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Title: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: corbe on January 08, 2019, 10:46:25 pm
Trump to give prime-time address to the nation — live updates

Updated on: January 8, 2019 / 5:41 PM / CBS News



President Trump will deliver his first primetime address from the Oval Office Tuesday, as the partial government shutdown over border wall funding continues into its third week.

It will be Mr. Trump's first prime-time Oval Office address since taking office. The president's remarks, expected to last roughly eight minutes, will air at 9 p.m. ET. Democrats have also requested time on the networks to respond to the president's remarks. Shortly after the president's remarks conclude, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer will deliver a response, expected to be about five minutes long.

Mr. Trump is demanding $5.7 billion for border wall funding, while Democrats say they won't fund his wall. It's unclear where the shutdown stalemate ends.

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https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/trump-primetime-address-to-nation-speech-announcement-border-wall-fight-government-shutdown-today/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/live-news/trump-primetime-address-to-nation-speech-announcement-border-wall-fight-government-shutdown-today/)
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: corbe on January 08, 2019, 10:53:40 pm
   I don't expect too much tonight, just more Kabuki.  But his 2nd SOTU on the 29th, I suspect, will be a doozy when he tells them all 'You're Fired'.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: libertybele on January 08, 2019, 10:58:12 pm
   I don't expect too much tonight, just more Kabuki.  But his 2nd SOTU on the 29th, I suspect, will be a doozy when he tells them all 'You're Fired'.

I'm expecting a lot tonight.  Game over.  He will declare a National Emergency.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Victoria33 on January 08, 2019, 11:11:28 pm
@corbe

Thanks, corbe.  An 8 min. talk at 9 pm ET.  That is 8 pm CT.
Be there at the beginning as 8 min. goes by fairly fast.  Make your drink of whatever before it starts or you miss it.

@mystery-ak

The 8 min. time limit for the speech was/is noted on another thread.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2019, 11:16:46 pm


News
Pelosi, Schumer don’t have a script for their Trump rebuttal
https://nypost.com/2019/01/08/pelosi-schumer-dont-have-a-script-for-their-trump-rebuttal/
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Wingnut on January 08, 2019, 11:19:26 pm

News
Pelosi, Schumer don’t have a script for their Trump rebuttal
https://nypost.com/2019/01/08/pelosi-schumer-dont-have-a-script-for-their-trump-rebuttal/

This out to be great>  Hell,  Pelosi and Schumer couldn't ad lib a fart after a baked bean dinner.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2019, 11:25:40 pm
Democrats Preview Response to Trump Oval Office Speech: ‘There Is No National Emergency on the Southern Border’
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/08/democrats-preview-response-to-trump-oval-office-border-shutdown-speech-there-is-no-national-emergency-on-the-southern-border/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/08/democrats-preview-response-to-trump-oval-office-border-shutdown-speech-there-is-no-national-emergency-on-the-southern-border/)
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2019, 11:30:23 pm


News
Just 6 immigrants stopped at border were on terror watch list: report
https://nypost.com/2019/01/07/just-6-immigrants-stopped-at-border-were-on-terror-watch-list-report/
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: mystery-ak on January 08, 2019, 11:31:18 pm


News
Pence: Trump got the ‘impression’ that past presidents wanted wall
https://nypost.com/2019/01/08/pence-trump-got-the-impression-that-past-presidents-wanted-wall/
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: mountaineer on January 08, 2019, 11:44:16 pm
Weren't you asking about this, @Right_in_Virginia ?
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: jmyrlefuller on January 08, 2019, 11:46:14 pm

News
Just 6 immigrants stopped at border were on terror watch list: report
https://nypost.com/2019/01/07/just-6-immigrants-stopped-at-border-were-on-terror-watch-list-report/
It's not the ones we stopped we're worried about!
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: corbe on January 08, 2019, 11:55:34 pm
Will Trump declare an emergency tonight? Only he knows for sure

By Jordan Fabian - 01/08/19 03:39 PM EST
   

The White House is playing coy over whether President Trump will declare a national emergency in a primetime address to the nation Tuesday that would allow construction of a wall on the Mexican border to move forward.

Trump previewed his remarks to a group of broadcast and cable-news anchors over a lunch of Caesar salad and chicken in the Roosevelt Room of the White House, but aides said he did not reveal any plans to take the controversial step of declaring a national emergency.

“He is not giving a likelihood. He is not saying yes or no. But he’s made very clear to you and the public last week that he is considering it,” White House counselor Kellyanne Conway told reporters after the lunch ended.

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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/424397-will-trump-declare-an-emergency-tonight-only-he-knows-for-sure (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/424397-will-trump-declare-an-emergency-tonight-only-he-knows-for-sure)
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 08, 2019, 11:57:22 pm
Weren't you asking about this, @Right_in_Virginia ?

You're a sweetie @mountaineer ,,, thanks for the heads-up.  We've got 7:30 dinner reservations so this looks iffy.

I'll have my IPAD and phone should the spirit move me.   happy77
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: corbe on January 08, 2019, 11:59:36 pm
   Enjoy your Dinner @Right_in_Virginia we'll keep the light on for ya.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Wingnut on January 09, 2019, 12:04:22 am
   Enjoy your Dinner @Right_in_Virginia we'll keep the light on for ya.

Don't be a douche canoe.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: corbe on January 09, 2019, 12:12:08 am
   That's the Major problem I face here @The Ghost no one knows when I'm serious, in this particular post I was being very sincere and incidentally, being called a douche canoe sets my therapy back months.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: austingirl on January 09, 2019, 12:20:41 am

News
Pelosi, Schumer don’t have a script for their Trump rebuttal
https://nypost.com/2019/01/08/pelosi-schumer-dont-have-a-script-for-their-trump-rebuttal/

Right.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Wingnut on January 09, 2019, 12:27:09 am
   That's the Major problem I face here @The Ghost no one knows when I'm serious, in this particular post I was being very sincere and incidentally, being called a douche canoe sets my therapy back months.

Take a jigger...or maybe four fingers.  You will get over my dis.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: edpc on January 09, 2019, 12:31:37 am
I’m guessing, out of the TV viewers tonight, 30% will think it was the greatest speech ever, 30% will think it was the worst, 25% will be ambivalent, and 15% will watch something else.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Wingnut on January 09, 2019, 12:33:49 am
I’m guessing, out of the TV viewers tonight, 30% will think it was the greatest speech ever, 30% will think it was the worst, 25% will be ambivalent, and 15% will watch something else.

And 1% think you are a mensch.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: edpc on January 09, 2019, 12:37:21 am
And 1% think you are a mensch.


As a professional misanthrope, that’s 1% more than I expected.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: libertybele on January 09, 2019, 12:47:53 am
Big question; why just 8 minutes?  Why not 10 or 15??  8 minutes is kind of strange don't you think?  Why would he even announce the amount of time he's going to be taking? 
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: corbe on January 09, 2019, 12:52:11 am
   Latest Polls reflect that only 26% will think it's the greatest speech ever and with RiV enjoying Dinner we're down to 25%, where is @LegalAmerican when you need her?
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Wingnut on January 09, 2019, 12:56:49 am

As a professional misanthrope, that’s 1% more than I expected.

