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Title: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: mystery-ak on January 11, 2018, 08:55:56 pm
Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
By Jordain Carney - 01/11/18 01:38 PM EST

A bipartisan group of senators say they have clinched a deal to provide protections to young immigrants known as Dreamers, but are facing pushback from President Trump and GOP leadership.

Sens. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) and Dick Durbin (D-Ill.) said on Thursday that the group of six senators has locked down an agreement amongst themselves on pairing a fix for the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program with a border security package.

"We've got this bipartisan group. We are at a deal. ... It's the only game in town," Flake told reporters.

But Durbin and Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) were told during a Thursday meeting with President Trump at the White House that he was not ready to sign onto the bill.

"We were hoping for that, but the president is not prepared to do that at this moment," Durbin said when asked if they wanted the president's support before they moved forward with their agreement.

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http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/368523-senators-on-verge-of-bipartisan-immigration-deal (http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/368523-senators-on-verge-of-bipartisan-immigration-deal)
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: mystery-ak on January 11, 2018, 09:42:04 pm
 Leigh Ann Caldwell‏Verified account @LACaldwellDC

Some of the details of the DACA “deal” per multiple GOP and Dem sources. **Not yet final as things can change
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTSPc6-X0AIPUpK.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: Sanguine on January 11, 2018, 09:44:59 pm
Leigh Ann Caldwell‏Verified account @LACaldwellDC

Some of the details of the DACA “deal” per multiple GOP and Dem sources. **Not yet final as things can change
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTSPc6-X0AIPUpK.jpg)

Heck of a deal... **nononono*
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: Jazzhead on January 11, 2018, 09:47:40 pm
So there are no changes to chain migration generally other than with respect to family members of the DACA folks?    And as for "temporary protected status", as Salvadorans know, that's permanent.  I'd hope we can get a better deal than that.     
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: skeeter on January 11, 2018, 09:47:50 pm
Leigh Ann Caldwell‏Verified account @LACaldwellDC

Some of the details of the DACA “deal” per multiple GOP and Dem sources. **Not yet final as things can change
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTSPc6-X0AIPUpK.jpg)

My, see how fast congress can act when properly motivated.

Too bad the result is predictably J Wellington Wimpyish - I'll gladly fund your border wall, address chain migration and the visa lottery tomorrow for the legalization of illegals today.
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: corbe on January 11, 2018, 11:38:25 pm
   The last time a President tried to address this problem was the Secure Fence Act of 2006. Sen. Hutchinson (R-TX.) pretty much disabled it the next year with her amendment at the request of the Chamber of Commerce.  Neither party or the Administration want to stop this madness.  I suspect we Americans are about to get screwed again.
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 11, 2018, 11:41:12 pm
Flake the Lame Duck sure drives a hard bargain. :nometalk:
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: corbe on January 11, 2018, 11:51:20 pm
Democrats Expand ‘Dreamer’ Amnesty Plan to Include Millions of Parents
by Neil Munro11 Jan 2018

 
Senate Democrats claim they have developed a new bipartisan amnesty plan for young ‘dreamer’ illegals – but their plan also offers a quasi-amnesty to the illegal-immigrant parents who brought the 3.25 million ‘dreamer’ illegals into the United States.
The amnesty-plus plan was developed by Sen. Dick Durbin, with the cooperation of several pro-amnesty GOP Senators, including Colorado’s Sen. Cory Gardner, Arizona’s Sen. Jeff Flake and Sen. Lindsey Graham from South Carolina. The claims and details emerged Thursday when the Senators were questioned by reporters after the Senators’ usual Thursday lunchtime meetings.

