, not taking a side is surrender no matter how you slice it.... The time for passive aggressive action is passed.
Not if neither side is doing right. Lesser evil thinking is destitute.
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The only thing I can figure @EdinVA is a that there are some few here who are part of the crowd who advocate letting it all crash and burn then rebuild from the ashes.
Never going to happen!
No, it is more about the exercise in futility. It stops nothing, and causes your side to accept an ever diminishing return.
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Hmmm...Repubs pro life.....Dems pro death..... How is that the same?
... And homo marriage is now accepted. A diminished return... A HUGE ass loss.
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Well, his point the we all have to get involved and demand adherence to the constitution is well taken, but to late.
We are hanging on the cliff of socialism by our fingernails and now is not the time to engage in academics.
Keep kicking that can. The trajectory is predictable.
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Repubs being pro life is fading fast.
Almost gone.
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No, it is more about the exercise in futility. It stops nothing, and causes your side to accept an ever diminishing return.
Rationalizing a lack of action...
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If they own your vote you have no say in what they do.
Simple as that.
FACTS. Plantations.
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So what does a person do? Sit around and bellyache about things, but DO NOTHING? Seems like that's what I'm hearing here. Not that there's anything wrong with that....LOLOLOL (Insert Seinfeld reference).
Seems that's what all y'all are doing to me. Repeating the same action over and over again expecting different results...
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Doing what Republicans have been doing is how we got here. No principles. No spine. Lesser evil. The evil has reached critical mass now.
EXACTLY. There is no opposition.
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Well, I happen to believe that if the Marxists win, it will be our last election and I will not surrender.
If you do not participate (vote) it is surrender and I will guarantee that you will NEVER get that vote back.
Emotion. You know, the Dems are saying the very same thing about Tumpy.
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We all know you are rooting for Biden, so knock off the bullshit and just say so. Get honest! The truth shall set you free! Is that too much to ask? Or should I just kick back and let you insult the intelligence of our good Members?
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Er...................suggest you cease mentioning intelligence.
I told you and your fellow travelers long, long ago that Trump is irrelevant.
The essence of the problem is that we have lost the values/virtues of
the Statesmen who birthed our nation and surrendered to politics/politicians.
Obviously you've honed self-embarrassment into a skill !
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People are asking the wrong question. Seeking the wrong answer.
They want to be ruled. They desire a king. So they invent one. It is impatience. They want instant gratification.
You nor I or anyone was meant to be ruled over. By any other person.
We suffered long to pare that down to ONE person, and he ain't here yet.
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To think we can affect change going forward by turning all levers of government and the courts over to the Socialists for a generation belies even a rudimentary understanding of how things are going to work if we lose this election.
Those levers are already in the hands of socialists.
We will have no voice. We will have no influence, we will have no place in the White House, no vote in either the house or the senate. And if one voice should sneak through, the courts will stifle it.
Already the case. the ball has not moved even an inch to the right in thirty years. Always leftward.
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Rationalizing a lack of action...
No, more like keeping your powder dry and saving ammo till you have a shot.
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Well, his point the we all have to get involved and demand adherence to the constitution is well taken, but to late.
We are hanging on the cliff of socialism by our fingernails and now is not the time to engage in academics.
No @EdinVA the point is that 'Miricles do not cluster! We are not going to get another shot at this if we lose this one.
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No @EdinVA the point is that 'Miricles do not cluster! We are not going to get another shot at this if we lose this one.
What miracle?
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Those levers are already in the hands of socialists.
No, not all. You should pay attention to the change in the courts that's begun and the education the American people are getting and embracing from the President on the nature of the media and the enemy within, private education and homeschooling, prolife policies, the value of sovereignty, citizenship, the 2nd Amendment and America First on the world stage.
The socialists will blow up this bridge we're on and there'll be no going back.
Already the case. the ball has not moved even an inch to the right in thirty years. Always leftward.
So what? How does this justify not standing with those who want to stop it now?
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Smokin, a serious reflection.
Man's earliest structured culture/society arose in Sumer (Mesopotamia) almost years 6,000 past, headed by a Monarch, the norm of rule across the globe till the eve of the Great War.
Many successive cultures continued to improve Man's condition by the application
of creative ideas to daily life; among them the rules of Agriculture, the discovery of
the elements of Nature as a means of improving Man health thereby extending his life
and the application of the order of Mathematics enabling him to construct bridges,
roads and tunnels, as well as structures, extending his reach/vision.
As Plato knew, a spiritual awareness was required for creativity to flourish, yet none
of our forebears were motivated by riches, as history attests.
Yet what about us who proclaim our greatness, daily. What proof is offered supporting this???
Why it's the testament of the 'fat wallet', doncha know!
I raise this, not as an argument, but rather because I sense a sea change in attitude is
bubbling below the surface and playing a role in the sturm und drang that plagues us
for a lot longer that we realize/understand.
It is sad that a man's "success" is measured by the thickness of his wallet rather than the number who will genuinely weep at his passing, but then, who decided what success is? Rich people?
Yet daily, we hear (despite all their means of making such things quiet) how miserable and messed up their lives often are. So, if you wish, keep that scoreboard.
I'll take the small rowboat I first gave a girlfriend a ride in over a yacht that has parking problems.
I prefer an older vehicle I know well and don't slavishly fret over like someone who spends a fortune for the newest, latest, most exotic. Mine may not go fastest, but I'd bet I'll beat them off the light at least 8 times out of ten, and still get around when it snows.
My house is humble. It doesn't take an army to clean and maintain, and is not the stuff of awe, but within these walls infused with laughter are memories of Christmas' Past, of elders and children loved, of triumph and disaster, of prayers to Almighty God over every meal. It is home.
My day to day attire, too, is humble, for I find beauty in function and durability. I'll not balk at helping a friend over fretting about 'ruining' a suit or tie or fancy shoes, because me wearing those is a rare event indeed.
I know what it is with these arms to hold a brand new life, and to say goodbye to one. I have beheld tremendous joy, and abysmal woe, all for reasons which made the pecuniary scoreboard irrelevant. I have, as an adult, played in the creek, as a child would, with no need of fancy gadgets, just things found at hand, and been happy.
I have been to enough places to learn to find beauty almost anywhere I go, from desolate wastes, to verdant gardens, to marvel at the great constructs of man, yet be at home with the most humble of them. I have held the bones of those before me, and seen the promise of some who follow, swam in waters, fresh and salt, breathed air below the level of the sea and from mountaintops where it is thin, and marveled at the wonder (and sometimes fury) of God's creations.
In all this I find greater love, not for the art, but the Artist, as I, another of His creations, am at play in a wondrous universe of His devising.
And while I appreciate all humans' efforts to rival or copy such, will never know the wonder at a tall building that I do at a mountain, never the awe of crafted pools I have felt canoeing in a salt marsh at sunset, nor sound such a marvel as a beating heart.
I don't care how they keep score. I am rich indeed.
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Repubs being pro life is fading fast.
And still half as fast being fiscally conservative. Roamer's uniparty theory isn't a 100% correct yet, but it won't be long.
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I ain't looking for "I todya so!".
I want definition.
I see where you are going, let the light go out so people will recognize it when it next shines in the darkness...
But these, rather than be in awe of and desirous of the light would quench it because you didn't bring enough for everyone.
Remember teachers acting as if it was our job to provide gum for the rest of the class if we wanted to chew a bit? That's where this shit began.
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You're pretty optimistic.
There's probably a 50% chance Biden doesn't make it to election day...
Hillary isn't the VP nominee yet... :pop41:
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You're certifiable!
Not so fast!
The real governing isn't done from the Oval Office. That's just where bucks stop.
Real government is the product of countless anonymous bureaucratic functionaries crafting "policy" behind closed doors, promulgating all the little ins and outs of the nuts and bolts of grinding through the parsecs of red tape carefully woven around the rules about getting anything done. for the outsider, it is a Gordian knot of obstructions and fees, always fees, and penalties if you didn't do it 'just so', only 'just so' is something different every time you talk to someone else from that office--inevitable, because the person you last talked to is on maternity leave/transferred/is on vacation/retired/left to take a job with Megacorp because they KNOW all those miserable little rules and can navigate the red tape, or simply 'stepped away from their desk and is unavailable at this time'.
It is this leviathan, this quagmire, this insatiable blob of government at a cellular level which is really Government. Even when the rules are decreed from on high, these are the levels which ultimately decide that that decree does not apply to your situation...Every center of government in Oz was connected, little munchkin, by the yellow brick road. It takes a lot of gold and goldbrickers to maintain.
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You feel it because it’s absolutely true. The left has gone to war and there’re only a handful of figures opposing them, trump among them. He loses and it is over. The left will be off the chain.
If that happens, then the nature of the war will change. 1861 will look like a picnic in the park.
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Trump is irrelevant.
The essence of the problem is that we have lost the values/virtues of
the Statesmen who birthed our nation and surrendered to politics/politicians.
Edited to remove an ad hominem wrapper around a seminal core.
You have the problem correct, and it has been thus since half the States were forcibly 'repatriated' into a monolithic Union.
But the first step I'd take is that voting would go back to 21 year old citizens who were taxpayers or who had served in the Armed Forces honorably or were in active duty.
Let those with skin in the game decide.
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No, more like keeping your powder dry and saving ammo till you have a shot.
"...until you see the whites of their eyes!"
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No, not all. You should pay attention to the change in the courts that's begun
Yeah, I don't think that particular carrot works anymore... It certainly never has with me.
and the education the American people are getting and embracing from the President on the nature of the media and the enemy within, private education and homeschooling, prolife policies, the value of sovereignty, citizenship, the 2nd Amendment and America First on the world stage.
Nonsense.His blathering is not education. Education is 100% in the hands of the liberal school system, and the Main Stream Media. This is the administration of whining, crying, and throwing dirt in the air. A tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
The socialists will blow up this bridge we're on and there'll be no going back.
More fear porn.
So what? How does this justify not standing with those who want to stop it now?
That is what I am doing... Standing with those who want to stop it now... All y'all are just the SOSDD.
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What miracle?
The absolute miracle of the founding of this Republic! And you knew that already.
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Not so fast!
The real governing isn't done from the Oval Office. That's just where bucks stop.
Real government is the product of countless anonymous bureaucratic functionaries crafting "policy" behind closed doors, promulgating all the little ins and outs of the nuts and bolts of grinding through the parsecs of red tape carefully woven around the rules about getting anything done. for the outsider, it is a Gordian knot of obstructions and fees, always fees, and penalties if you didn't do it 'just so', only 'just so' is something different every time you talk to someone else from that office--inevitable, because the person you last talked to is on maternity leave/transferred/is on vacation/retired/left to take a job with Megacorp because they KNOW all those miserable little rules and can navigate the red tape, or simply 'stepped away from their desk and is unavailable at this time'.
It is this leviathan, this quagmire, this insatiable blob of government at a cellular level which is really Government. Even when the rules are decreed from on high, these are the levels which ultimately decide that that decree does not apply to your situation...Every center of government in Oz was connected, little munchkin, by the yellow brick road. It takes a lot of gold and goldbrickers to maintain.
:yowsa: pointing-up
Better read this open folks because he nailed it!
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It is sad that a man's "success" is measured by the thickness of his wallet rather than the number who will genuinely weep at his passing, but then, who decided what success is? Rich people?
Yet daily, we hear (despite all their means of making such things quiet) how miserable and messed up their lives often are. So, if you wish, keep that scoreboard.
I'll take the small rowboat I first gave a girlfriend a ride in over a yacht that has parking problems.
I prefer an older vehicle I know well and don't slavishly fret over like someone who spends a fortune for the newest, latest, most exotic. Mine may not go fastest, but I'd bet I'll beat them off the light at least 8 times out of ten, and still get around when it snows.
My house is humble. It doesn't take an army to clean and maintain, and is not the stuff of awe, but within these walls infused with laughter are memories of Christmas' Past, of elders and children loved, of triumph and disaster, of prayers to Almighty God over every meal. It is home.
My day to day attire, too, is humble, for I find beauty in function and durability. I'll not balk at helping a friend over fretting about 'ruining' a suit or tie or fancy shoes, because me wearing those is a rare event indeed.
I know what it is with these arms to hold a brand new life, and to say goodbye to one. I have beheld tremendous joy, and abysmal woe, all for reasons which made the pecuniary scoreboard irrelevant. I have, as an adult, played in the creek, as a child would, with no need of fancy gadgets, just things found at hand, and been happy.
I have been to enough places to learn to find beauty almost anywhere I go, from desolate wastes, to verdant gardens, to marvel at the great constructs of man, yet be at home with the most humble of them. I have held the bones of those before me, and seen the promise of some who follow, swam in waters, fresh and salt, breathed air below the level of the sea and from mountaintops where it is thin, and marveled at the wonder (and sometimes fury) of God's creations.
In all this I find greater love, not for the art, but the Artist, as I, another of His creations, am at play in a wondrous universe of His devising.
And while I appreciate all humans' efforts to rival or copy such, will never know the wonder at a tall building that I do at a mountain, never the awe of crafted pools I have felt canoeing in a salt marsh at sunset, nor sound such a marvel as a beating heart.
I don't care how they keep score. I am rich indeed.
Brilliant. I could not possibly agree more.
All it needs is theme music.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZPusEr2o74#)
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You should pay attention to the change in the courts that's begun
Yeah how's the SCOTUS working out for us right now?
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The absolute miracle of the founding of this Republic! And you knew that already.
That is far from being lost, have we the stones of our fathers. There's one box left. And it's a bigun.
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No.
We're saying until you demand more from your party nothing is going to change.
You've limited yourself to the false choice of one or the other.
By them knowing you will vote for them no matter what they do they are empowered to do whatever they please as long as it isn't worse than what the other side is doing. So no matter who is elected things only get worse sliding further and further to the left.
When they actually have to earn your vote and do what they said they were going to do will things have a chance at changing for the better.
But right now they own you.
OK.
I'm demanding more from my party.
Now what?
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That was @bigheadfred , not me @Cyber Liberty :shrug:
Ooops! I meant both of y'all. You're not looking for an "I toldya so!" either. Actually, that only applies to like two people.
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That is what I am doing... Standing with those who want to stop it now... All y'all are just the SOSDD.
The only thing you're stopping forever is your "principled conservatism". Should the socialists win in November, the only silver lining will be this delicious irony.
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No, more like keeping your powder dry and saving ammo till you have a shot.
This is your shot .... not some daydream about playing mountain man on the big screen.
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The only thing you're stopping forever is your "principled conservatism". Should the socialists win in November, the only silver lining will be this delicious irony.
Let's call a spade a spade, shall we? They're not socialists. They are die-hard commies and all prior pretense is out the door (or out of the closet). And once commies get full power over people, they never relinquish it (See: China, Cuba, N. Korea, etc.).
