I guess he's not shutting down the border next week :shrug:
Wrong. It would not shut down the auto industry completely. You are correct you can't change it overnight ... but we have assembly plants that are idle that could again be utilized. Jobs ... jobs ... jobs.
Besides that, I don't see shutting down the border as long term, only long enough to curtail the situation till we can make improvements. I also still see at the end of all this a strong possibility that of a NAU (North American Union) being created between Mexico, US and Canada.
Thank you for bringing up the USMCA (I didn't even know that was the new label) ... do you have a link, please? I've been looking for detailed information.
I guess he's not shutting down the border next week :shrug:
In a year's time, how many illegals is he going to allow to get through?? This is it. We have lost and we have lost our Republic as we know her. God, help us!@libertybele
...hmm... silence from the staunch Trump support crowd. Waiting patiently for them to weigh in on this one. Very difficult to refute that he has FAILED bigly on this issue.
@libertybele
We are just allowing Party People like you get your little happy dances out of the way before we chime in.
Can't wait for you to splain to me how Cruz,Romney,or any of the other usual suspects would have handled it.
@libertybele
We are just allowing Party People like you get your little happy dances out of the way before we chime in.
Can't wait for you to splain to me how Cruz,Romney,or any of the other usual suspects would have handled it.
Trump is playing a dangerous game.
He is trying to be "all things to all people." That never works out.
His overtures to the "left," most likely coming from the minds of Jarvanka, are not going to be enough to attract Dem voters in 2020.
And the more that he falls down on his key pledges (like building a wall and FIXING the out of control illegal immigration and asylum issues) he is making many of his 2016 voters awfully discouraged. Most will likely still pull the lever for him in 2020, but they are certainly not inspired to work for the campaign or pony up donations. The only nuts that are still "MAGA Trump" (and even more embarrassing are the "GEOTUS" sickos) are the poor souls still falling for the Q hoax. Once that gives way "disillusioned" will be an overly mild description for them.
Notice this new red line in the sand puts it right smack dab in election season which means nothing will be done other than a lot of hot air telling you something must be done and hoping you forget nothing was done.
Trump is playing a dangerous game.
He is trying to be "all things to all people." That never works out.
His overtures to the "left," most likely coming from the minds of Jarvanka, are not going to be enough to attract Dem voters in 2020.
And the more that he falls down on his key pledges (like building a wall and FIXING the out of control illegal immigration and asylum issues) he is making many of his 2016 voters awfully discouraged. Most will likely still pull the lever for him in 2020, but they are certainly not inspired to work for the campaign or pony up donations. The only nuts that are still "MAGA Trump" (and even more embarrassing are the "GEOTUS" sickos) are the poor souls still falling for the Q hoax. Once that gives way "disillusioned" will be an overly mild description for them.
All that you say is true, but I once again believe that he never truly intended to build a wall. That was never his intent. As I stated early on during his campaign, he considered his run for President when he saw an opening because of a very disgruntled populace because of the issue of an unsecured border. Along with that he saw an opportunity to make a tremendous amount of money. He was able to sell himself because of his supposed disconnect from D.C., though he ran in the same circle as the Clintons which was ignored. I also believe that his other mission was to make sure that a true conservative (Cruz) was not seated with the help of various entities. The 'wall' and curtailing illegal immigration was all that mattered to his 'crowd' and he sold them a bill of goods.
He waits just days before the new Congress is sworn in to make the wall an issue. Not only do we not get a wall, he signs a bill allowing states to opt out of a barrier .... you know the rest of the story of course ... nope, he never intended to secure the border or build a wall. What we are witnessing today is proof.
Indeed. I believe I was correct in stating that it was absolute lunacy to give one of the most wealthiest men in the world the keys to the Kingdom....he's setting up things for him, his family and cronies to make a fortune. Wait and see.
No, Trump is maneuvering to get the results he wants and that America needs. The same way he’s maneuvered through negotiations his entire business life. Carrot and stick. He hopes to achieve his goals through the least disruptive actions and with the cooperation of our neighbors to the south, first. If this doesn’t work there are other options.
Trump’s approach has shown to work in renegotiating trade with China, so let’s see how it plays out with Mexico and their responsibilities at the border. Using enough economic pressure, Mexico will eventually see things the president’s way.
QuoteAre you kidding me??? Happy dance???? I am pizzed as hell. I am furious. Cruz and Romney are not President, Trump is.
@libertybele
That has to be the most gleeful "pissed" I have ever seen.QuoteDeflecting the issue to them doesn't accomplish jack squat and is quite absurd and indicates Trump supporters don't have a leg to stand on.
So....,none of the positive things he has accomplished makes any difference at all? Yeah,you sure sound impartial.QuoteSo tell me ... how do you explain this of Trump? How do you not see this as utter and complete FAILURE on his part??
There is no explanation for it Even if someone claims he is listening to his advisors,HE is the president and the "decider". He bought it,and now he has to wear it. Hell,we could have elected JEB,Lady Lindsey,or Cruz if we would be happy with crap like that.
Crap like this will kill ANY chance he has of re-election in 2020,and it's only right if it does because "more of the same" is NOT going to save America.
Meanwhile,please feel free to keep the crocodile tears flowing while you giggle in your hand.
No, Trump is maneuvering to get the results he wants and that America needs. The same way he’s maneuvered through negotiations his entire business life. Carrot and stick. He hopes to achieve his goals through the least disruptive actions and with the cooperation of our neighbors to the south, first. If this doesn’t work there are other options.
Are you kidding me??? Happy dance???? I am pizzed as hell. I am furious. Cruz and Romney are not President, Trump is. Deflecting the issue to them doesn't accomplish jack squat and is quite absurd and indicates Trump supporters don't have a leg to stand on. So tell me ... how do you explain this of Trump? How do you not see this as utter and complete FAILURE on his part?? He promised a wall which we don't have. He shutdown the government which accomplished nothing. He signed a bad bill allowing states to opt out of a barrier. Then he declared a national emergency and did nothing. He threatened to close the border and now pushed that out an entire year.
Yes ... please chime in.... I really am all ears. IF Senator Cruz or Senator Romney or anyone else has some input now on how to straighten out Trump's screw up, I hope that they would come forward!!
