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General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: happyg on November 13, 2013, 03:54:05 am
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Brit Hume says that this Obamacare rollout has become as bad a political disaster as he’s ever seen, especially given that Democrats are now breaking ranks with the president, including Dianne Feinstein who isn’t even up for reelection. Hume says this a huge opportunity for Republicans and they should be ready with a health care plan to offer as an alternative.
Watch: Video at link: http://therightscoop.com/brit-hume-on-democrats-breaking-ranks-with-obama-this-is-as-bad-a-political-disaster-as-ive-ever-seen/
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Brit Hume says that this Obamacare rollout has become as bad a political disaster as he’s ever seen, especially given that Democrats are now breaking ranks with the president, including Dianne Feinstein who isn’t even up for reelection. Hume says this a huge opportunity for Republicans and they should be ready with a health care plan to offer as an alternative.
Watch: Video at link: http://therightscoop.com/brit-hume-on-democrats-breaking-ranks-with-obama-this-is-as-bad-a-political-disaster-as-ive-ever-seen/
I read an interesting op-ed today which pointed out that one reason we continue to have ever increasing size of government is the GOP never says it is better to leave these things to the private sector.. instead they think they still have to have a "government" plan in place... and we get ever- increasing size of our government as a result - which is why both parties are equally complicit on this mess - just one is a little worse than the other.
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I read an interesting op-ed today which pointed out that one reason we continue to have ever increasing size of government is the GOP never says it is better to leave these things to the private sector.. instead they think they still have to have a "government" plan in place... and we get ever- increasing size of our government as a result - which is why both parties are equally complicit on this mess - just one is a little worse than the other.
The GOP is just a bit slower, but are still growing government nonetheless.
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I read an interesting op-ed today which pointed out that one reason we continue to have ever increasing size of government is the GOP never says it is better to leave these things to the private sector.. instead they think they still have to have a "government" plan in place... and we get ever- increasing size of our government as a result - which is why both parties are equally complicit on this mess - just one is a little worse than the other.
In troubled times voters demand action. Legislation doesn't have to fix the problem but it does have to be offered. In 1936 FDR and the rats offered more of the same crap that didn't fix the economy in FDR's first 4 years. The GOP stood in opposition and got creamed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=D9yoZHs6PsU#t=0
FDR's I Welcome Their Hatred Speech
"For twelve years this Nation was afflicted with hear-nothing, see-nothing, do-nothing Government. The Nation looked to Government but the Government looked away."
The GOP needs some plan to replace Obamacare and mitigate the underlining problems of skyrocketing cost and our fellow Americans who have life threatening sickness and no insurance and no way to pay for treatments. Like I said the legislation doesn't have to solve the problems but it does need to seriously address them. Like solving street crime with midnight basketball.
Past that, the GOP is sitting pretty. Not only did we not bring Obamacare to life we tried very hard to kill it. 42 or 43 votes to repeal and a shutdown to defund. Nobody is pinning this stuff on us. We did all we could legally do with our majority in the House.
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Brit Hume says that this Obamacare rollout has become as bad a political disaster as he’s ever seen, especially given that Democrats are now breaking ranks with the president, including Dianne Feinstein who isn’t even up for reelection. Hume says this a huge opportunity for Republicans and they should be ready with a health care plan to offer as an alternative.
Watch: Video at link: http://therightscoop.com/brit-hume-on-democrats-breaking-ranks-with-obama-this-is-as-bad-a-political-disaster-as-ive-ever-seen/
This would have been true until the days of Reagan. Since then republicans have devolved into a democrat support group and no opportunities exist except what marse Barack, Marse Harry, and miss Nancy tell them are available; and that is scraps from the democratic table. :bash:
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Brit Hume says that this Obamacare rollout has become as bad a political disaster as he’s ever seen, especially given that Democrats are now breaking ranks with the president, including Dianne Feinstein who isn’t even up for reelection. Hume says this a huge opportunity for Republicans and they should be ready with a health care plan to offer as an alternative.
Watch: Video at link: http://therightscoop.com/brit-hume-on-democrats-breaking-ranks-with-obama-this-is-as-bad-a-political-disaster-as-ive-ever-seen/
Really?? I am no more confident that Republicans can craft a Government Health Care plan than I am about the Democrats doing it.
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Really?? I am no more confident that Republicans can craft a Government Health Care plan than I am about the Democrats doing it.
I am! Tremendously so as they would take government out of any plan they would craft and THAT is the only thing that ever has worked , or ever will!