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That is far from being lost, have we the stones of our fathers. There's one box left. And it's a bigun.
So you are going to bellyache on here for YEARS, yet sit on your hands when it's time to actually vote? Hmmm...what do they call that here....oh yeah.... All hat and no cattle. :laugh:
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Let's call a spade a spade, shall we? They're not socialists. They are die-hard commies and all prior pretense is out the door (or out of the closet). And once commies get full power over people, they never relinquish it (See: China, Cuba, N. Korea, etc.).
See California. The state's rat party, a supermajority now, is STILL passing legislation to guarantee they never lose this power. Republicans are kept around only for the veneer of legitimacy and I suspect can be disposed of at any time.
This is the model the rats are using for the nation.
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OK.
I'm demanding more from my party.
Now what?
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Excellent counter argument to the pie-in-the-sky reasoning from folks who should know better.
Less than three months before the election, two choices for president, no super conservative savior waiting in the wings, Marxism on the march, and some folks are saying sit out this contest.
Boggles the mind.
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Let's call a spade a spade, shall we? They're not socialists. They are die-hard commies and all prior pretense is out the door (or out of the closet). And once commies get full power over people, they never relinquish it (See: China, Cuba, N. Korea, etc.).
QFT.
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:thumbsup:
Excellent counter argument to the pie-in-the-sky reasoning from folks who should know better.
Less than three months before the election, two choices for president, no super conservative savior waiting in the wings, Marxism on the march, and some folks are saying sit out this contest.
Boggles the mind.
To quote Sgt Barnes 'there's the way it ought to be, and there's the way it is.'
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See California. The state's rat party, a supermajority now, is STILL passing legislation to guarantee they never lose this power. Republicans are kept around only for the veneer of legitimacy and I suspect can be disposed of at any time.
This is the model the rats are using for the nation.
Exactly. And you can tell by looking around at what's happening in the rest of the nation (ie which areas are allowing the radical violent left to run amuck) which states are the next to fall to that same leftism. The left is emboldened and at the same time desperate, quite a dichotomy, because of Trump. It took him to force them out of that closet. Now it's up to the voters.... the silent majority in America. We will either have four more years to try to fix what's wrong....
or we won't and it will be lost and over.
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OK.
I'm demanding more from my party.
Now what?
If you are voting for the lesser evil instead of the candidates that shares your principles then you are not demanding more. They own your vote no matter what they do.
If otherwise we need more of you to actually change things. There needs to be enough people that will withhold their vote to force actual change. Herding people in fear is all the GOP has had for quite some time now. They've done virtually none of the things they said they were going to do when in power. It is always the fear of the other side is worse. That is a losing strategy as well evidenced over several decades.
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If you are voting for the lesser evil instead of the candidates that shares your principles then you are not demanding more. They own your vote no matter what they do.
If otherwise we need more of you to actually change things. There needs to be enough people that will withhold their vote to force actual change. Herding people in fear is all the GOP has had for quite some time now. They've done virtually none of the things they said they were going to do when in power. It is always the fear of the other side is worse. That is a losing strategy as well evidenced over several decades.
Yeah... uh... no. I saw this same kind of bullshit right before the 2008 election and look what it got us/America. Eight friggin years of an Obamanation that is still ongoing from the sidelines (Thanks, Soros!).
Withholding your vote in this election will get us even worse than Obama.... if worse is even possible.
To that I say not just no....but...
HELL NO!!!
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See California. The state's rat party, a supermajority now, is STILL passing legislation to guarantee they never lose this power. Republicans are kept around only for the veneer of legitimacy and I suspect can be disposed of at any time.
This is the model the rats are using for the nation.
California is lost. You nor I can fix it. I moved out so I don't have to directly pay the consequences. Let them have what they voted for. They earned it. When tech has its downturn, and it will, California is going to have major economic problems.
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If you are voting for the lesser evil instead of the candidates that shares your principles then you are not demanding more. They own your vote no matter what they do.
If otherwise we need more of you to actually change things. There needs to be enough people that will withhold their vote to force actual change. Herding people in fear is all the GOP has had for quite some time now. They've done virtually none of the things they said they were going to do when in power. It is always the fear of the other side is worse. That is a losing strategy as well evidenced over several decades.
Not gonna happen. Wait until there is a Dem House, Senate and Pres., then we are officially DONE.
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California is lost. You nor I can fix it. I moved out so I don't have to directly pay the consequences. Let them have what they voted for. They earned it. When tech has its downturn, and it will, California is going to have major economic problems.
So... I have to ask.... when you were in California.... did you withhold YOUR vote?
The left's fondest wet dream (or one of them)... is to somehow get righties to "withhold their votes". Just....
sayin!
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If you are voting for the lesser evil instead of the candidates that shares your principles then you are not demanding more. They own your vote no matter what they do.
If otherwise we need more of you to actually change things. There needs to be enough people that will withhold their vote to force actual change. Herding people in fear is all the GOP has had for quite some time now. They've done virtually none of the things they said they were going to do when in power. It is always the fear of the other side is worse. That is a losing strategy as well evidenced over several decades.
I am. No one was more p*ssed off at Schwarzeneggar than I was when he jumped into the governors race and deprived this state of its last best hope for a turn around. I supported Fred Thompson in 2008 because he was the best alternative. I've ALWAYS supported the most conservative candidate.
And after the primaries that applies to the general election as well. I will not sit on my ass when one candidate more closely tracks my values than the other, regardless of whether that candidate matches my values to the letter.
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California is lost. You nor I can fix it. I moved out so I don't have to directly pay the consequences. Let them have what they voted for. They earned it. When tech has its downturn, and it will, California is going to have major economic problems.
And this is what you prescribe for the US. No thank you.
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Not gonna happen. Wait until there is a Dem House, Senate and Pres., then we are officially DONE.
When that happens we will officially be in the territory @roamer_1 mentioned earlier.
Quote from: roamer_1 on Today at 09:55:22 AM
That is far from being lost, have we the stones of our fathers. There's one box left. And it's a bigun.
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Yeah... uh... no. I saw this same kind of bullshit right before the 2008 election and look what it got us/America. Eight friggin years of an Obamanation that is still ongoing from the sidelines (Thanks, Soros!).
Withholding your vote in this election will get us even worse than Obama.... if worse is even possible.
To that I say not just no....but...
HELL NO!!!
And that is the answer to what you see around you. Good intentions is not enough.
The GOP owns you.
The lesser evil, better than the other guy, thinking results in a constant slide downward. But you just can't step off the reservation... Which is the only thing that can turn things around if enough people are willing to do so.
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California is lost. You nor I can fix it. I moved out so I don't have to directly pay the consequences. Let them have what they voted for. They earned it. When tech has its downturn, and it will, California is going to have major economic problems.
Sorry @ DB but I simply do not believe your burn it all down and rebuild from the ashes strategy is viable.
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And this is what you prescribe for the US. No thank you.
What I proscribe for the US?
How's your battle going in California?
California will consume you. For what? If that's what California wants let them have it without eating you in the process.
I moved somewhere where hopefully there are more like minded people who will not succumb to the left anytime soon. I've seen no BLM/Antifa rioters in the city I live in. And not very many state wide. California is another story...
Hell no I don't want that for the US. But if the US is bent on doing that I'm not going sacrifice myself at the mobs feet. Doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result is very foolish after 25+ years.
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Sorry @ DB but I simply do not believe your burn it all down and rebuild from the ashes strategy is viable.
Nowhere have I advocated burn it all down.
It has been the deeply rooted Trump supporters since day one demanding burn it all down.
It is going to burn down unless people start doing things differently. Right now you have virtually no say what the GOP does because they know they own your vote.
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What I proscribe for the US?
How's your battle going in California?
California will consume you. For what? If that's what California wants let them have it without eating you in the process.
I moved somewhere where hopefully there are more like minded people who will not succumb to the left anytime soon. I've seen no BLM/Antifa rioters in the city I live in. And not very many state wide. California is another story...
Hell no I don't want that for the US. But if the US is bent on doing that I'm not going sacrifice myself at the mobs feet. Doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result is very foolish after 25+ years.
California is not a one celled organism - there are plenty of now-voiceless conservative people here.
If you allow the left to take control in November the USA will be California write large. I will bet my life on it. Vote or roll into a ball. Those are your choices.
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Nowhere have I advocated burn it all down.
It has been the deeply rooted Trump supporters since day one demanding burn it all down.
It is going to burn down unless people start doing things differently. Right now you have virtually no say what the GOP does because they know they own your vote.
If we ever again have Democrats in control of all three branches of government in this country it is well and truly over and @roamer_1's last box will be all that's left. WE may get there but I'm going to continue to fight holding actions trying to prevent it for as long as I can! I'm too damned old and broken down for that last box option.
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Nowhere have I advocated burn it all down.
It has been the deeply rooted Trump supporters since day one demanding burn it all down.
It is going to burn down unless people start doing things differently. Right now you have virtually no say what the GOP does because they know they own your vote.
Sophomoric analysis.
You’ve got less than 90 days to repair the damage from three generations of socialist indoctrination. Okay, go.... The clocks ticking....
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IMHO I feel an attempted coup has been going on since Trump took the oath of office. Members of the GOP (Mitch McConnell being one of them) and the DEM party vowed that he would be a one term president. The DEMS have obstructed just about every attempt Trump has made to swing this country in a more positive direction. Members of the GOP have not stood behind him. Russian collusion, impeachment, COVID, BLM/Antifa, and now mail-in voting are all attempts to take this president down.
@libertybele
I think the best way to understand what has happened in American politics is to do like the professional pols,and look at public office as a Union Job.
If you want a job,you MUST visit the local boss and kiss his ass and promise him or her that you will be obedient to union rule,and you will allow him or her to dip their beaks into any "honey pot" you might stuble across,as well as work for free to help promote him or her higher up the ladder,hoping they will bring you along as they climb each rung.
All this while KNOWING at ALL levels that the union leaders will gather the wagons in a circle to surround and protect you if something goes wrong.
It is a religion is some respect,and like all religions,the leaders DEMAND absolute obedience and respect. In return they protect you and sometimes give you access to a higher level of graft if you prove you can be trusted.
The RNC/DNC Union was steaming along and things were going just fine for all of them. They had all been working together for as long as they had been in office,and everybody knew the system and understood what was required of them.
Then,all of a sudden,this outsider who had only been good for making the required bribe payments to conduct his businesses pops up out of nowhere and has the GALL to want the top spot!
Not only that,but he runs as a outsider who wants to fight against and destroy the corrupt union system running things!
EEEK! EEEK! EEEK!
Good thing nobody will take him serious,huh? Let's let him run because it will guarantee a Dim victory,and our path to domination will continue uninterrupted. With any luck at all,he will lose so badly it will discourage any other scab from trying to steal a union job.
MEGA EEEEKS! The SOB WON! WE MUST DESTROY HIM! Quick,everybody gather together so we can come up with a solid plan to stab him in the back and make him ineffective so we will never be challenged again!
Flash forward to 2021.
Mitch the bitch and Pelosi are sharing a street corner and wearing signs that say "Brother,can you spare a dime!"?
No more graft,no more ability to threaten anyone,and the money well has gone dry.
They no longer have the ability to threaten anyone,since the money well has gone dry,they no longer have the ability to buy/rent the "friends" they need.
Ok,Ok,I am dreaming about stealing their signs in the last part and seeing them try to turn tricks for a dime with no takers,but you get the idea.
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And that is the answer to what you see around you. Good intentions is not enough.
The GOP owns you.
The lesser evil, better than the other guy, thinking results in a constant slide downward. But you just can't step off the reservation... Which is the only thing that can turn things around if enough people are willing to do so.
I'd rather be owned by the GOP re: my vote... which essentially only equates to them taking my vote for granted (big deal)...... than enslaved by the Communist Left in America. I'm just funny that way.
Your solution? Withhold your vote out of some idiotic idealogy of ""conservative purity""...
and essentially let the DemocRats win. Again... hell no... and NEVER.
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California is not a one celled organism - there are plenty of now-voiceless conservative people here.
If you allow the left to take control in November the USA will be California write large. I will bet my life on it. Vote or roll into a ball. Those are your choices.
You are bailing water in California while many more are pouring it in. It is sinking. You will not save California from the ignorant masses that want what they want no matter the consequences. If the USA as a whole is really bent on following suite then they will get their wish no matter what you or I do short of civil war. I still hold hope that enough people remain that do not want to go down the California road. Arnie was the last "Republican" governor perhaps for what remains of our lives. He was an unprincipled populist that put the final nail in the GOP in that state.
I very much didn't want to repeat that on a national level... But too many are bent on it...
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I'd rather be owned by the GOP re: my vote... which essentially only equates to them taking my vote for granted (big deal)...... than enslaved by the Communist Left in America. I'm just funny that way.
Your solution? Withhold your vote out of some idiotic idealogy of ""conservative purity""...
and essentially let the DemocRats win. Again... hell no... and NEVER.
So you are a martyr for the party...
Your strategy has been failing for at least 25 years... But carry on...
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So you are a martyr for the party...
Your strategy has been failing for at least 25 years... But carry on...
If the strategy is failing, that's not my fault. It's the fault of stupid voters and people that are too damned lazy (or misguided) to get out and vote against the radical left.... and perhaps even the fault of people that advocate "withholding" your vote out of an unrealistic and idiotic conservative purity stance.
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Sophomoric analysis.
You’ve got less than 90 days to repair the damage from three generations of socialist indoctrination. Okay, go.... The clocks ticking....
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I'd rather be owned by the GOP re: my vote... which essentially only equates to them taking my vote for granted (big deal)...... than enslaved by the Communist Left in America. I'm just funny that way.
Your solution? Withhold your vote out of some idiotic idealogy of ""conservative purity""...
and essentially let the DemocRats win. Again... hell no... and NEVER.
You’re a slave either way. All you’re doing is picking the chains that keep you bound.
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If the strategy is failing, that's not my fault. It's the fault of stupid voters and people that are too damned lazy (or misguided) to get out and vote against the radical left.... and perhaps even the fault of people that advocate "withholding" your vote out of an unrealistic and idiotic conservative purity stance.
The failure is that most people seem to think that the only elections that matter occur in November. Lost count of how many times I've heard "They never give us a real choice." as if the primaries never occured.
And the minority who do participate in the primaries seem bound and determined to allow what they hate (the likes of Mitch ('The Turtle") McConnell and the MSM) to tell them how to vote in the primaries.
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The failure is that most people seem to think that the only elections that matter occur in November. Lost count of how many times I've heard "They never give us a real choice." as if the primaries never occured.
It never occurs to folks either that all politics is still local and a lot of the nut jobs we see at the national level today started out at the city and state level with their Marxist nuttiness.
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The only thing you're stopping forever is your "principled conservatism". Should the socialists win in November, the only silver lining will be this delicious irony.
