There is nothing wrong with incorporating the populist, America-first elements. In fact this will be necessary for building a coalition in the midwest. Main problem with Trump is a near total absence of discipline or tactfulness. In the end, his lack of political skills more than offset his appeal to the Reagan Democrats.
There is nothing wrong with incorporating the populist, America-first elements. In fact this will be necessary for building a coalition in the midwest. Main problem with Trump is a near total absence of discipline or tactfulness. In the end, his lack of political skills more than offset his appeal to the Reagan Democrats.
If the only choice Republicans have is between a Beltway globalist and a populist with the emotional intelligence of a toddler, they've got big problems.
I'll take the "toddler" thank you very much.
I'll take the "toddler" thank you very much.
I'd prefer a populist who can control his emotions.
I'd prefer a populist who can control his emotions.
I'd prefer a populist who can control his emotions.
I'd prefer a populist who can control his emotions.
When you find one who has the balls Trump does, let me know.
I'd prefer a populist who can control his emotions.
You may see it differently, I think Trump controls his emotions just fine, a lot of it is calculated to elicit certain responses.
People have GOT to stop swallowing the media narrative.
So you'd ditch Patton because he slapped a soldier?
But I truly think we can do better than what we've had.
The only “incorporating†that’s to be done will involve folks like Cheney/Romney/Bush and others of the establishment ilk being incorporated into a GOP that reflects and fights hard for Trumps MAGA agenda...America first being the mantra. As for political instincts, Trump has more of them than any leader in our lifetime. He does, admittedly lack tact and discipline, but what’s needed is Jacksonian fire, not Bush wimpism. The Cheney/NT folks had best accept that this party will not be conceding itself to the old establishment Repubs...they can still board the Trump train, or just openly go Dem rather than covertly doing so (as they do now).
Well let me know when someone steps up. Trump basically is giving up his fortune for this.
Romney, Kasich et al. still represent a critical number of voters in the suburbs. There just aren't enough right-leaning populists to form a majority. Any successful nominee will have to make the establishment comfortable enough to tolerate his/her candidacy, and the populists need motivation to turn out. I don't buy into the apocalyptic predictions we have heard since last week ... but the GOP has a steep hill to climb.What's the point then, they are no better than Democrats.
Romney, Kasich et al. still represent a critical number of voters in the suburbs. There just aren't enough right-leaning populists to form a majority. Any successful nominee will have to make the establishment comfortable enough to tolerate his/her candidacy, and the populists need motivation to turn out. I don't buy into the apocalyptic predictions we have heard since last week ... but the GOP has a steep hill to climb.
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Dim DHS are already trying to label Hawley and Cruz terrorist, and add them to the No Fly List. We just had the entire head of ABC News say there needs to be "Idelogical Cleansing" of the right. Another widley followed left wing pundit, is clamoring for deprograming of Trump supporters.
You can put your big ostrich head in the sand. Others of us are watching a little closer.
Sounds like a major overstep, for which the left will be punished. Otherwise we all need to consider emigration. I am confident last week's events are going to fade from the news cycle. There will be another set of BLM riots, or some insane controversy du jour to reset our perspective.
If the only choice Republicans have is between a Beltway globalist and a populist with the emotional intelligence of a toddler, they've got big problems.
Glad to see not everyone here has drank the kool-aid. QFT
You drank the MSM Kool-Aid
You drank the MSM Kool-Aid
If the only choice Republicans have is between a Beltway globalist and a populist with the emotional intelligence of a toddler, they've got big problems.
If the only choice Republicans have is between a Beltway globalist and a populist with the emotional intelligence of a toddler, they've got big problems.
Cruz was the better of those 3 IMO.
And now he will soon be in a battle for his own political survival. I have no idea at what level or point the witch hunt will end.
It takes 66 Senators to expel a Senator I believe. I don't think he's in a battle... but maybe next election?
In this hostile environment, it might not be too hard to pick off 17 RINOS. Hawley and Cruz might be cast off as a peace offering by the cowering GOP that is left.
How sad that a man who stood up for the TRUTH, the CONSTITUTION and put his country first is going to be disbarred and condemned from political office.
I have little doubt now that had Cruz won the Presidency the leftists would have attacked him just as they have and are attacking Trump.
Worse. Cruz is an actual Conservative.
Not only that, he's the outsider that Trump's supporters looked for, and are still looking for. He was detested by both the R establishment and the Ds for not compromising critical Constitutional and Conservative beliefs in the interest of "bipartisanship". He didn't compromise those principles when he told the farmers of Iowa during the 2016 nominating contest that he opposed the ethanol subsidy; he didn't compromise those principles at the Republican National Convention of 2016 and he was widely excoriated for it by Trump supporters; and he didn't compromise those principles when he became essentially the last man standing in Congress trying to defend the credibility of the vote and is now being excoriated again by the left.
I doubt that he'll be expelled from the Senate but we'll have to see what people like Romney, Toomey, and Murkowski say about it.
