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Title: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuary ci
Post by: libertybele on April 12, 2019, 04:53:20 pm
Why is it inhumane? Why not place them in sanctuary cities?  They would at least know where they are. Supposedly they are coming from intolerable areas.  IF a sanctuary city is intolerable, then they need to find elsewhere to go.  San Fran would be perfect!

'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuary cities

WASHINGTON – The revelation late Thursday that the White House tried multiple times to pressure immigration authorities into releasing migrants on the streets of sanctuary cities did not go over well with Democrats, who denounced the Trump administration as cruel.

The plan, reported by the Washington Post, was concocted to retaliate against Democrats and target sanctuary cities in liberal strongholds. It didn't come to fruition after pushback from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, the Post reported. ICE rejected the idea after at first thinking it was a joke, the Post reported.

Members of Congress and immigration advocates called the idea inhumane and called for those within President Donald Trump's administration to be held accountable.

"This reporting exposes yet a new level of inhumanity in this Administration," Rep. Marcy Kaptur, D-Ohio, wrote on Twitter. "Those who pursued this disgusting policy are beneath the dignity of the offices they hold and must be held to account." .....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-house-considered-releasing-detained-migrants-sanctuary-cities-015624202.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/white-house-considered-releasing-detained-migrants-sanctuary-cities-015624202.html)

Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: skeeter on April 12, 2019, 05:24:59 pm
Although its fine leftist judges are blocking every attempt to control the border, its 'inhuman' to deposit these undocumented humans in your neighborhood? What an absolutely HORRIBLE way to refer to saintly illegal immigrants.

Schizophrenia in the extreme.

Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Snarknado on April 12, 2019, 05:35:56 pm
I'm confused - why would illegals want to go anywhere other than a sanctuary city?
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: libertybele on April 12, 2019, 05:40:10 pm
Although its fine leftist judges are blocking every attempt to control the border, its 'inhuman' to deposit these undocumented humans in your neighborhood? What an absolutely HORRIBLE way to refer to saintly illegal immigrants.

Schizophrenia in the extreme.

I hope they do.  The DEMS would object of course, but on what grounds?  That sanctuary cities are unfit?  That sanctuary cities are discriminatory?  What is the objection?  DEMS approve of these cities, so why?   It is being reported that Nan is fuming over this; which means it's a great resolution to the problem! 
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Night Hides Not on April 12, 2019, 07:26:07 pm
Quit tweeting about it, Mr. President, and just do it!
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: libertybele on April 12, 2019, 07:46:47 pm
Quit tweeting about it, Mr. President, and just do it!

Exactly.  Tired of the tweets and no action.  I'd rather him not tweet and just DO IT! 
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Restored on April 12, 2019, 07:50:34 pm
Mary and Joseph aren't welcome there????
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Free Vulcan on April 12, 2019, 07:56:03 pm
Quote
'A new level of inhumanity'

Sniff, sniff. Nope, that clever little soundbite doesn't cover the stench of your hypocrisy Dems.

Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: bilo on April 12, 2019, 08:49:15 pm
Although its fine leftist judges are blocking every attempt to control the border, its 'inhuman' to deposit these undocumented humans in your neighborhood? What an absolutely HORRIBLE way to refer to saintly illegal immigrants.

Schizophrenia in the extreme.

 :amen:

I love the idea. Let the limousine liberals live with the consequences of their policies.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: bilo on April 12, 2019, 08:50:09 pm
Quit tweeting about it, Mr. President, and just do it!

Yes, Yes, Yes!
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: austingirl on April 12, 2019, 09:46:10 pm
I'm making an effort not to call them immigrants. They are not part of our legal immigration system. They are illegal invaders. The sanctuary cities should welcome them with open arms and spend all their money on them and not their citizens.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: skeeter on April 12, 2019, 09:52:26 pm
I hope they do.  The DEMS would object of course, but on what grounds?  That sanctuary cities are unfit?  That sanctuary cities are discriminatory?  What is the objection?  DEMS approve of these cities, so why?   It is being reported that Nan is fuming over this; which means it's a great resolution to the problem!

I thought I read somewhere that Obama's policy was to bus illegals into red state areas. How is this worse?
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 12, 2019, 09:57:39 pm
Who gives a sh*t where Trump releases illegal immigrants in the USA?  Don't they have legs?  Didn't they just walk from Guatemala with their cantaloupe sized calves?
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: berdie on April 12, 2019, 09:59:11 pm
I thought I read somewhere that Obama's policy was to bus illegals into red state areas. How is this worse?




Well, silly,  that was Bammy and the Dems.  Completely different...completely different.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: goatprairie on April 12, 2019, 10:04:24 pm
Have to agree with the Trumpster on this. They love illegals...er....excuse me "undocumented immigrants"?  Here you go. Have as many as you want. They'll fit in real well with the people taking dumps on the sidewalks of San Francisco and other rapidly decaying lib cities.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: libertybele on April 12, 2019, 10:11:23 pm
Have to agree with the Trumpster on this. They love illegals...er....excuse me "undocumented immigrants"?  Here you go. Have as many as you want. They'll fit in real well with the people taking dumps on the sidewalks of San Francisco and other rapidly decaying lib cities.

On second thought, though, I love the idea, because of the DEM hissy fit, keep in mind that these ILLEGALS will be protected while getting all the benefits. Our tax dollars will be supporting them.  DEPORT THEM ALL!!
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 12, 2019, 10:15:14 pm
I thought I read somewhere that Obama's policy was to bus illegals into red state areas. How is this worse?

@skeeter
"Trump 2020 - Not worse than Obama" does not sound like a winning slogan against busing illegals into sanctuary cities to me but I'm not a conservative/republican who thinks that is a good idea.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: skeeter on April 12, 2019, 10:17:28 pm
@skeeter
"Trump 2020 - Not worse than Obama" does not sound like a winning slogan against busing illegals into sanctuary cities to me but I'm not a conservative/republican who thinks that is a good idea.

I would agree with you entirely. Which is why I said something else.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 12, 2019, 10:19:24 pm
On second thought, though, I love the idea, because of the DEM hissy fit, keep in mind that these ILLEGALS will be protected while getting all the benefits. Our tax dollars will be supporting them.  DEPORT THEM ALL!!
What don't you understand about "Winning by Concession?"  If you want to solve illegal immigration, bus illegals to big cities with the ability to disperse the future democrat voters effectively.

Duh!
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 12, 2019, 10:20:48 pm
I would agree with you entirely. Which is why I said something else.
I quoted you @skeeter.  I know what you said.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: skeeter on April 12, 2019, 10:30:09 pm
I quoted you @skeeter.  I know what you said.

Deep in the recesses of your fevered mind I’m sure you do.

But the rest of us probably understand I was referring to the left’s response, not proposing a Trump campaign slogan.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 12, 2019, 10:34:16 pm
OMG ... the President exposes the liberal's hypocrisy and so many on TBR go nuts.   888mouth

Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 12, 2019, 10:36:04 pm
OMG ... the President exposes the liberal's hypocrisy and so many on TBR go nuts.   888mouth
:shrug: whatever
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: mountaineer on April 12, 2019, 11:10:17 pm
This is classic NIMBY. We are a sanctuary city, we love all people, no matter how illegal their entrance in the U.S. ... wait, what? No, that doesn't mean we actually want them to live here!  No!! Go away!!!!
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: sneakypete on April 12, 2019, 11:13:23 pm
It's good to see the Dims admit the inhumanity of forcing innocent foreigners to live in one leftist hellhole,after having first escaped from another one.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: libertybele on April 12, 2019, 11:34:00 pm
What don't you understand about "Winning by Concession?"  If you want to solve illegal immigration, bus illegals to big cities with the ability to disperse the future democrat voters effectively.

Duh!

 888high58888 
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 13, 2019, 12:22:08 am
Mary and Joseph aren't welcome there????

An odd comparison I saw somewhere else today.  I'd remind Mary and Joseph where traveling in their own country, and they were taxpayers in a time where taxes did not come back to the origin in some way.

Of course they would be welcome.  Bring a tent.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 13, 2019, 12:28:12 am
I would agree with you entirely. Which is why I said something else.

 :mauslaff:

A similar thought struck me recently, too.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 13, 2019, 12:29:36 am
It's good to see the Dims admit the inhumanity of forcing innocent foreigners to live in one leftist hellhole,after having first escaped from another one.

 888high58888 888high58888

@sneakypete
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on April 13, 2019, 12:31:47 am
I'm confused - why would illegals want to go anywhere other than a sanctuary city?

Have you been to one?
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 13, 2019, 12:35:46 am
I'm making an effort not to call them immigrants. They are not part of our legal immigration system. They are illegal invaders. The sanctuary cities should welcome them with open arms and spend all their money on them and not their citizens.


Oh they will welcome them.  They already had a California Mayor on that said that.  No surprise though.  Just another example of the plan to replace American Workers.  I hope Trump isn't expecting any support from Washington voters who are already overloaded with illegal immigrants.  Securing the border is Federal responsibility.  All of you who thinks that is a great idea should live in my state.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 13, 2019, 12:47:46 am
I've been thinking about this today, and I've distilled an argument for it.

We should stop offloading them in cities that don't want them and begin sending them to places that have proclaimed, by City Ordinance, they are welcome as honored guests

The reason they keep "dumping" them in places they are not wanted by the citizens is because they've already been doing it, so there is a "community" they can pander to.  Out of fairness this plan is the best I've heard in ages.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 13, 2019, 01:02:38 am
I've been thinking about this today, and I've distilled an argument for it.

We should stop offloading them in cities that don't want them and begin sending them to places that have proclaimed, by City Ordinance, they are welcome as honored guests

The reason they keep "dumping" them in places they are not wanted by the citizens is because they've already been doing it, so there is a "community" they can pander to.  Out of fairness this plan is the best I've heard in ages.


No
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 13, 2019, 01:13:08 am

No

Does Phoenix and Tucson sound better?  If so, why?
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: SZonian on April 13, 2019, 01:27:09 am
But when 0bama threatened to bus them into Alabama to spite Jeff Sessions and Red Staters, no one (demRATS) gave a shit, right?

Rats only want others to deal with their insane policies and decisions.

I agree with others here, quit tweeting about it and do it! 

Would love to see L.A. overrun with another 100k invaders.  20-30k non-english, unvaccinated kids put into the school system, 10's of thousands of new drivers on the already congested highways, etc.

You vote for it, you live with it.  Effin' rats.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on April 13, 2019, 01:29:52 am
I've been thinking about this today, and I've distilled an argument for it.

We should stop offloading them in cities that don't want them and begin sending them to places that have proclaimed, by City Ordinance, they are welcome as honored guests

The reason they keep "dumping" them in places they are not wanted by the citizens is because they've already been doing it, so there is a "community" they can pander to.  Out of fairness this plan is the best I've heard in ages.

If they came through Mexico to get here, the logical place to dump them would be Mexico.

I like the argument that if we're going to dump them in our cities we should dump them in "our" sanctuary cities, but to accept that I have to assume the premise (we're going to dump them somewhere in the USA) and that's a lot more ground than I care to give up (pun may or may not be intended).
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 13, 2019, 01:35:56 am
This is classic NIMBY. We are a sanctuary city, we love all people, no matter how illegal their entrance in the U.S. ... wait, what? No, that doesn't mean we actually want them to live here!  No!! Go away!!!!


Oh, they will welcome them with open arms.  Doesn't hurt them a bit.  Hey wait what kind of properties does Trump own in sanctuary cities.  He ought to love all the cheap labor.

Here is the map

http://www.ojjpac.org/tn_Sanctuary-Cities-Map.JPG (http://www.ojjpac.org/tn_Sanctuary-Cities-Map.JPG)

Oh yeah got the New York properties covered.  Have Mara Lago covered...……….etc.  Border cities in Texas.  The entire West Coast.   This is a great idea!  Just because Trump can't get his job done.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 13, 2019, 01:37:19 am
If they came through Mexico to get here, the logical place to dump them would be Mexico.

I like the argument that if we're going to dump them in our cities we should dump them in "our" sanctuary cities, but to accept that I have to assume the premise (we're going to dump them somewhere in the USA) and that's a lot more ground than I care to give up (pun may or may not be intended).

I agree, and upon reflection I think that was the point @Chosen Daughter was making to me above.  We have to wait for the SCOTUS to stop the lefty lower courts, or the President pulls an Old Hickory.  That's there decision, now le them enforce it.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 13, 2019, 01:39:11 am

Oh, they will welcome them with open arms.  Doesn't hurt them a bit.  Hey wait what kind of properties does Trump own in sanctuary cities.  He ought to love all the cheap labor.

You mean like Mar-a-Lago?  :smokin:
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 13, 2019, 01:44:56 am
I agree, and upon reflection I think that was the point @Chosen Daughter was making to me above.  We have to wait for the SCOTUS to stop the lefty lower courts, or the President pulls an Old Hickory.  That's there decision, now le them enforce it.


Yes.  We cannot dump them anywhere in the US.  Most states have sanctuary cities.  I think that should be illegal for the President to order that.  And honestly I think it serves his corporate welfare plan well.  But it places huge burden on the taxpayer.  It isn't an answer at all.  It is Trump showing his weakness and inability to do his job.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 13, 2019, 01:45:33 am
You mean like Mar-a-Lago?  :smokin:


Yes, that.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 13, 2019, 01:47:31 am
But when 0bama threatened to bus them into Alabama to spite Jeff Sessions and Red Staters, no one (demRATS) gave a shit, right?

Rats only want others to deal with their insane policies and decisions.

I agree with others here, quit tweeting about it and do it! 

Would love to see L.A. overrun with another 100k invaders.  20-30k non-english, unvaccinated kids put into the school system, 10's of thousands of new drivers on the already congested highways, etc.

You vote for it, you live with it.  Effin' rats.


Your location on your profile says California.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 13, 2019, 01:48:16 am

Yes.  We cannot dump them anywhere in the US.  Most states have sanctuary cities.  I think that should be illegal for the President to order that.  And honestly I think it serves his corporate welfare plan well.  But it places huge burden on the taxpayer.  It isn't an answer at all.  It is Trump showing his weakness and inability to do his job.

I don't think we'll see it happen either.  There is a real argument against it:  We'd be treating people as pawns.  That's not good either.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 13, 2019, 01:49:10 am
We all need to move to Montana if this is the plan.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: libertybele on April 13, 2019, 02:25:46 am
It's plain wrong to continue to grant asylum to every Juan, Pedro, Maria and Carla that wants in.  DEPORT THEM, THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY!!!
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 13, 2019, 02:43:49 am
It's plain wrong to continue to grant asylum to every Juan, Pedro, Maria and Carla that wants in.  DEPORT THEM, THEY ARE HERE ILLEGALLY!!!


