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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: Chosen Daughter on May 28, 2019, 05:43:45 am
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Republican Rep. Adam Kinzinger Chastizes Trump For Chiding Biden & Praising A Dictator
Republican Congressman Adam Kinzinger of Illinois called out Donald Trump for attacking Vice President Joe Biden and praising North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un.
The Daily Mail says that Kinzinger, an Air Force veteran was particularly irked that Trump was speaking negatively about an American politician while overseas on Memorial Day Weekend. Kinzinger seemed gobsmacked that this was really happening.
“It’s Memorial Day Weekend and you’re taking a shot at Biden while praising a dictator. This is just plain wrong.â€
The Illinois Rep. also retweeted Trump’s tweet which called the North Korean dictator “chairman†but simply called Vice President Biden, Joe. This isn’t the first time that Kinzinger made it clear he didn’t agree with Trump as he refused to back him in the last election stating that he is “an American before I am a Republican.â€
https://news1.11ustudio.com/2019/05/27/republican-rep-adam-kinzinger-chastizes-trump-for-chiding-biden-praising-a-dictator/ (https://news1.11ustudio.com/2019/05/27/republican-rep-adam-kinzinger-chastizes-trump-for-chiding-biden-praising-a-dictator/)
Rep. Adam Kinzinger is Veteran and Conservative.
http://www.ontheissues.org/IL/Adam_Kinzinger.htm (http://www.ontheissues.org/IL/Adam_Kinzinger.htm)
I agree with him. Trump would be better off keeping his mouth shut. Because when he opens it stupid comes out.
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Uh-oh. Another "enemy of the state" for Trump supporters.
And yes, he's right.
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Criticizing President Trump from within the GOP is getting more popular.
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As if Democrats don't routinely speak better of foreign leaders than they do the current President....
I have no issue at all with being disrespectful/condescending/insulting to Biden. He doesn't deserve anything better, and Memorial Day has absolutely nothing to do with that.
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As if Democrats don't routinely speak better of foreign leaders than they do the current President....
I have no issue at all with being disrespectful/condescending/insulting to Biden. He doesn't deserve anything better, and Memorial Day has absolutely nothing to do with that.
But I've never heard any president -- Republican or Democrat -- praise enemies of the free world, while at the same ignoring the concerns of our allies and disrespecting them. Japan has some real concerns about Kim. The madman could at any time point his missiles at Japan and wipe that country off the face of the earth. But Trump is saying, don't worry because he trusts Kim? Really?
And as for his insults of Biden -- they are at about the level of a 12-year old. Childish. Instead of spending his time and energy calling his potential opponent names, why is he not tackling some real grownup issues as a real president should?
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But I've never heard any president -- Republican or Democrat -- praise enemies of the free world, while at the same ignoring the concerns of our allies and disrespecting them. Japan has some real concerns about Kim. The madman could at any time point his missiles at Japan and wipe that country off the face of the earth. But Trump is saying, don't worry because he trusts Kim? Really?
We have absolutely no idea what he says about Kim behind closed doors to the Japanese. What he is saying now publicly about Kim is part of a negotiating posture because we want something from Kim, who is incredibly thin-skinned and emotional. It costs us absolutely nothing to say nice things about him in public while trying to negotiate a deal that is good for the U.S.. I've sat there and told a plaintiff who I thought was a whiny loser that "I understood why you feel the way you do...blah blah blah" and similar B.S. I did not believe for a moment simply to try to get a signature on a deal. Pointless antagonism accomplishes nothing when the goal is to get a deal.
And as for his insults of Biden -- they are at about the level of a 12-year old. Childish. Instead of spending his time and energy calling his potential opponent names, why is he not tackling some real grownup issues as a real president should?
Exactly how much time and energy do you think it took Trump to type out that tweet, and exactly what else of substance do you expect he could have accomplished in that blink of an eye instead?
