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General Category => National/Breaking News => Topic started by: Gefn on November 29, 2017, 12:13:48 pm
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Today show announced there was an in appropriate sexual behavior complaint filed against Lauer.
http://nbc4i.com/2017/11/29/matt-lauer-terminated-from-today-show/ (http://nbc4i.com/2017/11/29/matt-lauer-terminated-from-today-show/)
Breaking. Story will be updated.
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http://abc13.com/entertainment/today-show-co-host-matt-lauer-fired-for-inappropriate-behavior/2711209/ (http://abc13.com/entertainment/today-show-co-host-matt-lauer-fired-for-inappropriate-behavior/2711209/)
"NBC news chairman Andy lack sent the following note to our organization. Dear, colleagues, on Monday night, we received a detailed complaint from a colleague about inappropriate sexual behavior in the workplace by Matt Lauer. It represented, after a serious review, a clear violation of our company's standards. As a result, we've decided to terminate his employment. While it is the first complaint about his behavior in the over 20 years he has been at NBC news, we were also presented with reason to believe this may not have been an isolated incident. Our highest priority is to create a workplace environment where everyone feels safe and protected. And any action that runs counter to our core values are met with consequences. We are saddened by these events. We will face it together as a news organization and do it as transparent a manner as we can. That's from our chairman."
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Is it me or are liberals self-immolating get lately?
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This is becoming the new McCarthyism. No evidence. Just an accusation and a man's life is destroyed. The link doesn't even say what the accusation is
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20 years of service, a one day investigation and he's out? I wonder when this happened and what video/texting evidence there is. :pondering:
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Ha!
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20 years of service, a one day investigation and he's out? I wonder when this happened and what video/texting evidence there is. :pondering:
I have a solution, if you are a male do not hire any females. If you are forced to work with
females do not ever allow yourself to do so without another male present.
A one day investigation? LOL, Matt get yourself a very good lawyer.
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This is becoming the new McCarthyism. No evidence. Just an accusation and a man's life is destroyed. The link doesn't even say what the accusation is.
They're picking off high profilers until the cheese stands alone.
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This is becoming the new McCarthyism. No evidence. Just an accusation and a man's life is destroyed. The link doesn't even say what the accusation is
I agree. Just because the liberals are being caught up in the net right now is no reason to celebrate. We're next.
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Matt Lauer allegedly sexually assaulted staffer during Olympics
NY Post, Nov 29, 2017, Emily Smith and Yaron Steinbuch
Matt Lauer allegedly sexually assaulted a female NBC staffer during the Sochi Winter Olympics in 2014, sources told Page Six.
An NBC insider said Lauer’s alleged victim complained to HR on Monday, “This happened so quickly. She didn’t go to the media, she made a complaint to NBC’s human resources, and her evidence was so compelling that Matt was fired on Tuesday night. The victim says she has evidence that this has also happened to other women, but so far we don’t have evidence of that.â€
Another source tells us that the decision to fire Lauer was made late last night by NBC News chairman Andy Lack.
More: https://pagesix.com/2017/11/29/matt-lauer-allegedly-sexually-assaulted-female-staffer-during-olympics/?_ga=2.10506167.2066167976.1511961681-1572487064.1511961673
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No mention of the actual "assault". I wonder if it's criminal.
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@Right_in_Virginia
Two headlines from the last hour.
I don't know if they deserve separate threads.
One concerns the actor Jeremy Piven. One concerns Angela Landsbury.
http://www.businessinsider.com/cbs-cancels-wisdom-of-the-crowd-after-jeremy-piven-sexual-misconduct-allegations-2017-11 (http://www.businessinsider.com/cbs-cancels-wisdom-of-the-crowd-after-jeremy-piven-sexual-misconduct-allegations-2017-11)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/angela-lansbury-women-must-sometimes-take-blame-for-sexual-harassment/ar-BBFSABO?OCID=ansmsnnews11 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/angela-lansbury-women-must-sometimes-take-blame-for-sexual-harassment/ar-BBFSABO?OCID=ansmsnnews11)
Jessica Fletcher is a smart lady. - interesting spin.
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Team Hillary Clinton cheers Matt Lauer's firing, says he was mean to her
Washington Examiner, Nov 29, 2017, Paul Bedard
The abrupt firing of NBC Today Show co-host Matt Lauer prompted cheers among Hillary Clinton’s loyalists who feel that he was extraordinarily mean to her — and soft on President Trump — during the 2016 presidential campaign.
“Another person whose interview with Trump was ridiculously soft and interview with Hillary was incredibly tough: Matt Lauer,†tweeted former Clinton aide Neera Tanden, president of the Center for American Progress.
Another former Clinton aide, Verrit co-founder Peter Daou, wrote on Facebook, "Matt Lauer was fired today. One by one, we're finding out the true character of the male journalists who treated Hillary Clinton (and her voters) with seething disdain."
Read more: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/team-hillary-clinton-cheers-matt-lauers-firing-says-he-was-mean-to-her/article/2641970 (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/team-hillary-clinton-cheers-matt-lauers-firing-says-he-was-mean-to-her/article/2641970)
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This is becoming the new McCarthyism. No evidence. Just an accusation and a man's life is destroyed. The link doesn't even say what the accusation is
Coup via leftist and feminazis
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@Right_in_Virginia
Two headlines from the last hour.
I don't know if they deserve separate threads.
One concerns the actor Jeremy Piven. One concerns Angela Landsbury.
http://www.businessinsider.com/cbs-cancels-wisdom-of-the-crowd-after-jeremy-piven-sexual-misconduct-allegations-2017-11 (http://www.businessinsider.com/cbs-cancels-wisdom-of-the-crowd-after-jeremy-piven-sexual-misconduct-allegations-2017-11)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/angela-lansbury-women-must-sometimes-take-blame-for-sexual-harassment/ar-BBFSABO?OCID=ansmsnnews11 (https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/angela-lansbury-women-must-sometimes-take-blame-for-sexual-harassment/ar-BBFSABO?OCID=ansmsnnews11)
Jessica Fletcher is a smart lady. - interesting spin.
I think we need a new Forum Section: "Sexual Harassment" ^-^
I vote for posting the above separately ...(especially Jessica's). I suspect lots of "stuff" will be coming in on this thread about Lauer so the other news might get lost.
@Freya
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I think we need a new Forum Section: "Sexual Harassment" ^-^
Nah, that will be taken as invitation.
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This is becoming the new McCarthyism. No evidence. Just an accusation and a man's life is destroyed. The link doesn't even say what the accusation is
Reminiscent of the Daycare investigations based on phony child abuse accusations of the 1990's and the quackery of "repressed childhood memory" and other fake science and lies. Innocent people are getting swept up in the hoopla. The press not only has a front row seat but they are the cheerleaders.
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Gotta read Peggy Noonan to understand what's at work here. The paradigm is shifting, and women are being believed. Polls show over 60% of working women have experienced harassment in the workplace. The press and media industries are the vanguard, with careers being ruined on the basis of credible charges. But it will soon extend to other industries as well.
And maybe, just maybe, to politicians.
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Gotta read Peggy Noonan to understand what's at work here. The paradigm is shifting, and women are being believed. Polls show over 60% of working women have experienced harassment in the workplace. The press and media industries are the vanguard, with careers being ruined on the basis of credible charges. But it will soon extend to other industries as well.
Asking for a date and/or complementing a co-worker on an outfit or hair style in the workplace will now become sexual harassment and inappropriate behavior and grounds for dismissal.
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Kinda funny that the Dems started this push to punish men for harassment as a means to attack Foxnews and conservatives.
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Asking for a date and/or complementing a co-worker on an outfit or hair style in the workplace will now become sexual harassment and inappropriate behavior and grounds for dismissal.
I doubt it. Does your spouse work? Ask her, and you may be surprised at the tales she'll tell.
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Kinda funny that the Dems started this push to punish men for harassment as a means to attack Foxnews and conservatives.
I agree. They've created a monster, and it's eating their own. But again - read Peggy Noonan. This is a paradigm shift that has been a long time coming.
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Kinda funny that the Dems started this push to punish men for harassment as a means to attack Foxnews and conservatives.
A classic case of being hoisted on one's own petard.
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Asking for a date and/or complementing a co-worker on an outfit or hair style in the workplace will now become sexual harassment and inappropriate behavior and grounds for dismissal.
Actually that behavior has been prohibited for quite some time. They usually add the word 'unwanted' in front though. Generally HR wont do anything for the first time but will for repeated times.
Unless its vulgar or the bosses daughter.
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Actually that behavior has been prohibited for quite some time. They usually add the word 'unwanted' in front though. Generally HR wont do anything for the first time but will for repeated times.
Unless its vulgar or the bosses daughter.
The point is when the pendulum starts swinging in knee jerk cases like these it always goes to the extreme before it corrects to center.
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Matt Lauer's wonderful rendition of that famous scene from The Hunt for Red October. :laugh:
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I agree. They've created a monster, and it's eating their own. But again - read Peggy Noonan. This is a paradigm shift that has been a long time coming.
@Jazzhead do you have a link to it? I'm just wondering because I worked in that field and I'm wondering what considers sexual harressment. I've had male colleagues tell me I looked pretty and I thought nothing about it but the kids who were twenty years younger than me considered it haressment.
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The point is when the pendulum starts swinging in knee jerk cases like these it always goes to the extreme before it corrects to center.
It sure does and when i do hiring its one of the things I look for. Of course I dont want people who behave poorly but I also dont want people with a chip on their shoulder.
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@Jazzhead do you have a link to it? I'm just wondering because I worked in that field and I'm wondering what considers sexual harressment. I've had male colleagues tell me I looked pretty and I thought nothing about it but the kids who were twenty years younger than me considered it haressment.
@Freya, Peggy writes for the Wall Street Journal, and I'm a paper subscriber (I read it every morning on the train to work). You can find her columns on the WSJ website, but they're behind a paywall.
I think she's the best political columnist in America.
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'Don't be sarcastic': Matt Lauer confronts Bill O'Reilly about sexual-harassment claims in tense interview
http://www.businessinsider.com/matt-lauer-bill-oreilly-interview-sexual-harassment-2017-9 (http://www.businessinsider.com/matt-lauer-bill-oreilly-interview-sexual-harassment-2017-9)
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@Jazzhead do you have a link to it? I'm just wondering because I worked in that field and I'm wondering what considers sexual harressment. I've had male colleagues tell me I looked pretty and I thought nothing about it but the kids who were twenty years younger than me considered it haressment.
@Freya
And I've walked into rooms where the women were talking about their double Ds and more. Then there's the girl that came up to me, stuck out her chest and asked if I thought she needed a boob job. I walked away and she walked down to HR.
Today I'd report both cases and get them fired.
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Apparently the NYT has been working on a story about Lauer.
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Apparently the NYT has been working on a story about Lauer.
If the story was about a republican The Slimes would have had it on the web in print before he was fired....
But in fairness to one of their own they wanted to get all the facts I'm sure...
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The liberals spread the gas and lit the match on this topic.
Not alot of sympathy if they get burned.
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The liberals spread the gas and lit the match on this topic.
Not alot of sympathy if they get burned.
Somewhere Roger Ailes is giggling like a ninny.
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This is becoming the new McCarthyism. No evidence. Just an accusation and a man's life is destroyed. The link doesn't even say what the accusation is
Page 6 was investigating Lauer and went to NBC with substantial proof of him raping a female colleague at the Olympics. Page 6 says there is also more women coming forward.
NBC would not have fired him without significant proof.
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If the story was about a republican The Slimes would have had it on the web in print before he was fired....
But in fairness to one of their own they wanted to get all the facts I'm sure...
@WineNot
I don’t know anything about the facts at this point. All I know about Lauer is that his haircut makes him look like a creep.
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Page 6 was investigating Lauer and went to NBC with substantial proof of him raping a female colleague at the Olympics. Page 6 says there is also more women coming forward.
NBC would not have fired him without significant proof.
The problem is that everyone knew about Lauer and they kept quiet because he was a good asset to the cause. The women were expected to "take one for the team".
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Page 6 was investigating Lauer and went to NBC with substantial proof of him raping a female colleague at the Olympics. Page 6 says there is also more women coming forward.
NBC would not have fired him without significant proof.
...when there's an opportunity to jettison a $25M per annual salary? ...with free helicopter transport to and from his 40 acre estate on the Hamptons?
Gimme a break! :laugh:
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Asking for a date and/or complementing a co-worker on an outfit or hair style in the workplace will now become sexual harassment and inappropriate behavior and grounds for dismissal.
I understand that statement - and I'm female. Human nature is ---- human nature. So far as I can see, the line is blurry, there are no clear rules and many females contribute to the blurring, just as much as the males. There was a time when the relationships, what was proper and what was not, were very clearly defined. Not so now.
I always worked in male dominated careers. I dealt with my fair share of inappropriate behavior. I learned to be crystal clear with fellow employees and superiors. I made it clear that I expected them to be gentlemen, treated them as gentlemen and that almost always worked perfectly. I noticed that men very often policed each other once the ground rules were established.
There were some MEMORABLE axxholes over the years. They didn't make me lose confidence in myself, they didn't cause me lasting pain, they didn't make me fear other men. They simply made me mad.
What really, really made me see red and caused me angst was the assumption that because I was 5'2", red-headed and female, I was incapable of performing certain jobs.
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Page 6 was investigating Lauer and went to NBC with substantial proof of him raping a female colleague at the Olympics. Page 6 says there is also more women coming forward.
NBC would not have fired him without significant proof.
I heard this morning that his show brought in profits of $280 million per year. No network would put over $1 billion (every 4 years) at risk unless they had some really damaging information.
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Matt Lauer put the fear of god into these women. He had relationships with reporters outside NBC that he cultivated just for this purpose. They knew that.
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Peggy Noonan. *****rollingeyes*****
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I understand that statement - and I'm female. Human nature is ---- human nature. So far as I can see, the line is blurry, there are no clear rules and many females contribute to the blurring, just as much as the males. There was a time when the relationships, what was proper and what was not, were very clearly defined. Not so now.
I always worked in male dominated careers. I dealt with my fair share of inappropriate behavior. I learned to be crystal clear with fellow employees and superiors. I made it clear that I expected them to be gentlemen, treated them as gentlemen and that almost always worked perfectly. I noticed that men very often policed each other once the ground rules were established.
There were some MEMORABLE axxholes over the years. They didn't make me lose confidence in myself, they didn't cause me lasting pain, they didn't make me fear other men. They simply made me mad.
What really, really made me see red and caused me angst was the assumption that because I was 5'2", red-headed and female, I was incapable of performing certain jobs.
A redhead with a temper? Unbelieveable.
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Peggy Noonan. *****rollingeyes*****
I do believe Ms Peggy is Mr. Heads Main squeeze
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Asking for a date and/or complementing a co-worker on an outfit or hair style in the workplace will now become sexual harassment and inappropriate behavior and grounds for dismissal.
My former boss, a gentlemanly retired Army officer, told me I looked like Kim Novak. I was flattered, not offended.
And then there's the fellow to whom I've been married for over 21 years. We met at work, he asked me out ... all that verboten stuff.
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May I politely suggest that the probably reason that these stories are all coming out now is not some dark conspiracy, but that women finally believe they will be taken seriously so are speaking up?
This is clearly a BIG problem that's been going on for decades with men in positions of power, and as far as I'm concerned, if it makes some of these letches think twice about their groping and making advances it is a GOOD thing.
Or would some of you prefer that the rampant abuse of power by men continue?? :shrug:
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My former boss, a gentlemanly retired Army officer, told me I looked like Kim Novak. I was flattered, not offended.
Better to compared to Kim than Bob.
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@WineNot
All I know about Lauer is that his haircut makes him look like a creep.
True. Then again, he doesn't really have much to work with.
(Oops -- was that harrassment? :pondering:)
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My former boss, a gentlemanly retired Army officer, told me I looked like Kim Novak. I was flattered, not offended.
And then there's the fellow to whom I've been married for over 21 years. We met at work, he asked me out ... all that verboten stuff.
The problem is that in many cases the harassment is real and the abuses overlooked.
This is not about compliments that crazy feminists complain about, or guys opening doors and getting smacked around by hulking lesbians.
Does anyone really think Matt Lauer just said nice things and is being persecuted?? C'mon!
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@WineNot All I know about Lauer is that his haircut makes him look like a creep.
May as well go all in with the look if you're actually a sex offender. I miss the days when Brokaw was the anchor, setting up an interview by Matt and practically choking while pronouncing Lauer.
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May I politely suggest that the probably reason that these stories are all coming out now is not some dark conspiracy, but that women finally believe they will be taken seriously so are speaking up?
This is clearly a BIG problem that's been going on for decades with men in positions of power, and as far as I'm concerned, if it makes some of these letches think twice about their groping and making advances it is a GOOD thing.
Or would some of you prefer that the rampant abuse of power by men continue?? :shrug:
:thumbsup:
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The problem is that in many cases the harassment is real and the abuses overlooked.
This is not about compliments that crazy feminists complain about, or guys opening doors and getting smacked around by hulking lesbians.
Does anyone really think Matt Lauer just said nice things and is being persecuted?? C'mon!
:thumbsup:
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A classic case of being hoisted on one's own petard.
They (the Marxists) are getting hoisted on their own petard in academia too. Seems the younger
commies think the older commies are racist and not radical enough.
The unintended consequence of all this is that women will find it harder to be hired in the
work space. Men will definitely think twice before hiring a female.
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A redhead with a temper? Unbelieveable.
LOL
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May I politely suggest that the probably reason that these stories are all coming out now is not some dark conspiracy, but that women finally believe they will be taken seriously so are speaking up?
This is clearly a BIG problem that's been going on for decades with men in positions of power, and as far as I'm concerned, if it makes some of these letches think twice about their groping and making advances it is a GOOD thing.
Or would some of you prefer that the rampant abuse of power by men continue?? :shrug:
Another great post from the "character matters" lady. Bravo, ML!
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I do believe Ms Peggy is Mr. Heads Main squeeze
She thinks she was Ronald Reagan's brain because she wrote speeches for him, so I'm sure Mr. Head thinks she's his brain too. Would explain a lot.
David Frum was that way about George W Bush, and we all saw how that turned out.
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@WineNot
I don’t know anything about the facts at this point. All I know about Lauer is that his haircut makes him look like a creep.
@CatherineofAragon @Polly Ticks
When he and that other network guy... Chuck something or another, started sporting that gay stubble cut I thought he switched teams and was pursuing young boys and farm animals. Not in any particular order mind you.
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I do believe Ms Peggy is Mr. Heads Main squeeze
What I dig is her heart and, yes, her Catholicism. For me, she represents a much better way of approaching one's duties as a conservative and as a Christian than the self-centered Evangelicals.
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The unintended consequence of all this is that women will find it harder to be hired in the
work space. Men will definitely think twice before hiring a female.
Opposite. You don't see many women getting caught in this trap, unless they swing the other way.
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Opposite. You don't see many women getting caught in this trap, unless they swing the other way.
Well that is because they went into education and partake in their dalliances with HS students..
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Or would some of you prefer that the rampant abuse of power by men continue?? :shrug:
I prefer the abuse continues. I'm a dude and I like to root for my team no matter what.
GO DUDES!!!
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Well that is because they went into education and partake in their dalliances with HS students..
Nailed it! 888high58888
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This particular zeitgeist is interesting in its speed into precedent policy of judge, jury and executioner upon anyone accused. I find that interesting when supposedly so many people in these cases were aware of these 'inappropriate behaviors' and kept silent about them for years and even decades.
Abusers getting their comeuppance is perfectly fine with me when actual substantiated evidence illustrates the facts. The network may have such evidence in Lauer's case and acted accordingly. It's a private corporation and they can do as they like with their employees.
I'm more concerned where this zeitgeist goes. The politics of personal destruction is entering a phase I am most wary of. There are also negative cultural effects that radiate out from such a center.
Fear of 'harassment charges' has already led to a massive decline in men bothering to seek relationships with women. Gaming and sex robots is seen as a preferable alternative to having a relationship with a woman according to various articles and studies that were publishes in the last few years. The divorce culture has stripped a lot of men from even considering marriage as they understand their lives and fortunes may end up in receivership to an ex-wife and children.
More concerning even than that, is that we seem to have entered a paradigm where no evidence is required outside of an allegation to act, and coupled with a lynch-mob mentality in the public square, becomes an effective weapon to purge a society of undesirables - and leads to things like the The Terror in France.
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Guthrie concluded: ‘This show has been on air for more than 65 years. … We’re supposed to bring you the news…and so we move along…â€
Yes and that’s what bothers me most. When it’s one of their own, they move along. Anyone else, it’s wall to wall, day after day....
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The unintended consequence of all this is that women will find it harder to be hired in the
work space. Men will definitely think twice before hiring a female.
I work with HR dept's every day. Women are taking over in nearly every industry and pushing men out. Women are doing all the hiring today, 60% of college grads are women and are earning nearly all the PHD's and masters degrees.
My industry was 99% men 30 years ago, all my field reps were men etc. Now it's all women. I am one of the dinosaurs but plan to retire in another year or so at age 56.
Men are going back to the skilled trades, jobs that women don't want to do or are unemployed or being a house husband..I'm slightly exaggerting but it's trending that way.
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The pic on Drudge accompanying the headline.....
:silly:
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I prefer the abuse continues. I'm a dude and I like to root for my team no matter what.
GO DUDES!!!
888high58888
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Opposite. You don't see many women getting caught in this trap, unless they swing the other way.