As the  certified TBR curmudgeon.. I gave you the benefit of the doubt.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: mystery-ak on January 09, 2019, 01:43:41 am
Dem senator jokes about holding drinking game for Trump's primetime address
By Avery Anapol - 01/08/19 08:38 PM EST

Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.) joked about holding a drinking game during President Trump’s primetime address regarding the border wall on Tuesday night.

Murphy tweeted that he tried to convince Sen. Brian Schatz (D-Hawaii) to take a shot of beer with him “every time Trump says something made up.”

“Full disclosure, I tried to convince [Brian Schatz] to livestream a Trump’s Not Telling The Truth drinking game tonight,” Murphy tweeted. “Me and him, shot of beer every time Trump says something made up. He didn’t bite.”

more
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/424462-dem-senator-jokes-about-holding-drinking-game-for-trumps-primetime-address
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: mystery-ak on January 09, 2019, 02:04:49 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwbzAG_X4AEJRy0.jpg)
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: mystery-ak on January 09, 2019, 02:06:34 am

Nick Short
‏Verified account @PoliticalShort
22s22 seconds ago

"Over the years thousands of Americans have been brutally killed by those who illegally entered our country and thousands more lives will be lost if we don't act right now. This is a humanitarian crisis, a crisis of the heart and soul." -
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: mystery-ak on January 09, 2019, 02:07:16 am

Steve Herman
‏Verified account @W7VOA
2m2 minutes ago

"All Americans are hurt by uncontrolled, illegal migration," says @POTUS, noting the especially the drugs smuggled in that are killing Americans and violent crimes committed by those who have entered the US illegally. "This is a crisis of the heart, a crisis of the soul."
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: mystery-ak on January 09, 2019, 02:08:48 am

Shannon Bream
‏Verified account @ShannonBream
3m3 minutes ago

POTUS from Oval Office:  We've put together a proposal based on what law enforcement and border patrol tell us they need.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: mystery-ak on January 09, 2019, 02:09:28 am

Rick Folbaum
‏Verified account @RickFolbaum
18s18 seconds ago

Trump:  The only thing that is immoral is to do nothing.
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Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: mystery-ak on January 09, 2019, 02:10:56 am

Debra Heine
‏Verified account @NiceDeb
17s17 seconds ago

Great line: People don't build walls around their homes because they hate the people on the outside, but because they love the people on the inside.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: mystery-ak on January 09, 2019, 02:11:58 am

Shannon Bream
‏Verified account @ShannonBream
4m4 minutes ago

POTUS from Oval Office:  Sen Schumer and other Dems have supported barrier at border in the past.  Positions only changed after I was elected.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Free Vulcan on January 09, 2019, 02:12:22 am
No Nat'l Emergency declaration.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Axeslinger on January 09, 2019, 02:13:41 am
No Nat'l Emergency declaration.
Kind of a “meh” all the way around.  He called on the people to call congress, but I think that point should’ve been hammered more.

Didn’t seem to be anything there requiring a natl address
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: TomSea on January 09, 2019, 02:14:44 am
@corbe

Thanks for this thread, I thought I could sense a subtle "Trump-formation" in your posts.  (Snicker)
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Wingnut on January 09, 2019, 02:15:48 am
Chuck and Nancy look small.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: libertybele on January 09, 2019, 02:16:33 am
He's specifically blaming the DEMS and Schumer ... he should have had pictures, stats, etc., to substantiate his claims ... he needed to shock the hell out of people rather than just stating his case. 

Secondly....anyone?  Did the President's eye look nearly shut??  He also seemed like he had a hard time breathing?  He seems ill???
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: austingirl on January 09, 2019, 02:17:32 am
Pelosi looks like she's embalmed. Heavy makeup. Wowser.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Bigun on January 09, 2019, 02:18:33 am
Build the Wall! Secure the damned Border!!!
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: corbe on January 09, 2019, 02:18:48 am
    I missed it I thought it was 9PM CST.  oh well.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Sanguine on January 09, 2019, 02:20:59 am
    I missed it I thought it was 9PM CST.  oh well.

I wasn't watching the clock and missed it.  Oh well, the talking heads will tell me what to think.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: libertybele on January 09, 2019, 02:22:01 am
Schumer is speaking ... calling out Trump as unnecessarily shutting down the border and hurting workers.  Nancy looks like she's comotose.

This will be a continued impass --- it will be up to the people to rise up and stand their ground.  DEMS are well organized ... I'm waiting for riots quite frankly.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: mystery-ak on January 09, 2019, 02:22:14 am
Kind of a “meh” all the way around.  He called on the people to call congress, but I think that point should’ve been hammered more.

Didn’t seem to be anything there requiring a natl address

Me either...says the same thing everyday to the press.. :shrug:
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: edpc on January 09, 2019, 02:22:47 am
Kind of a “meh” all the way around.  He called on the people to call congress, but I think that point should’ve been hammered more.

Didn’t seem to be anything there requiring a natl address



Illegal immigration was front and center, right before the midterms. Active duty personnel were very publicly sent to head off caravans. Despite that, the House was still lost. For two years, it wasn’t seriously introduced in Congress. Only at the 11th hour was any action taken. It obviously wasn’t a major issue with representatives and voters.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: libertybele on January 09, 2019, 02:24:14 am


Illegal immigration was front and center, right before the midterms. Active duty personnel were very publicly sent to head off caravans. Despite that, the House was still lost. For two years, it wasn’t seriously introduced in Congress. Only at the 11th hour was any action taken. It obviously wasn’t a major issue with representatives and voters.

Schumer is suggesting gov't open while issue debated ... it is being reported that Murkowski (R-AK) is agreeing.

Damn it!  ALL the GOP needs to stand behind this President!!!!
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: corbe on January 09, 2019, 02:24:52 am
Debra Heine
‏Verified account @NiceDeb
17s17 seconds ago

Great line: People don't build walls around their homes because they hate the people on the outside, but because they love the people on the inside.


 :amen:
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Bigun on January 09, 2019, 02:27:31 am
Schumer is suggesting gov't open while issue debated ... it is being reported that Murkowski (R-AK) is agreeing.

Damn it!  ALL the GOP needs to stand behind this President!!!!

If they don't do that they may as well shutter the GOP headquarters in Washington and go home!
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: edpc on January 09, 2019, 02:28:55 am
Schumer is suggesting gov't open while issue debated ... it is being reported that Murkowski (R-AK) is agreeing.


Gardner already has.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: libertybele on January 09, 2019, 02:31:49 am
If they don't do that they may as well shutter the GOP headquarters in Washington and go home!

I couldn't agree more.  IF the GOP can't stand united behind this president on this issue then they are WORTHLESS! 
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: mystery-ak on January 09, 2019, 02:32:42 am

Max Boot
‏Verified account @MaxBoot
1m1 minute ago

That was not a speech that will convince anyone who doesn’t own a #MAGA hat.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: libertybele on January 09, 2019, 02:34:06 am
I agree with the President, but IMHO he should have stated his case and declared a National Emergency.  Why ping pong it back to the DEMS??  Game over Mr. President. Don't give the DEMS any squirming room.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: mystery-ak on January 09, 2019, 02:34:13 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dwb5gLOUwAApFGc.jpg)
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: mystery-ak on January 09, 2019, 02:34:50 am

GregGutfeld
‏Verified account @greggutfeld
5m5 minutes ago

the fact-checking feast that CNN expected and salivated over all day came up empty.
hard to factcheck actual death of innocent Americans.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: libertybele on January 09, 2019, 02:35:44 am
Max Boot
‏Verified account @MaxBoot
1m1 minute ago

That was not a speech that will convince anyone who doesn’t own a #MAGA hat.