Well...Trump's not a general, and we are not at war.
That wasn't the only choice though... back in 2016 it was a three way between kasich, trump and cruz I believe.
Cruz was the better of those 3 IMO.
Not only that, he's the outsider that Trump's supporters looked for, and are still looking for. He was detested by both the R establishment and the Ds for not compromising critical Constitutional and Conservative beliefs in the interest of "bipartisanship". He didn't compromise those principles when he told the farmers of Iowa during the 2016 nominating contest that he opposed the ethanol subsidy; he didn't compromise those principles at the Republican National Convention of 2016 and he was widely excoriated for it by Trump supporters; and he didn't compromise those principles when he became essentially the last man standing in Congress trying to defend the credibility of the vote and is now being excoriated again by the left.
I doubt that he'll be expelled from the Senate but we'll have to see what people like Romney, Toomey, and Murkowski say about it.
Hold it right there. I hope you figure out very soon that we are, in fact, at war with these people. They've been at war with us for years, and we'd better damned well realize that!
You can say what you will about Trump, but he could galvanize people in a way Ted never could. Ted is perfect right where he is.
Trump is the only Republican politician I've ever seen who gave the media what it deserved.I LOVED THAT!They are NOT to be treated as legitimate nor respected, because they are out to see the leftist agenda imposed on America by any means within their reach.To that end, they will try to destroy any Republican with a worthwhile agenda.
Yeah, it feels so good to dot their eye... But that ain't how you fix that.
:amen:
The Pub establishment is on drugs if they think they are going to win the majority any time soon after abandoning Trump. Trump was right. The election was stolen and he did not incite a riot. If the Pubs had learned anything they would have all rallied around Trump after the riot. Instead they ran away. Why would I or any other Trump supporter ever vote for them again.
It's time to get behind the fighters and support them.
Worse. Cruz is an actual Conservative.
Trump is the only Republican politician I've ever seen who gave the media what it deserved.I LOVED THAT!They are NOT to be treated as legitimate nor respected, because they are out to see the leftist agenda imposed on America by any means within their reach.To that end, they will try to destroy any Republican with a worthwhile agenda.
You're 100% right. If it was, Trump would have been re-elected.
You can say what you will about Trump, but he could galvanize people in a way Ted never could. Ted is perfect right where he is.
You missed the Reagan years didn't you?
You missed the Reagan years didn't you?
The media is a lot different than they were in the Reagan years, it's not even close.
I remember when the rats ginned up scandals against Ronnie.
You make a fair point @dfwgator, Trump is much more charismatic. I like Ted’s principled intellect but that’s not necessarily enough to win.
From my viewpoint, there are very few conservatives in both the Senate and the House -- I will not vote for anyone just because they claim to be Republican or are the lesser of the two evils - those days are over. As for fighters like Cruz and Hawley ... they'll be shown the door by leadership.
IMHO thinking that there is going to be another election; even in 2022, is very wishful thinking.
You missed the Reagan years didn't you?
But charisma means nothing - winning means nothing, if the ball never moves. Pyrrhic victory anyone?
I didn't. Reagan was incredible, but he didn't fight like Trump or as hard.
And yet if you study history and going all the way back to his support for Goldwater and his time as Governor and the '76 and '80 campaigns...he did.
As I pointed out in some ways because of the media vise grip on info...he had to fight harder.
But charisma means nothing - winning means nothing, if the ball never moves. Pyrrhic victory anyone?
Is a Pyrhhic victory worse than continual crushing defeat? FYI, it’s possible to govern conservatively AND have some charisma...in fact, it’s essential if you ever hope to actually win an election. [...]
And yet if you study history and going all the way back to his support for Goldwater and his time as Governor and the '76 and '80 campaigns...he did.
As I pointed out in some ways because of the media vise grip on info...he had to fight harder.
But Reagan also had a lot of friends in Hollywood and the media going back to his acting days. That matters.
He had no friends in Hollywood...none that would admit it in public anyway...by the time he became President.
andy wrote:@Fishrrman
"I'd prefer a populist who can control his emotions."
That's fine, Andy. Your point is well-taken.
Now... name two.
Is a Pyrhhic victory worse than continual crushing defeat?
FYI, it’s possible to govern conservatively AND have some charisma...in fact, it’s essential if you ever hope to actually win an election. If your goal is simply to be a purist and perpetually lose...well...in that case you’re right, charisma is not needed.
And what the President (Trump) accomplished is nothing short of miraculous.
The point is that Trump is not the beginning and end of the movement that he created.
It will outlast his political viability - because in spite of his character flaws - he was absolutely right about Washington, D.C. and about the Deep State.
As a matter of fact, NO! It's the same damn thing with a smidgen of false hope.
Charisma is incidental. Many presidents were not charismatic. Many statesmen of all sorts had a face for radio and a voice for telegraph.
And we already ARE perpetually losing, whether we 'win' or not, all of us. This entire last four years is almost a wash. And in my mind, a deficit. Not only are we trillions upon trillions in debt, but also the left is regimented and marching in lockstep, fueled primarily by their dislike of the man...