I think this is going to be the next shoe to drop...also some high profile gays like Ellen. Ellen has been very quiet over all these abuse stories.
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A redhead with a temper? Unbelieveable.
"Red on the head? Crazy in the bed but nuts in the head"
I dated a redhead for a while. I truly believe there is a genetic trait to redheads being like this.
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Kathie Lee Gifford wants ‘forgiveness and mercy’ for Matt Lauer
https://pagesix.com/2017/11/29/kathie-lee-gifford-wants-forgiveness-and-mercy-for-matt-lauer/?_ga=2.206835920.29578643.1511658704-1873516416.1511234477
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I prefer the abuse continues. I'm a dude and I like to root for my team no matter what.
GO DUDES!!!
Frank. You were always one to take one for the team. Sometimes, laying more track in a week than than most in years. Keep up the good work!
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True. Then again, he doesn't really have much to work with.
(Oops -- was that harrassment? :pondering:)
@Polly Ticks
Lol, it was just telling the truth.
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May as well go all in with the look if you're actually a sex offender. I miss the days when Brokaw was the anchor, setting up an interview by Matt and practically choking while pronouncing Lauer.
@edpc
Lol...he really does look like a prison inmate.
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Kathie Lee Gifford wants ‘forgiveness and mercy’ for Matt Lauer
That depends on whether this was an assault or consensual. Sounds like there's more to this than the expanded menu KLG's late husband was requesting with Suzen Johnson.
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@CatherineofAragon @Polly Ticks
When he and that other network guy... Chuck something or another, started sporting that gay stubble cut I thought he switched teams and was pursuing young boys and farm animals. Not in any particular order mind you.
@WineNot
Chuck Todd? He looks like a mom's basement dweller to me.
But hey now, I love me some stubble on men. That is NOT gay.
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@edpc
Lol...he really does look like a prison inmate.
More like a "daddy". Google it.
Whoops just read winenot "gay stubble cut"... yep.
@CatherineofAragon
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@WineNot
Chuck Todd? He looks like a mom's basement dweller to me.
But hey now, I love me some stubble on men. That is NOT gay.
Yes @CatherineofAragon but On the face! not on a balding reprobates soon to be chrome dome.
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@WineNot
Chuck Todd? He looks like a mom's basement dweller to me.
But hey now, I love me some stubble on men. That is NOT gay.
I think he meant the haircut. Lauer had hopes of looking Jason Statham, but ended up more Michael Stipe.
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That depends on whether this was an assault or consensual. Sounds like there's more to this than the expanded menu KLG's late husband was requesting with Suzen Johnson.
Being a frat adviser, I am going with "roofie".
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Page 6 was investigating Lauer and went to NBC with substantial proof of him raping a female colleague at the Olympics. Page 6 says there is also more women coming forward.
NBC would not have fired him without significant proof.
Wow. If this is true, it's not "inappropriate behavior" it's criminal assault. I wonder if he'll be criminally charged.
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Report: Lauer Sexually Assaulted Staffer At The Olympics
http://dailycaller.com/2017/11/29/report-lauer-sexually-assaulted-staffer-at-the-olympics/ (http://dailycaller.com/2017/11/29/report-lauer-sexually-assaulted-staffer-at-the-olympics/)
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Being a frat adviser, I am going with "roofie".
The ole Cosby approach to meeting and bedding women when you are old and in a hurry.
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Lauer used a roofie to render them unconscious
Keillor just talked to them.
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Report: Lauer Sexually Assaulted Staffer At The Olympics
http://dailycaller.com/2017/11/29/report-lauer-sexually-assaulted-staffer-at-the-olympics/ (http://dailycaller.com/2017/11/29/report-lauer-sexually-assaulted-staffer-at-the-olympics/)
I think, at the very least, it's time for clear definitions on "inappropriate", "harassment" and "assault".
I think special courses should be mandatory for those in our media reporting on these stories.
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Lauer used a roofie to render them unconscious
Keillor just talked to them.
As another member of this forum is fond of saying,
"Top Notch"
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I think, at the very least, it's time for clear definitions on "harassment" v "assault".
That would confuse the current narrative of all touching is rape.
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Report: Lauer Sexually Assaulted Staffer At The Olympics
These games were in Sochi, so you know the places were wired. Somewhere, there's an accurate Russian dossier on Lauer and others.
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Yashar Ali
🐘â€Verified account @yashar
I, and other reporters , have been aware of several women who have come forward privately in the past few months ...even before Weinstein. They weren’t willing to go public though...they were terrified of Matt.
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The ole Cosby approach to meeting and bedding women when you are old and in a hurry.
And halfway a necrophile.
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And to think the Libs mocked Mike Pence for his policy when it comes to being in a room with women other than his wife.
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These games were in Sochi...
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I think it is inappropriate to name Matt's victim. Watch it.
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‘The Worst I’ve Heard About’ — Full Allegations Against Matt Lauer Might Be Worse Than Weinstein
Posted on November 29, 2017 by admin
After NBC fired “Today†anchor Matt Lauer for alleged sexual misconduct, some reporters are saying there is much more to the story.
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/935848078506160128
Yashar Ali declined to share more details about the allegations but tweeted on Wednesday that Lauer is “one of the worst he has seen.â€
Ali claimed that multiple women have come forward privately about Lauer, but were “terrified†of doing so publicly because of the power Lauer had in media.
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/935848865013620736
https://twitter.com/yashar/status/935869906410762241
More at True Pundit (https://truepundit.com/the-worst-ive-heard-about-full-allegations-against-matt-lauer-might-be-worse-than-weinstein/)
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I think it is inappropriate to name Matt's victim. Watch it.
Just trying to be fair, after all the things done over the years in Ernest.
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Just trying to be fair, after all the things done over the years in Ernest.
LOL. As another poster said on this thread. Top notch.
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More like a "daddy". Google it.
Whoops just read winenot "gay stubble cut"... yep.
@CatherineofAragon
@mirraflake
I know what it means. That reminds me of Milo.
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Yes @CatherineofAragon but On the face! not on a balding reprobates soon to be chrome dome.
@WineNot
Okay, I can run with that description, lol.
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I think he meant the haircut. Lauer had hopes of looking Jason Statham, but ended up more Michael Stipe.
@edpc
And that's not a look ANYONE wants.
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As the co-host of NBC’s “Today,†Matt Lauer once gave a colleague a sex toy as a present. It included an explicit note about how he wanted to use it on her, which left her mortified.
http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/matt-lauer-accused-sexual-harassment-multiple-women-1202625959/ (http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/matt-lauer-accused-sexual-harassment-multiple-women-1202625959/)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-pf1FmS1xeY (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-pf1FmS1xeY)
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The ole Cosby approach to meeting and bedding women when you are old and in a hurry.
@WineNot
Honest to God, I glanced at that and thought it said “when you are old and a furry.â€
I’m hitting the road, but anyone so inclined should have a look at Comfortably Smug on Twitter and some of these allegations.
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@WineNot
Honest to God, I glanced at that and thought it said “when you are old and a furry.â€
I’m hitting the road, but anyone so inclined should have a look at Comfortably Smug on Twitter and some of these allegations.
You seem fixated on the Hairy stuff today. Stubble stubble toil and trouble!
That reminds me...time for a Brazilian.
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You seem fixated on the Hairy stuff today. Stubble stubble toil and trouble!
That reminds me...time for a Brazilian.
A Brazilian wha.....no, nevermind, please don't answer.
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You seem fixated on the Hairy stuff today. Stubble stubble toil and trouble!
That reminds me...time for a Brazilian.
Some people like to be smooth like a Ken doll.
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Is it me or are liberals self-immolating get lately?
Liberals want gun control, but have shown themselves to be responsible for nearly all the recent gun violence (Las Vegas, Rep. Scalise, etc).
Liberals want bigger government to aid the poor, but studies indicate that conservatives have a much higher rate of charitable giving.
Liberals want carbon emissions controlled to fight "global warming", but Al Gore is one of the greatest emitters of carbon dioxide in the country
See a pattern?
Hypocrisy - of course.
I'll go further. The entire "war on women" attack was a symptom that they simply don't trust themselves.
I think liberals routinely sexually abuse women and want some form of government to stop themselves.
The recent allegations are mostly women who have been encouraged to come forward by other women.
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While on the subject of hair. How I like my women.
(https://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/2/3/8/0/0/a2989955-135-Hairy-Bush--28561.jpg?d=1263440442)
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While on the subject of hair. How I like my women.
(https://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/2/3/8/0/0/a2989955-135-Hairy-Bush--28561.jpg?d=1263440442)
Mirraflake, that's not a woman.
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While on the subject of hair. How I like my women.
That reminds me.
This is a whack job on a whack job because of a...
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Mirraflake, that's not a woman.
Close enough. A hairy Bu...
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20 years of service, a one day investigation and he's out? I wonder when this happened and what video/texting evidence there is. :pondering:
According to Rush Limbaugh, NBC knew about this as early as thee 2014 Sochi Olympics. NBC sat on this for three years.
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According to Rush Limbaugh, NBC knew about this as early as thee 2014 Sochi Olympics. NBC sat on this for three years.
They sat on Lauer's lapse for three years?
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They sat on Lauer's lapse for three years?
Bad one... :silly:
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Mirraflake, that's not a woman.
That one sailed right over her head.
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That one sailed right over her head.
:shrug:
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Some people like to be smooth like a Ken doll.
Umm, my ken doll was an eunuch - actually he was bobbittitzed.
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Umm, my ken doll was an eunuch - actually he was bobbittitzed.
And that is the entire point of this exercise.
Everyone in lock step with androgynous gender equality.
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While on the subject of hair. How I like my women.
(https://static.rcgroups.net/forums/attachments/2/3/8/0/0/a2989955-135-Hairy-Bush--28561.jpg?d=1263440442)
A Wall of Sound?
Not me.
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:shrug:
Haiiiiiiiirrrrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyyyy Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
In my best Rev Jim voice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HvmtbZzA40 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HvmtbZzA40)
@Sanguine
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Matt Lauer Exposed Himself, Gave Sex Toys as Gifts ... NBC Accusers Claim
http://www.tmz.com/2017/11/29/matt-lauer-sexual-misconduct-nbc-sex-toys/ (http://www.tmz.com/2017/11/29/matt-lauer-sexual-misconduct-nbc-sex-toys/)
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Some people like to be smooth like a Ken doll.
Like good ol' Gary Condit......
[Anne Marie] Smith said that during her 10-month affair with the California Democrat, she kept a diary noting details such as Condit’s odd penchant for shaving off all of his body hair.
https://nypost.com/2001/08/29/condits-flygal-pal-his-interview-sickened-me/
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A Wall of Sound?
Not me.
More like a wall of shrub.
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I would like to go on record as being no where around nor involved in any way with this thread being hijacked by hairy Bush.
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I would like to go on record as being no where around nor involved in any way with this thread being hijacked by hairy Bush.
Brazilian Ken Dolls go a long way to making sure hairy bushes of love remain former and past-tense.
Because... absurdity and all.
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RySHDUU2juM#)
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Matt Lauer Exposed Himself, Gave Sex Toys as Gifts ... NBC Accusers Claim
http://www.tmz.com/2017/11/29/matt-lauer-sexual-misconduct-nbc-sex-toys/ (http://www.tmz.com/2017/11/29/matt-lauer-sexual-misconduct-nbc-sex-toys/)
Does everyone else find this "self-exposure" craze as disgusting as I do??
The whole world has gone loony tunes! 9999hair out0000
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Does everyone else find this "self-exposure" craze as disgusting as I do??
The whole world has gone loony tunes! 9999hair out0000
Yeah, but who doesn't appreciate a good quality, I assume he shelled out the dough for good ones since he's rich, sex toy as a gift? You can certainly get more use out of it than some crappy fruit cake or canned ham and it can help you burn the extra calories that tempt us at during Christmas.
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Does everyone else find this "self-exposure" craze as disgusting as I do??
The whole world has gone loony tunes! 9999hair out0000
Only when Men do it.
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Does everyone else find this "self-exposure" craze as disgusting as I do??
Personally I enjoy it. Far more interesting than talking about Roy Moore.
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Personally I enjoy it. Far more interesting than talking about Roy Moore.
Then why are you mentioning him?
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Personally I enjoy it. Far more interesting than talking about Roy Moore.
Hey, you know what @Frank Cannon, I bet Myst wouldn't permanently ban you if you posted that kind of picture here. What do you think?
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Does everyone else find this "self-exposure" craze as disgusting as I do??
The whole world has gone loony tunes! 9999hair out0000
Two gay guys were travelling the world mooning at famous spots. They called themselves the "Travelling Butts" Well the Thai police did not like them mooning Buddha so they are now fined and could face 5 years in a Thai prison.
@musiclady
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Or would some of you prefer that the rampant abuse of power by men continue?? :shrug:
@musiclady
It WILL continue. Power spawns rampant abuse. It is almost literally what it's for.
And women are often complicit - many an office or casting couch has assisted women in their rise to power or security - You aren't going to change that behavior from either direction.
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Yeah, but who doesn't appreciate a good quality, I assume he shelled out the dough for good ones since he's rich, sex toy as a gift? You can certainly get more use out of it than some crappy fruit cake or canned ham and it can help you burn the extra calories that tempt us at during Christmas.
A not so silent holey night?
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Hey, you know what @Frank Cannon, I bet Myst wouldn't permanently ban you if you posted that kind of picture here. What do you think?
Sure thing. Let me just run out and find some film for the Polaroid.
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A not so silent holey night?
Throw in some Jingle Balls and Dick the Halls and just about everyone is having a happy holiday. "Happy Holiday", am I allowed to say that?
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... and could face 5 years in a Thai prison.
Thai prison?
(http://ysfine.com/newyork/tie33.jpg)
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@musiclady
It WILL continue. Power spawns rampant abuse. It is almost literally what it's for.
And women are often complicit - many an office or casting couch has assisted women in their rise to power or security - You aren't going to change that behavior from either direction.
Nonetheless, the more women there are who finally speak up about abuse that's been going on for a long time, the more these perverts will be punished.
It's not going to stop the problem, for sure, but it's going to help if women, after they've said "NO!" report those who've molested them, exposed themselves, or whatever other deviant behavior they've committed.
It's clear that in show business and in politics, women have been silent for decades. (The left's vile support of Clinton exacerbated that problem BIG time).
I, for one, am glad some of these perps are being exposed. (No pun intended).
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Sure thing. Let me just run out and find some film for the Polaroid.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-0Ts2FxmuxRY/VwX615IxkrI/AAAAAAAAB-4/S4xl2sA9R50WeQ-Gla1Ru8cWRKji1MnRQ/s1600/Shake-it-Like-a-Polaroid1.jpg)
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What is going on around here?
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Two new complaints about Matt Lauer emerge after NBC fires 'Today' host
http://thehill.com/homenews/media/362449-two-new-complaints-about-matt-lauer-emerge-after-nbc-fires-today-host (http://thehill.com/homenews/media/362449-two-new-complaints-about-matt-lauer-emerge-after-nbc-fires-today-host)
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Throw in some Jingle Balls and Dick the Halls and just about everyone is having a happy holiday. "Happy Holiday", am I allowed to say that?
Negative. You'll have to go with this instead......
(https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/0LSGigwlxJNTm9vWCIpnVg--~B/YXBwaWQ9eWlzZWFyY2g7Zmk9Zml0O2dlPTAwNjYwMDtncz0wMEEzMDA7aD00MDA7dz00MDA-/http://i3.cpcache.com/product/726106865/seasons_beatings_holiday_cards.jpg?height=460&width=460&qv=90.cf.jpg)
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...sex toy as a gift? You can certainly get more use out of it than some crappy fruit cake or canned ham and it can help you burn the extra calories that tempt us at during Christmas.
Now THAT is seeing the silver lining and not looking a gift horse in the mouth.
You are free to have fun in pun-land with that.
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Negative. You'll have to go with this instead......
(https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/0LSGigwlxJNTm9vWCIpnVg--~B/YXBwaWQ9eWlzZWFyY2g7Zmk9Zml0O2dlPTAwNjYwMDtncz0wMEEzMDA7aD00MDA7dz00MDA-/http://i3.cpcache.com/product/726106865/seasons_beatings_holiday_cards.jpg?height=460&width=460&qv=90.cf.jpg)
Good night! Is that @Frank Cannon's Christmas card from last year?
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Now THAT is seeing the silver lining and not looking a gift horse in the mouth.
You are free to have fun in pun-land with that.
Not sure we should be combining discussions about horses and sex toys.
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Good night! Is that @Frank Cannon's Christmas card from last year?
It is. Now I feel bad you found out I didn't send you one.
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Throw in some Jingle Balls and Dick the Halls and just about everyone is having a happy holiday. "Happy Holiday", am I allowed to say that?
Yes. However you are forbidden to sing the words 'don we now our gay apparel' in the song Dick the Halls because you know.... stereotypes.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RCpqKTVDu1U/UMETwSV9KdI/AAAAAAAAAro/MIhXgRoOeIc/s1600/UglyChristmasSweater.jpg)
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Not sure we should be combining discussions about horses and sex toys.
What? You never been to Juarez Mexico?
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What is going on around here?
Nothing! And I certainly was not involved in the initial jack of this thread with hairy Bush.
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It is. Now I feel bad you found out I didn't send you one.
That's ok. You can make up for it by sending me an invite to the party this year. It seems the Post Office misplaced mine from last year.
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What? You never been to Juarez Mexico?
No way! I've never been south of the border.
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Yes. However you are forbidden to sing the words 'don we now our gay apparel' in the song Dick the Halls because you know.... stereotypes.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-RCpqKTVDu1U/UMETwSV9KdI/AAAAAAAAAro/MIhXgRoOeIc/s1600/UglyChristmasSweater.jpg)
That is an awesome shirt! Finally figured out what hubby is getting for Christmas! Yes!
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That's ok. You can make up for it by sending me an invite to the party this year. It seems the Post Office misplaced mine from last year.
I'll send you one. We are still short someone to serve hor dourves.
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No way! I've never been south of the border.
Must.....resist.....obvious.....joke.....
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I'll send you one. We are still short someone to serve hor dourves.
Wow, you have whore dwarves there too? Yes, I def want an invite.
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No way! I've never been south of the border.
I'm no marriage counselor, but if I stay in a Holiday Inn Express - I can venture the unprofessional opinion that such is probably the result of most men divorcing their wives and vice-versa.
Which would explain the need for sex toys.
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Nothing! And I certainly was not involved in the initial jack of this thread with hairy Bush.
I'd say this silliness must be stopped at once, but I'm too busy guffawing. What's a guy to do?
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3/4 of the innuendo we are all laughing about here as normal folks would get us shown the door or lawsuit at the workplace.
Many of these guys deserve jail time(Weinstein) or a good firing but how much was exactly what is going on this thread?
I think 7 men were shown the door today.
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3/4 of the innuendo we are all laughing about here as normal folks would get us shown the door or lawsuit at the workplace.
Many of these guys deserve jail time(Weinstein) or a good firing but how much was exactly what is going on this thread?
I think 7 men were shown the door today.
Well, since I am the woman participating, and we all know it's only the woman's opinion that matters, and I am having a grand time setting the men up with some silly jokes and not feeling the least bit abused, I'm going to rule that what is going on on this thread is not the same thing as what Lauer or any of the rest of them were busted for.
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3/4 of the innuendo we are all laughing about here as normal folks would get us shown the door or lawsuit at the workplace.
This is why we do it here.
Because if Frank Cannon can show us the way..... we all can follow in his footsteps... or watch the informative VHS tape he made in the name of science in the mid-80s.
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Then why are you mentioning him?
@Sanguine
Because Frank is a control freak. Now if you’ll excuse me, I saw the way he spelled hors d’oeuvres. I want to go back to his post and laugh.
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@Sanguine
Because Frank is a control freak. Now if you’ll excuse me, I saw the way he spelled hors d’oeuvres. I want to go back to his post and laugh.
I knew if I mentioned his name you would smell it and show up. Posting the name Roy Moore has the same effect as saying Bloody Mary in the mirror 3 times.
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@Sanguine
Because Frank is a control freak. Now if you’ll excuse me, I saw the way he spelled hors d’oeuvres. I want to go back to his post and laugh.
What? youse never heard of Hor’s de Overs?
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What? youse never heard of Hor’s de Overs?
All y'all munchin on horse ovaries at your fancy-dress balls, and yet grossed out by Rocky Mountain Oysters :shrug: :whistle:
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I'm going to rule that what is going on on this thread is not the same thing as what Lauer or any of the rest of them were busted for.
Go back and read the second line of my comment. Are women going overboard today? I believe so.
@RoosGirl
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All y'all munchin on horse ovaries at your fancy-dress balls, and yet grossed out by Rocky Mountain Oysters :shrug: :whistle:
Ewwwww...............
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How hasn't this scandal gotten around to Jerry Rivers, yet? Dude has creep written all over him.
(https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/ZHszW6OU0.dSOWuwNmbeAw--~B/YXBwaWQ9eWlzZWFyY2g7Zmk9Zml0O2dlPTAwNjYwMDtncz0wMEEzMDA7aD00MDA7dz03MTE-/http://a57.foxnews.com/media2.foxnews.com/2016/05/05/0/0/050516_on_ot_1280.jpg?ve=1.cf.jpg)
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All y'all munchin on horse ovaries at your fancy-dress balls, and yet grossed out by Rocky Mountain Oysters :shrug: :whistle:
I’m having a horde overs or maybe some of them horse doovers.