Definitely not.  He did not make a strong case.   The only thing that is in play now, is the blame game and who can play it better.  I'm thoroughly disgusted.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: mystery-ak on January 09, 2019, 02:36:06 am

Tammy Bruce
‏Verified account @HeyTammyBruce
16m16 minutes ago

The Schumer/Pelosi response is stiff, angry and disconnected, highlighting even more @realDonaldTrump’s genuine concern about humanitarian crisis unfolding at the border. Dems didn’t address the issue, focused on politics. #smh
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: corbe on January 09, 2019, 02:36:33 am
    Just as the Republicans split from the Whigs in 1857 over Slavery, could it not be the time to consider another rejuvenation?

(https://i.imgflip.com/1xofnf.jpg)

   @Bigun 
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Sanguine on January 09, 2019, 02:37:43 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dwb5gLOUwAApFGc.jpg)

What is wrong with Schumer's face?
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: edpc on January 09, 2019, 02:37:46 am
Pelosi looks like she's embalmed. Heavy makeup. Wowser.


She and Pirro seem to be approaching the singularity.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: libertybele on January 09, 2019, 02:37:54 am
GregGutfeld
‏Verified account @greggutfeld
5m5 minutes ago

the fact-checking feast that CNN expected and salivated over all day came up empty.
hard to factcheck actual death of innocent Americans.

Trump is supposed to visit the border ... he should have waited to address the nation.... gone in with a film crew showing the crisis at the border, interviewing victim's families, interview border agents and then Declared a National Emergency!
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on January 09, 2019, 02:38:36 am
Oh goody.  More talk from the President.  I don't want to hear again what Trump wants or what he's gonna do.  I wanna know what he did for the last two years besides golf. 

A national address for this? ****slapping
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: libertybele on January 09, 2019, 02:39:44 am
Anyone?  Still concerned about Pres. Trump's eye ... his right eye (our viewing left) looked almost shut ... both eyes looked swollen.  He appears ill to me.  Make up helped.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Victoria33 on January 09, 2019, 02:40:06 am
Secondly....anyone?  Did the President's eye look nearly shut??  He also seemed like he had a hard time breathing?  He seems ill???
@libertybele

Not ill - he did not want to stay with the words he was required to say and nothing else.  He has always gone off of printed speeches to do his own thing, but he stayed on each word in front of him and said nothing else.  It was his defiance countenance you saw, his not wanting to say it. The speech sounded like KellyAnne Conway wrote it - touchy/feely, crises of the heart; crises of the soul. 

Okay, just heard he did not want to do this; his aides wanted it to happen.  Again, this was likely thought up by Conway.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: mystery-ak on January 09, 2019, 02:40:54 am
Trump is supposed to visit the border ... he should have waited to address the nation.... gone in with a film crew showing the crisis at the border, interviewing victim's families, interview border agents and then Declared a National Emergency!

EXACTLY....that is what I was hoping for instead of an 8min press release that we hear everyday
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: corbe on January 09, 2019, 02:41:53 am
   Nancy reminds me of this guy somehow:

(https://thoseconspiracyguys.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/heavens-gate-cover.jpg)
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Emjay on January 09, 2019, 02:42:18 am
Max Boot
‏Verified account @MaxBoot
1m1 minute ago

That was not a speech that will convince anyone who doesn’t own a #MAGA hat.

But it was a nationally televised speech that in a short period of time delineated all the issues and made an excellent case for border security.

It put the ball squarely in the democrat's court.

I certainly didn't expect him to declare a national emergency during this speech.  That will take a lot more consideration.

Good Lord.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: edpc on January 09, 2019, 02:42:22 am
GregGutfeld
‏Verified account @greggutfeld
5m5 minutes ago

the fact-checking feast that CNN expected and salivated over all day came up empty.
hard to factcheck actual death of innocent Americans.



I guess Greg missed the immediate rebuttal by Shep on Fox.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: libertybele on January 09, 2019, 02:42:31 am
@libertybele

Not ill - he did not want to stay with the words he was required to say and nothing else.  He has always gone off of printed speeches to do his own thing, but he stayed on each word in front of him and said nothing else.  It was his defiance countenance you saw, his not wanting to say it. The speech sounded like KellyAnne Conway wrote it - touchy/feely, crises of the heart; crises of the soul. 

Okay, just heard he did not want to do this; his aides wanted it to happen.  Again, this was likely thought up by Conway.

Heard from whom??  Off script or on script ... his eye still looked nearly shut.  He obviously had difficulty breathing; almost like someone on/off oxygen source.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: TomSea on January 09, 2019, 02:43:32 am
2008 Dem Platform, secure on border.... Mark Levine, on Hannity now...
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: libertybele on January 09, 2019, 02:44:53 am
EXACTLY....that is what I was hoping for instead of an 8min press release that we hear everyday

This 8 minutes is only allowing the liberal news media to criticize him BIGLY for the next day or so and to lay adoration at the feet of Schumer and Pelosi.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: truth_seeker on January 09, 2019, 03:02:08 am
No Nat'l Emergency declaration.

Yet.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Victoria33 on January 09, 2019, 03:03:29 am
Pelosi looks like she's embalmed. Heavy makeup. Wowser.
@austingirl

I checked on Wikipedia and she is 79.  She looks older than I am.  Maybe she played golf out in the sun.  I would burn in the sun so I stayed out of it.  Could be she would not let Wikipedia state her real age.  One can tell she has had plastic surgery as her skin is thin, pulled up to her eyes.  After plastic surgery, a woman looks like a mannequin - not real.

I thought she must be close to 90 as her ability to find words she wants to say, is gone and she can't stay on the subject in one sentence.  I think she may have had mini-strokes as that would account for her language/memory going and she has been this way for several years but it has been getting worse since last year.  I didn't think she would be here this year, thought she would resign.  She has said this will be her last year.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: truth_seeker on January 09, 2019, 03:04:10 am
Build the Wall! Secure the damned Border!!!

LIKE !!
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: edpc on January 09, 2019, 03:10:27 am
Secondly....anyone?  Did the President's eye look nearly shut??  He also seemed like he had a hard time breathing?  He seems ill???


Resting Trump Face. It’s the same look he had during the 2018 shut down.


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Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Meldrew on January 09, 2019, 03:10:34 am
I got that vibe too.

   Nancy reminds me of this guy somehow:

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Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Victoria33 on January 09, 2019, 03:12:12 am
Heard from whom??  Off script or on script ... his eye still looked nearly shut.  He obviously had difficulty breathing; almost like someone on/off oxygen source.
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@libertybele

White House reporter said it.  Maybe he is ill, will likely find that out soon as he is going to the border Thursday.  If sick, he won't go.

