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Ted Cruz: John Bolton ouster may signal 'deep state forces' winning fight to salvage Obama Iran deal
by Daniel Chaitin
| September 10, 2019 06:57 PM
Sen. Ted Cruz openly speculated that "deep state forces" may have influenced President Trump's decision to force out national security adviser John Bolton.
Bolton, a foreign policy hawk, was a key figure behind Trump's decision to pull out of the Iran nuclear deal. In a flurry of tweets Tuesday, Cruz wondered if Bolton's exit signals Trump has been convinced to go "soft" on Iran.
"I sincerely hope his leaving the White House does not mean that the deep-state forces at State and Treasury—who have been fighting tooth and nail to preserve the Obama Iran nuclear deal—have finally convinced the president to go soft on Iran," the Texas Republican said.
"Relaxing the maximum pressure strategy, which is succeeding in dramatically weakening the world’s leading state sponsor of terror, would be an enormous mistake," he added.
more
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/ted-cruz-john-bolton-ouster-may-signal-deep-state-forces-winning-fight-to-salvage-obama-iran-deal (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/ted-cruz-john-bolton-ouster-may-signal-deep-state-forces-winning-fight-to-salvage-obama-iran-deal)
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Ted Cruz: John Bolton ouster may signal 'deep state forces' winning fight to salvage Obama Iran deal
by Daniel Chaitin
| September 10, 2019 06:57 PM
Sen. Ted Cruz openly speculated that "deep state forces" may have influenced President Trump's decision to force out national security adviser John Bolton.
Bolton, a foreign policy hawk, was a key figure behind Trump's decision to pull out of the Iran nuclear deal. In a flurry of tweets Tuesday, Cruz wondered if Bolton's exit signals Trump has been convinced to go "soft" on Iran.
"I sincerely hope his leaving the White House does not mean that the deep-state forces at State and Treasury—who have been fighting tooth and nail to preserve the Obama Iran nuclear deal—have finally convinced the president to go soft on Iran," the Texas Republican said.
"Relaxing the maximum pressure strategy, which is succeeding in dramatically weakening the world’s leading state sponsor of terror, would be an enormous mistake," he added.
more
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/ted-cruz-john-bolton-ouster-may-signal-deep-state-forces-winning-fight-to-salvage-obama-iran-deal (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/ted-cruz-john-bolton-ouster-may-signal-deep-state-forces-winning-fight-to-salvage-obama-iran-deal)
Cruz has a point and he is once again probably correct.
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OK. I am done. No more Cruz for me.
Anyone who utters 'Deep State' is utterly off my list.
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Ted Cruz is 100% correct here but I hope the deep state does not win in the end. Not looking good for my side at present.
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OK. I am done. No more Cruz for me.
Anyone who utters 'Deep State' is utterly off my list.
I just uttered that @roamer_1! What would you prefer us to call the unelected and completely unaccountable beauracy in Washington?
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I smell a rat
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I just uttered that @roamer_1! What would you prefer us to call the unelected and completely unaccountable beauracy in Washington?
You mean the bureaucracy that is 100% controlled by Tump? Who runs the Foreign Policy office? The Administration. Who runs the LEO offices like HLS and FBI? The Administration.
Next.
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I just uttered that @roamer_1! What would you prefer us to call the unelected and completely unaccountable beauracy in Washington?
Was there a deep state before Trump took office?
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Was there a deep state before Trump took office?
Yes, @FeelNoPain except we called it Government.
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I smell a rat
Absolutely. Trump needs to show his Princess and her Creepy Herman the door.
(Btw love your new avatar)
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You mean the bureaucracy that is 100% controlled by Tump? Who runs the Foreign Policy office? The Administration. Who runs the LEO offices like HLS and FBI? The Administration.
Next.
No! Decidedly NOT controlled by Trump or any other president for that matter and that has been the case for far too long. Since Woodrow Wilson at least! Presidents get to appoint a few people at the top of agencies and those people ultimately have little to no control over the people with GS numbers who allegedly work for them. "I'll still be here when you are long gone Mr. Secretary" is a mantra too often heard in Washington these days.
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This potentially could become a linchpin event that sees someone entering the race against Trump, a big name.