But keep running to your prophets with itching ears and calling me a purist. That's worked so well all these years.
Charisma is NOT incidental...in this modern era one cannot win a national election if they cannot motivate and excite a voting base...the monotone Ferris Buellar roll call speech ain’t gonna win ANYTHING. Second, losing changes nothing...Trump defeated the Left in 2016, and in 2020 quite frankly, not sure the Right has anyone else capable of doing the one thing that must precede ANY political change....winning. I’m open to candidates who can motivate the Right and actually defeat the Dem candidate in 2024....but whoever that may be, they’d best step up soon.
Charisma is NOT incidental...in this modern era one cannot win a national election if they cannot motivate and excite a voting base...the monotone Ferris Buellar roll call speech ain’t gonna win ANYTHING. Second, losing changes nothing...Trump defeated the Left in 2016, and in 2020 quite frankly, not sure the Right has anyone else capable of doing the one thing that must precede ANY political change....winning. I’m open to candidates who can motivate the Right and actually defeat the Dem candidate in 2024....but whoever that may be, they’d best step up soon.
This is where the entire R party needs to land.
There'll be no defeating the rats for the foreseeable future. The only hope I see is their overreaching today is creating a legion of radicalized opponents who might possibly turn things around tomorrow - as candidates at all levels of government AND as voters.
Might not be in my lifetime though.
There'll be no defeating the rats for the foreseeable future. The only hope I see is their overreaching today is creating a legion of radicalized opponents who might possibly turn things around tomorrow - as candidates at all levels of government AND as voters.
Might not be in my lifetime though.
I think you are wrong in that. 2 years from now, when most of the country is still in lockdown, and people finally KNOW it's a scam, there stands a moment of clarity and rebellion and states rights... an opportunity like we have never met before. An if we meet it again with mere populism instead of statesmanship, all will be lost. Again.You lose me when you use vague, charged terms like populism and statesmanship. The Constitution is the Constitution, and patriotism is patriotism. its no more complicated than that.
What the people need is answers. What the people will respond to is a real and actionable plan... What needs to happen is a 'throw the bastards out' moment driven by young conservatives with another contract with America. And two years after that, perhaps a president of the same stature.
You lose me when you use vague terms like populism and statesmanship. The Constitution is the Constitution, and patriotism is patriotism.
no. My whacko left sister believes herself to be a patriot and supposes her side to be adhering to the Constitution. She too followed a populist named Hillary Clinton. Her thinking on all that drives me nuts - But the vagaries are with you.
And it's not going to @HoustonSam Congressional Rs can't entertain and vote for impeaching for a second time the founder of the movement.You could be right @Right_in_Virginia. I don't have much confidence that the R party will figure this out, neither among the R establishment nor among the R rank-and-file. To the extent Congressional Rs enlist in censure or impeachment votes, they further destroy any hope of effective R party re-alignment and recovery. They should learn the lesson of the Ds, all of whom gathered to declare Clinton "the greatest president in history" when he was impeached; they will never get media or "independent" or "moderate D" support by opposing R presidents, so why forsake R support by doing so? They care more for their own "virtuous" identity and their sinecures than they care about what their voters believe or what's best for the country.
They're trying to beat him to death, literally. I'm serious about this. They are trying to have the President killed. COVID didn't work so now they're counting on one lunatic who believes the frenzy Congress has created is real.You might want to switch to de-caf. I'm sure there are plenty of Ds and "progressives" who would not hesitate, but the idea that the R establishment wants this requires a lot more evidence to sustain. But having said this, watch now for a push to deny ex-President Trump Secret Service protection.
I cannot account for the delusions of some. Today's left evokes the Constitution all of the time yet by their actions they clearly aren't reading it. They also consider themselves statesmen.
Words mean what they mean. You either love and take them to heart or you don't.
And there it is... The ever-present argument between orthodoxy and the heretic. Interpretation.
I have been having this same argument in religious circles for most of my life.
Yeah, but I cannot think of a charter that has a larger body of interpretative documentation than does the US Constitution.
In spite of the emanations and penumbras.
You might want to switch to de-caf. I'm sure there are plenty of Ds and "progressives" who would not hesitate, but the idea that the R establishment wants this requires a lot more evidence to sustain. But having said this, watch now for a push to deny ex-President Trump Secret Service protection.
@Fishrrman
I'd be happy to:
Senator Tim Scott of South Carolina
Senator John Kennedy of Louisiana
Just to name two. There are many others I could mention as well - Governors Greg Abbott (R-TX), Ron DeSantis (R-FL), and quite a few young House members as well.
The point is that Trump is not the beginning and end of the movement that he created.
It will outlast his political viability - because in spite of his character flaws - he was absolutely right about Washington, D.C. and about the Deep State.
This is where the entire R party needs to land.
There'll be no defeating the rats for the foreseeable future. The only hope I see is their overreaching today is creating a legion of radicalized opponents who might possibly turn things around tomorrow - as candidates at all levels of government AND as voters.