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We have absolutely no idea what he says about Kim behind closed doors to the Japanese. What he is saying now publicly about Kim is part of a negotiating posture because we want something from Kim, who is incredibly thin-skinned and emotional. It costs us absolutely nothing to say nice things about him in public while trying to negotiate a deal that is good for the U.S.. I've sat there and told a plaintiff who I thought was a whiny loser that "I understood why you feel the way you do...blah blah blah" and similar B.S. I did not believe for a moment simply to try to get a signature on a deal. Pointless antagonism accomplishes nothing when the goal is to get a deal.
Exactly how much time and energy do you think it took Trump to type out that tweet, and exactly what else of substance do you expect he could have accomplished in that blink of an eye instead?
I totally agree. The alternatives here are war, maybe NK putting some nuke material on a warhead. I'd be more concerned with the Presidents who allowed if not enabled NK's nuclear program to get this far. They kicked the can down the road, now, others have to try to fix the problem.
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I'd be more concerned with the Presidents who allowed if not enabled NK's nuclear program to get this far. They kicked the can down the road, now, others have to try to fix the problem.
Exactly. I'm simply amazed by the focus on Trump's tone, when the reality is that he is attempting to solve nuclear issues in North Korea and Iran that prior Presidents completely screwed up. But of course, his predecessors always said the right things publicly, so the substance of what they did didn't really matter. Much more important to sound diplomatic, and to follow the traditional diplomatic forms. That way, nobody can really blame you when you fail because you can simply point to the fact that what you said was perfectly within accepted norms.
And to reiterate the point about Biden...I have absolutely zero problem with whatever Trump wants to say about any of them.
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Criticizing President Trump from within the GOP is getting more popular.
It's the only way to get positive attention these days. If you want to sit with the cool kids, you have to pay for the privilege.
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The Daily Mail says that Kinzinger, an Air Force veteran was particularly irked that Trump was speaking negatively about an American politician while overseas on Memorial Day Weekend. Kinzinger seemed gobsmacked that this was really happening.
Did the good Congressman have trouble when the Rats went into overdrive criticizing Trump when he was out of the country? That he was "gobsmacked" tells me he's developmentally challenged.
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Rep. Adam Kinzinger is Veteran and Conservative.
Whoever wrote this article must be an ESL student somewhere.
He's "Conservative" is he?
Not so fast...
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https://www.conservativereview.com/scorecard/adam-kinzinger/ (https://www.conservativereview.com/scorecard/adam-kinzinger/)
This chump has been wrong on every issue since he got elected and started running his mouth...
And what is his problem with this in terms of Memorial Day Weekend? Did Biden die fighting a war that I didn't hear about?
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@Maj. Bill Martin
...What he is saying now publicly about Kim is part of a negotiating posture ...
You really believe that? Just what has his "negotiating posture" accomplished, other than Kim continuing with his nukes and laughing at Trump's stupidity the whole time?
No, it's not a "negotiating tactic." Trump loves these dictators and wishes he could be just like them. Why do you think he talks so much about curbing freedom of the press and freedom of speech? He likes the way Kim, Putin and other have absolute power.
Exactly how much time and energy do you think it took Trump to type out that tweet, and exactly what else of substance do you expect he could have accomplished in that blink of an eye instead?
It's not just one tweet. It's all the others he has sent about Biden and everyone else he doesn't like. They are stupid, ignorant, childish and accomplish nothing except to tell his fans which people to hate. Meanwhile, we still have Obamacare, we still have a massive invasion of illegals and alleged "refugees," tax reform was nothing more than a tax tweak that benefitted few and for some, resulted in a tax increase, etc. etc. He had a golden opportunity when Republicans controlled both houses of congress and the presidency and on nearly all of his promises, he accomplished squat. And don't tell me it's the Republicans' fault or the Democrats' fault or the fault of whoever the scapegoat du jour is today. As president, Trump could have accomplished a helluva lot more if he stopped wasting his time on Twitter, going on his rock star tours, watching tv and all the other stupid [bleep] he has done the whole time he has been president.