HAHAHAHA!!True colors.
But the joke is on you. The truth does not stop being the truth when it is ignored. Principled Conservatism cannot be stopped... And the irony is your applause.
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You are bailing water in California while many more are pouring it in. It is sinking. You will not save California from the ignorant masses that want what they want no matter the consequences. If the USA as a whole is really bent on following suite then they will get their wish no matter what you or I do short of civil war. I still hold hope that enough people remain that do not want to go down the California road. Arnie was the last "Republican" governor perhaps for what remains of our lives. He was an unprincipled populist that put the final nail in the GOP in that state.
I very much didn't want to repeat that on a national level... But too many are bent on it...
yet one candidate is trying to build a barrier and the other says he’ll dismantle it.
There y’go
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California is lost. You nor I can fix it. I moved out so I don't have to directly pay the consequences. Let them have what they voted for. They earned it. When tech has its downturn, and it will, California is going to have major economic problems.
California is already so far in the hole that digging to China seems like a viable option to them.
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HAHAHAHA!!True colors.
But the joke is on you. The truth does not stop being the truth when it is ignored. Principled Conservatism cannot be stopped... And the irony is your applause.
She’s had a distinct hatred for real Conservatives ever since I’ve been here.
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It never occurs to folks either that all politics is still local and a lot of the nut jobs we see at the national level today started out at the city and state level with their Marxist nuttiness.
:yowsa: That to!
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She’s had a distinct hatred for real Conservatives ever since I’ve been here.
It's spelled HAUGHTY.
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She’s had a distinct hatred for real Conservatives ever since I’ve been here.
"Real Conservatives" is such a greasy term. Who have you heard say that?
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This is your shot .... not some daydream about playing mountain man on the big screen.
NINE FRIGGIN TRILLION DOLLARS... Draconian shutdown of the whole country... the utter decimation of small business... Your boy is finally doing what the libs could not - Destroying the middle class. And you love it.... To the wild applause of those who should be her defenders. Oh, how y'all are getting played!
And you want my support? You call THIS a shot?
Not EVER going to happen. THIS disgusts me profoundly, It can literally make my vomit. and I will NOT vote *FOR* it. Hell no. I will shun it for the vile thing it is. Every single one of those bastards need to be run out of town on a rail.
I like LIBERTY. No way in hell I will vote for the sonsabiches that are tearing her down... To include Tumpy the clown.
That all y'all will vote for it just shows you're wrapped all the way around the axle.
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"Real Conservatives" is such a greasy term. Who have you heard say that?
When a term has become an actual impediment to the goal of returning this country to its original civic configuration then maybe that term should be dumped.
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That is what I am doing... Standing with those who want to stop it now... All y'all are just the SOSDD.
@roamer_1
You are doing NOTHING but standing on the little hill you staked out and stamping your little feets in frustration because you will NEVER admit you were wrong.
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So you are going to bellyache on here for YEARS, yet sit on your hands when it's time to actually vote? Hmmm...what do they call that here....oh yeah.... All hat and no cattle. :laugh:
Naw... I'll be voting. Just not for your boy. I don't reward utter failure. You want to see 'all hat and no cattle'? Look to 1600 Pennsylvania.
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"Real Conservatives" is such a greasy term. Who have you heard say that?
It’s the smarmy way RIV and others mock “principled conservatives†every chance they get.
The people that started pimping for Trump here way back in 2015 made it clear they had and still don’t have any need for people who adhere to Conservatism and Conservative principals.
There is a distinct difference between Conservatives and Trump fans.
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Excellent counter argument to the pie-in-the-sky reasoning from folks who should know better.
Less than three months before the election, two choices for president, no super conservative savior waiting in the wings, Marxism on the march, and some folks are saying sit out this contest.
Boggles the mind.
Doesn't matter which side you vote for - You are getting the same thing. For decades
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If you are voting for the lesser evil instead of the candidates that shares your principles then you are not demanding more. They own your vote no matter what they do.
If otherwise we need more of you to actually change things. There needs to be enough people that will withhold their vote to force actual change. Herding people in fear is all the GOP has had for quite some time now. They've done virtually none of the things they said they were going to do when in power. It is always the fear of the other side is worse. That is a losing strategy as well evidenced over several decades.
FACTS/
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Not gonna happen. Wait until there is a Dem House, Senate and Pres., then we are officially DONE.
Then we're done right now too.
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The only thing you're stopping forever is your "principled conservatism". Should the socialists win in November, the only silver lining will be this delicious irony.
@Right_in_Virginia
So true,so true!
I take no pride in the fact my only joy if Trump loses will be in celebrating the destruction of those fools plans.
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Then we're done right now too.
Exactly. It's not like The Senate Majority leader...the supposedly "Trump" SCOTUS or anyone in the executive branch are doing anything to stop the Dems march towards Marxism. They are just trying to manage the damage so as to keep getting elected.
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It’s the smarmy way RIV and others mock “principled conservatives†every chance they get.
The people that started pimping for Trump here way back in 2015 made it clear they had and still don’t have any need for people who adhere to Conservatism and Conservative principals.
There is a distinct difference between Conservatives and Trump fans.
Agreed and telling conservatives to "get the hell out of they way" as if they are superior certainly validates your point.
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@Right_in_Virginia
So true,so true!
I take no pride in the fact my only joy if Trump loses will be in celebrating the destruction of those fools plans.
So you're gonna have a celebration for the destruction of Conservatism? Good to know. Thanks for proving my point.
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When that happens we will officially be in the territory @roamer_1 mentioned earlier.
That's right. And if that's where it has to go, THEN I will be all in. But to vote *FOR* further destruction of liberty at the ballot box? Not going to be me. Y'all are on your own with that.
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@Right_in_Virginia
So true,so true!
I take no pride in the fact my only joy if Trump loses will be in celebrating the destruction of those fools plans.
When the left takes the California model national there will be no silver lining for me. Just an utter contempt for those who assured me ‘it can’t get any worse’.
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And that is the answer to what you see around you. Good intentions is not enough.
The GOP owns you.
The lesser evil, better than the other guy, thinking results in a constant slide downward. But you just can't step off the reservation... Which is the only thing that can turn things around if enough people are willing to do so.
That's damn well right.
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So you're gonna have a celebration for the destruction of Conservatism? Good to know. Thanks for proving my point.
and Thank you for proving ours.
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It’s the smarmy way RIV and others mock “principled conservatives†every chance they get.
The people that started pimping for Trump here way back in 2015 made it clear they had and still don’t have any need for people who adhere to Conservatism and Conservative principals.
There is a distinct difference between Conservatives and Trump fans.
And on the other end of the spectrum, "Jack Kemp, Mark Sanford and John Kasich are Real Conservatives, and you SoCons need to sit down and shut up!"
Greasy.
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That's right. And if that's where it has to go, THEN I will be all in. But to vote *FOR* further destruction of liberty at the ballot box? Not going to be me. Y'all are on your own with that.
888high58888
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Agreed and telling conservatives to "get the hell out of they way" as if they are superior certainly validates your point.
@libertybele
What they don't understand...is that what the Dems are selling and what trump sells most of the time are two sides of the same coin. Tell the people what they want to hear to get the votes, throw a crumb here and there and otherwise keep it business as usual in D.C.
Conservatism isn't an expedient political philosophy. It's not a stick your finger in the air to see which way the wind blows ideology .
It's a set of principals and the way we lead our life.
They don't get that.
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The truth does not stop being the truth when it is ignored. Principled Conservatism cannot be stopped... And the irony is your applause.
I hope your delusion takes you to the end and you never have to explain to your children how you could have been so naïve; so uninformed, so wrong.
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And on the other end of the spectrum, "Jack Kemp, Mark Sanford and John Kasich are Real Conservatives, and you SoCons need to sit down and shut up!"
Greasy.
Kasich a real Conservative? Please. He's as Conservative and legit as Joe Scarborough.
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So you are going to bellyache on here for YEARS, yet sit on your hands when it's time to actually vote? Hmmm...what do they call that here....oh yeah.... All hat and no cattle. :laugh:
@mrpotatohead @roamer_1
These people,and there are many of them,are stuck on their "John Wayne rugged individualist " fantasy,and there is nothing anyone can say or do to wake them from their dream world. It's comfortable and safe there,and the real world IS scary as hell.
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If the strategy is failing, that's not my fault. It's the fault of stupid voters and people that are too damned lazy (or misguided) to get out and vote against the radical left.... and perhaps even the fault of people that advocate "withholding" your vote out of an unrealistic and idiotic conservative purity stance.
You cannot vote AGAINST. You can only literally vote *FOR*. It is you that is misguided.
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Kasich a real Conservative? Please. He's as Conservative and legit as Joe Scarborough.
Agreed, just trying to remind where we've heard that expression before WRT The Postman's Kid. It's used by lotsa people in the Elephant Tent, to write out and silence the others.
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Excellent counter argument to the pie-in-the-sky reasoning from folks who should know better.
Less than three months before the election, two choices for president, no super conservative savior waiting in the wings, Marxism on the march, and some folks are saying sit out this contest.
Boggles the mind.
@aligncare
They know better deep down. They just refuse to face it because they feel helpless to prevent it from happening,and it scares them.
They talk about fighting,but what they are all going to do is run for the hills and hide.
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@libertybele
Conservatism isn't an expedient political philosophy. It's not a stick your finger in the air to see which way the wind blows ideology .
This political movement died on the vine 32 years go.
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Agreed, just trying to remind where we've heard that expression before WRT The Postman's Kid. It's used by lotsa people in the Elephant Tent, to write out and silence the others.
When I make that reference to real Conservatives...I'm thinking of Reagan. That's the gold standard.
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This political movement died on the vine 32 years go.
You're mistake...like always is believing that Conservatism is a "movement". I know you're giddy over the fact it doesn't get in the way of your Progressive views...but it isn't dead and it isn't a "movement".
The fact you think it is...shows you know nothing about Conservatism, Conservatives in general or what we stand for.
At least you're not trying to hid your ignorance of the subject anymore.
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@roamer_1
You are doing NOTHING but standing on the little hill you staked out and stamping your little feets in frustration because you will NEVER admit you were wrong.
I am not wrong. This movement is a fetid stench. If stealing your treasure, shutting down your business, and shutting you in your house don't open your damn eyes, then nothing will. Liberty is falling. And this administration is doing it.
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Exactly. And you can tell by looking around at what's happening in the rest of the nation (ie which areas are allowing the radical violent left to run amuck) which states are the next to fall to that same leftism. The left is emboldened and at the same time desperate, quite a dichotomy, because of Trump. It took him to force them out of that closet. Now it's up to the voters.... the silent majority in America. We will either have four more years to try to fix what's wrong....
or we won't and it will be lost and over.
@XenaLee
It is no longer the states that control the nation. It is the large cities with the majority of the population and the professional welfare classes.
We all hear and see right here,people claiming stuff like "Yeah,that's just NYC,but the rest of NY is a sane place and nice to live in."
They are wrong because ALL the political power in America today rests in the large cities. Don't believe me,just look at what is happening in Portland and Seattle. Think the people who do all the rioting and who have LITERALLY taken over control of those cities REALLY represent or even LIKE the rural inhabits who are mostly conservative?
Trust me on this,once they seize total control,the leftist leadership will be packing those people off to labor camps,and then seizing the little towns to use as their private retreats.
HISTORY tells us this will happen. It is what ALWAYS happens.
Trump either wins re-election and then moves to take over control of the large cities and restore order,or America is over and say hello to "World Wide Government,Inc",because chaos can NOT be allowed to continue to happen daily. Order WILL be restored.
The question is "WHO will restore it,and what form the "order" will take.
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I hope your delusion takes you to the end and you never have to explain to your children how you could have been so naïve; so uninformed, so wrong.
I ain't wrong at all. Hillbillies may not be considered smart, but we can sure as hell read sign. And the sign reads plain.
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@mrpotatohead @roamer_1
These people,and there are many of them,are stuck on their "John Wayne rugged individualist " fantasy,and there is nothing anyone can say or do to wake them from their dream world. It's comfortable and safe there,and the real world IS scary as hell.
YEAH. NINE FRIGGIN TRILLION DOLLARS is scary as hell. The curtailment of business, the wreckage of the freedom to associate, the destruction of the ability to move around freely... Your treasure and your liberties are leaving right before your eyes, and you are voting FOR it.
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YEAH. NONE FRIGGIN TRILLION DOLLARS is scary as hell. The curtailment of business, the wreckage of the freedom to associate, the destruction of the ability to move around freely... Your treasure and your liberties are leaving right before your eyes, and you are voting FOR it.
At some point in the next 10 years if this country looks like a Mad Max sequel, I hope the populist on board here say it was all worth it.
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These people,and there are many of them,are stuck on their "John Wayne rugged individualist " fantasy
@sneakypete so the foundations this country were built on are a "fantasy" to you? good to know.
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I am not wrong. This movement is a fetid stench. If stealing your treasure, shutting down your business, and shutting you in your house don't open your damn eyes, then nothing will. Liberty is falling. And this administration is doing it.
@roamer_1
And you are standing on your little hill,all alone,doing nothing and complaining because others won't join you.
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When I make that reference to real Conservatives...I'm thinking of Reagan. That's the gold standard.
Sorry but no! That would be Barry Goldwater or Calvin Coolidge.
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At some point in the next 10 years if this country looks like a Mad Max sequel, I hope the populist on board here say it was all worth it.
They won't...they'll blame everyone else.
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I ain't wrong at all. Hillbillies may not be considered smart, but we can sure as hell read sign. And the sign reads plain.
@roamer_1
It says "Run for the hills and hide!"?
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At some point in the next 10 years if this country looks like a Mad Max sequel, I hope the populist on board here say it was all worth it.
It's coming, sure as God made little green apples... And most of em, whether they know it or not, are helping it along that way. S'alright. I'll get by. But what they are wishing on themselves is a cryin shame.
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Sorry but no! That would be Barry Goldwater or Calvin Coolidge.
Don't forget WFB.
Ever dream you would be on a forum where the word conservative was a dirty word?
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@sneakypete so the foundations this country were built on are a "fantasy" to you? good to know.
@txradioguy
ROFLMAO!
I am honestly surprised. I thought you were smarter than that.
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@roamer_1
And you are standing on your little hill,all alone,doing nothing and complaining because others won't join you.
As always, I ain't alone... And I am in the very best of company.
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Sorry but no! That would be Barry Goldwater or Calvin Coolidge.
@Bigun
Them as well. Reagan's "Time for Choosing" speech in support of Goldwater's campaign could have been written yesterday talking about the events of today. I know there was Goldwater, who Reagan adamantly supported and Coolidge as well. But it was reagan and his words and his actions that shaped my view of Conservatism for my generation as well IMO.
There are people here that would and probably have mocked Goldwater's comment about "...extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
That's part of that political movement some here think "died on the vine" three decades ago.