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I'm betting that Bambi's stubborn streak will ensure that the ACA disaster is as large as it can possibly be...
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Hume had me on board until he said that Republicans needed to be ready with a plan of their own.
What the hell was wrong with the health-care system already in place?
If 30 Million Americans are without coverage....set up a system to deal with them....and not compromise the best health-care system in the world.
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I am! Tremendously so as they would take government out of any plan they would craft and THAT is the only thing that ever has worked , or ever will!
Unfortunately, I don't hear any Republicans putting forth any viable ideas about what to do, other than "delay the mandate" which does nothing for the 5 million who have already been cancelled. The longer this is allowed to continue the worse it will be, and by January 1st there is no telling how many people will have had their health insurance cancelled, and who have absolutely no viable alternative.
And with Harry Reid in the Senate, and Obama in the White House, the Republicans have exactly zero chance of doing anything meaningful or helpful.
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Hume had me on board until he said that Republicans needed to be ready with a plan of their own.
What the hell was wrong with the health-care system already in place?
If 30 Million Americans are without coverage....set up a system to deal with them....and not compromise the best health-care system in the world.
Lots of things wrong with it but all of them could and should have been corrected by applying free market principles and leaving the government out of it!
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We have watched the GOPe morph into a European style conservative party before our eyes.
Liberals want limitless government. The answer to all problems is government.
GOPe quietly agrees with liberals, but promises to manage that governmental monster better.
It's what the stupid public has been groomed to want.
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Unfortunately, I don't hear any Republicans putting forth any viable ideas about what to do, other than "delay the mandate" which does nothing for the 5 million who have already been cancelled. The longer this is allowed to continue the worse it will be, and by January 1st there is no telling how many people will have had their health insurance cancelled, and who have absolutely no viable alternative.
And with Harry Reid in the Senate, and Obama in the White House, the Republicans have exactly zero chance of doing anything meaningful or helpful.
We must be listening to different things as I have heard Republicans propose a number of things that were and are VERY viable. First among them is to open up the insurance market and allow competition across state lines!
I agree that Commies like Reid will stand in the way of anything that resembles a free market solution but even he can be run over!
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Hume had me on board until he said that Republicans needed to be ready with a plan of their own.
What the hell was wrong with the health-care system already in place?
If 30 Million Americans are without coverage....set up a system to deal with them....and not compromise the best health-care system in the world.
We got to this place because health insurance was ignored by Republicans. The costs were exploding. The rules were difficult to understand, and at times didn't make sense. Even for people who worked hard, bought insurance, did the right things, a major illness would often lead to bankruptcy. The public was frustrated and afraid, and the GOP offered medicare part D.
I am for small government, but there are times government should at least try to assist. I understand that often, governmental meddling makes things worse. But, the problem was runaway, and something other than ignoring it was needed.
So, given the public's acceptance of socialism, and the problems in the health insurance world, the GOP needs to have an alternate plan, or they can sit down, shut up and watch Hillary implement single payer.
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We have watched the GOPe morph into a European style conservative party before our eyes.
Liberals want limitless government. The answer to all problems is government.
GOPe quietly agrees with liberals, but promises to manage that governmental monster better.
It's what the stupid public has been groomed to want.
Great description of what is going on in the District of Corruption. :hands:
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We must be listening to different things as I have heard Republicans propose a number of things that were and are VERY viable. First among them is to open up the insurance market and allow competition across state lines!
I agree that Commies like Reid will stand in the way of anything that resembles a free market solution but even he can be run over!
Again, I see no effective leadership emerging in the Republican Party that can successfully "run over" Harry Reid and the Democrats in the Senate. And with Obama in the White House nothing the Republicans have put forth in the last four years has worked, other than the so-called "Sequester" which was the most effective budget cuts in the past decade, and many of the Republicans are actively working to undo even that!
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Again, I see no effective leadership emerging in the Republican Party that can successfully "run over" Harry Reid and the Democrats in the Senate. And with Obama in the White House nothing the Republicans have put forth in the last four years has worked, other than the so-called "Sequester" which was the most effective budget cuts in the past decade, and many of the Republicans are actively working to undo even that!
With regard to current leadership I cannot disagree but we need to change that!
There have been no "budget cuts"!!! Just a very slight reduction in the rate of growth which IS something positive to be sure!
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Hume had me on board until he said that Republicans needed to be ready with a plan of their own.
What the hell was wrong with the health-care system already in place?
If 30 Million Americans are without coverage....set up a system to deal with them....and not compromise the best health-care system in the world.
