The Briefing Room
General Category => Politics/Government => Topic started by: TomSea on February 13, 2020, 12:06:09 pm
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John Kelly Finally Lets Loose on Trump
The former chief of staff explained, in the clearest terms yet, his misgivings about Trump’s behavior regarding North Korea, immigration, and Ukraine.
Peter Nicholas
MORRISTOWN, N.J.—Lieutenant Colonel Alexander Vindman, the former National Security Council aide and impeachment witness President Donald Trump fired Friday, was just doing his job, former White House Chief of Staff John Kelly told students and guests at a Drew University event here Wednesday night.
Over a 75-minute speech and Q&A session, Kelly laid out, in the clearest terms yet, his misgivings about Trump’s words and actions regarding North Korea, illegal immigration, military discipline, Ukraine, and the news media.
Kelly, a retired Marine Corps general, said that Vindman is blameless and was simply followed the training he’d received as a soldier; migrants are “overwhelmingly good people†and “not all rapistsâ€; and Trump’s decision to condition military aid to Ukraine on an investigation into his political rival Joe Biden upended long-standing U.S. policy.
Read more at: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/02/john-kelly-alexander-vindman-north-korea-and-trump/606496/ (https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/02/john-kelly-alexander-vindman-north-korea-and-trump/606496/)
Another arrow comes in, I already read some people calling this the deep state responding. Seems to be a big story, seems to belong more in the "impeachment 45" thread. At Drew University, must be a prestigious college. Still, an interesting article.
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Kelly, a retired Marine Corps general, said that Vindman is blameless and was simply followed the training he’d received as a soldier...
So we are being told that the Army teaches the troops to leak classified information? right.
Stopped reading... just another liberal rant against Trump...
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"Kelly, a retired Marine Corps general, said that Vindman is blameless and was simply followed the training he’d received as a soldier; migrants are “overwhelmingly good people†and “not all rapists†(false statement, Trump never said that); and Trump’s decision to condition military aid to Ukraine (false statement, Trump instructed to the contrary) on an investigation into his political rival Joe Biden upended long-standing U.S. policy."
Trump is well rid of this liar.
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We got 'im now!®
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Ed wrote:
"Stopped reading... just another liberal rant against Trump..."
It's The Atlantic.
Why even start reading...?
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What this does spell out is Trump's utter failure to select military brass for key positions in his administration. I find his comments on Vindman unacceptable. I am talking about Kelly. Just one more military smuck, I don't care how much salad he has on his chest, or how much of a hero he ever was.
To speak out against the president as he has done is unacceptable, particularly in defense of a maggot like Vindman.
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Hasn't Kelly been sniping at Trump ever since he left the WH? Does "Finally Lets Loose" mean Kelly's mouth is on full automatic now?
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Hasn't Kelly been sniping at Trump ever since he left the WH? Does "Finally Lets Loose" mean Kelly's mouth is on full automatic now?
I'm wondering about that nondisclosure agreement he undoubtedly signed when he left.
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Hasn't Kelly been sniping at Trump ever since he left the WH? Does "Finally Lets Loose" mean Kelly's mouth is on full automatic now?
Kelly was sniping at the President while IN the White House @PeteS in CA
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I'm wondering about that nondisclosure agreement he undoubtedly signed when he left.
So much for honor ...
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John Kelly singles out Fox News: ‘You’re not an informed citizen’ if that’s all you watch
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/02/13/john-kelly-singles-out-fox-news-youre-not-an-informed-citizen-if-thats-all-you-watch-886648 (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/02/13/john-kelly-singles-out-fox-news-youre-not-an-informed-citizen-if-thats-all-you-watch-886648)
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John Kelly singles out Fox News: ‘You’re not an informed citizen’ if that’s all you watch
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/02/13/john-kelly-singles-out-fox-news-youre-not-an-informed-citizen-if-thats-all-you-watch-886648 (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/02/13/john-kelly-singles-out-fox-news-youre-not-an-informed-citizen-if-thats-all-you-watch-886648)
He certainly has all the DNC talking points down pat.