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Sorry @ DB but I simply do not believe your burn it all down and rebuild from the ashes strategy is viable.
@Bigun @DB
Is it a strategy,or a prediction?
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@txradioguy
ROFLMAO!
I am honestly surprised. I thought you were smarter than that.
Just clarifying what you yourself said.
You're mocking the rugged individualism this country was founded on as a "John Wayne fantasy"...totally ignoring in your rush to attack...the fact the people that founded this country and made it what it is were those "rugged individuals" you claim are a "fantasy".
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@roamer_1
It says "Run for the hills and hide!"?
I am already in the hills. And I ain't hiding. And like I said, I ain't seeing YOU grab your gun and run for the city either.
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@Bigun @DB
Is it a strategy,or a prediction?
Some posters here seem to think that to be available strategy. I'm not one of the @sneakypete
If the commies take over the only box left is the ammo box and I'm just too old and stove up for that now.
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@Bigun
Them as well. Reagan's "Time for Choosing" speech in support of Goldwater's campaign could have been written yesterday talking about the events of today. I know there was Goldwater, who Reagan adamantly supported and Coolidge as well. But it was reagan and his words and his actions that shaped my view of Conservatism for my generation as well IMO.
There are people here that would and probably have mocked Goldwater's comment about "...extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."
That's part of that political movement some here think "died on the vine" three decades ago.
Agree. Reagan took Goldwater and Buckley's rigid and bombastic views and took them mainstream and molded them in a manner that worked for the country. More than anyone, I blame GHWB for soiling the movement by faux conservative moves. There is at some awful point that it became acceptable to be an entitlement junkie in this society. Being a leach used to be looked down, where now it is the accepted norm.
And honestly, it seems like a runaway train, with no solution. Some dips here, may call me a one issue (trick) pony, but beleive me once the bottom falls out of this economy, nothing else will really matter.
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It never occurs to folks either that all politics is still local and a lot of the nut jobs we see at the national level today started out at the city and state level with their Marxist nuttiness.
@txradioguy
You just put your finger on the problem. It's called "Selfish self-interest". The local public votes for these people because of what they promise to GIVE them/what they promise to DO for them.
It's all about "Me,me,ME,DAMMIT!"
"Taking from others to give to ME is just peachy-keen and honorable,but taking from ME to give to someone else is EVIL!"
And THAT is the mindset that is destroying America.
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Agree. Reagan took Goldwater and Buckley's rigid and bombastic views and took them mainstream and molded them in a manner that worked for the country. More than anyone, I blame GHWB for soiling the movement by faux conservative moves. There is at some awful point that it became acceptable to be an entitlement junkie in this society. Being a leach used to be looked down, where now it is the accepted norm.
If it weren't for GHWB the dems would never have had the term "voodoo economics" to use against Reagan his entire time in office. That's something Poppy used in the primary debates to describe Reaganomics. And people we see today like McConnell and others that have been in office for 4 decades plus and some folks that (briefly) worked for Trump in the primaries worked against Reagan and for the "moderates" like going back to the '76 campaign.
They are not nor have they ever been friends to Conservatives.
And honestly, it seems like a runaway train, with no solution. Some dips here, may call me a one issue (trick) pony, but beleive me once the bottom falls out of this economy, nothing else will really matter.
The economy was the one thing we could all agree on that Trump was (for the most part) doing right and could carry him to a victory in November where he didn't even break a sweat. Now that he's let idiots like Fauci Birx and others purposely derail the economy...he's in danger of losing to a guy in the early stages of dementia who asks black reporters if they are "junkies" and says today that Latino's unlike blacks, have a "diversity of thought".
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California is already so far in the hole that digging to China seems like a viable option to them.
@Smokin Joe
They don't have to. China is already there.They own Pelosi's husband,whose law firm represents them,and they own the old Long Beach Naval Yard. Who knows what else they own?
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Just clarifying what you yourself said.
You're mocking the rugged individualism this country was founded on as a "John Wayne fantasy"...totally ignoring in your rush to attack...the fact the people that founded this country and made it what it is were those "rugged individuals" you claim are a "fantasy".
And the ability to possess rugged individualism is the very heart of liberty.
I am in the early stages of cutting a homestead out of raw forest. No permits, no inspections, what ever I want to do and have the cajones to pull off. No services, no contractors... All of it made with these two hands. Almost nobody stands in my way.
I don't know if folks today can understand taking that risk, not to mention living that far back in the wild in griz country, and all that as I graduate to being a duffer... But without taking that risk, they will never know what it means to truly breathe free. My every cell yearns for it, and that will never go away.
It is no dream. It is real as hell. And THAT I will defend with my life.
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@txradioguy
You just put your finger on the problem. It's called "Selfish self-interest". The local public votes for these people because of what they promise to GIVE them/what they promise to DO for them.
It's all about "Me,me,ME,DAMMIT!"
"Taking from others to give to ME is just peachy-keen and honorable,but taking from ME to give to someone else is EVIL!"
And THAT is the mindset that is destroying America.
It's the participation trophy crowd. The kids that never got an F or had their papers graded with red ink.
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There is a distinct difference between Conservatives and Trump fans.
@txradioguy
Once again,you surprise me. I honestly thought you were smarter than that.
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Some posters here seem to think that to be available strategy. I'm not one of the @sneakypete
If the commies take over the only box left is the ammo box and I'm just too old and stove up for that now.
C'mon up here... We can sit on a ridge in lawn chairs with sweet tea and sammiches and break out the long guns...
:beer:
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@txradioguy
Once again,you surprise me. I honestly thought you were smarter than that.
Smarter than you'll ever give me credit for. I'm surprised as well...that you don't see the difference.
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So you're gonna have a celebration for the destruction of Conservatism? Good to know. Thanks for proving my point.
@txradioguy
Don't flatter yourself. Supporting the Dims in removing Trump from office makes you a fool,not a conservative.
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As always, I ain't alone... And I am in the very best of company.
:patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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When the left takes the California model national there will be no silver lining for me. Just an utter contempt for those who assured me ‘it can’t get any worse’.
@skeeter
They have already done it. The left,and their Chinese pals,OWN California. The only way we will get it back is by force of arms. We would have to send in troops to take back control of the cities,and start the mass deportation of non-citizens.
I just don't see that happening,do you?
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Agree. Reagan took Goldwater and Buckley's rigid and bombastic views and took them mainstream and molded them in a manner that worked for the country. More than anyone, I blame GHWB for soiling the movement by faux conservative moves. There is at some awful point that it became acceptable to be an entitlement junkie in this society. Being a leach used to be looked down, where now it is the accepted norm.
And honestly, it seems like a runaway train, with no solution. Some dips here, may call me a one issue (trick) pony, but beleive me once the bottom falls out of this economy, nothing else will really matter.
I think there is another very important reason to call Reagan the standard. What ever else he did, he gave Social conservatives a seat at the conservative table... And in that, covered something that had been missing in American political Conservatism... A moral substance to align American Conservatism to the likes of Burke. Most of the moral imperative - the moral inclusive of Conservatism - Most of that is found in Judeo-Christian principles.
Not that they were absent in Goldwater, but they were not necessarily defined. And in the era that began the socialist march toward legitimizing SIN, those principles sorely needed defining.
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@libertybele
What they don't understand...is that what the Dems are selling and what trump sells most of the time are two sides of the same coin. Tell the people what they want to hear to get the votes, throw a crumb here and there and otherwise keep it business as usual in D.C.
Conservatism isn't an expedient political philosophy. It's not a stick your finger in the air to see which way the wind blows ideology .
It's a set of principals and the way we le@ad our life.
They don't get that.
@txradioguy
No,YOU don't get it or you wouldn't still be trying to support what the Bush Crime Family or their subsidiary,the Clinton Crime Family created.
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I think there is another very important reason to call Reagan the standard. What ever else he did, he gave Social conservatives a seat at the conservative table... And in that, covered something that had been missing in American political Conservatism... A moral substance to align American Conservatism to the likes of Burke. Most of the moral imperative - the moral inclusive of Conservatism - Most of that is found in Judeo-Christian principles.
Not that they were absent in Goldwater, but they were not necessarily defined. And in the era that began the socialist march toward legitimizing SIN, those principles sorely needed defining.
QFT
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I think there is another very important reason to call Reagan the standard. What ever else he did, he gave Social conservatives a seat at the conservative table... And in that, covered something that had been missing in American political Conservatism... A moral substance to align American Conservatism to the likes of Burke. Most of the moral imperative - the moral inclusive of Conservatism - Most of that is found in Judeo-Christian principles.
Not that they were absent in Goldwater, but they were not necessarily defined. And in the era that began the socialist march toward legitimizing SIN, those principles sorely needed defining.
And as far as Coolidge. He was my hero.
Problem is, in Coolidge's day, society and system, there was self accountibility in the population to make it work.
That concept died somewhere between 1932 and 1940, with FDR's attempt at Socialsim.
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Sorry but no! That would be Barry Goldwater or Calvin Coolidge.
@Bigun
A BIG "AMEN!" on that one.
There can be no doubt that Reagan meant well,but he was just too trusting.
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@txradioguy
No,YOU don't get it or you wouldn't still be trying to support what the Bush Crime Family or their subsidiary,the Clinton Crime Family created.
All you need to know about the Bush's is the simple fact..... Who first started floating the NWO shit. Seems he was a trojan horse of the worst kind.
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@txradioguy
No,YOU don't get it or you wouldn't still be trying to support what the Bush Crime Family or their subsidiary,the Clinton Crime Family created.
HAHAHAHA! And there's Tumpy, the NYC liberal and global corporation walking hand in hand with McTurtle like moonstruck lovers... Turtle, the heir apparent of that very moderate wing that spawned the Booshes and McCain't.
@txradioguy ain't the one who's smell is off... /JS
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You’re a slave either way. All you’re doing is picking the chains that keep you bound.
I pick the non-commie ones, then. Which means, damned straight I'm voting GOP/Trump.
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I pick the non-commie ones, then. Which means, damned straight I'm voting GOP/Trump.
Not a Trump fan obviously, but there is no doubt that this year's choice is binary. I choose to delay the destruction.
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Just clarifying what you yourself said.
You're mocking the rugged individualism this country was founded on as a "John Wayne fantasy"...totally ignoring in your rush to attack...the fact the people that founded this country and made it what it is were those "rugged individuals" you claim are a "fantasy".
@txradioguy
HORSEHILLARY! You are just mad because I stepped on the toes of your fantasy.
The people that founded this country WERE READY TO GO TO WAR AND RISK THEIR LIVES AND THEIR FORTUNES TO SUPPORT IT,NOT RUN AWAY AND HIDE IN THE FREAKING WOODS UNTIL THE SHOOTING STOPS!
And it takes wisdom,not wishes, to try to work towards preserving America without resorting to the bullet box. Trump is FAR from being a perfect human being,but so are you and I,and unlike us,he IS in a position to change the direction the country is going,and seems inclined to lead us in the right direction.
So go ahead and have your little hissy-fits over his personality or his sex life if you want,but that changes NOTHING. Our ONLY choices and hope for preventing violent revolution in this county in this election cycle is to vote for either Trump or Biden. By sitting home with your thumb up your ass to give it a little flavor,you ARE,in FACT,voting for whoever wins.
Deal with it,bubba!
Only you knows truly which camp you live in.
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C'mon up here... We can sit on a ridge in lawn chairs with sweet tea and sammiches and break out the long guns...
:beer:
Sorry! No can do! I live on land that has ben in my family (mother's side) since one of my ancestors went to San Jacinto with Sam Houston and I ain't leaving!
But thanks for the offer! :beer:
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@txradioguy
HORSEHILLARY! You are just mad because I stepped on the toes of your fantasy.
The people that founded this country WERE READY TO GO TO WAR AND RISK THEIR LIVES AND THEIR FORTUNES TO SUPPORT IT,NOT RUN AWAY AND HIDE IN THE FREAKING WOODS UNTIL THE SHOOTING STOPS!
And it takes wisdom,not wishes, to try to work towards preserving America without resorting to the bullet box. Trump is FAR from being a perfect human being,but so are you and I,and unlike us,he IS in a position to change the direction the country is going,and seems inclined to lead us in the right direction.
So go ahead and have your little hissy-fits over his personality or his sex life if you want,but that changes NOTHING. Our ONLY choices and hope for preventing violent revolution in this county in this election cycle is to vote for either Trump or Biden. By sitting home with your thumb up your ass to give it a little flavor,you ARE,in FACT,voting for whoever wins.
Deal with it,bubba!
Only you knows truly which camp you live in.
:beer:
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You’re a slave either way. All you’re doing is picking the chains that keep you bound.
We've ALL been slaves since 1913 and anyone who bothers to read the info in my tag line can plainly see that!
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All you need to know about the Bush's is the simple fact..... Who first started floating the NWO shit. Seems he was a trojan horse of the worst kind.
Despite Pete's projection...I haven't seen anyone here that supports Bush's NWO or the Clinton Crime Syndicate.
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C'mon up here... We can sit on a ridge in lawn chairs with sweet tea and sammiches and break out the long guns...
:beer:
Oh yeah? Well who's gonna make the sammiches? Not you. (in before sexist redneck rhetoric) :whistle:
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We've ALL been slaves since 1913 and anyone who bothers to read the info in my tag line can plainly see that!
Add 1971 to that time line. Decoupling gold from our currency is a 50 year experiment that is getting ready to bite us in the ass big time.
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Despite Pete's projection...I haven't seen anyone here that supports Bush's NWO or the Clinton Crime Syndicate.
In a political debate, when Pete has nothing to offer, he drags out one of his favorite conspiracy theories and accuses his opponent of being some part of it.
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Not a Trump fan obviously, but there is no doubt that this year's choice is binary. I choose to delay the destruction.
Exactly (me too).
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Oh yeah? Well who's gonna make the sammiches? Not you. (in before sexist redneck rhetoric) :whistle:
Hey. You had your chance. I sent you the couch money. You snooze you lose :shrug:
Besides, I am heading for the sticks now... If I have a woman, she'll have to be a hilljilly... Flatland gals just can't cut it up in there... :laugh: :seeya:
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Not a Trump fan obviously, but there is no doubt that this year's choice is binary. I choose to delay the destruction.
I choose not to reward a NINE FRIGGIN TRILLION DOLLAR printing party.
And the principle of the thing: I will not throw fiscal conservatives under the bus. I made that vow with Reagan, and I will be true to it.
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I pick the non-commie ones, then. Which means, damned straight I'm voting GOP/Trump.
Hard to call the GOP the "non commie" choice when they are helping the Dems spend us into oblivion with no care as to who is gonna pay for it.
Two sides of the same coin.
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In a political debate, when Pete has nothing to offer, he drags out one of his favorite conspiracy theories and accuses his opponent of being some part of it.
