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General Category => Military/Defense News => Topic started by: rangerrebew on May 20, 2020, 11:05:22 am
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For most of Afghanistan war, U.S. ‘never really fought to win,’ Trump declares
Missy Ryan
President Trump on Monday declared that the United States had “never really fought to win†in Afghanistan, except early in the nearly two-decade-long war, making a sweeping statement about military efforts as thousands of U.S. troops continue to serve, and sometimes die, in counterinsurgent operations there.
In a series of tweets, the president pushed back against a May 17 Wall Street Journal editorial cautioning against abrupt decisions regarding Afghanistan, where U.S. officials are seeking to facilitate a peace deal between Taliban militants and the Afghan government ahead of a planned reduction in U.S. forces.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/for-most-of-afghanistan-war-america-never-really-fought-to-win-trump-declares/ar-BB14gO23 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/for-most-of-afghanistan-war-america-never-really-fought-to-win-trump-declares/ar-BB14gO23)
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I don;t see this as a reflection on the performance of the troops there, who have doubtless done their jobs and often suffered for it, some for the rest of their lives.
The failure isn't there, on the line, so much as in the hallowed halls where strategy is formulated and passed on to be executed.
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Richard Fontaine, who served as foreign policy adviser to late senator John McCain (R) and is now chief executive of the Center for a New American Security, said that “anybody who said we didn’t fight to win would have a hard time explaining Obama’s surge, when the military unleashed very serious operations again the Taliban.â€
Obama... lol
BO had to approve every mission and every target before he allowed the military to execute and mission. Having 100,000 troops "standing by" is not winning.
Just like JBJ was resurrected.....
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Obama... lol
BO had to approve every mission and every target before he allowed the military to execute and mission. Having 100,000 troops "standing by" is not winning.
Just like JBJ was resurrected.....
O'Bastard really, really wanted to lose that war, and he had a perfect template already in place. All he had to do was micromanage it into defeat, then fob it off on his successor.
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For most of Afghanistan war, U.S. ‘never really fought to win,’ Trump declares...
You can't win a war unless you face up to who the enemy is.
And since September 11, 2001, we in this country (along with the entire West) have been in denial as to exactly who (or what) that "enemy" actually is.
Will we wake up before it's too late?
Hint:
We're not going to defeat it by overthrowing the government leaders of any countries of the Mideast -- because, in those countries, they aren't the force that's actually in control...
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(http://vetxprs.org/images/AmericaNotAtWar.jpg)
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The U.S. has been unwilling to kill a sufficient number of civilians, such that the remaining civilians desire their leadership to beg for peace.
Fanatical Japs were willing to fight until the last one died. Once we started and continued obliging them, they sued for unconditional surrender.
Firebombing and nuclear bombing two cities, worked.
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the others until present have not found the methods and means, to deal with islam to peace by any means necessary.
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Until you deal with Pakistan, you aren't going to win in Afghanistan.
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Too many people in congress with no military expertise acting as generals and admirals. tri22
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I hope nobody is surprised by this. We,as a nation,haven't fought to win since 1945.
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I don;t see this as a reflection on the performance of the troops there, who have doubtless done their jobs and often suffered for it, some for the rest of their lives.
The failure isn't there, on the line, so much as in the hallowed halls where strategy is formulated and passed on to be executed.
@Smokin Joe
The damage is done one level higher,in Congress.
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Richard Fontaine, who served as foreign policy adviser to late senator John McCain (R) and is now chief executive of the Center for a New American Security, said that “anybody who said we didn’t fight to win would have a hard time explaining Obama’s surge, when the military unleashed very serious operations again the Taliban.â€
Who the hell is this "Richard Fontaine" creature?
Has HE ever suited up,grabbed a rifle,and charged up a hill or a beach under fire? Somehow,I kinda doubt it.
What I DON'T doubt is that he is "plugged in" to companies with DOD contracts.
People like him are the problem,not the solution.
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The U.S. has been unwilling to kill a sufficient number of civilians, such that the remaining civilians desire their leadership to beg for peace.
Fanatical Japs were willing to fight until the last one died. Once we started and continued obliging them, they sued for unconditional surrender.
Firebombing and nuclear bombing two cities, worked.
@truth_seeker
It worked because the Emperor and the General Staff knew that Tokyo was next,they had no place to hide,and they KNEW they and their families would die too unless they surrendered.
The Japanese people themselves were conditioned to fight to the death. The leadership,not so much;
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and the others until present have not found the methods and means, to deal with islam to peace by any means necessary.