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He certainly has all the DNC talking points down pat.
Yep...I used to really like him.. :shrug:
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He certainly has all the DNC talking points down pat.
Maybe he has a new boss now.
"In July 2019, the House Oversight Committee announced it was probing Kelly's conflict of interest (DC Capital Partners) in the (border detention) camps while he was the White House Chief of Staff."
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I blame the numbskull who hired him as Chief of Staff.
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John Kelly singles out Fox News: ‘You’re not an informed citizen’ if that’s all you watch
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/02/13/john-kelly-singles-out-fox-news-youre-not-an-informed-citizen-if-thats-all-you-watch-886648 (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/02/13/john-kelly-singles-out-fox-news-youre-not-an-informed-citizen-if-thats-all-you-watch-886648)
I have to agree with Kelly there. To be an informed citizen... you have to know about all of the lies and propaganda that is being pushed by the radical left via their puppet media. You need to watch CNN, PBS, NBC, etc., as well, in order to know about all of those lies...
since Fox News can't be counted on to report it. Fox News is also run by lefties, IOW.
And an 'informed citizen' is one that is wise enough to discern those lies whenever they hear/see them.
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I blame the numbskull who hired him as Chief of Staff.
Now, now. :nono: There's no need to point fingers. We all believed General Kelly stood tall among the best of men.
How were any of us to know the path General John Kelly would take to supplement his retirement income in a personal struggle to keep himself in the millionaires club?
Kudos to the General for striking while the monetary iron is hot and proving honesty, fidelity and honor are absent from his worldview.
We should be thanking the good General for clearing up our misguided opinion of him. I know I am. :patriot:
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John Kelly singles out Fox News: ‘You’re not an informed citizen’ if that’s all you watch
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/02/13/john-kelly-singles-out-fox-news-youre-not-an-informed-citizen-if-thats-all-you-watch-886648 (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/02/13/john-kelly-singles-out-fox-news-youre-not-an-informed-citizen-if-thats-all-you-watch-886648)
He is right. Its only a mouthpiece for president Trump. I read that Trump consults people at FOX.
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Now, now. :nono: There's no need to point fingers. We all believed General Kelly stood tall among the best of men.
How were any of us to know the path General John Kelly would take to supplement his retirement income in a personal struggle to keep himself in the millionaires club?
Kudos to the General for striking while the monetary iron is hot and proving honesty, fidelity and honor are absent from his worldview.
We should be thanking the good General for clearing up our misguided opinion of him. I know I am. :patriot:
What a steaming pile of BS. Sooner or later it will become too difficult to run cover up for Trump. I am hoping that the Republican party regains their composure and recognizes the danger our party is in.
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I have to agree with Kelly there. To be an informed citizen... you have to know about all of the lies and propaganda that is being pushed by the radical left via their puppet media. You need to watch CNN, PBS, NBC, etc., as well, in order to know about all of those lies...
since Fox News can't be counted on to report it. Fox News is also run by lefties, IOW.
And an 'informed citizen' is one that is wise enough to discern those lies whenever they hear/see them.
Well exactly. They have been pushing left for a long time. And that is why we have the trouble. All of Trumps leftist friends and his big messes he leaves everywhere.
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So much for honor ...
Honor? How can you honor something unhonorable? BS. I guess you think that Trump could do anything and everyone should run cover up.
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Well exactly. They have been pushing left for a long time. And that is why we have the trouble. All of Trumps leftist friends and his big messes he leaves everywhere.
Which leftist friends would that/those be?
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Which leftist friends would that/those be?
Alan Dershowitz, Manafort...………..
Family
Jared Kushner, Ivanka Trump....
I am sure I can cover much more. Give me time.
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Alan Dershowitz, Manafort...………..