That was the crux of my post. Nothing was wrong with it. People got on board the Obamacare wagon because they thought they were going to get it cheaper or free because we have become a nation of people who are clueless about economics and seem to think the government has to do it or its not right... on fact most of the former uninsured were by choice, people who were had the policy they were willing to pay for, the poor had Medicaid and the old Medicare and doctors have volunteered in free clinics to help people who have nothing for Yeats.
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We got to this place because health insurance was ignored by Republicans. The costs were exploding. The rules were difficult to understand, and at times didn't make sense. Even for people who worked hard, bought insurance, did the right things, a major illness would often lead to bankruptcy. The public was frustrated and afraid, and the GOP offered medicare part D.
I am for small government, but there are times government should at least try to assist. I understand that often, governmental meddling makes things worse. But, the problem was runaway, and something other than ignoring it was needed.
So, given the public's acceptance of socialism, and the problems in the health insurance world, the GOP needs to have an alternate plan, or they can sit down, shut up and watch Hillary implement single payer.
Baloney... costs were not exploding... you've bought the freaking media and democrats spin... in inflation dollars doctors keep making less. Want to know why... lawyers!!!!! Malpractice insurance makes up a HUGE portion of what a doctor's fee is.... you want the GOPe to do something... then there it is... tort reform. BTW in Calif. The yearly cost of rrenewing a license for a doctor is over $12,000 plus malpractice plus rent us staff plus supplies and equipment plus the added costs now of EHR...
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There are things that the Republicans could have done regarding health care what would not have involved bigger government.
-Allow insurance to be sold nationwide, not state by state as it is now.
-Make all HSA contributions tax free and do not have a time limit on use
-Make health insurance costs tax deductible
-Tort reform to get rid of bogus lawsuits and make it loser pays
-Reform Medicaid to try and cut off those who do not need it (This would save the government some $$$)
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We do not yet understand the full scope and breadth of this "political" disaster. Real people are getting hurt as will the nation.
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There are things that the Republicans could have done regarding health care what would not have involved bigger government.
-Allow insurance to be sold nationwide, not state by state as it is now.
-Make all HSA contributions tax free and do not have a time limit on use
-Make health insurance costs tax deductible
-Tort reform to get rid of bogus lawsuits and make it loser pays
-Reform Medicaid to try and cut off those who do not need it (This would save the government some $$$)
:thumbsup: :beer:
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:thumbsup: :beer:
and let the insurance purchasers and sellers decide what coverage a person wants - not the flipping government.
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Baloney... costs were not exploding... you've bought the freaking media and democrats spin... in inflation dollars doctors keep making less. Want to know why... lawyers!!!!! Malpractice insurance makes up a HUGE portion of what a doctor's fee is.... you want the GOPe to do something... then there it is... tort reform. BTW in Calif. The yearly cost of rrenewing a license for a doctor is over $12,000 plus malpractice plus rent us staff plus supplies and equipment plus the added costs now of EHR...
Interesting. You scold me for buying Dem spin, then go on to explain a factor in increasing costs. Take a breath, try to visualize before you rant.
If I sell you something, and the price is high, you don't care how it got to be high, you just know it is. That's the cost, right?
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Interesting. You scold me for buying Dem spin, then go on to explain a factor in increasing costs. Take a breath, try to visualize before you rant.
If I sell you something, and the price is high, you don't care how it got to be high, you just know it is. That's the cost, right?
I can tell you without any equivocation that healthcare and health insurance both would cost one heck of a lot less if the government were not involved in it than it does WITH it involved!
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Interesting. You scold me for buying Dem spin, then go on to explain a factor in increasing costs. Take a breath, try to visualize before you rant.
If I sell you something, and the price is high, you don't care how it got to be high, you just know it is. That's the cost, right?
Your stated the GOP should launch their own plan because costs are exploding. The GOP coming up with a "plan" will on further add to ever-growing government and do nothing for the real reason healthcare costs have been going up. They proved in Texas when you do something about trial lawyers the costs start to take care of themselves... and BTW what do you consider "exploding" costs? It is government regulation (as I pointed out) that is the biggest reasons doctors have to charge what they charge and another reason I didn't mention for higher insurance costs is we have been picking up the costs of the unpaid treatment in this country for illegal aliens. Do you honestly think either party is going to do anything to stop that??? If one person doesn't pay for something - be it something someone steals from a store or treatment in a hospital - the unpaid costs just get passed on to the people who do pay.