It was obvious to me his mouth stayed small, barely saying the words in front of him with little emotion.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: ABX on January 09, 2019, 03:16:14 am
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Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: edpc on January 09, 2019, 03:17:28 am
It was obvious to me his mouth stayed small, barely saying the words in front of him with little emotion.


He and Obama are opposites in that respect. Trump is lousy on a teleprompter and Obama is lost without one.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Chosen Daughter on January 09, 2019, 03:17:31 am

News
Just 6 immigrants stopped at border were on terror watch list: report
https://nypost.com/2019/01/07/just-6-immigrants-stopped-at-border-were-on-terror-watch-list-report/ (https://nypost.com/2019/01/07/just-6-immigrants-stopped-at-border-were-on-terror-watch-list-report/)

I think we know what 6 terrorists are capable of.  If they have caught any it is too many.  But for the sake of argument if 1,2,3,4,5,10,15 have been caught then more have slipped through.

About terrorism:

Narco-Terrorism

Redefining Mexican Drug Cartels

 
Scot N. DuFour, Task Force Officer, OCDETF Strike Force, Drug Enforcement Administration

http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/redefining-mexican-drug-cartels/ (http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/redefining-mexican-drug-cartels/)

https://www.cnn.com/2013/08/06/justice/teen-cartel-killers/index.html (https://www.cnn.com/2013/08/06/justice/teen-cartel-killers/index.html)

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/teens-trained-brutal-assassins-mexican-drug-cartel-book-article-1.2777030 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/teens-trained-brutal-assassins-mexican-drug-cartel-book-article-1.2777030)

These two young killers put a huge hole in Democrats claims that border towns  have less crime.  I think someone is cooking the books.

Bill Seeks to Designate Drug Cartels as Terrorists


By JULIÁN AGUILARAPRIL 21, 2011


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A Texas congressman is seeking to designate seven of the top Mexican cartels as “foreign terrorist organizations,” a move he says would give law enforcement in the United States enhanced tools to combat the cartels.

Legislation proposed by Representative Michael McCaul, Republican of Austin, takes aim at the Arellano Félix organization, Los Zetas, La Familia Michoacana, and the Beltrán Leyva, Sinaloa, Juárez and Gulf cartels. It would permit the government to freeze money tied to the organizations and enhance the criminal penalties for those found aiding the cartels.

“The definition under federal law of terrorism says ‘to intimidate a civilian population or a government by assassination or kidnappings.’ To me the cartels fall squarely into that definition,” said Mr. McCaul, a former chief of counterterrorism and national security in the United States attorney’s office. “I am concerned that Mexico is losing this war against the drug cartels, and so are we.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/22/us/22ttcartels.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/22/us/22ttcartels.html)


Los Zedas and Hezbollah

https://www.utep.edu/liberalarts/nssi/_Files/docs/Capstone%20projects1/Valencia_Evolving-Dynamics-of-Terrorism.pdf (https://www.utep.edu/liberalarts/nssi/_Files/docs/Capstone%20projects1/Valencia_Evolving-Dynamics-of-Terrorism.pdf)
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: EasyAce on January 09, 2019, 03:21:05 am
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I don't care what anyone says, they're not as funny as Gomez and Morticia!
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Chosen Daughter on January 09, 2019, 03:21:47 am
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If those two aren't criminals I don't know who is.  Talking about untruths.  They have absolutely no intention to work on border security.  The Democrats only intentions is to allow millions more illegal aliens into the country.  Very apparent by the Democratic Governor of California.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: austingirl on January 09, 2019, 03:25:09 am
@austingirl

I checked on Wikipedia and she is 79.  She looks older than I am.  Maybe she played golf out in the sun.  I would burn in the sun so I stayed out of it.  Could be she would not let Wikipedia state her real age.  One can tell she has had plastic surgery as her skin is thin, pulled up to her eyes.  After plastic surgery, a woman looks like a mannequin - not real.

I thought she must be close to 90 as her ability to find words she wants to say, is gone and she can't stay on the subject in one sentence.  I think she may have had mini-strokes as that would account for her language/memory going and she has been this way for several years but it has been getting worse since last year.  I didn't think she would be here this year, thought she would resign.  She has said this will be her last year.

Yes, she's had a lot of work and eventually there is nothing left to nip and tuck. The makeup was extreme.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Chosen Daughter on January 09, 2019, 03:25:32 am
Definitely not.  He did not make a strong case.   The only thing that is in play now, is the blame game and who can play it better.  I'm thoroughly disgusted.

I didn't think it was that bad.  Eight minutes is hardly enough time to tell Americans about the enormous risk to their security caused by open borders.  He shouldn't have mentioned that Chuck and Nancy were up next.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: corbe on January 09, 2019, 03:26:13 am
   I'm withholding opinion until Rush's broadcast tomorrow.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Chosen Daughter on January 09, 2019, 03:27:47 am
Debra Heine
‏Verified account @NiceDeb
17s17 seconds ago

Great line: People don't build walls around their homes because they hate the people on the outside, but because they love the people on the inside.

Yeah, great line that makes me think that our government doesn't love Americans (people on inside).
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: edpc on January 09, 2019, 03:28:54 am

News

Just 6 immigrants stopped at border were on terror watch list: report
https://nypost.com/2019/01/07/just-6-immigrants-stopped-at-border-were-on-terror-watch-list-report/ (https://nypost.com/2019/01/07/just-6-immigrants-stopped-at-border-were-on-terror-watch-list-report/)



On the northern border, CBP stopped 91 people listed in the database, including 41 who were not American citizens or residents.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/only-six-immigrants-terrorism-database-stopped-cbp-southern-border-first-n955861 (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigration/only-six-immigrants-terrorism-database-stopped-cbp-southern-border-first-n955861)


National Emergency: Northern Border

It’s going to become like CSI or Law & Order.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Emjay on January 09, 2019, 03:30:48 am
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It was only a kaboom if you expected one.  I thought by getting his speech on the networks, Trump was taking his case to the American people and he did just that.

People here are all too familiar with it but everyone isn't.

Anyone who expected Trump to declare war or a national emergency on this speech was not being real.  He may declare a national emergency but there will be a lot more press leading up to it.

Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: EasyAce on January 09, 2019, 03:32:10 am
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@ABX
President Tweety's speech  . . .

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qyOBYELuOI#)

. . . and the Damnocratic response . . .

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C63HnJT620#)

. . .

Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 09, 2019, 03:59:13 am
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Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 09, 2019, 04:01:59 am
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Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 09, 2019, 04:03:51 am
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Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: XenaLee on January 09, 2019, 04:06:12 am
I’m guessing, out of the TV viewers tonight, 30% will think it was the greatest speech ever, 30% will think it was the worst, 25% will be ambivalent, and 15% will watch something else.

Mark me down for the 15% group.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 09, 2019, 04:06:51 am
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Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: EasyAce on January 09, 2019, 04:06:52 am
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Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 09, 2019, 04:09:36 am
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Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 09, 2019, 04:09:55 am
Quote
Lou Dobbs ‏ Verified account @LouDobbs 5m5 minutes ago

 Pelosi and Schumer have made the biggest mistake of their political lives. Americans will reject their cynical refusal to support @realDonaldTrump as he asked them to join with him in doing their duty to protect our citizens and our nation. #MAGA #AmericaFirst 
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 09, 2019, 04:20:27 am
Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSmEu9S0eb4#)
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 09, 2019, 04:24:13 am
I didn't think it was that bad.  Eight minutes is hardly enough time to tell Americans about the enormous risk to their security caused by open borders.  He shouldn't have mentioned that Chuck and Nancy were up next.