Those incompetent asshats couldn't find their own asses with both hands looking. Boy Jorge got us involved in those wars for personal political reasons,and congress and the defense industry won't let us leave.
NEVER fight a war you have no intention of winning. We could easily win if we wanted,but we don't want to win or we would have already won.
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Until you deal with Pakistan, you aren't going to win in Afghanistan.
@Free Vulcan
Neither Pakistan or any of the other Arab nations would be a problem if we weren't afraid of taking out the Mullahs. Let the religious leaders KNOW without a shadow of a doubt that we WILL kill them personally unless they back off,and the "Holy War" comes to an end for a generation,at least.
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@Free Vulcan
Neither Pakistan or any of the other Arab nations would be a problem if we weren't afraid of taking out the Mullahs. Let the religious leaders KNOW without a shadow of a doubt that we WILL kill them personally unless they back off,and the "Holy War" comes to an end for a generation,at least.
Totally agree with that.
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@Smokin Joe
The damage is done one level higher,in Congress.
It was the Congress who pulled the funding that encouraged the NVA to overrun South Vietnam. Massed troops, convoys of armored vehicles, etc.
Had we rolled in on that with Skyraiders, gunships, and fast movers--and even an arclight, and the 'highway of death' might have been seen long before Kuwait. And South Vietnam might be a different place...
But no. The Congress removed the Honor from the Peace. (Now they are doing it with Islamists on the other end).
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It was the Congress who pulled the funding that encouraged the NVA to overrun South Vietnam. Massed troops, convoys of armored vehicles, etc.
Had we rolled in on that with Skyraiders, gunships, and fast movers--and even an arclight, and the 'highway of death' might have been seen long before Kuwait. And South Vietnam might be a different place...
But no. The Congress removed the Honor from the Peace. (Now they are doing it with Islamists on the other end).
I always felt the globalists in our govt played games in Vietnam for the single goal of breaking the U.S. sense of confidence and direction, and send us in a tailspin.
Which it rightly did until Reagan came along.
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I always felt the globalists in our govt played games in Vietnam for the single goal of breaking the U.S. sense of confidence and direction, and send us in a tailspin.
Which it rightly did until Reagan came along.
I thought so, too, and never have trusted McNamara, or Kissinger either, for that matter.
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It was the Congress who pulled the funding that encouraged the NVA to overrun South Vietnam. Massed troops, convoys of armored vehicles, etc.
Had we rolled in on that with Skyraiders, gunships, and fast movers--and even an arclight, and the 'highway of death' might have been seen long before Kuwait. And South Vietnam might be a different place...
But no. The Congress removed the Honor from the Peace. (Now they are doing it with Islamists on the other end).
Revenge against Nixon was far more important than the pathetic lives of some South Vietnamese people. A "small price" to pay to ensure Ford's defeat in '76. The Rats have been running this play since before I was born.
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Revenge against Nixon was far more important than the pathetic lives of some South Vietnamese people. A "small price" to pay to ensure Ford's defeat in '76. The Rats have been running this play since before I was born.
Mo-om! They're at it again.
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Mo-om! They're at it again.
:mauslaff:
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But no. The Congress removed the Honor from the Peace. (Now they are doing it with Islamists on the other end).
@Smokin Joe
That's what they have to do to make sure America fails. Their goal is to destroy America as an independent nation and make us a cog in the New World Order machine. This will never happen if we are allowed to win.
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Revenge against Nixon was far more important than the pathetic lives of some South Vietnamese people. A "small price" to pay to ensure Ford's defeat in '76. The Rats have been running this play since before I was born.
@Cyber Liberty
Oh,it began long before that. The Dims betrayed America after both JFK and LBJ were losing,but then Nixon got elected and started getting tough with the VN communists. The DNC couldn't live with the Republicans winning a war the Dims could only manage to lose,so they sabotaged Nixon every chance they got. They REALLY lost their nut when Nixon started carpet-bombing all the NVA supply depots hidden in the jungles of Laos and Cambodia because even Dims understand that no war can be fought without ammunition,food supplies,and medical supplies.
So they pulled all US troops out of VN and then broke their word to the SVN and cut off all supplies to them to make damn sure they lost.