What I want is less government - not more government - be it either party..... I am sick of them thinking their sole purpose to show up 113 days a year in DC is to pass another piece of legislation to make our lives ever more complicated.
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People want to live forever. Living forever costs money, technology, doctors, medicine, nurses and other staff.
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Your stated the GOP should launch their own plan because costs are exploding. The GOP coming up with a "plan" will on further add to ever-growing government and do nothing for the real reason healthcare costs have been going up. They proved in Texas when you do something about trial lawyers the costs start to take care of themselves... and BTW what do you consider "exploding" costs? It is government regulation (as I pointed out) that is the biggest reasons doctors have to charge what they charge and another reason I didn't mention for higher insurance costs is we have been picking up the costs of the unpaid treatment in this country for illegal aliens. Do you honestly think either party is going to do anything to stop that??? If one person doesn't pay for something - be it something someone steals from a store or treatment in a hospital - the unpaid costs just get passed on to the people who do pay.
What I want is less government - not more government - be it either party..... I am sick of them thinking their sole purpose to show up 113 days a year in DC is to pass another piece of legislation to make our lives ever more complicated.
You are way too charged up about this. Might be good to slow down and read what was posted before kicking trying to kick someone's virtual arse.
I said the GOP ignored the problems in healthcare, exploding costs and the uncertainty. I have often worried that a catastrophic illness would wipe me out. I've worked in a medical setting where they have a person read obituaries so that the facility can go after the estate of those who pass and owe money.
I consider costs what it costs me, the end user. I don't care if the cost includes malpractice insurance, wages for doctors or payments on the doctor's Mercedes, I just care what it costs me. In that sense, costs have been going up.
A stupid public, a liberal media, Democrats and impotent Republicans have brought us to this point. Like it or not, we're going to get single payer.
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What I want is less government - not more government - be it either party..... I am sick of them thinking their sole purpose to show up 113 days a year in DC is to pass another piece of legislation to make our lives ever more complicated.
:amen: Sister! :amen:
And a little more regard for our Constitution would be a big help as well!
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I consider costs what it costs me, the end user. I don't care if the cost includes malpractice insurance, wages for doctors or payments on the doctor's Mercedes, I just care what it costs me. In that sense, costs have been going up.
A stupid public, a liberal media, Democrats and impotent Republicans have brought us to this point. Like it or not, we're going to get single payer.
Sounds like yoiu want single payer and frankly your saying you don't care why the cost is high you just care how YOU are affected is how we got in this mess.
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Like it or not, we're going to get single payer.
You need to start practicing the French Salute! (Two hand held up as high over your head as you can get them!)
Come to think of it, you seem really good at it already!
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Sounds like yoiu want single payer and frankly your saying you don't care why the cost is high you just care how YOU are affected is how we got in this mess.
I don't want single payer, but it's coming, that's the whole point of the Obamacare exercise. I'd bet money on it. Too many people feel it's a "right".
You're darn right. I don't care about the cost component of most things I buy. Do you know what the raw material cost is, in the laptop you buy? You're getting a bit unhinged.
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You need to start practicing the French Salute! (Two hand held up as high over your head as you can get them!)
Come to think of it, you seem really good at it already!
Awww, Spiro, what's wrong? A prediction bothers you so much you have to take a feeble swipe at someone who isn't as pure as you are conservatively?
I'm telling you we're in a mess, and single payer is next.
I know a couple of salutes, and I'll choose which one I offer you.
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Awww, Spiro, what's wrong? A prediction bothers you so much you have to take a feeble swipe at someone who isn't as pure as you are conservatively?
I'm telling you we're in a mess, and single payer is next.
I know a couple of salutes, and I'll choose which one I offer you.
And a California salute right back at you surrender monkey!
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I don't want single payer, but it's coming, that's the whole point of the Obamacare exercise. I'd bet money on it. Too many people feel it's a "right".
You're darn right. I don't care about the cost component of most things I buy. Do you know what the raw material cost is, in the laptop you buy? You're getting a bit unhinged.
Actually the only person getting unhinged here is you........ the fact you say you don't care why something costs what it costs IS the problem... look at what the state of Ohio insists the carriers who are licensed to sell insurance in your state are forced to sell everyone in your state... you want lower costs and good care? It sure isn't going to be single payer. and it certainly is not going to be Obamacare.... since you don't care that the cost of healthcare is a huge component of legislation and malpractice insurance then you are no more informed than the LIV's you love to post about here.