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Biden is un-American. I know some of us would like to think otherwise. "He's got some problems, but he's our un-American" or something like that.
It was a stupid tweet from Trump, and I would rather that he would never have done that, but it's awfully hard to defend Biden in any respect.
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It was another in a long line of unnecessary tweets from the president, but I didn't read it as praising Li'l Kim.
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It was another in a long line of unnecessary tweets from the president, but I didn't read it as praising Li'l Kim.
Sounded to me like the kind of thing Never Trumpers (it's bi-partisan) like to "trump" up.
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@Maj. Bill Martin
You really believe that? Just what has his "negotiating posture" accomplished, other than Kim continuing with his nukes and laughing at Trump's stupidity the whole time?
1) Yes, I really believe that, 2) It is an ongoing negotiation so it is not yet over one way or the other, and the NK's have eliminated flight tests of long-distance missiles since Trump started.
Trump loves these dictators and wishes he could be just like them.
Thanks for letting me know there is no point trying to have a decent discussion with you on this.
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People speak their mind, that's America. I read Kinzinger's wiki bio, not bad.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Kinzinger
"In 2006, the Wisconsin Red Cross named Kinzinger "Hero of the Year" for wrestling a knife-wielding man to the ground and disarming him. The man had cut the throat of a woman on a street in downtown Milwaukee, Wisconsin.[42] Recalling the event in an interview, Kinzinger said "The whole time it was, to me, kind of a done deal that I was going to get stabbed in the process, but I knew that this wasn't something I could wake up to ... everyday with that memory that I watched her die."[43] The woman survived. For this act Kinzinger also received the United States Air Force Airman's Medal and the National Guard's Valley Forge Cross for Heroism.[44]"
Read that!
35% Conservative Review rating which is pretty bad. Orrin Hatch, others got those kinds of marks too. Not sure about Mitt so far.
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Sounded to me like the kind of thing Never Trumpers (it's bi-partisan) like to "trump" up.
Those same people like to watch The View on ABC.
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People speak their mind, that's America. I read Kinzinger's wiki bio, not bad.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Kinzinger
"In 2006, the Wisconsin Red Cross named Kinzinger "Hero of the Year" for wrestling a knife-wielding man to the ground and disarming him. The man had cut the throat of a woman on a street in downtown Milwaukee, Wisconsin.[42] Recalling the event in an interview, Kinzinger said "The whole time it was, to me, kind of a done deal that I was going to get stabbed in the process, but I knew that this wasn't something I could wake up to ... everyday with that memory that I watched her die."[43] The woman survived. For this act Kinzinger also received the United States Air Force Airman's Medal and the National Guard's Valley Forge Cross for Heroism.[44]"
Read that!
35% Conservative Review rating which is pretty bad. Orrin Hatch, others got those kinds of marks too. Not sure about Mitt so far.
Whateverr percentage you want to give him he is Conservative in my book. I have looked at his on the record and couldn't find anything I don't agree with. He's a Veteran who served his country. I think he has a right to say Presidents should not be entertaining any dictators opinion on our government or politicians. It isn't Kims business. I don't like Biden, but he's a saint compared to Kim. If Trump wants to check out what has been done in NK by his family he would know that Kim Jun Ung doesn't have any right to criticize anyone. Talking about Americans to dictators like that should be off limits.
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Whateverr percentage you want to give him he is Conservative in my book. I have looked at his on the record and couldn't find anything I don't agree with. He's a Veteran who served his country. I think he has a right to say Presidents should not be entertaining any dictators opinion on our government or politicians. It isn't Kims business. I don't like Biden, but he's a saint compared to Kim. If Trump wants to check out what has been done in NK by his family he would know that Kim Jun Ung doesn't have any right to criticize anyone. Talking about Americans to dictators like that should be off limits.
His record is anything but conservative:
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Adam Kinzinger
Rep.