Its exactly what Trumps plan is.  To ignore the situation and bus these people to the nearest sanctuary city so the taxpayer can flip the bill for raising their family.  I am so tired of Trump.  He makes me want to puke.  No real action at all.  Only bad idea's.  And all the officials of these cities are issuing statements that they are welcome.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 13, 2019, 03:57:23 am
Hypocrisy exposed.   :patriot:

Quote
Donald J. Trump
Verified accountï‚™ @realDonaldTrump 

If the Radical Left Democrats all of a sudden don’t want the Illegal Migrants in their Sanctuary Cities (no more open arms), why should others be expected to take them into their communities? Go home and come into our Country legally and through a system of Merit!

7:30 PM - 12 Apr 2019

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1116891452003557376



Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 13, 2019, 04:00:25 am
Tucker: Trump calls Democrats' bluff on illegal immigrants

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8XJPwmX3jo#)
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 13, 2019, 04:02:28 am
We all need to move to Montana if this is the plan.

If you believe this is the plan, we'll be locking Montana's door from the outside.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 13, 2019, 04:06:01 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D3__f8zU4AAd5jf.jpg)
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 13, 2019, 04:08:37 am
Hypocrisy exposed.   :patriot:


I guess he doesn't understand sanctuary city.  they want them to come.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: truth_seeker on April 13, 2019, 04:12:23 am
I think Trump "triggers" certain Usual Suspects. 

The forum has become a spot for them to puke up their anti-Trump venom every thread.

RONALD REAGAN, ENACTED THE AMNESTY MAGNETT IN 1986. TRUMP IS THE FIRST TO TRY TO REMEDY THE LONG-STANDING PROBLEM.

If you cannot grasp this, your political maturity is that of a giggly middle schoolers.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 13, 2019, 04:13:10 am

I guess he doesn't understand sanctuary city.  they want them to come.

Understanding may indeed be a problem, but it's not on the President's part.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: sneakypete on April 13, 2019, 08:24:23 am
I don't think we'll see it happen either.  There is a real argument against it:  We'd be treating people as pawns.  That's not good either.

@Cyber Liberty

I don't care if we treat them as tennis balls,and smack them back and forth over a net. THEY ARE INVADERS AND THEY ARE HARMING OUR COUNTRY.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: sneakypete on April 13, 2019, 08:27:19 am

I guess he doesn't understand sanctuary city.  they want them to come.

@Chosen Daughter

I guess you don't understand English. The sanctuary cities don't want them because they know they will bankrupt their cities.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: DCPatriot on April 13, 2019, 09:29:34 am

Its exactly what Trumps plan is.  To ignore the situation and bus these people to the nearest sanctuary city so the taxpayer can flip the bill for raising their family.  I am so tired of Trump.  He makes me want to puke.  No real action at all.  Only bad idea's.  And all the officials of these cities are issuing statements that they are welcome.

I'm so tired of your bitching....so that makes us even.    :pop41:
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 13, 2019, 10:18:03 am
I'm so tired of your bitching....so that makes us even.    :pop41:

IKR? People are complaining when President Trump repealed and replaced Obamacare, drained the swamp and replaced it with power brokers of principle and integrity like Paul Manifort, Michael Cohen, and Elliott Broidy, and after Hitlery was apprehended
...Ingrates. 9999hair out0000

And to bitch about a Wall that just needs a little finishing and a fresh coat of paint is unconscionable.  I mean sure, Trump did nothing about the border for 2 years when the GOP controlled the House and Senate, but as soon as the GOP lost the House NOBODY spoke louder about the border than President Trump.

Releasing illegals into sanctuary cities is the Cloward-Piven strategy of the right.  I'm not complaining about it.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 13, 2019, 06:21:15 pm
@Chosen Daughter

I guess you don't understand English. The sanctuary cities don't want them because they know they will bankrupt their cities.


That is why I am so confused about this.  They absolutely do want them.  When they get here they will be assigned a case worker to help them with all the stuff they need.  Filling out all the paperwork for social benefits.  Health care, cash assistance and a job.  English as second language classes.  They will help them get the children signed up at the public school. 

Its a Democratic dream in some sanctuary cities where illegals are allowed to vote.

https://www.newsweek.com/immigrants-are-getting-right-vote-cities-across-america-664467 (https://www.newsweek.com/immigrants-are-getting-right-vote-cities-across-america-664467)

So how again is this a good thing?  Sanctuary cities are created because they do want immigrants.  But I understand if you are in Montana where you aren't taxed for all of this immigrant funding it doesn't affect you.  So it might be the perfect solution.  Especially is you want to ignore a Presidency that used extreme rhetoric about securing the border and didn't.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 13, 2019, 06:23:57 pm
I'm so tired of your bitching....so that makes us even.    :pop41:


I have a Constitutional right to bitch about a President that is forcing me to pay for more illegal immigrant families while he gives Mexico another year.  This "idea" from the president isn't an answer to illegal immigration.  Just floods the country with more Democratic votes.  Goood job!
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 13, 2019, 06:25:43 pm
If you believe this is the plan, we'll be locking Montana's door from the outside.


Well that would explain lots if you live in Montana.  You don't have to raise illegal immigrant families.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: sneakypete on April 13, 2019, 06:27:54 pm

That is why I am so confused about this.  They absolutely do want them.  When they get here they will be assigned a case worker to help them with all the stuff they need.  Filling out all the paperwork for social benefits.  Health care, cash assistance and a job.  English as second language classes.  They will help them get the children signed up at the public school. 

Its a Democratic dream in some sanctuary cities where illegals are allowed to vote.

https://www.newsweek.com/immigrants-are-getting-right-vote-cities-across-america-664467 (https://www.newsweek.com/immigrants-are-getting-right-vote-cities-across-america-664467)

So how again is this a good thing?  Sanctuary cities are created because they do want immigrants.  But I understand if you are in Montana where you aren't taxed for all of this immigrant funding it doesn't affect you.  So it might be the perfect solution.  Especially is you want to ignore a Presidency that used extreme rhetoric about securing the border and didn't.


@Chosen Daughter

The sanctuary cities LOVE them as long as there is federal and state money flowing in to pay all their costs and provide the city with the revenue,but what Trump is talking about is sending UNFUNDED illegal aliens to the sanctuary cities to care for while their cases are going through the courts to deport them.

The still get the same illegal,but get no money to skim off of them. Even worse,from THEIR POV,they have to spend their OWN money to provide for the illegals.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 13, 2019, 06:46:22 pm


@Chosen Daughter

The sanctuary cities LOVE them as long as there is federal and state money flowing in to pay all their costs and provide the city with the revenue,but what Trump is talking about is sending UNFUNDED illegal aliens to the sanctuary cities to care for while their cases are going through the courts to deport them.

The still get the same illegal,but get no money to skim off of them. Even worse,from THEIR POV,they have to spend their OWN money to provide for the illegals.

It's doubleplus wonderful for Rat city governments because this encourages White Flight, leaving a higher proportion of welfare leeches for voting.  Coleman Young of Deetroit pioneered this tactic.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 13, 2019, 06:49:16 pm
April 13, 2017
Why Sanctuary Cities Encourage Illegal Immigration
By James W. Lucas


Read more: https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/04/why_sanctuary_cities_encourage_illegal_immigration.html#ixzz5l0B5zcWe (https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/04/why_sanctuary_cities_encourage_illegal_immigration.html#ixzz5l0B5zcWe)
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Numerous cities have declared themselves to be “sanctuary cities,” where local police are forbidden to cooperate with federal immigration authorities in enforcing our national immigration laws.  Legislation is now moving through the California legislature to implement such a policy throughout that entire state.  Why this energy to protect violators of our laws?  Oddly, the answer goes back to the founding.  Due to a residue of the notorious three-fifth compromise, sanctuary cities encourage illegal immigration because undocumented residents (to use the politically correct term) are counted in determining representation in the House of Representatives and state legislatures.  The more undocumented a city has, the more seats it gets.
When the Framers were deciding how to apportion the House of Representatives, the southern states wanted to count slaves and the northern states wanted to only count free citizen residents.  They compromised by counting three-fifths of the non-free population.  To implement this, the House is apportioned on the basis of the gross total population rather than the citizen population.  As illegal immigration was not a great issue in 1868, the Fourteenth Amendment simply carried forward this practice.  As a result, the Census Bureau explicitly includes both legal non-citizen and undocumented residents in the census.
In our era of historically high immigration, this has a major impact on legislative apportionment because these immigrants are very unevenly distributed.  The Census Bureau estimates that the proportion of non-citizen population in the states varies from 14% in California to less than 1% in West Virginia. This has a direct impact on the states’ political power.  California, on its way to becoming the first sanctuary state, has five or six more members of the House (and consequently Electoral College votes) counting its non-citizen population than if House seats and Electoral College votes were based on only citizen population.  No wonder California politicians favor illegal immigration............   


Read more: https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/04/why_sanctuary_cities_encourage_illegal_immigration.html#ixzz5l0BLyHn2 (https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/04/why_sanctuary_cities_encourage_illegal_immigration.html#ixzz5l0BLyHn2)
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The truth about crime, illegal immigrants and sanctuary cities
By Ron Martinelli, opinion contributor - 04/19/17 07:00 PM EDT

There has been much rhetoric from the left and the open-borders, pro-illegal immigration lobby suggesting that illegal immigrants pose no threat to the safety and security of this nation and commit less crimes than their American Citizen and legal immigrant counterparts.
If one watches the network newscasts, the ideologues and open-borders surrogates consistently accuse Americans and law enforcement experts who suggest otherwise of being racist and anti-immigration xenophobes. If you pay attention to the rhetoric, you will find one blaring item missing — facts.
I am a former Spanish speaking career detective who investigated violent crimes within the Hispanic and other ethnic immigrant communities.
I am also a forensic criminologist who is a subject matter expert in violent crime who advocates for facts and evidence. Here are some verified crime facts and statistics with you so that you will know the truth about the precarious relationship between violent crime and illegal immigrants.

As Americans, we should only care about three things: (1) are the immigrants in the U.S. illegally; (2) have they committed violent crimes predominantly against U.S. citizens; and (3) had these criminals not been in our country illegally, these crimes, the victimization of our citizens and the costs of their crimes borne by American taxpayers could have been completely avoided.

https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/crime/329589-the-truth-about-crime-illegal-immigrants-and-sanctuary-cities (https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/crime/329589-the-truth-about-crime-illegal-immigrants-and-sanctuary-cities)

There has been alot of talk about Trump going after Democratic votes.  Well here you go.  What a way to make these states untouchable to Republican candidates.  How is he going to explain this to the families who have lost loved ones to illegal immigrants?  I guess that was all phony outrage too.
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Post by: libertybele on April 13, 2019, 06:49:43 pm
I still vote for DEPORTATION.  That's the only thing that I see as a resolution. They don't belong here period.  That last thing we need is for the population of the sanctuary cities to explode.  It only gives the DEMS a reason to expand them.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 13, 2019, 06:51:05 pm


@Chosen Daughter

The sanctuary cities LOVE them as long as there is federal and state money flowing in to pay all their costs and provide the city with the revenue,but what Trump is talking about is sending UNFUNDED illegal aliens to the sanctuary cities to care for while their cases are going through the courts to deport them.

The still get the same illegal,but get no money to skim off of them. Even worse,from THEIR POV,they have to spend their OWN money to provide for the illegals.

And I just don't understand how any Conservatives could see this as a good thing.  It also goes absolutely opposite of everything Trump said he is trying to accomplish.  I guess also that he is abandoning the African Americans in sanctuary cities competing for jobs.  Places like Chicago where Rahm Emanuel is ecstatic about this.  He has already said they are welcome.  But they have overload of illegal immigrants already competing with African Americans for jobs.  The president can only earn the praises of people like Emanuel with this stunt.  This really is a gift to the far left.

How Illegal Immigration Harms Black Americans, According to Civil Rights Commissioner
Fred Lucas / @FredLucasWH / February 19, 2017 / 1 Comment

https://www.dailysignal.com/2017/02/19/how-illegal-immigration-harms-black-americans-according-to-civil-rights-commissioner/ (https://www.dailysignal.com/2017/02/19/how-illegal-immigration-harms-black-americans-according-to-civil-rights-commissioner/)

Exactly!  Trump will not be able to stop the Federal cash flow.  And it is going to end up more burden to the taxpayer in those states.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 13, 2019, 07:03:30 pm
It's a shame the President will probably back down from this idea.  8888crybaby
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: libertybele on April 13, 2019, 07:11:14 pm
It's a shame the President will probably back down from this idea.  8888crybaby


Why??  Bringing ILLEGALS into this country is not a good thing.  Placing them around various parts of the country is an even worse thing.  A)  They don't belong here.  B)  I don't want my tax dollars going to support them.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 13, 2019, 07:18:59 pm

Why??  Bringing ILLEGALS into this country is not a good thing.  Placing them around various parts of the country is an even worse thing.  A)  They don't belong here.  B)  I don't want my tax dollars going to support them.

Until the courts can be stopped from interfering, this is the next best idea.  I agree wholeheartedly with both of your points. 

As a long-time resident of AZ, specifically Phoenix, I'd like to see places like San Francisco and Chitcago shoulder a bit more of the burden.  Besides, we're only talking drop-off points...they migrate everywhere after that like sand to the wind.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on April 13, 2019, 07:23:13 pm
Add a hefty fine on the city for each illegal that doesn't show up for court.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 13, 2019, 07:30:10 pm
List of sanctuary cities.

https://cis.org/Map-Sanctuary-Cities-Counties-and-States

I would expect that Trump could be held responsible for any victims of crime related to his dumping these people into our cities.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: jmyrlefuller on April 13, 2019, 07:54:45 pm
I guess he doesn't understand sanctuary city.  they want them to come.
Well, at least they wantED the illegal aliens to come... until Trump suggested it.

Which only goes to show that too many of them follow the Quincy Adams Wagstaff school of political philosophy: "Whatever it is, I'm against it."
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 13, 2019, 08:03:33 pm
Well, at least they wantED the illegal aliens to come... until Trump suggested it.

Which only goes to show that too many of them follow the Quincy Adams Wagstaff school of political philosophy: "Whatever it is, I'm against it."


Chosen Daughter is shaking head.  Right.

Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Sanguine on April 13, 2019, 08:06:14 pm
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Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 13, 2019, 10:12:58 pm
List of sanctuary cities.

https://cis.org/Map-Sanctuary-Cities-Counties-and-States

I would expect that Trump could be held responsible for any victims of crime related to his dumping these people into our cities.