:yowsa:
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In a political debate, when Pete has nothing to offer, he drags out one of his favorite conspiracy theories and accuses his opponent of being some part of it.
Not sure about the ties part, but NWO and Clinton Crime Syndicate (See Clinton Foundation) are hardly conspiracy theories.
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C'mon up here... We can sit on a ridge in lawn chairs with sweet tea and sammiches and break out the long guns...
:beer:
Can I bring my own woman, she makes sandwiches.
(https://st3.depositphotos.com/3584053/17923/i/450/depositphotos_179236222-stock-photo-sexy-pretty-brunette-woman-eats.jpg)
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Add 1971 to that time line. Decoupling gold from our currency is a 50 year experiment that is getting ready to bite us in the ass big time.
:yowsa: Another padlock on the chains for sure!
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Hard to call the GOP the "non commie" choice when they are helping the Dems spend us into oblivion with no care as to who is gonna pay for it.
Two sides of the same coin.
So, then it is the GOP that wants to destroy the 2nd, open borders, put us under control of the UN? Good to know..
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Can I bring my own woman, she makes sandwiches.
(https://st3.depositphotos.com/3584053/17923/i/450/depositphotos_179236222-stock-photo-sexy-pretty-brunette-woman-eats.jpg)
Oh hell yes! But you'll have to settle for shine... Ain't too easy finding bud up in there, and too damn far from town to run for whiskey... Jussayin as I know you ain't particular...
You are welcome on my porch any damn time @corbe :beer:
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So, then it is the GOP that wants to destroy the 2nd, open borders, put us under control of the UN? Good to know..
The GOP has had all three branches repeatedly and the border remained wide open.
Right now the GOP controls two branches and people are still pouring in illegally.
The border talk is just bait for a vote. And it has been so for quite awhile now. The GOP corporatists want cheap labor and they come first.
Who banned gun accessories that Obama didn't even think were a problem?
Just whittling away...
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Hard to call the GOP the "non commie" choice when they are helping the Dems spend us into oblivion with no care as to who is gonna pay for it.
Two sides of the same coin.
That's right.
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So, then it is the GOP that wants to destroy the 2nd, open borders, put us under control of the UN? Good to know..
Yo just got shut in your house and the whole damn country shut down. By Republicans. HALF of small business won't be back. Republicans just added upward of 35k to the debt load of every man, woman, and child in the US... And took away their means to pay for it. All while printing money like a liberal.
If you can't see what's gone on, I just don't know how to show you. Plain as the nose on your face.
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Sure I can do shine. My ol lady's got copd so she doesn't smoke pot, just eats it in brownies and stuff, so it she $hits in you back 40 amongst the potatoes you grow for shine, we'll be harvesting in no time. Unless the DEA (more likely the FBI, in your case) is flying helicopters around your place. :beer:
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So, then it is the GOP that wants to destroy the 2nd, open borders, put us under control of the UN? Good to know..
Show me what Mr. "root and branch" McConnell has done in his capacity...several times over tithe years as Senate majority Leader to stop any of that? Or any of the times...especially since 2016 where the GOP has seriously tackled any of what you mentioned.
Turtle is too busy killing the political careers of Conservatives that challenge his gold ol boy group he's formed in DC. Too busy working behind the scenes with Obama when everyone else is in recess. The GOP speakers we've had were doing their own backstabbing of the Freedom Caucus etc to seriously blunt any moves by the Progressives.
Our supposed "most conservatives justices ever" just went 5-4 in favor of upholding DACA...an illegal executive order executed as policy.
2nd Amendment you say? Bump stock ban ring a bell? When is the last time the GOP took a look at the NFA? How about Trump giving his support to red flag laws?
We haven't addressed any of the 2A concerns going on in states like California New York and Virginia because John Roberts can't be counted on to uphold the Constitution where the Second Amendment is concerned.
So if they aren't doing anything to actively oppose or stop any of what you mentioned...that only leaves one alternative.
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In a political debate, when Pete has nothing to offer, he drags out one of his favorite conspiracy theories and accuses his opponent of being some part of it.
@Applewood
The truth hurts,huh?
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Show me what Mr. "root and branch" McConnell has done in his capacity...several times over tithe years as Senate majority Leader to stop any of that? Or any of the times...especially since 2016 where the GOP has seriously tackled any of what you mentioned.
Turtle is too busy killing the political careers of Conservatives that challenge his gold ol boy group he's formed in DC. Too busy working behind the scenes with Obama when everyone else is in recess. The GOP speakers we've had were doing their own backstabbing of the Freedom Caucus etc to seriously blunt any moves by the Progressives.
Our supposed "most conservatives justices ever" just went 5-4 in favor of upholding DACA...an illegal executive order executed as policy.
2nd Amendment you say? Bump stock ban ring a bell? When is the last time the GOP took a look at the NFA? How about Trump giving his support to red flag laws?
We haven't addressed any of the 2A concerns going on in states like California New York and Virginia because John Roberts can't be counted on to uphold the Constitution where the Second Amendment is concerned.
So if they aren't doing anything to actively oppose or stop any of what you mentioned...that only leaves one alternative.
I can cite several examples of things he has done to prevent any possible movement in that direction!
And he is STILL doing it to this very moment.
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Not sure about the ties part, but NWO and Clinton Crime Syndicate (See Clinton Foundation) are hardly conspiracy theories.
@catfish1957
Hard to believe there is anyone still in doubt,isn't there?
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Sure I can do shine. My ol lady's got copd so she doesn't smoke pot, just eats it in brownies and stuff, so it she $hits in you back 40 amongst the potatoes you grow for shine, we'll be harvesting in no time. Unless the DEA (more likely the FBI, in your case) is flying helicopters around your place. :beer:
Well, so long as she keeps from sh*tting in rows, I can always play dumb... :whistle: :silly:
And the feds can't mess with you... Medical is legal here, and if you have a medical card, you can grow your own... Just not more.
And it's corn, not taters. :laugh: :beer:
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I can cite several examples of things he has done to prevent any possible movement in that direction!
And he is STILL doing it to this very moment.
@Bigun
McConnell?
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@Bigun
McConnell?
:yowsa: I thought that was who you were talking about @txradioguy
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Show me what Mr. "root and branch" McConnell has done in his capacity...several times over tithe years as Senate majority Leader to stop any of that? Or any of the times...especially since 2016 where the GOP has seriously tackled any of what you mentioned.
@txradioguy
YOU show ME how Trump was involved in ANY of that.
In FACT,the alleged Republican establishment has been against him from the instant he was sworn in.
Yet you,and others like you,are determined to remove the only one in living history that has ever been in a position to change this,and who seems to have an inclination to change it.
It's like shooting yourself if the foot to prepare for the dance.
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:yowsa: I thought that was who you were talking about @txradioguy
It was I just wanted to make sure we were on the same page.
Mitch is there for Mitch and that's about it. He despises Conservatives and like McCain only pretends to be one every six years. He's a mafia Don in every since of the word up there in his perch on Capitol Hill. And he runs the Senate with a ruthless aggression that would make Capone smile.
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So, then it is the GOP that wants to destroy the 2nd, open borders, put us under control of the UN? Good to know..
What did Trump and his party do to ward off the Dems' advancing agenda? Republicans had both houses of congress and the presidency at one point and they didn't do squat. Obamacare is still here in some form and despite construction (or more like renovation) of Trump's precious wall, illegals are still pouring in. Tax reform? Yeah, right. Nominate "conservatives" to the federal courts? Well, maybe except a few so-called conservatives like Gorsuch have turned out not to be. So many promises and they couldn't or wouldn't do anything. And that's all on top of the trillions of dollars they have wizzed away. Now that they have already lost the house and just might lose the senate and the presidency, they are back with the same BS promises which, if they haven't kept them by now, they have no intention of keeping in the future even if they somehow miraculously regain the house and keep the senate and the presidency.
This voter has been fooled by these good-for-nothing bums for years even before Trump came along. I have no illusions that the Republicans will do anything to ward off the destruction of this country and turn it into a communist state. To do so requires strong constitutional conservatives and except for a few who have been beaten down by the liberal and populist Republicans in the party, there aren't any.
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@txradioguy
YOU show ME how Trump was involved in ANY of that.
His signature is on every piece of spending that's happened since he was sworn in January of 2017. So far he's managed to increase the U.S. debt faster than Bush 43 or Obama.
And that's after he promised he'd never sign another budget like the one he signed in 2017.
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What did Trump and his party do to ward off the Dems' advancing agenda? Republicans had both houses of congress and the presidency at one point and they didn't do squat. Obamacare is still here in some form and despite construction (or more like renovation) of Trump's precious wall, illegals are still pouring in. Tax reform? Yeah, right. Nominate "conservatives" to the federal courts? Well, maybe except a few so-called conservatives like Gorsuch have turned out not to be. So many promises and they couldn't or wouldn't do anything. And that's all on top of the trillions of dollars they have wizzed away. Now that they have already lost the house and just might lose the senate and the presidency, they are back with the same BS promises which, if they haven't kept them by now, they have no intention of keeping in the future even if they somehow miraculously regain the house and keep the senate and the presidency.
This voter has been fooled by these good-for-nothing bums for years even before Trump came along. I have no illusions that the Republicans will do anything to ward off the destruction of this country and turn it into a communist state. To do so requires strong constitutional conservatives and except for a few who have been beaten down by the liberal and populist Republicans in the party, there aren't any.
Nailed it!
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Cannot the argument be made that obummer did more damage to the dems (1000+ seats) than Mcstain and Romney ever could have done?
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Hey. You had your chance. I sent you the couch money. You snooze you lose :shrug:
Besides, I am heading for the sticks now... If I have a woman, she'll have to be a hilljilly... Flatland gals just can't cut it up in there... :laugh: :seeya:
Your loss. And I'm done makin sammiches for lazy-ass men (been there, done that... almost to death).
And as far as being a "flatland gal".... my ancestors (half, anyway) were injun. There ain't no such thing as a "flatland injun gal".
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Cannot the argument be made that obummer did more damage to the dems (1000+ seats) than Mcstain and Romney ever could have done?
No, Obama did damage to the nation, mostly. The commie left is thriving... despite the fact that they can't manage to come up with a better candidate than Hillary or Gropy Joe.
Hey... btw... did you do this quiz? It really seemed like something you might have done....lolol.
https://www.gotoquiz.com/how_commie_are_you (https://www.gotoquiz.com/how_commie_are_you)
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Y'all are wasting your breath on roamer. Not worth the argument.
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Y'all are wasting your breath on roamer. Not worth the argument.
Hard to argue against facts isn't it?
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Just took it @XenaLee ~ 0% communist. Thanks.
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Hard to argue against facts isn't it?
I'm voting my pocketbook. If Biden wins he will decimate the oil & gas industry like Obama did the coal industry. That is my livelihood. FACT
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@Applewood
The truth hurts,huh?
It isn't truth, so how could it hurt me?
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Just took it @XenaLee ~ 0% communist. Thanks.
Lol!
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I'm voting my pocketbook. If Biden wins he will decimate the oil & gas industry like Obama did the coal industry. That is my livelihood. FACT
Your pocketbook? You mean the one that's severely hurting right now because Trump let a bunch of technocrats tank the economy?
Newsflash...thanks to the stupid decisions made by this administration with regards to this pandemic...at one point W Texas Crude was trading in the NEGATIVE. O&G is the livelihood of members of my family as well.
Those industries have been decimated as we speak because of actions by this administration.
All Biden would do at this point is put the flower on the coffin.
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Your pocketbook? You mean the one that's severely hurting right now because Trump let a bunch of technocrats tank the economy?
Newsflash...thanks to the stupid decisions made by this administration with regards to this pandemic...at one point W Texas Crude was trading in the NEGATIVE. O&G is the livelihood of members of my family as well.
Those industries have been decimated as we speak because of actions by this administration.
All Biden would do at this point is put the flower on the coffin.
Sorry buddy you are wrong. O & G is recovering...we are currently drilling 3 wells. OPEC killed oil prices plus COVID....totally out of Trump's hands...
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Your pocketbook? You mean the one that's severely hurting right now because Trump let a bunch of technocrats tank the economy?
Newsflash...thanks to the stupid decisions made by this administration with regards to this pandemic...at one point W Texas Crude was trading in the NEGATIVE. O&G is the livelihood of members of my family as well.
Those industries have been decimated as we speak because of actions by this administration.
All Biden would do at this point is put the flower on the coffin.
Um... with all due respect... wasn't that due to the Saudi-Russia trade war/spat.... not Trump's fault, IOW...?
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@Smokin Joe
They don't have to. China is already there.They own Pelosi's husband,whose law firm represents them,and they own the old Long Beach Naval Yard. Who knows what else they own?
Seems to me Dianne Feinstein's Hubby is deep in with the CCP, too.
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Sorry buddy you are wrong. O & G is recovering...
Uh-huh.
The rig count in the Permian Basin was down 35 this week, the latest count Friday by Baker Hughes shows, with 316 rigs active in the region. A year ago, 464 rigs were active in the region.
Nationally, the oil and gas rig count is down 62 from last week at 602 rigs. A year ago, 1022 rigs were active. The count shows that 504 rigs sought oil, down 58 from the previous week, and 96 explored for natural gas, down four from the previous week.
The U.S. rig count peaked at 4,530 in 1981. It bottomed out in May of 2016 at 404.
The regional benchmark Plains-West Texas Intermediate Posting ended Friday at $19.25 per barrel, down $5.50 from last Friday’s close. National benchmark West Texas Intermediate crude ended at $22.76 per barrel, down $5.58 from the previous week.
https://www.oaoa.com/inthepipeline/weekly_rig/rig-count-oil-prices-fall/article_07ca4fac-7c2e-11ea-97ec-33f4ce426230.html (https://www.oaoa.com/inthepipeline/weekly_rig/rig-count-oil-prices-fall/article_07ca4fac-7c2e-11ea-97ec-33f4ce426230.html)
OPEC killed oil prices plus COVID....totally out of Trump's hands...
OPEC's pissing contest with Russia had a little to do with the drop. But not as much as everyone makes it out to be.
As for the Chinese Flu response in the U.S....that's totally on Trump and his little autocratic minion Anthony Fauci.
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What did Trump and his party do to ward off the Dems' advancing agenda?