Adam Kinzinger
(IL)-R
| In Office Since 2011
Liberty Score®
F
29%
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Conservative:
29.0%
Liberal:
71.0%
Conservative Votes 14
Liberal Votes 35
Missed Votes 1
Liberty Score® 29%
Records as of: 05-28-2019
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Conservative Review’s Liberty Score® grades members of Congress on the top 50 votes over a rolling six-year term. A letter grade is assigned to each member to help you quickly determine whether a lawmaker is supporting conservative principles. The Liberty Score® helps evaluate your representatives and senators, providing the tools necessary to separate rhetoric from reality. We don’t expect any elected officials to be perfect, but we do expect them to keep promises.
Liberty Score Votes
Date of Vote Vote CR Position Member Vote
04/04/2019 Reauthorize Violence Against Women Act with gun control and transgender add-ons
03/08/2019 Pass an unconstitutional bill that will encourage voter fraud
02/27/2019 Mandate universal background checks for gun purchases
02/15/2019 Surrender on the border wall; empower drug cartels and human traffickers -
01/11/2019 Reduce accountability in Congress by making federal pay mandatory spending
12/20/2018 Release dangerous criminals from federal prisons
12/12/2018 Squash debate on US involvement in a foreign war
12/12/2018 Pass a $900 billion farm bill with socialist policies
11/28/2018 Pass a bill that will lead to continued nation-building
09/26/2018 Pass a promise-breaking cromnibus before the election
07/25/2018 Extend a broken and almost-insolvent flood insurance program
06/27/2018 Pass amnesty with citizenship for 1.8 million illegal immigrants
03/22/2018 Advance a massive $1.3 trillion omnibus that funds Democrat priorities
03/22/2018 Pass a massive $1.3 trillion omnibus that funds Democrat priorities
02/09/2018 Vote Alert: Massive Spending, Debt Ceiling Raise, and Democrat Priorities Funded
01/11/2018 Vote Alert: Stop Unconstitutional Abuse of Americans’ Privacy
12/21/2017 Increase Spending by $81 Billion
12/20/2017 Tax Cut for America
10/12/2017 Bailout Flood Insurance Program & Spend $36.5B
10/03/2017 Ban Abortions After 20 Weeks (Point of Pain)
09/08/2017 Cut $10 Million from the EPA
09/08/2017 The Pelosi-Schumer-Trump debt limit deal
09/07/2017 Stop Subsidizing Airline Tickets
07/13/2017 Stop Government-Funded Sex Changes in the Military
06/29/2017 Defund Sanctuary Cities
06/29/2017 Pass Kate's Law
06/13/2017 Make the Department of Veterans Affairs Accountable
06/08/2017 Support the Financial CHOICE Act
05/03/2017 $1.1 Trillion Spending Bill for Democrat Priorties
01/06/2017 Restore Congress' ability to stop burdensome regulations
12/06/2016 Block Impeachment of IRS Commissioner
09/29/2016 Fund Obama Priorities and Give Planned Parenthood a Raise
06/09/2016 Support Bailing Out Puerto Rico
05/19/2016 Support Obama Transgender Agenda
12/18/2015 $1.1 Trillion Budget Busting Spending Bill
12/03/2015 Expand Federal Control of Education
12/03/2015 1,300 Page $305 billion Highway Bailout Bill
10/28/2015 Raise Debt by $1.5 Trillion and Increase Spending
09/30/2015 Fund Planned Parenthood and President Obama's Priorities
07/28/2015 REINs Act
06/18/2015 Obamatrade -- Fast Track Authority for TPP
03/26/2015 $500 Billion Healthcare Bill
03/03/2015 Kill Funding for Obama's Executive Amnesty
01/09/2015 Approve the Keystone XL Pipeline
01/06/2015 Remove John Boehner from Speaker of the House
12/11/2014 $1.1 Trillion Spending Bill that Funds Executive Amnesty
09/17/2014 Extend Ex-Im and set up Lame Duck
08/01/2014 Freeze Obama DACA Program
04/10/2014 RSC Back to Basics Budget
02/11/2014 Suspend the Debt Limit
The graphics didn't come across. But, if you go to https://www.conservativereview.com/scorecard/adam-kinzinger/ (https://www.conservativereview.com/scorecard/adam-kinzinger/) you can see why he has an abysmal conservative rating. He's not a conservative, even if he dislikes Trump.
