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Title: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on July 14, 2019, 09:33:58 am
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/these-republicans-signed-the-never-trump-letters-in-2016-now-some-are-having-second-thoughts/2019/07/12/a7e7a49a-a3ed-11e9-bd56-eac6bb02d01d_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/these-republicans-signed-the-never-trump-letters-in-2016-now-some-are-having-second-thoughts/2019/07/12/a7e7a49a-a3ed-11e9-bd56-eac6bb02d01d_story.html)

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Among those at the Reagan Institute retreat is Daniel Blumenthal, an American Enterprise Institute scholar who served at the Pentagon in the Bush administration. Last summer, Blumenthal was among the candidates whom Pompeo was considering to oversee East Asia affairs at the State Department. But his candidacy was derailed, at least in part, by the White House’s learning of his signature on the War on the Rocks letter, according to people familiar with the matter who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the subject.

Another foreign policy analyst who signed that letter said in an interview this week that he regrets his participation. This person, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to candidly discuss the issue, accused the letter organizers of turning their opposition to Trump into a “never-ending anti-Trump crusade” that continued after he took office and has vaulted some of them to media stardom while leaving others with limited professional options.

“I didn’t sign up for that,” this analyst said. “I learned my lesson. I’ve sworn off ever signing another letter I didn’t write.”

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I didn't oppose Trump because I thought I could make a buck for it.  I opposed Trump before the election because I thought he was an ugly human being.  After the election he proved it to me.

Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: libertybele on July 14, 2019, 11:41:32 am
At the end of the day, whether or not you voted for Trump in '16 in the general, or consider your self a Never Trumper, who are you going to vote for in 2020??  I think Trump will remain unopposed and certainly if not, who ever opposes him will lose. 

Not many options as it doesn't seem that there will be a worthwhile 3rd party who will have qualified in all 50 states, which leaves the choice between Trump or a DEM.  Personally, I can't think of any DEM that is worthy of my vote.

I have seriously considered just voting down ballot, but that doesn't accomplish my primary objective of stopping the left.  On the other hand Trump's failure on the border is very troubling and I am not convinced that he never intended to secure the border or build a wall.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on July 14, 2019, 02:22:03 pm
At the end of the day, whether or not you voted for Trump in '16 in the general, or consider your self a Never Trumper, who are you going to vote for in 2020??  I think Trump will remain unopposed and certainly if not, who ever opposes him will lose. 

Not many options as it doesn't seem that there will be a worthwhile 3rd party who will have qualified in all 50 states, which leaves the choice between Trump or a DEM.  Personally, I can't think of any DEM that is worthy of my vote.

I have seriously considered just voting down ballot, but that doesn't accomplish my primary objective of stopping the left.  On the other hand Trump's failure on the border is very troubling and I am not convinced that he never intended to secure the border or build a wall.

I didn't vote in 2016, or 2018.  I don't expect to vote in 2020.  I can't think of any DEM or REP that is worthy of my vote.  Neither party has earned it.  I live in the swing state of Wisconsin.  Trump probably needs WI to win in 2020, but we have no Governor or Senate race next year.  I suspect only the bases will be voting next Nov in WI.  It will be a battle to dehumanize the other party the most effectively, not a battle of ideas, or accomplishments.  I'm sick of both parties and the negative ads have not even started. 

Every election I'm told that this election is the most important election of our lifetimes.  2020 will be the least important election of my lifetime.  There will be nothing for me to vote for.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Axeslinger on July 14, 2019, 02:36:30 pm
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/these-republicans-signed-the-never-trump-letters-in-2016-now-some-are-having-second-thoughts/2019/07/12/a7e7a49a-a3ed-11e9-bd56-eac6bb02d01d_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/these-republicans-signed-the-never-trump-letters-in-2016-now-some-are-having-second-thoughts/2019/07/12/a7e7a49a-a3ed-11e9-bd56-eac6bb02d01d_story.html)

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I didn't oppose Trump because I thought I could make a buck for it.  I opposed Trump before the election because I thought he was an ugly human being.

I opposed and did not vote for trump in 2016 because:
I KNEW he was an ugly human being,
I didn’t trust him to govern conservatively
I also thought that he would do long term damage to conservatism.


I still believe him to be an ugly human being
He has governed FAR more conservatively than I ever thought he would.  Perfectly? No.  But he’s done far more to try and move the ball to the right than any president in a LONG time.
The jury is still out on long term damage to conservatism, but that is more a function of how he is being portrayed (and, in truth,  sometimes allowing himself to be portrayed) than a function of his conservative actions.

Long story short...I will be voting for him in 2020.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: skeeter on July 14, 2019, 02:42:33 pm
I still believe him to be an ugly human being
He has governed FAR more conservatively than I ever thought he would.  Perfectly? No.  But he’s done far more to try and move the ball to the right than any president in a LONG time.
The jury is still out on long term damage to conservatism, but that is more a function of how he is being portrayed (and, in truth,  sometimes allowing himself to be portrayed) than a function of his conservative actions.

Long story short...I will be voting for him in 2020.

You have to play with the hand you're dealt.

The only other option is to quit and if you choose to do that, while you may not forfeit the right to speak your mind, you certainly shouldn't expect to be listened to.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on July 14, 2019, 02:48:16 pm
I opposed and did not vote for trump in 2016 because:
I KNEW he was an ugly human being,
I didn’t trust him to govern conservatively
I also thought that he would do long term damage to conservatism.


I still believe him to be an ugly human being
He has governed FAR more conservatively than I ever thought he would.  Perfectly? No.  But he’s done far more to try and move the ball to the right than any president in a LONG time.
The jury is still out on long term damage to conservatism, but that is more a function of how he is being portrayed (and, in truth,  sometimes allowing himself to be portrayed) than a function of his conservative actions.

Long story short...I will be voting for him in 2020.

We agree he is trying.
I will send him a participation award when he leaves office.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on July 14, 2019, 02:50:16 pm
You have to play with the hand you're dealt.

The only other option is to quit and if you choose to do that, while you may not forfeit the right to speak your mind, you certainly shouldn't expect to be listened to.
I'm long past the point expecting much of anything from my fellow Americans.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: skeeter on July 14, 2019, 02:51:34 pm
I'm long past the point expecting much of anything from my fellow Americans.

Leaving me to wonder what you expect.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on July 14, 2019, 02:59:27 pm
Leaving me to wonder what you expect.
Self awareness, and critical thinking.  A choice other than poison or razor blades and warm tub.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: libertybele on July 14, 2019, 02:59:31 pm
I'm long past the point expecting much of anything from my fellow Americans.

WE fellow Americans ARE this country.  To throw in the towel and not participate and NOT hold anyone accountable and responsible IS exactly why we find ourselves in the turmoil that we are experiencing.  I'm not so sure that this country is going to survive a DEM should one be seated in 2020.  With Trump we may (and that's an awfully big may) still have a slight chance of holding on to this Republic.

@Once-Ler I would NEVER suggest you NOT vote your conscious or NOT abstain from voting if that is what you want to do.  All I am merely pointing out is had we long ago voted out the aholes that are still in office we just might be in a better place.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: skeeter on July 14, 2019, 03:01:31 pm
Self awareness, and critical thinking.  A choice other than poison or razor blades and warm tub.

Yes, where did those critical thinking skills that brought us Woodrow Wilson, FDR and Jimmy Carter go.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on July 14, 2019, 03:06:57 pm
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Brandon Straka
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“In January of 2017, I bitterly proclaimed on social media that I would never be able to understand how anybody could vote for a man who stood before a cheering crowd & mocked a reporter’s disability. That’s when somebody sent me this...”  SEE FULL VIDEO: http://youtu.be/ssNEJD3xC8A (http://youtu.be/ssNEJD3xC8A)

9:32 PM - 11 Jul 2019

https://twitter.com/usminority/status/1149536949662674944 (https://twitter.com/usminority/status/1149536949662674944)
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on July 14, 2019, 03:11:05 pm
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssNEJD3xC8A&feature=youtu.be#)
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on July 14, 2019, 03:26:01 pm
@Once-Ler I would NEVER suggest you NOT vote your conscious or NOT abstain from voting if that is what you want to do.  All I am merely pointing out is had we long ago voted out the aholes that are still in office we just might be in a better place.

I don't fault you for believing as you do either.  The House had huge turnover in 2018 but the vast majority were re-elected and I'm not that happy with the replacements.

When Clinton gave his SOTU speech in 1995, after the GOP took control of the Congress, he said "The era of Big Government is over."  He recognized that voters were unhappy with his course and later signed an end to AFDC.  After campaigning against Campaign Finance Reform and promising a VETO Dubya signed McCain/Feingold because the voters demanded it.  They took their responsibility as President of the USA seriously.  This President has no self awareness and less empathy.  Nothing good can come from him.

Warnings that a rat President would be worse when Trump is awful didn't convince me in 2016 and just don't work for me anymore.

Some how we have to get to a point where both sides can win something and do something marginally good, rather than just oppose what the other side wants just because they want it. 

Owning the libs is not enough to earn my vote and that is all the GOP is offering me.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2019, 03:28:33 pm
WE fellow Americans ARE this country.  To throw in the towel and not participate and NOT hold anyone accountable and responsible IS exactly why we find ourselves in the turmoil that we are experiencing.  I'm not so sure that this country is going to survive a DEM should one be seated in 2020.  With Trump we may (and that's an awfully big may) still have a slight chance of holding on to this Republic.

@Once-Ler I would NEVER suggest you NOT vote your conscious or NOT abstain from voting if that is what you want to do.  All I am merely pointing out is had we long ago voted out the aholes that are still in office we just might be in a better place.

That is exactly bass-ackwards @libertybele
They should have never been voted in in the first place.
The pragmatism of lesser evil is why we are where we are.
If you are making excuses when explaining your vote, you are part of the problem.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on July 14, 2019, 03:37:50 pm
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Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on July 14, 2019, 03:41:15 pm
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ssNEJD3xC8A&feature=youtu.be#)
I'm not gonna watch it but I'm curious if the video has anything to do with NeverTrump?
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on July 14, 2019, 03:44:41 pm
I'm not gonna watch it but I'm curious if the video has anything to do with NeverTrump?

Yes.



Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on July 14, 2019, 03:59:22 pm
Yes.
It does not.
You tricked me into watching a homosexual tell me Trump is not a serial liar who engages in flagrant immorality and flaunts it.
It's not true and my opinions about abortion, 2nd amendment, and patriotism won't allow me to ignore it.
Shame on you. :nono:
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: libertybele on July 14, 2019, 06:04:02 pm
That is exactly bass-ackwards @libertybele
They should have never been voted in in the first place.
The pragmatism of lesser evil is why we are where we are.
If you are making excuses when explaining your vote, you are part of the problem.

Absolutely they should have never been voted for in the first place.  The point I was trying to make is to keep voting for them just because they are Republican in name IS the problem; so yes, voting for the lesser evil IS exactly why we are here.

Unfortunately, we ARE here.  The left is even more radical then ever and we have 2 Muslims in office and we have an illegal situation in this country as never seen before.  So ... do we work with what little conservatism may be remaining, or do we simply throw in the towel and walk away and get ready to lock and load once our Republic completely crumbles and we are overrun by terrorists? 

You are in a much better place than most., so perhaps it really doesn't matter much to you.  Lots of us are in heavily populated cities or are surrounded by heavily populated cities.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on July 14, 2019, 06:29:04 pm
It does not. 

Of course it does.  A former NeverTrumper explains in the video why he has left that plantation.

And, he does a fine job of it.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2019, 06:33:53 pm
Absolutely they should have never been voted for in the first place.  The point I was trying to make is to keep voting for them just because they are Republican in name IS the problem; so yes, voting for the lesser evil IS exactly why we are here.

Unfortunately, we ARE here.  The left is even more radical then ever and we have 2 Muslims in office and we have an illegal situation in this country as never seen before.  So ... do we work with what little conservatism may be remaining, or do we simply throw in the towel and walk away and get ready to lock and load once our Republic completely crumbles and we are overrun by terrorists? 

You are in a much better place than most., so perhaps it really doesn't matter much to you.  Lots of us are in heavily populated cities or are surrounded by heavily populated cities.

It doesn't matter - Nothing changes without actually CHANGING. You'rs is the new excuse to vote for the status quo - the fear of total loss votes for incremental loss, which is loss all the same.