And, I thought for a moment, I saw something about Carly Fiorina entering the race That was posted here, wasn't it??
I just did a search and found 2 articles on her today, NRO and National Interest:
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/failed-2016-candidate-carly-fiorina-never-trumper-79366 (https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/failed-2016-candidate-carly-fiorina-never-trumper-79366)
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/should-we-read-anything-into-carly-fiorinas-tweets/ (https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/should-we-read-anything-into-carly-fiorinas-tweets/)
Someone did post something on her today? Didn't they? About her possibly running so I'll probably hold off on these for now.
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I posted a poll earlier today @TomSea
Will Carly Fiorina run for President 2020?
http://216.224.171.220/index.php?topic=375041.0 (http://216.224.171.220/index.php?topic=375041.0)
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"I sincerely hope his leaving the White House does not mean that the deep-state forces at State and Treasury—who have been fighting tooth and nail to preserve the Obama Iran nuclear deal—have finally convinced the president to go soft on Iran," the Texas Republican said.
I think this is a genius tactical move by Cruz. He associates Trump himself with the very swamp he's supposed to be draining, while blaming that swamp, rather than Trump's mercurial narcissism, for yet another revolving-door exit of "only the best people."
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OK. I am done. No more Cruz for me.
Anyone who utters 'Deep State' is utterly off my list.
I am confused. I don't think Cruz wants that. I think he is worried that the President is heading in that direction.
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This potentially could become a linchpin event that sees someone entering the race against Trump, a big name.
And, I thought for a moment, I saw something about Carly Fiorina entering the race That was posted here, wasn't it??
I just did a search and found 2 articles on her today, NRO and National Interest:
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/failed-2016-candidate-carly-fiorina-never-trumper-79366 (https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/failed-2016-candidate-carly-fiorina-never-trumper-79366)
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/should-we-read-anything-into-carly-fiorinas-tweets/ (https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/should-we-read-anything-into-carly-fiorinas-tweets/)
Someone did post something on her today? Didn't they? About her possibly running so I'll probably hold off on these for now.
Fiorina against that witch Warren.
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This speculation from Cruz surprises me. If there's one thing President Trump is not going to do is reenter the Iran "deal".
If anything, what the President has done is broken the unholy alliance building between Bolton --- acting above his pay grade --- and Netanyahu who lately have teamed up supporting action against Iran. The actions taken by POTUS may well have prevented us from getting sucked into another vortex costing American blood and treasure in the Middle East.
With his decision, POTUS has also shut off a foghorn coming from his administration insisting we must stay in Afghanistan for another 18 years because ... well, it's what we do.
What surprises me is Cruz seems to be out of the loop. :shrug:
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This potentially could become a linchpin event that sees someone entering the race against Trump, a big name.
What would he or she run on .... war with Iran and war in Afghanistan into perpetuity?
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Just cause the West Wing gave Cruz his balls back 6 months ago doesn't necessarily mean he's in the 'proverbial' loop.
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This speculation from Cruz surprises me. If there's one thing President Trump is not going to do is reenter the Iran "deal".
If anything, what the President has done is broken the unholy alliance building between Bolton --- acting above his pay grade --- and Netanyahu who lately have teamed up supporting action against Iran. The actions taken by POTUS may well have prevented us from getting sucked into another vortex costing American blood and treasure in the Middle East.
With his decision, POTUS has also shut off a foghorn coming from his administration insisting we must stay in Afghanistan for another 18 years because ... well, it's what we do.
What surprises me is Cruz seems to be out of the loop. :shrug:
I'm sure you don't understand what Cruz is talking about here. He is not talking about anything the president might do and is talking about what the deep state is actively doing.
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No! Decidedly NOT controlled by Trump or any other president for that matter and that has been the case for far too long. Since Woodrow Wilson at least! Presidents get to appoint a few people at the top of agencies and those people ultimately have little to no control over the people with GS numbers who allegedly work for them. "I'll still be here when you are long gone Mr. Secretary" is a mantra too often heard in Washington these days.
Agreed, @Bigun, and it's shocking naiveté to not recognize the existence of the deep state.
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I'm sure you don't understand what Cruz is talking about here. He is not talking about anything the president might do and is talking about what the deep state is actively doing.