Might not be in my lifetime though.
It's not going to be in anyone's lifetime. This election fraud coup was the crowning glory to a government sinking in a corrupt swamp of their own creation. No one gets in without their permission. No one. Ever again.
Please don't ridicule me @HoustonSam I am deeply troubled and concerned about the President's safety and the safety of his family. This frenzy is spiraling out of control.you aren’t alone.
Please don't ridicule me @HoustonSam I am deeply troubled and concerned about the President's safety and the safety of his family. This frenzy is spiraling out of control.
@Right_in_Virginia
I don't doubt that "progressives" and Ds in Congress actually wish Trump and his family the gravest physical harm, and I predict that the same people will attempt to deny Secret Service protection to ex-President Trump in order to put his life at risk.
I understood your assertion to be that Congressional Rs join in colluding against the Trump family's safety; there is no evidence for that belief.
If other Pub Gov.'s start doing the same these enemies of freedom will start to feel it in their bottom
If the only choice Republicans have is between a Beltway globalist and a populist with the emotional intelligence of a toddler, they've got big problems.
No problems. There is plenty of Republican " bench strength" that can provide effective leadership.
Right now i like the idea of Mike Pompeo. But there are plenty of others. We just have get over the idolatry of Donald Trump.
It's not going to be in anyone's lifetime. This election fraud coup was the crowning glory to a government sinking in a corrupt swamp of their own creation. No one gets in without their permission. No one. Ever again.
@Right_in_Virginia
I don't doubt that "progressives" and Ds in Congress actually wish Trump and his family the gravest physical harm, and I predict that the same people will attempt to deny Secret Service protection to ex-President Trump in order to put his life at risk.
I understood your assertion to be that Congressional Rs join in colluding against the Trump family's safety; there is no evidence for that belief.
I will simply say that on the day Joe Biden is sworn in as president of the United States of America the American flag that has long flown on the flagpole in my yard comes down to be replaced with a Texas flag and my allegiance will be to Texas only from that point forward. @Right_in_Virginia
The only "idolatry" I see is of the Emmanuel Goldstein variety, and it's from you.For someone who wants to get past Trump @Jazzhead cant seem to make a post without mentioning him.
What evidence do you have that they're not? @HoustonSam
No problems. There is plenty of Republican " bench strength" that can provide effective leadership.
Right now i like the idea of Mike Pompeo. But there are plenty of others. We just have get over the idolatry of Donald Trump.
No problems. There is plenty of Republican " bench strength" that can provide effective leadership.
Right now i like the idea of Mike Pompeo. But there are plenty of others. We just have get over the idolatry of Donald Trump.
If I had my choice it would be someone who represents and believes in Trump's America First policy, but who is more polished and steps on his Johnson less frequently. Preferably someone missing thumbs or who doesn't have a Twatter account.
Some possibilities :
Ron DeSantis
Kristi Noem
At one point I liked Nikki Haley, but I'm concerned she's too establishment.
Any of those would be fine with me. DeSantis will face a difficult reelection campaign. Haley draws a lot of flak but I'm not sure why. The administration's foreign policy has largely been a success.
Any of those would be fine with me. DeSantis will face a difficult reelection campaign. Haley draws a lot of flak but I'm not sure why. The administration's foreign policy has largely been a success.
Any of those would be fine with me. DeSantis will face a difficult reelection campaign. Haley draws a lot of flak but I'm not sure why. The administration's foreign policy has largely been a success.
What part of we won't see another fair election or another GOP seated don't you understand? Whether you want to believe it or not, the DEMS stole the election and nothing is going to stop them from continuing to steal elections. They were almost successful here in FL during the mid terms and DeSantis finally was declared victorious by a slim margin of less than 1%; it's not the first time that they've tried to steal elections, but this time around their fraud resulted in unseating our President.
Secondly, they have vowed to change the electoral college to a majority win. and with them granting asylum/voting rights to millions of illegals, it will be mathematically impossible for a GOP candidate to win.
Thirdly, what make you actually believe that the GOP is even going to exist by next election? The DEMS want total control and after that the globalists will kick them out.
These are all valid assertions that I am making and questions that I'm asking. You truly need to open your eyes and see what is happening, otherwise this is all going to smack you square in your face.
Anyone who ever said anything nice about Trump is going to be lumped in with the others, don't you get it? They want all Rs dead, even the ones who are bashing Trump now, it doesn't matter.
Any of those would be fine with me. DeSantis will face a difficult reelection campaign. Haley draws a lot of flak but I'm not sure why. The administration's foreign policy has largely been a success.
DeSantis has been caught up in his lies. Blaming past Gov. Scott for the failure of the unemployment disaster that has taken place was one of them. There are still people who haven't received dime one or who never received full compensation. He knew about the problem and failed to fix it and failed to fix it even after supposedly he hired a company to install new software.
