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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: Chosen Daughter on May 24, 2020, 05:13:27 am
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Dershowitz: 'Anti-vaxxers' misusing the Bible
'We all know that the devil can cite scripture to his purposes'
Renowned civil libertarian Alan M. Dershowitz reacted Friday to Bible-citing critics of his contention that the Constitution gives the state the power to forcibly vaccinate citizens to curb an infectious disease.
"Anti-vaxxers are free to cite science, philosophy, law — but do not miscite the Bible or God," he wrote in a column for the Gatestone Institute, where he serves as a senior fellow. "It is irreligious and insults the intelligence of those who have actually studied the Bible by assuming, as many do, that the Bible opposes everything they oppose."
The debate began Sunday when the famed Harvard Law School emeritus professor said in an interview the state has the power to forcibly "plunge a needle into your arm," as WND reported in a story linked by the Drudge Report. On Wednesday, Dershowitz told Fox News' Tucker Carlson that "one can make a plausible argument that nobody should be required to be subject to a dangerous vaccination to help other people." However, emphasizing it's settled as a constitutional issue, morally, he left open the door for forced vaccination, saying he wouldn't require someone to take a vaccine "unless it would prove very, very safe."
https://www.wnd.com/2020/05/dershowitz-anti-vaxxers-misuing-bible/ (https://www.wnd.com/2020/05/dershowitz-anti-vaxxers-misuing-bible/)
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It ain't kosher. End of story.
That's all you need to know from the Bible.
Pig juice, aborted baby juice... Who knows what else.
HELL no.
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Dershowitz is a so called Constitutional Law professor.
Unfortunately, people believe him .. when he is on their side!
I myself believe that he and Judge Nap are idiot partisans when it comes to Constitutional Law!
Both have ruled that the states Emergency Powers Act is constitutional and that the law can Make you take a vacination shot in a time of emergency!
I say .. Bull$#!T ... Just on Religious grounds alone!
But for some examples that I believe make it abundantly clear ...
In Marbury v. Madison (1803) the Supreme Court announced for the first time the principle that a court may declare an act of Congress void if it is inconsistent with the Constitution.
(So if even congress can be overruled on unconstitutional laws ...?)
No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States.
"All laws that are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void."
Marbury v. Madison
Yes, there are people, even on here that will argue the Emergency Powers Act, which a rouge court ruled constitutional.
I and all Americans should simply ignore the ruling because .. Not even the so called Supreme Court should be allowed to trample the constitution!
(http://i.postimg.cc/BZKgQ2SW/GOVERNMENT-POWERS.jpg)
(http://i.postimg.cc/j5G44Shk/GOVERNMENT-POWERS-PART-ONE.jpg)
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It ain't kosher. End of story.
That's all you need to know from the Bible.
Pig juice, aborted baby juice... Who knows what else.
HELL no.
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TRUE. NOTHING in western medicine is prepared according to kosher. I am to KNOW what I am putting in my body. And there are some things that I should not put in my body. I don't know what's in that pill or shot. So thanks anyway, I will stick with God and what he prescribes... FROM the BIBLE.
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"Anti-vaxxers are free to cite science, philosophy, law — but do not miscite the Bible or God,"
https://www.wnd.com/2020/05/dershowitz-anti-vaxxers-misuing-bible/ (https://www.wnd.com/2020/05/dershowitz-anti-vaxxers-misuing-bible/)
The law is adequate enough. It is government that insists on injecting religion into the equation by offering religious exceptions.
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TRUE. NOTHING in western medicine is prepared according to kosher. I am to KNOW what I am putting in my body. And there are some things that I should not put in my body. I don't know what's in that pill or shot. So thanks anyway, I will stick with God and what he prescribes... FROM the BIBLE.
Absolutely. God has given us the natural ingredients to clean living. Spiritual, mentally and physically.
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1. @Chosen Daughter, you have been warned multiple times. Stop with the posts that are irrelevant to a thread's topic. @mystery-ak @Cyber Liberty
2. Others, when you quote an irrelevant post as happened in this thread that makes cleaning up a thread take longer.
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1. @Chosen Daughter, you have been warned multiple times. Stop with the posts that are irrelevant to a thread's topic. @mystery-ak @Cyber Liberty
2. Others, when you quote an irrelevant post as happened in this thread that makes cleaning up a thread take longer.
Ok, I can see that. I didn't really make it clear.
Trump and Dershowitz are in complete agreement. And once the vaccine is ready they will push you to get it. Not sure what the force will be, but Trump has already said as much. Dershowitz is just the mouthpiece to pave the way to make people bad for not wanting it.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-says-military-will-mobilized-deliver-coronavirus-vaccine-end-year-1504024 (https://www.newsweek.com/trump-says-military-will-mobilized-deliver-coronavirus-vaccine-end-year-1504024)
Dershowitz has been a mouthpiece for Trump during impeachment and now to force people to get the vaccine.