In an afternoon statement, the Senators claimed:
Quote
President Trump called on Congress to solve the DACA challenge. We have been working for four months and have reached an agreement in principle that addresses border security, the diversity visa lottery, chain migration/family reunification, and the Dream Act-the areas outlined by the President. We are now working to build support for that deal in Congress.
<..snip..>

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/11/democrats-extend-dreamer-amnesty-plan-include-millions-parents/ (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/11/democrats-extend-dreamer-amnesty-plan-include-millions-parents/)
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 11, 2018, 11:57:16 pm
@corbe That's a poison pill.  Chain Migration is a no-go, the whole reason this is going anywhere at all is to end that nonsense.
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: truth_seeker on January 12, 2018, 12:03:35 am
Democrats Expand ‘Dreamer’ Amnesty Plan to Include Millions of Parents
by Neil Munro11 Jan 2018

 
Senate Democrats claim they have developed a new bipartisan amnesty plan for young ‘dreamer’ illegals – but their plan also offers a quasi-amnesty to the illegal-immigrant parents who brought the 3.25 million ‘dreamer’ illegals into the United States.
The amnesty-plus plan was developed by Sen. Dick Durbin, with the cooperation of several pro-amnesty GOP Senators, including Colorado’s Sen. Cory Gardner, Arizona’s Sen. Jeff Flake and Sen. Lindsey Graham from South Carolina. The claims and details emerged Thursday when the Senators were questioned by reporters after the Senators’ usual Thursday lunchtime meetings.

In an afternoon statement, the Senators claimed:<..snip..>

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/11/democrats-extend-dreamer-amnesty-plan-include-millions-parents/ (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/01/11/democrats-extend-dreamer-amnesty-plan-include-millions-parents/)
How does 800,000 turn out to be 3.25 million? And how does chain migration continuation, come out this late?



Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 12, 2018, 12:07:53 am
How does 800,000 turn out to be 3.25 million? And how does chain migration continuation, come out this late?

Sounds like a sleight of hand, doesn't it?  I hope Trump hangs tough on this, because this "deal," if he signs it, will mark then end of him.  All the marbles are in this basket.
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: bilo on January 12, 2018, 12:09:23 am

Why are Pubs so eager to help Rats with their voter registration drives?

I can see doing a deal for DACA people giving them visas and in return building a wall, ending chain migration and the lottery. Other than that why bother. You can bet 80% of the newly legalized people will be Rat voters if they are granted citizenship.
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 12, 2018, 12:16:30 am
Why are Pubs so eager to help Rats with their voter registration drives?

I can see doing a deal for DACA people giving them visas and in return building a wall, ending chain migration and the lottery. Other than that why bother. You can bet 80% of the newly legalized people will be Rat voters if they are granted citizenship.

This deal is a complete cave to the Dems, with a tiny bone thrown to those of us who want a wall of some kind, which probably won't get past the design phase with the money allocated.  And the Reps in that group are strutting around like pigeons.  Flake slays me, "The only game in town!"  What an ass hole.

No end to Chain Migration.  No Merit-based entry.  Smaller lottery spread to countries that are hostile to us (that's what the code phrase "low immigration countries" means).  Easy path to citizenship and voting status for the cheaters.  Did I miss any other caves?
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: edpc on January 12, 2018, 12:20:23 am
In addition to insisting on a wall, he’s also demanding a shithole clause.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,298999.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,298999.0.html)
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: libertybele on January 12, 2018, 12:20:50 am
Sounds like a sleight of hand, doesn't it?  I hope Trump hangs tough on this, because this "deal," if he signs it, will mark then end of him.  All the marbles are in this basket.

We shall see ... yes, all the marbles are in this basket.  I have listened to interviews where he is still promising the wall ... but DACA/amnesty is not acceptable, even if he gets his wall.  There is still the possibility that he will ease on illegal immigration and migration of refugees into this country. If he does not only does America get screwed royally, but don't count on there every being another GOP seated in the oval office.
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 12, 2018, 12:23:14 am
In addition to insisting on a wall, he’s also demanding a shithole clause.

http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,298999.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,298999.0.html)

:bigsilly:

(He's right, you know.  But you don't SAY that.)
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 12, 2018, 12:29:13 am
Flake the Lame Duck sure drives a hard bargain. :nometalk:

Flake is dangerous ... he's accountable to no one.
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 12, 2018, 12:33:42 am
Flake is dangerous ... he's accountable to no one.