In case you hadn't noticed, he's already held responsible for every sparrow that falls from the sky.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 13, 2019, 10:15:28 pm

Chosen Daughter is shaking head.  Right.

Explain why Pelosi and Horizontal Harris is screaming mad about all the terrible people Trump is going to "dump" on them.  Then explain why all these loving, open-arms people are now declaring the illegals "trouble."  Heck of a pivot there.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 13, 2019, 10:18:39 pm
Explain why Pelosi and Horizontal Harris is screaming mad about all the terrible people Trump is going to "dump" on them.  Then explain why all these loving, open-arms people are now declaring the illegals "trouble."  Heck of a pivot there.


Well I don't believe that.  But I do believe feigned outrage.  Oh Trump is just using these poor people as pawns...……………… Who is calling them terrible people?   That would be something to see.

I am calling fake news on that.


Pelosi Calls For Illegal Immigrants To Have The Right To Vote
By Carmine Sabia
Published March 8, 2019 at 6:59am
Modified March 8, 2019 at 7:59am

https://thefederalistpapers.org/opinion/pelosi-calls-illegal-immigrants-right-vote


Oh, yes that is what it was.  Feigned outrage.  Using those poor immigrants.  Trump is just shooting himself in the foot every time he opens his mouth.

Bizarro world: Pelosi angry over Trump plan to send illegal crossers to sanctuary cities
By Nolan Rappaport, opinion contributor — 04/13/19 10:30 AM EDT
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The views expressed by contributors are their own and not the view of The Hill
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https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/438742-trump-proposes-transporting-illegal-crossers-to-sanctuary-cities-and
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on April 13, 2019, 10:33:52 pm
And I just don't understand how any Conservatives could see this as a good thing.

Because the alternative isn't "just keep them out".  We'd all like that, but it's not an option.  Trump's hands are tied by current law and some court decisions.  There has been injunction after injunction issued whenever he tries to toughen things up.  So don't blame him -- blame the Republicans who failed to pass legislation for him to sign when they controlled Congress.

Some spending on illegals is federal, but a great chunk of it is state and local.  So if you funnel illegals to sanctuary cities, those cities will bear a disproportionate share of the costs, and those areas that aren't sanctuaries will spend less.

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It also goes absolutely opposite of everything Trump said he is trying to accomplish.  I guess also that he is abandoning the African Americans in sanctuary cities competing for jobs.  Places like Chicago where Rahm Emanuel is ecstatic about this.  He has already said they are welcome.  But they have overload of illegal immigrants already competing with African Americans for jobs.  The president can only earn the praises of people like Emanuel with this stunt.  This really is a gift to the far left.

Except the black Americans who live in those areas and don't want a bunch more illegals are going to be angry at the Democrats in City Hall for doing this.  It's driving a wedge between Democrats and a huge chunk of their core support.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 13, 2019, 11:00:07 pm
Because the alternative isn't "just keep them out".  We'd all like that, but it's not an option.  Trump's hands are tied by current law and some court decisions.  There has been injunction after injunction issued whenever he tries to toughen things up.  So don't blame him -- blame the Republicans who failed to pass legislation for him to sign when they controlled Congress.

A point I keep trying to make to deaf ears.  Maybe they'll hear it since you said it.

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Some spending on illegals is federal, but a great chunk of it is state and local.  So if you funnel illegals to sanctuary cities, those cities will bear a disproportionate share of the costs, and those areas that aren't sanctuaries will spend less.

As an Arizonan, I am hip to what you're saying here.

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Except the black Americans who live in those areas and don't want a bunch more illegals are going to be angry at the Democrats in City Hall for doing this.  It's driving a wedge between Democrats and a huge chunk of their core support.

You saved the best for last.  I find it amazing the 180 the Rats pulled, going from "These are a bunch of loving, wonderful, decent people" to "They're a terrible burden Trump is dumping on us."  Not that they pivoted, but did so on a literal dime.

I'm all for driving wedges, now that I know the Rats will drive any wedge between us they can find with a microscope.  They can dish it out, let's see how well they can take it.

@Maj. Bill Martin
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 13, 2019, 11:08:19 pm
Because the alternative isn't "just keep them out".  We'd all like that, but it's not an option.  Trump's hands are tied by current law and some court decisions.  There has been injunction after injunction issued whenever he tries to toughen things up.  So don't blame him -- blame the Republicans who failed to pass legislation for him to sign when they controlled Congress.

Some spending on illegals is federal, but a great chunk of it is state and local.  So if you funnel illegals to sanctuary cities, those cities will bear a disproportionate share of the costs, and those areas that aren't sanctuaries will spend less.

Except the black Americans who live in those areas and don't want a bunch more illegals are going to be angry at the Democrats in City Hall for doing this.  It's driving a wedge between Democrats and a huge chunk of their core support.


I agree that the liberal courts have been a problem.  What I don't agree with is this is the answer.  I would be hitting Mexico hard.  I think it was just today Mexico says another caravan broke through a fence.  Well how convenient for a Mexican President that said all migrants have a human right to migrate to the United State.  Trump giving a year to him is just incredible.  Trump is all over the place.  He is blowing in the wind.  He is a ship without an anchor.  He's a wild card.  Never know what kind of crap he'll throw out there and expect everyone to accept it. 


He was going to make Mexico pay for the wall.  Now he's building bollard fencing that all illegals can scale.  He signed legislation allowing unaccompanied illegal immigrants to be placed with illegal immigrants in the US.  Trump doesn't take any of the blame for what he has done.  And he has made securing the border difficult.  It should have been #1 priority when he took office but he waited till Democrats took control of Congress.  He like the illegal immigrants so much he gave them incentive.  He likes illegal immigrants so much he employs them.  Maybe he should turn Mara Lago into a sanctuary for illegal immigrants.


As for the African Americans.  That is an empty dream.  They already support liberals.  If you wanted to draw them to your side you would not make it worse for them.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 13, 2019, 11:37:14 pm
Explain why Pelosi and Horizontal Harris is screaming mad about all the terrible people Trump is going to "dump" on them.  Then explain why all these loving, open-arms people are now declaring the illegals "trouble."  Heck of a pivot there.

I didn't hear rats screaming mad about terrible illegals.  I heard people disgusted by President Trump's dehumanizing characterization of people seeking asylum as a burden that should be shipped and concentrated into the areas that didn't vote for Trump. 
I don't think it is ICE's job to use people for political retribution, but I understand why Trumpers love it.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 13, 2019, 11:41:30 pm
I didn't hear rats screaming mad about terrible illegals.  I heard people disgusted by President Trump's dehumanizing characterization of people seeking asylum as a burden that should be shipped and concentrated into the areas that didn't vote for Trump. 
I don't think it is ICE's job to use people for political retribution, but I understand why Trumpers love it.


perfect explanation!  The people that didn't vote for Trump.  Its his mental illness.  But I can't see the people in those states who are Conservative voting for him after this.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 13, 2019, 11:50:07 pm

perfect explanation!  The people that didn't vote for Trump.  Its his mental illness.  But I can't see the people in those states who are Conservative voting for him after this.
:beer:
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: To-Whose-Benefit? on April 14, 2019, 12:37:31 am
Let the DNC whip up a fairgrounds, pay for it themselves, and stash them There.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Fishrrman on April 14, 2019, 12:41:45 am
The bickering in here never ends.
Nor will the floods of invaders from the south.
There are millions ... tens of millions, many times over ... who will come in time.

There's really only one way to "stop" them from entering.
You all know what that is... stop pretending you don't.

Thought just occurred to me:
Perhaps it's time to invade Mexico, overthrow their government, install an American military government (Latinos seem to love them), and build "a wall" -- on MEXICO's southern border (which is smaller than the northern one).

Mexico ... right now... is the nation that poses the greatest danger to the future of America.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: libertybele on April 14, 2019, 12:54:54 am
The bickering in here never ends.
Nor will the floods of invaders from the south.
There are millions ... tens of millions, many times over ... who will come in time.

There's really only one way to "stop" them from entering.
You all know what that is... stop pretending you don't.

Thought just occurred to me:
Perhaps it's time to invade Mexico, overthrow their government, install an American military government (Latinos seem to love them), and build "a wall" -- on MEXICO's southern border (which is smaller than the northern one).

Mexico ... right now... is the nation that poses the greatest danger to the future of America.

I also agree that is what is needed.  It would take a declaration of war and I highly doubt Congress would do so.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 14, 2019, 12:58:02 am
Thought just occurred to me:
Perhaps it's time to invade Mexico, overthrow their government, install an American military government (Latinos seem to love them), and build "a wall" -- on MEXICO's southern border (which is smaller than the northern one)

America is awesome at nation building, but why stop at Mexico's southern border when we could take back the Panama Canal?  Panama has a very small border and we don't have to even invade it all to take control of the canal.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on April 14, 2019, 12:58:42 am
I also agree that is what is needed.  It would take a declaration of war and I highly doubt Congress would do so.

Legally, maybe, but when was the last time we invaded and toppled another country after an actual declaration of war?
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2019, 01:00:19 am
I didn't hear rats screaming mad about terrible illegals.  I heard people disgusted by President Trump's dehumanizing characterization of people seeking asylum as a burden that should be shipped and concentrated into the areas that didn't vote for Trump. 
I don't think it is ICE's job to use people for political retribution, but I understand why Trumpers love it.
You can't seem to connect the letters "MS" with the numbers "13" either, so there we are.   rrthree
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 14, 2019, 01:01:32 am
The bickering in here never ends.
Nor will the floods of invaders from the south.
There are millions ... tens of millions, many times over ... who will come in time.

There's really only one way to "stop" them from entering.
You all know what that is... stop pretending you don't.

Thought just occurred to me:
Perhaps it's time to invade Mexico, overthrow their government, install an American military government (Latinos seem to love them), and build "a wall" -- on MEXICO's southern border (which is smaller than the northern one).

Mexico ... right now... is the nation that poses the greatest danger to the future of America.


Nothing legitimate about Mexico anymore.  Their government is controlled by the Cartel
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Rivergirl on April 14, 2019, 01:04:17 am
It's not as if these people are made in the image of the Lord.
As the America Firsters said of the Jews wanting asylum.   They are vermin, thieves, and undesirables.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 14, 2019, 01:13:57 am
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Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 14, 2019, 01:20:23 am
It's not as if these people are made in the image of the Lord.
As the America Firsters said of the Jews wanting asylum.   They are vermin, thieves, and undesirables.


All people are made in the image of the Lord.   So what is your plan?  Should we have open borders?  Or lawful immigration?  I am sure you are not suggesting that immigrants do not commit crimes or that there are undesirables like human traffickers and cartel.  Reports say that people from 50 different countries are coming in because of the unsecured border.  That isn't one race or religion.  It is a security threat to the entire United States and its citizens.


pedophiles, murderers, rapists, terrorists...…………….
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: libertybele on April 14, 2019, 01:20:56 am
It's not as if these people are made in the image of the Lord.
As the America Firsters said of the Jews wanting asylum.   They are vermin, thieves, and undesirables.

You make a very good point.  However, not all coming here are truly seeking asylum. Secondly, there is a way to come into this country legally. Mobs of people entering this country or any country by force of mass is an invasion and is quite different then those seeking asylum and wanting to come in legally to become citizens.  Big difference.  Most countries defend themselves from an invasion. The U.S. is the only country that I know of that keeps their borders open and allows the invasion to continue.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: jmyrlefuller on April 14, 2019, 01:32:26 am
I didn't hear rats screaming mad about terrible illegals.  I heard people disgusted by President Trump's dehumanizing characterization of people seeking asylum as a burden that should be shipped and concentrated into the areas that didn't vote for Trump. 
They are a burden.

Hell, a good chunk of the lawful population is a burden, and our federal deficit shows it.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 14, 2019, 02:22:55 am
It's not as if these people are made in the image of the Lord.
As the America Firsters said of the Jews wanting asylum.   They are vermin, thieves, and undesirables.


This is good reading on God, Nations and immigration.  What is the Biblical view of immigration.


https://capmin.org/what-the-bible-says-about-illegal-immigration/

Excerpt:

THE GOD OF INDEPENDENT NATIONS DIFFERENTIATES BETWEEN THE PEOPLES OF NATIONS
Therefore, governmental leaders today in every nation — to be biblically accurate — should invoke and staunchly maintain legal distinctions of status between their resident peoples:
Citizens, Immigrants, and Foreigners. To remain biblical, these distinctions should never be obliterated. No reformed immigration policy should attempt to eradicate these distinctions; to do so is to posture oneself as more knowledgeable and insightful than God.

V. GOD’S DESIGN: UNDERSTANDING IMPARTIALITY AND HIS IMAGE
Why have I spent so much time on matters that seem so basic? As obvious as the aforementioned points may seem, there are those who believe that because God calls us to be impartial, and because God created all mankind in His image (Lat: Imago Dei), that believers should be the leading proponents of a borderless world — one with no classifications or categorizations of people within a given country! Such a perspective, however, misunderstands what biblical impartiality and Imago Dei mean and do not mean. For instance, Leviticus 19:15 defines and properly contextualizes the concept of biblical impartiality:

“You shall do no injustice in judgment; you shall not be partial to the poor nor defer to the great, but you are to judge your neighbor fairly.”
In discussing impartiality, God does not scrub the aforementioned distinctions of various people in Israel; impartiality nowhere in Scripture negates the aforementioned precepts of one’s legal status in a given nation. This passage points to the fact that to treat one illegal immigrant who possessed wealth differently from one without money is what is partial. To say that God created everyone in His image does not negate the biblical concepts of, in this case, legal status in the land: to clarify the point, a bank robber, a murderer, and an illegal immigrant are all created in God’s image, but that fact does not place them above the law of the land! Often, attempts are made to foist impartiality or Imago Dei onto the discussion about immigration policy. Such attempts, however, serve to reveal the proponents’ ignorance or else deliberate twisting of Scripture.