Right now he has assigned Dane Eagle to oversee the department. I've met Dane in person and he is great in getting things done.
Once Trump leaves office, we'll see if DeSantis keeps his promises or if he caves to the leftists and shuts us down.
Trump has carried him; let's see how well he does on his own.
The GOP, once it gets over its drunken bender with the resident megalomaniac, will do just fine. It will continue to win elections well into the future. There is so much real talent on our side, some of it elevated by Trump (e.g., Pompeo)
Right now Trump is harming the party rather than helping, IMO, so the faster he's consigned to the dustbin, the better. Honestly, the Capitol mob has erased my last vestige of empathy for the man. What an embarrassment he has been. And one reason for my antipathy is that he has had no appreciation for how the party has carried his water. Loyalty to party means nothing to him.
@Jazzhead we can run as many staunch conservatives as we are able to and they won't win. Again, what part of DEM fraud and corruption preventing the GOP from holding seats don't you get??
Loyalty to party?? It should be the other way around. Those that we seat are elected officials and their loyalty should lay at the feet of those who voted for them. They work for us.
I have absolutely NO loyalty to the GOP. I have loyalty to the Constitution and to conservatives who are willing to uphold the constitution.
Based on how fervently CNN hates him, I would say he has promise.
Based on how fervently CNN hates him, I would say he has promise.My support of any candidate from this point forward will depend upon how strongly they oppose the leadership in both parties. The GOP can p*ss up a rope along with their rat ‘colleagues’.
DeSantis has been caught up in his lies. Blaming past Gov. Scott for the failure of the unemployment disaster that has taken place was one of them. There are still people who haven't received dime one or who never received full compensation. He knew about the problem and failed to fix it and failed to fix it even after supposedly he hired a company to install new software.
Based on how many people haven't received a dime in unemployment compensation or haven't received full compensation, I'd say his chances are slim to none. He narrowly won his seat by less than 1%.
I don't see another election in 2022 that isn't won by DEM fraud nor do I see any election in 2024 in the first place.
He would have to carry his own state to get the nomination and I don't see that happening.
I for one could support DeSantis or Haley.
I for one could support DeSantis or Haley. Trump's political demise may be a blessing by allowing some of this cream to rise.
@Right_in_Virginia
You made the assertion that Congressional Rs are trying to get Trump killed,
Such drama.
The GOP, once it gets over its drunken bender with the resident megalomaniac, will do just fine.
Choose wisely, as the democrats are seething with hate and rage towards Trump and any that haven't abandoned him. and the democrats have impeached Trump AGAIN. and the Trump haters and covert haters of Trump still seethe with rage with hatred and intolerance wanting to lynch Trump, and its only 'fair' and equal' for it to be so. Maybe we could have a lynch Trump topic weekly to mollify the anger, hatred, and intolerance, to be 'fair' and 'equal' of course. It's worked great so far, hasn't it? Visiting DU can come and feel right at home. Maybe hold a purge or two, eh? Remember, don't criticize them, they are ultra sensitive, esp when they pee on us.
No, I did not @HoustonSam I made the assertion that Congressional Rs adding fuel to the frenzy are helping to put the President's safety at risk ... whether these jackasses know it or not. Prove my assertion wrong.
I've said what I'm going to say to you on this @Right_in_Virginia; you can make of it whatever you want, and readers can reach their own conclusions.
Have a good evening and Happy New Year.
Keep posting @Jazzhead You're single-handedly killing the GOP. Thank you! :bighug:
Keep posting @Jazzhead You're single-handedly killing the GOP. Thank you! :bighug:
You really think it makes a difference what he or any of us post? I think you're overestimating the influence of this place.
LOL... Allegory is apparently not in your mental toolbox is it? 99% of the other Briefers knew RIV meant him cumulatively with his ilk.
Thanks for the insult, nonetheless, I think Jazzhead is giving his opinion like we all are.
If DeSantis survives, without throwing Trump under the bus in the process, he's good to go for 2024.
Republican RINO'S..screwed themselves. 99% ALL TRAITORS. What is to figure out?
Come on guys. There are so many lefties more deserving of your anger. Why take it out on members here?
We don't have a voting process any more. DOMINION MACHINES. ALL VOTER FRAUD. Why are people posting as if we have an AMERICA.....left?
Good question.
But in a short time, I think such anger will be redirected toward toward those who truly deserve it.
When one's freedom suddenly hangs in the balance, it tends to concentrate one's mind almost as remarkably as being shot at without effect.
BassWrangler wrote:
"Come on guys. There are so many lefties more deserving of your anger. Why take it out on members here?"
Because there are some here who ARE lefties. "Hiding in plain sight".
I believe there have also been some "paid disruptors", most of whom came and are now gone. Perhaps before you got here...
Knowing President Trump as we do, the only way he would come back in 2024 is if he built a broader coalition/Party that appealed to some registered Democrats who would "Walk Away" from their Party.
At the age of 78, that's unlikely.