Notice this new red line in the sand puts it right smack dab in election season which means nothing will be done other than a lot of hot air telling you something must be done and hoping you forget nothing was done.
You and me both! I read about this today while on my break. I was livid. He just gave himself a pass for a year to do nothing. He gave them a pass too to increase illegal immigration within the next year. We already know that they are letting them go without vetting them. They have already declared they cannot handle the amount of people crossing into the U.S but this failure of a President says I will give you a year.
@aligncare
I don't see this as anything other than a brain fart of epic proportions. If he doesn't reverse this quickly,he needs to go ahead and pack his bags now so he is ready to leave the WH after the next election.
This is nothing less than a total surrender of everything he has claimed to stand for.
President Trump has FAILED on the issue BIGLY, although IMHO it was NEVER his intent to build a wall, nor secure the border. This is a very, very sad time for our country.
Yes it is. I notice some of the "always Trumpers" haven't been around much. Like @Emjay maybe she finally realized that the man she was worshipping is a phony.
I've noticed that as well, the "Trumpers" don't have a whole lot to say. Unfortunately, Trump's failure at the border is only beginning to impact this country. Brace yourself.
Yes it is. I notice some of the "always Trumpers" haven't been around much. Like @Emjay maybe she finally realized that the man she was worshipping is a phony.
I worshipped nobody @Chosen Daughter I did admire and respect a great President, Donald Trump and I still do.
I stopped coming around because I was afraid the abysmal ignorance displayed daily by you and a number of others would seep off the screen and infect me.
And there is always an excuse for him by some people. Everything he has said he didn't mean. He wasn't going to vote for the first spending bill but he did. Then he wasn't going to do it ever again, but he did. He shut down the government just to open it with nothing to show for it. Then after he signs away our rights to build the wall he declares state of Emergency. But he couldn't build the wall where any local government opposes it because he allowed them to opt out. Like El Paso where illegal immigration is booming.
He has given the Democrats everything they want and more. And we are still funding Planned Parenthood too.
Would a real Conservative please step in and show your intention to take this country back?
That was fast! You have been lurking.
I worshipped nobody @Chosen Daughter I did admire and respect a great President, Donald Trump and I still do.
I stopped coming around because I was afraid the abysmal ignorance displayed daily by you and a number of others would seep off the screen and infect me.
My livelihood relies on international trade and terrifs and threats of border closures are concerning. But I took this as an empty threat from the beginning.
I fear that it may be too late. It has been reported that border patrol will be releasing 650,000 into the country this year that they can account for. I believe that that figure is probably very conservative. The latest studies are now indicating that the estimated illegal population is double of what was originally believed or reported. The estimates are now over 22,000,000 and one report is indicating an estimate of over 30,000,000 and nothing is being done. I would venture to say that deportations are now a thing of the past.
https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/yale-study-finds-twice-as-many-undocumented-immigrants-as-previous-estimates (https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/yale-study-finds-twice-as-many-undocumented-immigrants-as-previous-estimates)
https://mitsloan.mit.edu/ideas-made-to-matter/study-undocumented-immigrant-population-roughly-double-current-estimate (https://mitsloan.mit.edu/ideas-made-to-matter/study-undocumented-immigrant-population-roughly-double-current-estimate)
https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/11/conflicting-new-estimates-of-illegal-immigration/ (https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/11/conflicting-new-estimates-of-illegal-immigration/)
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/yale-shocker-29-5-million-illegal-immigrants-3x-higher-than-census-number (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/washington-secrets/yale-shocker-29-5-million-illegal-immigrants-3x-higher-than-census-number)
...hmm... silence from the staunch Trump support crowd. Waiting patiently for them to weigh in on this one. Very difficult to refute that he has FAILED bigly on this issue.
@libertybele
We are just allowing Party People like you get your little happy dances out of the way before we chime in.
Can't wait for you to splain to me how Cruz,Romney,or any of the other usual suspects would have handled it.
What needs to be done is eliminate what draws them, jobs and entitlements. We need to punish those that hire them, and E-verify.
They wouldn't spit in my face and say it's rainy season and one of the wettest we've ever seen from the standpoint of water.
But for the Trumpers, GET DOWN! 444444
Are you kidding me??? Happy dance???? I am pizzed as hell. I am furious. Cruz and Romney are not President, Trump is. Deflecting the issue to them doesn't accomplish jack squat and is quite absurd and indicates Trump supporters don't have a leg to stand on. So tell me ... how do you explain this of Trump? How do you not see this as utter and complete FAILURE on his part?? He promised a wall which we don't have. He shutdown the government which accomplished nothing. He signed a bad bill allowing states to opt out of a barrier. Then he declared a national emergency and did nothing. He threatened to close the border and now pushed that out an entire year.
Yes ... please chime in.... I really am all ears. IF Senator Cruz or Senator Romney or anyone else has some input now on how to straighten out Trump's screw up, I hope that they would come forward!!
...hmm... silence from the staunch Trump support crowd. Waiting patiently for them to weigh in on this one. Very difficult to refute that he has FAILED bigly on this issue.
I believe I was correct in stating that it was absolute lunacy to give one of the most wealthiest men in the world the keys to the Kingdom....he's setting up things for him, his family and cronies to make a fortune. Wait and see.@libertybele
I say this as someone who did vote for him. Maybe he is the fraud we didn't want to believe he was and that he played us like a fiddle. Now he continues his promises only to get reelected. Plausible? I think so in light of the past 2 years.
I never expect any candidate I vote for to get much more than half of what they promise. That's about Trump's average.
Not happy with the trade wars/tariffs, but the overall economy is doing alright. And no, I still don't like Trump much.
All presidents promise things they can't deliver. I appreciate trying, and I'll give Trump credit for that...even if, concerning the border, it's mostly words so far.
But I would like other Trump voters, even his worshippers, to try and hold his feet to the fire.
However, I'm not about to vote for any gdamn commie next year because Trump hasn't delivered on half of what he promised. You can't always get what you want.
Half a loaf is better than none.
And if one of those commies gets elected next year, we'll be eating sh*t sandwiches.
I am not voting for any Commie either. There is either going to be a Conservative candidate interested in National Security or I won't vote.I believe Trump wants national security. I just think he often talks without pondering what he's saying.
I've noticed that as well, the "Trumpers" don't have a whole lot to say.