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Matt Lauer is putting his attention on his family after he was terminated from NBC over allegations of “inappropriate sexual behavior in the workplaceâ€
https://www.yahoo.com/news/matt-lauer-focused-family-being-192223774.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/matt-lauer-focused-family-being-192223774.html)
That doesn't sound too good for them, based on the kind of attention he allegedly offers. Let's hope he has returned the proper gifts, as well.
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I’m having a horde overs or maybe some of them horse doovers.
Ahh Horse do-overs... Is that kinda like twice baked potatoes?
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Ewwwww...............
SEE? :shrug:
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Matt Lauer is putting his attention on his family after he was terminated from NBC over allegations of “inappropriate sexual behavior in the workplaceâ€
That doesn't sound too good for them, based on the kind of attention he allegedly offers. Let's hope he has returned the proper gifts, as well.
His wife served him divorce papers in 2006 but they got back together. Methinks this time she will walk.
@edpc
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per Fox...Matt had a button on his desk to lock his office door after someone entered...they couldn't get out!
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I knew if I mentioned his name you would smell it and show up. Posting the name Roy Moore has the same effect as saying Bloody Mary in the mirror 3 times.
@Frank Cannon
See? Total freak!
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What? youse never heard of Hor’s de Overs?
@WineNot
It's only the finest for me. Vienna sausages on a Ritz.
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Vienna sausages on a Ritz.
That's actually @WineNot nickname.
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per Fox...Matt had a button on his desk to lock his office door after someone entered...they couldn't get out!
No one could barge in, either.
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Go back and read the second line of my comment. Are women going overboard today? I believe so.
@RoosGirl
So.... you're arguing about the Not Guilty verdict? I don't think the other men here are going to be too happy with you.
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per Fox...Matt had a button on his desk to lock his office door after someone entered...they couldn't get out!
meh. I had a similar button at the front of the board-room table. It was to engage privacy and prevent interruption, but it was never used for the purpose alluded to. And it does not prevent exit without being a direct violation of fire code - So I highly doubt Building Maintenance would allow such a thing. Likely hyperbolic breathlessness...
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per Fox...Matt had a button on his desk to lock his office door after someone entered...they couldn't get out!
(https://i.imgur.com/nQ2WWt9.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6KLYfEi.jpg)
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You seem fixated on the Hairy stuff today. Stubble stubble toil and trouble!
That reminds me...time for a Brazilian.
@WineNot
Wait, you...you're male, right?
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per Fox...Matt had a button on his desk to lock his office door after someone entered...they couldn't get out!
I think there must be a class that would-be rapists and pervs take that instruct them how to lock doors and thus prevent any escapee of victims from offices or BBQ parking lots.
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@WineNot
Wait, you...you're male, right?
100% intact male of the species. My wife is from Brazil.
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So.... you're arguing about the Not Guilty verdict? I don't think the other men here are going to be too happy with you.
What I mean is how many of the charges we keep hearing about are for the same bantering we are doing right here? The "oh he made me feel uncomfortable" line. What the heck does that mean? Did he say she had a nice body or did he keep the office too cold? (and yes feminist are saying that is harassment of women-men keeping the office to cold)
Enough of this he abused me. How did he abuse you give us exact specifics.
Yes I think Weinstein/Lauer/Spacey types should fry but there are many more against men who have been fired with little or no specifics.
Amd regarding the Not Guilty verdict when it pertains to older women younger boys 16-18 ason FR. Any 16-18 year old boy who claims he was harmed by a super hot female teacher is gay, confused or just needs mental counseling.
@RoosGirl
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Yeah, but who doesn't appreciate a good quality, I assume he shelled out the dough for good ones since he's rich, sex toy as a gift? You can certainly get more use out of it than some crappy fruit cake or canned ham and it can help you burn the extra calories that tempt us at during Christmas.
You can certainly get more use out of it than some crappy fruit cake or canned ham...
I don't think you could wear out a Christmas fruit cake, but they are inflexible. And the other one is so impersonal. Who wants to feel like they've just been porked?
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@WineNot
Wait, you...you're male, right?
Maybe someone needs to rip him a new ...hole.
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What I mean is how many of the charges we keep hearing about are for the same bantering we are doing right here? The "oh he made me feel uncomfortable" line. What the heck does that mean? Did he say she had a nice body or did he keep the office too cold? (and yes feminist are saying that is harassment of women-men keeping the office to cold)
Enough of this he abused me. How did he abuse you give us exact specifics.
Yes I think Weinstein/Lauer/Spacey types should fry but there are many more against men who have been fired with little or no specifics.
Amd regarding the Not Guilty verdict when it pertains to older women younger boys 16-18 ason FR. Any 16-18 year old boy who claims he was harmed by a super hot female teacher is gay, confused or just needs mental counseling.
@RoosGirl
I have no idea what you're trying to get at, so here's a great song that goes out to all my fans.
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M4_Ommfvv0#)
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You can certainly get more use out of it than some crappy fruit cake or canned ham...
I don't think you could wear out a Christmas fruit cake, but they are inflexible. And the other one is so impersonal. Who wants to feel like they've just been porked?
I don't want to put words in your mouth, but it seems to me that you're accusing me of being able to wear out a sex toy.
You ever seen those news articles about people who have brain parasites from eating pork in Mexico? I told you, I haven't been south of the border and I certainly don't get porked south of the border.
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I don't want to put words in your mouth, but it seems to me that you're accusing me of being able to wear out a sex toy.
You ever seen those news articles about people who have brain parasites from eating pork in Mexico? I told you, I haven't been south of the border and I certainly don't get porked south of the border.
I am jealous to know you can't wear one out. I wish I had that kind of stamina. I think if you go south you better know how to swim.
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I have no idea what you're trying to get at, so here's a great song that goes out to all my fans.
*SIGH* That just makes me sad.... **nononono*
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOgd9hitEAE#)
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100% intact male of the species. My wife is from Brazil.
@WineNot
Well that makes sense, then.
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Maybe someone needs to rip him a new ...hole.
@bigheadfred
Seems the Brazilian he was having was his wife.
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Problematic AFâ„¢
☠†@EF517_V2
34m34 minutes ago
Google Natalie Morales and Matt Lauer. She moved to the west coast to get away from Matt Lauer
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Paul Farhiâ€Verified account @farhip
4h4 hours ago
And in still more harassment news: @cnn tells me it dismissed Teddy Davis, senior producer of @jaketapper's "State of the Union" program, over behavior "that does not align with the standards and values of CNN." Three women had complained about Davis.
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3h3 hours ago
Jake Tapper Retweeted Paul Farhi
This tweet is accurate. When CNN executives were told about these complaints, they reacted swiftly and appropriately, as they should. Workplaces need to be safe and I am fully supportive of CNN's action.
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Former MSNBC host Keith Olbermann tweeted: “Matt Lauer was remorsely vindictive and tyrannical to everyone at NBC News and management repeatedly enabled him and buried the issue.â€
https://pagesix.com/2017/11/29/matt-lauer-accused-of-sexting-nbc-intern-and-staffers/
When NBC has lost Olbermann, they're really screwed.
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I bet Jeff Zucker pimped for Lauer when he was head of NBC.
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I bet Jeff Zucker pimped for Lauer when he was head of NBC.
My unnamed sources are telling me that Zucker was one of Matt's rape victims.
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I haven't been south of the border and I certainly don't get porked south of the border.
I never pictured you living in a convent.
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I never pictured you living in a convent.
She lives in a convent.......of a Satanic cult.
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I never pictured you living in a convent.
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That was a good season of American Horror Story.
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per Fox...Matt had a button on his desk to lock his office door after someone entered...they couldn't get out!
I do wish you would stop trying to hijack this thread with material that is clearly off topic.
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I do wish you would stop trying to hijack this thread with material that is clearly off topic.
@InHeavenThereIsNoBeer
Lol
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How hasn't this scandal gotten around to Jerry Rivers, yet? Dude has creep written all over him.
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That seems to be a developing story...
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That seems to be a developing story...
@DB
I’m willing to bet there’s plenty in that sleaze’s background. He said on Twitter that Lauer is a great guy and the news is a “flirty†business.
Wonder how many women he’s gifted with sex toys in an effort to be flirty.
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I bet Jeff Zucker pimped for Lauer when he was head of NBC.
I wonder how many of them - Lauer, Zucker, Rivera, et al. - were guests on Epstein's "Lolita Express" with Bill Clinton.
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I never pictured you living in a convent.
I thought you said "Coven"
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I wonder how many of them - Lauer, Zucker, Rivera, et al. - were guests on Epstein's "Lolita Express" with Bill Clinton.
It all makes sense now. During the Lewinsky scandal it wasn’t just Bill Clinton’s politics that media elites approved of and protected, it was Clinton’s femme score they were most impressed by and publicly covered for.
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Lauer apologizes: 'There are no words to express my sorrow and regret'
http://thehill.com/homenews/media/362502-matt-lauer-apologizes-after-sexual-misconduct-allegations (http://thehill.com/homenews/media/362502-matt-lauer-apologizes-after-sexual-misconduct-allegations)
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At Least Two More NBC Staffers File Harassment Complaints After Matt Lauer’s Termination
https://www.thecut.com/2017/11/matt-lauer-nbc-sexual-harassment-complaints.html (https://www.thecut.com/2017/11/matt-lauer-nbc-sexual-harassment-complaints.html)
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Then-married former NBC employee claims Lauer sexually assaulted her until she passed out in office: report
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/11/30/then-married-former-nbc-employee-claims-lauer-sexually-assaulted-her-until-passed-out-in-office-report.html (http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/11/30/then-married-former-nbc-employee-claims-lauer-sexually-assaulted-her-until-passed-out-in-office-report.html)
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Then-married former NBC employee claims Lauer sexually assaulted her until she passed out in office: report
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/11/30/then-married-former-nbc-employee-claims-lauer-sexually-assaulted-her-until-passed-out-in-office-report.html (http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2017/11/30/then-married-former-nbc-employee-claims-lauer-sexually-assaulted-her-until-passed-out-in-office-report.html)
From the article:
"According to the report, Lauer was behind his desk and she took a seat in the office. She said he locked the door from a button at his desk and he asked her to unbutton her blouse. She said she complied and claims he got up from his desk, approached her from behind, bent her over his desk and had sex."
This does not sound non-consensual to me.
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Lauer's statement
“There are no words to express my sorrow and regret for the pain I have caused others by words and actions. To the people I have hurt, I am truly sorry. As I am writing this I realize the depth of the damage and disappointment I have left behind at home and at NBC. Some of what is being said about me is untrue or mischaracterized, but there is enough truth in these stories to make me feel embarrassed and ashamed. I regret that my shame is now shared by the people I cherish dearly,†Lauer said in a statement that was released by a personal publicist and formed the bulk of the top story on “Today†Thursday morning. “Repairing the damage will take a lot of time and soul searching and I’m committed to beginning that effort. It is now my full time job. The last two days have forced me to take a very hard look at my own troubling flaws. It’s been humbling. I am blessed to be surrounded by the people I love. I thank them for their patience and grace.â€
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Lauer's statement
For a leftist like Lauer, I'm sure he thinks that a tearful apology will make it all better.
It won't.
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From the article:
"According to the report, Lauer was behind his desk and she took a seat in the office. She said he locked the door from a button at his desk and he asked her to unbutton her blouse. She said she complied and claims he got up from his desk, approached her from behind, bent her over his desk and had sex."
This does not sound non-consensual to me.
Agreed. She may have felt pressure to go along (which would give her an actionable claim for sexual harassment), but she made a choice here to consent, which is a problem I'm having with some of these complaints.
So many women are saying "I felt like I had no choice - I was afraid for my job, so I had sex with him." I absolutely agree you should never be in a position to feel you have to have sex to keep your job, but if you are in that position and choose to have sex, you're still consenting to the sex. Doesn't mean you don't have a hostile work environment claim under sexual harassment laws, but you DID have a choice here.
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Agreed. She may have felt pressure to go along, but she made a choice here to consent, which is a problem I'm having with some of these complaints. So many women are saying "I felt like I had no choice - I was afraid for my job, so I had sex with him." I absolutely agree you should never be in a position to feel you have to have sex to keep your job, but if you are in that position and choose to have sex, you're still consenting to the sex. Doesn't mean you don't have a hostile work environment claim under sexual harassment laws, but you DID have a choice about the sex.
And, that's probably why so few of them said anything at the time. They were ashamed. But, I think the truth should come out, and at this point, it's about Lauer more so than his "stable".
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Agreed. She may have felt pressure to go along (which would give her an actionable claim for sexual harassment), but she made a choice here to consent, which is a problem I'm having with some of these complaints.
So many women are saying "I felt like I had no choice - I was afraid for my job, so I had sex with him." I absolutely agree you should never be in a position to feel you have to have sex to keep your job, but if you are in that position and choose to have sex, you're still consenting to the sex. Doesn't mean you don't have a hostile work environment claim under sexual harassment laws, but you DID have a choice here.
@cammie
Consenting under threat is not consent. its rape
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@Sanguine -
I agree with that.
As a woman, I just don't like the idea that women are saying they had no choice, because there's a difference between having to decide between two rotten choices and forcible rape.
I fully acknowledge that we shouldn't be in a position to have to decide between those two crappy choices.
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@cammie
Consenting under threat is not consent. its rape
Legally, "threat" is not just a general thought of "I may lose my job." There is a legal threshold that coercion, whether verbal or physical, must meet in order to support a rape claim.
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From the article:This does not sound non-consensual to me.
Also sounds like she could be an ocelot owning railroad heiress named Cheryl.
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It all makes sense now. During the Lewinsky scandal it wasn’t just Bill Clinton’s politics that media elites approved of and protected, it was Clinton’s femme score they were most impressed by and publicly covered for.
That, on top of Clinton's support for abortion that bought him protection from feminists, is why Bill Clinton went unscathed over his mounting accusations.
No man prior or since has gotten away with the accusations that Clinton had against him
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@cammie
Consenting under threat is not consent. its rape
I can only go by what is in that article, and there's no indication that a threat of any kind was made.
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I can only go by what is in that article, and there's no indication that a threat of any kind was made.
Same here.
A man can't read a woman's mind
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Same here.
A man can't read a woman's mind
No kidding? Huh, I'm going to have to re-evaluate how I communicate with my husband.
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Same here.
A man can't read a woman's mind
@LMAO
I'm the last person that would claim that ability. Its not that hard really. If he says "have sex with me if you want to keep your job' thats a threat.
If he's locked her in and refuses to let her out thats a crime.
If he just says he wants to have sex with her then its probably not rape but it would fall under sexual harassment laws.
I'm really kinda surprised to see people defending Matt Lauer. Makes me wonder if I'm at the correct site.
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It all makes sense now. During the Lewinsky scandal it wasn’t just Bill Clinton’s politics that media elites approved of and protected, it was Clinton’s femme score they were most impressed by and publicly covered for.
And in doing so, they are sending a message to their own victims that they are better off keeping their mouths shut since coming forward will not only go nowhere but cause them more grief.
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@LMAO
I'm the last person that would claim that ability. Its not that hard really. If he says "have sex with me if you want to keep your job' thats a threat.
If he's locked her in and refuses to let her out thats a crime.
If he just says he wants to have sex with her then its probably not rape but it would fall under sexual harassment laws.
I'm really kinda surprised to see people defending Matt Lauer. Makes me wonder if I'm at the correct site.
@driftdiver Who here has defended him?
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@driftdiver Who here has defended him?
Indirectly, it has happened. What has been said about coerced ("consensual") sex is important.
That's where the "power" thing comes in. That's why Clinton was guilty with Lewinsky.
She said "yes," but he was still a predator, abusing his power.
That distinction needs to remain clear.
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@driftdiver Who here has defended him?
@RoosGirl
You have, you are arguing that what he's done was consensual. The guy is a scum bag who has dont so much damage to America by abusing his media power. We should celebrate his removal.
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Indirectly, it has happened. What has been said about coerced ("consensual") sex is important.
That's where the "power" thing comes in. That's why Clinton was guilty with Lewinsky.
She said "yes," but he was still a predator, abusing his power.
That distinction needs to remain clear.
Before we canonize Monica, let's not forget she initiated things with Clinton by showing her thong. That's from her testimony in the Starr report. She had also had an affair with her married drama instructor from high school. The girl's not some naive victim. She liked to play stupid games and won stupid prizes.
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Indirectly, it has happened. What has been said about coerced ("consensual") sex is important.
That's where the "power" thing comes in. That's why Clinton was guilty with Lewinsky.
She said "yes," but he was still a predator, abusing his power.
That distinction needs to remain clear.
Oh, nonsense. You are assuming things that are not told you in the story. You *might* be right, but you could just as easily be wrong.
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@RoosGirl
You have, you are arguing that what he's done was consensual. The guy is a scum bag who has dont so much damage to America by abusing his media power. We should celebrate his removal.
Again nonsense. I'm saying that the way the article reads it sounds consensual. Clearly there were other things going on. I am commenting on just this one article.
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Again nonsense. I'm saying that the way the article reads it sounds consensual. Clearly there were other things going on. I am commenting on just this one article.
How dare you bring facts into this thread. Emotions and anger are the only things allowed.
Sorry, but I just had to report you to the Mods for not following the rules here.
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How dare you bring facts into this thread. Emotions and anger are the only things allowed.
Sorry, but I just had to report you to the Mods for not following the rules here.
Since I don't have any emotions that's going to be hard for me.
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Again nonsense. I'm saying that the way the article reads it sounds consensual. Clearly there were other things going on. I am commenting on just this one article.
@RoosGirl
Under current law a manager cannot have consensual sex with a subordinate (legally). Of course it happens a lot but his position makes it coercive.
Regardless a powerful lefty is out, celebrate.
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Since I don't have any emotions that's going to be hard for me.
Just got word back from the Mods on your infractions. You are to do three things to keep from getting banned.
1) Sit the eff down.
2) Shut the eff up.
3) Use this as your avatar:
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Just got word back from the Mods on your infractions. You are to do three things to keep from getting banned.
1) Sit the eff down.
2) Shut the eff up.
3) Use this as your avatar:
You're both women, of course you're evil.
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@RoosGirl
Under current law a manager cannot have consensual sex with a subordinate (legally). Of course it happens a lot but his position makes it coercive.
Regardless a powerful lefty is out, celebrate.
Please quote the lines in the article where it says this woman was a subordinate.
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Please quote the lines in the article where it says this woman was a subordinate.
@RoosGirl
Really thats the hill you're gonna stake your flag on?
Considering who he was and his power at that network nearly everyone could be considered a subordinate. The exception being some of the other stars and the President of NBC. He was one of the most powerful men in that organization. All he had to say is "get rid of her" and she would be gone.
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@RoosGirl
Really thats the hill you're gonna stake your flag on?
Considering who he was and his power at that network nearly everyone could be considered a subordinate. The exception being some of the other stars and the President of NBC. He was one of the most powerful men in that organization. All he had to say is "get rid of her" and she would be gone.
You're the one that brought in the "legality" of it all. Was she his subordinate or not? We don't even know her name, so there's no way we can know the answer to that question. You *could* be right, but so could I. I think I won't assume to know the answer.
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Oh, nonsense. You are assuming things that are not told you in the story. You *might* be right, but you could just as easily be wrong.
I may say things that you don't agree with, but none of them is "nonsense."
We are all speculating here, but if he is in a position of power and there was some sort of threat involved, then it was not consensual.
There is no more nonsense in my opinion/speculation than in yours.
Matt Lauer is clearly not an honorable man, so my guess is that my speculation has more likelihood of being what happened than giving him the benefit of the doubt.
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I may say things that you don't agree with, but none of them is "nonsense."
We are all speculating here, but if he is in a position of power and there was some sort of threat involved, then it was not consensual.
There is no more nonsense in my opinion/speculation than in yours.
Matt Lauer is clearly not an honorable man, so my guess is that my speculation has more likelihood of being what happened than giving him the benefit of the doubt.
Except that my "opinion" is easily supported based on the information that was given in the article that I have been speaking about and making very clear that I am speaking about. I'm not just throwing opinion around about what I think of the guy based on some preconceived notion I have about the type of man he is.
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@RoosGirl
Really thats the hill you're gonna stake your flag on?
Considering who he was and his power at that network nearly everyone could be considered a subordinate. The exception being some of the other stars and the President of NBC. He was one of the most powerful men in that organization. All he had to say is "get rid of her" and she would be gone.
It's really important to keep in mind the power issue.
In all these recent cases of accusations of predatory behavior, the man involved has been in a position of authority.
It's a factor that can't be sloughed off easily. Lauer had power at NBC, and you are right in that the women there could all be considered subordinates.
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Except that my "opinion" is easily supported based on the information that was given in the article that I have been speaking about and making very clear that I am speaking about. I'm not just throwing opinion around about what I think of the guy based on some preconceived notion I have about the type of man he is.
Nor am I.
That's where the issue of his being in power over the women needs to be factored in.
(Again...... Clinton/Lewinsky was "consensual" and still an abuse of power and therefore put Clinton in the wrong).
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I may say things that you don't agree with, but none of them is "nonsense."
We are all speculating here, but if he is in a position of power and there was some sort of threat involved, then it was not consensual.
There is no more nonsense in my opinion/speculation than in yours.
Matt Lauer is clearly not an honorable man, so my guess is that my speculation has more likelihood of being what happened than giving him the benefit of the doubt.
Seemed to me she was simply making a distinction between stating speculations as speculations and stating speculations as facts.
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Nor am I.