Knowing President Trump as we do, the only way he would come back in 2024 is if he built a broader coalition/Party that appealed to some registered Democrats who would "Walk Away" from their Party.
At the age of 78, that's unlikely.
BassWranger wrote:
"And you are achieving WHAT by continuing to reply, over and over and over and over again to this one guy, who keeps saying the same things?"
You will NEVER see me replying to him (or them).
That's what the Briefing Room's "ignore" option is about (go to your home page and check it out).
I have an uncanny ability to spot such disruptors early on.
They earn a spot on my ignore list.
And they're never removed.
Why other members of this forum refuse to do that...
... well, you'll have to ask them.
We need a third party for President.....Ross Perot ! ! 22222frying pan Have you seen proud as a peacock McConnell lately, he looks like some body let all the air out of him. Arrogant ass to whipped puppy. Do you suppose people let him know how well he is appreciated ? McConnell sucks Pelosi's....
If you really want a 3rd party it needs to start at the State level if it's going to work. I really wouldn't worry about the Presidency. We should know after 2020 any person who seeks to represent middle America will not be allowed to win. If a 3rd party looks to the federal govt it should be in the House and Senate where they can be a key swing vote.
Ultimately we have to accept that the globalist, self enriching, establishment would prefer to crush the deplorables economically so they never rise up again. If we truly want our freedom we need a 3rd party to leverage power and find a way to separate from the USSA.
Good point. This is how we incrementally build a 3rd party.
But do you need to? The existing GOP is inclined in Trump's policy direction; it's really just a matter of getting over your butthurt that Trump was rejected for who he was.
But do you need to? The existing GOP is inclined in Trump's policy direction;
it's really just a matter of getting over your butthurt that Trump was rejected for who he was.
And all y'all voted em in...
A third party is a vanity exercise. If the goal is political power, then work within the GOP - just as Trump himself did.
These third party movement always crop up and go nowhere, remember alan keyes? Still waiting for him to make a splash as the Conservative Party nominee.
A third party is a vanity exercise. If the goal is political power, then work within the GOP - just as Trump himself did.
And even if there is a Third Party, if they want to actually get anything done, they would still have to cooperate with the GOP to do it. Essentially it's exactly what it is now.
Yes, but in theory you eventually break up the two party monopoly and you get smaller parties that have to compromise and form coalitions to get anything passed. Unlike the current system where Mitch McConnell and Nancy Pelosi control everything.
Another thing to consider is that it will take a lot of infrastructure and working with other companies to get a party off the ground. Now imagine the pressure on those companies to not do business with a "Trumpist Party", now they aren't quite at the point of cutting off the Republican Party, why reinvent the wheel?
I've been advocating for a viable 3rd party long before Trump came on the scene. I think it's not healthy that we have only two large political parties.
And even if there is a Third Party, if they want to actually get anything done, they would still have to cooperate with the GOP to do it. Essentially it's exactly what it is now.
Another thing to consider is that it will take a lot of infrastructure and working with other companies to get a party off the ground. Now imagine the pressure on those companies to not do business with a "Trumpist Party", now they aren't quite at the point of cutting off the Republican Party, why reinvent the wheel?
No there's a big difference.
A true 3rd party that elects House Reps and Senators quickly becomes a key swing vote. If the two establishment parties can't secure a clear majority then they have to negotiate with the America First Party. If they just negotiate amongst themselves the new America First Party will grow in the following elections. People are fed up. The Pubs failed us, it's insane to keep trying to do the same thing and expect different results. We tried reforming the Pubs with the TEA Party movement and tried again with the MAGA movement. It's time to do something different.
I don't think the new party should have any direct association with Trump. The party can have an America First platform. It doesn't need to attach itself to Trump's hindquarters. Let Trump take his well deserved retirement from public life.
Trump is the key, even if he wants to slow down he will be needed to get things going and get most of the 75 million plus who voted for him on board.
Trump is key if you go the third party route. What a third party needs is credibility, and only Trump could provide that. But somehow I think his next priority will be saving his businesses. All of the events of the last several weeks have damaged his brand too.
The GOP provides organization and credibility. As for its brand, that can be changed to
After all this, do you think Trump really cares about his businesses? He knew what was coming when he dared to challenge the Deep State, he's enjoyed his wealth for most of his life, but he also realizes as he gets older, that in the end, you can't take it with you.
Trump is the key, even if he wants to slow down he will be needed to get things going and get most of the 75 million plus who voted for him on board.
I think the next four years will rival the three deflationary years in the 30s that resulted in the Great Depression. We will have similar outcomes with Biden behind the wheel.
When I was 14 years old, never having been behind the wheel of a car, my cousin(age 18) drove me to a girlfriend's house he picked up, the two of them climbed into the back seat, and he told me to drive them around, at night in the streets of Mt. Washington in Pittsburgh. He had a column mounted standard tranny in this Mercury Comet. I drove them around for an hour, and I was so nervous I could not look in the mirror to see what they were up to.