VI. GOD’S DESIGN: PROTECTING THE CITIZENRY
It is critically important for Public Servants to understand and apply the aforementioned biblical precepts relative to the formation of immigration laws because Romans 13:1-7 and 1 Peter 2:13-14 imply that in God’s mind, in His economy for creating nations and governments, He intends for the leaders of a nation to protect the citizens of the nation. Note in this regard Romans 13:4:
. . . for [Government] is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil.
In this passage, Paul, a citizen of the Roman Empire, is addressing believers who are citizens of the Roman Empire living in the capital city of Rome. Not only does he state here the need for citizens to abide by the rule of law, which includes immigration law, but in addition, he implies what the motive should be behind the legislators’ (ministers [diakonia], meaning “servants”) lawmaking: to look out for the welfare of citizens; i.e., such laws are intended to you for good.
It is not overreaching to reason from this passage that immigration laws, like all of a nation’s laws, should stem from a desire to protect the nation and its citizenry.6 That protection should deter a myriad of intrusions by illegals: weapons of destruction, disease, property and job theft, the importation of illegal drugs, and the like, which could result from illegals who have never pledged their allegiance to the nation and its laws, but rather have broken the laws of the land by entering the country illegally.
In that God intends for citizens to obey their governing authorities, and in that those authorities have deemed positive and negative migratory policies (again, assuming their laws have been informed by Scripture), it follows that:

THE IMMIGRATION LAWS OF EVERY NATION SHOULD BE BIBLICALLY BASED AND STRICTLY ENFORCED — ALL WITH THE UTMOST CONFIDENCE AND ASSURANCE THAT GOD APPROVES SUCH ACTIONS BY THE NATION’S LEADERS!
Similar to a parent who incorrectly feels guilty for spanking a rebellious child because his conscience is not sufficiently informed by Scripture, the conscience of the lawmaker, too, should be informed by God’s Word on this subject. And God’s Word says He frowns on illegal immigrants — just like He says He frowns on children ruling the roost!

VII. GOD’S DESIGN: RESTRICTIONIST NOT RACIST
It need be especially underscored that an advocate of immigration restriction is not necessarily a racist. Policies preventing illegal immigration should stem from biblical motives of ensuring the general welfare of the nation versus denying a would-be immigrant the potential for a better way of life. To procedurally exclude foreign individuals who might be criminals, traitors, or terrorists, or who possess communicable diseases is not racist in the least! It is good stewardship to protect the citizens of a nation who have unmistakably pledged their allegiance to that nation and their fellow citizens! Holding to a biblical theology on immigration in no way implies that one is necessarily a racist!

VIII. GOD’S DESIGN: BOUNDARIES EQUATE TO COMPASSION
One additional misnomer that is common to current debates on immigration is the charge that those who are tough on immigration are patently compassionless. Just the opposite is true! This can be illustrated in a myriad of ways: One is an economic argument:

IN A WORLD OF LIMITED RESOURCES AND GDP, FOR A NATION NOT TO ENFORCE BOUNDARIES OR DEFENSES RELATIVE TO ALIEN INCURSION IS, IN THE END, COMPASSIONLESS
Such leniencies, as evidenced by current American immigration policies and the facts quoted in the introduction to this study, eventually bankrupt the treasury. This happens when non-citizens are the recipients of endless entitlement grants, health benefits, employment insurance, education scholarships, etc. — all given to those who have never pledged allegiance to the flag that they willingly take from! A nation with overly lenient immigration policies will always end up insolvent. It’s difficult to manifest compassion when you are bankrupt yourself.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 14, 2019, 02:35:05 am
Another Excerpt from Capitol Ministries:

GOD INTENDS FOR PEOPLE TO SUPPORT THEIR GOVERNMENT, NOT FOR THEIR GOVERNMENT TO SUPPORT THEM
Fundamental to immigration reform is the need to remove the magnet of alluring governmental entitlements that serve to entice illegal entry. Such forms of provision are not pleasing to God and only work to destroy personal honor, character, and productivity in the recipient. Government entitlement programs are not biblical for anyone, let alone illegal immigrants. Nowhere in Scripture does God state that He created His institution of civil government to meet the needs of the people. (In other Bible studies I explain in much greater detail that God ordained the institutions of marriage, family and Church to meet the needs of the distraught, among other purposes — but not the institution of civil government!) Said again for emphasis, God intends for people to first meet their own needs; but if for some legitimate reason that is impossible, their needs are to be met by other individuals in their family, or else the Church, but not the State. In the genius of God, the real needs of the individual can be met much more effectively and efficiently through those closest to him or her than by the impersonal institution of the State.

https://capmin.org/what-the-bible-says-about-illegal-immigration/

Really good Biblical information.  People like to make it racist but it isn't.  Its about law and the protection of the citizens of the United States.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 14, 2019, 02:43:58 am
You can't seem to connect the letters "MS" with the numbers "13" either, so there we are.   rrthree
I appreciate you struggling so hard to connect the dots for me, but I reject MS-13 as a boogy-man I must fear.  I live in Wisconsin.
(https://www.nowtheendbegins.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/obama-knowingly-allowed-ms-13-gang-members-into-united-states-illegal-immigrants-933x445.jpg)

This picture says so much more to the slogan cheering MAGA fan than the facts.  I actually do fear many American born homegrown gangs that have come to Madison and Milwaukee from Chicago.  It's why I live in a suburb, but I don't fear MS-13 because they don't come here.  I understand how the anguish of being the victim of MS-13 crime can be exacerbated by the thought that a loved one was killed by an illegal, rather than a patriotic, welfare fed, real American gangbanger, but it doesn't affect me the same way.  I sympathize with people who live in AZ, CA, NM, and TX, but it's probably not the same intensity.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuMFk7ryp4k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuMFk7ryp4k#)

People often go through 5 stages when other people declare things they know to be untrue, as true. 
First they deny the offered facts. 
Second they get angry at the messenger.
Third they hope or pray the facts are untrue.
Fourth they train their body and mind to perfection, and don a bat costume to fight crime at night.
Fifth they accept that it's going to be OK that others disagree.  I get angry too, but I do not think you are a stooge in any way. rrthree

I've noticed an increased animosity from you.  Perhaps I am overestimating your esteem for me in the first place.  Maybe you're just disinterested in my frustratingly hard to ingest/injest perspective, or perhaps I have stated my position in a way you found personally insulting.  I think I'll fail at changing the first two, but if I have said something insulting, that you felt was aimed at you I apologize.  I try very hard to insult Trump, politicians, government officials, and media figures.  Not posters.

I understand and know you (Platonicly).  I enjoy your perspective because I think you are smart, and honest about your opinion.  I would be sad if I had done something to repel your observations from my view.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2019, 03:17:29 am
@Once-Ler You don't worry about MS-13 because you are insulated from them by half a continent.  I do not have that luxury.  I had a relative killed by illegal aliens  so I don't consider them "Boogie Men," they are very real.

I appreciate you too, BTW.  I really do.  You frustrate me sometimes, but I like that sort of thing from Briefers. 
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on April 14, 2019, 04:00:38 am
It's not as if these people are made in the image of the Lord.

If you're going to play the "image of the Lord" card in that manner, then we should let in every single person who wants to come into this country, without exception.  All 1 billion or so of them.

At some point, rational thought has to take over.  If we continue letting in people at this rate, we will be destroying the very things about our country that make other people want to come here.  Then nobody will benefit from it.  The rate of immigration should equal the rate of assimilation.  And right now, that ain't happening.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: TomSea on April 14, 2019, 04:34:29 am
Scott Walker, great governor and man for the most part. He honestly didn't understand the border crisis. To an extent it sunk his campaign.

But that is his excuse.

What about the many in the West and Southwest who are still very lenient on the border? Just about getting new votes.  Maybe but not in every case.

It is a big cross-section. Sen. Graham use to be lenient. Ithink he's changed, at least for the next 15 minutes. That's really not a slam. It does say he's probably a bit wishywashy on the issue. The list goes on, Jeff Flake and so-on.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Rivergirl on April 14, 2019, 11:37:00 am
Not playing anything.   We are obliged by our own laws to accept asylum seekers.    All do not have criminal intent.   We have thousands of home grown criminals who seem to be coddled by the government.  As long as a Kardashian gives our president a public hug we can be sure that the criminals in our prisons will be given extra consideration from the Javanka arm of the administration.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2019, 12:05:50 pm
I didn't hear rats screaming mad about terrible illegals.  I heard people disgusted by President Trump's dehumanizing characterization of people seeking asylum as a burden that should be shipped and concentrated into the areas that didn't vote for Trump. 
I don't think it is ICE's job to use people for political retribution, but I understand why Trumpers love it.

Come on, man.

My county in Maryland...Montgomery, borders D.C..

As a career Realtor, I have watched and commented about the transformation of its population from Caucasian to Hispanic and African for 20 years.

Are you naive enough to believe that happened by accident?

The Democrats and the Leftist non-profits funded by same deliberately sprinkled them into States that were once 'RED'.  California, for example.

Now, let's do a turn-around Cloward-Piven on them....overload their State and County systems.  Turn every effing one of them into disease-ridden and filthy San Francisco and Seattle.

Let's see how long it takes them to 'tap out' and cry "Uncle".
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: sneakypete on April 14, 2019, 12:31:49 pm
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Not playing anything.   We are obliged by our own laws to accept asylum seekers.
 

@Rivergirl

They are not asylum seekers. Nor are they refugees. What they are,IS ILLEGAL ALIEN INVADERS.


 
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All do not have criminal intent. 


HorseHillary! EVERY SINGLE DAMN ONE OF THE INTENDS TO ENTER OUR COUNTRY ILLEGALLY.

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We have thousands of home grown criminals who seem to be coddled by the government.


Yeah,and it's raining somewhere today. So what?
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As long as a Kardashian gives our president a public hug we can be sure that the criminals in our prisons will be given extra consideration from the Javanka arm of the administration.

Sounds like you are jealous. Can't afford ass and breast implants?
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Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2019, 12:36:39 pm
 

They are not asylum seekers. Nor are they refugees. What they are,IS ILLEGAL ALIEN INVADERS.


When a government agency of the 'invaded' country accepts them, feeds them, clothes them, and educates them, they are at a minimum, "refugees"

Until the agency who places them on buses and transports them to TARGETED counties across the lower 48 is stopped...???

There's not a damned thing we can do about it.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2019, 03:18:07 pm
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Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 14, 2019, 04:30:04 pm
Not playing anything.   We are obliged by our own laws to accept asylum seekers.    All do not have criminal intent.   We have thousands of home grown criminals who seem to be coddled by the government.  As long as a Kardashian gives our president a public hug we can be sure that the criminals in our prisons will be given extra consideration from the Javanka arm of the administration.

I knew you weren't for real.  Just like most liberals who like to use the Bible out of context.  As you can see the Bible has much to say about immigration.  And different definitions of visiting migrating to etc.  And it also shows there have always been borders and boundaries.  The Bible also testifies that people migrating ask for the opportunity to move into foreign lands.

Every country has criminals.  But our prisons have a high percentage of foreigner criminals.  That is a fact.  You can check the data yourself.  Those are criminals that should not have been here.  Those are crimes that should not have been committed.  Do you think that your argument is going to make a family suffering the loss of a loved one from an illegal alien feel better?  That is the odds of them being murdered would have been zero had they not been here.  Their loved ones would be alive today.


The financial cost of housing foreigners in our prisons is astronomical and a financial burden on the citizens of this country.  The cost to educate the children.  The cost for health care for the family.  Cash assistance, phones.  Social workers who we pay to assure these people have everything they need.  A social worker to help them fill out aplications.  To teach them English as second language.  There are so many costs involved with people who were released and waiting for their date to meet the judge.  Many who disapear into the country and are never to be heard from again.  We pay for that.  People like me don't have unlimmitted income to raise other people's families.  The sanctuary city takes it our of my property tax and other state taxes, which are extremely high in sanctuary state.


I would say that there are plenty of people in Washington that voted for Trump believing that he was going to give us relief from this situation.  Instead he wants to send us bus loads of illegal immigrants.  He seems to think its a joke.  Like the image of him in this thread driving illegals to sanctuary cities.  Well I hope he does because people are sick of this and its hard to vote for the guy that takes more of your income.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 14, 2019, 05:01:21 pm
Illegal Immigrants are already all criminals, by virtue of having enter the USA illegally.  There is not a lot of semantic wiggle room there.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 14, 2019, 08:18:42 pm
Illegal Immigrants are already all criminals, by virtue of having enter the USA illegally.  There is not a lot of semantic wiggle room there.


And the Bible frowns on all law breaking.


@Rivergirl

Fact Check: Yes, Thousands of Americans Have Been Killed by Illegal Aliens

During President Trump’s Oval Office address, the president said, “thousands of Americans” have been killed by illegal aliens in the United States.
“Over the years, thousands of Americans have been brutally killed by those who illegally entered our country, and thousands more lives will be lost if we don’t act right now,” Trump said.
Other immigration reformers cite a Government Accountability Office (GAO) report in which they say the research reveals about 12 Americans a day are killed by illegal aliens, though the findings have been challenged by researchers. Immigration reformers have been frustrated for decades by the federal government’s lack of fully quantified data on the number of Americans killed every year by illegal aliens.
Trump mentioned a number of high-profile murder cases in his address, in which illegal aliens have been charged with murdering American citizens and legal immigrants living in the country. The most recent high-profile cases include the alleged illegal alien murder of 33-year-old police officer Ron Singh in California and the alleged killing of 22-year-old Pierce Corcoran in Tennessee by an illegal alien...………

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/08/fact-check-yes-thousands-of-americans-have-been-killed-by-illegal-aliens/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/08/fact-check-yes-thousands-of-americans-have-been-killed-by-illegal-aliens/)

Would you feel comforted knowing there are American criminals too if these victims were part of your family?

And more:

There are approximately 2.1 million legal or illegal immigrants with criminal convictions living free or behind bars in the U.S., according to ICE's Secure Communities office. Each year, about 900,000 legal and illegal immigrants are arrested, and 700,000 are released from jail, prison, or probation. ICE estimates that there are more than 1.2 million criminal aliens at large in the U.S.
In the most recent figures available, a Government Accountability Office report titled, "Criminal Alien Statistics," found there were 55,000 illegal immigrants in federal prison and 296,000 in state and local lockups in 2011. Experts agree those figures have almost certainly risen, although executive orders from the Obama administration may have changed the status of thousands who previously would have been counted as illegal immigrants.
Hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrant criminals are being deported. In 2014, ICE removed 315,943 criminal illegal immigrants nationwide, 85 percent of whom had previously been convicted of a criminal offense. But that same year, ICE released onto U.S. streets another 30,558 criminal illegal immigrants with a combined 79,059 criminal convictions including 86 homicides, 186 kidnappings, and thousands of sexual assaults, domestic violence assaults and DUIs, Vaughan said. As of August, ICE had already released at least 10,246 criminal aliens.
David Inserra, a policy analyst for Homeland Security and Cybersecurity at The Heritage Foundation, said letting illegal immigrants convicted of crimes go free while they await deportation hearings is putting the public at risk.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/elusive-crime-wave-data-shows-frightening-toll-of-illegal-immigrant-criminals (https://www.foxnews.com/us/elusive-crime-wave-data-shows-frightening-toll-of-illegal-immigrant-criminals)


And i just want to Thank Donald Trump so much for thinking about us here in Washington.  What a phony trying to pretend he cares about the families of the victims of illegal alien crime.  We just had a State Trooper killed in Eastern Washington.  The president is having fun with his sanctuary city rhetoric.  Aparently its a joke.


Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: skeeter on April 14, 2019, 08:30:42 pm

And the Bible frowns on all law breaking.


@Rivergirl

Fact Check: Yes, Thousands of Americans Have Been Killed by Illegal Aliens

During President Trump’s Oval Office address, the president said, “thousands of Americans” have been killed by illegal aliens in the United States.
“Over the years, thousands of Americans have been brutally killed by those who illegally entered our country, and thousands more lives will be lost if we don’t act right now,” Trump said.
Other immigration reformers cite a Government Accountability Office (GAO) report in which they say the research reveals about 12 Americans a day are killed by illegal aliens, though the findings have been challenged by researchers. Immigration reformers have been frustrated for decades by the federal government’s lack of fully quantified data on the number of Americans killed every year by illegal aliens.
Trump mentioned a number of high-profile murder cases in his address, in which illegal aliens have been charged with murdering American citizens and legal immigrants living in the country. The most recent high-profile cases include the alleged illegal alien murder of 33-year-old police officer Ron Singh in California and the alleged killing of 22-year-old Pierce Corcoran in Tennessee by an illegal alien...………

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/08/fact-check-yes-thousands-of-americans-have-been-killed-by-illegal-aliens/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/08/fact-check-yes-thousands-of-americans-have-been-killed-by-illegal-aliens/)

Would you feel comforted knowing there are American criminals too if these victims were part of your family?

And more:

There are approximately 2.1 million legal or illegal immigrants with criminal convictions living free or behind bars in the U.S., according to ICE's Secure Communities office. Each year, about 900,000 legal and illegal immigrants are arrested, and 700,000 are released from jail, prison, or probation. ICE estimates that there are more than 1.2 million criminal aliens at large in the U.S.
In the most recent figures available, a Government Accountability Office report titled, "Criminal Alien Statistics," found there were 55,000 illegal immigrants in federal prison and 296,000 in state and local lockups in 2011. Experts agree those figures have almost certainly risen, although executive orders from the Obama administration may have changed the status of thousands who previously would have been counted as illegal immigrants.
Hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrant criminals are being deported. In 2014, ICE removed 315,943 criminal illegal immigrants nationwide, 85 percent of whom had previously been convicted of a criminal offense. But that same year, ICE released onto U.S. streets another 30,558 criminal illegal immigrants with a combined 79,059 criminal convictions including 86 homicides, 186 kidnappings, and thousands of sexual assaults, domestic violence assaults and DUIs, Vaughan said. As of August, ICE had already released at least 10,246 criminal aliens.
David Inserra, a policy analyst for Homeland Security and Cybersecurity at The Heritage Foundation, said letting illegal immigrants convicted of crimes go free while they await deportation hearings is putting the public at risk.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/elusive-crime-wave-data-shows-frightening-toll-of-illegal-immigrant-criminals (https://www.foxnews.com/us/elusive-crime-wave-data-shows-frightening-toll-of-illegal-immigrant-criminals)


And i just want to Thank Donald Trump so much for thinking about us here in Washington.  What a phony trying to pretend he cares about the families of the victims of illegal alien crime.  We just had a State Trooper killed in Eastern Washington.  The president is having fun with his sanctuary city rhetoric.  Aparently its a joke.

The antipathy you reserve only towards the president on this issue makes me wonder if you're being totally honest about your reasons for disliking him.

That he's done more good on this issue than any other republican president since Eisenhower seems to matter not at all to you. I wish he'd go nuclear as well, but come on.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 14, 2019, 08:46:18 pm
The antipathy you reserve only towards the president on this issue makes me wonder if you're being totally honest about your reasons for disliking him.

That he's done more good on this issue than any other republican president since Eisenhower seems to matter not at all to you. I wish he'd go nuclear as well, but come on.


What other reason can you think of?  I am totally honest.  I don't like him.  He thinks its a joke to dump more illegal immigrants into Washington.  I don't think its funny.  We have some of the highest tax rates.  A good percentage goes to social benefits that illegal immigrants take advantage of.  Plus I work in manufacturing.  Those people that don't make enough to take care of their families make the same as I do.  But I don't get all the benefits, and I wouldn't .  There is no deception with me.  I have stood firm the entire time I have been here.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 14, 2019, 09:08:35 pm
Take a look back at what our government, in its totality, has been ignoring for years.  We would not be talking about this, never mind fighting to stop it, if were not for the man you do not like:  President Donald Trump.  Instead of bashing him at every turn @Chosen Daughter you should be voicing your support for him and marching on Washington demanding Congress acts on immigration reform.

Here, take a look in the rearview mirror:

Quote
Obama aides were warned of brewing border crisis
Washington Post, Jul 19, 2014,  David Nakamura, Jerry Markon and Manuel Roig-Franzia

[...]

But top officials at the White House and the State Department had been warned repeatedly of the potential for a further explosion in the number of migrant children since the crisis began escalating two years ago, according to former federal officials and others familiar with internal discussions. The White House was directly involved in efforts in early 2012 to care for the children when it helped negotiate a temporary shelter at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio.

“There were warning signs, operational folks raising red flags to high levels in terms of this being a potential issue,” said one former senior federal law enforcement official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to talk candidly about internal operations.

The former official said the agencies primarily in charge of border security, Customs and Border Protection and Immigration and Customs Enforcement, were “ringing alarm bells” within the administration.

Meanwhile, top officials focused much of their attention on political battles, such as Obama’s 2012 reelection campaign and the push to win congressional support for a broad immigration overhaul, that would have been made more difficult with the addition of a high-profile border crisis.

“I don’t think they ignored this on purpose, but they didn’t know what to do,” said Michelle Brané, director of migrant rights at the Women’s Refugee Commission, which published a 2012 report highlighting the influx of minors. “For whatever reason, there was hesi­ta­tion to address the root causes. I think the administration was dealing with it at a minimal scale, putting a Band-Aid on something they should have been thinking about holistically.”



More:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-aides-were-warned-of-brewing-border-crisis/2014/07/19/8b5d2282-0d1b-11e4-b8e5-d0de80767fc2_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8059f43408b5 (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-aides-were-warned-of-brewing-border-crisis/2014/07/19/8b5d2282-0d1b-11e4-b8e5-d0de80767fc2_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8059f43408b5)
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: EdJames on April 14, 2019, 09:23:19 pm
The antipathy you reserve only towards the president on this issue makes me wonder if you're being totally honest about your reasons for disliking him.

That he's done more good on this issue than any other republican president since Eisenhower seems to matter not at all to you. I wish he'd go nuclear as well, but come on.

I'm not @Chosen Daughter but I will tell you why he has me fit to be tied on this issue.

It is because of his BS blustery approach on it.  To be completely honest (and yes, you can call me a dope!) I figured that all of this crap that he does (the lying, the boasting, the Twitter crap, speaking in what is essentially broken English, to be kind) would all go away after he won the election.  But obviously it hasn't.

And before I go further, obviously if he is the 2020 candidate I will vote for him over any Dem they put up.

But I see him as a royal embarrassment.  My preference is always someone that talks seriously about serious issues.  Trump has been a circus sideshow on this issue since the start and it disgusts me every time he opens his mouth or thumbs on this subject.

Let us know the FACTS of the matter in a serious manner, befitting a President of the United States.  If all of the excuses that his rabid supporters constantly spew are true, then let him spell them out: in proper English, citing statutes, the Constitution, judicial decisions, and acts of Congress.  Spell out the facts of the matter without lying, blustering, and all of the continual attempts to pull the wool over the eyes of the poor souls that cheer his every word on the circus rally stage, or Twitter feed.

What is happening to this country (essentially being destroyed a little more each day) is no laughing, joking, bluffing matter to be used as red meat for his pathetic base, or as campaign fodder for 2020.  For example:
- hyping up this "Finish the Wall" BS at his rallies when he knows damn well there is essentially NO NEW WALL/FENCE in the ground.
- talking like a jackass about replacement fencing: "it is harder to climb my fence than Mt. Everest!"

He thinks this is funny?  He thinks this is truthful?  I detest the BS that comes out of his mouth.

That is why I have long lost any patience or good will toward him on this topic.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: libertybele on April 14, 2019, 09:42:16 pm
Take a look back at what our government, in its totality, has been ignoring for years.  We would not be talking about this, never mind fighting to stop it, if were not for the man you do not like:  President Donald Trump.  Instead of bashing him at every turn @Chosen Daughter you should be voicing your support for him and marching on Washington demanding Congress acts on immigration reform.

Here, take a look in the rearview mirror:

Sure if you want to take another look.  Most of us are well aware that this problem has been going on for decades. The issue was brought to focus by various different groups when 'W' was president; certainly 9-11 was a wake up call.  These various different groups advocated for LEGAL immigration and were anti-illegal immigration.  So, so many people were in denial and didn't see a problem, but some actually began to realize what was happening. Various groups were very successful in holding back amnesty and encouraging legislation and under 'W' the Secure Fence Act of 2006 was signed.  We all realize that it was never fully funded, but a large portion was built and yes, something was done!  Laws were already on the books and again with encouragement from various different groups, laws were beginning to be enforced again.  Border patrol was increased.  ICE became more active.

Illegal immigration wasn't a focus under Bammy, but there were record deportations (supposedly reported) and he also brought us DACA, etc.  He worked under the radar and less focus mean less opposition for him.  Yes, caravans were coming in, they just didn't draw the attention that Trump has demanded, nor was the invasion so widespread and continuous. 

Currently under the Trump administration, we have seen more illegal 'crossings' then ever before.  It is being reported that illegals from 50 countries are making their way here. This is happening on his watch.  Why is that?  Because everyone wants to blame Trump?  Because Congress still won't budge?  Or is it perhaps he brought such focus to the border that those that want to come here or saw an opportunity to come to serve their own purposes heard that there was going to be a big beautiful wall and they better come before it was built?

Now, since he's tweeted and threatened many times and has done nothing ... they now know he has lost credibility.  So they continue to come because the door is wide open, courtesy of DJT.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 14, 2019, 09:48:07 pm
Take a look back at what our government, in its totality, has been ignoring for years.  We would not be talking about this, never mind fighting to stop it, if were not for the man you do not like:  President Donald Trump.  Instead of bashing him at every turn @Chosen Daughter you should be voicing your support for him and marching on Washington demanding Congress acts on immigration reform.

Here, take a look in the rearview mirror:


What has he done? 


Trump wasn't the only one talking about immigration.


Build a wall instead of massive amnesty plan

Q [to Sen. Rubio]: You describe a very long path, but does that path end at citizenship?
RUBIO: After ten years in probationary status, where all they have is a permit, I personally am open to allowing people to apply for a green card. That may not be a majority position in my party, but that's down the road. You can't even begin that process until you prove to people--not just pass a law that says you're gonna bring illegal immigration under control--you're gonna have to do it and prove to people that it's working.

CRUZ: There was a time for choosing, as Reagan put it. There was a battle over amnesty and some chose, like Senator Rubio, to stand with Barack Obama and Chuck Schumer and support a massive amnesty plan. Others chose to stand with the American people and secure the border. And I tell you, if I'm elected president, we will secure the border. We will triple the border patrol. We will build a wall that works and I'll get Donald Trump to pay for it.
Source: 2015 CNN/Salem Republican two-tier debate , Dec 15, 2015


See here for more quotes:


http://www.ontheissues.org/International/Ted_Cruz_Immigration.htm (http://www.ontheissues.org/International/Ted_Cruz_Immigration.htm)
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: libertybele on April 14, 2019, 09:54:20 pm
I ain't @Chosen Daughter but I will tell you why he has me fit to be tied on this issue.

It is because of his BS blustery approach on it.  To be completely honest (and yes, you can call me a dope!) I figured that all of this crap that he does (the lying, the boasting, the Twitter crap, speaking in what is essentially broken English, to be kind) would all go away after he won the election.  But obviously it hasn't.

And before I go further, obviously if he is the 2020 candidate I will vote for him over any Dem they put up.

But I see him as a royal embarrassment.  My preference is always someone that talks seriously about serious issues.  Trump has been a circus sideshow on this issue since the start and it disgusts me every time he opens his mouth or thumbs on this subject.

Let us know the FACTS of the matter in a serious manner, befitting a President of the United States.  If all of the excuses that his rabid supporters constantly spew are true, then let him spell them out: in proper English, citing statutes, the Constitution, judicial decisions, and acts of Congress.  Spell out the facts of the matter without lying, blustering, and all of the continual attempts to pull the wool over the eyes of the poor souls that cheer his every word on the circus rally stage, or Twitter feed.

What is happening to this country (essentially being destroyed a little more each day) is no laughing, joking, bluffing matter to be used as red meat for his pathetic base, or as campaign fodder for 2020.  For example:
- hyping up this "Finish the Wall" BS at his rallies when he knows damn well there is essentially NO NEW WALL/FENCE in the ground.


- talking like a jackass about replacement fencing: "it is harder to climb my fence than Mt. Everest!"

He thinks this is funny?  He thinks this is truthful?  I detest the BS that comes out of his mouth.

That is why I have long lost any patience or good will toward him on this topic.

Great post!!!  888high58888
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 14, 2019, 10:01:36 pm
I'm not @Chosen Daughter but I will tell you why he has me fit to be tied on this issue.

It is because of his BS blustery approach on it.  To be completely honest (and yes, you can call me a dope!) I figured that all of this crap that he does (the lying, the boasting, the Twitter crap, speaking in what is essentially broken English, to be kind) would all go away after he won the election.  But obviously it hasn't.

And before I go further, obviously if he is the 2020 candidate I will vote for him over any Dem they put up.

But I see him as a royal embarrassment.  My preference is always someone that talks seriously about serious issues.  Trump has been a circus sideshow on this issue since the start and it disgusts me every time he opens his mouth or thumbs on this subject.

Let us know the FACTS of the matter in a serious manner, befitting a President of the United States.  If all of the excuses that his rabid supporters constantly spew are true, then let him spell them out: in proper English, citing statutes, the Constitution, judicial decisions, and acts of Congress.  Spell out the facts of the matter without lying, blustering, and all of the continual attempts to pull the wool over the eyes of the poor souls that cheer his every word on the circus rally stage, or Twitter feed.