Throw the bastards out. With prejudice. And stop voting for what you don't want just because it is in some small part 'better' than the other guy.

The only thing that will fix a single damn thing is to install real statesmen instead of mere politicians.
I for one will put up with it no longer.  Statesmen, dammit, or we're all lost anyway.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on July 14, 2019, 06:41:54 pm
Of course it does.  A former NeverTrumper explains in the video why he has left that plantation.

And, he does a fine job of it.

He isn't a former NeverTrumper.  He never said "NeverTrumper"...He said former Democrat.  Did YOU watch it?
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: libertybele on July 14, 2019, 06:48:19 pm
It doesn't matter - Nothing changes without actually CHANGING. You'rs is the new excuse to vote for the status quo - the fear of total loss votes for incremental loss, which is loss all the same.

Throw the bastards out. With prejudice. And stop voting for what you don't want just because it is in some small part 'better' than the other guy.

The only thing that will fix a single damn thing is to install real statesmen instead of mere politicians.
I for one will put up with it no longer.  Statesmen, dammit, or we're all lost anyway.

No not an excuse.  I sincerely believe that we are on the brink and quite honestly, there doesn't seem to be enough statesman willing to run for office in the first place.  In the miraculous event that we somehow manage to throw the 'bastards' out -- who is going to replace them?  More DEMS?  More RINO's??  There isn't anyone worthwhile even willing to stand up to challenge Trump.  So, do you honestly expect all of a sudden an overwhelming number of statesman coming forward to challenge the RINO's and good for nothings within the GOP?  Not going to happen.

The only distant solution, that may not even be feasible at this point, is if those conservatives within the GOP vacate their seats and join the Constitution Party.  The clock is ticking and I think it is even far too late for that to happen.

So that really brings us back to reality.  Either you don't vote.  You vote for Trump.  You vote for DEM.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: skeeter on July 14, 2019, 06:55:15 pm
No not an excuse.  I sincerely believe that we are on the brink and quite honestly, there doesn't seem to be enough statesman willing to run for office in the first place.  In the miraculous event that we somehow manage to throw the 'bastards' out -- who is going to replace them?  More DEMS?  More RINO's??  There isn't anyone worthwhile even willing to stand up to challenge Trump.  So, do you honestly expect all of a sudden an overwhelming number of statesman coming forward to challenge the RINO's and good for nothings within the GOP?  Not going to happen.

The only distant solution, that may not even be feasible at this point, is if those conservatives within the GOP vacate their seats and join the Constitution Party.  The clock is ticking and I think it is even far too late for that to happen.

So that really brings us back to reality.  Either you don't vote.  You vote for Trump.  You vote for DEM.

Were you the one who recently posted ‘I stand against the progressive left’? I think that’s a simple yet brilliant response to those who question the purity of those of us who believe that participation by making the most of the choices available to us is the most productive course.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: libertybele on July 14, 2019, 06:58:59 pm
Were you the one who recently posted ‘I stand against the progressive left’? I think that’s a simple yet brilliant response to those who question the purity of those of us who believe that participation by making the most of the choices available to us is the most productive course.

Yes.  I stand against the progressive left.  Anyone with me?
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: skeeter on July 14, 2019, 07:02:28 pm
Yes.  I stand against the progressive left.  Anyone with me?

 :raise hand:
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2019, 07:03:37 pm
So that really brings us back to reality.  Either you don't vote.  You vote for Trump.  You vote for DEM.

And my answer to that is, "What's the difference?"
Just on the money, and only the money, the lack of difference is sure destruction any direction you go.

Folks just have to get serious here. Either it becomes serious enough that folks stop voting for clowns (like Tump) and demand representatives that at the very least know how to reduce spending and balance a budget or we are doomed beyond doom.

And that's just a fact.
All this bullshit is just a waste of time.
Time we do not have.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2019, 07:06:13 pm
Were you the one who recently posted ‘I stand against the progressive left’? I think that’s a simple yet brilliant response to those who question the purity of those of us who believe that participation by making the most of the choices available to us is the most productive course.

It means nothing.
Seriously.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: skeeter on July 14, 2019, 07:09:32 pm
It means nothing.
Seriously.

To you, of that I am painfully aware.

Many of us see some progress being made that wouldn’t have been had we followed your advise.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2019, 07:12:46 pm
To you, of that I am painfully aware.

Many of us see some progress being made that wouldn’t have been had we followed your advise.

All that 'progress' means nothing at all if the country goes the way of Venezuela.
It's all plastic-banana bullcrap, gone tomorrow, with the wind.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: libertybele on July 14, 2019, 07:14:42 pm
And my answer to that is, "What's the difference?"
Just on the money, and only the money, the lack of difference is sure destruction any direction you go.

Folks just have to get serious here. Either it becomes serious enough that folks stop voting for clowns (like Tump) and demand representatives that at the very least know how to reduce spending and balance a budget or we are doomed beyond doom.

And that's just a fact.
All this bullshit is just a waste of time.
Time we do not have.

Well, in essence either way we go we are probably doomed.  Only difference that I see, is voting for Trump we may have a slight chance to save this Republic.  Voting against Trump, we will certainly lose our Republic.

Which reminds me of that last time that I didn't vote for either candidate in the case of McCain v. Obama.  I could not bring myself to pull the lever for McCain.  My stance at the time was that both would destroy this country; Obama would just destroy it a little quicker than McCain.  I think I was absolutely correct.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2019, 07:22:51 pm
Well, in essence either way we go we are probably doomed.  Only difference that I see, is voting for Trump we may have a slight chance to save this Republic.  Voting against Trump, we will certainly lose our Republic.


Neither is true. And neither makes any damn difference at all.

The fact of the matter is that if we have not already crossed the threshold, we are standing upon it. We must act now, drastically, to slash spending to the bone and right our monetary house, or all the rest is just smoke and mirrors. We are closing in on a condition that the dollar is so demonetized and the amount of interest alone is so high, that we CANNOT cover it. Understand that: We will not be able to cover even the interest.

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Which reminds me of that last time that I didn't vote for either candidate in the case of McCain v. Obama.  I could not bring myself to pull the lever for McCain.  My stance at the time was that both would destroy this country; Obama would just destroy it a little quicker than McCain.  I think I was absolutely correct.

Bah. Hard to quantify that, because you can only know the one outcome. You have no idea what McCain't would have done.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: skeeter on July 14, 2019, 07:22:53 pm
All that 'progress' means nothing at all if the country goes the way of Venezuela.
It's all plastic-banana bullcrap, gone tomorrow, with the wind.

We agree. I just refuse to roll into the fetal position yet.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2019, 07:24:53 pm
We agree. I just refuse to roll into the fetal position yet.

Who is in the fetal position?

I just refuse to support the illusion.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: skeeter on July 14, 2019, 07:26:42 pm
Who is in the fetal position?

I just refuse to support the illusion.

What ARE you doing?
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: musiclady on July 14, 2019, 07:29:04 pm
Well, in essence either way we go we are probably doomed.  Only difference that I see, is voting for Trump we may have a slight chance to save this Republic.  Voting against Trump, we will certainly lose our Republic.

Which reminds me of that last time that I didn't vote for either candidate in the case of McCain v. Obama.  I could not bring myself to pull the lever for McCain.  My stance at the time was that both would destroy this country; Obama would just destroy it a little quicker than McCain.  I think I was absolutely correct.

I didn’t vote for Trump and am not likely to again because the primary reasons I voted against him still exist.

That said, I sometimes wonder if he wants to be re-elected.  He’s got the election in the bag because of the radical bozos running for the dem nomination.

But he keeps saying idiotic things and firing up the left, and reminding independents why they don’t like him.

If he just shut up, he’d win.  :shrug:
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2019, 07:41:09 pm
What ARE you doing?

I have almost folded up in politics. It's a waste of time. Won't be rolling out the cold calls to business contacts this term, for the first time ever. Last term was reduced, but this term, nothing. Won't be organizing regionally either. I am out.

Not all the way out. I will work with the Constitution party a little bit and see how that goes. But Republicans, even regionally, nope... Not gonna find em a thin dime.

And that goes for Right to Life too - which is another waste of time. I have resigned from that too. No more think tanks, and no more fund raising for any of them.

So I am down to local, and most of that is in the churches more than political arms... Where I can see the changes made, and where my help goes directly to the needy.

I may rejigger for something like that instead, regionally, but politics is a dead hole. There is nothing conservative left.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Bigun on July 14, 2019, 07:54:11 pm
I opposed and did not vote for trump in 2016 because:
I KNEW he was an ugly human being,
I didn’t trust him to govern conservatively
I also thought that he would do long term damage to conservatism.


I still believe him to be an ugly human being
He has governed FAR more conservatively than I ever thought he would.  Perfectly? No.  But he’s done far more to try and move the ball to the right than any president in a LONG time.
The jury is still out on long term damage to conservatism, but that is more a function of how he is being portrayed (and, in truth,  sometimes allowing himself to be portrayed) than a function of his conservative actions.

Long story short...I will be voting for him in 2020.

Exact same boat @Axeslinger !  Move over! 
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: skeeter on July 14, 2019, 07:55:37 pm
I have almost folded up in politics. It's a waste of time. Won't be rolling out the cold calls to business contacts this term, for the first time ever. Last term was reduced, but this term, nothing. Won't be organizing regionally either. I am out.

Not all the way out. I will work with the Constitution party a little bit and see how that goes. But Republicans, even regionally, nope... Not gonna find em a thin dime.

And that goes for Right to Life too - which is another waste of time. I have resigned from that too. No more think tanks, and no more fund raising for any of them.

So I am down to local, and most of that is in the churches more than political arms... Where I can see the changes made, and where my help goes directly to the needy.

I may rejigger for something like that instead, regionally, but politics is a dead hole. There is nothing conservative left.

I think I understand. But there is no reason for you to hold those of us still having some vestige of faith in the system in such contempt.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: jpsb on July 14, 2019, 07:57:02 pm
Well, in essence either way we go we are probably doomed.  Only difference that I see, is voting for Trump we may have a slight chance to save this Republic.  Voting against Trump, we will certainly lose our Republic.

Which reminds me of that last time that I didn't vote for either candidate in the case of McCain v. Obama.  I could not bring myself to pull the lever for McCain.  My stance at the time was that both would destroy this country; Obama would just destroy it a little quicker than McCain.  I think I was absolutely correct.

you were correct
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2019, 07:58:03 pm
I think I understand. But there is no reason for you to hold those of us still having some vestige of faith in the system in such contempt.

Sure there is, as long as it holds the illusion of conservatism.
Quit calling it conservative, and I will shut right up.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Bigun on July 14, 2019, 07:58:49 pm
Neither is true. And neither makes any damn difference at all.

The fact of the matter is that if we have not already crossed the threshold, we are standing upon it. We must act now, drastically, to slash spending to the bone and right our monetary house, or all the rest is just smoke and mirrors. We are closing in on a condition that the dollar is so demonetized and the amount of interest alone is so high, that we CANNOT cover it. Understand that: We will not be able to cover even the interest.



Who's running that is even remotely likely to do that?  I'll vote for that person if he/she exists.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2019, 08:03:44 pm
Who's running that is even remotely likely to do that?  I'll vote for that person if he/she exists.

Beats me who's running. I ain't even paying attention yet.
But I can predict the Constitution party will be talking like that.

The point being that the Republicans are not even in that universe.
Lip service at best. And Tumpy too.

There isn't hardly a fiscal conservative left.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: skeeter on July 14, 2019, 08:06:10 pm
Sure there is, as long as it holds the illusion of conservatism.

Odd reaction. Anyway right back atcha then.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Bigun on July 14, 2019, 08:09:26 pm
Beats me who's running. I ain't even paying attention yet.
But I can predict the Constitution party will be talking like that.

The point being that the Republicans are not even in that universe.
Lip service at best. And Tumpy too.

There isn't hardly a fiscal conservative left.

That's what I thought.  You got nothing.  I'll be voting for Trump in 2020 because something is always better than nothing in my book.  A jackrabbit in the bag is better than three whitetails in the bushes.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2019, 08:14:09 pm
Odd reaction. Anyway right back atcha then.