He never was.  He quit because that's not going to last, he doesn't get to be another McCain, and he finally found that out.  He fully expected to be able to bully his way through anything.  Being a Mormon he gets a major head-start for statewide office in AZ.

We're counting on Trump to stop this.
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 12, 2018, 12:36:32 am
He never was.  He quit because that's not going to last, 

Flake's lasting through 2018 ... knowing he will not face the voters again so he is free to follow his evil instincts at every turn.

I'm half expecting him to switch parties.
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: Fantom on January 12, 2018, 12:38:13 am
So there are no changes to chain migration generally other than with respect to family members of the DACA folks?    And as for "temporary protected status", as Salvadorans know, that's permanent.  I'd hope we can get a better deal than that.   

 888high58888 Good to agree with you Jazz...for once.    :beer:
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: corbe on January 12, 2018, 12:39:07 am
   I still don't like/trust Ann Coulter, but her tweet a couple of days ago is ringing true.
   I'm even seeing this bubbling up in my pro Trump Family.

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Ann Coulter‏Verified accountï‚™ @AnnCoulter · Jan 9 
As he considers the utility of walls (and promises), @realDonaldTrump should consider that "Never Trump" was toothless, but "Former Trump" will bite.
1,096 replies   2,544 retweets   8,927 likes
   
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: bilo on January 12, 2018, 12:40:25 am
This deal is a complete cave to the Dems, with a tiny bone thrown to those of us who want a wall of some kind, which probably won't get past the design phase with the money allocated.  And the Reps in that group are strutting around like pigeons.  Flake slays me, "The only game in town!"  What an ass hole.

No end to Chain Migration.  No Merit-based entry.  Smaller lottery spread to countries that are hostile to us (that's what the code phrase "low immigration countries" means).  Easy path to citizenship and voting status for the cheaters. Did I miss any other caves?

Of course this will give the Rats a majority again.

We will see what we end up with, but if this is the deal it's better to walk away. At times like this I get so disgusted with the Pubs. They couldn't repeal Obamacare, but they sure could get tax reform done quickly. Now we see another key promise "the wall" being tossed aside and no amnesty being turned into amnesty for untold millions of new Rat voters.
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 12, 2018, 12:40:32 am
Flake's lasting through 2018 ... knowing he will not face the voters again so he is free to follow his evil instincts at every turn.

I'm half expecting him to switch parties.

He's more of a bother as an obstructionist, voting against things Trump wants.  Outside of that, he's no different than your standard-issue BS Democrat puke.
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: Fantom on January 12, 2018, 12:41:47 am
   I still don't like/trust Ann Coulter, but her tweet a couple of days ago is ringing true.
   I'm even seeing this bubbling up in my pro Trump Family.
 


Yep, Trump had best heed the Red sky at dawn on this.
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: skeeter on January 12, 2018, 12:43:20 am
Of course this will give the Rats a majority again.


For ever & ever amen. California writ large.
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 12, 2018, 12:46:28 am
I'm glad the President hit the brakes ....

Quote
The United States must adopt an immigration system that serves the national interest. To restore the rule of law and secure our border, President Trump is committed to constructing a border wall and ensuring the swift removal of unlawful entrants. To protect American workers, the President supports ending chain migration, eliminating the Visa Lottery, and moving the country to a merit-based entry system. These reforms will advance the safety and prosperity of all Americans while helping new citizens assimilate and flourish.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/immigration/ (https://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/immigration/)   
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 12, 2018, 12:52:02 am
More Info Here:

Report: Trump rejects Senate DACA deal
Conservative Review, Jan 11, 2018, Chris Pandolfo

https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/report-senate-reaches-daca-deal-give-conservative-demands/ (https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/report-senate-reaches-daca-deal-give-conservative-demands/)
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 12, 2018, 01:10:44 am
More Info Here:

Report: Trump rejects Senate DACA deal
Conservative Review, Jan 11, 2018, Chris Pandolfo

https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/report-senate-reaches-daca-deal-give-conservative-demands/ (https://www.conservativereview.com/articles/report-senate-reaches-daca-deal-give-conservative-demands/)

Flake can piss off.  He's pulling his last string on this one.  All the President has to do is stick with the House on this. 
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: ConservativeGranny on January 12, 2018, 01:45:34 am
My, see how fast congress can act when properly motivated.

Too bad the result is predictably J Wellington Wimpyish - I'll gladly fund your border wall, address chain migration and the visa lottery tomorrow for the legalization of illegals today.

I didn't see any mention of a wall. Only a "fence barrier".
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: Jazzhead on January 12, 2018, 06:26:49 pm
He's more of a bother as an obstructionist, voting against things Trump wants.  Outside of that, he's no different than your standard-issue BS Democrat puke.

He voted for the tax bill.  He's a Goldwater conservative, an increasingly rare bird.  If he were to run for President, I'd cut him a check.   A very good man,  IMO.   
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 12, 2018, 06:40:55 pm
He voted for the tax bill.  He's a Goldwater conservative, an increasingly rare bird.  If he were to run for President, I'd cut him a check.   A very good man,  IMO.   

We're talking about Flake?   :silly:

(Would Barry Goldwater have pulled strings with a local Prosecutor to get 23 counts of animal cruelty charges dropped against his kid?)
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: Sanguine on January 12, 2018, 07:15:26 pm
He voted for the tax bill.  He's a Goldwater conservative, an increasingly rare bird.  If he were to run for President, I'd cut him a check.   A very good man,  IMO.   

Good grief, man, that's absolutely delusional.  Flake has done nothing even remotely conservative.  Do you have him confused with someone else or are you just trolling?
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 12, 2018, 07:23:50 pm
Good grief, man, that's absolutely delusional.  Flake has done nothing even remotely conservative.  Do you have him confused with someone else or are you just trolling?

Both.  He liked Kasich for President.
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: Jazzhead on January 12, 2018, 07:39:32 pm
Good grief, man, that's absolutely delusional.  Flake has done nothing even remotely conservative.  Do you have him confused with someone else or are you just trolling?

Jeff Flake's lifetime ACU rating is 93.07 percent.   He's a good man,  exactly the sort of rational, reasonable, liberty-centric conservative I support. 

C'mon, Sanguine, I know you're better and smarter than to resort to the easy insults of the UGOI here.   
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: Sanguine on January 12, 2018, 07:51:45 pm
Jeff Flake's lifetime ACU rating is 93.07 percent.   He's a good man,  exactly the sort of rational, reasonable, liberty-centric conservative I support. 

C'mon, Sanguine, I know you're better and smarter than to resort to the easy insults of the UGOI here.

Jazzhead, his liberty score is a solid F - 57%. 
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: Jazzhead on January 12, 2018, 07:54:18 pm
Jazzhead, his liberty score is a solid F - 57%.

I confess to not being familiar with the "liberty score".   I've always preferred the ACU ratings - but I'm old school. 
 
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: truth_seeker on January 12, 2018, 08:11:33 pm
I confess to not being familiar with the "liberty score".   I've always preferred the ACU ratings - but I'm old school.

What do you think of 800,000 morphing into 3.25 million, continued chain migration, lack of skills selectivity, to mention some of the crap left in this ridiculous attempt?

Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: Jazzhead on January 12, 2018, 08:26:42 pm
What do you think of 800,000 morphing into 3.25 million, continued chain migration, lack of skills selectivity, to mention some of the crap left in this ridiculous attempt?