Hi @Frandia welcome to TBR.
I think that is exactly what it is. Trump is a rich person with ties to business and politicians on both sides of the Isle. He transformed the Presidency into his personal business. Not only that but he made his family his highest officials. He is working foreign interests all the time. Jared, Ivanka.......the whole family. Jared is selling out the American workers. He is very busy increasing ways that Employers can hire immigrants over Americans. If people buy that a second time shame on them. Trump calls it "Art of the Deal" How did he make his fortune? By screwing other people.
I say this as someone who did vote for him. Maybe he is the fraud we didn't want to believe he was and that he played us like a fiddle. Now he continues his promises only to get reelected. Plausible? I think so in light of the past 2 years.
I've noticed that as well, the "Trumpers" don't have a whole lot to say. Unfortunately, Trump's failure at the border is only beginning to impact this country. Brace yourself.
$1 billion a day would be lost. US companies deal with Mexico, we'd be shutting them down. Twin Plants, medical equipment, truck drivers. Funny how all the Cruz toadies once again disagree with Ted. @corbe
'Millions of jobs' at risk if U.S.-Mexico border closes, Sen. Ted Cruz warns
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/04/04/ted-cruz-trump-border-closing-would-devastating-texas/3362333002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/04/04/ted-cruz-trump-border-closing-would-devastating-texas/3362333002/)
The sad thing, is lots of obstacles already stand in the way of building the wall, wildlife, all of that.
Security, security, security is what is needed. That's been an effective solution all along, the thing is, is that with changes of administrations, we would probably lessen security, scale down the Border Patrol and so on.
More agents are needed.
I've been a supporter, and to say I'm disappointed in his performance on this issue is a gigantic understatement. His failure here will bury us I'm afraid.
That'll have to do. Sorry if its not satisfactorily self debasing.
"Cruz toadies"?
This is good, I smell progress @Sanguine less than 48 hours ago RiV called me a Beto Toadie.
I say this as someone who did vote for him. Maybe he is the fraud we didn't want to believe he was and that he played us like a fiddle. Now he continues his promises only to get reelected. Plausible? I think so in light of the past 2 years.
$1 billion a day would be lost. US companies deal with Mexico, we'd be shutting them down. Twin Plants, medical equipment, truck drivers. Funny how all the Cruz toadies once again disagree with Ted. @corbe
'Millions of jobs' at risk if U.S.-Mexico border closes, Sen. Ted Cruz warns
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/04/04/ted-cruz-trump-border-closing-would-devastating-texas/3362333002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/04/04/ted-cruz-trump-border-closing-would-devastating-texas/3362333002/)
The sad thing, is lots of obstacles already stand in the way of building the wall, wildlife, all of that.
Security, security, security is what is needed. That's been an effective solution all along, the thing is, is that with changes of administrations, we would probably lessen security, scale down the Border Patrol and so on.
More agents are needed.
More border agents that haven't been bought off by the cartel. What is needed IMHO, is to shut down enough of the border to still allow some trade, but shutting off some areas allowing border agents to refocus their manpower. Secondly, ALLOW the military to line the border well-armed and allow them to use force as necessary. The ONLY way this invasion is going to be curtailed and even stopped is to treat this exactly as it is; an outright attack on our country. I know firing upon some drug smuggler or thug trying to get into our country seems inhumane, but at this point in time, it's either them or us. I vote for the USA!
If someone was breaking into my home, I wouldn't continue to leave the door open and certainly I wouldn't hesitate to use fire power. I have every right to protect myself in my own home. We have every right to protect our country.
One key ingredient is missing. The will to do it. Trump claims to have it but no one other than the voters, does.
Notice this new red line in the sand puts it right smack dab in election season which means nothing will be done other than a lot of hot air telling you something must be done and hoping you forget nothing was done.
I guess he's not shutting down the border next week :shrug:
Bottom line, he said it himself: he knows how to tell people what they want to hear.
Hi @Frandia welcome to TBR.
I think that is exactly what it is. Trump is a rich person with ties to business and politicians on both sides of the Isle. He transformed the Presidency into his personal business. Not only that but he made his family his highest officials. He is working foreign interests all the time. Jared, Ivanka.......the whole family. Jared is selling out the American workers. He is very busy increasing ways that Employers can hire immigrants over Americans. If people buy that a second time shame on them. Trump calls it "Art of the Deal" How did he make his fortune? By screwing other people.
He'd love to, but he listened to Ted Cruz and others and will go another way.
$1 billion a day would be lost. US companies deal with Mexico, we'd be shutting them down. Twin Plants, medical equipment, truck drivers. Funny how all the Cruz toadies once again disagree with Ted. @corbe
'Millions of jobs' at risk if U.S.-Mexico border closes, Sen. Ted Cruz warns
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/04/04/ted-cruz-trump-border-closing-would-devastating-texas/3362333002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/04/04/ted-cruz-trump-border-closing-would-devastating-texas/3362333002/)
The sad thing, is lots of obstacles already stand in the way of building the wall, wildlife, all of that.
Security, security, security is what is needed. That's been an effective solution all along, the thing is, is that with changes of administrations, we would probably lessen security, scale down the Border Patrol and so on.
More agents are needed.
Moving the red lines... Obama 2.0Yep.
Cruz is wrong.
Ask yourself a question:
Did we really lose a shutdown with the democrats for under the dollar amount of what 1 week of a border shut down would cost in commerce?
Yet, Cruz is partially right, it would hurt economically.
So I say shut it for one week, make the case that we will lose more than what we shut the government down for, and add that if the border is secure, those economic numbers should climb higher yet!
Or we could just roll over and play Republican, as we have always done.
Yeah, I agree. Shut it down, for a short time and let's see if Mexico steps up to the plate.
An aside, much of the illegal cross-border traffic does not occur at legal points of entry. When we say "shut it down", we still have the unsecured part of the border unsecured.
I am not voting for any Commie either. There is either going to be a Conservative candidate interested in National Security or I won't vote.