WHICH conservative principles are being defended by this administration, or the Republicans at large?
Go ahead. I'll wait. It shouldn't take very long as you don't even have to worry about fiscal conservatism, which is wholly absent.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2019, 08:15:21 pm
That's what I thought.  You got nothing.  I'll be voting for Trump in 2020 because something is always better than nothing in my book.  A jackrabbit in the bag is better than three whitetails in the bushes.

So you've got nothing too.
Well there ya go.'
 :beer:
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: musiclady on July 14, 2019, 08:19:01 pm
I think I understand. But there is no reason for you to hold those of us still having some vestige of faith in the system in such contempt.

@skeeter

Then why is it so common for Republicans like you to hold in contempt those who are no longer tolerant of the fact that the Republican party is not interested in anything we think or do?

Serious question.

Because I'm in the same boat with @roamer_1  .......... though more recently at the point he has been for a while.
There is no one in either party who represents me, or in my view, the Constitutional principles this country was founded upon.

Why hold in contempt those who have said, no more to a political party that apparently is without standards?
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: skeeter on July 14, 2019, 08:19:57 pm
WHICH conservative principles are being defended by this administration, or the Republicans at large?
Go ahead. I'll wait. It shouldn't take very long as you don't even have to worry about fiscal conservatism, which is wholly absent.

I've played this game with you before. All you do is regurgitate your SUBJECTIVE OPINION in response, passed off as fact.

No thanks. You have no corner on the market for truth.

Fact is you, sneering from the sidelines, professes contempt for those of us who believe in doing something, anything to move our beliefs forward. Not impressed.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: skeeter on July 14, 2019, 08:25:14 pm
@skeeter

Then why is it so common for Republicans like you to hold in contempt those who are no longer tolerant of the fact that the Republican party is not interested in anything we think or do?

Serious question.

Because I'm in the same boat with @roamer_1  .......... though more recently at the point he has been for a while.
There is no one in either party who represents me, or in my view, the Constitutional principles this country was founded upon.

Why hold in contempt those who have said, no more to a political party that apparently is without standards?

I disagree with your premise.

I speak only for myself, and I REACT to criticism. Go ahead and support no one, while I don't agree I really don't care enough to comment unless asked/provoked. I see many others here doing the same.

But don't tell me I lack principles/standards/morals/whatever because I choose to support with my vote the best available choice.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Bigun on July 14, 2019, 08:30:10 pm
@skeeter

Then why is it so common for Republicans like you to hold in contempt those who are no longer tolerant of the fact that the Republican party is not interested in anything we think or do?

Serious question.

Because I'm in the same boat with @roamer_1  .......... though more recently at the point he has been for a while.
There is no one in either party who represents me, or in my view, the Constitutional principles this country was founded upon.

Why hold in contempt those who have said, no more to a political party that apparently is without standards?

I don't get why disagreement,  even strong at times, somehow equals contempt.   Just me.

I strongly disagree with one element of @roamer_1 s argument  ( refusing to vote for Trump because he isn't perfect)  but I would happily share a campfire with him anytime.  Hope he feels the same.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: corbe on July 14, 2019, 08:46:04 pm
   After what happened to Cruz in Texas in 2018, I will be voting for Trump in 2020, 38 Electoral Votes is nothing to sneeze at, it's important.  (Don't tell RiV and DCP.)
   

(http://www.constitutionparty.com/assets/master_cp_white_round_transparent_logo.png)

My party is still a few dollars short and a year or two late.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: libertybele on July 14, 2019, 08:47:50 pm
I didn’t vote for Trump and am not likely to again because the primary reasons I voted against him still exist.

That said, I sometimes wonder if he wants to be re-elected.  He’s got the election in the bag because of the radical bozos running for the dem nomination.

But he keeps saying idiotic things and firing up the left, and reminding independents why they don’t like him.

If he just shut up, he’d win.  :shrug:

I have often wondered if Trump wants to be re-elected; but he has announced he's running for re-election and held a rally which was packed (as usual).

I don't think he's got the election in the bag, because of the leftist bozos running.  I think candidates like Harris and Castro need to be taken very seriously...perhaps even Biden.  Recall how narrowly Cruz won in TX and consider how quickly the demographics are changing; many residents are fleeing blue states into more affordable red states.  Those states that were solid red before could very easily turn purple.

Also, I think the blatant mid term corruption that was on display was just a taste of what we'll see in 2020.

The 2020 election is going to be a very tough win for Trump and the GOP and quite possibly the last time that the GOP will ever be seated due to changing demographics and the surge of asylum seekers that will be eligible for citizenship by the 2024 election.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: libertybele on July 14, 2019, 08:57:38 pm
   After what happened to Cruz in Texas in 2018, I will be voting for Trump in 2020, 38 Electoral Votes is nothing to sneeze at, it's important.  (Don't tell RiV and DCP.)
   

(http://www.constitutionparty.com/assets/master_cp_white_round_transparent_logo.png)

My party is still a few dollars short and a year or two late.

They have never been able to acquire ballot access in all 50 states.  I received an e-mail from them awhile ago stating that they were thinking of changing their platform to attract more voters.  I voiced by objection and I have not heard from them since.

It is very unfortunate, but they have never received even 1% of the vote.

I did vote for the Constitution Party in 2008.  That was the year that they received the most votes ever.

Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2019, 08:58:27 pm
Fact is you, sneering from the sidelines, professes contempt for those of us who believe in doing something, anything to move our beliefs forward. Not impressed.

Then obviously your beliefs are different than my own, and there is nothing left to say.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: skeeter on July 14, 2019, 09:05:03 pm
Then obviously your beliefs are different than my own, and there is nothing left to say.

I suspect it is our respective temperaments that are different.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2019, 09:09:07 pm
I don't get why disagreement,  even strong at times, somehow equals contempt.   Just me.

I strongly disagree with one element of @roamer_1 s argument  ( refusing to vote for Trump because he isn't perfect)  but I would happily share a campfire with him anytime.  Hope he feels the same.

It isn't that he isn't perfect - no man is.
But not being perfect is different than being a man of low moral character.
Add to that that he is hawking an illusion and walking folks down the garden path, and THAT is why I refuse - I never go down the garden path. I know what's at the end of that.
And soon friend, you will too.

As to the rest, you are welcome at my fire anytime. Or on my porch.
We agree on way more than we disagree on.
 :beer:
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Bigun on July 14, 2019, 09:11:00 pm
It isn't that he isn't perfect - no man is.
But not being perfect is different than being a man of low moral character.
Add to that that he is hawking an illusion and walking folks down the garden path, and THAT is why I refuse - I never go down the garden path. I know what's at the end of that.
And soon friend, you will too.

As to the rest, you are welcome at my fire anytime. Or on my porch.
We agree on way more than we disagree on.
 :beer:  :beer:

 888high58888
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2019, 09:12:08 pm
I suspect it is our respective temperaments that are different.

No, you have stated that I held contempt for you because you are pushing your beliefs forward - The only contempt I have shown ever toward any individual because of beliefs are those antithetical to my own.

If you are in that camp, then so be it.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: skeeter on July 14, 2019, 09:14:39 pm
No, you have stated that I held contempt for you because you are pushing your beliefs forward - The only contempt I have shown ever toward any individual because of beliefs are those antithetical to my own.

If you are in that camp, then so be it.

No thats not what I stated, and the only belief I have which seems to be antithetical to your own is a belief that some good can still be gained from the system we have. For THAT you have expressed contempt for ME.

So be it.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2019, 09:22:28 pm
For THAT you have expressed contempt for ME.

Bullshit.

I very rarely direct my ire at !YOU!, regardless of the !YOU! I am speaking to.

I have expressed great contempt for Tumpy the clown.
I have expressed  great contempt for the Republican party (*SPIT*)
I have even sneered contemptuously at the undying fealty of Trumpeteers.
None of that is !YOU!.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: skeeter on July 14, 2019, 09:24:37 pm
Bullshit.

I very rarely direct my ire at !YOU!, regardless of the !YOU! I am speaking to.

I have expressed great contempt for Tumpy the clown.
I have expressed  great contempt for the Republican party (*SPIT*)
I have even sneered contemptuously at the undying fealty of Trumpeteers.
None of that is !YOU!.

Me: I think I understand. But there is no reason for you to hold those of us still having some vestige of faith in the system in such contempt.

You: Sure there is, as long as it holds the illusion of conservatism.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2019, 09:29:26 pm
Me: I think I understand. But there is no reason for you to hold those of us still having some vestige of faith in the system in such contempt.

You: Sure there is, as long as it holds the illusion of conservatism.

That is not !YOU!.
You just figger the shoe fits.

And again, you are welcome to show me which principles of conservatism are being upheld by this administration and by the Republican party at large - And I am really interested in what that could be.

Because according to my 50+ years, Republicans haven't done a damn thing.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2019, 09:42:29 pm
@skeeter

To clarify:

'Those of us' is a group, not a !YOU!
That you happen to include yourself in that group, it is still a group, not !YOU!.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: corbe on July 14, 2019, 09:46:13 pm
    O/T I want to take this opportunity to Thank @roamer_1 on that tip months ago about upgrading to Win10 for free.  :beer:

    *He's got hacks like a Russian.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: musiclady on July 14, 2019, 09:50:44 pm
I disagree with your premise.

I speak only for myself, and I REACT to criticism. Go ahead and support no one, while I don't agree I really don't care enough to comment unless asked/provoked. I see many others here doing the same.

But don't tell me I lack principles/standards/morals/whatever because I choose to support with my vote the best available choice.

I don't think you lack principles at all.

But you do voice a form of contempt when you say, "Go ahead and support no one."   That is not a fair assessment of what is going on with people who cannot support Trump.

It is not an either you support Trump or you support no one option here.

I'll gladly support a qualified conservative should one appear and run for President in 2020.

It's not got going to happen, but in saying that, it doesn't mean I support no one.

That is an insult, not a response.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2019, 09:50:59 pm
    O/T I want to take this opportunity to Thank @roamer_1 on that tip months ago about upgrading to Win10 for free.  :beer:

    *He's got hacks like a Russian.

Always happy to help, @corbe

But it's the Czechs, not the Russians...  :shrug:
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: musiclady on July 14, 2019, 09:54:49 pm
I don't get why disagreement,  even strong at times, somehow equals contempt.   Just me.

I strongly disagree with one element of @roamer_1 s argument  ( refusing to vote for Trump because he isn't perfect)  but I would happily share a campfire with him anytime.  Hope he feels the same.

All disagreement is not contempt. 

Some is.

There are a handful of people here (and on every forum) who cannot handle disagreement without slinging insults around.  You can.  I can.

btw, I was just responding in like kind to @skeeter 's comment that he was held in contempt (merely because of a disagreement with @roamer_1 ),by turning his insult around on him.

I don't think he got it, though.   :shrug:
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Bigun on July 14, 2019, 09:59:51 pm
All disagreement is not contempt. 

Some is.

There are a handful of people here (and on every forum) who cannot handle disagreement without slinging insults around.  You can.  I can.

btw, I was just responding in like kind to @skeeter 's comment that he was held in contempt (merely because of a disagreement with @roamer_1 ),by turning his insult around on him.

I don't think he got it, though.   :shrug:

 888high58888  got it!
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: skeeter on July 14, 2019, 10:00:12 pm
I don't think you lack principles at all.

But you do voice a form of contempt when you say, "Go ahead and support no one."   That is not a fair assessment of what is going on with people who cannot support Trump.

It is not an either you support Trump or you support no one option here.

I'll gladly support a qualified conservative should one appear and run for President in 2020.

It's not got going to happen, but in saying that, it doesn't mean I support no one.

That is an insult, not a response.

I apologize for insulting you. It was entirely inadvertent.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: musiclady on July 14, 2019, 10:01:33 pm
I have often wondered if Trump wants to be re-elected; but he has announced he's running for re-election and held a rally which was packed (as usual).

I don't think he's got the election in the bag, because of the leftist bozos running.  I think candidates like Harris and Castro need to be taken very seriously...perhaps even Biden.  Recall how narrowly Cruz won in TX and consider how quickly the demographics are changing; many residents are fleeing blue states into more affordable red states.  Those states that were solid red before could very easily turn purple.

Also, I think the blatant mid term corruption that was on display was just a taste of what we'll see in 2020.