What is happening to this country (essentially being destroyed a little more each day) is no laughing, joking, bluffing matter to be used as red meat for his pathetic base, or as campaign fodder for 2020.  For example:
- hyping up this "Finish the Wall" BS at his rallies when he knows damn well there is essentially NO NEW WALL/FENCE in the ground.
- talking like a jackass about replacement fencing: "it is harder to climb my fence than Mt. Everest!"

He thinks this is funny?  He thinks this is truthful?  I detest the BS that comes out of his mouth.

That is why I have long lost any patience or good will toward him on this topic.


Great post!
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 14, 2019, 10:31:40 pm
Senator Lindsey Graham on immigration.  Rating of 27% by USBP

http://www.ontheissues.org/International/Lindsey_Graham_Immigration.htm (http://www.ontheissues.org/International/Lindsey_Graham_Immigration.htm)

Donald Trump on Immigration:

http://www.ontheissues.org/2020/Donald_Trump_Immigration.htm (http://www.ontheissues.org/2020/Donald_Trump_Immigration.htm)
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: DCPatriot on April 14, 2019, 10:37:32 pm
I'm not @Chosen Daughter but I will tell you why he has me fit to be tied on this issue.

It is because of his BS blustery approach on it.  To be completely honest (and yes, you can call me a dope!) I figured that all of this crap that he does (the lying, the boasting, the Twitter crap, speaking in what is essentially broken English, to be kind) would all go away after he won the election.  But obviously it hasn't.

And before I go further, obviously if he is the 2020 candidate I will vote for him over any Dem they put up.

But I see him as a royal embarrassment.  My preference is always someone that talks seriously about serious issues.  Trump has been a circus sideshow on this issue since the start and it disgusts me every time he opens his mouth or thumbs on this subject.

Let us know the FACTS of the matter in a serious manner, befitting a President of the United States.  If all of the excuses that his rabid supporters constantly spew are true, then let him spell them out: in proper English, citing statutes, the Constitution, judicial decisions, and acts of Congress.  Spell out the facts of the matter without lying, blustering, and all of the continual attempts to pull the wool over the eyes of the poor souls that cheer his every word on the circus rally stage, or Twitter feed.

What is happening to this country (essentially being destroyed a little more each day) is no laughing, joking, bluffing matter to be used as red meat for his pathetic base, or as campaign fodder for 2020.  For example:
- hyping up this "Finish the Wall" BS at his rallies when he knows damn well there is essentially NO NEW WALL/FENCE in the ground.
- talking like a jackass about replacement fencing: "it is harder to climb my fence than Mt. Everest!"

He thinks this is funny?  He thinks this is truthful?  I detest the BS that comes out of his mouth.

That is why I have long lost any patience or good will toward him on this topic.

Like it or not...., with the rabid left on social media and the media's power to bury whatever they want, President Trump's 'In-your-face' style is the perfect antidote to break through the fog of deceit.

Start with the premise that he loves this country more than life itself...and leave it there.

I sleep well at night with him in the White House.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 14, 2019, 11:14:10 pm
Sure if you want to take another look.  Most of us are well aware that this problem has been going on for decades. The issue was brought to focus by various different groups when 'W' was president; certainly 9-11 was a wake up call.

I don't remember shrub wanting to close the border or tighten immigration laws ---even after 9-11.  I remember him telling us for years that immigrants do the jobs Americans don't want to do.  I don't remember Obama wanting to close the border or tighten immigration laws even after he was warned of the brewing crisis.  He gave us DACA and transported those kids to red states --- without so much as a cough from Republicans.

Face it ... your government has been letting you down since Reagan agreed to amnesy .... with one exception.  And I know you know his name but I won't post it.  It seems to be a type of trigger for you.   :laugh:

Quote
Now, since he's tweeted and threatened many times and has done nothing ... they now know he has lost credibility.  So they continue to come because the door is wide open, courtesy of DJT. 

You may or may not be aware of this @libertybele --- your posts are taking on a crazy Miss Havisham tone.  I hope getting help with this isn't out of the question.   :beer:
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 14, 2019, 11:19:14 pm
I'm not @Chosen Daughter but I will tell you why he has me fit to be tied on this issue.

It is because of his BS blustery approach on it. 

Okay .. you're easily offended by men who fight.  I applaud your candor.  If memory serves, this is where the President would say "no go home to mommy".   88devil
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 14, 2019, 11:51:31 pm
Okay .. you're easily offended by men who fight.  I applaud your candor.  If memory serves, this is where the President would say "no go home to mommy".   88devil


Yeah I could just imagine him saying that.  No I can hear it in my ears.  That voice.  Professional that he is.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 15, 2019, 12:06:24 am

Yeah I could just imagine him saying that.  No I can hear it in my ears.  That voice.  Professional that he is.

No need to imagine it @Chosen Daughter  ... Watch one of the President's rallies when a protestor or two tries to disrupt the event.  You'll hear it then.

It's a crowd pleaser.   :laugh:
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: sneakypete on April 15, 2019, 12:14:10 am
Like it or not...., with the rabid left on social media and the media's power to bury whatever they want, President Trump's 'In-your-face' style is the perfect antidote to break through the fog of deceit.

Start with the premise that he loves this country more than life itself...and leave it there.

I sleep well at night with him in the White House.

@DCPatriot

More than that,if he were to speak in the moderate PC tones of the career politicians,nobody reading the papers or listening to the tv news would have any idea he was doing anything other than supporting illegal aliens. It's his "in your face bluster" that insures what he says gets reported and gives people heart that changes will be made.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: truth_seeker on April 15, 2019, 01:28:15 am
#nevertrump derangement syndrome on display, and  rules the day--with the loudest voices

(2019-1954) =65 years with a great big booster shot in 1986.

And you expect Trump to reverse and correct that in 2 years against the democrats, the media, many Republicans.

I stated years ago that math and logic were clearly in short supply with contemporary "true conservatives."


Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: libertybele on April 15, 2019, 01:40:39 am
I don't remember shrub wanting to close the border or tighten immigration laws ---even after 9-11.  I remember him telling us for years that immigrants do the jobs Americans don't want to do.  I don't remember Obama wanting to close the border or tighten immigration laws even after he was warned of the brewing crisis.  He gave us DACA and transported those kids to red states --- without so much as a cough from Republicans.

Face it ... your government has been letting you down since Reagan agreed to amnesy .... with one exception.  And I know you know his name but I won't post it.  It seems to be a type of trigger for you.   :laugh:

You may or may not be aware of this @libertybele --- your posts are taking on a crazy Miss Havisham tone.  I hope getting help with this isn't out of the question.   :beer:

You're quite delusional.  Once again ... attacking others.  That seems to be a habit of yours.  The only one that needs help @Right_in_Virginia is you.  You don't seem to understand that you've been duped by Trump...the only craziness is your obsession with your supposed super hero and your refusal to hold him responsible for his FAILURE on the border!  You'll have to face that harsh reality sooner or later.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: libertybele on April 15, 2019, 01:45:51 am
It used to be that members of this forum didn't attack one another.  Attacking politicians, reporters, leftist, yes, each other no.  Very sad that this forum has become this way. 
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 15, 2019, 02:14:18 am
You're quite delusional.  Once again ... attacking others.  That seems to be a habit of yours.  The only one that needs help @Right_in_Virginia is you.  You don't seem to understand that you've been duped by Trump...the only craziness is your obsession with your supposed super hero and your refusal to hold him responsible for his FAILURE on the border!  You'll have to face that harsh reality sooner or later.

I stand by my opinion stated in the post, Miss @libertybele

Sleep tight.   happy77
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: EdJames on April 15, 2019, 02:21:08 am
Like it or not...., with the rabid left on social media and the media's power to bury whatever they want, President Trump's 'In-your-face' style is the perfect antidote to break through the fog of deceit.

He isn't breaking through anything on this topic because all he is doing is lying, blustering, and making a fool of himself.  The media is happy to cover his Tweets as they are great exhibits of his utter ineptitude.

Start with the premise that he loves this country more than life itself...and leave it there.

Why would anyone that doesn't know him personally (for a long period of time) believe that?  It is foolish to believe the platitudes and sap emanating from any politician.  You believe it, because you WANT to believe it.

I sleep well at night with him in the White House.

Good for you!  However that does nothing to alleviate the problems that he has been making worse.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: EdJames on April 15, 2019, 02:25:59 am
Okay .. you're easily offended by men who fight.  I applaud your candor.  If memory serves, this is where the President would say "no go home to mommy".   88devil

 :silly:

You are a bigger fool that Trump is if you call that "fighting!" 

He does nothing but spew BS, platitudes, and bluffs, while he tosses out red meat for his true believers.

In two years he has not one solid accomplishment on this issue.  In fact, in the larger context his administration is making things worse by their sneaky pandering to the Chamber of Commerce and Business Roundtable.  Trump says one thing at the circus rallies while Kushner quietly directs an ever increasing flood of H1B and other visas into the job market.

If you call being a duplicitous jackal, "fighting," then I guess you have your "fighter!"
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: EdJames on April 15, 2019, 02:27:59 am
@DCPatriot

More than that,if he were to speak in the moderate PC tones of the career politicians,nobody reading the papers or listening to the tv news would have any idea he was doing anything other than supporting illegal aliens. It's his "in your face bluster" that insures what he says gets reported and gives people heart that changes will be made.

Yes, he certainly succeeds at giving people the impression that changes will be made.  He is EXCELLENT at that, since he has been nothing but a BS promoter and sales scheister his whole life.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: EdJames on April 15, 2019, 02:29:55 am
#nevertrump derangement syndrome on display, and  rules the day--with the loudest voices

(2019-1954) =65 years with a great big booster shot in 1986.

And you expect Trump to reverse and correct that in 2 years against the democrats, the media, many Republicans.

I stated years ago that math and logic were clearly in short supply with contemporary "true conservatives."

It has nothing to do with math or logic.

What a great deal of people would like from him is some TRUTH!

Making things worse while constantly spewing his lies and false promises isn't doing a thing to "correct" the problem.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: EdJames on April 15, 2019, 02:31:28 am
You're quite delusional.  Once again ... attacking others.  That seems to be a habit of yours.  The only one that needs help @Right_in_Virginia is you.  You don't seem to understand that you've been duped by Trump...the only craziness is your obsession with your supposed super hero and your refusal to hold him responsible for his FAILURE on the border!  You'll have to face that harsh reality sooner or later.

I see the same blindness and burning DESIRE to BELIEVE in the "Q" worshipers, it must be something that is contagious.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: truth_seeker on April 15, 2019, 02:48:46 am
It used to be that members of this forum didn't attack one another.  Attacking politicians, reporters, leftist, yes, each other no.  Very sad that this forum has become this way.

I guess you weren't paying attention here  when Trump's  supporters were  called stupid, uneducated, racists, nazis, fascists, stormtroopers, goosesteppers, hitler admirerers, Russian sympathizers, to only mention some of the derision served up.

It has been the norm to attack RIV, for her steady support of the President.

Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 15, 2019, 02:52:44 am
It used to be that members of this forum didn't attack one another.  Attacking politicians, reporters, leftist, yes, each other no.  Very sad that this forum has become this way.

We have a link at the bottom of each post.  When you get to feeling that way, please click it and enter a report.  We don't have a full-time staff of Moderators patrolling the threads, we are reliant upon reports from you to alert to issues that need to be addressed.  Usually, if we decide not to act on it, we'll IM you to tell you why.  Sometimes we just warn the person you reported, other times we edit or delete the post.  We haven't gotten many lately.  We are reliant on our Members to police themselves.

Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on April 15, 2019, 03:17:14 am
I'm not @Chosen Daughter but I will tell you why he has me fit to be tied on this issue.

It is because of his BS blustery approach on it.  To be completely honest (and yes, you can call me a dope!) I figured that all of this crap that he does (the lying, the boasting, the Twitter crap, speaking in what is essentially broken English, to be kind) would all go away after he won the election.  But obviously it hasn't.

And before I go further, obviously if he is the 2020 candidate I will vote for him over any Dem they put up.

But I see him as a royal embarrassment.  My preference is always someone that talks seriously about serious issues.  Trump has been a circus sideshow on this issue since the start and it disgusts me every time he opens his mouth or thumbs on this subject.

Let us know the FACTS of the matter in a serious manner, befitting a President of the United States.  If all of the excuses that his rabid supporters constantly spew are true, then let him spell them out: in proper English, citing statutes, the Constitution, judicial decisions, and acts of Congress.  Spell out the facts of the matter without lying, blustering, and all of the continual attempts to pull the wool over the eyes of the poor souls that cheer his every word on the circus rally stage, or Twitter feed.

What is happening to this country (essentially being destroyed a little more each day) is no laughing, joking, bluffing matter to be used as red meat for his pathetic base, or as campaign fodder for 2020.  For example:
- hyping up this "Finish the Wall" BS at his rallies when he knows damn well there is essentially NO NEW WALL/FENCE in the ground.
- talking like a jackass about replacement fencing: "it is harder to climb my fence than Mt. Everest!"

He thinks this is funny?  He thinks this is truthful?  I detest the BS that comes out of his mouth.

That is why I have long lost any patience or good will toward him on this topic.

@EdJames

In the end, though, BSing and talking are all that he has to do.  His fans will defend him regardless, and he knows it.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on April 15, 2019, 03:44:17 am
@EdJames

In the end, though, BSing and talking are all that he has to do.  His fans will defend him regardless, and he knows it.

The reason he's largely limited to BS'ing and talking is that the Constitution makes immigration law the primary responsibility of Congress, and it has essentially abdicated that responsibility.  And even if the Supreme Court ultimately upholds his actions, it can take years for that to happen, during which time an injunction may remain in place.

The best hope we've got is for him to be able to draw enough public attention to this issue -- on which the poll numbers actually favor tougher border security.  Sober, rational, deep-thinking statements don't attract sound bites, aren't covered by much of the media, and so his ability to draw attention to those issues is limited.  But when he says over the top, ridiculous things, the media covers it because they assume everyone thinks as they do, and so it will hurt his popularity.  But that brings to mind the brilliant comment by Salena Zito -- the press takes him literally but not seriously, so they mock him.  But supporters (and that group is larger on some issues than on others) take him seriously, but not literally. He may say something that sounds stupid about the border, but an awful lot of people end of thinking "well, that's over the top, but he does have a point.  The border needs to be more secure."

It's sad that we've gotten to the point where making some asinine statements may turn out to be a sound strategy, but I blame that on an overwhelmingly one-sided media that generally only prints things it believes will hurt Trump.  The kicker is that their judgments as to whether a statement will help or hurt him isn't all that good.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on April 15, 2019, 03:58:49 am
It used to be that members of this forum didn't attack one another.  Attacking politicians, reporters, leftist, yes, each other no.  Very sad that this forum has become this way.