On Traitor Joe's best day, he will not measure up to my effort at 14 behind the wheel. I was successful, but Traitor Joe will not generate success. Massive unemployment, companies fleeing the USA with his tax increases, a weakened nation in every way, and ultimately mass starvation are what we should expect. Like a movie sequel, we will experience Depression 2. Count on it.
And with that prediction, if true, unless Congress impeaches Trump, which I believe there is a chance for that to happen, Trump would have plenty to run on again, either as a Republican, or even creating a new party. The Republicans will not be looked at favorably either since so many of them impeached Trump. And ten rats in the House voting to impeach Trump is a huge number from my view, particularly Republicans in leadership, i.e. Liz Cheney. Cheney is at the top of the list of globalists that need to be primaried and removed from office.
If the American people cannot have TERM LIMITS, then at a minimum, we should focus out efforts on getting rid of RINOs and globalists.
People signed on with Trump for his policies. They'll sign on with someone else if they espoused those policies, seem genuine, and seem electable. There's nothing magical about Trump.
Good luck finding that 'someone else'.
People signed on with Trump for his policies. They'll sign on with someone else if they espoused those policies, seem genuine, and seem electable. There's nothing magical about Trump.
Absolutely there is! NO ONE ELSE ESPOUSED THOSE POLICIES or plans. THAT is the issue. POTUS TRUMP IS MAGICAL. ANYONE EVER WALK OVER INTO DMZ OF North Korea? NO. LEADERS ARE SUPPORTING POTUS TRUMP AGAINST TWITTER CENSORSHIP. I forgot to see if you are male. Then you espouse male TRUMP ENVY. lol
He was definitely the first. Let's see what happens. It's possible his ignominious end will discourage any successor. I hope not, because I think Trump's political future is over.
As long as President Trump keeps his faculties, there is no reason why Donald Trump, Jr., or even Ivanka couldn't run...on his coattails.
The Great 'Brain' behind the public curtain with a 'Kissingeresque' persona.
As long as President Trump keeps his faculties, there is no reason why Donald Trump, Jr., or even Ivanka couldn't run...on his coattails."or even Ivanka couldn't run...on his coattails."
The Great 'Brain' behind the public curtain with a 'Kissingeresque' persona.
Considering Ivanka pushed for and got passed the most radically Liberal policies of her daddy's administration..I'll take a hard pass on her carrying on his legacy.
Considering Ivanka pushed for and got passed the most radically Liberal policies of her daddy's administration..I'll take a hard pass on her carrying on his legacy.
Considering Ivanka pushed for and got passed the most radically Liberal policies of her daddy's administration..I'll take a hard pass on her carrying on his legacy.
I'd prefer a populist who can control his emotions.
He was definitely the first. Let's see what happens. It's possible his ignominious end will discourage any successor. I hope not, because I think Trump's political future is over.
Considering Ivanka pushed for and got passed the most radically Liberal policies of her daddy's administration..I'll take a hard pass on her carrying on his legacy.
What are those? I need to know.
She lobbied daddy to stay in the Paris climate accords...she helped kill a proposed executive order that would have scrapped Obama-era L.G.B.T. protections...she backed backed paid family leave for federal employees...and she also pressed for "affordable" child care.
And let's not forget that until daddy ran for President she and her hubby were registered Democrats.
You may see it differently, I think Trump controls his emotions just fine, a lot of it is calculated to elicit certain responses.
She lobbied daddy to stay in the Paris climate accords...she helped kill a proposed executive order that would have scrapped Obama-era L.G.B.T. protections...she backed backed paid family leave for federal employees...and she also pressed for "affordable" child care.
And let's not forget that until daddy ran for President she and her hubby were registered Democrats.
Well he didn't stay in PARIS ACCORD. L.G.B.T. protections? What is that? Family leave is, for ALL PEOPLE'S. Not just federal. Affordable child care? Did we get that? THE HORROR. Sorry too lame. Not even radical. So much TRUMP ENVY. It never stops.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/white-house-publishes-list-of-trump-presidency-accomplishment_3659333.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-01-16-4 (https://www.theepochtimes.com/white-house-publishes-list-of-trump-presidency-accomplishment_3659333.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-01-16-4)
Republicans Have a Choice to Make Post-Trump, They’d Best Choose Wisely
By Bonchie | Jan 11, 2021 10:30 PM ET
Sometimes a take so bad comes across the wire that it’s worth using as a jumping off point for a bigger thought. That happened today in the form of an editorial put out by the Washington Examiner. In it, Tiana Lowe explains that Kevin McCarthy should be booted as House minority leader, not to be replaced with a more effective figure that Republican voters can get behind, but to be pave the way for Liz Cheney.
Yes, there are apparently people still out there that believe Liz Cheney represents the future of the party.
more
https://redstate.com/bonchie/2021/01/11/if-you-think-liz-cheney-is-the-future-youve-learned-absolutely-nothing-n308436
I'd prefer a populist who can control his emotions.
Last one (RWR) left politics left office 32 years ago. That breed of elephant doesn't exist anymore.