That's where the issue of his being in power over the women needs to be factored in.
(Again...... Clinton/Lewinsky was "consensual" and still an abuse of power and therefore put Clinton in the wrong).
He abused his power over her huh, just because they possibly had consensual sex? Who is the woman? What was her position within the organization?
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Seemed to me she was simply making a distinction between stating speculations as speculations and stating speculations as facts.
Neither of us did that. (That's what the word "IF" implies. Get it?)
The only thing I stated as fact was that Matt Lauer is not an honorable man.
Are you here to argue with me on that?
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He abused his power over her huh, just because they possibly had consensual sex? Who is the woman? What was her position within the organization?
Curious............. is that what you said when Clinton abused his power and had consensual sex with Monica?
Lauer was in a position of power. That changes the dynamic of what is or is not, consensual.
That is the only point I'm making, and I see no need to repeat the same thing again.
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Curious............. is that what you said when Clinton abused his power and had consensual sex with Monica?
Lauer was in a position of power. That changes the dynamic of what is or is not, consensual.
That is the only point I'm making, and I see no need to repeat the same thing again.
And this woman could have been in a position of equal power. We don't know, do we, because we don't know who she is?
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The only thing I stated as fact was that Matt Lauer is not an honorable man.
I think we've known that for years, based on the way he's done is day job.
What's new here is the allegation he's been banging on the hired help like a screen door in a hurricane, if you'll excuse the expression. The allegation is serious and confirmed well enough for him to get sacked for Cause like that, and that's a pretty high threshold, considering the money involved (his contract). If NBC's case was weak he'd be fighting this in court, and so far he is not.
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And this woman could have been in a position of equal power. We don't know, do we, because we don't know who she is?
Is there a woman in a position of equal power? I thought he was at the tippy-top of the power structure.
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Is there a woman in a position of equal power? I thought he was at the tippy-top of the power structure.
What if it was Katie?
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Is there a woman in a position of equal power? I thought he was at the tippy-top of the power structure.
I also don't know a thing about the ins and outs of NBC's organizational structure. Is there not a VP at NBC that is a woman? Don't know. But that's kinda my point. With this particular story only, we don't know.
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What if it was Katie?
There's that. My guess is he doesn't have the guts or the stomach. Just a guess.
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What if it was Katie?
From this morning's NYPost:
Katie Couric - who co-hosted with Lauer from his start in 1997 to her departure in 2006 - revealed in a June 2012 interview his "annoying" habit of getting too handsy with her. "He pinches me on the ass a lot", Couric said on Bravo's :Watch What Happens Live with Andy Cohen".
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There's that. My guess is he doesn't have the guts or the stomach. Just a guess.
Right, your guess, but not out of the realm of possibility. It sure as hell would change the dynamic of the story though, wouldn't it?
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I also don't know a thing about the ins and outs of NBC's organizational structure. Is there not a VP at NBC that is a woman? Don't know. But that's kinda my point. With this particular story only, we don't know.
It was bad enough to exercise a clause in Lauer's contract to sack him, and he isn't suing yet, so I think whoever it is is serious enough.
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Right, your guess, but not out of the realm of possibility. It sure as hell would change the dynamic of the story though, wouldn't it?
It would. The laugh factor would shoot through the roof.
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What if it was Katie?
Then the mental picture of them boffing until she passed out is unbearable. I'm still traumatized by the actual image of her webbed thighs on display while dancing.
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It was bad enough to exercise a clause in Lauer's contract to sack him, and he isn't suing yet, so I think whoever it is is serious enough.
My understanding is he was sacked based on the other women he was inappropriate with. Not this one in the article that I've been commenting about.
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My understanding is he was sacked based on the other women he was inappropriate with. Not this one in the article that I've been commenting about.
I don't know. What I said there is all I care to speculate on. :shrug:
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You're the one that brought in the "legality" of it all. Was she his subordinate or not? We don't even know her name, so there's no way we can know the answer to that question. You *could* be right, but so could I. I think I won't assume to know the answer.
@RoosGirl
No, I am the one that responded to your statements saying it wasn't rape.
Unless she was one of very few then it wasn't consensual. We don't need to know her name.
Enjoy your time defending a lefty rapist on that hill.
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And this woman could have been in a position of equal power. We don't know, do we, because we don't know who she is?
There were no women of equal power in the organization. Look at the pay.
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I don't know. What I said there is all I care to speculate on. :shrug:
The firing happened because of the intern's photo is my understanding. Doesn't sound like the 40-something year old would have been an intern.
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@RoosGirl
No, I am the one that responded to your statements saying it wasn't rape.
Unless she was one of very few then it wasn't consensual. We don't need to know her name.
Enjoy your time defending a lefty rapist on that hill.
"Unless she was one of the very few..." Prove she wasn't. I sure as hell can't prove it one way or the other. Again, I think I won't assume. You seem to be comfortable making the assumption.
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There were no women of equal power in the organization. Look at the pay.
He probably makes more than the President/CEO of NBC was paid. You think if the CEO wanted him gone he wouldn't be?
Anyway, looks like from the NY Post article my thought of it being Katie is a possibility.
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The firing happened because of the intern's photo is my understanding. Doesn't sound like the 40-something year old would have been an intern.
Is that the Sochi thing? I think an out-and-out rape is being claimed....
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There were no women of equal power in the organization. Look at the pay.
That's the issue here, methinks.
He had no "equals." As @driftdiver said.......... every woman in the organization can be considered his subordinate.
In ANY business, that inequality is a fundamental issue, and that's why executives and hotshots need to be held to a higher standard.
If that ever happens in show biz, it may just be a miracle.
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Is that the Sochi thing? I think an out-and-out rape is being claimed....
Yes. It really is unclear from the article whether what I'll refer to as "The 40 year old" was a consideration in the firing. It's hard to tell if this one was discovered/reported after the firing or part of what led to the firing.
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PS In 2001, Katie was pulling in $15 million per year and Matt Lauer only $4 million.
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Anyway, looks like from the NY Post article my thought of it being Katie is a possibility.
Tell me his lawyer in these NY Post pics doesn't look uncomfortable as hell.......
(https://nyppagesix.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/matt_lauer-1.jpg?quality=80&strip=all&w=201)
(https://nyppagesix.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/matt_lauer-4.jpg?quality=80&strip=all&w=201)
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PS In 2001, Katie was pulling in $15 million per year and Matt Lauer only $4 million.
I'm pretty sure contracts have been negotiated since 2001, and I'm also sure not in Katie's favor. Her draw is substantially less now that she's not as Perky.
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Matt could be facing rape charges and might even go to jail.
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I'm pretty sure contracts have been negotiated since 2001, and I'm also sure not in Katie's favor. Her draw is substantially less now that she's not as Perky.
Yeah, but the 40 year old thing happened in 2001
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Matt could be facing rape charges and might even go to jail.
That's the little bit of this that I can understand. The deal about hitting on chicks may just be wind in sails.
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Yeah, but the 40 year old thing happened in 2001
Thought you said it was Sochi?
Now I'm really confused.
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Thought you said it was Sochi?
Now I'm really confused.
I think I said that the photo was from the Sochi/intern thing and was at least a part of what led to the firing, but was unclear whether the 40 year old thing was also part of the firing or reported after the fact.
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Sounds like we don't know much at this point.
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Sounds like we don't know much at this point.
Perfect time to jump to conclusions! :laugh:
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Neither of us did that. (That's what the word "IF" implies. Get it?)
The only thing I stated as fact was that Matt Lauer is not an honorable man.
Are you here to argue with me on that?
The word "if" is not included in the post she was referring to.
I have my opinion of Mr Lauer's character, but I would not state it as a fact, because it is an opinion.
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Except that my "opinion" is easily supported based on the information that was given in the article that I have been speaking about and making very clear that I am speaking about. I'm not just throwing opinion around about what I think of the guy based on some preconceived notion I have about the type of man he is.
@RoosGirl
That's right. Thank you for standing against the tide and actually narrowing the conversation to the information available. You're position reminds me of FR back in the day, when inquiry had purpose, and we could winnow through the news to find the truth of things.
That is a powerful thing.
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Perfect time to jump to conclusions! :laugh:
There is no better time. The field is completely uncluttered by any facts. :laugh:
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Perfect time to jump to conclusions! :laugh:
Hey I'm always up for my favorite exercise routine. Lets go girl! chop chop. Sweating to the Oldies.
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Hey I'm always up for my favorite exercise routine. Lets go girl! chop chop. Sweating to the Oldies.
I'm ready!
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@RoosGirl
That's right. Thank you for standing against the tide and actually narrowing the conversation to the information available. You're position reminds me of FR back in the day, when inquiry had purpose, and we could winnow through the news to find the truth of things.
That is a powerful thing.
:beer:
@roamer_1 You're already on my sweet side, you don't have to try any harder! :laugh:
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Right. Don't need facts muddying things in the court of public opinion. Start throwing in facts and the conversation turns from guilt or innocence to punishment.
Bailiff, whack his pee-pee!
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I was one of Matt's victims. It was no big thing......... literally.
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@roamer_1 You're already on my sweet side, you don't have to try any harder! :laugh:
You have a sweet side? I must need new glasses.
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I was one of Matt's victims. It was no big thing......... literally.
uh huh
He probably had to tie a plank across his ass.
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You have a sweet side? I must need new glasses.
Better make it a microscope.
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Better make it a microscope.
I can see it. No...wait...it is my eyes glazing over.
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@RoosGirl
Under current law a manager cannot have consensual sex with a subordinate (legally).
That is entirely untrue.
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@RoosGirl
That's right. Thank you for standing against the tide and actually narrowing the conversation to the information available. You're position reminds me of FR back in the day, when inquiry had purpose, and we could winnow through the news to find the truth of things.
That is a powerful thing.
:beer:
@RoosGirl @roamer_1
yes thank you for defending a rapist and helping old geezers relive their glory days
Folks here attack conservatives for the slightest infraction and throw them to the wolves. yet a raging liberal who has done unimaginable damage to Conservatives and the fabric of America gets defended.
now thats astonishing
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@RoosGirl @roamer_1
yes thank you for defending a rapist and helping old geezers relive their glory days
Folks here attack conservatives for the slightest infraction and throw them to the wolves. yet a raging liberal who has done unimaginable damage to Conservatives and the fabric of America gets defended.
now thats astonishing
That's a pretty harsh accusation. You need to go back and read again and then quote where I am defending anyone.
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Paula Froelichâ€Verified account @Pfro
22h22 hours ago
let's not forget that Matt Lauer was only given the boot because @nytimes and @variety were going to make claims public. Claims that have festered on the legal bills of @nbc for years. They knew, they hid - AND ARE STILL HIDING - predators.
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@RoosGirl @roamer_1
yes thank you for defending a rapist and helping old geezers relive their glory days
Folks here attack conservatives for the slightest infraction and throw them to the wolves. yet a raging liberal who has done unimaginable damage to Conservatives and the fabric of America gets defended.
now thats astonishing
Just part of the show. The continued dismantling of America.
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That is entirely untrue.
Uh oh, another he said/she said. Let me know if you're a woman, if so you are infinitely more believable than whatever the man says on this matter.
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I'm on your side here - disagreeing wholeheartedly with driftdiver's statement to you saying that under current law, there can be no consensual employee-employer relationship.
That's false. There can be ethical issues that should be sorted out, and there are concerns about other employees raising claims of preferential treatment in employment related benefits or hostile work environment depending on how the relationship is handled, but boss-subordinate relationships are not "illegal" or per se nonconsensual.
I'm female, to the extent that matters. I'm also a lawyer, which probably matters more to my statement.
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I'm female, to the extent that matters. I'm also a lawyer, ...
Awe prairie shit... there goes the website. Got to find a new home.
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Awe prairie shit... there goes the website. Got to find a new home.
Hey, I don't like it either, but we all make mistakes when we're 21. Mine was going to law school. :beer:
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I'm supporting your statement, disagreeing wholeheartedly with driftdiver's statement to you saying that under current law, there can be no consensual employee-employer relationship.
That's a wholly untrue statement that drift made. There can be ethical issues that should be sorted out, and there are concerns about other employees raising claims of preferential treatment in employment related benefits or hostile work environment depending on how the relationship is handled, but boss-subordinate relationships are not "illegal" or per se nonconsensual.
I'm female, to the extent that matters. I'm also a lawyer, which probably matters more to my statement.
And they say engineers have no sense of humor... :laugh:
Thank you, I appreciate your input on the subject. I was wondering if @driftdiver was correct in that when he said it, but I've been so busy defending a rapist I haven't had time to research it further.
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Awe prairie shit... there goes the website. Got to find a new home.
Oh shut it. Don't you insult my new friend Cammie, at least until she says I'm wrong about something.
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And they say engineers have no sense of humor... :laugh:
Thank you, I appreciate your input on the subject. I was wondering if @driftdiver was correct in that when he said it, but I've been so busy defending a rapist I haven't had time to research it further.
Sorry, I'm humor impaired today as so many people are flying wildly by the seat of their emotions, to torture a phrase.
But yeah, supporting leftists and rapists is a full-time gig :)
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Hey, I don't like it either, but we all make mistakes when we're 21. Mine was going to law school.
I know I know we all make bad choices. I mean you could have started drinking and sleeping around and really made something of yourself. But noooooo you passed the wrong bar!
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I mean you could have started drinking and sleeping around and really made something of yourself.
NOW you tell me. If only my parents had told me that when I was in college!
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Sorry, I'm humor impaired today as so many people are flying wildly by the seat of their emotions, to torture a phrase.
But yeah, supporting leftists and rapists is a full-time gig :)
If you are trying to take my sweet spot away from @roamer_1 you are doing splendidly!
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Awe prairie shit... there goes the website. Got to find a new home.
I hear ya. Shits always ruined once the lawyers get involved.
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NOW you tell me. If only my parents had told me that when I was in college!
I was an advisor to many young ladies back in my yute. Sort of a life coach.. but before it was popularized. Well advisor is a relative term. My relatives say corrupter. Merely semantics I say!
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And they say engineers have no sense of humor... :laugh:
The funny hat and overalls make it a prerequisite.....
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The word "if" is not included in the post she was referring to.
I have my opinion of Mr Lauer's character, but I would not state it as a fact, because it is an opinion.
It was included in the post you quoted.
ALL of this is inconclusive because we don't have details.
That doesn't preclude us from having opinions, which I have, and you apparently do as well.
I have the same opinion of what "Mr Lauer" did as I did of what "Mr Clinton" did with Monica Lewinsky.
Quibble with it, as you may, the opinion I have set forth has a valid base of fact behind it. I had information about Clinton just as I do about Lauer. They are both cads, and I'm drawing my personal views based on what I know.
(But when it comes to the details, I DID say "if.")
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MEREDITH VIEIRA
CALLED OUT MATT LAUER FOR
'HUGE BAG OF SEX TOYS' IN HIS OFFICE
Meredith Vieira brought up a "bag of sex toys" she once found in Matt Lauer's office -- and you gotta see how Matt expertly tap danced out of the awkward convo...
http://m.tmz.com/#2017/11/30/meredith-vieira-matt-lauer-bag-sex-toys-sexual-misconduct-fired-today/ (http://m.tmz.com/#2017/11/30/meredith-vieira-matt-lauer-bag-sex-toys-sexual-misconduct-fired-today/)
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Uh oh, another he said/she said. Let me know if you're a woman, if so you are infinitely more believable than whatever the man says on this matter.
There's not a person on this forum that assumes the woman is "more believable than whatever the man says on this matter." NO one is doing that.
That's just silly.
One might even say, nonsensical.
Can't you have a different opinion without smearing those who disagree? I don't get what that's all about.
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There's not a person on this forum that assumes the woman is "more believable than whatever the man says on this matter." NO one is doing that.
That's just silly.
One might even say, nonsensical.
Can't you have a different opinion without smearing those who disagree? I don't get what that's all about.
Don't take it personally. One, I wasn't referring to you. Two, it was sarcasm. Three, there *are* people that believe the woman is to be believed at all costs, even right here on this forum though not necessarily involved in this conversation. Four, I'm all about being silly and nonsensical. Five, there's still no proof in that article that "the 40 year old" was non-consensual.
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MEREDITH VIEIRA
CALLED OUT MATT LAUER FOR
'HUGE BAG OF SEX TOYS' IN HIS OFFICE
Meredith Vieira brought up a "bag of sex toys" she once found in Matt Lauer's office -- and you gotta see how Matt expertly tap danced out of the awkward convo...
/#2017/11/30/meredith-vieira-matt-lauer-bag-sex-toys-sexual-misconduct-fired-today/
@edpc Doooood, what kind of linkage is that!? ^^^
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@edpc Doooood, what kind of linkage is that!? ^^^
I goggled it. It was from tmz...
http://www.tmz.com/2017/11/30/meredith-vieira-matt-lauer-bag-sex-toys-sexual-misconduct-fired-today/ (http://www.tmz.com/2017/11/30/meredith-vieira-matt-lauer-bag-sex-toys-sexual-misconduct-fired-today/)
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@edpc Doooood, what kind of linkage is that!? ^^^
Fixed it.
As these guys might say, blame it on the rain.
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As Matt might say, blame it on Lorraine.
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@roamer_1 You're already on my sweet side, you don't have to try any harder! :laugh:
You are one of the very best! thinking, sensible, and a biting wit! There is nothing sexier than an erudite mind.
Ohh, wait. ah, crap. Now I'm a pervert. :beer:
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Fixed it.
As these guys might say, blame it on the rain.
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As Matt might say, blame it on Lorraine.
They were such good singers. I don't know why we don't hear more from them.
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You are one of the very best! thinking, sensible, and a biting wit! There is nothing sexier than an erudite mind.
Ohh, wait. ah, crap. Now I'm a pervert. :beer:
Jeez, first you compliment me, then you call me rude. I am half and half offended. Make no mistake, I will be filing a report.
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They were such good singers. I don't know why we don't hear more from them.
Rob is dead, so if you hear him singing, you're probably at the gates of hell. If you hear both singing, you're probably in one of those inner circles Dante wrote about.
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@RoosGirl @roamer_1
yes thank you for defending a rapist and helping old geezers relive their glory days
Folks here attack conservatives for the slightest infraction and throw them to the wolves. yet a raging liberal who has done unimaginable damage to Conservatives and the fabric of America gets defended.
now thats astonishing
@driftdiver
DEFENDING? Who is defending? He's already made a public mea-culpa. What I am defending is the idea the the truth is all we need, and what we should be about. @RoosGirl very purposefully brought the conversation down to what we know from THIS article. That is admirable.
now, back to your regularly scheduled masturbatory gossip mongering.
I swear, all y'all gossip like old hens.
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I know I know we all make bad choices. I mean you could have started drinking and sleeping around and really made something of yourself. But noooooo you passed the wrong bar!
How do you get across Ireland without passing a pub (bar)?
You go in em... :silly:
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They were such good singers. I don't know why we don't hear more from them.
Its weird. Its like they and their backup band The Four Peters just disappeared off the face of the earth.
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How do you get across Ireland without passing a pub (bar)?
You go in em... :silly:
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Don't take it personally. One, I wasn't referring to you. Two, it was sarcasm. Three, there *are* people that believe the woman is to be believed at all costs, even right here on this forum though not necessarily involved in this conversation. Four, I'm all about being silly and nonsensical. Five, there's still no proof in that article that "the 40 year old" was non-consensual.
Oh, don't worry. I didn't take it personally.
The problem with the sarcasm about serious matters is that (IMHO, that is), it encourages some on the other end of the spectrum who always assume that the woman is lying, or deserved it, or asked for it, or a plethora of other accusations that have historically and frequently been leveled at women who reported sexual assaults.
I don't think there's anyone here who automatically always believes the women, but I do think there are those who jump on the "it's her fault" traditional male response.
Maybe you think I'm overreacting in defense of women, but I have a family member (daughter, in fact) who works with the victims of men like Clinton and Lauer, and all sorts of reprobates and perverts, and I know for a fact that it's a tough journey for women who stand up against predators. They don't do it for the fun of it, for sure.
I also have problems with making light of every situation, no matter how serious, but that's a personality difference, and I deal with it usually by clicking off the threads where the sexual banter is going on. But occasionally, I actually want to discuss the issue, so it's more difficult for me to avoid the silliness.
On your last statement we agree. There is no proof. There may never be proof. But that doesn't mean it didn't happen....
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It was included in the post you quoted.
ALL of this is inconclusive because we don't have details.
That doesn't preclude us from having opinions, which I have, and you apparently do as well.
I have the same opinion of what "Mr Lauer" did as I did of what "Mr Clinton" did with Monica Lewinsky.
Quibble with it, as you may, the opinion I have set forth has a valid base of fact behind it. I had information about Clinton just as I do about Lauer. They are both cads, and I'm drawing my personal views based on what I know.
(But when it comes to the details, I DID say "if.")
No, the post in question is the one where you said he was a predator (or close, not a direct quote), and there is no "if".
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They were such good singers. I don't know why we don't hear more from them.
Did we ever hear anything from them?
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Oh, don't worry. I didn't take it personally.
The problem with the sarcasm about serious matters is that (IMHO, that is), it encourages some on the other end of the spectrum who always assume that the woman is lying, or deserved it, or asked for it, or a plethora of other accusations that have historically and frequently been leveled at women who reported sexual assaults.
I don't think there's anyone here who automatically always believes the women, but I do think there are those who jump on the "it's her fault" traditional male response.