The 2020 election is going to be a very tough win for Trump and the GOP and quite possibly the last time that the GOP will ever be seated due to changing demographics and the surge of asylum seekers that will be eligible for citizenship by the 2024 election.

Just to clarify....... I take the bozos seriously because there is a radical element in our country which wants to take power.

I just firmly believe that, with a solid economy, even though Trump is a complete jerk who continues to act like a jackass, he would win reelection over any one of them if he even came close to acting like a statesman, or even a decent human being.

He won in 2016 in spite of himself, and he could do it again, but he seems to be actively trying to lose by his idiocy.

I guess he is who he is, and it is hopeless to think he'll gain any self-control or maturity in the coming months.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: DCPatriot on July 14, 2019, 10:02:43 pm
Bullshit.

I very rarely direct my ire at !YOU!, regardless of the !YOU! I am speaking to.

I have expressed great contempt for Tumpy the clown.
I have expressed  great contempt for the Republican party (*SPIT*)
I have even sneered contemptuously at the undying fealty of Trumpeteers.
None of that is !YOU!.

Then one question, please?

When I, or somebody of like mind says "All !YOU! effing NeverTrumers can GFY"...does the post get removed and get jumped on by certain 'Moderators'?

 :shrug:


 :laugh:
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: musiclady on July 14, 2019, 10:03:05 pm
I apologize for insulting you. It was entirely inadvertent.

Apology gladly accepted.

There's a lot of inadvertent stuff that happens when we state strong beliefs.

It happens to everyone, methinks.....
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: musiclady on July 14, 2019, 10:03:45 pm
888high58888  got it!

 :beer:
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: roamer_1 on July 14, 2019, 10:08:15 pm
Then one question, please?

When I, or somebody of like mind says "All !YOU! effing NeverTrumers can GFY"...does the post get removed and get jumped on by certain 'Moderators'?

 :shrug:


 :laugh:


How would I know? I am not an admin.  :shrug:

Thankfully, being redneck, I can resort to 'all y'all' and that is definitively not !YOU!
 happy77

 :tongue2:
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: rustynail on July 14, 2019, 10:11:04 pm
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sONfxPCTU0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sONfxPCTU0#)
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: libertybele on July 14, 2019, 10:12:52 pm
In reading all the posts, I think there is one thing that most of us do agree on; the Republican Party has FAILED us miserably.  Perhaps I might be slightly younger than some in here, but even at that, it's been a very long time since I have not been disappointed in who I voted for, and perhaps even more so disappointed in who I have to select from.  I'm not just talking disappointment in the presidential candidates but senators, congressmen, governors, state legislators and representatives. 

Currently, there are very few GOP politicians that I am NOT disappointed in.  A very sad reality, but true.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: corbe on July 14, 2019, 10:14:52 pm
   I could be wrong @DCPatriot but I really don't think @roamer_1 told the Trumpers to 'GFT' and more significant, I don't think TBR practices the kind of discrimination you seem to allude to.
   We're all Equals here and more importantly, Friends.


   *but I've been wrong before.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: musiclady on July 14, 2019, 10:17:03 pm
   I could be wrong @DCPatriot but I really don't think @roamer_1 told the Trumpers to 'GFT' and more significant, I don't think TBR practices the kind of discrimination you seem to allude to.
   We're all Equals here and more importantly, Friends.


   *but I've been wrong before.

Not about this, my friend. 
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Bigun on July 14, 2019, 10:18:26 pm
Not about this, my friend.

 :yowsa:
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: DCPatriot on July 14, 2019, 10:33:58 pm

How would I know? I am not an admin.  :shrug:

Thankfully, being redneck, I can resort to 'all y'all' and that is definitively not !YOU!
 happy77

 :tongue2:

 :beer:    888high58888
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: DCPatriot on July 14, 2019, 10:36:04 pm
   I could be wrong @DCPatriot but I really don't think @roamer_1 told the Trumpers to 'GFT' and more significant, I don't think TBR practices the kind of discrimination you seem to allude to.
   We're all Equals here and more importantly, Friends.


   *but I've been wrong before.

@corbe

It was a joke, joker.   A joke!

If you're not going to comprehend what you're reading, please scroll on by.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: corbe on July 14, 2019, 10:38:13 pm
   Why are you Trumpers always making my Favorite pastime difficult? @DCPatriot  :shrug:
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Fishrrman on July 14, 2019, 10:51:17 pm
I enthusiastically voted for Mr. Trump in 2016, and will gladly do so again next year.
So there.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: skeeter on July 14, 2019, 10:57:01 pm
:beer:    888high58888

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91pz1E8pAOY#)
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: DCPatriot on July 14, 2019, 11:16:32 pm
   Why are you Trumpers always making my Favorite pastime difficult? @DCPatriot  :shrug:


(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/66505375_2436389366396283_8736943067614937088_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_oc=AQmEGUyrdg5EnHfpHFFFNUqDDR0S9gRs8HGQAevCP7L5t9OmPpFizhrGjEeqUBC3I2Q&_nc_ht=scontent-iad3-1.xx&oh=a276205f9163678b88af1920dd551522&oe=5DA16E3D)
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: corbe on July 14, 2019, 11:20:39 pm
(http://img.izismile.com/img/img6/20131112/640/hilarious_picture_and_word_combos_640_07.jpg)
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: jmyrlefuller on July 15, 2019, 12:00:23 am
   I could be wrong @DCPatriot but I really don't think @roamer_1 told the Trumpers to 'GFT' and more significant, I don't think TBR practices the kind of discrimination you seem to allude to.
   We're all Equals here and more importantly, Friends.


   *but I've been wrong before.
I, on the other hand, will gladly tell someone off if I'm in the mood.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: corbe on July 15, 2019, 12:23:30 am
I, on the other hand, will gladly tell someone off if I'm in the mood.

   We all do at times @jmyrlefuller regardless of which side of this dilemma we currently find ourselves on. 
   It's a feature not a bug, in the software.
   
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: catfish1957 on July 15, 2019, 12:37:57 am
I think Trump is a piece of human garbage.  Still garbage is better than a socialist country.  I will ultimately take a gas mask in the the poll booth and vote for him with nausea.

Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: corbe on July 15, 2019, 12:55:15 am
   @catfish1957 we're in the same chapter just not on the same page, The thought of Trump doesn't nauseate me, But just like in 2016, I'll ask myself the same question 'If Trump is the Answer WTF was the Question'?, also unlike last time, instead of getting stoned, I'll Vote Trump. 
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: roamer_1 on July 15, 2019, 01:06:20 am
I think Trump is a piece of human garbage.  Still garbage is better than a socialist country.  I will ultimately take a gas mask in the the poll booth and vote for him with nausea.

Not me. Never ever again. If I am nauseated by the candidate, he has by definition, not earned my vote.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: catfish1957 on July 15, 2019, 01:17:10 am
Not me. Never ever again. If I am nauseated by the candidate, he has by definition, not earned my vote.

@corbe
@roamer_1

I consider you two kindred spirits in the forum.  But the thought of a Presdient Sanders, Warren, or Harris will undo 200+ years of freedom and economic  prosperity.   Your 401k's and IRA's?  Kiss them goodbye, they'll be confiscated added to a nationwide comprehensive SS system.  The border between Mexico and USA?  Gone......   SCOTUS direction?   Socialist left justices added.   You think the SJW terrorist are emboldened now?  Just wait.

Joe McCarthy, Barry Goldwater,  W.F. Buckley, and Ronald Reagan all warned against a Red invasion.  Seems Joe was the most prophetic, as this is  looking  like a takeover from within.  This might be our last stand.  As much as I despise DJT, we have no choice.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: corbe on July 15, 2019, 01:22:17 am
   OK, Damnit @catfish1957 I'll vote Trump in 2020, 38 EV's may ride on it.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: roamer_1 on July 15, 2019, 01:30:06 am
I consider you two kindred spirits in the forum.

@catfish1957
Dittos, in spades.

Quote
But the thought of a Presdient Sanders, Warren, or Harris will undo 200+ years of freedom and economic  prosperity.   Your 401k's and IRA's?  Kiss them goodbye, they'll be confiscated added to a nationwide comprehensive SS system.  The border between Mexico and USA?  Gone......   SCOTUS direction?   Socialist left justices added.   You think the SJW terrorist are emboldened now?  Just wait.

Joe McCarthy, Barry Goldwater,  W.F. Buckley, and Ronald Reagan all warned against a Red invasion.  Seems Joe was the most prophetic, as this is  looking  like a takeover from within.  This might be our last stand.  As much as I despise DJT, we have no choice.

That's right. The thing that is in  error is the idea that the Republicans are any kind of bulwark against it. They have acted like it, and declared it - And have done exactly nothing in 50 years to stop it...

Tumpy the Clown included.

Bread and circuses - For the life of me I could never figure out how a free people might succumb to that and will away that freedom.

Now I know.

Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: bilo on July 15, 2019, 01:49:19 am
I did not vote for Trump in 2016. I didn't believe he would be anywhere near as conservative as he has been. I was wrong. He has been great. He has revealed who the Rats are and who the Chamber of Commerce Pubs represent. I will contribute to his campaign and will vote for him.

Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: libertybele on July 15, 2019, 02:43:54 am
I did not vote for Trump in 2016. I didn't believe he would be anywhere near as conservative as he has been. I was wrong. He has been great. He has revealed who the Rats are and who the Chamber of Commerce Pubs represent. I will contribute to his campaign and will vote for him.

Not so much of a revelation really and as a result what truly has been accomplished??  Nothing.

He has been unable to push through or make a deal of any sort in order to secure the border; as a result we now have hundreds of thousands seeking asylum and if granted will be able to apply for citizenship which more than likely will equal DEM votes.  So again, what has he accomplished other than giving the left more power? 

Unless Trump and the GOP come together and secure the border, and push back against the radical leftists this country is gone.  Not much time to do so before 2020.

I absolutely refuse anymore to contribute to anyone's campaign and will instead use those funds to prepare for the inevitable.




Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: LegalAmerican on July 15, 2019, 02:59:40 am
I'm not gonna watch it but I'm curious if the video has anything to do with NeverTrump?



Why not?  Your 'beliefs' should withstand TRUTH.  If they can't..then, you are not correct.  NOT WATCHING?   

http://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg (http://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg)
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: LegalAmerican on July 15, 2019, 03:06:37 am
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/these-republicans-signed-the-never-trump-letters-in-2016-now-some-are-having-second-thoughts/2019/07/12/a7e7a49a-a3ed-11e9-bd56-eac6bb02d01d_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/these-republicans-signed-the-never-trump-letters-in-2016-now-some-are-having-second-thoughts/2019/07/12/a7e7a49a-a3ed-11e9-bd56-eac6bb02d01d_story.html)

More at link

I didn't oppose Trump because I thought I could make a buck for it.  I opposed Trump before the election because I thought he was an ugly human being.  After the election he proved it to me.



Nothing of the sort!  He is a beautiful person inside & out.  It is your ugly soul & spirit that is wrong. LEFT LYING MEDIA, has done a number on you, and you believe all of that.  ALSO....learn the difference between, LEGAL  & ILLEGAL....I don't think you know the difference. WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM)    http://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg (http://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg)


Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpIyaIHsJbc&t=343s#)



Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: jmyrlefuller on July 15, 2019, 03:21:03 am
Looks like I'm going to get the opportunity to tell someone off sooner than I thought.


Nothing of the sort!  He is a beautiful person inside & out.  It is your ugly soul & spirit that is wrong. LEFT LYING MEDIA, has done a number on you, and you believe all of that.
Trump was an employee of that LEFT LYING MEDIA for ten years. Remember The Apprentice?

You must be on pills if you think Donald "Grab'em by the..." and "If she weren't my daughter, I'd be dating her" and Three Straight Trophy Wives, Two Divorces Trump is a beautiful person on the inside.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: LegalAmerican on July 15, 2019, 03:22:09 am
Yes, where did those critical thinking skills that brought us Woodrow Wilson, FDR and Jimmy Carter go.


Thes posters on here ARE still virtue signaling & think the LOG IN THEIR EYE...is smaller then presidents Trump splinter!  It is amazing for me to read.  PRESIDENT is a very compassionate, caring human being.  I don't knowhow they get 'ugly" out of that.  So many story's to show his kindness. it won't do any good. The UGLY,  these posters see is  THEMSELVES.
Projection. They believe EVERY LIE & SLANDER PUT OUT BY LEFT MEDIA.  No critical thinking, or just plain jealousy. 
https://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg (https://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg)     WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM)   People don't want to watch, video's, read information & stick to their 'beliefs". How silly is that, then post! 

Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: LegalAmerican on July 15, 2019, 03:27:21 am
No not an excuse.  I sincerely believe that we are on the brink and quite honestly, there doesn't seem to be enough statesman willing to run for office in the first place.  In the miraculous event that we somehow manage to throw the 'bastards' out -- who is going to replace them?  More DEMS?  More RINO's??  There isn't anyone worthwhile even willing to stand up to challenge Trump.  So, do you honestly expect all of a sudden an overwhelming number of statesman coming forward to challenge the RINO's and good for nothings within the GOP?  Not going to happen.

The only distant solution, that may not even be feasible at this point, is if those conservatives within the GOP vacate their seats and join the Constitution Party.  The clock is ticking and I think it is even far too late for that to happen.

So that really brings us back to reality.  Either you don't vote.  You vote for Trump.  You vote for DEM.


One votes, what is BEST for our country & future.  That happens to be president TRUMP.  Not a game or even choice.

WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM).    https://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg (https://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg)
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: LegalAmerican on July 15, 2019, 03:38:08 am
And my answer to that is, "What's the difference?"
Just on the money, and only the money, the lack of difference is sure destruction any direction you go.

Folks just have to get serious here. Either it becomes serious enough that folks stop voting for clowns (like Tump) and demand representatives that at the very least know how to reduce spending and balance a budget or we are doomed beyond doom.

And that's just a fact.
All this bullshit is just a waste of time.
Time we do not have.

 You are talking about old America with DEMON-RATS in charge. NOT THE SAME.  We have a very good man, who produces good results, then you have the demon-rats who want Communism & OPEN BORDERS. Where you been? You can't tell the difference?  FREEDOM OR COMMUNISM.  PRESIDENT TRUMP is not a clown.  I question your sanity. He is a billionaire, now PRESIDENT of USA. YOU? Paycheck to paycheck or retired?  I find this kind of talk about our president VERY OFFENSIVE & IGNORANT.  IT SEEMS YOU AREN'T informed at all.  You won't listen to video's, facts, information either, right?  WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM)     http://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg (http://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg)   I don't need a response from you. I don't have the time.


Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: catfish1957 on July 15, 2019, 03:45:38 am
You are talking about old America with DEMON-RATS in charge. NOT THE SAME.  We have a very good man, who produces good results, then you have the demon-rats who want Communism & OPEN BORDERS. Where you been? You can't tell the difference?  FREEDOM OR COMMUNISM.  PRESIDENT TRUMP is not a clown.  I question your sanity. He is a billionaire, now PRESIDENT of USA. YOU? Paycheck to paycheck or retired?  I find this kind of talk about our president VERY OFFENSIVE & IGNORANT.  IT SEEMS YOU AREN'T informed at all.  You won't listen to video's, facts, information either, right?  WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM)     http://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg (http://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg)   I don't need a response from you. I don't have the time.

Offensive and ignorant?  I think you fully defined that in this post.  Geez, are you for real?  This is nothing but f'n gibberish.



Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: LegalAmerican on July 15, 2019, 03:48:30 am
I disagree with your premise.

I speak only for myself, and I REACT to criticism. Go ahead and support no one, while I don't agree I really don't care enough to comment unless asked/provoked. I see many others here doing the same.

But don't tell me I lack principles/standards/morals/whatever because I choose to support with my vote the best available choice.

Thank you.  These people are goofy.  JUDICIAL WATCH...supports president TRUMP..they would know, if he isn't holding to constitutional law, yet they claim,  'NO ONE IS'.  I would like to know, what is not done by constitution?  ALL OF IT IS! 

Even the bad laws put in by JFK, LBJ & TEDDY...President TRUMP is abiding by. CELLER/HART act 1965...then Clinton 1996.

JFK gave WELFARE too ILLEGALS.  The mess at the border is a direct result of these laws by JFK, LBJ, Teddy, Clinton. 

Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: LegalAmerican on July 15, 2019, 03:56:02 am
I don't get why disagreement,  even strong at times, somehow equals contempt.   Just me.

I strongly disagree with one element of @roamer_1 s argument  ( refusing to vote for Trump because he isn't perfect)  but I would happily share a campfire with him anytime.  Hope he feels the same.


President Trump is more perfect then our last presidents! I don't get it. Wrote the below for YOUTUBE, LEFTS.
Not to you BIGUN.  OR anything against your post.  President would go camping with you. HE LOVES PEOPLE.
You LEFTS ARE ALWAYS Goofy. DOUBLE STANDARDS. You must hate congress in DC who use a madame.  You have some issues with people mailed more than once?  Better to stay married & be a-holes to each other?  Bill & Hillary go BOTH WAYS. GAY.  Bill has a child with black prostitute, DANNY WILLIAMS. Hillary caught in hotel room with black female prostitute. Hillary raped Cathy O'Brien. Bill has 15 more women of record, saying he raped them. Not counting paid off Jones or Flowers. But..Bill & Hillary still together.  Obama, married to trannie...the bio parents of his kids are DR. ANITA BLANCHARD & Martin Nesbitt. Obama born in Kenya, fraud, con artist. Then gay male wh0re for rich white men to get his cocaine. Obama smokes, does pot, cocaine + loves beer so much, had a brewery in the White House. ALCOHOLIC?  Issues with little boys. HE LIKES THEM. PIZZAGATE.
    My president does NOT drink any alcoho, ever, does not smoke, does no illegal drugs, does not drink Coffee. You want to impugn him?  Clintons cheat, Obama cheats, ALL KENNEDYS cheated.  Teddy caused the death of his mistress. MaryJo Kopecny.  .   http://youtu.be/WSmOuX6DtVU (http://youtu.be/WSmOuX6DtVU)
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: DCPatriot on July 15, 2019, 03:58:16 am
Offensive and ignorant?  I think you fully defined that in this post.  Geez, are you for real?  This is nothing but f'n gibberish.

Hmmm.... I understood her perfectly.   And it's all true.   :laugh:
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: roamer_1 on July 15, 2019, 04:09:55 am
You are talking about old America with DEMON-RATS in charge. NOT THE SAME.  We have a very good man, who produces good results, then you have the demon-rats who want Communism & OPEN BORDERS. Where you been? You can't tell the difference?  FREEDOM OR COMMUNISM.  PRESIDENT TRUMP is not a clown.  I question your sanity. He is a billionaire, now PRESIDENT of USA. YOU? Paycheck to paycheck or retired?  I find this kind of talk about our president VERY OFFENSIVE & IGNORANT.  IT SEEMS YOU AREN'T informed at all.  You won't listen to video's, facts, information either, right?  WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM)     http://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg (http://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg)   I don't need a response from you. I don't have the time.

Utter pap.
Defend it if you can, which you can't - which seems to be the reason for the spam and run.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: LegalAmerican on July 15, 2019, 04:11:21 am
I enthusiastically voted for Mr. Trump in 2016, and will gladly do so again next year.
So there.


Thank you.  One sane person, who understands it is about. COUNTRY....not their own little feelings. How self absorbed are people anyway?  I wish there was an Island we could put all these VIRTUE SIGNALING people on!  THEY are perfect, but no one else is.  They won't read, listen, get information but keep bad mouthing the best person we've had in DECADES! I GO BACK TO EISENHOWER. Most have cheated on their wives. MEDIA JUST DID NOT TELL US.  KENNEDYS THE WORST. BILL CLINTON. OBAMA, GAY, MUSLIM, COMMUNIST with trannie wife,http://youtu.be/WSmOuX6DtVU but Trump hetero isn't pure enough! Obama had his boy friends, he cheated with, Reggie. I think most comes down to personal jealousy of president TRUMP.  Some kind of ego with the men & women feigning upset about his maleness. 
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: DCPatriot on July 15, 2019, 04:11:38 am
Looks like I'm going to get the opportunity to tell someone off sooner than I thought. Trump was an employee of that LEFT LYING MEDIA for ten years. Remember The Apprentice?

You must be on pills if you think Donald "Grab'em by the..." and "If she weren't my daughter, I'd be dating her" and Three Straight Trophy Wives, Two Divorces Trump is a beautiful person on the inside.

The only things I need in my President are for him to love his country more than himself and to be capable.

And this man with the gigantic ego fits that bill perfectly.

All the rest is White Noise.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: roamer_1 on July 15, 2019, 04:12:53 am
Hmmm.... I understood her perfectly.   And it's all true.   :laugh:

No it's not.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: LegalAmerican on July 15, 2019, 04:30:02 am
Looks like I'm going to get the opportunity to tell someone off sooner than I thought. Trump was an employee of that LEFT LYING MEDIA for ten years. Remember The Apprentice?

You must be on pills if you think Donald "Grab'em by the..." and "If she weren't my daughter, I'd be dating her" and Three Straight Trophy Wives, Two Divorces Trump is a beautiful person on the inside.

 I see LEFT LYING MEDIA DID GET TO YOU.  SO?  President said that.  That is how he knows, what is going on. As a PRIVATE PERSON, doing business, with everyone!  That is what is great about him. YOU are a left, N.t.  I am not, here I am 'talking to you".  Will THAT GET HELD AGAINST ME if I run for president ?  I do see,  you are incredibly jealous of this man.
The WOMEN are, who allow that, when one is famous. They won't allow you.You don't get locker room talk?  My dad thought, I had great legs. He told me that. He didn't want to sleep with me. He said, he could see why men wanted to date me. I was going through Chemo treatment & he came to help me. A compliment about one's daughter is now dirty?

YES. TROPHY WIVES...the ones you can't get or are one. I forget if you are male or female.  He married Marla, because she was pregnant with child. Marla cheated. Melania & he have been married about 16 years.  Life doesn't always work out perfectly does it?  I see NOTHING IN YOUR POST ABOUT HOW GOOD HE IS FOR OUR COUNTRY.  ALL PERSONAL JEALOUSY

The below post I saved from posting on youtube. So, if the shoe fits. BTW WHO, was a perfect president in the past?

--
You LEFTS ARE ALWAYS Goofy. DOUBLE STANDARDS. You must hate congress in DC who use a madame.  You have some issues with people mailed more than once?  Better to stay married & be a-holes to each other?  Bill & Hillary go BOTH WAYS. GAY.  Bill has a child with black prostitute, DANNY WILLIAMS. Hillary caught in hotel room with black female prostitute. Hillary raped Cathy O'Brien. Bill has 15 more women of record, saying he raped them. Not counting paid off Jones or Flowers. BUT..Bill & Hillary still together. Obama..married to trannie. https://youtu.be/WSmOuX6DtVU...the bio parents of his kids are DR. ANITA BLANCHARD & Martin Nesbitt. Obama born in Kenya, fraud, con artist. Then gay male wh0re for rich white men to get his cocaine. Obama smokes, does pot, cocaine + loves beer so much, had a brewery in the White House. ALCOHOLIC?  Issues with little boys. HE LIKES THEM. PIZZAGATE.

 My president does NOT drink any alcohol, ever, does not smoke, does no illegal drugs, does not drink coffee.
 You want to impugn him?  Clintons cheat, Obama cheats, ALL KENNEDYS cheated.  Teddy caused the death of his mistress. MaryJo Kopecny. 
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: LegalAmerican on July 15, 2019, 04:32:55 am
Hmmm.... I understood her perfectly.   And it's all true.   :laugh:


Thank you.  :patriot: :patriot: :seeya:   
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: LegalAmerican on July 15, 2019, 04:50:53 am
The only things I need in my President are for him to love his country more than himself and to be capable.

And this man with the gigantic ego fits that bill perfectly.

All the rest is White Noise.


Yes!   He is capable beyond belief. Look at North Korea. Excellent job with diplomacy.  Stepping into N. KOREA. I WOULD BE SCARED.  He wasn't.  Kim looks up to president TRUMP, like a father figure.  So many great things done by this man. Hostages released, 4.  Then Bronson?  Now, in UK TOMMY ROBINSON, is asking president for help. People in Japan, want their people released, from China with president TRUMPS help. All these people on here can says is "grab em?"  THAT IS BRAIN WASHED PERSON, BY LEFT, MEDIA. Nothing else on their minds.  NO problem with CLINTON doing that or OBAMA penis grabbing. That was ALL on the women who allow that & a private locker room talk, being egged on & secretly recorded.  THAT SHOULD BE THE ISSUE!   SECRETLY RECORDED FOR BLACKMAIL, LATER? 