I do get that @Bigun But this is one of the areas where the deep state needs the POTUS..... and it doesn't have him.
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I do get that @Bigun But this is one of the areas where the deep state needs the POTUS..... and it doesn't have him.
I think it's the exact opposite @Right_in_Virginia.
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Agreed, @Bigun, and it's shocking naiveté to not recognize the existence of the deep state.
Absolutely! They are a much bigger problem than those who hold elective office IMHO.
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Agreed, @Bigun, and it's shocking naiveté to not recognize the existence of the deep state.
Not surprising here, where the driving force is whatever ideas can be construed to have an anti-Trump angle.
I remember my father, talking about career, non-political appointees, in government.
One his personal friends was Howard Jarvis, of Prop 13 note.
A group of them had been with Reagan, since his Governor days.
The point was, when a President took office, his power was limited to a relatively small number of "Political" appointees.
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@Right_in_Virginia
Believe it or doubt it, Senator Cruz alleged over a week ago that the deep state is trying to sabotage the Iran deal.
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“I'm here to tell you the deep state is alive and well,†he told a packed room at the conservative think tank.
Those sharing Cruz’s belief in the deep state say there is a body of career civil servants within federal agencies who hold extreme loyalty to the Obama administration and are involved in secret manipulation of the government to thwart President Donald Trump’s policies and agenda.
Cruz, who sits on the Foreign Relations Committee, pointed to efforts by the Treasury and State departments to preserve certain elements of the Iran nuclear deal, an Obama-era agreement that Trump has railed against and withdrew the United States from in May 2018.
https://www.rollcall.com/news/ted-cruz-preaches-deep-state-warnings-to-establishment-washington (https://www.rollcall.com/news/ted-cruz-preaches-deep-state-warnings-to-establishment-washington)
Those are quite some accusations he is making.
The speech he made was to the Hudson Institute.
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,374648.msg2049751.html#new (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,374648.msg2049751.html#new)
We are all saying, it's a done deal, we withdrew from the deal or Trump withdrew from the deal, administration but he does give specific examples.
It could also be said to sound conspiratorial tin hat at that but he is sitting on the committees, so I think there must be something there.
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You mean the bureaucracy that is 100% controlled by Tump? Who runs the Foreign Policy office? The Administration. Who runs the LEO offices like HLS and FBI? The Administration.
Next.
:yowsa:
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Oh, so Ted Cruz doesn't know what he's talking about? Is that what you mean?
Next.
:silly:
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Oh, so Ted Cruz doesn't know what he's talking about? Is that what you mean?
Next.
Ted Cruz does know what he is talking about. Its that Trump is weak to the Deep State. Roamer is right too. Trump is the Deep State.
Next.
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Absolutely. Trump needs to show his Princess and her Creepy Herman the door.
(Btw love your new avatar)
True. Absolute liberals, the pair. He is creepy, very.
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So, the ones who distrust the Government the most are the ones who complain the loudest about an outsider if he's not a magician waving a magic wand to fix everything right away.
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So, the ones who distrust the Government the most are the ones who complain the loudest about an outsider if he's not a magician waving a magic wand to fix everything right away.
:troll:
That was the lie of it all. Trump was never an outsider. People really forget his ties to DC. His lobbying. His past desires to run for President. He's begged at the feet of many politicians. Regular golf buddies and friends too.
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Behold, the Deep State!
Amorphous, evil, ever to blame, and never to be identified...
MUHUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
RUUUUUUUNNNNN! The Deeeep State! It's cooooommmminggggg!
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK!!!!
Sorry... The Deep State made me do it. :whistle:
O_M_G !! I can't believe it took me this long to see it. *****rollingeyes*****
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That was the lie of it all. Trump was never an outsider. People really forget his ties to DC. His lobbying. His past desires to run for President. He's begged at the feet of many politicians. Regular golf buddies and friends too.
Trump has always in my eyes been a left of center sleazy developer. How we got into this predicament with him where he is is beyond bizzare.
Bolton's departure is just another click closer to that leftward shift we all expected. Sad so many on our side got duped by this political trojan horse.