Maybe you think I'm overreacting in defense of women, but I have a family member (daughter, in fact) who works with the victims of men like Clinton and Lauer, and all sorts of reprobates and perverts, and I know for a fact that it's a tough journey for women who stand up against predators. They don't do it for the fun of it, for sure.
I also have problems with making light of every situation, no matter how serious, but that's a personality difference, and I deal with it usually by clicking off the threads where the sexual banter is going on. But occasionally, I actually want to discuss the issue, so it's more difficult for me to avoid the silliness.
On your last statement we agree. There is no proof. There may never be proof. But that doesn't mean it didn't happen....
I have no interest in discussing the "traditional male response" with respect to any of the men on the forum save 1 or 2, and certainly none that have been involved in *this* discussion. I find that kind of implied accusation highly unacceptable and distasteful; given some of my comments and tomfoolery this comment should make a big impression on you.
And it doesn't mean that it did happen.
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Did we ever hear anything from them?
I found all of the accusations of lip syncing highly suspicious. ^-^
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I found all of the accusations of lip syncing highly suspicious. ^-^
You fit right in.
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I have no interest in discussing the "traditional male response" with respect to any of the men on the forum save 1 or 2, and certainly none that have been involved in *this* discussion. I find that kind of implied accusation highly unacceptable and distasteful; given some of my comments and tomfoolery this comment should make a big impression on you.
And it doesn't mean that it did happen.
OK............... so you agree that there are "1 or 2" traditional male responders on this forum (not on this thread), but also agree that no one on this forum automatically sides with the women, but you find my "accusation" distasteful, but yours is OK??
Sorry if I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. There are "assumers" on both sides across the country, but only a few men on this forum on the "it's always the woman's fault" and no men or women on the "it's never the woman's fault," side. That's your position, right??
Not sure I'm getting what you're trying to say, but I'll just assume it's my fault, and leave it at that...... :shrug:
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OK............... so you agree that there are "1 or 2" traditional male responders on this forum (not on this thread), but also agree that no one on this forum automatically sides with the women, but you find my "accusation" distasteful, but yours is OK??
Sorry if I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. There are "assumers" on both sides across the country, but only a few men on this forum on the "it's always the woman's fault" and no men or women on the "it's never the woman's fault," side. That's your position, right??
Not sure I'm getting what you're trying to say, but I'll just assume it's my fault, and leave it at that...... :shrug:
Not exactly. I have no interest in making an across the board accusation of "typical male response" as it comes across to me in many, but not all, of your comments on this issue. I find the men here, save the 1 or 2 that have already been alluded to, above reproach, and I will not speak about this issue in generalities because of that. I have seen you previously comment on the relative of yours that works with abused women; it is my opinion that many of your comments on these recent issues are unduly influenced by that fact.
My comments on "the 40 year old" article are spot on; I have no idea why anyone would have issue with them other than to make broad comments/accusations/generalities about Matt Lauer (that I don't necessarily disagree with) that have nothing to do with *that* article or my comments on *that* article and/or accuse me of supporting a rapist.
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Jeff Zucker said he was shocked by sexual assault and harassment allegations against “Today†co-anchor Matt Lauer, labeling the charges “incredibly disturbing.â€
“I’ve known Matt for 25 years and I didn’t know this Matt,†Zucker said at Business Insider’s Ignition conference on Thursday, adding, “It’s incredibly, incredibly heartbreaking.
http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/jeff-zucker-matt-lauer-today-1202626959/ (http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/jeff-zucker-matt-lauer-today-1202626959/)
Sounds like Jeff is feeling left out.
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Jeff Zucker said he was shocked by sexual assault and harassment allegations against “Today†co-anchor Matt Lauer, labeling the charges “incredibly disturbing.â€
“I’ve known Matt for 25 years and I didn’t know this Matt,†Zucker said at Business Insider’s Ignition conference on Thursday, adding, “It’s incredibly, incredibly heartbreaking.
http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/jeff-zucker-matt-lauer-today-1202626959/ (http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/jeff-zucker-matt-lauer-today-1202626959/)
Sounds like Jeff is feeling left out.
Gee I hope Jeff isn't planning on a career in the news biz. He just doesn't have a nose for it.
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Ever since this story has been in the news, I keep thinking about how Rush used to purposely mispronounce his name. I can hear it as clear as day!
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Not exactly. I have no interest in making an across the board accusation of "typical male response" as it comes across to me in many, but not all, of your comments on this issue. I find the men here, save the 1 or 2 that have already been alluded to, above reproach, and I will not speak about this issue in generalities because of that. I have seen you previously comment on the relative of yours that works with abused women; it is my opinion that many of your comments on these recent issues are unduly influenced by that fact.
My comments on "the 40 year old" article are spot on; I have no idea why anyone would have issue with them other than to make broad comments/accusations/generalities about Matt Lauer (that I don't necessarily disagree with) that have nothing to do with *that* article or my comments on *that* article and/or accuse me of supporting a rapist.
I don't disagree with you at all that the vast majority of men on this forum are above reproach, and if you have read anything other than that into my comments, you are looking for something that isn't there. The worst I have seen here is unwarranted defensiveness, and actually more of that seems to be coming from you than most of them. (They don't really need you to stick up for them, do they? They're quite articulate on their own).
As for being "unduly influenced" by actual cases of actual women abused by actual men, whatever.... I deal in reality and the world as it is, and if that's a problem for you, so be it.
Most gentlemen, I think would lean toward my opinions, since they have been raised to respect women, and groping them is something that is just not done. The men I've talked with about this subject are horrified by the behavior of powerful predators in the news these days.
Guys like Matt and John and Harvey, and Kevin and Donald disgust them.
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@Frank Cannon
Frankie you know as well as I do Lauer will be back on the air at some point. Just like Williams. Just like Rather.
Matt the Rat will check into a famous sex addiction rehab palace. Spend about a half a day and check out miraculously cured and ready for duty. He'll do the obligatory apology tour with stops on the View and a few other assorted and sundry TV shows. He'll buy stock in Visine since hell be using copious amounts of it to be able to cry on cue.
Ah yes...Matt will be back. You can make book on it.
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Ever since this story has been in the news, I keep thinking about how Rush used to purposely mispronounce his name. I can hear it as clear as day!
LOL! He said it with that Tom Brokaw swallowed "L." Hilarious!
@EdJames
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Ah yes...Matt will be back. You can make book on it.
Depends on how rapey he felt in his office.
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Depends on how rapey he felt in his office.
I think that book was already written.....
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I don't disagree with you at all that the vast majority of men on this forum are above reproach, and if you have read anything other than that into my comments, you are looking for something that isn't there. The worst I have seen here is unwarranted defensiveness, and actually more of that seems to be coming from you than most of them. (They don't really need you to stick up for them, do they? They're quite articulate on their own).
As for being "unduly influenced" by actual cases of actual women abused by actual men, whatever.... I deal in reality and the world as it is, and if that's a problem for you, so be it.
Most gentlemen, I think would lean toward my opinions, since they have been raised to respect women, and groping them is something that is just not done. The men I've talked with about this subject are horrified by the behavior of powerful predators in the news these days.
Guys like Matt and John and Harvey, and Kevin and Donald disgust them.
And now you're changing the subject. Get a grip, I have said nothing about my "feelings" toward Matt or any other celebrity. You suggesting that I believe what he or any of the other celebrities supposedly did is okay, or that I don't believe that women are really abused by men is pretty foul.
If I want to stick up for any man on this forum that is my business and in my mind has more to do with them than you. I'm sick and bleep tired of the bash men nonsense that we see everywhere. I bet a fair number of them here appreciate that I will speak up for them; if they don't that's okay, and if you don't I couldn't care less.
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And now you're changing the subject. Get a grip, I have said nothing about my "feelings" toward Matt or any other celebrity. You suggesting that I believe what he or any of the other celebrities supposedly did is okay, or that I don't believe that women are really abused by men is pretty foul.
If I want to stick up for any man on this forum that is my business and in my mind has more to do with them than you. I'm sick and bleep tired of the bash men nonsense that we see everywhere. I bet a fair number of them here appreciate that I will speak up for them; if they don't that's okay, and if you don't I couldn't care less.
Wow. LOTS of anger and misinterpretation/twisting of many things in this post.
I was just coming back to say that I'm tired of this, aren't you? So let's quit...... But I see that you're pretty mad, so for that reason alone I'm asking for a truce.
Go back and re-read the things I've said without that "tired of man bashing" feeling you have and your odd defensiveness about your own feelings, and you'll see that I never said what has made you so angry here.
Have a pleasant evening. I certainly will. :beer:
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The irony, of course, is that most of us agree that caddish behavior in the workplace is a destructive thing, and shouldn't be tolerated. (Especially in the context of a power imbalance, such as the President of the United States egging on an intern to use a cigar on herself on the Oval Office rug.)
But what gets in the way is identity politics and unabashed partisanship.
The Dems should force Conyers to step down just as the Republicans should disavow Roy Moore. But it won't happen.
And the culture coarsens.
But I agree with Peggy Noonan. It is time for the paradigm to change, at least in the workplace. Private industry, certainly not Washington, will lead the way, to arrive at a consensus that will allow the workplace to function given current cultural attitudes. And jock culture just happens to be on the outs, and women are in the ascendancy. That's fair, that's appropriate. I wish we'd approach the resolution constructively, though, and not give back all of the fun.
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Wow. LOTS of anger and misinterpretation/twisting of many things in this post.
I was just coming back to say that I'm tired of this, aren't you? So let's quit...... But I see that you're pretty mad, so for that reason alone I'm asking for a truce.
Go back and re-read the things I've said without that "tired of man bashing" feeling you have and your odd defensiveness about your own feelings, and you'll see that I never said what has made you so angry here.
Have a pleasant evening. I certainly will. :beer:
Dahling, you're reading me wrong. There's no anger, just straight talk.
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Dahling, you're reading me wrong. There's no anger, just straight talk.
Yeah....... sure. The words of love.
Peace. 888heartkitty
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But I agree with Peggy Noonan. It is time for the paradigm to change, at least in the workplace. Private industry, certainly not Washington, will lead the way, to arrive at a consensus that will allow the workplace to function given current cultural attitudes. And jock culture just happens to be on the outs, and women are in the ascendancy. That's fair, that's appropriate. I wish we'd approach the resolution constructively, though, and not give back all of the fun.
Welp, you just proved you've never seen the sunny side of the private sector. They've been doing the Harassment Training and attendant cultural adjustments for better than 25 years. If you knew that you would not have said the quoted paragraph.
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Welp, you just proved you've never seen the sunny side of the private sector. They've been doing the Harassment Training and attendant cultural adjustments for better than 25 years. If you knew that you would not have said the quoted paragraph.
I know I'm going to get a time out, but it's worth it - you have got to be the stupidest person on this forum.
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I know I'm going to get a time out, but it's worth it - you have got to be the stupidest person on this forum.
Man.....I never win nuthin’. :crying:
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I know I'm going to get a time out, but it's worth it - you have got to be the stupidest person on this forum.
Why would think that would get you a time out? I'm not bothered by you proving, once again, what you believe. I'll have you know I haven't clicked "Report" on you even one time.
Enjoy the place. You're loved more than you know.
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Welp, you just proved you've never seen the sunny side of the private sector. They've been doing the Harassment Training and attendant cultural adjustments for better than 25 years. If you knew that you would not have said the quoted paragraph.
I remember such training going back further than that. Whats happening in Hollywood and in DC in no way reflects whats happening in the private sector. Anyone who thinks it does has their head up their backside.
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I remember such training going back further than that. Whats happening in Hollywood and in DC in no way reflects whats happening in the private sector. Anyone who thinks it does has their head up their backside.
Or never worked the private sector because they're legal beagles and Beltway Whores that get their understanding of America from the Matt Lauer's and The View on TeeVee.
jock culture just happens to be on the outs, and women are in the ascendancy. That's fair, that's appropriate.
It will be fun to watch this feminized country go up against the Patriarchal Chinese and the Norks. Maybe the females can file sexual abuse allegations against them when they hand us our lunch.
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Man.....I never win nuthin’. :crying:
Tell me about it! Man I'm going back to the losers corner. Care to join me? Cyber's not welcome anymore. So it is stale donuts and instant coffee. :beer:
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Or never worked the private sector because they're legal beagles and Beltway Whores that get their understanding of America from the Matt Lauer's and The View on TeeVee.
It will be fun to watch this feminized country go up against the Patriarchal Chinese and the Norks. Maybe the females can file sexual abuse allegations against them when they hand us our lunch.
You mean, it'll be fun if I'm watching from a safe distance with a 30-06 scoped in at the right distance.
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Tell me about it! Man I'm going back to the losers corner. Care to join me? Cyber's not welcome anymore. So it is stale donuts and instant coffee. :beer:
And just a little while ago it tasted like...Victory. 8888crybaby
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Welp, you just proved you've never seen the sunny side of the private sector. They've been doing the Harassment Training and attendant cultural adjustments for better than 25 years. If you knew that you would not have said the quoted paragraph.
Training without consequences is meaningless. The difference this time around is that consequences are finally beginning to be imposed on those who believed they had enough power to get away with it. Up until this year, they did. The paradigm shift is that the power has gone, drained away in a blink.
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You mean, it'll be fun if I'm watching from a safe distance with a 30-06 scoped in at the right distance.
Well, Themyscira this place is not. But it will be interesting to see metrosexual and gender-confused pantywaists go up against a patriarchal military once the feminists have eradicated masculinity to legally belong only in the province of crew-cut plaid shirt-wearing lesbians.
(http://www.meoso.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/american-symbols-of-manhood-from-gi-joe-to-pajama-boy-in-just-a-few-generations.jpg)
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Training without consequences is meaningless. The difference this time around is that consequences are finally beginning to be imposed on those who believed they had enough power to get away with it. Up until this year, they did. The paradigm shift is that the power has gone, drained away in a blink.
Totally agree. There has never been a shortage of consequences in my neck of the corporate jungle.
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Well, Themyscira this place is not. But it will be interesting to see metrosexual and gender-confused pantywaists go up against a patriarchal military once the feminists have eradicated masculinity to legally belong only in the province of crew-cut plaid shirt-wearing lesbians.
(http://www.meoso.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/american-symbols-of-manhood-from-gi-joe-to-pajama-boy-in-just-a-few-generations.jpg)
That poses a new age-old question: Why do Lesbians seem to be attracted to women who look like men?
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That poses a new age-old question: Why do Lesbians seem to be attracted to women who look like men?
Got those "Deep Thought" working tonight I see. Better back of the Nyquil. :nono:
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Well, Themyscira this place is not. But it will be interesting to see metrosexual and gender-confused pantywaists go up against a patriarchal military once the feminists have eradicated masculinity to legally belong only in the province of crew-cut plaid shirt-wearing lesbians.
(http://www.meoso.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/american-symbols-of-manhood-from-gi-joe-to-pajama-boy-in-just-a-few-generations.jpg)
Just remember in your Golden Age of masculinity, the Red and Lavender Scare purges were backed by Roy Cohn and J Edgar Hoover - the biggest Queens of America until Obama.
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Got those "Deep Thought" working tonight I see. Better back of the Nyquil. :nono:
Si, Senor. Too Queek for me.
Comes from spending the last half day fencing with the resident liberal. He finally concluded I'm too stoopit to live. :blank: :blank:
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Totally agree. There has never been a shortage of consequences in my neck of the corporate jungle.
Unfortunately, consequences have been in generally short supply in many places, particularly when it comes to the powerful men, not the rank and file. That is the paradigm shift that is now taking place.
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Yeah....... sure. The words of love.
Peace. 888heartkitty
:shrug: You've believed what you wanted about pretty much everything I've said, no matter how clear or straight forward I've been with my words. Carry on.
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:shrug: You've believed what you wanted about pretty much everything I've said, no matter how clear or straight forward I've been with my words. Carry on.
I'm beginning to think you have a persecution complex on this one. I've been reading your words. I've been responding with my thoughts. We disagree. (Though not much). All on the up and up. No projection. No "wanting to believe." Nothing.
And I don't want to keep arguing with you about absolutely nothing.
You may continue as long as you wish if you can't let it go.
I'm done.
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LOL! He said it with that Tom Brokaw swallowed "L." Hilarious!
@EdJames
Yes, you described it exactly! I couldn't remember what that mispronunciation was based on, thanks!
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Yes, you described it exactly! I couldn't remember what that mispronunciation was based on, thanks!
No problem. You just gargle a little bit when you're saying the "L" and voila! It's Rush's Brokaw pronunciation! ^-^
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This conversation between @RoosGirl and @musiclady is EXACTLY why I chose jobs where I didn't work around women.
Don't take it the worng (intentional) way.
My wife can do and say any damn thing she wants. I don't own her. And for the record she is the only woman I have ever known.
She can talk to anyone she wants. Granted she has only had low paying low scale jobs. Cashier, waitress, etc. The worst job site "abuse" she ever suffered was from customers, or other female workers.
And she can hold her own, to a point. She'll fake a kick down low and punch you right in the mouth, and she don't hit like a girl. (don't ask me how I know that)
I completely agree hoshots azzholes, like Lauer or Weinstein, need to punished to the MAX, when Proved.
What I have concern for is something in the bigger picture. The paradigm shift that has been pointed out earlier in the thread.
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This conversation between @RoosGirl and @musiclady is EXACTLY why I chose jobs where I didn't work around women.
Don't take it the worng (intentional) way.
My wife can do and say any damn thing she wants. I don't own her. And for the record she is the only woman I have ever known.
She can talk to anyone she wants. Granted she has only had low paying low scale jobs. Cashier, waitress, etc. The worst job site "abuse" she ever suffered was from customers, or other female workers.
And she can hold her own, to a point. She'll fake a kick down low and punch you right in the mouth, and she don't hit like a girl. (don't ask me how I know that)
I completely agree hoshots azzholes, like Lauer or Weinstein, need to punished to the MAX, when Proved.
What I have concern for is something in the bigger picture. The paradigm shift that has been pointed out earlier in the thread.
What is your concern about the paradigm shift?
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This conversation between @RoosGirl and @musiclady is EXACTLY why I chose jobs where I didn't work around women.
Don't take it the worng (intentional) way.
My wife can do and say any damn thing she wants. I don't own her. And for the record she is the only woman I have ever known.
She can talk to anyone she wants. Granted she has only had low paying low scale jobs. Cashier, waitress, etc. The worst job site "abuse" she ever suffered was from customers, or other female workers.
And she can hold her own, to a point. She'll fake a kick down low and punch you right in the mouth, and she don't hit like a girl. (don't ask me how I know that)
I completely agree hoshots azzholes, like Lauer or Weinstein, need to punished to the MAX, when Proved.
What I have concern for is something in the bigger picture. The paradigm shift that has been pointed out earlier in the thread.
Just for the record, I have never had a problem with any of the men with whom I've worked. Differences settled amicably because I'm honest to a fault. I don't play typical female "games" where guys have to guess what I'm thinking.
Ask my husband of 41 years.
I'm not sure what paradigm shift you're talking about, but I don't think a mild disagreement among friends, male or female, on an internet forum is proof of anything, nor reason not to want to work with women.
@bigheadfred
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btw, I think @RoosGirl and I would both be AWESOME for you to work with (or for).
ALL women should be JUST. LIKE. US. :dx1:
@bigheadfred
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btw, I think @RoosGirl and I would both be AWESOME for you to work with (or for).
ALL women should be JUST. LIKE. US. :dx1:
@bigheadfred
A statement I can get behind. I have the greatest respect for you both because I've never had to question where I stood with you. Well, @RoosGirl a couple times, but it's always when @Frank Cannon is around.... :whistle:
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A statement I can get behind.
Who do you think you are? Matt Lauer?
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A statement I can get behind. I have the greatest respect for you both because I've never had to question where I stood with you. Well, @RoosGirl a couple times, but it's always when @Frank Cannon is around.... :whistle:
Yeah........ Frank's not a good influence on her, for sure. ^-^
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Who do you think you are? Matt Lauer?
****drummer
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Yep, it's all Frank's fault. :whistle:
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What is your concern about the paradigm shift?
One of the reasons I will never work for anyone but myself is due the fact it does not take anything but an allegation of 'harassment' to lose your job when working with females.
When I was art-directing a commercial calendar shoot some time ago, the model/actress accused a photographer of 'harassment' over his rebuffs of her flirtation when off-set. She got him fired off the project by accusing him of inappropriate sexual advances. It did not matter that several of us vouched for the fact it never happened. The charge was all that mattered because of how she 'felt' according to execs.
In today's climate just saying "Hello" can be regarded as harassment, while at the same time men keeping to themselves and avoiding contact or engagement with females in the workplace is regarded as creating a 'hostile environment'.
No way I would put myself in an environment where you are one complaint away from termination whether you make eye contact with the 'victim' or not.
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I hate it when paradigms shift. It's usually painful.
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How did this get lumped into the discussion about sexual harassment?
It is an uptick from Mutt and Jeff.
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How did this get lumped into the discussion about sexual harassment?
It's a paradigm shift
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Look people. Whether you believe it or not I am a highly spiritual person. Yes. many things I post are "off color". Take a look at yourself, I mean none of you any harm. With the posts I make.
The paradigm shift I am referring to is the debasement of "white" patriarichal society. The foundation of this nation. Christian.
There is a concerted effort to demasculinize our culture. Specifically, white male dominated.
I've seen the abuse of that male dominance over and over and over again. Legally, there was very little I could personally do. You know. When I killed that MFer beating me in the head with a club, his wife thanked me for saving her life. Oh, yaw, whatever. I was only trying to save myself. Because after the stupid bitch REFUSED my concerted effort to get her into an abused women's shelter, she, went back for more...