I'm delighted he mentioned Chuck and Nancy were up next.  I wouldn't want one voter to have missed that show.   :silly:
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: the_doc on January 09, 2019, 04:25:00 am
@mystery-ak
@Sanguine
@Quix
@Frank Cannon

Max Boot
‏Verified account @MaxBoot
1m1 minute ago

That was not a speech that will convince anyone who doesn’t own a #MAGA hat.

Maybe the speech was a rope-a-dope. 

Our POTUS said we have a serious crisis, but as everyone on our side noticed, he gave very little data supporting that position even though he certainly could have.  Trump appears to be thereby dangling a seemingly lovely opportunity for the Dems to flatly deny the fact of the crisis--e.g., saying "It's all manufactured!."  Heck, that's their entire playbook.  They have to stick to it and hope against hope that doubling down on their lies will somehow win the debate (especially if they yell louder and louder).   

I am guessing that the idiot Dems are  pretty relieved right now, considering the fact that Trump's speech was so low-key.  The Dems will likely be delighted to go loudly and clearly on record that Nasty Old Trump is lying about the "crisis."  (After all, he didn't even try to make a strong case, did he?  It would appear that he has no very high cards in his hand--right?)

Ah, but if President Trump has some way of getting air time again--and I am willing to bet that he does!--he will be able publicly to eat the Dems alive with lots and lots of verified data and mind-blowing video footage.  (Hopefully, the latest Central American caravan will be here soon.)  This next speech, way over eight minutes in length (!), would be the best way to show that the Dems and the MSM are over-the-top liars.  They will have taken their best shot, but it will be demonstrably devoid of all of the important FACTS.  By rebutting the rebuttals, there will be no further effective rebuttals possible for the Dems.  The Dems will have already shot their wad in their attack.  Trump's rhetorical counterattack could sarcastically thank them for having opened up the issues of the facts on the border and in our homeland, thanking them for focusing our electorate's attention on cold, hard facts--the FACTS that TRUMP WILL REVEAL OVER AND AGAINST THE FAKE NEWS THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN GETTING. 

If Trump is playing everything this way, his opening speech tonight was merely designed to open the discussion, not to end it--not to win the debate with a first round knock-out.  The speech was good enough to pique the curiosity of the hoi polloi over the next several days, and it did have some gems that rang true even in the foul souls of the political reprobates who will try to attack him as a phony.  Most important of all, however, Trump will have set up ominous momentum for himself and will wind up having essentially the last word in the debate--which is always a good thing.  By securing the dramatic final position in the debate, luring the Dems into presenting their "Just Smear Trump" position, he will have turned the tables on the Dems.  In fact, I assume that Trump can and probably will unleash his most ferocious and unanswerable accusations against the Dems and MSM while he is schooling the American public on how bad the mess is IN SPITE OF WHAT THE LYING, SOCIALIST CROOKS HAVE BEEN TELLING THEM.

This rope-a-dope strategy, with Trump posing as having only a nice-sounding but fairly calm, soft argument, will focus many political numbskulls' attention on the real villains in the overall fracas--i.e., the Radical Socialists who are trying to destroy our country by their sheer hypocrisy, by their fake and outrageously un-American "compassion' for the tired and poor over and against America's necessary sovereignty and necessary national security.  The will see that the facts of the dangerous border mess are on Trump's side.  All but the craziest admirers of the Socialist crooks will notice that the Dems have no facts.  Many patriotic but confused, misinformed, foolish Democrat voters will finally connect the dots to see that their political heroes don't just hate Trump:  they are power-mad Socialist elitists who hate America itself and who are just using their Democratic Party base as a huge mob of useful idiots.

***

Finally, it occurs to me that the reason why Trump did not declare an emergency during this speech might be that he is going to do it in the next speech--forcing himself onto the air again in a crushing counterattack against the Dems and the MSM.  He might even use the Emergency Alert System to stellar advantage for this move.  (He might even use the occasion of the border wall discussion to telegraph his intentions to marshal federal forces against voting fraudsters and even sanctuary city/state crooks--opening sealed grand jury indictments, for example.  This would jolt a lot of folks into considering the possibility that our unsecured border and our sanctuary cities and our horrible mess of voting fraud really do frame a major conspiracy to take down America--i.e., a real emergency.)

Remember:  The DHS has not made its final report on the problem of voting fraud.  (I certainly haven't seen it, at least.)

Why do I think Trump might be playing it all this way?  I dunno.  I suppose that it's because this is the way I would play it if I were him.  (Gee, I hope he's as shrewd as I am. tri22) 
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 09, 2019, 04:28:28 am
@libertybele

Not ill - he did not want to stay with the words he was required to say and nothing else.  He has always gone off of printed speeches to do his own thing, but he stayed on each word in front of him and said nothing else. 

I'd love to hear your opinion of Schumer's eyes @Victoria33

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Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 09, 2019, 04:30:11 am
Chuck and Nancy look small.

They were two against one and they still lost.   :smokin:
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: corbe on January 09, 2019, 04:31:25 am
  It's obvious that you play 48 dimension chess also @the_doc
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Frank Cannon on January 09, 2019, 04:32:26 am
It was the best of speeches. It was the worst of speeches. It was the age of a border wall. It was the age of making everyone in the world US citizens. It was the season of Trump. It was the season of two embalmed Rats. We had MAGA before us. We had Occasional-Coffeetable before us.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 09, 2019, 04:38:58 am
Me either...says the same thing everyday to the press.. :shrug:

I know this is hard to believe @mystery-ak but there really are millions of Americans who don't spend 24/7 looking for every quote and tweet from the President.  And since many of these same people no longer watch the "news" shows, this was a good opportunity to hear directly from the President, succinctly, rationally with a very good mix of compassion and strength.

This is one more step toward the wall.  Tomorrow's meeting is another and Thursday's trip to Texas is a third.

BTW, did I miss Pelsoi or Schumer repeating the "not one dime for the wall" bullshit tonight?   :smokin:
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: the_doc on January 09, 2019, 04:39:21 am
@Right_in_Virginia

I'm delighted he mentioned Chuck and Nancy were up next.  I wouldn't want one voter to have missed that show.   :silly:

I agree--for the reasons I presented in my post, above.  Trump was playing nice--sort of--but he knew that their politically rigid playbook is vacuous nonsense.  He wanted America to get a little hint that he's not worried about their asinine response.

The idea of "up next" is Trump's way of framing the news program as a debate--a debate that he plans to win going away by forcing the Dems to show their polemical cards at the wrong time and in the wrong way.  This is just the first round, I think.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on January 09, 2019, 04:42:09 am
@Right_in_Virginia

I agree--for the reasons I presented in my post, above.  Trump was playing nice--sort of--but he knew that their politically rigid playbook is vacuous nonsense.  He wanted America to get a little hint that he's not worried about their asinine response.

The idea of "up next" is Trump's way of framing the news program as a debate--a debate that he plans to win going away by forcing the Dems to show their polemical cards at the wrong time and in the wrong way.  This is just the first round, I think.