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No! Decidedly NOT controlled by Trump or any other president for that matter and that has been the case for far too long. Since Woodrow Wilson at least! Presidents get to appoint a few people at the top of agencies and those people ultimately have little to no control over the people with GS numbers who allegedly work for them. "I'll still be here when you are long gone Mr. Secretary" is a mantra too often heard in Washington these days.
Start pointing fingers. Point em out.
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Start pointing fingers. Point em out.
I am a little confused. Career Beaurecrats are the Deep State?
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I am a little confused. Career Beaurecrats are the Deep State?
Right. moles planted and controlled by democrat leadership, I guess...
Sorry, I have just experienced suspension of my suspension of disbelief.
Moving into I cry bullcrap territory.
Where's the deep state participants perpwalking and frog-marching these last four years ?
This only ends one way - With NOBODY ever identified, and a whole lot of sacrificed principles done in by chasing after boogey monsters.
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Trump has always in my eyes been a left of center sleazy developer.
That's right.
How we got into this predicament with him where he is is beyond bizzare.
Bolton's departure is just another click closer to that leftward shift we all expected. Sad so many on our side got duped by this political trojan horse.
That's right too.
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Right. moles planted and controlled by democrat leadership, I guess...
Sorry, I have just experienced suspension of my suspension of disbelief.
Moving into I cry bullcrap territory.
Where's the deep state participants perpwalking and frog-marching these last four years ?
This only ends one way - With NOBODY ever identified, and a whole lot of sacrificed principles done in by chasing after boogey monsters.
For such an "effective, strong leader," a veritable "stable genius" capable of "six dimensional chess" blessed with the clairvoyance to "hire the best people" and sitting in the most powerful seat in the world, Trump sure is victimized a lot.
Maybe he's too busy flinging poo at actresses on twitter to take on the shadowy Deep State?
The Deep State. This nefarious 100 year cabal of self-perpetuating (or vampire?) bureaucrats who was somehow able to help guide the U.S. to economic supremacy, to Cold War victory, and to being lone superpower as they diabolically undermined presidents--only Republican presidents?--only Trump?
Nothing is ever Trump's fault. Ever. The buck always stops elsewhere (except those that land in his corrupt administration's pocket). His failings are never the result of his own incompetent, incurious, despotic, nepotistic, narcissistic insipidity; rather, it's "bad advice" or "fake news" or "deep state" or "Soros-aligned maneuverings" or "spineless RINOs."
Thank goodness we have QAnon primed (soon...it's coming!) to expose and vanquish the Deep State.
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For such an "effective, strong leader," a veritable "stable genius" capable of "six dimensional chess" blessed with the clairvoyance to "hire the best people" and sitting in the most powerful seat in the world, Trump sure is victimized a lot.
Maybe he's too busy flinging poo at actresses on twitter to take on the shadowy Deep State?
The Deep State. This nefarious 100 year cabal of self-perpetuating (or vampire?) bureaucrats who was somehow able to help guide the U.S. to economic supremacy, to Cold War victory, and to being lone superpower as they diabolically undermined presidents--only Republican presidents?--only Trump?
Nothing is ever Trump's fault. Ever. The buck always stops elsewhere (except those that land in his corrupt administration's pocket). His failings are never the result of his own incompetent, incurious, despotic, nepotistic, narcissistic insipidity; rather, it's "bad advice" or "fake news" or "deep state" or "Soros-aligned maneuverings" or "spineless RINOs."
Thank goodness we have QAnon primed (soon...it's coming!) to expose and vanquish the Deep State.
Trump is the Chosen One alright. He's chosen to move this country further left than any Conservative could ever imagine. You would have thought it would be kicking and screaming. But this Deep State clown slid right in smoother than peanut butter. All he had to do was get the blessing of the Evangelicals.
What's the worst thing in this country? The move left the social engineering. The thought police. Everyone should have seen it coming. The big bad Trump that always cowered at the feet of Nancy and Chuck. Behind the scenes homosexual agenda. Things that don't get reported to QAnon. Like that he pushed all countries to abolish laws against homosexuality as a global human right. Well there's nothing hateful against homosexuals here. We have one running for president. Yet they continue to force themselves on everyone. Suing people who don't want to bake a homosexual cake. Don't want to hold a homosexual wedding. Don't want to make homosexual announcements.