Personally, I am attracted to women. Fer sure one in particular, but my head still turns. And she gets that. She'll point them out so I don't wreck driving down the road to fake the look.
Women are biologically adapted to find the "right" mate.
Men are biologically adapted to mate.
The big push. Androgynous gender equality.
This may be off topic, but in my world , it is not.
Let us get down to the paradigm shift.
How many of you will put a chip in your body to make you equal???
How many of you are going to "let" a robot" take your job?
How many of you are willing to adapt?
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Look people. Whether you believe it or not I am a highly spiritual person. Yes. many things I post are "off color". Take a look at yourself, I mean none of you any harm. With the posts I make.
The paradigm shift I am referring to is the debasement of "white" patriarichal society. The foundation of this nation. Christian.
There is a concerted effort to demasculinize our culture. Specifically, white male dominated.
I've seen the abuse of that male dominance over and over and over again. Legally, there was very little I could personally do. You know. When I killed that MFer beating me in the head with a club, his wife thanked me for saving her life. Oh, yaw, whatever. I was only trying to save myself. Because after the stupid bitch REFUSED my concerted effort to get her into an abused women's shelter, she, went back for more...
Personally, I am attracted to women. Fer sure one in particular, but my head still turns. And she gets that. She'll point them out so I don't wreck driving down the road to fake the look.
Women are biologically adapted to find the "right" mate.
Men are biologically adapted to mate.
The big push. Androgynous gender equality.
This may be off topic, but in my world , it is not.
Let us get down to the paradigm shift.
How many of you will put a chip in your body to make you equal???
How many of you are going to "let" a robot" take your job?
How many of you are willing to adapt?
Fred, now I understand what you were meaning. Me - I'm too old to adapt to stuff I don't want to adapt to. I worry greatly for my kids and grandkids.
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Look people. Whether you believe it or not I am a highly spiritual person. Yes. many things I post are "off color". Take a look at yourself, I mean none of you any harm. With the posts I make.
The paradigm shift I am referring to is the debasement of "white" patriarichal society. The foundation of this nation. Christian.
There is a concerted effort to demasculinize our culture. Specifically, white male dominated.
I've seen the abuse of that male dominance over and over and over again. Legally, there was very little I could personally do. You know. When I killed that MFer beating me in the head with a club, his wife thanked me for saving her life. Oh, yaw, whatever. I was only trying to save myself. Because after the stupid bitch REFUSED my concerted effort to get her into an abused women's shelter, she, went back for more...
Personally, I am attracted to women. Fer sure one in particular, but my head still turns. And she gets that. She'll point them out so I don't wreck driving down the road to fake the look.
Women are biologically adapted to find the "right" mate.
Men are biologically adapted to mate.
The big push. Androgynous gender equality.
This may be off topic, but in my world , it is not.
Let us get down to the paradigm shift.
How many of you will put a chip in your body to make you equal???
How many of you are going to "let" a robot" take your job?
How many of you are willing to adapt?
I just accepted a part time position working as a project civil engineer from home. They are sending an IT guy to my home next Saturday to set up my computer, VOIP phone and VPN. If that's the kind of adapt you're talking about, I'm all in. A robot will never be able to do my job in my lifetime. I have worked in a male dominated industry for 20 years including internships during college and have never had trouble with any men acting inappropriately other than a couple of construction contractor being a-holes, but it wasn't aimed towards only me.
I feel bad for men in the current climate. Anything y'all do has the potential to be turned into a career ending occurrence by a vindictive woman.
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Yeah........ Frank's not a good influence on her, for sure. ^-^
That's because I am a great influence.
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I just accepted a part time position working as a project civil engineer from home. They are sending an IT guy to my home next Saturday to set up my computer, VOIP phone and VPN. If that's the kind of adapt you're talking about, I'm all in. A robot will never be able to do my job in my lifetime. I have worked in a male dominated industry for 20 years including internships during college and have never had trouble with any men acting inappropriately other than a couple of construction contractor being a-holes, but it wasn't aimed towards only me.
I feel bad for men in the current climate. Anything y'all do has the potential to be turned into a career ending occurrence by a vindictive woman.
I have a quiz for anyone interested. What two specific factors that emerged within our culture and society within the past several decades have contributed the most the the bold portion of the above?
Of course there are many factors that have contributed, but I am thinking of two particular factors.
If you consider each in isolation, you could see an eventual path to that bolded statement. However if you consider them working in tandem, you can see how the path has been inevitable, and may wonder why it has taken as long as it has.
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If you consider each in isolation, you could see an eventual path to that bolded statement. However if you consider them working in tandem, you can see how the path has been inevitable, and may wonder why it has taken as long as it has.
I think I have it........
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DJLDF6qZUX0
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I think I have it........
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DJLDF6qZUX0
LOL! Partially correct, in a weird, tangential YouTube-ish way!
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I have a quiz for anyone interested. What two specific factors that emerged within our culture and society within the past several decades have contributed the most the the bold portion of the above?
Of course there are many factors that have contributed, but I am thinking of two particular factors.
If you consider each in isolation, you could see an eventual path to that bolded statement. However if you consider them working in tandem, you can see how the path has been inevitable, and may wonder why it has taken as long as it has.
Men wearing skinny jeans and sporting a man-bun? Okay, I give up?
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Men wearing skinny jeans and sporting a man-bun?
(https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/q9_4CfLRKg.H7dUdYhFwRw--~B/YXBwaWQ9eWlzZWFyY2g7Zmk9Zml0O2dlPTAwNjYwMDtncz0wMEEzMDA7aD00Njg7dz00MDA-/https://twistedsifter.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/donald-trump-man-bun.jpg?w=513&h=600.cf.jpg)
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(https://s.yimg.com/lo/api/res/1.2/q9_4CfLRKg.H7dUdYhFwRw--~B/YXBwaWQ9eWlzZWFyY2g7Zmk9Zml0O2dlPTAwNjYwMDtncz0wMEEzMDA7aD00Njg7dz00MDA-/https://twistedsifter.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/donald-trump-man-bun.jpg?w=513&h=600.cf.jpg)
:silly:
You know... I’m thinking that’s not a bad look...
(Better than his natural combover)
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I have a quiz for anyone interested. What two specific factors that emerged within our culture and society within the past several decades have contributed the most the the bold portion of the above?
Of course there are many factors that have contributed, but I am thinking of two particular factors.
If you consider each in isolation, you could see an eventual path to that bolded statement. However if you consider them working in tandem, you can see how the path has been inevitable, and may wonder why it has taken as long as it has.
I'd think the large flux of women entering the work force to be one of the ones you're thinking of.
The normalization of divorce and/or single parenthood is probably not one of them, but very well could be.
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Men wearing skinny jeans and sporting a man-bun? Okay, I give up?
Yeah, not so much... especially since I am not sure of how you view man-buns on men. Maybe 5% right for you.
(I will wait until tomorrow to type in my two factors, in case any one else may want to venture a more "serious" guess!)
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:silly:
You know... I’m thinking that’s not a bad look...
(Better than his natural combover)
I think I agree as well, better look that the current!
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I have a quiz for anyone interested. What two specific factors that emerged within our culture and society within the past several decades have contributed the most the the bold portion of the above?
Grandparents out of the picture (moved to FL/AZ to enjoy their retirement
The collapse of the Matriarchy due to Feminism.
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I'd think the large flux of women entering the work force to be one of the ones you're thinking of.
The normalization of divorce and/or single parenthood is probably not one of them, but very well could be.
Not to give it all away now, but you are very close. But, think about more of what the root causes of each of those are. (In a way, the items that you named are each perhaps better viewed as symptoms of an underlying, determinative factor.)
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Grandparents out of the picture (moved to FL/AZ to enjoy their retirement
The collapse of the Matriarchy due to Feminism.
Think about the root causes of those.
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Think about the root causes of those.
Well, the root cause of it all is moral decline, and God driven out of the public square...
If you are looking for the mechanical means, that is accomplished by the destruction of the family and childhood indoctrination in public schools...
No fault divorce,
Women entering the workforce (not as chauvinist as it sounds),
Social contracts enabling federal authority in morals (Social Security, Welfare, Schools and colleges)
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Not to give it all away now, but you are very close. But, think about more of what the root causes of each of those are. (In a way, the items that you named are each perhaps better viewed as symptoms of an underlying, determinative factor.)
Ultimately, I'd say the root causes are turning away from God and His Word and turning towards the state.
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I actually need to clarify. I just realized that in the bold part of the quoted post, there are really three factors using the model that I have in mind. The third factor being the vindictive person that files a false charge against an innocent. So take that one away.
After reading some of the replies to date, I would say that I am thinking of two distinct Level-1 causes, where in the model the Level-0 (ultimate root) cause is indeed, Evil.
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I have a quiz for anyone interested. What two specific factors that emerged within our culture and society within the past several decades have contributed the most the the bold portion of the above?
Of course there are many factors that have contributed, but I am thinking of two particular factors.
If you consider each in isolation, you could see an eventual path to that bolded statement. However if you consider them working in tandem, you can see how the path has been inevitable, and may wonder why it has taken as long as it has.
1. Feminazi's.
2. Gender reidentification, Which includes gay marriage, reasssignment, etc.
The story I told about my wife in the Member's Lounge was a true story.
On another thread I said ALL kingship is derived from "the Divine" right of king ship.
The truth is, the Virgin Birth. Not very men today are going to accept that story. They are not only destroying masculinity, they are destroying that FAITH in GOD.
But here is THAT thing.
The only restraints I try to enforce with my wife are budgetary.
My main point. The paradigm shift, in this country, when the rest of the world are exactly diametrically opposed. Having multiple wives--Islam. Mistresses? The rest of Europeans. The Asians? IF the shoe fits.
If you don't believe me walk out your frot door and take a gander.
The concept of the Constitution, the making of this country, IS STILL devinely inspired.
How many of you out there actually chose your wedding vows, and not only abided it, but LIVE it?
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I have a quiz for anyone interested. What two specific factors that emerged within our culture and society within the past several decades have contributed the most the the bold portion of the above?
Of course there are many factors that have contributed, but I am thinking of two particular factors.
If you consider each in isolation, you could see an eventual path to that bolded statement. However if you consider them working in tandem, you can see how the path has been inevitable, and may wonder why it has taken as long as it has.
@EdJames
1. The rise of cultural Marxism
2. The near complete takeover of public education by the Marxist among us.
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Well, the root cause of it all is moral decline, and God driven out of the public square...
If you are looking for the mechanical means, that is accomplished by the destruction of the family and childhood indoctrination in public schools...
No fault divorce,
Women entering the workforce (not as chauvinist as it sounds),
Social contracts enabling federal authority in morals (Social Security, Welfare, Schools and colleges)
Well, I agree with you on two of those points, but I have to ask, with a touch of sarcasm...... what do you expect single women to do....... starve, or stay at home with their parents until they die? How are they supposed to feed themselves if they don't work?
Do you want no more women doctors, lawyers, teachers, professors, bank tellers, grocery store clerks, sellers of Tupperware or Mary Kay??
They can't all "stay home." They can't all survive without income.
What you said reminds me that when I moved to the town I live in now, the Christian school paid single men more than single women because the men were the "bread winners" of the family.. Never mind that women were equally winning the bread in their own single life.
Your first point is the key. It is the moral decline of the country at fault. It is saying "if it feels good do it" and then being surprised when men do what "feels good" and molest women. It's women who, instead of asking for equal respect, drag themselves into the moral gutter so that they can behave as badly as men. It's having neither gender with the moral fortitude to say no.
It's morals and a degenerating sense of what is good and decent in society.. NOT women working.
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Well, the root cause of it all is moral decline, and God driven out of the public square...
If you are looking for the mechanical means, that is accomplished by the destruction of the family and childhood indoctrination in public schools...
No fault divorce,
Women entering the workforce (not as chauvinist as it sounds),
Social contracts enabling federal authority in morals (Social Security, Welfare, Schools and colleges)
I have cursed feminists for a long time for basically forcing me to work. What would happen to men's salaries if half of the workforce (women) were at home taking care of kids? What would happen to the employment rate if half of the workforce were at home taking care of the kids? There's nothing chauvinist about what you say except that I would massage it a bit to be "Mothers being in the workforce". There should be room for younger women who are not married or women who do not plan on having families
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I have a quiz for anyone interested. What two specific factors that emerged within our culture and society within the past several decades have contributed the most the the bold portion of the above?
Of course there are many factors that have contributed, but I am thinking of two particular factors.
If you consider each in isolation, you could see an eventual path to that bolded statement. However if you consider them working in tandem, you can see how the path has been inevitable, and may wonder why it has taken as long as it has.
Hmm. . .
Well, yoga pants for certain. Even the older women, the kind I eye, are wearing 'em. It's a tough world out there these days for guys.
And then I'd say , as a root cause, no fault divorce. A conservative culture requires a strong institution of marriage. Folks willing to make it work for the long term. The price of recklessness falls, the incidence of recklessness rises. The workplace is where people interact, so that is where recklessness occurs.
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I have cursed feminists for a long time for basically forcing me to work. What would happen to men's salaries if half of the workforce (women) were at home taking care of kids? What would happen to the employment rate if half of the workforce were at home taking care of the kids? There's nothing chauvinist about what you say except that I would massage it a bit to be "Mothers being in the workforce". There should be room for younger women who are not married or women who do not plan on having families
Weird world. Back in the day, when I (we) got married I insisted my wife quit her day job to take care of our kid(s) x 2. so my wife "raised'our kids. Not some daycare I don't give a shit outfit. Financially, it was hard times. Spiritually. WE are satisfied with the way our children are. They both have tats, hang around the wrong people, and other wise do stupid shit. But they don't mean any harm.
Do we regret that? Not a bit.
Take that choice away from my kids?
Die, MFer, DIE.
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Weird world. Back in the day, when I (we) got married I insisted my wife quit her day job to take care of our kid(s) x 2. so my wife "raised'our kids. Not some daycare I don't give a shit outfit. Financially, it was hard times. Spiritually. WE are satisfied with the way our children are. They both have tats, hang around the wrong people, and other wise do stupid shit. But they don't mean any harm.
Do we regret that? Not a bit.
Take that choice away from my kids?
Die, MFer, DIE.
It boils down to the commitment of the parents, to each other, to their shared enterprise, and to their kids. In that order. Daycare works just fine for some. Mrs. Jazz has always worked, and both our kids were in daycare, and they turned to be ethical, responsible and hard-working. I thank God for that more than I thank Him for anything else.
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Weird world. Back in the day, when I (we) got married I insisted my wife quit her day job to take care of our kid(s) x 2. so my wife "raised'our kids. Not some daycare I don't give a shit outfit. Financially, it was hard times. Spiritually. WE are satisfied with the way our children are. They both have tats, hang around the wrong people, and other wise do stupid shit. But they don't mean any harm.
Do we regret that? Not a bit.
Take that choice away from my kids?
Die, MFer, DIE.
My wife never worked outside our home for a single day until our youngest was in school and even then she was at home before they were a fter school. We chose that path and have never regreted doing so for one second.
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Weird world. Back in the day, when I (we) got married I insisted my wife quit her day job to take care of our kid(s) x 2. so my wife "raised'our kids. Not some daycare I don't give a shit outfit. Financially, it was hard times. Spiritually. WE are satisfied with the way our children are. They both have tats, hang around the wrong people, and other wise do stupid shit. But they don't mean any harm.
Do we regret that? Not a bit.
Take that choice away from my kids?
Die, MFer, DIE.
Things have been tight for us since I stopped working after I had our little guy. This part time work will allow me to add some much needed funds back to our budget and still stay home with him and homeschool him.
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Just flat out.
And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
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As much as I enjoy screwing around nothing changes, but it does.
And if you ever hit the point of the unchaneable, go for that.
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Well, I agree with you on two of those points, but I have to ask, with a touch of sarcasm...... what do you expect single women to do....... starve, or stay at home with their parents until they die? How are they supposed to feed themselves if they don't work?
Do you want no more women doctors, lawyers, teachers, professors, bank tellers, grocery store clerks, sellers of Tupperware or Mary Kay??
They can't all "stay home." They can't all survive without income.
What you said reminds me that when I moved to the town I live in now, the Christian school paid single men more than single women because the men were the "bread winners" of the family.. Never mind that women were equally winning the bread in their own single life.
Your first point is the key. It is the moral decline of the country at fault. It is saying "if it feels good do it" and then being surprised when men do what "feels good" and molest women. It's women who, instead of asking for equal respect, drag themselves into the moral gutter so that they can behave as badly as men. It's having neither gender with the moral fortitude to say no.
It's morals and a degenerating sense of what is good and decent in society.. NOT women working.
Like I said, @musiclady , It isn't a chauvinistic thing - Look at @RoosGirl 's post, because she nailed it, dead on.
I have cursed feminists for a long time for basically forcing me to work. What would happen to men's salaries if half of the workforce (women) were at home taking care of kids? What would happen to the employment rate if half of the workforce were at home taking care of the kids? There's nothing chauvinist about what you say except that I would massage it a bit to be "Mothers being in the workforce". There should be room for younger women who are not married or women who do not plan on having families
Absolutely right.
Feminism has not helped women in the least. What it has done is destroy the matriarchal order.
Daycare and latch-key kids, no one at home in the neighborhood, churches go wanting for volunteers, PTA is as much as gone, no more garden-fresh, no more put-up home canning, no more networked mom support, etc.
At least a full generation of women that don't know how to cook, clean, sew, garden.
Home is no longer home, and that is directly and substantially because there is no woman in it.
Things of immeasurable worth have gone away, and all for nothing - The market accommodated twice as many workers by forcing the value of work downward. Now, instead of mamma working a little bit to afford a few nice things that otherwise couldn't be afforded, she's working her ass off full-time, just to make up the difference in bread and butter.
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It boils down to the commitment of the parents, to each other, to their shared enterprise, and to their kids. In that order. Daycare works just fine for some. Mrs. Jazz has always worked, and both our kids were in daycare, and they turned to be ethical, responsible and hard-working. I thank God for that more than I thank Him for anything else.
@Jazzhead, I am glad that your economic situation allowed you too(afflection aberrant) afford the liberalism you afford on us.
Don't take this a hard way. I am a Luddite. Premise that.
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Things have been tight for us since I stopped working after I had our little guy. This part time work will allow me to add some much needed funds back to our budget and still stay home with him and homeschool him.
All I can do is applaud you, darlin. You holler over at that ol man of yours and tell him just how lucky he is. Tell him I said so. :beer:
That kind of commitment is damn hard to find in this day and age, and damn hard to do, what with the neighborhood empty. Used to be if my mom needed to go do something, she'd have grandma over to take care of us, or send us over to one of the neighbor ladies so she could get her stuff done... And we were often the host to most of the neighborhood kids too.
All that is just about gone, and ladies such as yourself are often on their own. Makes it tough. You have my admiration. The hand that rocks the cradle, and all that.
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There is this thing.
I don't know if is Mexican, or Laitno, of His panic. The cultural tendency to promenade their women on a Sunday. I've seen it first hand in the Islamic world,on their terms, and in the "spanish" terms, here in my world.
Display the female people in your world, not as partners, but as proof of your manhood, aka, proof of you being a good provider.
AFAIK, I am doing the things I was taught. And I can't find fault in that. Not compared to the shit other people bring to my door.
It has been said, by other posters. Compared to the or derves.
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All I can do is applaud you, darlin. You holler over at that ol man of yours and tell him just how lucky he is. Tell him I said so. :beer:
That kind of commitment is damn hard to find in this day and age, and damn hard to do, what with the neighborhood empty. Used to be if my mom needed to go do something, she'd have grandma over to take care of us, or send us over to one of the neighbor ladies so she could get her stuff done... And we were often the host to most of the neighborhood kids too.
All that is just about gone, and ladies such as yourself are often on their own. Makes it tough. You have my admiration. The hand that rocks the cradle, and all that.
Thank you @roamer_1 . It is nice to be recognized for doing what I'm doing. And yes, we don't really have a neighborhood to begin with, choosing to live rural, so it can get lonely sometimes, though I am mostly the type to keep to myself. But having backup at certain times would be a real nice thing.
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That's because I am a great influence.
EFF you rlence
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Thank you @roamer_1 . It is nice to be recognized for doing what I'm doing. And yes, we don't really have a neighborhood to begin with, choosing to live rural, so it can get lonely sometimes, though I am mostly the type to keep to myself. But having backup at certain times would be a real nice thing.
But having backup at certain times would be a real nice thing.
Jane you're playing a game called, hard to get by its real name
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Everyone that is here worth saving'
unchangeable
I dare ya
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I double dare ya.
Effing worthless pos
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I'm struggling a bit as one who knows my history, at the idea that women being in the workplace is as problematic as some of you think it is, and thinking you haven't gone back far enough to be logically consistent in your arguments......
Perhaps you should go back far enough to keep women out of college. (Definitely med school, or law school. You don't have to go back far for that). That old college education and realization that there may be more to life than cooking and sewing should be stopped. (I actually know people who think it's more "Christian" to deny their daughters a college education, so why not all of us?)
Then again, maybe we should go back a bit farther and make sure our daughters don't learn to read and write. Now THOSE were the good old days! Martin Luther didn't think women were smart enough to read, so we could go back to him. But I guess he didn't know about Hildegarde of Bingen who preceded him by 400 years or so, and was a brilliant philosopher, scientist, composer, theologian.... all because some dingbat convent taught her to read. :shrug: Women getting out of their "God-given" role.....