@libertybele

Politics is different now.  I used to lurk here for a dose of sense and reason when things were getting crazy at TOS.  But the Trump effect has wormed its way into just about every corner where right-leaning people hang out.  It was always going to happen.  The showman who bragged about the size of his dong is president.  His fans don’t care about results—they’re concerned with important things like rallies where they can chant “lock her up” even though the guy they came to see has admitted he ain’t gonna do no such thing.  It’s the show, the entertainment. 

So the political underbelly flips over and rises to the surface.   Paranoia, conspiracy theories, blind tribalism.  If you don’t go along with the hive mind, you’re one of Them.  It’s routine now to be called a leftist here.  I got a permanent ban—later changed to a day—for going off on someone because I got tired of it.  I’d do it again.

You see a lot more of the Freeper mindset here now.  But it was inevitable once Trump got in.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on April 15, 2019, 04:03:23 am
The reason he's largely limited to BS'ing and talking is that the Constitution makes immigration law the primary responsibility of Congress, and it has essentially abdicated that responsibility.  And even if the Supreme Court ultimately upholds his actions, it can take years for that to happen, during which time an injunction may remain in place.

The best hope we've got is for him to be able to draw enough public attention to this issue -- on which the poll numbers actually favor tougher border security.  Sober, rational, deep-thinking statements don't attract sound bites, aren't covered by much of the media, and so his ability to draw attention to those issues is limited.  But when he says over the top, ridiculous things, the media covers it because they assume everyone thinks as they do, and so it will hurt his popularity.  But that brings to mind the brilliant comment by Salena Zito -- the press takes him literally but not seriously, so they mock him.  But supporters (and that group is larger on some issues than on others) take him seriously, but not literally. He may say something that sounds stupid about the border, but an awful lot of people end of thinking "well, that's over the top, but he does have a point.  The border needs to be more secure."

It's sad that we've gotten to the point where making some asinine statements may turn out to be a sound strategy, but I blame that on an overwhelmingly one-sided media that generally only prints things it believes will hurt Trump.  The kicker is that their judgments as to whether a statement will help or hurt him isn't all that good.

@Maj. Bill Martin

I know.  Trump never seems to own a share of the blame. 

I do agree with you about Salena Zito.  She follows me on Twitter for some unimaginable reason.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on April 15, 2019, 04:18:11 am
:silly:

You are a bigger fool that Trump is if you call that "fighting!" 

He does nothing but spew BS, platitudes, and bluffs, while he tosses out red meat for his true believers.

In two years he has not one solid accomplishment on this issue.  In fact, in the larger context his administration is making things worse by their sneaky pandering to the Chamber of Commerce and Business Roundtable.  Trump says one thing at the circus rallies while Kushner quietly directs an ever increasing flood of H1B and other visas into the job market.

If you call being a duplicitous jackal, "fighting," then I guess you have your "fighter!"

But don't you understand, HE'S ON TWITTER!!!
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 15, 2019, 04:28:24 am
I see the same blindness and burning DESIRE to BELIEVE in the "Q" worshipers, it must be something that is contagious.


Q anon is very cultish.  People always wonder how others could be caught up in a cult.  Call it contagious or whatever.  "Q" is wierd

Who is Q Anon

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/12/qanon-4chan-the-storm-conspiracy-explained.html (http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/12/qanon-4chan-the-storm-conspiracy-explained.html)


Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 15, 2019, 04:31:12 am
@libertybele

Politics is different now.  I used to lurk here for a dose of sense and reason when things were getting crazy at TOS.  But the Trump effect has wormed its way into just about every corner where right-leaning people hang out.  It was always going to happen.  The showman who bragged about the size of his dong is president.  His fans don’t care about results—they’re concerned with important things like rallies where they can chant “lock her up” even though the guy they came to see has admitted he ain’t gonna do no such thing.  It’s the show, the entertainment. 

So the political underbelly flips over and rises to the surface.   Paranoia, conspiracy theories, blind tribalism.  If you don’t go along with the hive mind, you’re one of Them.  It’s routine now to be called a leftist here.  I got a permanent ban—later changed to a day—for going off on someone because I got tired of it.  I’d do it again.


You see a lot more of the Freeper mindset here now.  But it was inevitable once Trump got in.



Truth.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 15, 2019, 04:34:11 am
@Maj. Bill Martin

I know.  Trump never seems to own a share of the blame. 

I do agree with you about Salena Zito.  She follows me on Twitter for some unimaginable reason.


He doesn't take any blame.  He signed the amnesty legislation.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 15, 2019, 05:17:52 am
Come on, man.

My county in Maryland...Montgomery, borders D.C..

As a career Realtor, I have watched and commented about the transformation of its population from Caucasian to Hispanic and African for 20 years.

Are you naive enough to believe that happened by accident?

I'm not naive enough to think man has much power to change demographics without war or attrocities.
 
https://apl.wisc.edu/data-briefs/natural-decrease-18
White Deaths Exceed Births in a Majority of U.S. States
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Between 1999 and 2016, the number of white births fell by 10.8 percent to 2,094,000 and the number of white deaths rose by 9.2 percent to 2,133,000.

The white baby boomers are dying, and white families have chosen not to breed themselves into poverty.  They are having children later and later in life.  Fewer young families mean fewer children to grow into parents.  Soros didn't sprinkle blacks in Washington DC.  The vast majority were born there or they legally emigrated by boat or plane. 

I'm not sure this is a good response to your post because I don't understand why presumably American born blacks are referenced at all, when the topic is illegals.  The only dangerous illegal we are building a wall to keep out is to the south.  I don't think the problem in DC is stretching all the way down to Mexico.

If your point is that liberal social welfare attracted poor minorities to DC, I agree, but the color of America is changing everywhere else too.  Without leftist non-profit sprinkling.

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The Democrats and the Leftist non-profits funded by same deliberately sprinkled them into States that were once 'RED'.  California, for example.

Now, let's do a turn-around Cloward-Piven on them....overload their State and County systems.  Turn every effing one of them into disease-ridden and filthy San Francisco and Seattle.

Let's see how long it takes them to 'tap out' and cry "Uncle".

If the liberal cities are already attracting the unwanted illegals, why pay for the ride there?  They're already on their way.  Also I've never gone to a big city and said "Wow!  It's so clean here."

I feel certain I am missing your point, but I'm interested in having you help me understand it better.  Thanx for the reply.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 15, 2019, 05:20:31 am
A thought provoking post, @Once-Ler.  Thank you.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: sneakypete on April 15, 2019, 09:47:57 am
It used to be that members of this forum didn't attack one another.  Attacking politicians, reporters, leftist, yes, each other no.  Very sad that this forum has become this way.

@libertybele

Says one of the biggest instigators.

Wouldn't your time be better spent working on your RINO Shrine and collector cards?
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: sneakypete on April 15, 2019, 09:53:06 am
:silly:

You are a bigger fool that Trump is if you call that "fighting!" 

He does nothing but spew BS, platitudes, and bluffs, while he tosses out red meat for his true believers.

 

@EdJames

Unlike WHICH of your RINO Idols? Name ONE alleged Republican president since Reagan that has accomplished anything even remotely conservative?

Unless of course you are one of those who consider surrendering to the One World Order/World Wide Government,Inc to be conservative. In that case say nothing at all. I have already heard it all from the last several alleged Republican Presidents and their groupies,and don't need to hear it again.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on April 15, 2019, 11:13:31 am
:silly:

You are a bigger fool that Trump is if you call that "fighting!"   

And you are a bigger fool than you think your nemesis is if you think this is what I said @EdJames





Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: dancer on April 15, 2019, 12:22:21 pm
 888high58888
Explain why Pelosi and Horizontal Harris is screaming mad about all the terrible people Trump is going to "dump" on them.  Then explain why all these loving, open-arms people are now declaring the illegals "trouble."  Heck of a pivot there.

Gotta love it.  Cher says they're already having a hard time caring for their own homeless.   
But..but Cher.  What of the benefits of diversity?  The cultural enrichment? The wealth illegals bring?   
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: sneakypete on April 15, 2019, 12:28:34 pm
888high58888Gotta love it.  Cher says they're already having a hard time caring for their own homeless.   
But..but Cher.  What of the benefits of diversity?  The cultural enrichment? The wealth illegals bring?

@dancer

Somebody correct me if I am wrong,but doesn't Cher own at least two mansions in CA,and live alone? Why can't she and the other celebs that "care more than the rest of us" invite these illegals into their homes so they have a place to stay? After all,they have plenty of room and can easily afford to buy their groceries and pay their medical bills.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on April 15, 2019, 01:16:04 pm
@Maj. Bill Martin

I know.  Trump never seems to own a share of the blame

He is clearly a very flawed human being.  I just don't see the point in dwelling on that when there already are tens of millions of people who voted against and hate the guy, and who advocate for his removal from office before he's even completed his elected term of office.  Their efforts to prevent him from accomplishing anything are aided and abetted by a mainstream meadia that is generally -- with some exceptions -- complicit in that attempt to weaken him.  It's basically 24/7 "Trump is horrible, and for the good of the country we must remove him from office".

So in light of that, exactly what do his GOP critics hope to accomplish by piling on?
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: bilo on April 15, 2019, 02:11:00 pm
I guess you weren't paying attention here  when Trump's  supporters were  called stupid, uneducated, racists, nazis, fascists, stormtroopers, goosesteppers, hitler admirerers, Russian sympathizers, to only mention some of the derision served up.

It has been the norm to attack RIV, for her steady support of the President.

IIRC, it cut both ways. A lot of Cruz supporters, or those that just didn't trust Trump's overnight conversion to conservatism, were called all kinds of things.

Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Rivergirl on April 15, 2019, 02:13:00 pm
Speaking of Trump's duplicity on every issue...…………..now sending Sarah out to suggest that this congress is too dumb to understand Trump's tax returns.   So, were the republicans in the last congress also too dumb?
If you all want to cheer on his ravings, feel free to do so but to denigrate those of us who will never ever support this man for any office is laughable.   The things you are happy to defend are indefensible...…..IMHO.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: bilo on April 15, 2019, 02:27:53 pm
He is clearly a very flawed human being.  I just don't see the point in dwelling on that when there already are tens of millions of people who voted against and hate the guy, and who advocate for his removal from office before he's even completed his elected term of office.  Their efforts to prevent him from accomplishing anything are aided and abetted by a mainstream meadia that is generally -- with some exceptions -- complicit in that attempt to weaken him.  It's basically 24/7 "Trump is horrible, and for the good of the country we must remove him from office".

So in light of that, exactly what do his GOP critics hope to accomplish by piling on?

Ultimately that attitude led me to look at what he has been proposing and been willing to take on and I became a supporter.

He's is not a "genteel" man. He is brash and will answer any question asked of him. However, his instincts are spot on about what the country wants to see the govt. take on. His foreign policy has been very good. His economic policy has been good. His selection of judges has been good (you never know with them, though). He is right about immigration and border security and he is right about health insurance reform. Unfortunately for him, the Pub party are a bunch of gutless wonders and don't want to back him in any meaningful way.

I think he's making progress. It's just a tough fight when the Rat party doesn't want to solve anything, the media are propagandists for the left and the Pubs are married to the Chamber of Commerce.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: bilo on April 15, 2019, 02:29:27 pm
Speaking of Trump's duplicity on every issue...…………..now sending Sarah out to suggest that this congress is too dumb to understand Trump's tax returns.   So, were the republicans in the last congress also too dumb?
If you all want to cheer on his ravings, feel free to do so but to denigrate those of us who will never ever support this man for any office is laughable.   The things you are happy to defend are indefensible...…..IMHO.

Why should anyone other than the IRS have access to his tax returns?
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Hoodat on April 15, 2019, 02:52:23 pm
@libertybele

Says one of the biggest instigators.

Wouldn't your time be better spent working on your RINO Shrine and collector cards?

QED
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Sanguine on April 15, 2019, 02:52:39 pm
Why should anyone other than the IRS have access to his tax returns?

Yeah, I don't understand that either.  Why would we think we should have access to them?  If the IRS doesn't think he's committed a crime, and people are willing to vote for him without seeing his returns, what is the issue?
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Sanguine on April 15, 2019, 02:54:03 pm
@libertybele

Says one of the biggest instigators.

Wouldn't your time be better spent working on your RINO Shrine and collector cards?

I like that idea. Sort of baseball cards for politicians, with their relevant statistics and basic info. 
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: skeeter on April 15, 2019, 03:01:38 pm
Ultimately that attitude led me to look at what he has been proposing and been willing to take on and I became a supporter.

He's is not a "genteel" man. He is brash and will answer any question asked of him. However, his instincts are spot on about what the country wants to see the govt. take on. His foreign policy has been very good. His economic policy has been good. His selection of judges has been good (you never know with them, though). He is right about immigration and border security and he is right about health insurance reform. Unfortunately for him, the Pub party are a bunch of gutless wonders and don't want to back him in any meaningful way.

I think he's making progress. It's just a tough fight when the Rat party doesn't want to solve anything, the media are propagandists for the left and the Pubs are married to the Chamber of Commerce.

It just boils down to some folks being more concerned with form than substance.

I don't care if my president has missing teeth or BO - I don't need him to look up to. I just want him to move the ball in the right direction.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: DCPatriot on April 15, 2019, 04:02:31 pm
He is clearly a very flawed human being.  I just don't see the point in dwelling on that when there already are tens of millions of people who voted against and hate the guy, and who advocate for his removal from office before he's even completed his elected term of office.  Their efforts to prevent him from accomplishing anything are aided and abetted by a mainstream meadia that is generally -- with some exceptions -- complicit in that attempt to weaken him.  It's basically 24/7 "Trump is horrible, and for the good of the country we must remove him from office".

So in light of that, exactly what do his GOP critics hope to accomplish by piling on?

Uhh......an opportunity to claim that they're not as out-of-touch and unaware and that "WE TOLD YOU SO!!!"

Where the hell have you been for the past THREE YEARS around here?
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on April 15, 2019, 05:14:45 pm
He is clearly a very flawed human being.  I just don't see the point in dwelling on that when there already are tens of millions of people who voted against and hate the guy, and who advocate for his removal from office before he's even completed his elected term of office.  Their efforts to prevent him from accomplishing anything are aided and abetted by a mainstream meadia that is generally -- with some exceptions -- complicit in that attempt to weaken him.  It's basically 24/7 "Trump is horrible, and for the good of the country we must remove him from office".

So in light of that, exactly what do his GOP critics hope to accomplish by piling on?