What's the point then, they are no better than Democrats.
Well he didn't stay in PARIS ACCORD. L.G.B.T. protections? What is that? Family leave is, for ALL PEOPLE'S. Not just federal. Affordable child care? Did we get that? THE HORROR. Sorry too lame. Not even radical. So much TRUMP ENVY. It never stops.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/white-house-publishes-list-of-trump-presidency-accomplishment_3659333.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-01-16-4 (https://www.theepochtimes.com/white-house-publishes-list-of-trump-presidency-accomplishment_3659333.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-01-16-4)
@andy58-in-nh
Ahhh,you prefer being a slave of the Borg.
Good to know.
Ummm. right. That's why my TBR avatar is alcohol, tobacco and firearms. **nononono*
Now that's an ATF I can enthusiastically support.
Well he didn't stay in PARIS ACCORD. L.G.B.T. protections? What is that? Family leave is, for ALL PEOPLE'S. Not just federal. Affordable child care? Did we get that? THE HORROR. Sorry too lame. Not even radical. So much TRUMP ENVY. It never stops.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/white-house-publishes-list-of-trump-presidency-accomplishment_3659333.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-01-16-4 (https://www.theepochtimes.com/white-house-publishes-list-of-trump-presidency-accomplishment_3659333.html?utm_source=newsnoe&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-01-16-4)
So you asked for examples of Ivanka Trump’s liberal beliefs and when @txradioguy points them out to you your only response is to lash out at him and name call
This is the kind of behavior progressives engage in
And the thing is there are other examples...those were just the ones that came to mind without a Google search.
@txradioguy @LMAO
Would someone kindly point out to me which offices Ivanka has been elected to hold?
And the thing is there are other examples...those were just the ones that came to mind without a Google search.
Like Jared...she was an unelected senior advisor. You know this...don't be obtuse about it.
As long as President Trump keeps his faculties, there is no reason why Donald Trump, Jr., or even Ivanka couldn't run...on his coattails.Wait, we didn't want Bush, Clinton or any other dynasties but Trump dynasty is good? Thank you, no thank you I don't want any dynasties, not Trump nor any other.
The Great 'Brain' behind the public curtain with a 'Kissingeresque' persona.
Wait, we didn't want Bush, Clinton or any other dynasties but Trump dynasty is good? Thank you, no thank you I don't want any dynasties, not Trump nor any other.
@txradioguy
If you are trying to say they didn't hole any public office and had no authority to do anything,why not just go ahead and say it?
Wait, we didn't want Bush, Clinton or any other dynasties but Trump dynasty is good? Thank you, no thank you I don't want any dynasties, not Trump nor any other.
Wait, we didn't want Bush, Clinton or any other dynasties but Trump dynasty is good? Thank you, no thank you I don't want any dynasties, not Trump nor any other.
I certainly don't like the liberalism that Ivanka is behind and I've never trusted Jared. They should have never been near the WH period.
With amnesty being granted, there is no way another GOP is going to be seated; besides the DEMS have fraudulent voting down to a science. So...another Trump isn't going to be seated.
As for dynasties. We're about to see another one unveiled; just wait till Joe steps down and Harris becomes Prez, we'll see Michelle as her VP! I think later on we'll likely see Chelsea Clinton get her feet wet. Just what we don't need -- more political dynasties.
Trump had his 4 years while his sons ran his businesses. His kids helped him campaign. That's enough.
I certainly don't like the liberalism that Ivanka is behind and I've never trusted Jared. They should have never been near the WH period.
In your dreams you unserious idiot.
There is nothing Trump has or is for me to be jealous of.
In your dreams you unserious idiot.
There is nothing Trump has or is for me to be jealous of.
@txradioguy
You misinterpreted my reply to you. I wasn’t suggesting that you have male Trump envy. I was giving you the typical LA’s response to any criticism regarding Trump in jest
I do believe that was @LMAO simply mocking the one you should be referring to...
She tries to pull that 'tump envy' crap all the time...
@txradioguy
You misinterpreted my reply to you. I wasn’t suggesting that you have male Trump envy. I was giving you the typical LA’s response to any criticism regarding Trump in jest
You're right and I corrected my mistake. My apologies.
You're right...and in hindsight @LMAO was mocking @LegalAmerican and I deleted my post.
Not even close to the point I'm trying to make. But the you already know that.
QuoteI certainly don't like the liberalism that Ivanka is behind and I've never trusted Jared.
@libertybele
I don't believe I have ever heard her express any political belief,and WTH would vote for Jared? He has never held office or done anything else other than hang on to his father's coat tails.QuoteThey should have never been near the WH period.
Uhhh,you DO know they were related to the President,and that the President lived there,right?QuoteWith amnesty being granted, there is no way another GOP is going to be seated
Maybe a dedicated and trusted RINO like JEB Bush,but that's about it. Since Babs has died there hasn't been a real man IN the whole damn Bush Clan,so I see them scrambling just to try to hold on to what they have.