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TRUE. NOTHING in western medicine is prepared according to kosher. I am to KNOW what I am putting in my body. And there are some things that I should not put in my body. I don't know what's in that pill or shot. So thanks anyway, I will stick with God and what he prescribes... FROM the BIBLE.
We have been distracted by the 'vaccines cause autism' stuff to forgetting that the compilation of alot of vaccines is questionable.
They definitely put things in them that I don't want in my body just to get immunity, if you can ever have that with a flu virus anyway.
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Ok, I can see that. I didn't really make it clear.
Trump and Dershowitz are in complete agreement. And once the vaccine is ready they will push you to get it. Not sure what the force will be, but Trump has already said as much. Dershowitz is just the mouthpiece to pave the way to make people bad for not wanting it.
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-says-military-will-mobilized-deliver-coronavirus-vaccine-end-year-1504024 (https://www.newsweek.com/trump-says-military-will-mobilized-deliver-coronavirus-vaccine-end-year-1504024)
Dershowitz has been a mouthpiece for Trump during impeachment and now to force people to get the vaccine.
Trump has said vaccines are to be mandatory? Cite please.
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Trump has said vaccines are to be mandatory? Cite please.
Not sure what the force will be, but Trump has already said as much. Meaning, what? What is the military going to do? Trump speak.
Being that Dershowitz has started the anti vaxxer campaign its clear that people will be targeted for their objection.
Read the Newsweek article. Trump said inoculations will be key to getting back to normal life, according to multiple officials. Several of Trumps quotes are clear that there will be force. Massive job.....etc . I have interpreted it, and if you don't interpret it that way it is fine. But that is the trouble with Trump speak. Enough information to infer.
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And once the vaccine is ready they will push you to get it. Not sure what the force will be, but Trump has already said as much.
Show me where Trump said this.
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That has to be one of the most ignorant arguments I have read to date.
I still believe peoples reluctance to vaccines is last of confidence in the system/government.
I want 100% guarantee that it will, first do no harm, and secondly, do what it is supposed to do.
There are simply to many unexplained allergies, disorders and syndromes popping up in our society.
Growing up I never heard of peanut allergies but now it seems as every kid around has it.
Rushing approval processes do neither.
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Not sure what the force will be, but Trump has already said as much. Meaning, what? What is the military going to do? Trump speak.
Being that Dershowitz has started the anti vaxxer campaign its clear that people will be targeted for their objection.
Read the Newsweek article. Trump said inoculations will be key to getting back to normal life, according to multiple officials. Several of Trumps quotes are clear that there will be force. Massive job.....etc . I have interpreted it, and if you don't interpret it that way it is fine. But that is the trouble with Trump speak. Enough information to infer.
They are only clear your fevered, anti-Trump mind of paranoid speculation and delusions.
Trump has been pretty even handed so far, why should he be any different from here?
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Trump downplays the need for coronavirus vaccine: ‘It’ll go away at some point’
Kevin Breuninger, Berkeley Lovelace Jr. | May 15 20201:10 PM EDT | Updated Fri, May 15 20204:01 PM EDT
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/15/trump-downplays-need-for-coronavirus-vaccine-itll-go-away-at-some-point.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/15/trump-downplays-need-for-coronavirus-vaccine-itll-go-away-at-some-point.html)
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That has to be one of the most ignorant arguments I have read to date.
I still believe peoples reluctance to vaccines is last of confidence in the system/government.
I want 100% guarantee that it will, first do no harm, and secondly, do what it is supposed to do.
There are simply to many unexplained allergies, disorders and syndromes popping up in our society.
Growing up I never heard of peanut allergies but now it seems as every kid around has it.
Rushing approval processes do neither.
How long to wait? Vacinnes have been widely used worldwide, for diseases that once killed hundreds of millions.
DPT-Polio being some.
Who here thinks it is God's will to try to help those that suffer?
Who think it is God's will to just let them suffer and die?
In the US in the 1890s Diptheria sufferers, gargled kerosene, before they died.
In the US Polio sufferers were crippled for life.
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Trump downplays the need for coronavirus vaccine: ‘It’ll go away at some point’
Kevin Breuninger, Berkeley Lovelace Jr. | May 15 20201:10 PM EDT | Updated Fri, May 15 20204:01 PM EDT
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/15/trump-downplays-need-for-coronavirus-vaccine-itll-go-away-at-some-point.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/15/trump-downplays-need-for-coronavirus-vaccine-itll-go-away-at-some-point.html)
Is your head spinning? That's clearly unstable thinking. One day he is talking about military mobilization and literally the next day saying it will go away on its own.