Liberal Trumps have changed the face of America in ways we probably don't even know. Very, very liberal Ivanka and Jared pulling the strings.
As for the Jerry Falwell Jr. show. That guy is crazy. New reports of him partying in a nightclub. His covering up of pictures of his wife and him. Even Christianity isn't Christianity anymore. Lots of mega church pro Trump Evangelicals and their NAR New Age malarkey. We are heading to the New Age of Aquarius via the political church.
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Start pointing fingers. Point em out.
With pleasure @roamer-1! Get yourself a government directory from the GSA and look at virtually EVERY name in it that has a GS number associated with it! NOT those subject to the will of the President but the career service people particularly in the Department of State and all that interact with it!
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Right. moles planted and controlled by democrat leadership, I guess...
EXACTLY right @roamer_1! Carefully planned and put into place over a LONG period of time beginning with the Woodrow Wilson administration!
Sorry, I have just experienced suspension of my suspension of disbelief.
Moving into I cry bullcrap territory.
You can suspend whatever you wish and cry whatever you like but it won't change the reality of the situation! Putting one's head in the sand is of no use whatever.
Where's the deep state participants perpwalking and frog-marching these last four years ?
Good question! But given what I have explained above I can somewhat understand it taking a long time and fully believe that it's going to happen very soon.
This only ends one way - With NOBODY ever identified, and a whole lot of sacrificed principles done in by chasing after boogey monsters.
I sincerely hope you are proven to be 100% wrong and believe you will be.
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For such an "effective, strong leader," a veritable "stable genius" capable of "six dimensional chess" blessed with the clairvoyance to "hire the best people" and sitting in the most powerful seat in the world, Trump sure is victimized a lot.
Maybe he's too busy flinging poo at actresses on twitter to take on the shadowy Deep State?
The Deep State. This nefarious 100 year cabal of self-perpetuating (or vampire?) bureaucrats who was somehow able to help guide the U.S. to economic supremacy, to Cold War victory, and to being lone superpower as they diabolically undermined presidents--only Republican presidents?--only Trump?
Nothing is ever Trump's fault. Ever. The buck always stops elsewhere (except those that land in his corrupt administration's pocket). His failings are never the result of his own incompetent, incurious, despotic, nepotistic, narcissistic insipidity; rather, it's "bad advice" or "fake news" or "deep state" or "Soros-aligned maneuverings" or "spineless RINOs."
Thank goodness we have QAnon primed (soon...it's coming!) to expose and vanquish the Deep State.
Do you think that anyone alive would have been able to accomplish more in this short time given the situation as it exists and not as you seem to think it exists?
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Just waking up on this solemn day is so damn depressing, Trump tweeting about fake polls just prior to the Moment of Silence, depresses me even more. Just as 18 years ago we were faced with a critical choice, so were we 15 years later in 2016. It's SAD that so many Republicans decided that instead of putting this Country on the right track it'd be better to sit back and watch liberal heads explode for at least 4 years.
(https://memecrunch.com/meme/A0G9I/are-you-not-entertained/image.png?w=480&c=1)
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Just waking up on this solemn day is so damn depressing, Trump tweeting about fake polls just prior to the Moment of Silence, depresses me even more. Just as 18 years ago we were faced with a critical choice, so were we 15 years later in 2016. It's SAD that so many Republicans decided that instead of putting this Country on the right track it'd be better to sit back and watch liberal heads explode for at least 4 years.
(https://memecrunch.com/meme/A0G9I/are-you-not-entertained/image.png?w=480&c=1)
He brought up polls right before a 9-11 Remembrance ceremony? Tell me you are kidding.....
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He brought up polls right before a 9-11 Remembrance ceremony? Tell me you are kidding.....
@catfish1957
Trump rages over 'phony' poll
By Brett Samuels - 09/11/19 08:40 AM EDT
President Trump on Wednesday lashed out at a new Washington Post–ABC News poll showing him trailing five Democratic presidential candidates, dismissing it as a "phony suppression poll."
The president sent three tweets complaining about the poll just minutes before he was scheduled to participate in a moment of silence marking the anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.