What do I think?  I think it's a bad deal.   I said so the other day.   The practical issue is we're not going to get everything we'd like in exchange for DACA.  DACA only affects a small number of illegals.   What we need is comprehensive reform, as the President has invited. 
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: GrouchoTex on January 12, 2018, 08:32:26 pm
   The last time a President tried to address this problem was the Secure Fence Act of 2006. Sen. Hutchinson (R-TX.) pretty much disabled it the next year with her amendment at the request of the Chamber of Commerce.  Neither party or the Administration want to stop this madness.  I suspect we Americans are about to get screwed again.

Do you remember when Rick Perry ran on building a fence, and a week after he was elected said "Not gonna happen"?
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: corbe on January 12, 2018, 10:01:04 pm
Do you remember when Rick Perry ran on biuling a fence, and a week after he was elected said "Not gonna happen"?

   Yes, I remember that @GrouchoTex It's in their DNA to talk the talk but refuse to walk the walk....politicians.
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: GrouchoTex on January 12, 2018, 10:06:32 pm
   Yes, I remember that @GrouchoTex It's in their DNA to talk the talk but refuse to walk the walk....politicians.

From what I have heard, Perry Homes and H-E-B had a lot to do with stopping the fence.
Supposedly pretty big donors.
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: corbe on January 12, 2018, 10:19:14 pm
   I always figured the Chamber had big hooks in the GOP to keep up this charade they call Immigration Reform.  We are screwed.
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: truth_seeker on January 12, 2018, 10:28:32 pm
What do I think?  I think it's a bad deal.   I said so the other day.   The practical issue is we're not going to get everything we'd like in exchange for DACA.  DACA only affects a small number of illegals.   What we need is comprehensive reform, as the President has invited.
I'm a bit older than most here. Reagan's "comprehensive" deal in 1986 turned out badly. For example from the start employee documentation was a joke. Maybe still is. The illegal immigrant only had to show copies of some paperwork which was forged. The employer had no right or obligation to verify or validate a thing. It may remain that way now.

So I see "comprehensive," with much concern. Somewhere in the vicinity of 40% of legal immigrants in the US became so,  from "chain migration," aka family reunification etc.

That often entailed bringing elderly parents (aunts, uncles etc.) to America, to go on social security immediately or very soon. Even though they had never paid a penny into the system.

Generally the whole family becomes democrat voters, too. How precisely does America benefit from allowing that?

So instead of "comprehensive," I prefer one element at a time. Why not make the dems concede first, for a change.

Why not tell them first we do the wall. Next end chain migration. Next do skills preferences. DACA comes last.

After all Republicans hold the majority and could theoretically do what Trump has laid down as parameters. DACA was a democrat administrative order. 
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: Fishrrman on January 13, 2018, 03:22:03 am
Folks, anytime -- ANYTIME (for those of you who wear glasses) -- you see "comprehensive" used in reference to "immigration reform", it can mean only one thing:

AMNESTY.

Just say no, dammit...!!!!
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 13, 2018, 03:47:38 am
Folks, anytime -- ANYTIME (for those of you who wear glasses) -- you see "comprehensive" used in reference to "immigration reform", it can mean only one thing:

AMNESTY.

Just say no, dammit...!!!!

Correct.  In simple terms, it means the Dems say give us what we want first, and we'll give you what you want later, conveniently in a later Congress that cannot be compelled by the previous.  They did the same thing with taxes:  Give us a tax hike now, and we'll cut spending later.

How many times is Charlie Brown going to allow Nancy to pull that football away?  Depends.  Is Charlie a member of The Stupid Party?
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: libertybele on January 13, 2018, 04:31:39 am
Both.  He liked Kasich for President.

I can hardly wait till the Demented Windmill's term is up. 
Title: Re: Trump hits the brakes on Senate immigration deal
Post by: Cyber Liberty on January 13, 2018, 05:13:49 am
I can hardly wait till the Demented Windmill's term is up.

The story won't end there, it just goes into another chapter.