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@Cyber Liberty
Oh,it began long before that. The Dims betrayed America after both JFK and LBJ were losing,but then Nixon got elected and started getting tough with the VN communists. The DNC couldn't live with the Republicans winning a war the Dims could only manage to lose,so they sabotaged Nixon every chance they got. They REALLY lost their nut when Nixon started carpet-bombing all the NVA supply depots hidden in the jungles of Laos and Cambodia because even Dims understand that no war can be fought without ammunition,food supplies,and medical supplies.
So they pulled all US troops out of VN and then broke their word to the SVN and cut off all supplies to them to make damn sure they lost.
Which, if you look at things is how they roll.
If they are losing, they change the rules, move the goalposts, or refuse to let anyone use the ball. Besides, with all that New Left stuff going on, they were more closely aligned with the crew serving the AA gun Jane Fonda sat at than the guys over in the Hanoi Hilton.
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Bushs 2 wars sunk the USA trillions and the nation will never recover
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Bushs 2 wars sunk the USA trillions and the nation will never recover
@Quasar44
That's nothing compared to both the financial and the emotional cost of all the lives thrown away to provide union jobs for Dim voters and kickbacks to the Bush Crime Family.
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Can you be a tad more specific ???
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"But no. The Congress removed the Honor from the Peace."
You can't give what you don't have so Congress couldn't remove it. And speaking of congress, to be honest they aren't at fault. It's the LIVs, the lazy voters who votes for a party not an individual, the deceased voters, and the illegal voters that keep putting the same old water logged wood back in congress that are the problem. ****sheep****
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"But no. The Congress removed the Honor from the Peace."
You can't give what you don't have so Congress couldn't remove it. And speaking of congress, to be honest they aren't at fault. It's the LIVs, the lazy voters who votes for a party not an individual, the deceased voters, and the illegal voters that keep putting the same old water logged wood back in congress that are the problem. ****sheep****
My comment was a play on the "Peace with Honor" we were supposed to have with Vietnam, still funding much of their military effort against the North. Congress, dominated by Democrats, pulled that funding, thus facilitating the invasion of the South by the NVA. Now true, and true perhaps even then, when the hippies and Leftists were roaming in the streets, and instead of being feted at the White House (Ayers/Dohrn) , Leftist terrorists were risking blowing themselves up...
No wonder there is so much '60s redux in everything the Left is doing.
From witch hunts to impeachment, to obama era race riots, to little Communists roaming the streets, it's all the same playbook with an even more dumbed down population.
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My comment was a play on the "Peace with Honor"
They still couldn't have anything with honor because congress stopped having any during the Civil War when they ceded to the supreme court all the tough positions they should have been making to begin with rather than risk angering voters. :nono:
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They still couldn't have anything with honor because congress stopped having any during the Civil War when they ceded to the supreme court all the tough positions they should have been making to begin with rather than risk angering voters. :nono:
Well, at the time the Congress our people were watching met in Richmond, even though our State had been occupied before it could vote.
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President Trump on Monday declared that the United States had “never really fought to win†in Afghanistan.
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Hmm......... and who to better understand this, than our 'Stable Genius'-in-Chief,
given his military knowledge and war record.
Speaking of genius, while at the Ecole Militaire, Napoleon paid Alexander of Macedon
the highest of compliments, labeling him "unparalleled and undefeated" which he was.
Alexander conquered and pacified Afghanistan applying force, resolve and patience.
Wonder if any of our Pentagon types ever heard of either of them???
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Hmm......... and who to better understand this, than our 'Stable Genius'-in-Chief,
given his military knowledge and war record.
Speaking of genius, while at the Ecole Militaire, Napoleon paid Alexander of Macedon
the highest of compliments, labeling him "unparalleled and undefeated" which he was.
Alexander conquered and pacified Afghanistan applying force, resolve and patience.
Wonder if any of our Pentagon types ever heard of either of them???
It's risky for a President to say an ongoing war was a "mistake," because the leftists will immediately pipe up, "So what do you tell the parents of the last soldier to die? That the war was a 'mistake'?"
Are you not saying that now? Are you a good leftist?
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Hmm......... and who to better understand this, than our 'Stable Genius'-in-Chief,
given his military knowledge and war record.
@Absalom
Well,he clearly understands what has been going on better than you,so what does that say about YOUR self-esteem?
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@Absalom
Well,he clearly understands what has been going on better than you,so what does that say about YOUR self-esteem?
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Hmm............another predictable Fan Clubber praising a disgraceful Draft Dodger!!!!!
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Hmm............another predictable Fan Clubber praising a disgraceful Draft Dodger!!!!!
@Absalom
LOL!