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Actually the only person getting unhinged here is you........ the fact you say you don't care why something costs what it costs IS the problem... look at what the state of Ohio insists the carriers who are licensed to sell insurance in your state are forced to sell everyone in your state... you want lower costs and good care? It sure isn't going to be single payer. and it certainly is not going to be Obamacare.... since you don't care that the cost of healthcare is a huge component of legislation and malpractice insurance then you are no more informed than the LIV's you love to post about here.
See, that's where people like you get into a twist, and why Republicans continually lose elections.
What I've posted didn't fit with your immediate, charged world view, so you got all hot and bothered. Now I have two of you calling me names, because, well... I'd better keep that one to myself.
I work in healthcare, I know what goes into the costs. I know how the uninsured use the ER, and how much is reimbursed by the government for charity work, and how much is a loss that must be passed on. But, when I buy things, I don't do a cost breakdown before I buy it. I know what it costs and I try to get the best value. If that makes me low information, then either you're totally confused, or almost everyone is low information.
Tell me, oh wise one, on your last lap top, how much of the total price was material cost, how much was labor cost, how much was overhead? Or didn't you do that analysis?
As for single payer, I said it several times, but you two refuse to read what I'm saying, you give it your own twist. I don't want it, and it's coming, but you you'd rather throw some more ignorant insults my way.
Both of you now, together, post to me... "Why don't you go back to the DU?!"
Friggin' twits, no wonder the GOP can't get people elected to anything more important than dog catcher.
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While I do agree that the purpose of OPapaCare was to facilitate single-payer, I disagree that single-payer is "coming," at least anytime soon. There is no chance in hell that a single payer system will come out of this congress.
Getting OPapaCare passed was difficult enough. To assume that, in the face of this unmitigated disaster, congress will do something even more radical is ludicrous.
Look at what the Dems are doing. That ought to tell you something. They are attempting to run as far from this as they possibly can. It will be far easier for them to support relaxing the various restrictions in the law and then letting it die of its own weight.
Once you get rid of the individual and employer mandates, then do away with all the regulatory requirements, even OPapaDoc will support repeal.
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I work in healthcare, I know what goes into the costs. I know how the uninsured use the ER, and how much is reimbursed by the government for charity work, and how much is a loss that must be passed on. But, when I buy things, I don't do a cost breakdown before I buy it. I know what it costs and I try to get the best value. If that makes me low information, then either you're totally confused, or almost everyone is low information.
For someone who claims to work in healthcare (as I have for 22 years) it is pretty amazing you are pushing single payer here.
So tell us ... what - other than single payer - is "YOUR solution.
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For someone who claims to work in healthcare (as I have for 22 years) it is pretty amazing you are pushing single payer here.
So tell us ... what - other than single payer - is "YOUR solution.
Pushing single payer? See, I carefully outline what I'm saying, and you continue to mischaracterize it. Is it your desire to irritate as many people as you can in any given day? If so, I'd say you're a natural.
There are common sense solutions posted in this thread, I'm not going to repost them, because you are either incapable of comprehending my posts, ore you willfully dismiss my words.
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Pushing single payer? See, I carefully outline what I'm saying, and you continue to mischaracterize it. Is it your desire to irritate as many people as you can in any given day? If so, I'd say you're a natural.
There are common sense solutions posted in this thread, I'm not going to repost them, because you are either incapable of comprehending my posts, ore you willfully dismiss my words.
What is YOUR solution. "You made the statement there is exploding costs the GOP needs to address. WHAT do YOU want the GOP to legislate?
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While I do agree that the purpose of OPapaCare was to facilitate single-payer, I disagree that single-payer is "coming," at least anytime soon. There is no chance in hell that a single payer system will come out of this congress.
Getting OPapaCare passed was difficult enough. To assume that, in the face of this unmitigated disaster, congress will do something even more radical is ludicrous.
Look at what the Dems are doing. That ought to tell you something. They are attempting to run as far from this as they possibly can. It will be far easier for them to support relaxing the various restrictions in the law and then letting it die of its own weight.
Once you get rid of the individual and employer mandates, then do away with all the regulatory requirements, even OPapaDoc will support repeal.
Again you have nailed it Professor!
Spot on! :beer:
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While I do agree that the purpose of OPapaCare was to facilitate single-payer, I disagree that single-payer is "coming," at least anytime soon. There is no chance in hell that a single payer system will come out of this congress.
Getting OPapaCare passed was difficult enough. To assume that, in the face of this unmitigated disaster, congress will do something even more radical is ludicrous.