@Applewood
President Donald J. Trump's Accomplishments List:
Government
Trump signs historic USMCA trade agreement
Trump Creates New Position Dedicated to Fighting Human Trafficking
Trump signs law giving Veterans smoother path to STEM careers
Senate confirms Trump's 170th Federal Judge with even more to come
Trump signs bill restoring funding for Historically Black Colleges and Universities
Trump signs bill that makes Extreme Animal Cruelty a Felony
Trump signs executive order protecting Medicare
Trump Signs Bill Protecting Disability Payments for Veterans Who Declare Bankruptcy
Trump signs 9/11 Victims Compensation Fund into law
Trump signs bill to fund Autism CARES Act
Trump meets Kim Jong Un at DMZ and becomes first sitting US President to enter North Korea
Trump signs measure aimed at Preventing Veteran Suicides
Trump signs Major public lands Conservation bill into law
Trump signs into law Genocide Prevention Act
Trump signs legislation enhancing US Leadership in Indo Pacific region
President Trump signs Ashanti Alert Act into law
Trump Signs $867B Bipartisan Farm Bill with Welfare Reform Work Requirements
Trump Signs Law Punishing Chinese Officials Who Restrict Access to Tibet
Production of Hemp to become Legal in all 50 States with Farm Bill passage
Trump Limits Asylum Migrants must come in Legally
Trump Signs New Hezbollah Sanctions Into Law
Trump signs Opioids Law at White House event
Trump signs bipartisan Water Infrastructure spending law
Trump signs the Music Modernization Act, the biggest change to copyright law in decades
Trump signs bills to Help Patients stop overpaying for Medicine
Trump signs law ending Gag Orders against Pharmacists sharing Money Saving information
Trump signs bill requiring Airports to provide spaces for Breastfeeding Moms
Trump signs Karis Law on the 50th Anniversary of 911
Trump signs order to keep Guantanamo Military Prison open
Trump signs proclamation directing troops to secure border
President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong-un sign ‘important document’ at Singapore summit
Trump signs law giving Border Patrol better Fentanyl detection tools
Trump signs law expanding Hate Crime protections to Religious Institutions
Trump signs technical education bill into law
Trump signs law to expand Childhood Cancer Research
Trump signs bill easing U.S. bank rules into law
TRUMP SIGNS LAW FIGHTING SEX-TRAFFICKING
Trump Cuts aid to Palestine
Trump signs law creating national historic park for Martin Luther King Jr.
Trump signs into law U.S. government ban on Kaspersky Lab software
Trump signs Russia sanctions bill into law
Donald Trump signs law aimed at cutting abortion funding
President Trump signs law declaring National Vietnam War Veterans Day
Trump Signs 3 Executive Actions on Crime Against Police, Drug Cartels
TRUMP SIGNS NATIONAL DEFENSE BILL INTO LAW
Trump signs Space policy directive
Trump signs First Step Act criminal justice reform into law
Trump signs Historic USMCA trade agreement replacing NAFTA
President Trump secures release of Pastor Brunson from Turkey
President Trump Approval Rating at 51 Percent
Justice Kavanaugh SWORN IN to Supreme Court
Trump Shrinks Government by 16000 Jobs since elected
US Cuts 300 Million In Aid To Pakistan
Trump Cut Off 200 Million in Aid to Palestinians
Trump ends 230 Million Dollar Rebuilding Payments to Syria
Trump has our soldiers remains returned home from Korean War
Trump signs Right to Try drug bill
US Embassy moved to Jerusalem by President Donald J Trump
Trump secures release of American Prisoners from North Korea
Trump Negotiates Peace between North and South Korea
Trump Signs Order Calling for Work Requirements for Welfare Programs
HISTORIC: Trump Nominates First Woman for Head of CIA
Feds collect record taxes in first month under Trump’s tax cuts; runs surplus in January
Trump signs sweeping two-year budget deal - MILITARY FUNDED
Trump proposes biggest civil service change in 40 years - 'Hire the best and fire the worst'
Trump signs bipartisan bill to combat synthetic opioids
Trump Shrinks Federal Bureaucracy by 16000
President Trump set a record for lifetime appointed judges in 2017
Trump Signed 96 Laws In 2017
Trump Administration Set to Roll Back $900 Million in Obama-Era Offshore Drilling Regulations
Individual Mandate of Obamacare REPEALED
Senate Passes Historic Sweeping Tax Reform
Climate Change REMOVED from 'Threat List'
Trump Admin is a Deregulation Machine: Eliminating 22:1
Trump signs $700 billion defense bill, gives troops largest pay raise in 7 years
New Space Policy Directive Calls for Human Expansion Across Solar System
Trump Declares Jerusalem the Capital of Israel
Senate Passes Sweeping Tax Reform - 20% Corporate rate - Largest in 31 Years.
Trump Shuts Down CIA funding of Syrian Rebels
House Passes Tax Bill in Major Step Toward Overhaul
Senate Passes Budget Resolution Clearing the Way to pass Tax Reform with a Simple Majority
Trump's HHS defines life as beginning at conception
President Trump Declassifies and Releases JFK Files
Iran Deal: DECERTIFIED
Four Months into FY 2018, Refugee Admissions Plunge to Lowest Level in 15 Years
US increases security screening measures for vetting refugees
US Delays Payment to UN for Palestinians
US Suspends $2 BILLION in security assistance to Pakistan
Global Magnitsky Act Signed: Targeting Global Corruption and Human Rights Abuse
North Korea Designated as 'State Sponor of Terrorism'
United States Announces a New Strategy on Iran
Trump Administration Announces 'Extreme Vetting' Plans
Trump cuts Obama’s refugee target in half, takes more Christians than Muslims
Trump: 'We are stopping cold the attacks on Judeo-Christian values'
Trump administration abandons the Obama-era clean power plan aimed at reducing global warming
School Choice tops the list of Priorities U.S. Education Department Grants
Trump Signs Healthcare Order, Expands Choice and Access through associations
US and Israel withdraw from UNESCO citing "anti-Israel bias"
Trump has written 46 Executive Orders
Treasury Deparment to target companies doing business with North Korea
Trump has signed 53 bills into law
New Order Indefinitely Bars Almost All Travel From Seven Countries
UN Security Council unanimously steps up sanctions against North Korea
Fewest Monthly Refugee Arrivals in August Since 2002
Trump to stop travel from countries that refuse to help Homeland Security
America has withdrawn almost $300 million in foreign aid to Egypt
Trump Signs Order Rolling Back Environmental Rules on Infrastructure
11,000 government jobs slashed under Trump - downsizing government
UN Security Council unanimously imposed new sanctions on North Korea
Senate confirms 65 Trump nominees for various positions
U.S. Small Business Administration opens assistance center
800 Obama regulations cut - Saved over $200 billion
EPA's Pruitt moves to roll back over 30 environmental regulations in record time
Cut the White House budget - Saved taxpayers $22 million
Haley Tells Congress US Assuming More Assertive Role at UN
Trump’s EPA To Repeal Obama’s ‘Waters Of The US’ Rule
Eliminated 1200 man hours of wasteful paperwork requirements including Y2K preparedness
President Trump Announces “Massive Permit Reform" Push
Trump Lays Out Plan to Privatize Air Traffic Control System
Statement by President Trump on the Paris Climate Accord
Treasury to call for rolling back banking regulations
Trump orders a Voter Fraud Commission to investigate 2016 election
Fired corrupt and incompetent FBI Director James Comey
HHS to Rescind Birth Control Mandate in Obamacare
Appointed conservative Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court
Ben Carson Finds $500 Billion In Errors during Audit of Obama HUD
President Trump's executive order will undo Obama's Clean Power Plan rule
U.S. Will have Free but Fair and Balanced Trade: Mnuchin
Executive order to reduce operating costs of the Federal Government
Fired all 46 attorney generals hired by Obama
Tillerson to shutter war crimes focused State Dept. office: report
Rex Tillerson, Mediating Gulf Dispute, Signs Antiterrorism Pact With Qatar
Canceled Obama Era special immigration program for foreign entrepreneurs
Critical milestone in the global fight against ISIS
Tillerson to back up Trump efforts to bolster Eastern Europe against Russia
Tillerson Tightens Limits on Filling State Department Jobs
Report: Trump plans to cut foreign aid, merge State and USAID
US to make at least $285m cut to UN budget
Tillerson on North Korea: Military action is 'an option'
It's a bloodbath at the State Department
Purging the State Department of Obama loyalists
Fixing lobbying laws - 5 year lobbying ban on White House officials
Put a regulatory freeze on all federal agencies
Cutting regulations in government agencies (add 1, take out 2)
45th PRESIDENT of the United States of America, DONALD J. TRUMP
Economy
Job Market Continues to Crush Expectations in 2020
Trump Secures Historic Phase One Trade Agreement with China
US Economy Added 266,000 New Jobs in November smashing expectations
Trump signs Agriculture and Digitial Trade agreements with Japan
African-American Unemployment Rate Hits New All Time Lows
U.S. Unemployment Rate Falls to 50-Year Low; Trump Economy adding over 6.4 million jobs
US Economy Added 164,000 New Jobs in July; Wages increased 3.2 percent
Record 157,005,000 Employed; 19th Record of Trump Era
Boom! America Created 224,000 Jobs in June!
Best Economic Optimism in 16 years
480,000 Manufacturing Jobs added since President Trump's election
US job openings rise outnumber the unemployed by 1 million
Economic Growth Has Reached 3 Percent for the First Time in More than a Decade
Opportunity Zones A New Dawn for Economic Opportunity
Unemployment Rate Falls to Lowest Level in Nearly 50 Years
Proclamation on Adjusting Imports of Steel into the United States
LARGEST DECLINE IN DRUG PRICES IN NEARLY 50 YEARS
Trump Policies Keep Economic Boom Going As Job Gains of 304000 Surpass Expectations
MORE AMERICANS WORKING NOW THAN EVER BEFORE IN OUR HISTORY
250K JOBS ADDED IN OCTOBER
Manufacturing Confidence at an ALL TIME HIGH
Construction Jobs up more than 300K compared to last year
Food Stamp usage declines for 8 straight months
Middle Class income rises to HIGHEST on record
Consumer Confidence 18 YEAR HIGH
America is now the worlds largest oil producer
Fastest growing pace in 14 years for manufacturers
BLACK UNEMPLOYMENT RECORD LOW
Jobless claims lowest level since 1969
Trump secures 2026 World Cup for the USA
Consumer Confidence Highest in 18 years
Black Business Ownership Under Trump JUMPS 400 PERCENT in ONE YEAR
Youth Unemployment Hits 52 Year Low
Black Support for Trump DOUBLES to 29 percent
RECORD Number of Employed - 63 Percent labor participation
Worker pay rate hits highest level since 2008
Black and Hispanic Unemployment rates hit record low in April
Business Investments up 39 Percent Due to Tax Cuts
Food Stamp Usage Drops Half Million in Single Month
Highest Ever Manufacturer Optimism over 94 Percent
Unemployment claims have fallen to a 45-year low
Trump Economy Explodes Record Number of Americans Employed Stocks Soar
FEB JOBS BLOWOUT 313K
GREAT AGAIN Household Net Worth Pushes Further Into Record Territory
U.S. Consumer Confidence Is at 17-Year High
US homebuilding permits soar to highest level since 2007
Economy to grow at 5.4% rate in first quarter
Roaring: Economic Optimism Index hits 13-year high, credit to tax cuts
U.S. jobless claims drop to near 45-year low
Wages jump to highest level since 2009 - up 2.9%
U.S. Oil Production Tops 10 Million Barrels A Day, First Time Since 1970
Trump Decreases Debt to GDP Ratio - First Time in Over 50 Years!