$1 billion a day would be lost. US companies deal with Mexico, we'd be shutting them down. Twin Plants, medical equipment, truck drivers. Funny how all the Cruz toadies once again disagree with Ted. @corbe
'Millions of jobs' at risk if U.S.-Mexico border closes, Sen. Ted Cruz warns
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/04/04/ted-cruz-trump-border-closing-would-devastating-texas/3362333002/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/04/04/ted-cruz-trump-border-closing-would-devastating-texas/3362333002/)
Yeah, I've been disappointed with President Trump on this issue...but Ronald Reagan gave the store away to the Rats on this issue.
He'd love to, but he listened to Ted Cruz and others and will go another way.
He'd love to
Yep....remember this?
“We started off … 17 people. Now we’re down to not very many people,†he said. “And once you get to a certain level, it changes. I will be changing very rapidly.â€
“I’m very capable of changing to anything I want to change to,†the real estate mogul said.
https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/feb/11/donald-trump-im-very-capable-changing-anything-i-w/
@Emjay
Senor Ted is not at fault here. He did not and could not force Trump to do anything against his will. It was Trump's decision,and he has to own it.
With support like this around, Trump don’t need no stinking democrats to bash him. He’s got TBR deadenders.
Anyway, Trump just reported today that ever since he made that threat (giving everyone here the vapors), Mexico has communicated some changes they have made that Trump says is very encouraging.
It’s a good thing we don’t have to rely on you guys to supply negotiating tactics.
With support like this around, Trump don’t need no stinking democrats to bash him. He’s got TBR deadenders.
Anyway, Trump just reported today that ever since he made that threat (giving everyone here the vapors), Mexico has communicated some changes they have made that Trump says is very encouraging.
I believe Trump wants national security. I just think he often talks without pondering what he's saying.
@libertybele
At least one is posting elsewhere, and being less complimentary to Trump than she is here.
Holey moley, if that's the case, he needs to be voted out.
This surprises you? He's been in office for two years now. :shrug:
Yeah, I've been disappointed with President Trump on this issue...but Ronald Reagan gave the store away to the Rats on this issue.
Anyway, Trump just reported today that ever since he made that threat (giving everyone here the vapors), Mexico has communicated some changes they have made that Trump says is very encouraging.
It seems to be his style. After he says it, he does think about it though. And, he's not a stupid man.
How do you know this?
@Once-Ler@sneakypete
No,they would <personal insult removed>.
With support like this around, Trump don’t need no stinking democrats to bash him. He’s got TBR deadenders.
Anyway, Trump just reported today that ever since he made that threat (giving everyone here the vapors), Mexico has communicated some changes they have made that Trump says is very encouraging.
It’s a good thing we don’t have to rely on you guys to supply negotiating tactics.
TOS is having a meltdown, and it's the first week of a Freep a Thon. Lot of mad Trumpsters over there, some actually publicly agreeing with Ann Coulter.
@aligncare, if you ever go to a Trump rally, I’m going to be concerned for Donald. I’m afraid you might rush the stage with an armful of roses.
You'll never catch me at a Trump Rally, too many Cops, can't smoke pot.
Yeah, I agree. Shut it down, for a short time and let's see if Mexico steps up to the plate.
@Cyber Liberty
No,he didn't. Reagan agreed to a COMPROMISE with the Dims ... IMHO,he would have never agreed to it if he had of had any idea what the end result was going to be.
Mexico is the pass through entity for the Hondurans, Guatemalans, etc. It isn't just Mexicans, it isn't even just Central Americans, or even South Americans seeking to blend in and cross. Mexico could stop these caravans and turn them around at their border.
What do we do if Mexico doesn't move @Sanguine
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@Cyber Liberty
No,he didn't. Reagan agreed to a COMPROMISE with the Dims to limit and regulate the amount of foreigners to cross the border. He agreed to this because he was of a generation where he thought his political opponents were honorable men and women who would keep their word.
IMHO,he would have never agreed to it if he had of had any idea what the end result was going to be.
Yeah, I agree. Shut it down, for a short time and let's see if Mexico steps up to the plate.
An aside, much of the illegal cross-border traffic does not occur at legal points of entry. When we say "shut it down", we still have the unsecured part of the border unsecured.
@Smokin JoeTHe harsh reality is that someone is going to have to erect a substantial barrier, enforce it by force of arms, if necessary, and not be to limp wristed to use them. This country doesn't have that sort of resolve, from the top down, and if any of its citizens did display that level of resolve, they'd be the ones in Federal Prison while the illegals went scampering off into the hinterlands (on the US side).
I suppose the question that needs to be answered is: "Which side offers the best prospects for stopping the flow of illegal migrants into the United States: The US Congress or the government of Mexico?"
Where is our best leverage? It is fighting Pelosi, Schumer, NTs, Northern RINOS, et al in court against lawsuit after lawsuit to stop building the wall and overrule any EO diminishing catch and release? Or does a credible threat to the economy of Mexico offer us more opportunity for success?
Remember, one foot over the line and the invaders are here for good.
The President can't stop this by fiat. So do we work with Mexico or Congress to keep these illegals off US soil?
What do we do if Mexico doesn't move @SanguineADAM (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_Denial_Artillery_Munition) comes to mind, but no one in the US has the balls to use it.
Turn it up to 11 of course, @Right_in_Virginia.
ADAM (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_Denial_Artillery_Munition) comes to mind, but no one in the US has the balls to use it.
Okay. May I assume the President can count on your unwavering support if and when "11" crashes part of the US economy @Sanguine
@sneakypete
He should have known the Rats would renege on the deal. Heck, I was only 28 and I knew they would, which was why I was so pissed at the time.
@Right_in_Virginia, as I've stated before, there will be some pain involved in shutting down the open border, some of it economic. That is a fact and I accept that. However, the ROI will be great.
Yes, I unwaveringly support the president doing the right thing and not continuing to waver.
@libertybele
That has to be the most gleeful "pissed" I have ever seen.
So....,none of the positive things he has accomplished makes any difference at all? Yeah,you sure sound impartial.
There is no explanation for it Even if someone claims he is listening to his advisors,HE is the president and the "decider". He bought it,and now he has to wear it. Hell,we could have elected JEB,Lady Lindsey,or Cruz if we would be happy with crap like that.
Crap like this will kill ANY chance he has of re-election in 2020,and it's only right if it does because "more of the same" is NOT going to save America.
Meanwhile,please feel free to keep the crocodile tears flowing while you giggle in your hand.