I RESPECT MY PRESIDENT.  I DIDN'T VOTE FOR A PRIEST.  If he knew, he was going to be president, in his youth...maybe he would have done things a bit different.  I just see a heathy, hetero, alpha male & others who resent that.  Can't have milk toast, talking to KIM JUNG UN.      http://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg (http://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg)
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on July 15, 2019, 07:54:36 am


Why not?  Your 'beliefs' should withstand TRUTH.  If they can't..then, you are not correct.  NOT WATCHING?   

http://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg (http://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg)

I don't want to be tricked into becoming a hater.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on July 15, 2019, 07:56:23 am


Nothing of the sort!  He is a beautiful person inside & out.  It is your ugly soul & spirit that is wrong. LEFT LYING MEDIA, has done a number on you, and you believe all of that.  ALSO....learn the difference between, LEGAL  & ILLEGAL....I don't think you know the difference. WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM)    http://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg (http://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg)


Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpIyaIHsJbc&t=343s#)

Don't trick me
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on July 15, 2019, 08:05:06 am

Thes posters on here ARE still virtue signaling & think the LOG IN THEIR EYE...is smaller then presidents Trump splinter!  It is amazing for me to read.  PRESIDENT is a very compassionate, caring human being.  I don't knowhow they get 'ugly" out of that.  So many story's to show his kindness. it won't do any good. The UGLY,  these posters see is  THEMSELVES.
Projection. They believe EVERY LIE & SLANDER PUT OUT BY LEFT MEDIA.  No critical thinking, or just plain jealousy. 
https://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg (https://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg)     WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM)   People don't want to watch, video's, read information & stick to their 'beliefs". How silly is that, then post!

(https://img.ifunny.co/images/4f4954e5eb93bcc0cde6d2428b2c4055842389d0a2c233cdb4b966db1c46fd73_1.jpg)
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: musiclady on July 15, 2019, 01:32:41 pm
Looks like I'm going to get the opportunity to tell someone off sooner than I thought. Trump was an employee of that LEFT LYING MEDIA for ten years. Remember The Apprentice?

You must be on pills if you think Donald "Grab'em by the..." and "If she weren't my daughter, I'd be dating her" and Three Straight Trophy Wives, Two Divorces Trump is a beautiful person on the inside.

She apparently thinks no one knew anything about Trump before he ran for the Presidency.

He's been a very ugly person on the inside for a lot of years............ and that has absolutely nothing to do with believing the leftist media about anything.

Being well informed is not LA's strong suit.   **nononono*
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: skeeter on July 15, 2019, 01:37:46 pm


BTW your passion is appreciated and improves this site.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Bill Cipher on July 15, 2019, 01:51:53 pm
(https://img.ifunny.co/images/4f4954e5eb93bcc0cde6d2428b2c4055842389d0a2c233cdb4b966db1c46fd73_1.jpg)

Exactly.   
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: aligncare on July 15, 2019, 01:56:20 pm
BTW your passion is appreciated and improves this site.

Seconded. In my opinion, she’s a great American who, regarding our present political battle for the soul of America, would not ever assume the fetal position, as too many here have done.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: WhatWouldReaganDo on July 15, 2019, 03:34:14 pm
BTW your passion is appreciated and improves this site.
:silly: :rolling: **nononono*
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: GrouchoTex on July 15, 2019, 04:27:53 pm
Selfish is some may find this, I will not vote against someone presiding over an economic upswing, unless that someone was trying to take those gains from me to promote a leftist agenda.

I will vote Trump in 2020, barring some weird unforeseen incident occurring.

 :patriot:

That is all.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: musiclady on July 15, 2019, 04:38:19 pm
BTW your passion is appreciated and improves this site.

You might have a point if that "passion" didn't condemn so many Conservative Briefers in all CAPS because they don't worship the ground Trump walks on.

It's fine to admire the guy for whatever one sees in him, but to call everyone who knows...... not thinks, but knows....... he is morally flawed and has been for decades upon decades, believes in the leftist media, is just plain ridiculous.

And ridiculous attacks on good Conservative people on this board most definitely diminishes this site rather than "improves" it.

If you're her friend, tell her to calm down and tell the truth, and she may eventually become a contributing member of the forum.

But until she does that.......    *****rollingeyes*****

@skeeter
@LegalAmerican
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: roamer_1 on July 15, 2019, 04:49:40 pm
You might have a point if that "passion" didn't condemn so many Conservative Briefers in all CAPS because they don't worship the ground Trump walks on.

It's fine to admire the guy for whatever one sees in him, but to call everyone who knows...... not thinks, but knows....... he is morally flawed and has been for decades upon decades, believes in the leftist media, is just plain ridiculous.

And ridiculous attacks on good Conservative people on this board most definitely diminishes this site rather than "improves" it.

If you're her friend, tell her to calm down and tell the truth, and she may eventually become a contributing member of the forum.

But until she does that.......    *****rollingeyes*****

@skeeter
@LegalAmerican

That's right. spamming thread after thread with proven propaganda does not help either.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: txradioguy on July 15, 2019, 05:19:28 pm
That is exactly bass-ackwards @libertybele
They should have never been voted in in the first place.
The pragmatism of lesser evil is why we are where we are.
If you are making excuses when explaining your vote, you are part of the problem.

QFT
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: musiclady on July 15, 2019, 05:47:42 pm
That's right. spamming thread after thread with proven propaganda does not help either.

Exactly.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Axeslinger on July 15, 2019, 05:56:55 pm
You might have a point if that "passion" didn't condemn so many Conservative Briefers in all CAPS because they don't worship the ground Trump walks on.

It's fine to admire the guy for whatever one sees in him, but to call everyone who knows...... not thinks, but knows....... he is morally flawed and has been for decades upon decades, believes in the leftist media, is just plain ridiculous.

And ridiculous attacks on good Conservative people on this board most definitely diminishes this site rather than "improves" it.

If you're her friend, tell her to calm down and tell the truth, and she may eventually become a contributing member of the forum.

But until she does that.......    *****rollingeyes*****

@skeeter
@LegalAmerican

 :hands:

I’ll add...until she does that, she’s still a psycho
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: skeeter on July 15, 2019, 06:07:18 pm
You might have a point if that "passion" didn't condemn so many Conservative Briefers in all CAPS because they don't worship the ground Trump walks on.

It's fine to admire the guy for whatever one sees in him, but to call everyone who knows...... not thinks, but knows....... he is morally flawed and has been for decades upon decades, believes in the leftist media, is just plain ridiculous.

And ridiculous attacks on good Conservative people on this board most definitely diminishes this site rather than "improves" it.

If you're her friend, tell her to calm down and tell the truth, and she may eventually become a contributing member of the forum.

But until she does that.......    *****rollingeyes*****

@skeeter
@LegalAmerican

I disagree.

Whether one agrees with her or not, caps or not, she has a voice like the rest of us.

And she's no more abusive to others than are those with whom she differs.

And her style aside she's much more often right than she is wrong.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: txradioguy on July 15, 2019, 06:13:23 pm

Thes posters on here ARE still virtue signaling & think the LOG IN THEIR EYE...is smaller then presidents Trump splinter!  It is amazing for me to read.  PRESIDENT is a very compassionate, caring human being.  I don't knowhow they get 'ugly" out of that.  So many story's to show his kindness. it won't do any good. The UGLY,  these posters see is  THEMSELVES.
Projection. They believe EVERY LIE & SLANDER PUT OUT BY LEFT MEDIA.  No critical thinking, or just plain jealousy. 
https://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg (https://youtu.be/Gw8c2Cq-vpg)     WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM)   People don't want to watch, video's, read information & stick to their 'beliefs". How silly is that, then post!

You truly are TBR's version of Alexandria Occasio-Cortez.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: musiclady on July 15, 2019, 06:18:01 pm
I disagree.

Whether one agrees with her or not, caps or not, she has a voice like the rest of us.

And she's no more abusive to others than are those with whom she differs.

And her style aside she's much more often right than she is wrong.

I know one is not supposed to say these words in a debate, but you're wrong.

She screeches and accuses in almost every post, and the people she's accusing are NOT guilty of the offense.

Anyone who criticizes Trump, to her is a fool who falls for the lying leftist media, and that is a downright idiotic accusation to make on this forum.

Certainly she has a voice like all the rest of us, but it behooves her to lay off the accusations, to tone down her rhetoric, to stop spamming and to tell the truth before she can be taken seriously as a contributing member of this forum.

As I said before, if you are her friend, help her.  Don't enable her and encourage her to continue her absurd accusations of anyone who says there's anything wrong with Trump.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: skeeter on July 15, 2019, 06:21:44 pm
I know one is not supposed to say these words in a debate, but you're wrong.

She screeches and accuses in almost every post, and the people she's accusing are NOT guilty of the offense.

Anyone who criticizes Trump, to her is a fool who falls for the lying leftist media, and that is a downright idiotic accusation to make on this forum.

Certainly she has a voice like all the rest of us, but it behooves her to lay off the accusations, to tone down her rhetoric, to stop spamming and to tell the truth before she can be taken seriously as a contributing member of this forum.

As I said before, if you are her friend, help her.  Don't enable her and encourage her to continue her absurd accusations of anyone who says there's anything wrong with Trump.

There's plenty of heated rhetoric going on here, both sides. It goes with the territory.

When I see certain critics of her's coming down on posters whom they actually agree with on the issues then I'll listen.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: corbe on July 15, 2019, 06:34:08 pm
   I don't particularly like her, @LegalAmerican and the feeling is mutual, since unlike me, she has me on Ignore. 
   ****You can do better @corbe*****
   Some of you may be wondering what this has to do with the 'OP' and in all honesty, absolutely nothing, and I expect the Cat Mod to delete it, with my Blessings. 
   I feel better. 


Strike one.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: skeeter on July 15, 2019, 06:41:13 pm
   I don't particularly like her, @LegalAmerican and the feeling is mutual, since unlike me, she has me on Ignore. 
   She wants to have Trumps baby and if she can't do that she wants to stick a MAGAPILL (suppository) up his azz.
   Some of you may be wondering what this has to do with the 'OP' and in all honesty, absolutely nothing, and I expect the Cat Mod to delete it, with my Blessings. 
   I feel better.

I think you're great, Corbe.

But here's a perfect opportunity for those truly concerned about the tone on this site to jump on in with the admonishments.



Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Axeslinger on July 15, 2019, 06:48:02 pm
I think you're great, Corbe.

But here's a perfect opportunity for those truly concerned about the tone on this site to jump on in with the admonishments.

Why?  What he said is spot on...I’ve told her as much myself...she’s a plague.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: skeeter on July 15, 2019, 06:51:15 pm
Why?  What he said is spot on...I’ve told her as much myself...she’s a plague.

Right.

So what really matters is your disagreement with her worldview.

Why not just drop all the swooning over her style and just say so?
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: musiclady on July 15, 2019, 06:53:52 pm
There's plenty of heated rhetoric going on here, both sides. It goes with the territory.

When I see certain critics of her's coming down on posters whom they actually agree with on the issues then I'll listen.

There's a difference between occasional heated rhetoric when one is angry or provoked, and a constant barrage of anger and disdain (and spam) leveled at anyone who dares say a bad word about Trump.

I think you know the difference, but I appreciate your loyalty to someone simply because you agree with her about Trump. Even if it's not warranted, it's, well............ loyal.

One more time and then I give up......... if she's your friend, ask her to tone down the ugly attacks on every single Briefer who isn't devoted to her god, and to try to be reasonable at least once in a while, like the rest of you Trump loyalists are.

She might make some points with a lot of people who are actually in the middle on Trump.

As it is, the five or so of you keep cheering her on, and the positive impact she has for Trump is zero.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: skeeter on July 15, 2019, 06:55:16 pm
There's a difference between occasional heated rhetoric when one is angry or provoked, and a constant barrage of anger and disdain (and spam) leveled at anyone who dares say a bad word about Trump.