Family
Jared Kushner, Ivanka Trump....
I am sure I can cover much more. Give me time.
That's funny (odd)... since I haven't seen Trump defending Dershowitz as his "friend". Perhaps I missed it. Could you point me to that, please? I also see no evidence that Trump considers Dershowitz as a friend. However, I do question Dershowitz's "leftism" since he has, in fact, defended Trump. So....link?
I also wasn't aware that Paul Manafort was a leftist. One thing I do know... is that leftists do not EVER donate to Republicans.... like Trump, for instance. So that would be a definite no on Manafort.
https://www.campaignmoney.com/finance.asp?type=in&cycle=16&criteria=manafort&fname=paul (https://www.campaignmoney.com/finance.asp?type=in&cycle=16&criteria=manafort&fname=paul)
As for Trump's family, we all know they were and perhaps still are registered Democrats. But I wouldn't call them leftists... now. I think the election of Trump as president may have cured any 'morph to leftism' they may have previously been trending toward.
So offhand, I'd have to call bullshit on your claim here... unless you can provide proof otherwise.
Waiting....
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That's funny (odd)... since I haven't seen Trump defending Dershowitz as his "friend". Perhaps I missed it. Could you point me to that, please? I also see no evidence that Trump considers Dershowitz as a friend. However, I do question Dershowitz's "leftism" since he has, in fact, defended Trump. So....link?
I also wasn't aware that Paul Manafort was a leftist. One thing I do know... is that leftists do not EVER donate to Republicans.... like Trump, for instance. So that would be a definite no on Manafort.
https://www.campaignmoney.com/finance.asp?type=in&cycle=16&criteria=manafort&fname=paul (https://www.campaignmoney.com/finance.asp?type=in&cycle=16&criteria=manafort&fname=paul)
As for Trump's family, we all know they were and perhaps still are registered Democrats. But I wouldn't call them leftists... now. I think the election of Trump as president may have cured any 'morph to leftism' they may have previously been trending toward.
So offhand, I'd have to call bullshit on your claim here... unless you can provide proof otherwise.
Waiting....
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-friends-celebrities-athletes-2018-3 (https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-friends-celebrities-athletes-2018-3)
Kanye, Don King, Larry King, Mike Tyson, Barbara Walters, Oprah, Regis Philbin, Russell Simmons, P. Diddy, Anna Wintour, Roseanne Barr, and more. Now you know, and I bet it doesn't matter anyways.
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https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-friends-celebrities-athletes-2018-3 (https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-friends-celebrities-athletes-2018-3)
Kanye, Don King, Larry King, Mike Tyson, Barbara Walters, Oprah, Regis Philbin, Russell Simmons, P. Diddy, Anna Wintour, Roseanne Barr, and more. Now you know, and I bet it doesn't matter anyways.
With Trump, it seems it's more useful to look at who hates him. tri22
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Opinion
What 'illegal order' is John Kelly referring to about Alexander Vindman?
by Eddie Scarry
| February 13, 2020 11:42 AM
It’s former White House chief of staff John Kelly’s turn to be the media’s new hero for a moment after he said some mildly critical things about President Trump.
But I’m really confused about the part of his recent speech to some college students that’s getting the most play on cable news because it suggests Kelly has either a false recollection of events or simply doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
Kelly, according to the Atlantic, said in his speech that former National Security Council aide Alexander Vindman did the right thing when he reported having overheard an “illegal order†in the phone call between Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, which was at the center of the impeachment.
“We teach them, ‘Don’t follow an illegal order,’†Kelly said. “And if you’re ever given one, you’ll raise it to whoever gives it to you that this is an illegal order, and then tell your boss.’â€
What the heck is this about an “order,†illegal or otherwise?
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/what-illegal-order-is-john-kelly-referring-to-about-alexander-vindman (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/what-illegal-order-is-john-kelly-referring-to-about-alexander-vindman)