Maybe we should blame Jane Austen, the first woman who made her living as an author, or Fanny Mendelssohn, who was as good of a composer as her brother, Felix. Never heard of her? Oh, that's right. She was a woman, and couldn't get her works published because of that. Let's go back, OK?
On the other hand, we could blame the westward expansion for the problem. Those uppity women could shoot game, run the homestead, chop wood, tend the animals while hubby was away, and protect the home from attacks. Made the womenfolk think they were equal. In fact, it just happened to be Wyoming who first gave women the right to vote. Let's blame the problem on the rural west, shall we? Women voting?? Men cooking?? Outrageous!
Just read the stories written by pioneer women. They should all have been stopped from going beyond their "God -given" roles, just let the menfolk do all the hard work, and die if the men weren't around to protect them.
Maybe we should blame letting women participate in sports. All those little girls should be home cooking instead of learning how to throw a ball, kick a goal, score a 3 pointer. Makes them all uppity. (You just need to go back to the early 1960's for that one).
As far as the absence of grandmothers is concerned, @roamer_1 .......... my Mom didn't have grandparents around because they were back in Sweden when her parents came to America. Perhaps the emigration from Europe (or elsewhere) is the problem, and everyone who came to America without their parents, should have stayed home.
OR................. maybe we should go back to Jesus, who absolutely revolutionized the role of women within the Jewish culture..... treated us as equals, respected us...... SHAME on Him for changing women's roles!
Better yet, let's all forget about that Proverbs 31 woman, who was as competent and able in the workplace as she was at home. Looks like we need to go to the beginning of time to get women to do what they're supposed to do. Right???
All this historically accurate sarcasm aside, blaming 20th-21st century (pseudo) feminism and women in the workplace for the ills in society is blaming the symptom for the disease. (Leftists only care about abortion and lesbians. Calling their political ploys "feminism" is just one of their multitudinous lies).
The disease is SIN. Self-centeredness, greed, back-biting, anger, hatred, lack of submission, immorality, and a plethora of other cultural problems. SIN.
There are clearly problems in our culture, but if you blame the symptom and not the disease, all you're doing is spinning your wheels.
Now, I'll go do what women are supposed to do (not this thinking and writing and standing up for oneself that women shouldn't be doing), and decorate some Christmas cookies like a good girl. ^-^
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I'm struggling a bit as one who knows my history, at the idea that women being in the workplace is as problematic as some of you think it is, and thinking you haven't gone back far enough to be logically consistent in your arguments......
Perhaps you should go back far enough to keep women out of college. (Definitely med school, or law school. You don't have to go back far for that). That old college education and realization that there may be more to life than cooking and sewing should be stopped. (I actually know people who think it's more "Christian" to deny their daughters a college education, so why not all of us?)
Then again, maybe we should go back a bit farther and make sure our daughters don't learn to read and write. Now THOSE were the good old days! Martin Luther didn't think women were smart enough to read, so we could go back to him. But I guess he didn't know about Hildegarde of Bingen who preceded him by 400 years or so, and was a brilliant philosopher, scientist, composer, theologian.... all because some dingbat convent taught her to read. :shrug: Women getting out of their "God-given" role.....
Maybe we should blame Jane Austen, the first woman who made her living as an author, or Fanny Mendelssohn, who was as good of a composer as her brother, Felix. Never heard of her? Oh, that's right. She was a woman, and couldn't get her works published because of that. Let's go back, OK?
On the other hand, we could blame the westward expansion for the problem. Those uppity women could shoot game, run the homestead, chop wood, tend the animals while hubby was away, and protect the home from attacks. Made the womenfolk think they were equal. In fact, it just happened to be Wyoming who first gave women the right to vote. Let's blame the problem on the rural west, shall we? Women voting?? Men cooking?? Outrageous!
Just read the stories written by pioneer women. They should all have been stopped from going beyond their "God -given" roles, just let the menfolk do all the hard work, and die if the men weren't around to protect them.
Maybe we should blame letting women participate in sports. All those little girls should be home cooking instead of learning how to throw a ball, kick a goal, score a 3 pointer. Makes them all uppity. (You just need to go back to the early 1960's for that one).
As far as the absence of grandmothers is concerned, @roamer_1 .......... my Mom didn't have grandparents around because they were back in Sweden when her parents came to America. Perhaps the emigration from Europe (or elsewhere) is the problem, and everyone who came to America without their parents, should have stayed home.
OR................. maybe we should go back to Jesus, who absolutely revolutionized the role of women within the Jewish culture..... treated us as equals, respected us...... SHAME on Him for changing women's roles!
Better yet, let's all forget about that Proverbs 31 woman, who was as competent and able in the workplace as she was at home. Looks like we need to go to the beginning of time to get women to do what they're supposed to do. Right???
All this historically accurate sarcasm aside, blaming 20th-21st century (pseudo) feminism and women in the workplace for the ills in society is blaming the symptom for the disease. (Leftists only care about abortion and lesbians. Calling their political ploys "feminism" is just one of their multitudinous lies).
The disease is SIN. Self-centeredness, greed, back-biting, anger, hatred, lack of submission, immorality, and a plethora of other cultural problems. SIN.
There are clearly problems in our culture, but if you blame the symptom and not the disease, all you're doing is spinning your wheels.
Now, I'll go do what women are supposed to do (not this thinking and writing and standing up for oneself that women shouldn't be doing), and decorate some Christmas cookies like a good girl. ^-^
Well done, you have completely misrepresented and misunderstood what I (and I think @roamer_1 but I know he will correct me and add anything that I miss) said and meant. But, if you think it is completely normal and healthy for a woman to give birth and then in 3 months, or less in some cases, be forced to drop that little one off every day for someone else to take care of because she has to go work, please continue. In general, a woman cannot work full time and raise her children at the same time; she either can work in the home and raise the children or she can work outside the home and send the kids off to daycare/school to be raised by someone else.
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Well done, you have completely misrepresented and misunderstood what I (and I think @roamer_1 but I know he will correct me and add anything that I miss) said and meant. But, if you think it is completely normal and healthy for a woman to give birth and then in 3 months, or less in some cases, be forced to drop that little one off every day for someone else to take care of because she has to go work, please continue. In general, a woman cannot work full time and raise her children at the same time; she either can work in the home and raise the children or she can work outside the home and send the kids off to daycare/school to be raised by someone else.
888high58888
It really does boil down to a simple choice doesn't it? Do I want to raise them myself or do I want to let someone else do it for me?
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888high58888
It really does boil down to a simple choice doesn't it? Do I want to raise them myself or do I want to let someone else do it for me?
The unfortunate part is that for many people it is not a choice they can make. They need two incomes to make the mortgage, pay the utilities and put food on the table.
I got married at 28 and it took us almost 10 years to get ourselves in a position to barely afford me staying home, but it's what we both wanted.
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Well done, you have completely misrepresented and misunderstood what I (and I think @roamer_1 but I know he will correct me and add anything that I miss) said and meant. But, if you think it is completely normal and healthy for a woman to give birth and then in 3 months, or less in some cases, be forced to drop that little one off every day for someone else to take care of because she has to go work, please continue. In general, a woman cannot work full time and raise her children at the same time; she either can work in the home and raise the children or she can work outside the home and send the kids off to daycare/school to be raised by someone else.
Hmmm......... did I say anything......... ANYTHING at all.......... about leaving children after birth to go to work?
Nope.
I stayed home with my kids. I raised them. I nurtured them. I didn't want anyone else to do what I could do best.
I oppose leaving ones own children in the care of others.
My post had nothing to do with that.
My point was, there are many people who say "women in the workforce is the problem" without thinking it through.
I backed my argument with history, and wonder how far do people want to go back. Without defensiveness, do people on this forum think that women shouldn't go to college? Should 35 year old single women be in the care and under the control of their fathers? Should women, doing the same work, be paid less?
The problem of women leaving their kids to the care of others is a BIG problem (no movement forces that choice on you. You ALWAYS have the choice to stay home). But that cannot be solved by blaming women in the workforce for the country's ills.
I posted what I did to make people think about the consequences of the rhetoric being spouted about what women should and shouldn't do.
Take it for what it's worth, or leave it alone.
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888high58888
It really does boil down to a simple choice doesn't it? Do I want to raise them myself or do I want to let someone else do it for me?
And that's exactly what I did and why. I had the choice, and I chose to stay home.
And it has nothing to do with the historicity nor accuracy of my post.
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Hmmm......... did I say anything......... ANYTHING at all.......... about leaving children after birth to go to work?
Nope.
I stayed home with my kids. I raised them. I nurtured them. I didn't want anyone else to do what I could do best.
I oppose leaving ones own children in the care of others.
My post had nothing to do with that.
My point was, there are many people who say "women in the workforce is the problem" without thinking it through.
I backed my argument with history, and wonder how far do people want to go back. Without defensiveness, do people on this forum think that women shouldn't go to college? Should 35 year old single women be in the care and under the control of their fathers? Should women, doing the same work, be paid less?
The problem of women leaving their kids to the care of others is a BIG problem (no movement forces that choice on you. You ALWAYS have the choice to stay home). But that cannot be solved by blaming women in the workforce for the country's ills.
I posted what I did to make people think about the consequences of the rhetoric being spouted about what women should and shouldn't do.
Take it for what it's worth, or leave it alone.
Perhaps I misunderstood. You seemed to take issue with what @roamer_1 and I had to say on the subject. Neither of us said anything about women not belonging in the workforce. In fact, I don't recall anyone here saying women don't belong in the workforce, but perhaps I am not remembering correctly.
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And that's exactly what I did and why. I had the choice, and I chose to stay home.
And it has nothing to do with the historicity nor accuracy of my post.
Excellent! You made the right choice IMHO and I don't think I was commenting on your post at all.
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Perhaps I misunderstood. You seemed to take issue with what @roamer_1 and I had to say on the subject. Neither of us said anything about women not belonging in the workforce. In fact, I don't recall anyone here saying women don't belong in the workforce, but perhaps I am not remembering correctly.
I am significantly older than you are, and have been paying attention to the issue, most likely decades longer than you have.
The audience I was addressing is much, much, much larger than any single comment by you or roamer or anyone else on TBR.
Perhaps you can re-read what I said with a broader audience in mind, and keep in mind that many. MANY men have said that women should not vote, should not work outside the "home" without specifying that it's only mothers of young kids who should stay home.
I was not specifically referring to anything you said at all in my post. But if you think that there aren't people out there (both men and women) who think that women should stay home and shut up, you are mistaken. (I was at TOS for more than a decade before I left in 2012. It was widespread there).
The specific reference I made to @roamer_1 had to do with his comment about Grandmothers being around. My Mom's grandmothers stayed in Sweden, and both mine were with the Lord before I was born, and we both somehow learned to cook. (I took home ec sewing and hated it, so I guess I fail the "feminine" test there. ^-^)
The other reference to him (though not personal) was about the strong, amazing women out west, who didn't stay home like good little wives should. They were tough. They were capable. And they worked like crazy and made this country better.
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Excellent! You made the right choice IMHO and I don't think I was commenting on your post at all.
Right. For me it wasn't a difficult choice, but it had long term consequences for me and my career, but for which I have no regrets.
The problem with the "feminazi" movement in the late 20th century was that, as in abortion, they CLAIM women should have the choice to work or stay home with children, but they proceeded to ridicule and abase all of us who CHOSE to stay home.
Fortunately, since I was feisty, I didn't pay any attention to social pressure to work and stayed home and loved it. :laugh:
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I am significantly older than you are, and have been paying attention to the issue, most likely decades longer than you have.
The audience I was addressing is much, much, much larger than any single comment by you or roamer or anyone else on TBR.
Perhaps you can re-read what I said with a broader audience in mind, and keep in mind that many. MANY men have said that women should not vote, should not work outside the "home" without specifying that it's only mothers of young kids who should stay home.
I was not specifically referring to anything you said at all in my post. But if you think that there aren't people out there (both men and women) who think that women should stay home and shut up, you are mistaken. (I was at TOS for more than a decade before I left in 2012. It was widespread there).
The specific reference I made to @roamer_1 had to do with his comment about Grandmothers being around. My Mom's grandmothers stayed in Sweden, and both mine were with the Lord before I was born, and we both somehow learned to cook. (I took home ec sewing and hated it, so I guess I fail the "feminine" test there. ^-^)
The other reference to him (though not personal) was about the strong, amazing women out west, who didn't stay home like good little wives should. They were tough. They were capable. And they worked like crazy and made this country better.
If you want to discuss the ideas that some people in our society have, that's fine. The issue comes up when you start talking about those things with sentences like this:
I'm struggling a bit as one who knows my history, at the idea that women being in the workplace is as problematic as some of you think it is, and thinking you haven't gone back far enough to be logically consistent in your arguments......
This is why it is reasonable for me to think you're talking about people here, because you actually say you're talking about people here.
I have no doubt there are people in our society who believe just as you say, I just had no idea we were talking about other people's opinions
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Right. For me it wasn't a difficult choice, but it had long term consequences for me and my career, but for which I have no regrets.
The problem with the "feminazi" movement in the late 20th century was that, as in abortion, they CLAIM women should have the choice to work or stay home with children, but they proceeded to ridicule and abase all of us who CHOSE to stay home.
Fortunately, since I was feisty, I didn't pay any attention to social pressure to work and stayed home and loved it. :laugh:
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And your life, and those of your children, are much fuller than they otherwise would have been had you made the other choice.
My wife and I struggled mightily because we chose that course as well but have NEVER regretted it for a second. I don't know if young people starting out today even could do what we did and it is truly sad that things have arrived at that juncture!
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Well, that was certainly an hyperbolic reply. and all for nothing.
Look. I don't care a whit for any of that. *NONE*.
What I care about is the things of the Matriarchy, the things historically most dear to the female mind, which are not merely neglected, not just left wanting, but rather, all but gone.
The sheer absurdity of assuming a single sphere of influence where men are in charge and poor women, downtrodden, are chained to the kitchen sink, is so very much bullshit that I nearly didn't reply.
There are two spheres - two entirely different realms. Two wholly different schools of thought. And that is as it should be. The problem is, with women trying to compete in the hall of men's power. inevitably, they cast their own power aside, and their own hall falls into disrepair. The things of women are almost gone. It is not me who disrespects them - I have nothing but the highest praise for the woman's role - and consider it MORE IMPORTANT than the male's - There is nothing more lacking in society today than hearth and home, church and neighborhood. The richness in life that women provide... And our society has grown grim and gray without it, and our children and elders die for the lack of it.
I mourn it's passing, I truly do. You seem to see it as women 'breaking free'. I say that's a damnable lie, and one that women of past generations would have seen right through. You are chasing after shadows.
Now that the two-income family has been set in stone, I can't point to a single woman that I know that wouldn't rather be home with her kids. Not a one. And as a general rule, they are more beset by life, not less. Day care takes away most of their income, and they are still largely left with the cooking and cleaning, since the old man is working overtime, She winds up still chained to that damned old sink, regardless... The difference being that the finer things that used to be the difference, are all left behind. Because there isn't time for the finer things anymore.
And the funny thing is, women have always been part of business. My family is entrepreneurial by its nature, and either the women folk run the old man's business from home, or they have a business of their own on the side... and that has always been their way. What has been gained is incidental. What has been lost... Priceless.
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Hate is the wrong word. It's jealousy and competition surrounding who is best at making men think we're hard to understand.
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That's Volune 1, Birth through Year 1.
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After Lauer, it's time we talk seriously about the culture at NBC
by Becket Adams | Dec 1, 2017, 4:45 PM
Washington Examiner
... NBC’s ethically dubious handling of accusations of sexual misconduct isn’t new. In 1999, for example, the network held its exclusive interview of Juanita Broaddrick, who claims Bill Clinton raped her in the 1970s, until after the president had been acquitted on two articles of impeachment. ...
And as recently as this week, after reports surfaced alleging Lauer harassed subordinates and even sexually assaulted one, both Variety and the New York Times have produced sources claiming NBC executives were aware of their talent’s reportedly monstrous behavior. These same sources also claim NBC brass made no effort to stop it. ... Entire article at Washington Times (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/after-lauer-its-time-we-talk-seriously-about-the-culture-at-nbc/article/2642326)
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That's Volune 1, Birth through Year 1.
Yes! And the fly leaf has a great big WARNING! Rules are subject to change at any moment!
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And your life, and those of your children, are much fuller than they otherwise would have been had you made the other choice.
My wife and I struggled mightily because we chose that course as well but have NEVER regretted it for a second. I don't know if young people starting out today even could do what we did and it is truly sad that things have arrived at that juncture!
That's true. Young people today don't understand sacrifice, and seem to want to start out where their parents ended up. A lot of families gave up the frills in life (considered necessities, but weren't) in order to provide a stable loving home for their children.
I don't think any of us ever regretted that decision.
I might have been a full professor with a PhD, and a conductor of renown, but I took the great gift God gave me in being "Mommy" extremely seriously instead, and the benefits have been boundless.
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That's true. Young people today don't understand sacrifice, and seem to want to start out where their parents ended up. A lot of families gave up the frills in life (considered necessities, but weren't) in order to provide a stable loving home for their children.
I don't think any of us ever regretted that decision.
I might have been a full professor with a PhD, and a conductor of renown, but I took the great gift God gave me in being "Mommy" extremely seriously instead, and the benefits have been boundless.
@Bigun
@musiclady
And will continue to be I suspect.
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@musiclady
Well, that was certainly an hyperbolic reply. and all for nothing.
It wasn't hyperbolic, it was historically accurate sarcasm, and I labeled it as such.
Making a point that you don't really know how far back you want to go to reach the goal you claim to want.
What I care about is the things of the Matriarchy, the things historically most dear to the female mind, which are not merely neglected, not just left wanting, but rather, all but gone.
The sheer absurdity of assuming a single sphere of influence where men are in charge and poor women, downtrodden, are chained to the kitchen sink, is so very much bullshit that I nearly didn't reply.
There are two spheres - two entirely different realms. Two wholly different schools of thought. And that is as it should be. The problem is, with women trying to compete in the hall of men's power. inevitably, they cast their own power aside, and their own hall falls into disrepair. The things of women are almost gone. It is not me who disrespects them - I have nothing but the highest praise for the woman's role - and consider it MORE IMPORTANT than the male's - There is nothing more lacking in society today than hearth and home, church and neighborhood. The richness in life that women provide... And our society has grown grim and gray without it, and our children and elders die for the lack of it.
Again, your idealization of the past doesn't really mesh with the reality of the situation.
btw, my hearth and home are doing great.
I mourn it's passing, I truly do. You seem to see it as women 'breaking free'. I say that's a damnable lie, and one that women of past generations would have seen right through. You are chasing after shadows.
Actually, I am rejoicing that women who were suited to be doctors can be doctors. That women who are gifted in business can now participate in business (as the Proverbs 31 woman did). That women who never marry are not subjected to the will of their fathers (check out Bill Gothard for that), that women without children have the choice to pursue a career rather than sit at home. I didn't "break free" of my maternal role, but I have unmarried and childless friends who ought to have choices, and they didn't used to. In your golden age, being unmarried was a curse and being childless was a shame. I thank God those days are gone.
Now that the two-income family has been set in stone, I can't point to a single woman that I know that wouldn't rather be home with her kids. Not a one. And as a general rule, they are more beset by life, not less. Day care takes away most of their income, and they are still largely left with the cooking and cleaning, since the old man is working overtime, She winds up still chained to that damned old sink, regardless... The difference being that the finer things that used to be the difference, are all left behind. Because there isn't time for the finer things anymore.
And the funny thing is, women have always been part of business. My family is entrepreneurial by its nature, and either the women folk run the old man's business from home, or they have a business of their own on the side... and that has always been their way. What has been gained is incidental. What has been lost... Priceless.
You paint a very dark picture of today's world. I know many, many couples where the woman works and the jobs at home are distributed fairly, and where the couple has a loving, respectful marriage.
I don't think that two incomes are necessary in most cases, if sacrifices are willing to be made. But it is a very short time when children are in need of a full time parent before school begins. The rest of the time, women should be able to work at whatever God has gifted them to do.
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We are talking past each other.
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We are talking past each other.
Yes, we are...... and I suspect that none of us is very far in values from the others.
I think I've made my point here, and will continue to try to balance conversations on similar subjects, since I probably have the minority view here (not a problem with that. Independent thought is my strong suit.).
The leftist extremism and hateful rhetoric has negatively influenced a lot of people when it comes to women's roles, but I truly think there are very few conservatives who don't respect the contributions women bring to the table in all venues.
But back to the subject of the thread.............. I still think Matt Lauer is devoid of character, and I hope he gets his just desserts.
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I hope he gets his just desserts.
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Licorice whips?
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Licorice whips?
I think that's not a whip, but a "flogger." Don't ask me how I know that.
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I think that's not a whip, but a "flogger." Don't ask me how I know that.
Oh we know how.
You've been seeing @RoosGirl when Frank has been passed out in his van out in front of her place:
I can massage that for you.
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Oh we know how.
You've been seeing @RoosGirl when Frank has been passed out in his van out in front of her place:
That's a rather specific flogger, a "Cat O' Nine Tails."
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@musiclady
And will continue to be I suspect.
Indeed, because I am now a Grandma, and can nurture and love my grandson as I did my own kids.
Without the diapers. ^-^
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Indeed, because I am now a Grandma, and can nurture and love my grandson as I did my own kids.