I think that is so unfair of you. I know that @libertybele is certainly not giggling. She is just as distraught over the turn of events following the election of Trump as I am. I know that she has defended Trump many times. But he has failed. Or he never intended on doing what he promised to do. That isn't anything to giggle over. Even I could have gotten on the Trump train if he was real. He isn't real. He is a phony that is self serving. People can talk about what he gave up to become President. He hasn't given anything up and when he leaves the office of POTUS he will have left with more business opportunity, and more wealth.
I doubt the wealth part. He's already lost a ton of money because of all the divesting done to punish him for running. That money isn't going to magically reappear. He'll be the first recent President to leave office poorer than when he went in.
He specifically refused to divest, after taking office. Instead, the money is in trust. Furthermore, it’s not a blind trust. He has direct access to the money and paid Cohen from it. Since he’s not divested, there have been issues around ethics and influence, regarding foreign nationals and political groups using his DC hotel.
https://www.reuters.com/article/US-usa-trump-finance-idUSKBN14V21I (https://www.reuters.com/article/US-usa-trump-finance-idUSKBN14V21I)
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-blind-trust-20170403-story.html (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-blind-trust-20170403-story.html)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/04/02/trump-international-hotel-is-scandal-so-are-other-taxpayer-subsidized-hotels/?utm_term=.d05987da231b (https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/04/02/trump-international-hotel-is-scandal-so-are-other-taxpayer-subsidized-hotels/?utm_term=.d05987da231b)
THe harsh reality is that someone is going to have to erect a substantial barrier, enforce it by force of arms, if necessary, and not be to limp wristed to use them. This country doesn't have that sort of resolve, from the top down, and if any of its citizens did display that level of resolve, they'd be the ones in Federal Prison while the illegals went scampering off into the hinterlands (on the US side).
one of the fundamental reasons for the Constitution and the creation of the United States was the mutual defense of the colonies which signed onto the accord. One of the Fundamental DUTIES of the Federal Government is the defense of the States from invasion. Neither is being done, in this case.
Now, it doesn't surprise me one damned bit that those lickspittles in Congress are comfortable with shirking their duties, they've done that for decades. Nor that the politically stacked courts are perfectly happy to invent "rights" for non citizens while they trample those of the people who are citizens of the US. Off and on, we even have a President who pays lit service to the Constitution.
The part I find amazing, considering how much breach of that compact is going on at the Federal Level, is that the States, and indeed, the people themselves put up with this. Our ancestors would have tarred an feathered the lot, and thrown them in the Potomac by now.
I didn't say HE divested. His backers did.
Gotcha - I misunderstood.
THe harsh reality is that someone is going to have to erect a substantial barrier, enforce it by force of arms, if necessary, and not be to limp wristed to use them. This country doesn't have that sort of resolve, from the top down, and if any of its citizens did display that level of resolve, they'd be the ones in Federal Prison while the illegals went scampering off into the hinterlands (on the US side).
one of the fundamental reasons for the Constitution and the creation of the United States was the mutual defense of the colonies which signed onto the accord. One of the Fundamental DUTIES of the Federal Government is the defense of the States from invasion. Neither is being done, in this case.
Now, it doesn't surprise me one damned bit that those lickspittles in Congress are comfortable with shirking their duties, they've done that for decades. Nor that the politically stacked courts are perfectly happy to invent "rights" for non citizens while they trample those of the people who are citizens of the US. Off and on, we even have a President who pays lit service to the Constitution.
The part I find amazing, considering how much breach of that compact is going on at the Federal Level, is that the States, and indeed, the people themselves put up with this. Our ancestors would have tarred an feathered the lot, and thrown them in the Potomac by now.
The harsh reality is that someone is going to have to erect a substantial barrier, enforce it by force of arms, if necessary, and not be to limp wristed to use them. This country doesn't have that sort of resolve, from the top down, and if any of its citizens did display that level of resolve, they'd be the ones in Federal Prison while the illegals went scampering off into the hinterlands (on the US side.)
I was hoping that there would be enough states/legislatures to call for a Convention of States. That never happened. Now with a more liberal legislature since the mid terms, I believe it would be much too risky and could very easily go the other way.
As for the people tolerating all the corruption in the govt' and what is happening at the border, unfortunately, there are too many bleeding heart liberals who don't believe that we have a problem at the border, nor that our country is in any sort of jeopardy. Denial and apathy seems to continue to be the appetite of the day on this issue.
I was hoping that there would be enough states/legislatures to call for a Convention of States. That never happened. Now with a more liberal legislature since the mid terms, I believe it would be much too risky and could very easily go the other way.I don't know if it is the large number of people on meds, whether I am just on the mercurial side, or if people are trained to be so apathetic they can watch all hell break loose before them and remain completely glazed over. I am not wired that way, but I have always been one to express a sense of outrage, even in person, to do something when it needs to be done, even at risk to myself. I can guarantee I would not be quietly marched off to any cooler in the back to be shot like sheep.
As for the people tolerating all the corruption in the govt' and what is happening at the border, unfortunately, there are too many bleeding heart liberals who don't believe that we have a problem at the border, nor that our country is in any sort of jeopardy. Denial and apathy seems to continue to be the appetite of the day on this issue.
You want to power something with windmills and solar? I got your 'anti-climb'.
Who needs that, when we have anti-climb? Besides, if you successfully clear it, you apparently earned your way in.
“If you want to climb that, it's pretty sharp up on top, too," said the president, according to CNN. "If you want to climb that then you deserve whatever you can get, but it’s very, very hard. It’s meant anti-climb. It’s called anti-climb, so it’s a great wall and… I think it looks fantastic — very see-through, so you’re able to see the other side, which is a very important element."
https://www.newsweek.com/president-trump-immigrants-who-scale-dangerous-sharp-edged-border-wall-you-1387962 (https://www.newsweek.com/president-trump-immigrants-who-scale-dangerous-sharp-edged-border-wall-you-1387962)
I wonder if we could group the President in the bleeding heart liberal category? Obviously the President has gotten little help in securing the border, but he hasn't pressure them too. So I don't lay it all on him. Declaring you are giving Mexico a year is like waving a white flag. You and I know that one year at the rate of illegal entry is a gift to God knows how many caravans of thousand of immigrants. A year to bring in drug. A year of unrelenting human trafficking and border crime. A year of unrestricted illegal crossing.Maybe he made a deal with those getting kickbacks from the cartels to hold off a year so they could get their "401Ks" in order somewhere offshore.