Look at what the Dems are doing. That ought to tell you something. They are attempting to run as far from this as they possibly can. It will be far easier for them to support relaxing the various restrictions in the law and then letting it die of its own weight.
Once you get rid of the individual and employer mandates, then do away with all the regulatory requirements, even OPapaDoc will support repeal.
The current chaos in healthcare was purposefully created by the Democrats, don't you think? I do.
I know a lot of Democrats threw away their political careers to get Obamacare passed. I think the Dems were counting on the same lemming like response to this current crisis. That some are scrambling for cover is encouraging, but not a sure sign of defeat.
As the employer mandate comes into play, the insurance market is going to be a mess. I can see the media, Dems, and GOPe pushing single payer as the solution to the newly created healthcare crisis. I also see a public that largely believes that heathcare is a right.
I hope you're right. Nothing the government does is efficient, and precious little that they do is effective. Congress is comprised of 535 self interested souls. If they think that single payer will mollify the public and save their political skins, it will happen. I'd be willing to bet that is what Hillary will use as a plank in her platform.
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What is YOUR solution. "You made the statement there is exploding costs the GOP needs to address. WHAT do YOU want the GOP to legislate?
Suddenly you can read some of my words? I guess it's sort of selective for you?
Two of the biggest items that appeal to me, and AC posted upthread, (Do you have problems reading AC's posts too?)
- Nationwide insurance competition
- Tort reform
I'd also like to see healthcare unbundled from employment. Getting your healthcare from your employer just doesn't make sense. I don't get my auto, or homeowner's insurance from my employer.
It's also important to make the consumer aware of the cost. Encourage open pricing and competition among providers. A plan to reward consumers for going to facilities that are less expensive, while allowing free choice if the consumer wants a more expensive provider.
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The current chaos in healthcare was purposefully created by the Democrats, don't you think? I do.
I know a lot of Democrats threw away their political careers to get Obamacare passed. I think the Dems were counting on the same lemming like response to this current crisis. That some are scrambling for cover is encouraging, but not a sure sign of defeat.
As the employer mandate comes into play, the insurance market is going to be a mess. I can see the media, Dems, and GOPe pushing single payer as the solution to the newly created healthcare crisis. I also see a public that largely believes that heathcare is a right.
I hope you're right. Nothing the government does is efficient, and precious little that they do is effective. Congress is comprised of 535 self interested souls. If they think that single payer will mollify the public and save their political skins, it will happen. I'd be willing to bet that is what Hillary will use as a plank in her platform.
Hah! After this, Hillary will pretend she never heard of single-payer.
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Suddenly you can read some of my words? I guess it's sort of selective for you?
Two of the biggest items that appeal to me, and AC posted upthread, (Do you have problems reading AC's posts too?)
- Nationwide insurance competition
- Tort reform
I'd also like to see healthcare unbundled from employment. Getting your healthcare from your employer just doesn't make sense. I don't get my auto, or homeowner's insurance from my employer.
It's also important to make the consumer aware of the cost. Encourage open pricing and competition among providers. A plan to reward consumers for going to facilities that are less expensive, while allowing free choice if the consumer wants a more expensive provider.
You cannot get around states rights in your first choice - the insurance commissioners and state legislatures decide what is covered in each state.
There is a reason employers paid for our insurance - goes all the way back to Roosevelt when he froze wages and the only way employers could do something for their employees was give them insurance. Also, in groups the price of insurance is cheaper than when people have to be sent out into the individual market to purchase coverage so it is actually an apples and oranges thing.
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You cannot get around states rights in your first choice - the insurance commissioners and state legislatures decide what is covered in each state.
There is a reason employers paid for our insurance - goes all the way back to Roosevelt when he froze wages and the only way employers could do something for their employees was give them insurance. Also, in groups the price of insurance is cheaper than when people have to be sent out into the individual market to purchase coverage so it is actually an apples and oranges thing.
Why is it that Allstate can offer auto insurance in 50 states, but not health insurance? You're saying it can't be changed, fixed? Are you saying Congress can't influence states?
I'm well aware as to why employers offer health insurance as a benefit, that doesn't make it any more logical in today's environment. Wouldn't other forms of insurance be cheaper in groups? Using your logic, we should get all of our insurance from our employer. No, unbundle it from the employer. The consumer can join whatever group he or she finds to be beneficial to cut costs, (AMAC, VFW, etc.).
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Why is it that Allstate can offer auto insurance in 50 states, but not health insurance? You're saying it can't be changed, fixed? Are you saying Congress can't influence states?