@Maj. Bill Martin

My response to that is the same it’s always been.  What harm are we doing Trump in this little corner of the internet?  Answer:  none.  The refrain in 2016 was “Come on, just put him over the top so he can do great things, and we’ll hold his feet to the fire.”  That’s morphed into “hey, let’s not criticize him.”  Nope, criticism of politicians is an American pastime.  It’s healthy.

The public’s job was getting him elected,  not speaking well of him after they did so.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on April 15, 2019, 07:27:55 pm
@Maj. Bill Martin

My response to that is the same it’s always been.  What harm are we doing Trump in this little corner of the internet?  Answer:  none.  The refrain in 2016 was “Come on, just put him over the top so he can do great things, and we’ll hold his feet to the fire.”  That’s morphed into “hey, let’s not criticize him.”  Nope, criticism of politicians is an American pastime.  It’s healthy.

The public’s job was getting him elected,  not speaking well of him after they did so.

I would say two things:

1) public opinion in the United States is affected not just by big media, or by radio talk shows, but also by tens of millions of everyday conversations, postings on message boards, etc., where citizens discuss these issues.  Heck, one of the reasons people post and debate is to try to sway others to their point of view.  So if the argument is "what difference does it make", I'd respond "if you believe the words you say cannot possibly make a difference, then why bother saying them?"

2) Nothing wrong with criticizing politicians.  But that should go both ways.  There are a ton of elected Democrats who are a much bigger problem, but who effectively get a free pass from alleged conservatives who'd rather spend their efforts attacking Trump.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Maj. Bill Martin on April 15, 2019, 07:29:11 pm
It just boils down to some folks being more concerned with form than substance.

I don't care if my president has missing teeth or BO - I don't need him to look up to. I just want him to move the ball in the right direction.

I wouldn't accuse all NeverTrumpers of fitting that description...but it sure seems to apply to a ton of them.  Particularly the Bush-types.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: sneakypete on April 15, 2019, 08:05:31 pm
I like that idea. Sort of baseball cards for politicians, with their relevant statistics and basic info.

@Sanguine


There would have to be a certain amount of "fudging" going on with the stats.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on April 15, 2019, 09:17:46 pm

@Maj. Bill Martin


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I would say two things:

1) public opinion in the United States is affected not just by big media, or by radio talk shows, but also by tens of millions of everyday conversations, postings on message boards, etc., where citizens discuss these issues.  Heck, one of the reasons people post and debate is to try to sway others to their point of view.  So if the argument is "what difference does it make", I'd respond "if you believe the words you say cannot possibly make a difference, then why bother saying them?"

Because they're not always intended to make a difference--at least as far as changing minds, which, as you admit, is only one of the reasons people debate politics.  I think anyone here who believes they're going to change members' minds in either direction is in the minority.   This is the virtual version of sitting on the front porch talking back and forth. 

Even if I thought there lurkers who were simple-minded enough to be turned against Trump by simple criticism, I'd say that's on them.  It's still important to voice what we think.  There should be no qualifications that try to tamp down opinions.


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2) Nothing wrong with criticizing politicians.  But that should go both ways.  There are a ton of elected Democrats who are a much bigger problem, but who effectively get a free pass from alleged conservatives who'd rather spend their efforts attacking Trump.


No one here is giving the left a free pass.  It's simply not happening. 

For me, Conservatism 101 is: Liberals Suck.  We know it, we live it.  We've been saying so on the internet & elsewhere for a long time.  I can only speak for myself when I say that I don't have unlimited time to post here, and when I do, the latest Democrat absurdity is just that.  I can try to hit every such thread and end up repeating myself so people will still believe I'm a good conservative.  But it's not going to happen.  Unlike TOS, TBR allows me to talk about the ways in which some of the right has gone off the rails, and I think it's an important conversation to have.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: bilo on April 15, 2019, 09:33:58 pm
It just boils down to some folks being more concerned with form than substance.

I don't care if my president has missing teeth or BO - I don't need him to look up to. I just want him to move the ball in the right direction.

 :amen:

I've been more than pleasantly surprised.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: jafo2010 on April 15, 2019, 10:47:44 pm
If the USA can supply its military along with the USSR, China, Great Britain, France and the other Allies to defeat the Axis during World War II, we can easily deport EVERY illegal invading alien, whether it is 12 million or 50 million.

I am sick and tired of hearing about what we can't do.  CONGRESS, get off your dead *sses and do something for the benefit of this nation and its citizens.

The only answer I see to having a representative government of the people of the USA is TERM LIMITS.  At least with TERM LIMITS we know we can have new blood that might represent us versus the same tired hacks that only care about those invading our country.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: libertybele on April 15, 2019, 10:49:11 pm
@libertybele

Says one of the biggest instigators.

Wouldn't your time be better spent working on your RINO Shrine and collector cards?

 :rolling:  You have things backasswards!   
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: mountaineer on April 16, 2019, 12:11:45 am
Here's where they're going: A List of Sanctuary Cities and States (https://www.toddstarnes.com/show/a-list-of-sanctuary-cities-and-states/). You'd be amazed how many sanctuary cities and counties there are in Iowa, but it looks like Oregon and Washington are the big winners.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 16, 2019, 12:21:53 am
Here's where they're going: A List of Sanctuary Cities and States (https://www.toddstarnes.com/show/a-list-of-sanctuary-cities-and-states/). You'd be amazed how many sanctuary cities and counties there are in Iowa, but it looks like Oregon and Washington are the big winners.
Thank Goodness they are so close to the southern border.  Saves money on transportation costs.  Anyone know do the illegals get a free meal on the train?  I know they're getting 3 hots and a cot while being incarcerated.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: libertybele on April 16, 2019, 03:30:49 am
Here's where they're going: A List of Sanctuary Cities and States (https://www.toddstarnes.com/show/a-list-of-sanctuary-cities-and-states/). You'd be amazed how many sanctuary cities and counties there are in Iowa, but it looks like Oregon and Washington are the big winners.

Thanks for the enlightenment.  I am amazed that there are so many.  The last thing we need is to expand these cities by continuing to allow illegals into the country in the first place.  Turn them around at the border and send them back from where they came!

This is no different in Europe where they have areas that are heavily Muslim populated and the police are not welcome or will not venture.  That is exactly where we are headed!
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: jmyrlefuller on April 16, 2019, 12:24:16 pm
Here's where they're going: A List of Sanctuary Cities and States (https://www.toddstarnes.com/show/a-list-of-sanctuary-cities-and-states/). You'd be amazed how many sanctuary cities and counties there are in Iowa, but it looks like Oregon and Washington are the big winners.
It doesn't surprise me.

A lot of them are farmers who come from the Jack Ma school of employment (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,358466.0.html): drive your employees as hard as you can, as much as you can, and they'd better like it or else. Since very few Americans will work under such conditions (especially since most states don't give the same protections to farm workers as those in other industries get), they rely on foreigners.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 16, 2019, 02:29:55 pm
It doesn't surprise me.

A lot of them are farmers who come from the Jack Ma school of employment (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,358466.0.html): drive your employees as hard as you can, as much as you can, and they'd better like it or else. Since very few Americans will work under such conditions (especially since most states don't give the same protections to farm workers as those in other industries get), they rely on foreigners.


In Eastern Washington it is alot of produce.  But in Western Washington these illegal aliens are doing Manufacturing, Service jobs, Construction and other "low wage" jobs.  The problem is so much bigger than just the illegals themselves.  I remember when most of the migrants doing the manufacturing were mostly Asian.  It was very common to hear how they were better workers.  Faster workers.....etc.  Now the Hispanics are the best workers.  It has even been said here many times.

The idea that one race is superior to the other isn't new.  It is what Hitler did.  And I have been in the industry all my adult life.  People are people.  God did not create one faster or better than the other.  He created all in His image.  I would agree that upbringing is a factor but to paint all American born people as undesireable in the work force is wrong.  There are lazy in all races.  There are good workers in all races.  We need to get back to the place where our corporations are hiring people based on their past work history.  Where they give an interview and make a determination based on the answers and their gut feel about a perspective employee.  Not hiring friends and families of migrant workers.  Its wrong.

The illegal immigrant problem continues because of racism.  The idea by American employers that foreign workers are more desireable and they have to have more.  And yes it is a lie that they tell because the want cheaper labor.  Its corporate welfare.  Welfare that Americans who aren't prefered for jobs have to pay for.  Because these foreigners are not making enough to take care of their families.  Likely they are, but they would have to penny pinch like I do.  But still we all have to pick up the tab by supplying social bennefits to foreigners here.  It is theft of the American citizens.  It is a fact that most of them are taking advantage of these social bennefits.  Also popping out more babies for more money.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: skeeter on April 16, 2019, 02:36:40 pm

In Eastern Washington it is alot of produce.  But in Western Washington these illegal aliens are doing Manufacturing, Service jobs, Construction and other "low wage" jobs.  The problem is so much bigger than just the illegals themselves.  I remember when most of the migrants doing the manufacturing were mostly Asian.  It was very common to hear how they were better workers.  Faster workers.....etc.  Now the Hispanics are the best workers.  It has even been said here many times.

The idea that one race is superior to the other isn't new.  It is what Hitler did.  And I have been in the industry all my adult life.  People are people.  God did not create one faster or better than the other.  He created all in His image.  I would agree that upbringing is a factor but to paint all American born people as undesireable in the work force is wrong.  There are lazy in all races.  There are good workers in all races.  We need to get back to the place where our corporations are hiring people based on their past work history.  Where they give an interview and make a determination based on the answers and their gut feel about a perspective employee.  Not hiring friends and families of migrant workers.  Its wrong.

You're right about that. Recent arrivals may work harder as they are motivated by a comparatively better life or comparatively more opportunity. But being human that attitude tapers off after awhile.

So to keep the gravy train going our modern day slave masters at the Chamber of Commerce need a constant supply of recent arrivals. Thus they will NEVER agree to securing the border.

Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 16, 2019, 02:42:06 pm
You're right about that. Recent arrivals may work harder as they are motivated by a comparatively better life or comparatively more opportunity. But being human that attitude tapers off after awhile.

So to keep the gravy train going our modern day slave masters at the Chamber of Commerce need a constant supply of recent arrivals. Thus they will NEVER agree to securing the border.


Most all workers of every race do their best for 90 days. 
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 16, 2019, 02:53:28 pm

Most all workers of every race do their best for 90 days.

My former corporate masters got 35 years of my best.   :shrug:
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: sneakypete on April 16, 2019, 06:37:20 pm

 
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The illegal immigrant problem continues because of racism.  The idea by American employers that foreign workers are more desireable and they have to have more.  And yes it is a lie that they tell because the want cheaper labor.  Its corporate welfare.  Welfare that Americans who aren't prefered for jobs have to pay for. 

@Chosen Daughter

And there you have it,the EXACT spot where the Fascist Left meets the Communist Left,and they swap spit.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 17, 2019, 12:21:01 am
My former corporate masters got 35 years of my best.   :shrug:


I do my best all the time. 
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 17, 2019, 12:37:05 am

I do my best all the time.

Exactly!   :beer: :beer:

(Fresh from the new keg I just tapped!)
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 17, 2019, 12:42:55 am
@Chosen Daughter

And there you have it,the EXACT spot where the Fascist Left meets the Communist Left,and they swap spit.


Right, left they are all supporting illegal immigration.  Nothing gets done because companies don't like Americans.  Its to the point where the application says race and not required your better off not filling it in.  But obviously they will know by your name.  Hispanics come because they know it. 
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Chosen Daughter on April 17, 2019, 12:44:43 am
Exactly!   :beer: :beer:

(Fresh from the new keg I just tapped!)
:beer:
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 17, 2019, 02:54:08 am

Right, left they are all supporting illegal immigration.  Nothing gets done because companies don't like Americans.  Its to the point where the application says race and not required your better off not filling it in.  But obviously they will know by your name.  Hispanics come because they know it.

I never, ever fill in "race" on any form.  I'm white so I know I'll get screwed somehow.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Hoodat on April 17, 2019, 03:03:01 am
I never, ever fill in "race" on any form.  I'm white so I know I'll get screwed somehow.

I always write down 'American'.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: dancer on April 17, 2019, 09:52:38 am
 :beer:
I think Trump "triggers" certain Usual Suspects. 

The forum has become a spot for them to puke up their anti-Trump venom every thread.

RONALD REAGAN, ENACTED THE AMNESTY MAGNETT IN 1986. TRUMP IS THE FIRST TO TRY TO REMEDY THE LONG-STANDING PROBLEM.

If you cannot grasp this, your political maturity is that of a giggly middle schoolers.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: libertybele on April 17, 2019, 12:02:44 pm

Right, left they are all supporting illegal immigration.  Nothing gets done because companies don't like Americans.  Its to the point where the application says race and not required your better off not filling it in.  But obviously they will know by your name.  Hispanics come because they know it.

About 10 years ago, I went to fill out an application and was pleasantly surprised when in bold letters the application stated "Must Speak and Write Fluent English" or application will be rejected.   Now many employers seek bilingual applicants or don't bother.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: sneakypete on April 17, 2019, 01:03:40 pm
About 10 years ago, I went to fill out an application and was pleasantly surprised when in bold letters the application stated "Must Speak and Write Fluent English" or application will be rejected.   Now many employers seek bilingual applicants or don't bother.

@libertybele

I suspect any company that tried that today would be sued for discrimination,and even by the feds for violating feral employment laws.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: libertybele on April 17, 2019, 01:10:06 pm
@libertybele

I suspect any company that tried that today would be sued for discrimination,and even by the feds for violating feral employment laws.
 

Probably, though they are still in business and are a very large privately owned resort and spa.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: sneakypete on April 17, 2019, 01:15:34 pm
 

Probably, though they are still in business and are a very large privately owned resort and spa.

@libertybele

And they have either changed their employment contract,or they are a big,fat,juicy lawsuit target for the left.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Cyber Liberty on April 17, 2019, 03:28:09 pm
About 10 years ago, I went to fill out an application and was pleasantly surprised when in bold letters the application stated "Must Speak and Write Fluent English" or application will be rejected.   Now many employers seek bilingual applicants or don't bother.

It's quite the opposite now.  I see many jobs in the want-ads that specify a need to speak and write Spanish fluently, bit there is never an English counterpart.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on April 17, 2019, 11:33:03 pm
I always write down 'American'.
Choosing Native-American has opened many doors and is hard to disprove unless your dumb enough to release your DNA profile.
Title: Re: 'A new level of inhumanity': Democrats denounce White House idea to release migrants in sanctuar
Post by: libertybele on April 19, 2019, 01:18:00 am
Apparently 46% of the public likes the idea.

https://townhall.com/columnists/scottrasmussen/2019/04/18/why-president-trump-keeps-winning-on-the-immigration-issue-n2544976