You cannot declare there is an emergency at the border and then give them a year to fix it. We can't afford a year. It just doesn't make sense. But what does make sense is a President with no resolve to do what he promised.
I suspect that within 3 months Trump will be pontificating about the need to Secure our Country and suggest Closing the Border, again.
It's such a juicy piece of meat.
I wonder if we could group the President in the bleeding heart liberal category? Obviously the President has gotten little help in securing the border, but he hasn't pressure them too. So I don't lay it all on him. Declaring you are giving Mexico a year is like waving a white flag. You and I know that one year at the rate of illegal entry is a gift to God knows how many caravans of thousand of immigrants. A year to bring in drug. A year of unrelenting human trafficking and border crime. A year of unrestricted illegal crossing.
You cannot declare there is an emergency at the border and then give them a year to fix it. We can't afford a year. It just doesn't make sense. But what does make sense is a President with no resolve to do what he promised.
I wonder if we could group the President in the bleeding heart liberal category? Obviously the President has gotten little help in securing the border, but he hasn't pressure them too. So I don't lay it all on him. Declaring you are giving Mexico a year is like waving a white flag. You and I know that one year at the rate of illegal entry is a gift to God knows how many caravans of thousand of immigrants. A year to bring in drug. A year of unrelenting human trafficking and border crime. A year of unrestricted illegal crossing.
You cannot declare there is an emergency at the border and then give them a year to fix it. We can't afford a year. It just doesn't make sense. But what does make sense is a President with no resolve to do what he promised.
A year to get knocked up and drop an anchor baby.
Maybe he made a deal with those getting kickbacks from the cartels to hold off a year so they could get their "401Ks" in order somewhere offshore.
I suspect that within 3 months Trump will be pontificating about the need to Secure our Country and suggest Closing the Border, again.
It's such a juicy piece of meat.
Exactly. You can't declare a national emergency and do nothing. That doesn't make sense. The only thing that makes sense is that Trump had/has no intention of shutting down the border. IMHO he's using a year to get things in order so he, his family and cronies can prosper for a very long time. This is nothing more than a business deal for him and his supporters really need to realize this. No wall, amnesty and an unsecured border. Things can't get much clearer than that on his intent.
A year makes crystal clear. Its crazy. Every news source reporting that the border is in a crisis. Then today Secretary of DHS Kirstjen Nielson resigns.
It just gives him an another acting cabinet member. According to him, that’s fantastic.
“I like acting. It gives me more flexibility. Do you understand that? I like acting. So we have a few that are acting. We have a great, great Cabinet,†Trump said. He did not elaborate on why they give him more flexibility.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-cabinet-idUSKCN1P00IG (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-cabinet-idUSKCN1P00IG)
I don't know if it is the large number of people on meds, whether I am just on the mercurial side, or if people are trained to be so apathetic they can watch all hell break loose before them and remain completely glazed over.I think stuff has hit the fan. I'm just not excited to give more authority to the people who have made the problem worse.
I think stuff has hit the fan. I'm just not excited to give more authority to the people who have made the problem worse.I'm not excited to give them more authority, either. THey'd either stuff their luggage with cash, or just sit on it anyway.
I suspect that within 3 months Trump will be pontificating about the need to Secure our Country and suggest Closing the Border, again.
It's such a juicy piece of meat.
I suspect that within 3 months Trump will be pontificating about the need to Secure our Country and suggest Closing the Border, again.
It's such a juicy piece of meat.
Wouldn't surprise me.
They’ll go for it every time.
Of course he will. He needs to keep his base excited while they wait for another year to roll around for him to actually do something, which they may or may not begin to realize that he's not going to do.
I'm the odd man out on this one. I don't want him "closing the border."
Supposedly the system is overwhelmed with illegals and the BP and courts can't keep up. How exactly are we going to close the border more?
Slight edit: They've gone for it every time. However, I did notice a brief meltdown at TOS last week when Trump changed his mind on shutting down the border. It was quickly squelched by the most loyal of Trump's Orange Guard.
I'm the odd man out on this one. I don't want him "closing the border."
Just once, I’d like to hear a fact-based argument as to why we should trust politicians. We don’t trust the average stranger on the street, unless we’re naive. Why are public employees any different?
I'm the odd man out on this one. I don't want him "closing the border."
You aren't the only one. I see it like the Democrat gun control argument- you will only stop the law abiding, not the criminals. So you punish a million legal people each day (back and forth on both sides) for the thousands of criminals (who you won't stop anyway).
We aren't talking about legal migrants. We are talking about an INVASION of ILLEGALS. (Perhaps I misunderstood?)
Trump was threatening a border closure to halt commerce. Apples & Oranges.
We aren't talking about legal migrants. We are talking about an INVASION of ILLEGALS. (Perhaps I misunderstood?)
Except when you 'totally shut down the border' you shut it down for everyone. Legal migrants, legal tourists, and the millions of people who legally go back and forth every single day to conduct business. It is the busiest border in the world for legal business transactions.
Illegal is out of control, but you don't punish all the legal traffic for what the illegal does. Another analogy would be prohibition. Did it stop crimes committed while drinking? Nope, it made the criminal class boom while making criminals out of free, legal citizens.
If you want to see crime explode- shut down the border completely.
I'm the odd man out on this one. I don't want him "closing the border."
Supposedly the system is overwhelmed with illegals and the BP and courts can't keep up. How exactly are we going to close the border more?Make them wait on the other side instead of releasing them for their hearings into the US (because most will never show for the hearings).
Trump was threatening a border closure to halt commerce. Apples & Oranges.
So ... we continue to leave it open for all the illegals, terrorists, criminals, gangs, dope smugglers, etc., to carry on in a business as usual fashion to the point that we become another Europe and suffer the consequences?If he wants to win the blue collar vote over, get the manufacturing that moved south of the border (Ross Perot's "Giant sucking sound") back.
I disagree. I don't think you will see ALL crimes explode; quite the opposite.