I don't know how, but I missed your post ... and I agree @the_doc   :beer:
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: corbe on January 09, 2019, 04:58:19 am
   I just caught the rerun on YouTube, I think his hair looked great.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Victoria33 on January 09, 2019, 05:00:01 am
No government in the 6,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.
@corbe
@mystery-ak
@Freya 

Corbe, That is a fine statement; here it is larger:
No government in the 6,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.

That is a true statement.  If you want to remain free, have control of your life, learn the history of what happens to "X" country when they do "Y".  When one reads the history of nations, we see why they finally fell.  The Roman Empire fell when they conquered so many countries, they couldn't keep up with the demands of the people and keep control of that many countries, so they went down.  The British Empire did the same thing - conquered too many countries - spread out too thin with not enough English military to keep order in the countries, so they went down.

Countries with dictators went down as citizens finally revolted and took down the dictator. Closer to our time, The Union of Socialist Soviet Republics went down when communism failed; the people revolted due to not enough food, not enough heat to keep them warm and not enough clothes for the cold winters. The individual countries split off to provide for their own citizens. Russia with Putin is a danger; he is like a dictator now.

In reality, every person is his/her own country.  One must provide for him/herself, not depend on anyone else to provide for him/her.  Your country is your house, your backyard, and you are the "President for Life" of your country. You control your country.  Make your country what you want it to be; protect it and supply it with your needs.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: the_doc on January 09, 2019, 05:00:07 am
I don't know how, but I missed your post ... and I agree @the_doc   :beer:

Yeah, it was my post #98.  This thread is moving fast.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: sneakypete on January 09, 2019, 07:37:04 am
Chuck and Nancy look small.

@The Ghost

They both look like advertisements for an embalming service.

BTW,I would LOVE to see someone ask Chuckie if Israel needs a wall.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Quix on January 09, 2019, 09:35:49 am
Buddy tweeted him that we thought his speech was about 60-70% what it needed to be. That he NEEDS to b*tch-slap the traitorous liberal idiots awake with starkly vivid, even harsh descriptions of the horrific evil deeds of the cabal shills etc.

I think he and Congress need to hear from millions telling hims something similar. Quit with the rabbit fur lined kid gloves already yet.

Those inclined to curl up in a catatonic ball will do so no matter how gently you tell them the truth.

WE MUST HAVE THE FOUNDATION CLEARED, CLEANED and start building again on a thorough description of true reality--of THE TRUTH about the evil doers; evil deeds etc. etc. else we are just shadow-boxing and too vulnerable to tolerate the same carp again.


@mystery-ak
@Sanguine
@Quix
@Frank Cannon

Maybe the speech was a rope-a-dope. 

Our POTUS said we have a serious crisis, but as everyone on our side noticed, he gave very little data supporting that position even though he certainly could have.  Trump appears to be thereby dangling a seemingly lovely opportunity for the Dems to flatly deny the fact of the crisis--e.g., saying "It's all manufactured!."  Heck, that's their entire playbook.  They have to stick to it and hope against hope that doubling down on their lies will somehow win the debate (especially if they yell louder and louder).   

I am guessing that the idiot Dems are  pretty relieved right now, considering the fact that Trump's speech was so low-key.  The Dems will likely be delighted to go loudly and clearly on record that Nasty Old Trump is lying about the "crisis."  (After all, he didn't even try to make a strong case, did he?  It would appear that he has no very high cards in his hand--right?)

Ah, but if President Trump has some way of getting air time again--and I am willing to bet that he does!--he will be able publicly to eat the Dems alive with lots and lots of verified data and mind-blowing video footage.  (Hopefully, the latest Central American caravan will be here soon.)  This next speech, way over eight minutes in length (!), would be the best way to show that the Dems and the MSM are over-the-top liars.  They will have taken their best shot, but it will be demonstrably devoid of all of the important FACTS.  By rebutting the rebuttals, there will be no further effective rebuttals possible for the Dems.  The Dems will have already shot their wad in their attack.  Trump's rhetorical counterattack could sarcastically thank them for having opened up the issues of the facts on the border and in our homeland, thanking them for focusing our electorate's attention on cold, hard facts--the FACTS that TRUMP WILL REVEAL OVER AND AGAINST THE FAKE NEWS THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN GETTING. 

If Trump is playing everything this way, his opening speech tonight was merely designed to open the discussion, not to end it--not to win the debate with a first round knock-out.  The speech was good enough to pique the curiosity of the hoi polloi over the next several days, and it did have some gems that rang true even in the foul souls of the political reprobates who will try to attack him as a phony.  Most important of all, however, Trump will have set up ominous momentum for himself and will wind up having essentially the last word in the debate--which is always a good thing.  By securing the dramatic final position in the debate, luring the Dems into presenting their "Just Smear Trump" position, he will have turned the tables on the Dems.  In fact, I assume that Trump can and probably will unleash his most ferocious and unanswerable accusations against the Dems and MSM while he is schooling the American public on how bad the mess is IN SPITE OF WHAT THE LYING, SOCIALIST CROOKS HAVE BEEN TELLING THEM.

This rope-a-dope strategy, with Trump posing as having only a nice-sounding but fairly calm, soft argument, will focus many political numbskulls' attention on the real villains in the overall fracas--i.e., the Radical Socialists who are trying to destroy our country by their sheer hypocrisy, by their fake and outrageously un-American "compassion' for the tired and poor over and against America's necessary sovereignty and necessary national security.  The will see that the facts of the dangerous border mess are on Trump's side.  All but the craziest admirers of the Socialist crooks will notice that the Dems have no facts.  Many patriotic but confused, misinformed, foolish Democrat voters will finally connect the dots to see that their political heroes don't just hate Trump:  they are power-mad Socialist elitists who hate America itself and who are just using their Democratic Party base as a huge mob of useful idiots.

***

Finally, it occurs to me that the reason why Trump did not declare an emergency during this speech might be that he is going to do it in the next speech--forcing himself onto the air again in a crushing counterattack against the Dems and the MSM.  He might even use the Emergency Alert System to stellar advantage for this move.  (He might even use the occasion of the border wall discussion to telegraph his intentions to marshal federal forces against voting fraudsters and even sanctuary city/state crooks--opening sealed grand jury indictments, for example.  This would jolt a lot of folks into considering the possibility that our unsecured border and our sanctuary cities and our horrible mess of voting fraud really do frame a major conspiracy to take down America--i.e., a real emergency.)

Remember:  The DHS has not made its final report on the problem of voting fraud.  (I certainly haven't seen it, at least.)

Why do I think Trump might be playing it all this way?  I dunno.  I suppose that it's because this is the way I would play it if I were him.  (Gee, I hope he's as shrewd as I am. tri22) 
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: edpc on January 09, 2019, 11:21:06 am
And since many of these same people no longer watch the "news" shows, this was a good opportunity to hear directly from the President his speech writers, succinctly, rationally with a very good mix of compassion and strength.



It was a boring immigration bedtime story and he was bored. That was evident.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on January 09, 2019, 11:32:05 am
Chuck and Nancy did look ridiculous.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: XenaLee on January 09, 2019, 12:29:39 pm
@mystery-ak
@Sanguine
@Quix
@Frank Cannon

Maybe the speech was a rope-a-dope. 