I think you know the difference, but I appreciate your loyalty to someone simply because you agree with her about Trump. Even if it's not warranted, it's, well............ loyal.

One more time and then I give up......... if she's your friend, ask her to tone down the ugly attacks on every single Briefer who isn't devoted to her god, and to try to be reasonable at least once in a while, like the rest of you Trump loyalists are.

She might make some points with a lot of people who are actually in the middle on Trump.

As it is, the five or so of you keep cheering her on, and the positive impact she has for Trump is zero.

Awaiting your rebuke to @corbe.

BTW it was similar debates I had on TOS that led to my departure. I supported Cruz and saw the constant harping between erstwhile allies as being counterproductive. They just weren't having any of it.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: corbe on July 15, 2019, 07:21:13 pm
    Even the resident Trumpers don't bother me like that one does.  The Good Lord knows I've tried with her on several occasions AND Levels to connect positively.  She is a Trumper problem.  Case in point, as someone so brilliantly brought up last night, all the hard core #Nevers were given a choice here, Tone down your incessant hate for Trump, or move on.  Obviously it was above their paygrade, because there're gone. 
    It's a wonderful Forum, full of really knowledgeable and Friendly people. 

    I probably didn't answer your question @skeeter but I somehow got lost in a cloud of smoke on the way there. My intentions are honorable.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: skeeter on July 15, 2019, 07:30:01 pm
    Even the resident Trumpers don't bother me like that one does.  The Good Lord knows I've tried with her on several occasions AND Levels to connect positively.  She is a Trumper problem.  Case in point, as someone so brilliantly brought up last night, all the hard core #Nevers were given a choice here, Tone down your incessant hate for Trump, or move on.  Obviously it was above their paygrade, because there're gone. 
    It's a wonderful Forum, full of really knowledgeable and Friendly people. 

    I probably didn't answer your question @skeeter but I somehow got lost in a cloud of smoke on the way there. My intentions are honorable.

She's a believer, bless her heart.

You owe me nothing, @corbe. My point to others is stop pretending its about decorum when its really about differing opinions.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: TomSea on July 15, 2019, 07:30:53 pm
ot, cocaine + loves beer so much, had a brewery in the White House. ALCOHOLIC?  Issues with little boys. HE LIKES THEM. PIZZAGATE.
    My president does NOT drink any alcoho, ever, does not smoke, does no illegal drugs, does not drink Coffee. You want to impugn him?  Clintons cheat, Obama cheats, ALL KENNEDYS cheated.  Teddy caused the death of his mistress. MaryJo Kopecny.  .   

MaryJo Kopechne was not Ted Kennedy's mistress. I don't think she had any sort of relations with him, she was an RFK campaign worker and saying above is very wrong.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: DCPatriot on July 15, 2019, 08:02:02 pm
You truly are TBR's version of Alexandria Occasio-Cortez.

And you're TBR's version of John Kasich.     :shrug:
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: corbe on July 15, 2019, 08:06:57 pm
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Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: roamer_1 on July 15, 2019, 08:11:42 pm

Yes!   He is capable beyond belief.

ROTFLMAO!!! He's done NOTHING.

Quote
All these people on here can says is "grab em?"  THAT IS BRAIN WASHED PERSON, BY LEFT, MEDIA. Nothing else on their minds. 

I'd like to see you prove that one. Me, I never listen to 'LEFT MEDIA'... Haven't believed a single thing they say since Reagan. The difference is, I don't listen to 'TUMP MEDIA' either, because they are every bit as full of crap.

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NO problem with CLINTON doing that or OBAMA penis grabbing. That was ALL on the women who allow that & a private locker room talk, being egged on & secretly recorded.  THAT SHOULD BE THE ISSUE!   SECRETLY RECORDED FOR BLACKMAIL, LATER? 

NEWSFLASH!!! I didn't vote for Clinton either, for almost exactly the same reason, nor Obama.
All of them peas in a pod, Clinton, Obama, and Tump. Sure I had HUGE problems with the two, the difference between them and Tumpy the Clown is that they were on the other side of the fence, and never claimed to be conservative.

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I RESPECT MY PRESIDENT.  I DIDN'T VOTE FOR A PRIEST. 

It ain't about being a priest. It is about honor, integrity, and keeping your word. That you denigrate these simple signs of character tells me your opinions are without merit.

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I just see a heathy, hetero, alpha male & others who resent that.

BWAHAHAHAHA!  I see a duplicitous loudmouth cad, with a battleship mouth and a rowboat ass. That ain't alpha male. Far, far from it.  I see a guy who lies every time his mouth opens, who has a terrible time keeping his word, and whose history shows exactly what and who he is. Not even by way of media - Just by using the crap that has continuously fallen out of his own mouth over the decades.

There is nothing to be jealous of in that man. Nor is there a damn thing to be admired.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on July 15, 2019, 08:12:03 pm
You truly are TBR's version of Alexandria Occasio-Cortez.

This isn't true @txradioguy  Say what you will about her posting style, but @LegalAmerican is an American patriot!  :patriot:
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: corbe on July 15, 2019, 08:16:10 pm
This isn't true @txradioguy  Say what you will about her posting style, but @LegalAmerican is an American patriot!  :patriot:

   No one here is arguing that She's not an American Patriot @Right_in_Virginia we were just debating her non inclusive posting style.  @LegalAmerican
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: txradioguy on July 15, 2019, 08:23:42 pm
   No one here is arguing that She's not an American Patriot @Right_in_Virginia we were just debating her non inclusive posting style.  @LegalAmerican

@corbe exactly!
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on July 15, 2019, 08:31:16 pm
@corbe exactly!

Please don't turn into a sensitive snowflake who's lost his sense of humor and sarcasm @txradioguy  --- it would break my heart.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: txradioguy on July 15, 2019, 08:41:44 pm
And you're TBR's version of John Kasich.     :shrug:

 :silly:
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Axeslinger on July 15, 2019, 08:43:41 pm
Right.

So what really matters is your disagreement with her worldview.

Why not just drop all the swooning over her style and just say so?

Worldview?   Only insofar as her desire to be trumps next mistress...other than that, she is a conservative and theoretically on our side.  I don’t lambast her posting style...I just think she’s bat crap goofy. 

My beef is with anyone who does not have the integrity to be intellectually honest...anyone who cannot look at the whole of trump and admit there are a lot of warts there has proven themselves to be worthy of derision.   And in her case, not only can she not do that, she attacks everyone else who does not genuflect as being “of the left” and traitors.  Screw her.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: musiclady on July 15, 2019, 09:03:06 pm
Awaiting your rebuke to @corbe.

BTW it was similar debates I had on TOS that led to my departure. I supported Cruz and saw the constant harping between erstwhile allies as being counterproductive. They just weren't having any of it.

You have no idea what I have or have not said to @corbe .

It is a false parallel.

As to this place's being anything like TOS......  Poppycock.

Posters like @LegalAmerican  and @truth_seeker would LOVE to have that happen.  No debate allowed.  Just blind obeisance to the master.

Fortunately, there are only a handful of those, and the rest of us (me and you included) want to keep it an open and free place to debate and disagree without being lied about and called a leftist.

As it stands, TBR allows Conservative thought and discussion among fellow Conservatives.

If it ever becomes anything like TOS, as those two would like, I will be the first out of here.

Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: roamer_1 on July 15, 2019, 09:06:10 pm
I will be the first out of here.

Well, yeah, but only because I have to hold the door for you...
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: musiclady on July 15, 2019, 09:07:27 pm
Well, yeah, but only because I have to hold the door for you...

Ever the gentleman!  happy77
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: berdie on July 15, 2019, 09:20:00 pm
There's a difference between occasional heated rhetoric when one is angry or provoked, and a constant barrage of anger and disdain (and spam) leveled at anyone who dares say a bad word about Trump.

I think you know the difference, but I appreciate your loyalty to someone simply because you agree with her about Trump. Even if it's not warranted, it's, well............ loyal.

One more time and then I give up......... if she's your friend, ask her to tone down the ugly attacks on every single Briefer who isn't devoted to her god, and to try to be reasonable at least once in a while, like the rest of you Trump loyalists are.

She might make some points with a lot of people who are actually in the middle on Trump.

As it is, the five or so of you keep cheering her on, and the positive impact she has for Trump is zero.




As a rule...I would never post on a thread with both @LegalAmerican  and @MoMo  on it.  But I'll make and exception because I totally agree with you@musiclady.

More impact could be made with more information that could be verified and less SHOUTING.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: corbe on July 15, 2019, 09:27:23 pm
   I'll be the third one out because I'm holding both of yall's beers.   :beer:
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: MoMo on July 15, 2019, 09:34:39 pm

As a rule...I would never post on a thread with both @LegalAmerican  and @MoMo  on it.  But I'll make and exception because I totally agree with you@musiclady.

More impact could be made with more information that could be verified and less SHOUTING.

@corbe started it @berdie with his attacks on legalamerican I can normally let a lot of stuff go but that was uncalled for I notice its been fixd it is he that is trying to stifle any dissent here
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: musiclady on July 15, 2019, 09:46:24 pm



As a rule...I would never post on a thread with both @LegalAmerican  and @MoMo  on it.  But I'll make and exception because I totally agree with you@musiclady.

More impact could be made with more information that could be verified and less SHOUTING.

Exactly. 

The message they are trying (and failing) to make gets lost somewhere among the CAPS and Exclamation Points, accompanied by insults.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: musiclady on July 15, 2019, 09:47:11 pm
   I'll be the third one out because I'm holding both of yall's beers.   :beer:

Are you willing to hold a glass of fine Riesling as well?? 
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: berdie on July 15, 2019, 09:48:05 pm
That caused me to lol @ MoMo . @corbe (courtesy ping) is trying to stifle opinion?  Whatever you say.

You didn't read a word I said (or anyone else for that matter).

Sadly, I have other obligations this evening. But any response I might have if you respond I will gladly respond to tomorrow.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: corbe on July 15, 2019, 09:48:48 pm
    Absolutely, @musiclady whatever soothes your soul.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: musiclady on July 15, 2019, 09:55:26 pm
@corbe started it @berdie with his attacks on legalamerican I can normally let a lot of stuff go but that was uncalled for I notice its been fixd it is he that is trying to stifle any dissent here

Just scanning through, and I saw at least 5 completely insulting posts by LA before an even questionable one by corbe.

Truth is important, MoMo.  Stick to it.

Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: musiclady on July 15, 2019, 09:56:43 pm
    Absolutely, @musiclady whatever soothes your soul.

That's exactly what it does!

I think I have some somewhere in this house.   I think I may need some now.

BRB..............
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Axeslinger on July 15, 2019, 09:59:39 pm
 
   I'll be the third one out because I'm holding both of yall's beers.   :beer:

And I’m bringing the whiskey
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: GrouchoTex on July 15, 2019, 10:03:13 pm
   I'll be the third one out because I'm holding both of yall's beers.   :beer:

Did someone mention beer?
I'll be right over.
Gonna need one after running through all these post.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: jmyrlefuller on July 15, 2019, 11:14:26 pm
You have no idea what I have or have not said to @corbe .

It is a false parallel.

As to this place's being anything like TOS......  Poppycock.

Posters like @LegalAmerican  and @truth_seeker would LOVE to have that happen.  No debate allowed.  Just blind obeisance to the master.

Fortunately, there are only a handful of those, and the rest of us (me and you included) want to keep it an open and free place to debate and disagree without being lied about and called a leftist.

As it stands, TBR allows Conservative thought and discussion among fellow Conservatives.

If it ever becomes anything like TOS, as those two would like, I will be the first out of here.
I don't think so. I think the ones that truly think like that have long left the forum... including the former owner. The ones that remain, they're more the types that like to pick arguments. TS, for example, is a big proponent of the Intellectual Dark Web school of thought, built on challenging conventional wisdom.

Most of the people still around may be stubborn, but they're confident enough in their own beliefs that they don't run off when someone else challenges them. For that, I respect them.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on July 15, 2019, 11:16:37 pm
   I'll be the third one out because I'm holding both of yall's beers.   :beer:
I'll just sit here in the dark...cold and lonely. :crying:
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Bigun on July 15, 2019, 11:18:39 pm
Anybody ever post on a thread and end up wishing to hell you had never seen the damned thing?  Asking for a friend.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: corbe on July 15, 2019, 11:24:53 pm
Anybody ever post on a thread and end up wishing to hell you had never seen the damned thing?  Asking for a friend.