I'm well aware as to why employers offer health insurance as a benefit, that doesn't make it any more logical in today's environment. Wouldn't other forms of insurance be cheaper in groups? Using your logic, we should get all of our insurance from our employer. No, unbundle it from the employer. The consumer can join whatever group he or she finds to be beneficial to cut costs, (AMAC, VFW, etc.).
We have a thing called the Tenth Amendment - aka States Rights. This is why each state has an insurance commissioner an he or she is tasked with approving the plans offered in their individual states.
I know you do not agree and will never agree but the less influence the government has on how insurance is offered in this country - the better. Even tort reform is a state by state issue (Texas has it and it helped grow their economy and lower premiums in their state).
And BTW single payer will not reduce costs. It will drive the costs up, not down.
No subsidies
No tax credits
Yes on tort reform
Let the employers determine what benefits they want to give their employees - that isn't anyone's business other than the people running said company.
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As for auto insurance -- it is pretty straight-forward. You carry X $ in coverage, you want x $ in deductible you want replacement coverage or just liability in case you damage some else's property. You want Med-Pay coverage? If so how much? and you do or do not want uninsured driver coverage...
walla... you can see across state lines because you just checkmark the blanks of what you do or don't want, they check your driving record and give you a price.
For health insurance one state mandates one thing another state mandates another thing and yet another state mandates another... all the plans a company is willing to offer at a certain price is vetted by the state commissioner and then the company is licensed to sell health insurance in said state and can sell in one state but not another..... then you have the union plans - a whole other ball of wax.
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Again you have nailed it Professor!
Spot on! :beer:
Not so fast there, please.
This regime passed Obamacare on Christmas Eve 2009 after using backroom deals and special rules....knowing that the rookie Senator from Massachusetts who won Ted Kennedy's seat was going to be the 41st vote against.
This regime rules by Executive Order and they don't give a hoot about not only how the law is written, they'll decide to which ones they'll obey/prosecute, etc..
Single Payer will be marketed to look like an oasis in a desert of crap. If the GOP opposes it without a cogent, succinct solution of their own, the GOP could get burned....again.
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Not so fast there, please.
This regime passed Obamacare on Christmas Eve 2009 after using backroom deals and special rules....knowing that the rookie Senator from Massachusetts who won Ted Kennedy's seat was going to be the 41st vote against.
This regime rules by Executive Order and they don't give a hoot about not only how the law is written, they'll decide to which ones they'll obey/prosecute, etc..
Single Payer will be marketed to look like an oasis in a desert of crap. If the GOP opposes it without a cogent, succinct solution of their own, the GOP could get burned....again.
Why is everyone so anxious for the GOP to pass yet another bill... this is how we got in this danged mess to begin with... and why in the hell push single payer... do you realize how that WILL destroy what is left of our healthcare? and is the ultimate goal of the marxists in this country.
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And BTW single payer will not reduce costs. It will drive the costs up, not down.
Duh. Geez, you just can't be informed beyond what you have decided is so, can you?
Increased competition is important. If it requires nudging from the Feds, I'm ok with it. I'm generally in favor of state's rights, but in this case, I'd be ok with a gentle nudge. Opening up to competition doesn't seem like it would be so hard to make happen. A little attention on who is and isn't allowing such commerce might do it. Commerce clause maybe?
I agree, let employers offer what benefits they like. I'd bet big money that all things being equal, most employers would dump healthcare as a benefit immediately. It's a headache to administer, and it's expensive. Rather than pay $1000 to an employee's health insurance, raise his pay that much and be done with it. Tag that money as for health insurance, and make it tax free. A win/win. If consumers are involved in purchasing health insurance, the cost there would go down. As it is now, I'm offered 2 or 3 plans, pick one, or get lost.
If I spent my life in the insurance industry, I'm sure I'd have better solutions. I don't work in insurance.
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We have a thing called the Tenth Amendment - aka States Rights. This is why each state has an insurance commissioner an he or she is tasked with approving the plans offered in their individual states.
With all due respect, I think you are confusing what currently is with what has to be. The only reason interstate sales of health insurance policies is currently prohibited is that the big insurance companies spent BILLIONS of dollars to make it so with their lobby efforts! There is no Constitutional bar to it happening that I know of!
Please see Article I, Section 8, Clause 3:
The Congress shall have Power] To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several States, and with the Indian tribes;
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Why is everyone so anxious for the GOP to pass yet another bill... this is how we got in this danged mess to begin with... and why in the hell push single payer... do you realize how that WILL destroy what is left of our healthcare? and is the ultimate goal of the marxists in this country.
