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Were we really?? A majority means nothing if they vote along with the minority.....

I don't get this at all.  So you're against allying with Democrats on voting issues?

The people who voted to get rid of McCarthy were a tiny minority of Republicans who conspired with the overwhelming majority of Democrats.  But those are the people you support!

On this foreign aid bill, a majority of Republicans on the committee voted for the rule, and a majority of Republicans in the House overall voted for the amendment on the floor.  But the Speaker somehow is wrong for being aligned with a clear majority of his own party??

Why are their opinions discounted just because they were joined by some Democrats?  Do you know who joined much of the Freedom Caucus in opposing that Amendment?  The Progressive Caucus!  The entire "Squad" voted against it, so those are your political allies.

This is the kind of hyper partisanship @jmyrlefuller was talking about elsewhere.  Judging legislation not it's actual merits, but on who is for or against it.  Which seems rather like a chicken/egg problem as far as I'm concerned.
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The Federal Bureau of Investigation has been exonerated by a Department of Justice review that found investigators did not intend to target traditional Catholics as potential "racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists."

The Justice Department Inspector General review noted, however, that analysts "incorrectly conflated" an investigative subject's religious views with his alleged domestic terrorism activities.


<sarc> What a relief.  We have no need to be concerned about
the FBI conducting a witch hunt to purge America of religious "extremists."

Except for the repeated, ongoing statements by "President" Biden and his surrogates
about "right wing extremism" being America's number one security risk.

Never mind the numerous rioters in places like Portland Oregon
that the "Democratic" Party's financial backers are funding
(providing transportation and lodging.)
They're not a "security risk."

And never mind the thugs who keep on committing
numerous, repeated robberies, beatings, etc.
that the Democrat prosecutors keep putting back on the street
after being arrested MANY times!

And never mind the gang bangers, who commit 80% of the murders in America.
They're just an "oppressed minority."

We need to beware of the over 100 million peaceful conservatives
who The Regime claims are guilty by association
with the tiny number of actual "right wing extremists" (skinheads, etc.)
(with whom conservatives have no association)
who commit only 0.25% of the murders in America anyway. </sarc>
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Plenty of Republicans do, but they don't have the votes.  It's as simple as that.

Because RINOs are better than Democrats... Let that sink in.  :whistle:
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The truth of the matter is that no one in either party wants the border secured.

Plenty of Republicans do, but they don't have the votes.  It's as simple as that.
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We’ll be extremely lucky if 2024 doesn’t turn to a blue wave

Whether you support Ukraine or not, Ukraine falling would have been a disaster for Republicans because they - quite rightly - would have been blamed for holding up military aid.  Still may be blamed for delaying it so along.  But at least the bill passed with majority GOP support, so the GOP can blunt any attacks in that line in the general election.
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And no wonder. The Republicans are standing upon nothing.

The slimness of the majority maximizes the power of each member, and of each faction.  That makes it almost impossible for them to stick together on anything controversial.

If we want a more conservative House, we have to elect more conservatives.  There aren't any shortcuts.  Trying shortcuts by vacating the Speakership or by minorities acting as disruptors will not work, and likely only reduce the chances of electing more conservatives.
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Am I missing something here?
Did the Dems really take over the House?
Or did they only collude with Speaker Johnson
in some procedural trickery to get just one bill passed?

I suppose one could say that this sets an example
of how the Dems and RINOs could do the same sort of thing again.
I don't see this as "the Dems taking over the House."
It looks to me like it's just another example of someone caving in to political pressure.
Which is hard to stand against when the majority is so slim.

Also, am I the only one who thinks that Speaker Johnson
looks similar to Clark Kent?
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The same solutions prevail. The way you do it is ground up, grassroots... Start taking it back. It's a long and bitter thing, not fixed by shiny shit or political messiahs, with no rest for the weary. Eternal Vigilance. Always. Little corrections along the way are much easier than sweeping changes. But when the chips are down, and sweeping change is what you need, it is still one vote at a time, from the bottom up.

You should know. Look at your own state. a decade ago it was purple.

Hope remains.

 :beer:
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Well, in theory and years ago when we actually had some election integrity, power could be taken from them at the ballot. Voting for only conservatives was a remedy.  I don't believe that we have 'free and fair' elections any longer.  It's not a matter of voting out RINO's...it's a matter of finding a way to stop the corruption.  How?  I wish I knew the answer.

When we have 535 members of Congress  regardless of what party they represent; NOT doing what is best for America, we have a major, major problem. When we have a DOJ that is basically investigating themselves or failing to investigate the corruption that abounds, we have a major, major problem.

The same solutions prevail. The way you do it is ground up, grassroots... Start taking it back. It's a long and bitter thing, not fixed by shiny shit or political messiahs, with no rest for the weary. Eternal Vigilance. Always. Little corrections along the way are much easier than sweeping changes. But when the chips are down, and sweeping change is what you need, it is still one vote at a time, from the bottom up.

You should know. Look at your own state. a decade ago it was purple.

Hope remains.
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Yep, once it was established the real conservative right would sell out for centralist ideas, candidates stopped even trying to appease them. If you have no line in the sand, then that line gets blown away. Want my vote, be a conservative Christian.


I think it is more about the message: Other entities (read populists, neocons) always abscond with, and then alter the Conservative message. Even now. They are ALL conservatives during an election year. I don't think real Conservatives have moved an inch - It's not in their nature, guided by eternal principles.

But very much like Christianity (or rather Judeo-Christianity), orthodoxy is hard to maintain against usurpers. Real Christians, Bible-believing Christians, cannot be in favor of abortion or homosexuality, but look at how many 'christian' churches and organizations do exactly that... Watering the message to suit themselves.

Conservatism suffers the exact same fate. And like Christians, they vote with their feet, and many once Conservative organizations have fallen to liberalism, or have died on the vine heading that way. That does not mean there are less Conservatives. Just that they are no longer represented. Even as measurement of Christianity seems to indicate less Christians because their membership is no longer found in hierarchical old school denominations... Like Christianity, Conservatism has gone congregational. I literally don't know a single Conservative Republican. They're all independents now.

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I miss @INVAR

Oh, me too! Many philosophical Conservatives of every stripe are gone from here - Those who used to lend their wisdom.
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