Our POTUS said we have a serious crisis, but as everyone on our side noticed, he gave very little data supporting that position even though he certainly could have.  Trump appears to be thereby dangling a seemingly lovely opportunity for the Dems to flatly deny the fact of the crisis--e.g., saying "It's all manufactured!."  Heck, that's their entire playbook.  They have to stick to it and hope against hope that doubling down on their lies will somehow win the debate (especially if they yell louder and louder).   

I am guessing that the idiot Dems are  pretty relieved right now, considering the fact that Trump's speech was so low-key. The Dems will likely be delighted to go loudly and clearly on record that Nasty Old Trump is lying about the "crisis."  (After all, he didn't even try to make a strong case, did he?  It would appear that he has no very high cards in his hand--right?)

Ah, but if President Trump has some way of getting air time again--and I am willing to bet that he does!--he will be able publicly to eat the Dems alive with lots and lots of verified data and mind-blowing video footage.  (Hopefully, the latest Central American caravan will be here soon.)  This next speech, way over eight minutes in length (!), would be the best way to show that the Dems and the MSM are over-the-top liars.  They will have taken their best shot, but it will be demonstrably devoid of all of the important FACTS.  By rebutting the rebuttals, there will be no further effective rebuttals possible for the Dems.  The Dems will have already shot their wad in their attack.  Trump's rhetorical counterattack could sarcastically thank them for having opened up the issues of the facts on the border and in our homeland, thanking them for focusing our electorate's attention on cold, hard facts--the FACTS that TRUMP WILL REVEAL OVER AND AGAINST THE FAKE NEWS THAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN GETTING. 

If Trump is playing everything this way, his opening speech tonight was merely designed to open the discussion, not to end it--not to win the debate with a first round knock-out.  The speech was good enough to pique the curiosity of the hoi polloi over the next several days, and it did have some gems that rang true even in the foul souls of the political reprobates who will try to attack him as a phony.  Most important of all, however, Trump will have set up ominous momentum for himself and will wind up having essentially the last word in the debate--which is always a good thing.  By securing the dramatic final position in the debate, luring the Dems into presenting their "Just Smear Trump" position, he will have turned the tables on the Dems.  In fact, I assume that Trump can and probably will unleash his most ferocious and unanswerable accusations against the Dems and MSM while he is schooling the American public on how bad the mess is IN SPITE OF WHAT THE LYING, SOCIALIST CROOKS HAVE BEEN TELLING THEM.

This rope-a-dope strategy, with Trump posing as having only a nice-sounding but fairly calm, soft argument, will focus many political numbskulls' attention on the real villains in the overall fracas--i.e., the Radical Socialists who are trying to destroy our country by their sheer hypocrisy, by their fake and outrageously un-American "compassion' for the tired and poor over and against America's necessary sovereignty and necessary national security.  The will see that the facts of the dangerous border mess are on Trump's side.  All but the craziest admirers of the Socialist crooks will notice that the Dems have no facts.  Many patriotic but confused, misinformed, foolish Democrat voters will finally connect the dots to see that their political heroes don't just hate Trump:  they are power-mad Socialist elitists who hate America itself and who are just using their Democratic Party base as a huge mob of useful idiots.

***

Finally, it occurs to me that the reason why Trump did not declare an emergency during this speech might be that he is going to do it in the next speech--forcing himself onto the air again in a crushing counterattack against the Dems and the MSM.  He might even use the Emergency Alert System to stellar advantage for this move.  (He might even use the occasion of the border wall discussion to telegraph his intentions to marshal federal forces against voting fraudsters and even sanctuary city/state crooks--opening sealed grand jury indictments, for example.  This would jolt a lot of folks into considering the possibility that our unsecured border and our sanctuary cities and our horrible mess of voting fraud really do frame a major conspiracy to take down America--i.e., a real emergency.)

Remember:  The DHS has not made its final report on the problem of voting fraud.  (I certainly haven't seen it, at least.)

Why do I think Trump might be playing it all this way?  I dunno.  I suppose that it's because this is the way I would play it if I were him.  (Gee, I hope he's as shrewd as I am. tri22)

All those words.... just to say his speech was.... underwhelming?  lol
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Gefn on January 09, 2019, 02:51:28 pm
@corbe
@mystery-ak
@Freya 

Corbe, That is a fine statement; here it is larger:
No government in the 6,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.

That is a true statement.  If you want to remain free, have control of your life, learn the history of what happens to "X" country when they do "Y".  When one reads the history of nations, we see why they finally fell.  The Roman Empire fell when they conquered so many countries, they couldn't keep up with the demands of the people and keep control of that many countries, so they went down.  The British Empire did the same thing - conquered too many countries - spread out too thin with not enough English military to keep order in the countries, so they went down.

Countries with dictators went down as citizens finally revolted and took down the dictator. Closer to our time, The Union of Socialist Soviet Republics went down when communism failed; the people revolted due to not enough food, not enough heat to keep them warm and not enough clothes for the cold winters. The individual countries split off to provide for their own citizens. Russia with Putin is a danger; he is like a dictator now.

In reality, every person is his/her own country.  One must provide for him/herself, not depend on anyone else to provide for him/her.  Your country is your house, your backyard, and you are the "President for Life" of your country. You control your country.  Make your country what you want it to be; protect it and supply it with your needs.

@Victoria33
@corbe
Gibbons Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire should be mandatory reading for every student in high school to graduate or get a GED.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: the_doc on January 09, 2019, 04:44:41 pm
@Quix

All those words.... just to say his speech was.... underwhelming?  lol

That's a pretty good summary.  [LOL]

Actually, I used all of those words just to reassure TBR folks that Trump is probably smarter than all of the conservatives who are complaining in pretty bitter disappointment about his speech.  Trump is adept at turning the tables on his opponents.  As an example of that, Jerome Corsi has repeatedly pointed out that Trump always wins right after it looks like he is losing.  I'll bet it's all in Sun Tzu's Art of War.

Our POTUS is devious.  And he understands the dynamics of a knock-down-drag-out fight.  And yeah, I would have given a pretty soft speech at this juncture.  It sets the stage for the real fight to come--when he DEFIES the CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES. 
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: XenaLee on January 09, 2019, 04:53:09 pm
@Quix

That's a pretty good summary.  [LOL]

Actually, I used all of those words just to reassure TBR folks that Trump is probably smarter than all of the conservatives who are complaining in pretty bitter disappointment about his speech.  Trump is adept at turning the tables on his opponents.  As an example of that, Jerome Corsi has repeatedly pointed out that Trump always wins right after it looks like he is losing.  I'll bet it's all in Sun Tzu's Art of War.

Our POTUS is devious.  And he understands the dynamics of a knock-down-drag-out fight.  And yeah, I would have given a pretty soft speech at this juncture.  It sets the stage for the real fight to come--when he DEFIES the CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES.

Well... call me impatient... but....