I don't believe a thing he says. Maybe he was told that he shouldn't spill the beans too soon and cause massive fear reaction.
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How long to wait? Vacinnes have been widely used worldwide, for diseases that once killed hundreds of millions.
DPT-Polio being some.
Who here thinks it is God's will to try to help those that suffer?
Who think it is God's will to just let them suffer and die?
In the US in the 1890s Diptheria sufferers, gargled kerosene, before they died.
In the US Polio sufferers were crippled for life.
And I will not care one bit if you get the vaccine yourself. Then you may not consider drinking Clorox Bleach. Nor will you have to take the combo drug just in case.
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That has to be one of the most ignorant arguments I have read to date.
I still believe peoples reluctance to vaccines is last of confidence in the system/government.
I want 100% guarantee that it will, first do no harm, and secondly, do what it is supposed to do.
There are simply to many unexplained allergies, disorders and syndromes popping up in our society.
Growing up I never heard of peanut allergies but now it seems as every kid around has it.
Rushing approval processes do neither.
There are no 100% guarantees in life other than people will eventually die. IMHO, (and taking the flu virus as an example) there isn't going to be a cure-all vaccine for this virus as there are over 30 strains. Each year a vaccine is made to protect people from the flu. That vaccine is hit or miss based on what strain of the flu they think is going to strike that year.
Several reports have come out that the chloronique+zinc+z pack combo has saved lives. Some reports say remedisvir has saved lives. Other reports contradict both drugs.
You are absolutely correct rushing the approval of a vaccine is a gamble.
Also, the CDC just came out with a report that the death rate is much much lower than originally thought. So ... I'm in no hurry to have myself injected with a vaccine for this virus.
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We have been distracted by the 'vaccines cause autism' stuff to forgetting that the compilation of alot of vaccines is questionable.
They definitely put things in them that I don't want in my body just to get immunity, if you can ever have that with a flu virus anyway.
That's right
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Is your head spinning? That's clearly unstable thinking. One day he is talking about military mobilization and literally the next day saying it will go away on its own.
I don't believe a thing he says. Maybe he was told that he shouldn't spill the beans too soon and cause massive fear reaction.
@Chosen Daughter you've brought up this point before. There is a contrast in what he has stated, but in looking logically at what he said, it seems that IF and WHEN a vaccine is available he would use the military to expedite the administration of the vaccine. The virus could very well go away on its own eventually, but no one knows if it will fade away in a month, six months, a year ... so in the meantime they are working on a vaccine. As for the vaccine no one knows if they will find a successful vaccine tomorrow, six months from now or in a year. We've never dealt with a pandemic and we have a multitude of people working on a solution; all with many different opinions.
Again, I give this President a lot of credit for handling things as expeditiously as he has.
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That has to be one of the most ignorant arguments I have read to date.
I still believe peoples reluctance to vaccines is last of confidence in the system/government.
Well no, that in part, but also a lack of confidence in modern medicine, if you want to call it that.
I want 100% guarantee that it will, first do no harm, and secondly, do what it is supposed to do.
According to which decider? Who is believable?
There are simply to many unexplained allergies, disorders and syndromes popping up in our society.
Growing up I never heard of peanut allergies but now it seems as every kid around has it.
Rushing approval processes do neither.
FAR more than in our childhood. I recall one sickly boy in my youth... probably allergies. I recall one peanut allergy from my teens... very rare. Now everybody has an allergy.
Something ain't right.
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Is your head spinning? That's clearly unstable thinking. One day he is talking about military mobilization and literally the next day saying it will go away on its own.
I don't believe a thing he says. Maybe he was told that he shouldn't spill the beans too soon and cause massive fear reaction.
@Chosen Daughter
Still waiting. Show me the statement where Trump indicated he would force us to get the vaccine.
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We have been distracted by the 'vaccines cause autism' stuff to forgetting that the compilation of alot of vaccines is questionable.
They definitely put things in them that I don't want in my body just to get immunity, if you can ever have that with a flu virus anyway.
The simple step of eliminating mercury from vaccines would go a long way towards restoring trust. However, vaccine makers seem hell-bent and determined to continue using mercury just to support the conventional vaccine narrative that mercury is safe.
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Well no, that in part, but also a lack of confidence in modern medicine, if you want to call it that.
According to which decider? Who is believable?
FAR more than in our childhood. I recall one sickly boy in my youth... probably allergies. I recall one peanut allergy from my teens... very rare. Now everybody has an allergy.
Something ain't right.