   Most every friggin day @Bigun
   I just drown the misery, I'm told these thoughts will eventually go away.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Bigun on July 15, 2019, 11:29:25 pm

   Most every friggin day @Bigun
   I just drown the misery, I'm told these thoughts will eventually go away.

Hand me one of whatever you're having @corbe!  This dumpster fire is killing me!
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: corbe on July 15, 2019, 11:29:31 pm
   I've got my own theory here too, @Right_in_Virginia is just so provocative in her words and deeds on TBR (love her) that her Threads always generate a lot more interest. 
   I've been wrong before as @LegalAmerican and @MoMo so eloquently pointed out, earlier.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: skeeter on July 15, 2019, 11:35:33 pm
You have no idea what I have or have not said to @corbe .

It is a false parallel.

As to this place's being anything like TOS......  Poppycock.


With all due respect, I was relating my own experiences on TOS. I did not say the site 'was like TOS'.

As far as LA is concerned, she can't be THAT bad, 'cause if she vexed y'all as badly as you are saying you'd simply ignore her. Its real easy.

Or... could it be you enjoy the dog pile?
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on July 15, 2019, 11:44:23 pm
Anybody ever post on a thread and end up wishing to hell you had never seen the damned thing?  Asking for a friend.
Some times I'll drink a lot of whiskey to forget a thread.  The problem is after I pass out and then wake up I remember...
that I still have some whiskey.
wut was the question again?
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: corbe on July 15, 2019, 11:50:55 pm
With all due respect, I was relating my own experiences on TOS. I did not say the site 'was like TOS'.

As far as LA is concerned, she can't be THAT bad, 'cause if she vexed y'all as badly as you are saying you'd simply ignore her. Its real easy.

Or... could it be you enjoy the dog pile?


   Guilty as Charged, your Honor

Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: musiclady on July 15, 2019, 11:55:13 pm
With all due respect, I was relating my own experiences on TOS. I did not say the site 'was like TOS'.

As far as LA is concerned, she can't be THAT bad, 'cause if she vexed y'all as badly as you are saying you'd simply ignore her. Its real easy.

Or... could it be you enjoy the dog pile?

90% of the time I slide right by her rants.......... (not worth the trouble to put her on Ignore).

Once in a great while, it's important to me to correct the lies and false accusations, and to respond to people like you who say her ravings are good for the forum. 

They are not.

What I do enjoy is truthful dialogue, and I have never, ever seen that from her.



You, however, ARE good for the forum, and with that I will respond no more to you.  You have prolonged what I thought would be a brief conversation, and I am not interested in any further discussion about this troll-like member of a wonderful forum.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Night Hides Not on July 16, 2019, 12:33:30 am
Are you willing to hold a glass of fine Riesling as well??

Count me in on the Riesling!  My taste has veered toward nothing sweeter than Spätlese, which always hits the spot.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: skeeter on July 16, 2019, 12:37:59 am
90% of the time I slide right by her rants.......... (not worth the trouble to put her on Ignore).

Once in a great while, it's important to me to correct the lies and false accusations, and to respond to people like you who say her ravings are good for the forum. 

They are not.

What I do enjoy is truthful dialogue, and I have never, ever seen that from her.



You, however, ARE good for the forum, and with that I will respond no more to you.  You have prolonged what I thought would be a brief conversation, and I am not interested in any further discussion about this troll-like member of a wonderful forum.

Fair enough and, BTW, thanks.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Night Hides Not on July 16, 2019, 12:40:27 am
You have no idea what I have or have not said to @corbe .

It is a false parallel.

As to this place's being anything like TOS......  Poppycock.

Posters like @LegalAmerican  and @truth_seeker would LOVE to have that happen.  No debate allowed.  Just blind obeisance to the master.

Fortunately, there are only a handful of those, and the rest of us (me and you included) want to keep it an open and free place to debate and disagree without being lied about and called a leftist.

As it stands, TBR allows Conservative thought and discussion among fellow Conservatives.

If it ever becomes anything like TOS, as those two would like, I will be the first out of here.

During vacation, my grandson wanted to know what "poppycock" meant. You can imagine the laughs we had when I discovered the word's origin:

"as fine as a powdered doll's excrement", from a Dutch dialect.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: roamer_1 on July 16, 2019, 12:41:15 am
Are you willing to hold a glass of fine Riesling as well??

Count me in on the Riesling!  My taste has veered toward nothing sweeter than Spätlese, which always hits the spot.

I take it that's some kind of fancy wine...  :shrug:

more PBR for me.
 :yowsa:
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: jmyrlefuller on July 16, 2019, 01:08:09 am
With all due respect, I was relating my own experiences on TOS. I did not say the site 'was like TOS'.

As far as LA is concerned, she can't be THAT bad, 'cause if she vexed y'all as badly as you are saying you'd simply ignore her. Its real easy.

Or... could it be you enjoy the dog pile?
That's a false premise.

Ignoring someone allows them to spout off anything unchallenged, and sometimes these types need to be put back in their place.

There are a few I have stopped bothering to respond to, but only after I've said my peace. I don't suffer fawning and shilling, and I don't particularly care for conspiracy theories.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: DCPatriot on July 16, 2019, 01:56:01 am
That's a false premise.

Ignoring someone allows them to spout off anything unchallenged, and sometimes these types need to be put back in their place.

There are a few I have stopped bothering to respond to, but only after I've said my peace. I don't suffer fawning and shilling, and I don't particularly care for conspiracy theories.

You're all full of shit.  Occam's Razor....

What's going on these past few days here is very similar to how Trump supporters felt when all of the NTs flooded here from TOS.

And because ownership here doesn't particularly care for our POTUS, she has allowed the attacks on LA.

...the same way they were allowed to take over the forum back in 2015.

If she wanted this crap come to a stop....it would have happened already.

@mystery-ak
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on July 16, 2019, 02:20:14 am
You're all full of shit.  Occam's Razor....

What's going on these past few days here is very similar to how Trump supporters felt when all of the NTs flooded here from TOS.

And because ownership here doesn't particularly care for our POTUS, she has allowed the attacks on LA.

...the same way they were allowed to take over the forum back in 2015.

If she wanted this crap come to a stop....it would have happened already.

@mystery-ak

Is this what winning looks like?
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: DCPatriot on July 16, 2019, 02:23:28 am
Is this what winning looks like?

IMO, this country is in a world of shit right now. While enjoying the best economy in 50 years

The mainstream media is Public Enemy #1 and until it's brought to task, it's only going to get worse.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: roamer_1 on July 16, 2019, 02:24:39 am
What's going on these past few days here is very similar to how Trump supporters felt when all of the NTs flooded here from TOS.

And because ownership here doesn't particularly care for our POTUS, she has allowed the attacks on LA.

Oh bullcrap @DCPatriot .

I think @LegalAmerican has been given acres of room, accusing ppl directly for hours without reprisal - Making it personal. Making the thread about her. Totally overboard, and I think that was allowed most likely because Conservatives don't tend to hit the abuse button.

She is also spamming incessantly, spam-and-run, without engagement after the fact. You might not like what I have to say, but I will nearly always engage and defend my position. That's what this place is for. Not for pot-shotting

I think admin was right, and late in coming if anything.

Y'all are whinin and cryin and throwin dirt in the air over nothing. On purpose, I think. Always with the stink-eye toward Myst.

And it's bullcrap.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: roamer_1 on July 16, 2019, 02:26:40 am
IMO, this country is in a world of shit right now. While enjoying the best economy in 50 years

The mainstream media is Public Enemy #1 and until it's brought to task, it's only going to get worse.

Yeah whatever. That's nothing new.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on July 16, 2019, 02:28:47 am
You're all full of shit.  Occam's Razor....

What's going on these past few days here is very similar to how Trump supporters felt when all of the NTs flooded here from TOS.

And because ownership here doesn't particularly care for our POTUS, she has allowed the attacks on LA.

...the same way they were allowed to take over the forum back in 2015.

If she wanted this crap come to a stop....it would have happened already.

@mystery-ak

I'm a supporter of the President.  But I personally thought LA needed a mandatory vacation from the site.  Honestly, almost a caricature of a Trump supporter at times.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: corbe on July 16, 2019, 02:30:01 am
   As I said earlier, she's a Trumper problem so characteristic of yall to blame someone else.....
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on July 16, 2019, 02:30:45 am
IMO, this country is in a world of shit right now. While enjoying the best economy in 50 years

The mainstream media is Public Enemy #1 and until it's brought to task, it's only going to get worse.
The next election maybe the most important election of my lifetime. :yawn2:
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: DCPatriot on July 16, 2019, 02:31:08 am
Oh bullcrap @DCPatriot .

I think @LegalAmerican has been given acres of room, accusing ppl directly for hours without reprisal - Making it personal. Making the thread about her. Totally overboard, and I think that was allowed most likely because Conservatives don't tend to hit the abuse button.

She is also spamming incessantly, spam-and-run, without engagement after the fact. You might not like what I have to say, but I will nearly always engage and defend my position. That's what this place is for. Not for pot-shotting

I think admin was right, and late in coming if anything.

Y'all are whinin and cryin and throwin dirt in the air over nothing. On purpose, I think. Always with the stink-eye toward Myst.

And it's bullcrap.

BS...tell your story walking.

MOD 4 came in last night and warned everyone for the umpteenth time to get back on topic.

It was ignored.

....and here we are.

But if somebody types that they're having an "I TOLD YOU SO-erection"...they get shit-canned for 24 hours.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: DCPatriot on July 16, 2019, 02:33:07 am
I'm a supporter of the President.  But I personally thought LA needed a mandatory vacation from the site.  Honestly, almost a caricature of a Trump supporter at times.

I'm not arguing with that.  She is as tedious.  But deserves the same latitude as Victoria....a caricature of a NeverTrumper.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: corbe on July 16, 2019, 02:36:17 am
   Mod4 seems a sockpuppet of Mod8,  she means well but never seems to get her point across. Someone must of complained to bring her out of hibernation.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: DCPatriot on July 16, 2019, 02:37:28 am
   Mod4 seems a sockpuppet of Mod8,  she means well but never seems to get her point across. Someone must of complained to bring her out of hibernation.

LOL!   I thought they just grabbed a MOD jacket off the rack.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: roamer_1 on July 16, 2019, 02:38:25 am
BS...tell your story walking.

MOD 4 came in last night and warned everyone for the umpteenth time to get back on topic.

It was ignored.

....and here we are.

But if somebody types that they're having an "I TOLD YOU SO-erection"...they get shit-canned for 24 hours.

I said my piece. All this crybaby bullcrap looks bad on you. Especially you.
Nuff said
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: corbe on July 16, 2019, 02:39:08 am
LOL!   I thought they just grabbed a MOD jacket off the rack.


   That may very well be also @DCPatriot
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: roamer_1 on July 16, 2019, 02:40:13 am
The next election maybe the most important election of my lifetime. :yawn2:

Yeah, really.
REALLY.
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: musiclady on July 16, 2019, 03:12:29 am
During vacation, my grandson wanted to know what "poppycock" meant. You can imagine the laughs we had when I discovered the word's origin:

"as fine as a powdered doll's excrement", from a Dutch dialect.

Well, the things you learn on TBR!  LOL!

I'll give that some thought the next time I use the word.  :silly:
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: musiclady on July 16, 2019, 03:14:51 am
I'm a supporter of the President.  But I personally thought LA needed a mandatory vacation from the site.  Honestly, almost a caricature of a Trump supporter at times.

Unfortunately, that caricature is based on reality.

When she first appeared here, I thought she was a troll pretending to be a Trumper to make them all look bad.

Not so.

Oy........
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: roamer_1 on July 16, 2019, 03:19:16 am
Oy........

I heard that. Needs an eyeroll:   *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: These Republicans signed the ‘never Trump’ letters in 2016. Now some are having second thoughts.
Post by: Cyber Liberty on July 16, 2019, 03:37:05 am
Looking up previous to the last half-dozen or so posts this thread remains a dumpster fire.  For the good of the forum, let's go find some other topics to post on, shall we?  Mod1 is bored, and he's not friendly when he gets bored.

Thread locked.