I want to see that defiance (like.. yesterday/last year).    happy77

I've learned to take what I can get when it comes to politics (GOP Congress ssdd failures)....

so I'll wait a little longer.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: the_doc on January 09, 2019, 06:23:53 pm
@mystery-ak
@Quix @Sanguine
@XenaLee
@Right_in_Virginia   

Buddy tweeted him that we thought his speech was about 60-70% what it needed to be. That he NEEDS to b*tch-slap the traitorous liberal idiots awake with starkly vivid, even harsh descriptions of the horrific evil deeds of the cabal shills etc.

I think he and Congress need to hear from millions telling hims something similar. Quit with the rabbit fur lined kid gloves already yet.

Those inclined to curl up in a catatonic ball will do so no matter how gently you tell them the truth.

WE MUST HAVE THE FOUNDATION CLEARED, CLEANED and start building again on a thorough description of true reality--of THE TRUTH about the evil doers; evil deeds etc. etc. else we are just shadow-boxing and too vulnerable to tolerate the same carp again.


I agree with this.  I just think Trump already knows it all and knew it all when he prepped his speech. 

I believe that the contrast between a fur-gloved approach and the hard-nosed emergency confrontation that I expect to see pretty soon from Trump will make that follow-up confrontation all the more explosive.  We need for many of the catatonic folks to be blown awake by the very realization that they had run away from the Truth to find a warm, comfy spot to nap.

Trump expects his supporters to be patient in this strange mess.  (Yeah, he stretches our patience pretty often, because he often has to do so).  Remember:  He telegraphed his intentions much earlier this year that he was going to use the Corps of Engineers to build the wall, but he couldn't do it immediately, because such a pathway is a political and legal mine field.  My point is that Trump has never really wavered in his intentions concerning the construction of the wall by the military even when he has appeared to waver in some ways for purposes of political and legal due diligence.  (Heck, he has never even wavered in his plan to arrest HRC.  He was flat-out lying when he said on Inauguration Day, 2016, that the Clintons had already suffered enough.)

When Trump opted for the government shutdown, he knew as well as you and I did that the Dems would NEVER budge under the pressure of the shutdown.  He was merely using the shutdown to get the American people sufficiently agitated (at the lying Progressives!) to set up his own foreordained scenario of using the Corps of Engineers and non-earmarked federal funds to build the wall over the objections of Congress. The lovely government shutdown was just a gift from the stupid Dems and the MSM.  It has made the whole subject of the wall downright incendiary, and Trump will turn it into a flamethrower against the Progressives.  (Remember this:  The border wall controversy is just part of the much larger War Against the Deep State.  The War is a war against the demonic lying/corruption of the Dems and the MSM--who obviously don't mind if we turn America into another s__hole country.  This reality is starting to come out--big time.) 

In short, Trump is using the unwilling MSM as theater in the play that he has scripted.  The denouement will be happening soon.  It's always in the dramatic final act.  Everything in a good drama is just a lead-up to the end.  (The heartwarming stuff in Act I has already been said and it will support the appalling [not especially heartwarming] ferocity of the final act.)

***

You may conclude from this that Buddy's tweet was not necessary to shape Trump's plan.  Trump will gladly receive impatient tweets such as Buddy's because it will encourage a groundswell of support for the fiercely Trumpean confrontation that Trump is surely already planning against our un-American traitors.  (Trump has enough self-confidence to laugh at supporters who think he's a bungler at this time.  Trump lives for winning even as he lets himself look like he's losing.) 
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: the_doc on January 09, 2019, 06:50:35 pm
@Amb. Frank Cannon
It was the best of speeches. It was the worst of speeches. It was the age of a border wall. It was the age of making everyone in the world US citizens. It was the season of Trump. It was the season of two embalmed Rats. We had MAGA before us. We had Occasional-Coffeetable before us.

What in the dickens are you saying, Frank?

(Read my more conspicuously optimistic posts on this thread, buddy.) 
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Wingnut on January 09, 2019, 07:05:57 pm
@Amb. Frank Cannon
What in the dickens are you saying, Frank?


:rimshot:

He is a little dickens... isn't he.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Frank Cannon on January 09, 2019, 07:41:06 pm
:rimshot:

He is a little dickens... isn't he.

LOL. Top Notch!
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Frank Cannon on January 09, 2019, 07:41:43 pm
@Amb. Frank Cannon
What in the dickens are you saying, Frank?

(Read my more conspicuously optimistic posts on this thread, buddy.)

Top Notch.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Quix on January 10, 2019, 12:53:54 pm
Well... call me impatient... but....

I want to see that defiance (like.. yesterday/last year).    happy77

I've learned to take what I can get when it comes to politics (GOP Congress ssdd failures)....

so I'll wait a little longer.

Agreed. thanks.
Title: Re: **LIVE STICKY** Trump's Prime-Time Address to the Nation 1/8
Post by: Quix on January 10, 2019, 12:55:58 pm
Doc, I think your points are good ones in your posts on this. Thanks.



@mystery-ak
@Quix @Sanguine
@XenaLee
@Right_in_Virginia   

I agree with this.  I just think Trump already knows it all and knew it all when he prepped his speech. 

I believe that the contrast between a fur-gloved approach and the hard-nosed emergency confrontation that I expect to see pretty soon from Trump will make that follow-up confrontation all the more explosive.  We need for many of the catatonic folks to be blown awake by the very realization that they had run away from the Truth to find a warm, comfy spot to nap.

Trump expects his supporters to be patient in this strange mess.  (Yeah, he stretches our patience pretty often, because he often has to do so).  Remember:  He telegraphed his intentions much earlier this year that he was going to use the Corps of Engineers to build the wall, but he couldn't do it immediately, because such a pathway is a political and legal mine field.  My point is that Trump has never really wavered in his intentions concerning the construction of the wall by the military even when he has appeared to waver in some ways for purposes of political and legal due diligence.  (Heck, he has never even wavered in his plan to arrest HRC.  He was flat-out lying when he said on Inauguration Day, 2016, that the Clintons had already suffered enough.)

When Trump opted for the government shutdown, he knew as well as you and I did that the Dems would NEVER budge under the pressure of the shutdown.  He was merely using the shutdown to get the American people sufficiently agitated (at the lying Progressives!) to set up his own foreordained scenario of using the Corps of Engineers and non-earmarked federal funds to build the wall over the objections of Congress. The lovely government shutdown was just a gift from the stupid Dems and the MSM.  It has made the whole subject of the wall downright incendiary, and Trump will turn it into a flamethrower against the Progressives.  (Remember this:  The border wall controversy is just part of the much larger War Against the Deep State.  The War is a war against the demonic lying/corruption of the Dems and the MSM--who obviously don't mind if we turn America into another s__hole country.  This reality is starting to come out--big time.) 

In short, Trump is using the unwilling MSM as theater in the play that he has scripted.  The denouement will be happening soon.  It's always in the dramatic final act.  Everything in a good drama is just a lead-up to the end.  (The heartwarming stuff in Act I has already been said and it will support the appalling [not especially heartwarming] ferocity of the final act.)

***

You may conclude from this that Buddy's tweet was not necessary to shape Trump's plan.  Trump will gladly receive impatient tweets such as Buddy's because it will encourage a groundswell of support for the fiercely Trumpean confrontation that Trump is surely already planning against our un-American traitors.  (Trump has enough self-confidence to laugh at supporters who think he's a bungler at this time.  Trump lives for winning even as he lets himself look like he's losing.)