I've never said that closing down the border is going to be without its own consequences, but I'd rather do so, then lose our Republic. In the long run, we'd have a much stronger Republic and we'd become much more self-sufficient. We certainly have a means to produce our own food and manufacture our own products. This country can more than adapt to becoming completely self sustaining.
Make them wait on the other side instead of releasing them for their hearings into the US (because most will never show for the hearings).
Make them wait on the other side instead of releasing them for their hearings into the US (because most will never show for the hearings).
Make them wait on the other side instead of releasing them for their hearings into the US (because most will never show for the hearings).
It's a great idea. Question: Would Mexico set up the detention centers? Would they let CBP do it? They can't just let them loose, they'll all try it again.
California judge blocks Trump's policy forcing asylum-seekers to stay in Mexico
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/9th-circuit-judge-blocks-trumps-policy-forcing-asylum-seekers-to-stay-in-mexico (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/9th-circuit-judge-blocks-trumps-policy-forcing-asylum-seekers-to-stay-in-mexico)
@Frandia
Somebody should smash that judges stones with a 18 lb maul. This is foreign policy,and he has no dominion over foreign policy.
While I have no issue smashing any leftist judge's stones...it is the law:
"Try as it may, the Trump administration cannot simply ignore our laws in order to accomplish its goal of preventing people from seeking asylum in the United States.â€
@Frandia
No,it is a foreign policy/political decision.
While I have no issue smashing any leftist judge's stones...it is the law:
"Try as it may, the Trump administration cannot simply ignore our laws in order to accomplish its goal of preventing people from seeking asylum in the United States.â€
Wait - what is the law? The judge's ruling?
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With the direction this country is going right now, I'm not so sure we even have a year. We are rapidly losing our country as we know her and no one is doing a damn thing. All the steps that Trump has taken is only encouraging a continued and larger invasion.
It's all the steps that Trump ISN'T taking that is encouraging the invasion.
It's all the steps that Trump ISN'T taking that is encouraging the invasion.
Please, @Sanguine give this bullshit a GD rest for a while. Every step the President has taken has been blocked by Congress or the Courts. He's got a small window of opportunity and he is moving full steam ahead before congress or the courts tell him he can't use the Pentagon's redirected money. Now the court has said the migrants can't remain in Mexico because Mexico's too mean.
The only thing left is to crash the economy. You up for that, sunshine?
Please, @Sanguine give this bullshit a GD rest for a while. Every step the President has taken has been blocked by Congress or the Courts. He's got a small window of opportunity and he is moving full steam ahead before congress or the courts tell him he can't use the Pentagon's redirected money. Now the court has said the migrants can't remain in Mexico because Mexico's too mean.If not, you'd better be, because that is where this will take us, one way or the other. Let's just borrow a few more trillion so we can trade Zimbabwe bucks at par.
The only thing left is to crash the economy. You up for that, sunshine?
4/3/2019, 8:51:19 AM · 1,669 of 3,321Wonderful. Catholic Charities and the other pseudoreligious organizations out there pimping "immigrants" get some 6K a head for bringing them in. That $6,000.00 comes from our tax dollars, not the collection plate. It is a fricking scam.
Right_in_Virginia to exit82
What’s the President doing with his state of emergency declaration?
Right_In_Virginia to exit82
Don’t know, but Trump needs to shut down the border, stop remittances to all of Central America, stop taking ANY new immigrants or asylum cases as of right now,put the Army at the border in force, deport visa overstays and illegal aliens en masse, end sanctuary cities,bomb the cartel’s headquarters,and build the hell out of the Wall.
But hey, what do I know?
He's got to do something. Now there's talk Trump will close the border to all except commerce. I've no idea what the heck good this does.
He's got an emergency declaration in effect. Where is the wall building?
Why wait until Friday to visit the border and allow another 50,000 in? We're now busing them from the border to Catholic charities.
I'm not seeing a plan here. He's being cautious at a time when he needs to be fearless.
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Every step the President has taken has been blocked by Congress or the Courts. He's got a small window of opportunity and he is moving full steam ahead before congress or the courts tell him he can't use the Pentagon's redirected money.
@Cyber Liberty
Don't know,don't care. That is Mexico's problem.
Betcha they crack down on people slipping across THEIR southern border,though.
Well that too. Announcing and threatening what he's going to do, has also encouraged the invasion. Now they realize that they have a year.Now they realize they only (well, maybe) have a year. Which means the hordes will be at the gates, where there are gates, that is. Nothing like advertising "For a limited time only" to import the next wave of Democrat voters who don't have a clue what America is about, don't speak the language, and have no intent of learning it. Pump them full of BS and turn them loose.
@sneakypete
I just wonder, without a wall, how do we keep the urchins on the other side of the border without occupying Mexican territory? That was the question I was aiming at.
If not, you'd better be, because that is where this will take us, one way or the other. Let's just borrow a few more trillion so we can trade Zimbabwe bucks at par.
Wonderful. Catholic Charities and the other pseudoreligious organizations out there pimping "immigrants" get some 6K a head for bringing them in. That $6,000.00 comes from our tax dollars, not the collection plate. It is a fricking scam.
@sneakypete
I just wonder, without a wall, how do we keep the urchins on the other side of the border without occupying Mexican territory? That was the question I was aiming at.
You didn't ask, but a good argument could be made that what Mexico is doing is an act of war.
If the US sets up detention facilities south of the border on Mexican soil, that would actually be an act of war. It would be a defacto "occupation."
@Cyber Liberty
WHAT is all this nonsense about "detention centers" everyone is ranting about? We don't NEED no stinking detention centers. These people are coming into our country without our permission,which makes them invaders. We have the right to shoot them as we find them.
Since we obviously don't want to do that,the only other alternative is to build walls and guards legal entrances to keep them out. If thousands of them set up camp in Mexico,that is Mexico's fault for not protecting THEIR southern border.
Once they set foot on American soil, they have all rights you and I do. More in some ways. It's been this way since some brainiacs in black robes on SCOTUS decided non-citizens have all the rights citizens do.
Please, @Sanguine give this bullshit a GD rest for a while. Every step the President has taken has been blocked by Congress or the Courts. He's got a small window of opportunity and he is moving full steam ahead before congress or the courts tell him he can't use the Pentagon's redirected money. Now the court has said the migrants can't remain in Mexico because Mexico's too mean.