Something ain't right is correct. IMHO there are too many 'scientists', 'doctors' etc. today that insist on putting a label on our children ... if your child is shy ... they must be autistic .... if your child misbehaves .... they must have ADHD .... if they don't like reading, they must be a slow learner, etc., .... the treatment -- DRUGS and more DRUGS!!! How about we let our children be children instead of trying to make sure they fit the 'normal standards' .... a child must start talking by a certain age, walking by a certain age, make sure they have a set vocabulary by a certain age. In my books it's a lot of crap. Let children be children and stop trying to put them into categories and mainstream them all and most of them will be just fine!
A doctor told my daughter-in-law that my grandson was too fat (at age 18 mos.) and to stop giving him fruit juice. She felt she had really done something wrong .... I told her that the doctor was being ridiculous and if she wanted to give him juice, go ahead. He's now a very lean teenager!
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Something ain't right is correct. IMHO there are too many 'scientists', 'doctors' etc. today that insist on putting a label on our children ... if your child is shy ... they must be autistic .... if your child misbehaves .... they must have ADHD .... if they don't like reading, they must be a slow learner, etc., .... the treatment -- DRUGS and more DRUGS!!! How about we let our children be children instead of trying to make sure they fit the 'normal standards' .... a child must start talking by a certain age, walking by a certain age, make sure they have a set vocabulary by a certain age. In my books it's a lot of crap. Let children be children and stop trying to put them into categories and mainstream them all and most of them will be just fine!
A doctor told my daughter-in-law that my grandson was too fat (at age 18 mos.) and to stop giving him fruit juice. She felt she had really done something wrong .... I told her that the doctor was being ridiculous and if she wanted to give him juice, go ahead. He's now a very lean teenager!
All that and more... We are eating poison. Go back to real food cooked in cast iron or stainless steel and most of these problems will vanish. Throw off the soda pop and hot pockets.
Eat real food grown in the ground, and harvest it yourself so you know. Can it yourself so you know. Fresh milk right out of a cow. Fresh meat right off the farm... So you know.
I swear the worst thing to ever happen to us was women entering the workforce. If they had the time to see it they would be back in that garden plot in a second, what with what they are feeding their children now.
And there is a grand design. Why do you think medical has grown so? By leaps and bounds? Making illnesses on one side, and maintaining them on the other... Not healing. There's the money is in maintenance.
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Is it too late to point out Dersh doesn't even believe in a third of the Bible he claims to have sole translation of, and he sounds silly attacking others for believing?
Just wandering.
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I wonder how people feel about "Convalescent Plasma Therapy?
A realistic treatment for this virus, by transfusing plasma with antibodies from another covid19 patient
https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/convalescent-plasma-therapy/about/pac-20486440 (https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/convalescent-plasma-therapy/about/pac-20486440)
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All that and more... We are eating poison. Go back to real food cooked in cast iron or stainless steel and most of these problems will vanish. Throw off the soda pop and hot pockets.
Eat real food grown in the ground, and harvest it yourself so you know. Can it yourself so you know. Fresh milk right out of a cow. Fresh meat right off the farm... So you know.
I swear the worst thing to ever happen to us was women entering the workforce. If they had the time to see it they would be back in that garden plot in a second, what with what they are feeding their children now.
And there is a grand design. Why do you think medical has grown so? By leaps and bounds? Making illnesses on one side, and maintaining them on the other... Not healing. There's the money is in maintenance.
Amen and Amen!!! Women entered the workforce...look what happened ... corporations and companies took extreme advantage of the two wage earner families....now just about everyone has to have 2+ cars, boats, RV's, a TV with gaming systems in every room, bigger houses than their neighbors, an expensive vacation every year, huge birthday parties for the kids, designer clothing, designer fingernails, and the liberal schools babysit our kids and and impose their liberal values on our kids. Heck, you don't dare send your child to school with a lunch from home! Now it takes for the most part two wage earners in the family to survive. Take a look at what just happened ... those women who have no one to watch their kids because schools are shut down ... don't have to go back to work if their place of business opens, they can continue to collect unemployment. What's wrong with this whole picture??
As for medications; some can serve their purpose, but most cause side effects that require medications to offset those side effects and that medication creates more side effects. So much for the FDA. Now that there's a virus ... they want to inject all of us with some vaccine that may or may not be effective for the 30 strains.
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I wonder how people feel about "Convalescent Plasma Therapy?
A realistic treatment for this virus, by transfusing plasma with antibodies from another covid19 patient
https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/convalescent-plasma-therapy/about/pac-20486440 (https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/convalescent-plasma-therapy/about/pac-20486440)
"Convalescent Plasma Therapy" is an opportunity to donate your blood, to help another person.