I never said the GOP had to pass a health care proposal of their own.
I said that the GOP has to hold peoples' attention and be able to explain why the ACA must be repealed in its entirety. And to explain how the free markets can achieve lower premiums if allowed to go across state lines for customers.
They have to tell them that Santa Claus is a fairytale. No free contraception. No federal dollars for abortion.
We're about $18.5 TRILLION in debt. It will NEVER be repaid. Except in blood.
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Let me see. 4 marines just killed in Camp Pendleton.
3 kids shot in Pittsburgh, and 6 detained for questioning.
Both stories posting in the last 10 minutes.
Lets argue hypotheticals, instead.
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Let me see. 4 marines just killed in Camp Pendleton.
3 kids shot in Pittsburgh, and 6 detained for questioning.
Both stories posting in the last 10 minutes.
Lets argue hypotheticals, instead.
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Duh. Geez, you just can't be informed beyond what you have decided is so, can you?
Increased competition is important. If it requires nudging from the Feds, I'm ok with it. I'm generally in favor of state's rights, but in this case, I'd be ok with a gentle nudge. Opening up to competition doesn't seem like it would be so hard to make happen. A little attention on who is and isn't allowing such commerce might do it. Commerce clause maybe?
I agree, let employers offer what benefits they like. I'd bet big money that all things being equal, most employers would dump healthcare as a benefit immediately. It's a headache to administer, and it's expensive. Rather than pay $1000 to an employee's health insurance, raise his pay that much and be done with it. Tag that money as for health insurance, and make it tax free. A win/win. If consumers are involved in purchasing health insurance, the cost there would go down. As it is now, I'm offered 2 or 3 plans, pick one, or get lost.
If I spent my life in the insurance industry, I'm sure I'd have better solutions. I don't work in insurance.
I have thoroughly enjoyed reading your posts on this thread. You have interesting ideas and you make a lot of sense to me. The GOP absolutely needs a plan to fix healthcare, and you have laid out a great framework to base it off. We should explore separating health insurance from employers, and tort reform must be in the mix.
Even if the new legislation is deeply flawed it would still be better than Obamacare. Even if it does a little more damage than good we would better off than we are today under Obamacare. Put another way, the paper cuts of flawed GOP legislation are survivable, but the dagger of Obamacare will kill the American health industry.
Obamacare must be replaced with something else. It doesn't have to work but it has to be offered or the voters will replace the GOP with people who will try to fix the problems that matter to a majority of voters...unless we can convince the rats to stop offering suggestions. Then the GOP can ignore the voters all day long with little fear.
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The one good thing to come out of Obamacare may well be the exchanges. They offer a framework for having a national marketplace where everyone in the country can go, compare plans, and pick what they want. If I had it to do, here is how I would reform Obamacare:
1. Sell the healthcare exchange to a private operator.
2. Eliminate all the minimum requirements and let insurance companies tailor their coverage to the needs of each individual consumer, which would include policies that offer rebates for staying healthy (ie, medical savings accounts).
3. Eliminate all the barriers that prevent companies from selling across state borders.
4. Tort reform
5. Means test Medicare and leave Medicaid to the states.
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The one good thing to come out of Obamacare may well be the exchanges. They offer a framework for having a national marketplace where everyone in the country can go, compare plans, and pick what they want. If I had it to do, here is how I would reform Obamacare:
1. Sell the healthcare exchange to a private operator.
2. Eliminate all the minimum requirements and let insurance companies tailor their coverage to the needs of each individual consumer, which would include policies that offer rebates for staying healthy (ie, medical savings accounts).
3. Eliminate all the barriers that prevent companies from selling across state borders.
4. Tort reform
5. Means test Medicare and leave Medicaid to the states.
I would definitely vote for that program!
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As I read all this, the term that come to mind was cognitive dissonance. Simply put, it is a doubt about something that is held as a belief. Without it, change will not happen; people will hold on to their beliefs until given a reason to change them. All the things I have read in here are great ideas, but until someone can create a doubt about the worth of the democratic party and lack of concern about the American people, nothing will ever change. The democrats have done a magnificent job of getting people to believe the most vile things about republicans and that is EXACTLY what republicans need to do to democrats, get people to believe the democrats are liars, hypocrites, and will say anything to get votes. A crack in the democrat armor will be needed if ideas like these are put in practice.11513