The only thing left is to crash the economy. You up for that, sunshine?
You are way out of line RIV!!!! The small window(s) of opportunity that Trump had is GONE!!! You need to open your eyes sweetheart and realize that you've been duped!!
You didn't ask, but a good argument could be made that what Mexico is doing is an act of war.
Sunshine? Could you try being a tiny bit more condescending?
Regardless of your ill manners, there are a number of policy things that Trump coulda/shoulda already done. Yes, the courts will try to block him at every turn, and he needs to present specific court actions to the Supremes in an expedited manner. Some, if not most, of those rulings will be overturned. He's got to quit flailing and tweeting and do some effective actions.
You are way out of line RIV!!!! The small window(s) of opportunity that Trump had is GONE!!! You need to open your eyes sweetheart and realize that you've been duped!!
You need to stop posting from a puddle of hormones @libertybele The ranting, raving repetition is one thing. But what you're huffing and puffing and stomping your feet about is just factually wrong.
Again, I beg you to educate yourself on how our republican form of government works. Please.
Because the ugly truth is how duped we have been by every elected official, for decades ..... every elected official, except the President. And yet he's the one you direct all the venom at. It makes no damn sense.
And you've got to pull you head out of wherever you have it nestled and recognize the President IS fighting on every front .... he is fighting Mexico, our courts, our congress and your incessant whining.
Not only is it tiresome @Sanguine it is uninformed. And I don't know if you're deliberately ignoring the reality of the battle we are in, of if you just like to be a contrarian.
But in the name of God, we're not supposed to be the LIV!
You need to stop posting from a puddle of hormones @libertybele The ranting, raving repetition is one thing. But what you're huffing and puffing and stomping your feet about is just factually wrong.
Again, I beg you to educate yourself on how our republican form of government works. Please.
Because the ugly truth is how duped we have been by every elected official, for decades ..... every elected official, except the President. And yet he's the one you direct all the venom at. It makes no damn sense.
I think its quite possible that he President is loosing it.
I think its quite possible that he President is loosing it.
Why? Because RiV is?
Why? Because RiV is?
No, I'm not losing anything @Sanguine The problem is you think you're above reproach --- but this alone is worth the price of admission. 88devil
Well no, but could be. I am talking about Trumps newest round of firing everyone. He's insane, and no personal responsibility for his part. Like signing that incentive for illegal aliens to bring unaccompanied children. 80% of them are becoming anchors for illegal immigrants already in the US. Hey if you don't have a child just have your cousin send theirs.
Don't buy into the leftist media hype. He's the same as he's always been. And, he is still the president.
Wonderful. Catholic Charities and the other pseudoreligious organizations out there pimping "immigrants" get some 6K a head for bringing them in. That $6,000.00 comes from our tax dollars, not the collection plate. It is a fricking scam.
Much of this $1 billion in annual revenue goes to voluntary agencies (VOLAGs), several of which are Christian non-profits, such as Catholic Charities, Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Service, World Relief Corporation, Church World Service, and Domestic and Foreign Missionary Service of the Episcopal Church of the USA. (also referred to as Episcopal Migration Ministries), who are contracted on behalf of the government to help these refugees get settled in their new homes in America.
Five of the top nine VOLAGs are Christian non-profits. The other four are Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society, International Rescue Committee, US Committee for Refugees and Immigrants, and the Ethiopian Community Development Council.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2015/11/29/unholy-alliance-christian-charities-profit-1-billion-fed-program-resettle-refugees-40-percent-muslim/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2015/11/29/unholy-alliance-christian-charities-profit-1-billion-fed-program-resettle-refugees-40-percent-muslim/)
You are way out of line RIV!!!! The small window(s) of opportunity that Trump had is GONE!!! You need to open your eyes sweetheart and realize that you've been duped!!
A lot of people do it. Unfortunately, if they didn't do it, maybe the government would. The government contracts them to do this.
@Right_in_Virginia
You need to stop posting from a puddle of hormones @libertybele
Jealous?
Why don’t you just stop it. Seriously. We see that you present your Trump-can-do-no-wrong face here while voicing doubts elsewhere. Trying to stifle criticism when you do it yourself doesn’t fly.
OK. Now argue the topic, and stop calling each other names.You know who I blame for all this animosity?
OK. Now argue the topic, and stop calling each other names.
Glad you didn't close it indefinitely.
You know who I blame for all this animosity?
Obama!!!
@Smokin JoeIt has been going on for a while, now, one of the best kept open secrets out there.
I was saying this back when I was still allowed to post on FR,and heads would explode every time I would write about it. Heads sitting on self-styled "conservative" shoulders.
Interesting. Thanks for the info. Perhaps the eyes are opening after all?
@libertybele
IMO they’ve been open to at least some degree all along, but pride prevents those same sentiments being aired here.
It has been going on for a while, now, one of the best kept open secrets out there.
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/immigration/2018/06/19/texas-company-earns-half-billion-federal-dollars-year-operate-shelters-immigrant-children-southwest-key (https://www.dallasnews.com/news/immigration/2018/06/19/texas-company-earns-half-billion-federal-dollars-year-operate-shelters-immigrant-children-southwest-key)
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/14/us/illegal-immigrants-border-shelters-charities.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/14/us/illegal-immigrants-border-shelters-charities.html)
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/21/us/migrant-shelters-border-crossing.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/21/us/migrant-shelters-border-crossing.html)
https://www.wnd.com/2014/07/religious-charities-profit-from-open-borders/ (https://www.wnd.com/2014/07/religious-charities-profit-from-open-borders/)
Really no different than in FL where you get substantial money for adopting a child from the State; the State gives the adoptive parents a monthly 'salary' for the child. The rule does not apply to children through private adoption.
In addition, keep in mind that these kids are categorized as 'misplaced' and NOT counted among the illegals.
@libertybele
I was no aware of either,and both are shameful public theft of private money.
JEB Rules,I presume?
I was quite surprised as well. I don't know Jeb's involvement. I know someone out in AZ that is receiving state funds for adoptions, so I looked it up to see if same rules applied in FL.
Adoptions or Foster Care?
Adoption. As long as the adoptive child is a ward of the State, then adoptive parents get a monthly subsidy for the child. If the child is adopted through private means, then the State does not pay.