Without the diapers. ^-^
Your job is to spoil the little guy rotten and then give him back to his parents! :laugh:
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One last thought for you, @roamer_1 and then I will leave this alone.....
What your 'schools of thought' and lofty theories with rose colored glasses to the past ignore is what we should all value highly in this country.......... individuality. Just as men can't be all squeezed into a cultural mold, neither can women.... and that is exactly what your theory is trying to do.
Let me share a bit about myself (at personal risk, I might add). When I was a young girl in the 1950's, my friends and I played "house"....... mostly out in the woods where we practically lived. We used to fight over who got to be the Dad because the Mom had to stay home, and the Dad got to go adventuring.
That IS the way it was in the rosy 1950's. Women were restricted. Men were not.
I have always been an adventurer, a competitor, an athlete and a debater. I was born that way. No "movement" made me different from the mold I was supposed to fit in. I was literally told in my late childhood that I had to stop playing baseball because I was a girl and when I grew up I couldn't do those "boy" things. It devastated me, because, aside from music, sports was who I was. I fought the system you advocate to be an individual and to explore.
You may or may not remember that my husband and I took the Lewis and Clark trail all the way to Oregon and back (8,000 miles!), and we hiked and canoed and adventured. A few years back, we hiked to the bottom of the Grand Canyon. Not many of my peers do those kinds of things, but that's who I am, and it doesn't fit in well with sitting at home and knitting afghans.
But in spite of that nature, I think being a Mom was the highest calling I had, and I loved every minute of it, but I absolutely hate to sew, and wouldn't do it if I were paid.
You see, we don't fit into a neat little theoretical mold that you can cite on the Internet.
But I will leave this discussion with some encouragement for you that you don't seem to be aware of. I have many, many friends and family members who are women who absolutely ADORE doing the "women" things you think we all need to do to be the right kind of woman. Lots of them sew and bake and do all kinds of domestic things and love it.
So you see, the world is not lost just because some of us want to be different than you think all of us should be.....
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Your job is to spoil the little guy rotten and then give him back to his parents! :laugh:
I KNOW! :laugh:
He's only 2 1/2 weeks now, but all I've had to do is hold him and sing to him and give him all the warmth and love I have in me.
It's HEAVEN!!
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That's a rather specific flogger, a "Cat O' Nine Tails."
Details.... details.
Your knowledge of specific torture devices is quite impressive.
Do you have your own dungeon?
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We are talking past each other.
@RoosGirl
@musiclady
I've been watching this tread very much, and I love and respect the two of you very, very much. Watching two friends fighting makes me uncomfortable, especially over a simple misunderstanding.
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Details.... details.
Your knowledge of specific torture devices is quite impressive.
Do you have your own dungeon?
LOL. No, I just remember I had to get one of those after taking it off an enemy, after having used my Mace.
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LOL. No, I just remember I had to get one of those after taking it off an enemy, after having used my Mace.
Sounds like quite a story in there.
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@RoosGirl
@musiclady
I've been watching this tread very much, and I love and respect the two of you very, very much. Watching two friends fighting makes me uncomfortable, especially over a simple misunderstanding.
For the record, I haven't been fighting. I've been discussing an issue that's important to me.
No need to get uncomfortable on my account. :beer:
I think we are both mature enough to have a mild disagreement with each other (it's certainly not major) and still get along fine.
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For the record, I haven't been fighting. I've been discussing an issue that's important to me.
No need to get uncomfortable on my account. :beer:
I think we are both mature enough to have a mild disagreement with each other (it's certainly not major) and still get along fine.
Well, it didn't qualify as a "fight," per se, but I could see you were talking past each other...that only because I've known you both many years. I'm still surprise by some of my friends... :shrug:
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Well, it didn't qualify as a "fight," per se, but I could see you were talking past each other...that only because I've known you both many years. I'm still surprise by some of my friends... :shrug:
Not a fight at all, just a discussion. I don't even disagree with @musiclady she is just responding to my comments the long way around and frustrating me for doing so. I ain't a longwinded girl, so I really hate to go off topic.
Now, about that flogger. @Frank Cannon was complaining about his rear end hurting and I was offering a solution. Is there anything so wrong with that? Don't friends, as much as anyone can really be friends with Frank, do that for each other?
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Well, it didn't qualify as a "fight," per se, but I could see you were talking past each other...that only because I've known you both many years. I'm still surprise by some of my friends... :shrug:
I was just saying what I thought like I always do. I respectfully disagree with some of the things others say here, and really, really disagree with some of the things I had to read endlessly on TOS about how women should behave.
I don't think all women accusers should be believed, and I don't think they should be all ignored.
And I don't have any respect for Matt Lauer in either case.
It's pretty much that simple.
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Not a fight at all, just a discussion. I don't even disagree with @musiclady she is just responding to my comments the long way around and frustrating me for doing so. I ain't a longwinded girl, so I really hate to go off topic.
Well, actually, I was responding to multiple comments from multiple people and they all didn't relate to what you had said, so it wasn't as long a way around as it may have seemed.
At any rate, it's all cool. It's all good.
NO problems with anything about @RoosGirl
(Except maybe that Frank guy she hangs around with. :dx1:)
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Well, it didn't qualify as a "fight," per se, but I could see you were talking past each other...that only because I've known you both many years. I'm still surprise by some of my friends... :shrug:
Trying to cool down a cat fight. One of the many reasons I have you on ignore.
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Trying to cool down a cat fight. One of the many reasons I have you on ignore.
This cat don't fight. This cat plays jazz piano. ***cool cat***
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Well, actually, I was responding to multiple comments from multiple people and they all didn't relate to what you had said, so it wasn't as long a way around as it may have seemed.
At any rate, it's all cool. It's all good.
NO problems with anything about @RoosGirl
(Except maybe that Frank guy she hangs around with. :dx1:)
Just a point of correction, he hangs around me, not the other way around.
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Just a point of correction, he hangs around me, not the other way around.
Aha.......... that does make more sense, come to think of it.......
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This cat don't fight. This cat plays jazz piano. ***cool cat***
Right.
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Right.
Yes.
Right. ^-^
I've spent a lot of time on this thread telling people how atypical a female I am. I don't claw. I slug.
Besides which I keep my fingernails very short for piano playing and yard work. ^-^
(And I don't own a fan).
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Hey, if anyone wants to stay on topic, mods won't object.
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Hey, if anyone wants to stay on topic, mods won't object.
I was just stepping in to cool down a cat fight that was brewing. Thought you would appreciate me lending a hand keeping this severely important topic civilized.
Now to get this thread back on topic.....
I wonder if Matt was shoving any of these dildos he was fond of up his ass or was he using them on his rape victims?
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Hey, if anyone wants to stay on topic, mods won't object.
I mentioned Matt Lauer in post #453. :dx1:
(OK....... I'll be good now!)
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I hate it when these threads go off topic. Talking about Matt Lauer locking women in his office is so fascinating I don't know why anyone would want to even talk about anything else.
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I hate it when these threads go off topic. Talking about Matt Lauer locking women in his office is so fascinating I don't know why anyone would want to even talk about anything else.
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NBC to refuse Matt Lauer payout
By Josh Delk - 12/01/17 05:11 PM EST
NBC News will refuse to pay "Today" show host Matt Lauer, fired over sexual misconduct allegations, for the remainder of his contract, the network confirmed to The Hill on Friday.
Lauer "will not be paid past his last day of work," CNN first reported, following a separate report that lawyers representing Lauer were seeking another $30 million from the network.
Attorneys for the former host are pushing for NBC to pay out the remainder of his $20 million per year contract with the popular morning entertainment and news program, which was set to expire in mid-2019.
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http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/362852-nbc-will-not-agree-to-any-payout-for-matt-lauer-report (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/362852-nbc-will-not-agree-to-any-payout-for-matt-lauer-report)
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I hate it when these threads go off topic. Talking about Matt Lauer locking women in his office is so fascinating I don't know why anyone would want to even talk about anything else.
Yup. Sounds kinky.....
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Payday for the lawyers! Let the litigation commence!
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Hey, if anyone wants to stay on topic, mods won't object.
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Now to get this thread back on topic.....
I wonder if Matt was shoving any of these dildos he was fond of up his ass or was he using them on his rape victims?
Oh, no question.
The guy was so liberally uptight, I was certain if he shoved a lump of coal up there, in a few hours he would shit diamonds.
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I hate it when these threads go off topic. Talking about Matt Lauer locking women in his office is so fascinating I don't know why anyone would want to even talk about anything else.
Talking about Matt Lauer in any context is about as fascinating as watching paint dry.
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Merged threads
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Talking about Matt Lauer in any context is about as fascinating as watching paint dry.
Not so sure about that. Watching paint dry can be fun....
(http://museumartpaintings.com/pic/Famous-Nude-Painting-Roses-of-Youth-4082-34653.jpg)
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Damn @Frank Cannon this was a good thread why'd you shut it down bringing up your weird shit about the hardening of mammary glands?
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Matt Lauer and his wife have been living separate lives for years
Mary Kay Linge
New York Post
Dec. 2, 2017No one could understand why the blushing bride had her dashing husband on such a tight leash.
Five weeks after their chic Hamptons wedding in 1998, former model Annette Roque kicked up such a fuss on hearing that Matt Lauer was heading to Florida to cover a space shuttle launch for the “Today†show that NBC staffers had to scramble to get her a set of last-minute press credentials so her husband would never be out of her sight.
“Friends of Lauer’s are stunned that the down-to-earth newsman is suddenly catering to such indulgent whims,†Page Six reported at the time. “Offers one insider: ‘He’s whipped.’â€
But in hindsight, Roque, now 52, simply may have been trying to rein in her new husband’s wandering eye — a problem that, two decades later, would cost him his job. ...
But at the same time, the Hamptons horsey set was whispering about a new addition to the Lauers’ stable. “He bought Annette a $100,000 horse, and we said, ‘Well, Matt must have been caught cheating again,’†a media source told The Post. “Every time he’s caught he buys her a horse.†...
Rest of story (https://pagesix.com/2017/12/02/matt-lauer-and-his-wife-have-been-living-separate-lives-for-years/)
(https://nyppagesix.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/gettyimages-179320329.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=664&h=441&crop=1)
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Matt Lauer’s wife leaves their home amid sex harassment scandal
By Emily Smith
December 1, 2017 | 7:28pMatt Lauer’s long-suffering wife Annette Roque has fled their home and is rumored to have headed back to her native Netherlands amid his sex harassment scandal.
Multiple sources tell Page Six that Dutch-born former model Annette — Lauer’s wife of 20 years — was last seen at their Hamptons home on Wednesday, the day Lauer’s firing was announced.
One Hamptons source told Page Six, “Annette has taken their two younger kids out of school and is believed to have left the US and gone to her family in her native country.†It is believed her mother lives near Amsterdam. ...
More at NY Post (https://pagesix.com/2017/12/01/matt-lauers-wife-leaves-their-home-amid-sex-harassment-scandal/)
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Matt Lauer and his wife have been living separate lives for years
Mary Kay Linge
New York Post
Dec. 2, 2017Rest of story (https://pagesix.com/2017/12/02/matt-lauer-and-his-wife-have-been-living-separate-lives-for-years/)
(https://nyppagesix.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/gettyimages-179320329.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=664&h=441&crop=1)
He thought buying her a horse would "fix" his adultery??
What a cad!
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He thought buying her a horse would "fix" his adultery??
What a cad!
Apparently it did fix the situation, as least as far as she was concerned, for almost 20 years.
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Apologies to all. My little "quiz" seemed to move the discussion way off topic.
Also, apologies for not making it back in time to continue the conversation (I have now read all of the related replies, and find almost all of them to be quite fascinating!).
I will attempt to post a separate thread later in an attempt to continue this intriguing (and valuable, in my opinion) conversation!
All interested are welcome to join it!
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He thought buying her a horse would "fix" his adultery??
What a cad!
Matt's a weird dude, so it's possible she's an equally weird chick. Perhaps on the level of Catherine the Great weird.
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Matt's a weird dude, so it's possible she's an equally weird chick. Perhaps on the level of Catherine the Great weird.
Ick. And, that story apparently isn't true.
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Ick. And, that story apparently isn't true.
Just that it was her cause of death. She was known, however, to spend a lot of time in the stables unaccompanied.
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(https://nyppagesix.files.wordpress.com/2017/12/gettyimages-179320329.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=664&h=441&crop=1)
The couple in happier times, no doubt.
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The couple in happier times, no doubt.
I can see why Matt was rapin' away in his office. Looks like she is twisting a knife in his back in that pic.
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Matt's a weird dude, so it's possible she's an equally weird chick. Perhaps on the level of Catherine the Great weird.
Maybe Matt's into that too. His wife looks like she should have a bit in her mouth guiding carriages around Central Park.
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Maybe Matt's into that too. His wife looks like she should have a bit in her mouth guiding carriages around Central Park.
I thought the horses only reacted violently to Frau Blücher's name. I see Matt's soon to be Ex elicits the same reaction
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I can see why Matt was rapin' away in his office. Looks like she is twisting a knife in his back in that pic.
I don't think you mean what you just said: he doesn't like his wife, so it explains why he rapes other women?
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I don't think you mean what you just said: he doesn't like his wife, so it explains why he rapes other women?
Several tasteless, classless comments. **nononono*
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Several tasteless, classless comments. **nononono*
The thread certainly did take a bad turn. Here's a Christmas Tree I saw turn up in the Smilies...
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I can see why Matt was rapin' away in his office. Looks like she is twisting a knife in his back in that pic.
No excuse for that comment.
It's not funny. It's vile.
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I don't think you mean what you just said: he doesn't like his wife, so it explains why he rapes other women?
Got any better excuses for it?
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No excuse for that comment.
It's not funny. It's vile.
Can you point out anything funny or interesting about Matt Lauer? I'm drawing a blank.
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Why the hell would I want to make excuses for Matt Lauer?
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Can you point out anything funny or interesting about Matt Lauer? I'm drawing a blank.
Excusing rape because you think his wife is unattractive is neither funny nor interesting.
You're still drawing a blank.
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I can see why Matt was ****** away in his office. Looks like she is twisting a knife in his back in that pic.
One does not need to be a female to take exception to that comment, Frank.
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Got any better excuses for it?
Hey dingdong, maybe Matt's an bleep that hates women and enjoys degrading them.
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Excusing rape because you think his wife is unattractive is neither funny nor interesting.
You're still drawing a blank.
Where did I excuse it. I simply stated why I thought he became a criminal.
You may not like my thoughts on the subject. The subject is repugnant all by itself. Personally I don't give a shit if you are entertained, disgusted or any variation of the two about what I said. I stand by my comment.
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Where did I excuse it. I simply stated why I thought he became a criminal.
You may not like my thoughts on the subject. The subject is repugnant all by itself. Personally I don't give a shit if you are entertained, disgusted or any variation of the two about what I said. I stand by my comment.
I think she would have a smile on her face if she had a knife in his back.
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Where did I excuse it. I simply stated why I thought he became a criminal.
You may not like my thoughts on the subject. The subject is repugnant all by itself. Personally I don't give a shit if you are entertained, disgusted or any variation of the two about what I said. I stand by my comment.
As the old saying goes, when you find yourself in a hole, first thing is to stop digging. We all say stupid things on occasion, and this one was a doozy. Put down the shovel, please.
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As the old saying goes, when you find yourself in a hole, first thing is to stop digging. We all say stupid things on occasion, and this one was a doozy. Put down the shovel, please.
Good advice. The hole is getting very deep, but the solution for Frank is simple......
Remove the idiotic and offensive post, so he doesn't look so stupid and crass.
(And if poor Frank thinks it's just me who found it repugnant, he's fooling himself).
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I think she would have a smile on her face if she had a knife in his back.
He may, as well. They look disturbingly similar, IMO.
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He may, as well. They look disturbingly similar, IMO.
Yep, I was kind of thinking that too.
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He may, as well. They look disturbingly similar, IMO.
Lends new meaning to "Bumping Uglies".
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Lends new meaning to "Bumping Uglies".
Or 'go f yourself.'
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Or 'go f yourself.'
Or others....and they did! Well one diddled... and one played horse.
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Or others....and they did! Well one diddled... and one played horse.
You still on Catherine the Great?
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You still on Catherine the Great?
:tree3:
That's what she said.......to Secretariat.
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You still on Catherine the Great?
:tree3:
No, She wouldn't let me put a saddle on her.
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Yall should have the courtesy to ping @Catherine_the_Great if you're gonna discuss her, she has made that unbearably clear.
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Yall should have the courtesy to ping @Catherine_the_Great if you're gonna discuss her, she has made that unbearably clear.
Different Catherine. I'm not messing with @CatherineofAragon these days, I think she's tired of my shit.... :shrug: :chairbang:
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Good advice. The hole is getting very deep, but the solution for Frank is simple......
Remove the idiotic and offensive post, so he doesn't look so stupid and crass.
(And if poor Frank thinks it's just me who found it repugnant, he's fooling himself).
If you and @Sanguine think you're going to be able to guilt @Frank Cannon into doing something he doesn't want to do, y'all are barking up the wrong tree I believe.
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She doesn't suffer Fools well, she made that painfully obvious to me sometime last summer. @Cyber Liberty
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Frank and Guilt, that's a very clever oxymoron @RoosGirl
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If you and @Sanguine think you're going to be able to guilt @Frank Cannon into doing something he doesn't want to do, y'all are barking up the wrong tree I believe.
I don't. I think Frank is a basically decent guy with a quirky sense of humor.
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I don't. I think Frank is a basically decent guy with a quirky sense of humor.
Quirky, I think that's the best word in the world that someone could choose to describe Frank without using some of the words I would use.
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Quirky, I think that's the best word in the world that someone could choose to describe Frank without using some of the words I would use.
I can think of a word for Frank:
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I don't. I think Frank is a basically decent guy with a quirky sense of humor.
He is the salt of the earth. He would give you the shirt off his back and a $50 Gift card to the Golden Corral with $16.32 left on it and a diabetic cat for company. They don't come much better than that.
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I can think of a word for Frank:
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2ce-zC_n8E#)
Oh, he's a reveler in kink for sure.
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Good advice. The hole is getting very deep, but the solution for Frank is simple......
Remove the idiotic and offensive post, so he doesn't look so stupid and crass.
(And if poor Frank thinks it's just me who found it repugnant, he's fooling himself).
First off, I don't own a shovel to dig holes. I have subliterate employees to dig shit for me when and where I want. Secondly as I said previously, I believe that Matt raped women because his wife is an ugly bitch. If you have a more meaningful and sensitive reasons for Matty raping women, I will surely entertain them, but I will not believe it. The reasoning for that is because I generally go by the rule that I am always right and the rest of you folks are tragically wrong. It's a burden I am resigned to carry.
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He is the salt of the earth. He would give you the shirt off his back and a $50 Gift card to the Golden Corral with $16.32 left on it and a diabetic cat for company. They don't come much better than that.
He'd give her the shirt off his back after he made a phone call and was in the process of removing all his clothes. At least tell *all* of the story.
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He is the salt of the earth. He would give you the shirt off his back and a $50 Gift card to the Golden Corral with $16.32 left on it and a diabetic cat for company. They don't come much better than that.
Since it is the Christmas season, I'll also throw in a pair of studded whitewall snow tires that only have 70% tread wear.
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He is the salt of the earth. He would give you the shirt off his back and a $50 Gift card to the Golden Corral with $16.32 left on it and a diabetic cat for company. They don't come much better than that.
So he's a lot like Humblegunner?
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Since it is the Christmas season, I'll also throw in a pair of studded whitewall snow tires that only have 70% tread wear.
See what I mean folks. He is a giver!
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So he's a lot like Humblegunner?
LOL. Well there's a blast from the past.
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So he's a lot like Humblegunner?
From TOS. I don't think he ever posted here. Registered but never posted.
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From TOS. I don't think he ever posted here. Registered but never posted.
I think there are quite a few people here who are "registered".
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From TOS. I don't think he ever posted here. Registered but never posted.
Yeah. I haven't seen him on Bookface lately....wonder where he's been?
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I think there are quite a few people here who are "registered".
How many moore would you guess?
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How many moore would you guess?
LOL. I don't care who you ask, that running gag is funny.
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LOL. I don't care who you ask, that running gag is funny.
You didn't ask me.
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You didn't ask me.
Do you think it is funny?
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Do you think it is funny?
Meh
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Meh
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"Apparently we have a crank call on the line."
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He is the salt of the earth. He would give you the shirt off his back and a $50 Gift card to the Golden Corral with $16.32 left on it and a diabetic cat for company. They don't come much better than that.
I take it you and Frank are roomies.
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I take it you and Frank are roomies.
More like this.....
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Yall should have the courtesy to ping @Catherine_the_Great if you're gonna discuss her, she has made that unbearably clear.
@corbe
Sorry. It was in response to a couple of posters complaining about my lack of a response. It seemed like the obvious solution.
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Different Catherine. I'm not messing with @CatherineofAragon these days, I think she's tired of my shit.... :shrug: :chairbang:
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@Cyber Liberty
Nah, personally I can differ with people without holding a grudge.
I think it’s the reverse. I’m Carrie at the prom now but I’m going to stick around for the hell of it.
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Yep. I totally see the similarities.
(https://nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/spacek-carrie.jpg)
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Obviously, a few people around here think you're grand, but what I wonder is, how many people are driven away from this forum because you don't own a shovel.......
I wonder how many are driven away by someone they perceive as a crashing boor, but are Trump supporters anyway. That’d be rich.
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Locking the topic.