Jobless claims drop to lowest level in nearly 45 years
Apple to Invest $350 BILLION in US citing Trump Tax Plan
Utilities cutting rates, cite benefits of Trump tax reform
Over 100 companies giving 'Trump Bonuses' after tax victory
Black unemployment rate falls to record low
Trump adds 184,000 manufacturing jobs and continues growth trend
Manufacturing in the U.S. Just Accelerated to Its Best Year Since 2004
Trump Signs Korean Trade Deal
Trump Blocks Chinese Purchase of Qualcomm due to National Security
TRUMP SIGNS TARIFF ORDER ON STEEL AND ALUMINUM
Trump Slaps 30% Tariffs on Solar Panels imported from China
Japan Freezes North Korea’s Assets after Trump’s Visit
U.S. Trade Deficit falls to 11-month low
Trump Fights for ‘America First’ as 4th Round of NAFTA Negotiations End
Crude Oil Shipment to India Highlights Expanding Energy Partnership
Trump Blocks China from buying Semi-Conductor company, Lattice
Crude oil shipment from Texas opens new vistas in India-U.S. ties
Argentina agrees to allow first U.S. pork imports in 25 years
Trump orders probe of China's intellectual property practices
New memorandum to protect American IPs from China - Potentially save Billions of dollars and millions in jobs
Coal exports up 60%
China opens rice market for US exports for first time ever
U.S. makes final finding rebar exports from Taiwan
Renegotiating NAFTA with Canada and Mexico in order to make better trade deals - May terminate
United States and Mexico finalize sugar trade deal
First U.S. Natural Gas Shipped to Poland
Signed an Arms Deal worth more than $350 billion and various other investment agreements with Saudi Arabia
China, U.S. reach trade agreement on beef, poultry and natural gas
Trump orders a study on abuses of U.S. trade agreements – WTO
Trump slaps tariffs on Canadian lumber imports
Increased tariffs on Canadian lumber by 20% (worth $1 billion)
China buys more U.S. coal, sends North Korea
Trans Pacific Partnership (TPP) TERMINATED
Nikki Haley negotiates $285M cut in ‘bloated’ UN budget
WIC Welfare Participation Hits 17-Year Low
U.S. home sales hit 11-year high
Manufacturing Optimism Reaches Another All-Time High - 94.6%
Economy adds 228K jobs in November
Mining up 28.6% - Leads the Nation in Growth
Broadcom will move back to U.S. — and bring tax money with it
US private sector added 235,000 jobs in Oct - Beats Expectations
Consumer confidence highest level since December 2000
Q3 GDP at 3 Percent – Beats Expectations
Ivanka Trump creates new World Bank initiative to foster Entrepreneurship among Women
Consumer Sentiment in U.S. Surges to 13-Year High
63.1%: Participation Rate Reaches Trump-Era High
Unemployment down to 4.2, wages rise .5%
New entrants from outside the labor market made up 3.2
U.S. Factories Expanding at 13 Year high
Dow posting first eight-quarter winning streak in 20 years
Home builder confidence at 12-year high
Manufacturer confidence at a 20-year high
Tech giants pledge millions to Trump initiative
Q2 GDP up 3.1%
Sales of new U.S. homes rebounded in August
Federal Reserve: Household Wealth in America at record high of $1.7 trillion - Rising property values and Financial gain
Surging stock market powers U.S. wealth to $96.2 trillion
Food Stamp Usage Has Fallen Every Month Under Trump
Median Incomes Climbing for First Time Since 2007
Trump has signed a $15 billion relief package for Texas in the wake of Hurricane Harvey
Jobless claims drop to 240,000 - hottest streak in 43 years
U.S. Consumer Sentiment Rose in August
Recovery Is Finally Trickling Down to Least-Educated Workers
U.S. Job Satisfaction Highest Level Since 2005
American manufacturing expanded in August at fastest pace in six years
Donald Trump Ends Obama Effort to Waive Work Requirements for Welfare
Consumer confidence strengthens in August, second-highest level since late 2000
President Trump Cuts More US Debt for a Longer Period of Time Than Any President
Pennsylvania coal company to open a SECOND coal mine
Summer Youth Unemployment Falls, Level Since 1969
In Trump era, American corporations are seeing their best earnings in 13 years
US trade deficit narrows as exports hit 2-1/2-year high
Milestone for Trump: 1 million new jobs in six months
National unemployment rate at 4.3% (lowest it's been in 16 years)
13,000 jobs being created in WI - largest job announcement in WI history (Foxconn)
Black Unemployment, Lowest Level in 17 Years
Gas prices at a 12-year low
Some states are experiencing their lowest unemployment rates in their histories
Trump Announces $200 Million in Apprenticeship Funding
U.S. has record 6 million job openings, 6.8 million Americans are looking for jobs
CEO confidence highest since 2014
U.S. jobless rate falls to lowest level in 16 years
Trump signs bills that helps Veterans and Police officers by giving them Priority and Training
Government spending as percentage of GDP down
1000s of jobs being created through pact with Saudi Arabia
Executive Order on the Establishment of the American Technology Council
USA's small business confidence is spurring a hiring and spending spree
Alibaba Takes First Step To Fulfilling Jack Ma And President Trump's 'One Million U.S. Jobs' Promise
Slashing job-killing regulations left and right
Creating thousands of more jobs for immigration officers and border patrol
Signed a resolution encouraging women in entrepreneurship and STEM
Executive ordered all federal agencies to create task forces to cut regulations that hurt the economy
US Manufacturing Index at a 33-year high
Coal Miners are WINNING. Cut Regulations/Create Jobs/New Plant
US Economic Confidence Surges To Highest Level Ever Recorded By Gallup
National Security
Trump secures critical funding for the Border Wall
The United States Has Brought the Leader of ISIS to Justice
Executive Order on Modernizing Sanctions to Combat Terrorism
Orders Additional Measures to Enhance Border Security
The United States has Liberated All ISIS-Controlled Territory
Trump signs order directing an increase in Cyber Security
Combating High Nonimmigrant Overstay Rates
ICE arrests 364 criminal aliens and immigration violators in enforcement surge
US signs proclamation against Female Genital Mutilation and Cutting
DHS is planning on denying green cards to legal immigrants if they receive federal or state aid
ICE raid hits 77 businesses in Northern California
End of Year Report: Deportations up 40% - Historically Low Crossings
DHS: Announces New Procedures for Refugee Admissions
Deportations Of Noncriminals Rise As ICE Casts Wider Net
DACA Renewals Drop 21%
30-foot concrete slab prototypes erected along border
ICE has conducted a MASSIVE raid on sanctuary cities this week - 498 illegal immigrants arrested
Trump has updated the travel ban to includes 8 more countries
Crossing The Border Illegally Is Harder Than It’s Been In 50 Years
Withholding Federal Funds from Sanctuary Cities - Must allow ICE access to jails and notify befor release
VA announces Access Standards for Health Care
Trump signs VA Mission Act
Enhancing Veteran Care Act
VA seeks partnerships to build and improve health-care facilities
VA announces Veterans Coordinated Access & Rewarding Experiences Act
VA, Ginnie Mae create task force to address mortgage refinancing issues
Telemedicine: An important tool for Veterans health
Trump Signs Bill to Streamline VA Disability Claims Appeals Process
Trump signs ‘Forever GI Bill,’ boosting aid to student vets
VA expands Tele-Health access
VA fires more than 500 feds under Trump, even before new accountability law
Trump signs VA accountability act into law, promises better care for veterans
Trump Administration Streamlines Veteran Medical Records
White House to launch veterans' complaint hotline
Accountability and Whistleblower Protection at VA
$1.6 billion down payment to start building the wall
Trump cuts off visas for countries that refuse deported immigrants
Rescinded DACA
Extreme Vetting' for some green cards
Deportation orders up 31% nationwide under Trump
Deportation Orders Up 30%
Miami has removed its "sanctuary" status
ICE raids targeting families net 650 arrests
Denver To ICE: Stop Arresting Illegal Immigrants At Courthouse. ICE To Denver: Not A Chance.
17 Texas sheriffs approved to partner w/ICE
ICE chief wants smuggling charges on leaders of sanctuary cities
New crackdown on 'so-called' sanctuary cities
Raids to target teenaged suspected gang members
Army Corps starts pre-construction work on border wall
Deportations in LA are up 60% alone
80% jump in illegal targets
Feds taking over Texas National Guard mission along border
Border Patrol Morale at Highest Level
Christian refugees admitted now outnumber Muslim refugees admitted
Bill allocates $1.6 billion for Trump's border wall
ICE crackdown scaring some families back to Mexico
Kate's Law - harsher penalties for previously deported criminals - Passes House
Number of refugees taken in is down 50%
Rescinded DAPA
Workers install final panel in upgrade of border fence
Raids turn Oregon city into ghost town
Ending "catch and release" immigration policy
Silicon Valley Staffing Firm Charged in H1B Fraud
Unshackling ICE - told that they can take action against ALL illegal immigrants - increasing presence in sanctuary cities
Trump signs new defense policy bill that rebuilds military, boosts troop pay
Top 5 ISIS Leaders Captured
Trump signs order to keep Guantanamo Bay prison open
US kills 150 ISIS terrorists in Syria airstrike during government shutdown
ISIS has lost 98 percent of its territory - due to Trump admin
Pentagon Announces First-Ever Audit of the Department of Defense
U.S.-Backed Forces Capture Raqqa from ISIS
ISIS facing imminent collapse in Syria's Raqqa
Gen. Mattis breaks down New Afghanistan Strategy
US-backed fighters 'seize 80% of Raqqa from Islamic State'
Mattis sees need for new DOD space programs
Trump calls for Increased Military: Senate passes $700 billion defense bill
Mattis seeks Indian role in Afghanistan
Mattis vows US support for Ukraine against Russian 'aggression'
U.S. Cyber Command will be elevated to a "Unified Combatant Command"
Mattis decides to withhold U.S. cash from key Pakistani military fund
Mosul liberated from ISIS
Mattis: 'Annihilation Tactics' Being Used Against ISIS
US, Gulf countries form new group: 'TFTC' to stem flow of terror financing
NATO weighs new 'Counter Terrorism Post' following Trump's demands
ISIS leader 'admits DEFEAT in Iraq and orders militants to flee
Mattis Gives White House Tentative Plan for Rapid Defeat of ISIS
James Mattis threatens to ‘moderate’ US backing for Nato over budgets
Trump DOJ Sues California For Interference With Immigration Enforcement
DOJ Halts Obama's Operation Chokepoint, Which Targeted Firearm Dealers
More than 1,000 arrests in sex trafficking operation
Four charged with leaks from Trump administration
Jeff Sessions announces new crackdown on 'so-called' sanctuary cities
Justice Department announces takedown of AlphaBay, the largest dark web market
Sessions's New Civil-Forfeiture Rules
400 medical professionals charged in largest health care fraud takedown
The Department of Justice Stands by Texas's Voter ID Law
Charges: Sex traffickers took hundreds from Thailand to US
AG Sessions is bringing back the harsher sentences for drug dealers
Sex Trafficking Arrests Soar Under Trump; MSM Completely Ignores
DHS is planning on denying green cards to legal immigrants if they receive federal or state aid
Trump takes 'shackles' off ICE, which is slapping them on immigrants who thought they were safe
ICE raid hits 77 businesses in Northern California
End of Year Report: Deportations up 40% - Historically Low Crossings
DHS: Announces New Procedures for Refugee Admissions
Deportations Of Noncriminals Rise As ICE Casts Wider Net
Republicans had both houses of congress and the presidency at one point and they didn't do squat. Obamacare is still here in some form and despite construction (or more like renovation) of Trump's precious wall, illegals are still pouring in. Tax reform? Yeah, right. Nominate "conservatives" to the federal courts? Well, maybe except a few so-called conservatives like Gorsuch have turned out not to be. So many promises and they couldn't or wouldn't do anything. And that's all on top of the trillions of dollars they have wizzed away. Now that they have already lost the house and just might lose the senate and the presidency, they are back with the same BS promises which, if they haven't kept them by now, they have no intention of keeping in the future even if they somehow miraculously regain the house and keep the senate and the presidency.
This voter has been fooled by these good-for-nothing bums for years even before Trump came along. I have no illusions that the Republicans will do anything to ward off the destruction of this country and turn it into a communist state. To do so requires strong constitutional conservatives and except for a few who have been beaten down by the liberal and populist Republicans in the party, there aren't any.
How's that?
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Um... with all due respect... wasn't that due to the Saudi-Russia trade war/spat.... not Trump's fault, IOW...?
Like I just said...that was part of the problem...but not all of it. We were exporting excess crude oil...we were "energy independent" pissing contests between the House of Saud and Putin shouldn't tank our oil prices.
His response to the China Flu had a big effect on the prices because everyone suddenly had to stop working and stay home.
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Hooo boy gotta love those ready made spam lists. *****rollingeyes*****
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Uh-huh.
https://www.oaoa.com/inthepipeline/weekly_rig/rig-count-oil-prices-fall/article_07ca4fac-7c2e-11ea-97ec-33f4ce426230.html (https://www.oaoa.com/inthepipeline/weekly_rig/rig-count-oil-prices-fall/article_07ca4fac-7c2e-11ea-97ec-33f4ce426230.html)
OPEC's pissing contest with Russia had a little to do with the drop. But not as much as everyone makes it out to be.
As for the Chinese Flu response in the U.S....that's totally on Trump and his little autocratic minion Anthony Fauci.
You are misinformed....
FYI...we are getting $37 for our crude.
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His signature is on every piece of spending that's happened since he was sworn in January of 2017. So far he's managed to increase the U.S. debt faster than Bush 43 or Obama.
And that's after he promised he'd never sign another budget like the one he signed in 2017.
@txradioguy
So,once congress had voted to pass the budget,you would have rather seen Trump just shut the government down,rather than sign the bill?
You DO understand he doesn't create budgets,and that his only options are to sign or not sign them,right?
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Hooo boy gotta love those ready made spam lists. *****rollingeyes*****
Someone always whips out that lengthy BS list.
My favorite is "President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong-un sign ‘important document’ at Singapore summit." Just what was that "important document?" And if it had anything to do with Kim promising to curb his development of nuclear weapons, it looks like it didn't work. Kim is still at it.
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@txradioguy
So,once congress had voted to pass the budget,you would have rather seen Trump just shut the government down,rather than sign the bill?
Yes. It's called fiscal responsibility. It's not like it's the first time it would've happened in our history. Hell Reagan used the shut down option a dozen times IIRC to stop the Democrats from pushing their agenda and to get what he wanted.
The 1995 Congress shut the government down to prevent the worst of the Clinton agenda.
You DO understand he doesn't create budgets,and that his only options are to sign or not sign them,right?
Actually in the age of the omnibus spending bills (another shared GOP/Dem abomination) he proposes a budget, the House proposes their own budget since that's where spending bills are supposed to originate and then the negotiations begin and somewhere between all of that and the Senate a budget "deal"...more like a screw job gets worked out.
He has every right not to sign something if he thinks it's a bad piece of legislation or spending. And then tell the American people why he did it and what it will take to get his signature on it.
The fact he keeps signing them signals he has no problem with the out of control nature of the spending intros country and has no plan to reign it in.
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It was I just wanted to make sure we were on the same page.
Mitch is there for Mitch and that's about it. He despises Conservatives and like McCain only pretends to be one every six years. He's a mafia Don in every since of the word up there in his perch on Capitol Hill. And he runs the Senate with a ruthless aggression that would make Capone smile.
...*FOR* the moderate wing's agenda...
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@txradioguy
So,once congress had voted to pass the budget,you would have rather seen Trump just shut the government down,rather than sign the bill?
You DO understand he doesn't create budgets,and that his only options are to sign or not sign them,right?
I get that @sneakypete.
Mid next week week he will sign Pelousy's compromise with McConnell on $3.4T of waste, unlike before, he won't tweet "This $hit has to end" cause it makes him look like a windbag.
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What did Trump and his party do to ward off the Dems' advancing agenda? Republicans had both houses of congress and the presidency at one point and they didn't do squat. Obamacare is still here in some form and despite construction (or more like renovation) of Trump's precious wall, illegals are still pouring in. Tax reform? Yeah, right. Nominate "conservatives" to the federal courts? Well, maybe except a few so-called conservatives like Gorsuch have turned out not to be. So many promises and they couldn't or wouldn't do anything. And that's all on top of the trillions of dollars they have wizzed away. Now that they have already lost the house and just might lose the senate and the presidency, they are back with the same BS promises which, if they haven't kept them by now, they have no intention of keeping in the future even if they somehow miraculously regain the house and keep the senate and the presidency.
This voter has been fooled by these good-for-nothing bums for years even before Trump came along. I have no illusions that the Republicans will do anything to ward off the destruction of this country and turn it into a communist state. To do so requires strong constitutional conservatives and except for a few who have been beaten down by the liberal and populist Republicans in the party, there aren't any.
BOOM, baby!
That's dead on.
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BOOM, baby!
That's dead on.
Fantastic.... Let's all sit in our recliners singing kumbaya and do nothing...fiddling while the country burns. Yeah...that's the ticket.
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Your pocketbook? You mean the one that's severely hurting right now because Trump let a bunch of technocrats tank the economy?
Newsflash...thanks to the stupid decisions made by this administration with regards to this pandemic...at one point W Texas Crude was trading in the NEGATIVE. O&G is the livelihood of members of my family as well.
Those industries have been decimated as we speak because of actions by this administration.
All Biden would do at this point is put the flower on the coffin.
O&G will recover, but if Biden and his NWO lackeys do the GND, and push to shut it down it won't for a long time. That BS will cost lives throughout the Northern Plains, just for starters. Gotta have heat to live, 6 months out of the year. Food prices would necessarily spike as well, cause you can't farm without diesel, all for stopping something that isn't a problem anyway, at least not one cutting carbon footprints will solve.
COVID was only part of the crash in O&G, the rest was the Soviets Russians and the Saudis at the OPEC+ just a few days before the announcement of decreased demand and storage capacity. They had a well timed (coordinated?) hissyfit and stormed out pledging to produce whatever they wanted. Instant surplus. That took WTI to the low 20s.
COVID just hit harder at a time when the futures contracts were coming due for delivery, and there was no storage space. The idea of putting crude in the SPR was floated and some of that space was rented by the Trump Administration on a payment in kind basis (Put oil in, but leave some when you take it out for rent).