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Biden is un-American. I know some of us would like to think otherwise. "He's got some problems, but he's our un-American" or something like that.
It was a stupid tweet from Trump, and I would rather that he would never have done that, but it's awfully hard to defend Biden in any respect.
Reminds me of the age old dilemma, "you're in a boat on a river of urine and feces, and a bucket of pus is thrown at you. Should you jump?"
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Picture yourself in a Boat on a River ~ Lennon (John)
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Picture yourself in a Boat on a River ~ Lennon (John)
That must be why you spend so much time on that river by your house....
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I always have Live Bait.
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That must be why you spend so much time on that river by your house....
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The dude lives in a van down by the river.
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Exactly what is the praise that Trump gave Kim?
Cannot see it.
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Again, Today, I had to reiterate the fact upon my Trumper Maw, that 'two wrongs don't make a right' when we discussed this very issue this afternoon.
Raising Trumpers is such a hassle these days.
*She has all her facilities.
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His record is anything but conservative:
The graphics didn't come across. But, if you go to https://www.conservativereview.com/scorecard/adam-kinzinger/ (https://www.conservativereview.com/scorecard/adam-kinzinger/) you can see why he has an abysmal conservative rating. He's not a conservative, even if he dislikes Trump.
I have to admit I went back to the on the issues voting record and that is an old voting record. At the time they placed him at Right Conservative. Perhaps he has changed but I still agree with him that it was absolutely wrong for Trump to agree with Kim Jung Un. Just not right.
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Those CR ratings are good, they must have some sort of system that grades the legislators BUT, some at the top of the ratings, Paul, Lee and yes, Thomas Massie have had some questionable votes. Remember, Paul and Lee voted against the wall, whatever that motion was, maybe against the declared emergency, emergency funding, however that would be described.
So, those ratings to me do not mean, this guy is going to vote the right way. Those ratings are of limited use but nonetheless, handy, like those freedom ratings I've posted for countries, the equation is not perfect but it gives one a general idea.
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It's almost like a private joke though.
Remember last week, North Korea called Biden "low IQ" and I think that's after Trump said "low IQ" as well in the past.
In a way, it's kind of humorous.
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Just a by-the-way, here is Adam Kinzinger with a recent twitter:
Adam Kinzinger
â€Verified account @RepKinzinger
We said #NeverAgain. We said enough is enough. We said #AssadMustGo. But it's time for action -- it's time to step in, step up, & hold Assad and Putin accountable. This onslaught in #Idlib will not stop with our continued silence.
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Only Trump can save Syria’s Idlib, but time is running out
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/only-trump-can-save-syrias-idlib-but-time-is-running-out/2019/05/09/dd7cf19a-728e-11e9-9eb4-0828f5389013_story.html?tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.ed51db95cfcd (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/only-trump-can-save-syrias-idlib-but-time-is-running-out/2019/05/09/dd7cf19a-728e-11e9-9eb4-0828f5389013_story.html?tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.ed51db95cfcd)
https://twitter.com/RepKinzinger/status/1126895517907214337 (https://twitter.com/RepKinzinger/status/1126895517907214337)
Wow, that's pretty interesting.... I followed him so I'l try to read more of what he says...
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Just a by-the-way, here is Adam Kinzinger with a recent twitter:
Wow, that's pretty interesting.... I followed him so I'l try to read more of what he says...
Libertarian?
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Libertarian?
I inferred earlier that Kentucky Rep Thomas Massie is libertarian. I don't know about Kinzinger. It looks like he is lenient on the border but the votes I looked at appeared to be around 2016.