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General Category => Science, Technology and Knowledge => Archaeology => Topic started by: Elderberry on February 09, 2020, 02:05:24 pm
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The Vintage News by Nancy Bilyeau Jun 16, 2019
An Irish Viking. The concept has become more real and more captivating. Anyone who’s read even a bit about the history of the Vikings knows that their DNA is likely to be found in people living in the British Isles today. New research shows that the Irish definitely have their fair share of Viking heritage–in fact, the Irish are more genetically diverse than most people may assume.
The Irish have Viking and Norman ancestry in similar proportions to the English. A comprehensive DNA map of the Irish has for the first time revealed lasting contributions from British, Scandinavian, and French invasions.
“By comparing 1,000 Irish genomes with over 6,000 genomes from Britain and mainland Europe, genetic clusters within the west of Ireland, in particular, were discovered for the first time, leading the researchers to investigate if invasions from the Vikings and Normans to the east may have influenced genetics in that part of the country,†according to Irish Central.
Because of extensive Irish immigration to the United States and other countries, these findings have ramifications. There are 80 million people in the world who claim Irish heritage. “This subtle genetic structure within such a small country has implications for medical genetic association studies,†said Trinity College Dublin geneticist Dr. Ross Byrne. In fact a number of American slang words have roots coming from the Irish:
More: https://www.thevintagenews.com/2019/06/16/irish-viking/ (https://www.thevintagenews.com/2019/06/16/irish-viking/)
(https://www.thevintagenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/map_of_ireland_and_cenel_neogain.gif)
Map of Ireland in 950 showing Viking influence and Viking territory (in green)
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Why is anyone surprised about this? Irish coastal villages were raided by Viking raiders for as long as there has been Viking raiding parties and Irish coastal villages.
In FACT,there is a written record of a Viking raid on coastal Irish fishing village where the Vikings captured a couple of hundred women and children and took them to Africa and sold them as slaves to African Kings. The church has a record of the raid,and the dead and captured,and the Vikings had a scribe traveling with them that wrote of the slave sale.
IIRC,this was in the 9th Century,so if any of you are Irish,you should sue Africa for reparations.
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Why is anyone surprised about this? Irish coastal villages were raided by Viking raiders for as long as there has been Viking raiding parties and Irish coastal villages.
In FACT,there is a written record of a Viking raid on coastal Irish fishing village where the Vikings captured a couple of hundred women and children and took them to Africa and sold them as slaves to African Kings. The church has a record of the raid,and the dead and captured,and the Vikings had a scribe traveling with them that wrote of the slave sale.
IIRC,this was in the 9th Century,so if any of you are Irish,you should sue Africa for reparations.
My DNA is Scottish, Irish, English, Scandinavian, near Normandy France, Spanish, Italian, Middle Eastern, Iranian, from Afghanistan and evidently a little from India. And I have a DNA 'relative' in Tibet. Neanderthal & Denisovan LOLOL. I used FTDNA.com
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Journo wants to be taken seriously, yet fails to even mention the
most important component of Irish lineage; that they were Gaels!!!
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People called "Scots-Irish" mainly came from lowland Scotland and nrthern England to Ulster Ireland, before headiing to North America (the term Scots-Irish is said to have only been adopted when the later Catholic Irish of the Famine era arrived in the US, speaking little English, poor, dirty, little education. Although until then the earlier protestant had been Irish in America, they took up calling themselves Scots-Irish to be set aapart from the later ones.
Both Scots and Irish very likely had Viking blood. Dublin was a Viking town. northern Scotland touches lots of island-like the Ornkeys.
My mother's maiden name is of Celtic origin in Scotland, names after a stream in Ayreshire.
A story of the 1718 "Ulster-Irish" also called "Scots-Irish" These were among the earliest of such people, and more of them moved inland and southerly.
My ancesters are from those 1718 famlies that went, first to New Hampshire, Maine, then Nova Scotia, then New Brunswick, then Minnesota in 1856, then California1928 (many stayed in Canada from Nova Scotia to British Columbia)
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkl46jo7RqU#)
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My DNA is Scottish, Irish, English, Scandinavian, near Normandy France, Spanish, Italian, Middle Eastern, Iranian, from Afghanistan and evidently a little from India. And I have a DNA 'relative' in Tibet. Neanderthal & Denisovan LOLOL. I used FTDNA.com
@Quix
We iz da wurld.......
We iz da peep-pulls......
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@Quix
We iz da wurld.......
We iz da peep-pulls......
YEAH.
Heinz 57 has nothing on me. LOL. Even an FTDNA expert said while everyone is unique, I'm EXTREMELY unique. LOL. Story of my life.
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The author does realize that the Normans were also Vikings and not French?
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YEAH.
Heinz 57 has nothing on me. LOL. Even an FTDNA expert said while everyone is unique, I'm EXTREMELY unique. LOL. Story of my life.
@Quix
It has been my experience that when people tell you that,they do NOT mean it in a "good way".
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The author does realize that the Normans were also Vikings and not French?
Very few go that deep with knowledge. The Normans were also French speaking, at the time they gained power in Merrey olde Englande.
They brought with them and imposed upon Britain, concepts of law, governance from ancient Latin origins.
The blend of Latin legal precepts, with common laws derived from Alglo/Saxons (Germanic) would over time form "English Common Law," basis for American law.
The contribution from Scandinavians (Vikings) was their usage of 'Town Halls' called "Thing"
It was there, the chieftons met with their sujects in big meeting buildings, were served(by faire blonde maidens in low tops) beveridges to improve their debate skills.
In part that is the basis of "conservatism" as we came to understand it. Later in Endlande they put in some French words to make it look more fancy.
In the most simple terms, Greek became Roman, became French. Anglo/Saxon combined with Viking became "Anglish"
Sort of like that.
So
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Very few go that deep with knowledge. The Normans were also French speaking, at the time they gained power in Merrey olde Englande.
They brought with them and imposed upon Britain, concepts of law, governance from ancient Latin origins.
The blend of Latin legal precepts, with common laws derived from Alglo/Saxons (Germanic) would over time form "English Common Law," basis for American law.
The contribution from Scandinavians (Vikings) was their usage of 'Town Halls' called "Thing"
It was there, the chieftons met with their sujects in big meeting buildings, were served(by faire blonde maidens in low tops) beveridges to improve their debate skills.
In part that is the basis of "conservatism" as we came to understand it. Later in Endlande they put in some French words to make it look more fancy.
In the most simple terms, Greek became Roman, became French. Anglo/Saxon combined with Viking became "Anglish"
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The commentary on 'common law' is insightful and on the mark.
Well done!!!
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The author does realize that the Normans were also Vikings and not French?
Initially.
I think later, they were a mixture of Vikings & French.
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@Quix
It has been my experience that when people tell you that,they do NOT mean it in a "good way".
Certainly many meant it negatively or teasingly negative. But not all. Many were merely noting how I tended to live & act beyond the 3rd standard deviation from the mean on most measures.
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SORRY. WRONG FORUM
YOU CAN READ MY POST IN THE LATEST CLEANING OUT THE SWAMP THREAD IN THE ALT REAL FORUM:
HERE:
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,379376.new.html#new (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,379376.new.html#new)
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The author does realize that the Normans were also Vikings and not French?
Some close to me--has a paternal family name that evidently derives from a French form meaning
"From [said smaller Normandy region]" with an Anglicized ending.
The paper trail ended in Gloucestershire Newent England in the 1400's.
They haven't succeeded in tracking records down across the channel.
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Bkmk.