In cooperation?, or at least coinciding with that A federal Judge demanded the DAPL be shut down and drained pending more EISs from the COrps of Engineers for a pipeline operating three year already, moving over 470,000 BOPD out of North Dakota, and the BIA ruled that in a seve year old case, another pipeline to the Tesoro Refinery in Mandan ND had to be shut down over not paying individual property owners lease payments for seven years, something that had been tied up in tribal politics (different tribe) and the BIA for all that time. Seems the tribe was handsomely paid for their acreage of Right of Way, but the individual owners were offered a fraction per acre what the tribe got, and wanted equal payment for their acreage on a per acre basis. It got kicked down the road fro seven years, and the end settlement amounts to well over 100 million total for the landowners and their lawyers (That's on the that pipeline company, imho, and not the government like the DAPL ruling--done by a judge in Washington DC (yes, Obama appointee).)
DAPL would not have been finished and operating at all if the Trump administration hadn't given the go-ahead. The Obamites had waffled over allowing completion for months, letting the Standing Rock Tribe and their Leftists from elsewhere make a disaster area of the land near the water, damaging construction equipment and public and private property, and killing and mutilating livestock.
The industry would have been hurt far worse in an Obama-like political environment in DC. Downturns in the industry seem to be common in Presidential election years. I think it is to keep a really conservative and patriotic group cash strapped and from donating to the candidates of their choice.
If Biden and the Green New Deal garbage go through, the industry will really hurt.
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I'm voting my pocketbook. If Biden wins he will decimate the oil & gas industry like Obama did the coal industry. That is my livelihood. FACT
NINE FRIGGIN TRILLION DOLLARS. That's $35k right out of your pocketbook... 70k to count your wife. And out of the pocketbook of every man woman and child in the country.
Whether that comes out in real money or inflation, it's coming out.
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NINE FRIGGIN TRILLION DOLLARS. That's $35k right out of your pocketbook... 70k to count your wife. And out of the pocketbook of every man woman and child in the country.
Whether that comes out in real money or inflation, it's coming out.
*****rollingeyes*****
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Fantastic.... Let's all sit in our recliners singing kumbaya and do nothing...fiddling while the country burns. Yeah...that's the ticket.
The country is burning already. Or haven't you noticed?
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@txradioguy
So,once congress had voted to pass the budget,you would have rather seen Trump just shut the government down,rather than sign the bill?
You DO understand he doesn't create budgets,and that his only options are to sign or not sign them,right?
Yeah that's bullcrap. The administration is always involved neck deep in committee. He knows what's up long before it goes to a vote in the congress.
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NINE FRIGGIN TRILLION DOLLARS. That's $35k right out of your pocketbook... 70k to count your wife. And out of the pocketbook of every man woman and child in the country.
Whether that comes out in real money or inflation, it's coming out.
Yes, it will. The price of everything will go up. That includes me, too, when it comes to going back to my real job--but that won't happen with Biden, and that would be a double whammy.
In the end, driven especially by Democrat pork, the dollar has been devalued, and they didn't have to take our gold to do it.
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Hooo boy gotta love those ready made spam lists. *****rollingeyes*****
Yeah, magapill bullcrap that's been debunked over and again.
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Fantastic.... Let's all sit in our recliners singing kumbaya and do nothing...fiddling while the country burns. Yeah...that's the ticket.
No, I know... Let's REWARD a NINE FRIGGIN TRILLION DOLLAR printing party with our approval! Then they know they can do it sommore! whoohoo! *****rollingeyes*****
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*****rollingeyes*****
FACTS, man.
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Fantastic.... Let's all sit in our recliners singing kumbaya and do nothing...fiddling while the country burns. Yeah...that's the ticket.
Or reviewing our sHTF checklists.
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No, I know... Let's REWARD a NINE FRIGGIN TRILLION DOLLAR printing party with our approval! Then they know they can do it sommore! whoohoo! *****rollingeyes*****
Hey Buddy.... Can you break a 100 Trillion?
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/3/25/1237999328897/Zimbabwe-One-Hundred-Tril-001.jpg?w=300&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=d532fe53fa35be47d69bef0670d70f4b)
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Yes, it will. The price of everything will go up. That includes me, too, when it comes to going back to my real job--but that won't happen with Biden, and that would be a double whammy.
In the end, driven especially by Democrat pork, the dollar has been devalued, and they didn't have to take our gold to do it.
Don't care about the double whammy. ALLOWING, APPROVING of 'our' side doing that crap is entirely unconscionable. Them folks gotta go to the woodshed.
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Hey Buddy.... Can you break a 100 Trillion?
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/3/25/1237999328897/Zimbabwe-One-Hundred-Tril-001.jpg?w=300&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=d532fe53fa35be47d69bef0670d70f4b)
Sorry bruh... I found three cans of black beans last week so I am tapped out... :shrug: :whistle:
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Hard to argue against facts isn't it?
I love arguing, when it's relevant to my life. Whether my friends vote the way I do is not in that category. :shrug:
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Hey Buddy.... Can you break a 100 Trillion?
(https://i.guim.co.uk/img/static/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/3/25/1237999328897/Zimbabwe-One-Hundred-Tril-001.jpg?w=300&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=d532fe53fa35be47d69bef0670d70f4b)
Yeah, I have a quadrillion of their dollars. Wouldn't buy a loaf of bread....
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I mourn the loss of the great number one superpower Zimbabwe.
To think that world-spanning great civilization is gone that built EVERYTHING and brought us the two things we really needed most.
Sliced bread and Jesus Christ.
Wait...did I just repeat myself?
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Yes. It's called fiscal responsibility.
@txradioguy
It's called bullshit! IF he did the economy would tank even further,and you would be blaming him for that.
It's not like it's the first time it would've happened in our history.
It would be the first time after the economy had spent months taking a beating due to a virus scare.
Hell Reagan used the shut down option a dozen times IIRC to stop the Democrats from pushing their agenda and to get what he wanted.
Different circumstances back then.
The 1995 Congress shut the government down to prevent the worst of the Clinton agenda.
Actually in the
You think this is still 1995? I think I am beginning to know what is wrong.
c
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I mourn the loss of the great number one superpower Zimbabwe.
To think that world-spanning great civilization is gone that built EVERYTHING and brought us the two things we really needed most.
Sliced bread and Jesus Christ.
Wait...did I just repeat myself?
Wrong end of the Dark Continent. Rhodesia cannot be confused with the "Cradle of Civilization" that is the Middle East. Until the Colony, Rhodesia was just a large conglomeration of huts made out of mud and sticks. They are doing their level best to "get back to their roots."
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Fantastic.... Let's all sit in our recliners singing kumbaya and do nothing...fiddling while the country burns. Yeah...that's the ticket.
@mrpotatohead
That IS their plan!
And they are going to do it while whining "It ain't MY fault! I thought Santa was going to bail us out!"
Then will then enjoy the HELL out of trying to claim "See? We were right! Trump was President,and because of that America went all to hell!"
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I still think this whole tweet thing is a game of "Kitty Laser Pointer" play. Trump points the laser at somebody's hind-end, and the cats are predictably lunging for it.
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Yeah that's bullcrap. The administration is always involved neck deep in committee. He knows what's up long before it goes to a vote in the congress.
@roamer_1
Want a little cheese to go with that whine?
"Hit's all his falts causen other people did stuff and he didn't stop them!"
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@mrpotatohead
That IS their plan!
And they are going to do it while whining "It ain't MY fault! I thought Santa was going to bail us out!"
Then will then enjoy the HELL out of trying to claim "See? We were right! Trump was President,and because of that America went all to hell!"
Not my plan. I am with almost every certainty going to vote. Just not for the moron that spent more money than Obama... And not for the guy with Alzheimer's.
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@roamer_1
Want a little cheese to go with that whine?
"Hit's all his falts causen other people did stuff and he didn't stop them!"
What are you talking about? Your statement was incorrect and I gave you facts.
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Not my plan. I am with almost every certainty going to vote. Just not for the moron that spent more money than Obama... And not for the guy with Alzheimer's.
@roamer_1
So,which fictional character are you voting for? Aquaman? Superman? Santa?
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@roamer_1
So,which fictional character are you voting for? Aquaman? Superman? Santa?
Don't know yet. Don't care yet. But I can guarantee he'll be an actual Conservative.
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I still think this whole tweet thing is a game of "Kitty Laser Pointer" play. Trump points the laser at somebody's hind-end, and the cats are predictably lunging for it.
Please.... don't insult cats by comparing them to the idiot left. They are much smarter than any leftist.....
which, come to think of it... isn't saying much.
Nevermind.
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Wrong end of the Dark Continent. Rhodesia cannot be confused with the "Cradle of Civilization" that is the Middle East. Until the Colony, Rhodesia was just a large conglomeration of huts made out of mud and sticks. They are doing their level best to "get back to their roots."
Ohhh...
I thought Rhodesia was a was a slur type slang thing of a or the condition of being rode hard and put away wet. :shrug:
I need to learn more history. The connection between some things in South America and Gobekli Tepe is interesting. I watched that a little while ago.
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Don't know yet. Don't care yet. But I can guarantee he'll be an actual Conservative.
My money is on Skeletor.
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I mourn the loss of the great number one superpower Zimbabwe.
To think that world-spanning great civilization is gone that built EVERYTHING and brought us the two things we really needed most.
Sliced bread and Jesus Christ.
Wait...did I just repeat myself?
Another allegorically charged comment just flew over your head. No one is comparing U.S to Zimbabwe outside of massive idiotic fiscal policy.
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Another allegorically charged comment just flew over your head. No one is comparing U.S to Zimbabwe outside of massive idiotic fiscal policy.
@catfish1957 @bigheadfred
Well,............
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Another allegorically charged comment just flew over your head. No one is comparing U.S to Zimbabwe outside of massive idiotic fiscal policy.
Ok. I get that you think I don't get it.
How much are the interest payments on the War on Terror?
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Ok. I get that you think I don't get it.
How much are the interest payments on the War on Terror?
So, how is the interest payment on WOT related (Which is huge btw) relative to my original statement on Zimbabwe , U.S comparions? Again outside idiotic fiscal policy, where are they similar? Stay focused man.
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So, how is the interest payment on WOT related (Which is huge btw) relative to my original statement on Zimbabwe , U.S comparions? Again outside idiotic fiscal policy, where are they similar? Stay focused man.
I had the reaction to your allegory to Zimbabwe disinteresting. I don't agree with what is happening now. I heartily disagree.
My point about the relativity of the cost of the WOT is that there is NO ACCOUNTABILITY where the money is going.
The last 20 years has only cost (rounding) to $7 trillion dollars. But I think back to the remark made by Donald Rumsfeld. But here, more current.
https://www.city-journal.org/html/americas-missing-money-15725.html (https://www.city-journal.org/html/americas-missing-money-15725.html)
Terrence Leveck
February 16, 2018
America’s Missing Money
Take from this what you will.
I'm not going to cherry pick any of the assertions made in the article.
My main point is that unaccountable or unaccounted trillions have already been "spent" (and still are) before the current shitshow.
IMO, the last horse out of the barn left 20 years ago.
I've been trying to get a sense on the world economy. In relation to the strength of the Dollar.
We live in strange times. But, in the broader scheme. Think about it. How many HUNDREDS of millions of people died in the last 100 years because of the different field tests of the same idea? Communism is Communism no matter how you dress it. And the ONLY way to address it is to kill it. KILL IT.
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I had the reaction to your allegory to Zimbabwe disinteresting. I don't agree with what is happening now. I heartily disagree.
My point about the relativity of the cost of the WOT is that there is NO ACCOUNTABILITY where the money is going.
The last 20 years has only cost (rounding) to $7 trillion dollars. But I think back to the remark made by Donald Rumsfeld. But here, more current.
https://www.city-journal.org/html/americas-missing-money-15725.html (https://www.city-journal.org/html/americas-missing-money-15725.html)
Terrence Leveck
February 16, 2018
America’s Missing Money
Take from this what you will.
I'm not going to cherry pick any of the assertions made in the article.
My main point is that unaccountable or unaccounted trillions have already been "spent" (and still are) before the current shitshow.
IMO, the last horse out of the barn left 20 years ago.
I've been trying to get a sense on the world economy. In relation to the strength of the Dollar.
We live in strange times. But, in the broader scheme. Think about it. How many HUNDREDS of millions of people died in the last 100 years because of the different field tests of the same idea? Communism is Communism no matter how you dress it. And the ONLY way to address it is to kill it. KILL IT.
Since the WOT is largely under UN control, thanks to bush, there is no accountability. All of the reconstruction money went thru the UN and was dolled out as they saw fit....
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Since the WOT is largely under UN control, thanks to bush, there is no accountability. All of the reconstruction money went thru the UN and was dolled out as they saw fit....
Actually NATO is running the show...not the UN.
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Actually NATO is running the show...not the UN.
@txradioguy
Is there any real practical difference?
I am asking because I honestly don't know. I am not trying to be snarky.
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Actually NATO is running the show...not the UN.
NATO is running the war but the UN is running the reconstruction, building roads, hotels, airports.... and the Chinese and Iran are getting all the contracts.
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NATO is running the war but the UN is running the reconstruction, building roads, hotels, airports.... and the Chinese and Iran are getting all the contracts.
:#@$%: :#@$%: :#@$%:
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Great. All f8ucking excuses.
All mouth and no balls.
Talk Talk Talk.
Such bullshit.
All of you are entitled. And you defend your entitlements. What so ever.
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@txradioguy
Is there any real practical difference?
I am asking because I honestly don't know. I am not trying to be snarky.
There’s is enough between the two to make a difference.
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NATO is running the war but the UN is running the reconstruction, building roads, hotels, airports.... and the Chinese and Iran are getting all the contracts.
The UN was nowhere to be seen in either Iraq or Afghanistan when I was deployed to either.
Please link to something to back up what you’re saying.
Because otherwise you’ve been feed some fiction posing as fact.
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The UN was nowhere to be seen in either Iraq or Afghanistan when I was deployed to either.
Please link to something to back up what you’re saying.
Because otherwise you’ve been feed some fiction posing as fact.
The United Nations Role in Afghanistan (https://www.sharnoffsglobalviews.com/the-united-nations-role-in-afghanistan/)
Specifically, the UN has been very effective in terms of supporting and funding education, health, environmental protection, agriculture development, employment, human resource development, reconstruction of public administration, technical cooperation, peacebuilding and reintegration, economic revitalization, private sector development, women empowerment and humanitarian aid. This, in turn, has vastly reduced poverty, although poverty and illiteracy remain crucial challenges.
https://www.sharnoffsglobalviews.com/the-united-nations-role-in-afghanistan/ (https://www.sharnoffsglobalviews.com/the-united-nations-role-in-afghanistan/)
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Even giving you the benefit of the doubt with a less than credible blog...it still doesn’t back up your original claims.