Trump blasted the Post and ABC as "one of the worst pollsters of them all." He claimed the news outlets projected him to lose by "15 points" in 2016, though their final poll predicted Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton would win by 4 percentage points.
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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/460855-trump-dismisses-poll-showing-five-democrats-leading-him-in (https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/460855-trump-dismisses-poll-showing-five-democrats-leading-him-in)
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Trump is the Chosen One alright. He's chosen to move this country further left than any Conservative could ever imagine. You would have thought it would be kicking and screaming. But this Deep State clown slid right in smoother than peanut butter. All he had to do was get the blessing of the Evangelicals.
What's the worst thing in this country? The move left the social engineering. The thought police. Everyone should have seen it coming. The big bad Trump that always cowered at the feet of Nancy and Chuck. Behind the scenes homosexual agenda. Things that don't get reported to QAnon. Like that he pushed all countries to abolish laws against homosexuality as a global human right. Well there's nothing hateful against homosexuals here. We have one running for president. Yet they continue to force themselves on everyone. Suing people who don't want to bake a homosexual cake. Don't want to hold a homosexual wedding. Don't want to make homosexual announcements.
Liberal Trumps have changed the face of America in ways we probably don't even know. Very, very liberal Ivanka and Jared pulling the strings.
As for the Jerry Falwell Jr. show. That guy is crazy. New reports of him partying in a nightclub. His covering up of pictures of his wife and him. Even Christianity isn't Christianity anymore. Lots of mega church pro Trump Evangelicals and their NAR New Age malarkey. We are heading to the New Age of Aquarius via the political church.
Christianity IS Christianity and always will be @Chosen Daughter You have a choice not to follow the New Age b.s. I stopped going to church because of all the malarkey. The denominational churches demand $$$ and then give it to leftist causes and non-denominational churches do the same and I have yet to meet a born again Christian that wasn't hypocritical. I continue to pray every day, read the Bible and strive to have a closer relationship with God Almighty the Lord Jesus Christ.
Trust in your Christian beliefs and roots. Refuse to become a part of the attack on Christianity and those who try to destroy it from within the churches.
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For such an "effective, strong leader," a veritable "stable genius" capable of "six dimensional chess" blessed with the clairvoyance to "hire the best people" and sitting in the most powerful seat in the world, Trump sure is victimized a lot.
Maybe he's too busy flinging poo at actresses on twitter to take on the shadowy Deep State?
The Deep State. This nefarious 100 year cabal of self-perpetuating (or vampire?) bureaucrats who was somehow able to help guide the U.S. to economic supremacy, to Cold War victory, and to being lone superpower as they diabolically undermined presidents--only Republican presidents?--only Trump?
@FeelNoPain
Hey wait! I think I've seen this series plot before...
(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/5/55/HYDRA_Insignia.png/revision/latest?cb=20160808030547)
Nothing is ever Trump's fault. Ever. The buck always stops elsewhere (except those that land in his corrupt administration's pocket). His failings are never the result of his own incompetent, incurious, despotic, nepotistic, narcissistic insipidity; rather, it's "bad advice" or "fake news" or "deep state" or "Soros-aligned maneuverings" or "spineless RINOs."
Con-job 101 - Always have someone to blame. Once you have gained trust, protect that trust by pointing bad things elsewhere.
Thank goodness we have QAnon primed (soon...it's coming!) to expose and vanquish the Deep State.
RIIIIGHT. What ever happened to that anyway??? I thought Hillary was gonna be frog-marched to the gallows and all? Oh, yeah, I forgot... IT'S COMING... JUST WAIT!!! *****rollingeyes*****
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Trump is the Chosen One alright. He's chosen to move this country further left than any Conservative could ever imagine. You would have thought it would be kicking and screaming. But this Deep State clown slid right in smoother than peanut butter. All he had to do was get the blessing of the Evangelicals.
Yep, and the Evangelicals will be the political bagholders
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EXACTLY right @roamer_1! Carefully planned and put into place over a LONG period of time beginning with the Woodrow Wilson administration!
@Bigun
Riiiiight. The DEMS can fire em, but we can't!
Why, pray tell, don't we have our own 'Deep State' patriots embedded likewise?
If it IS true, which is beyond absurd, then all you have proven is again, how worthless and bumbling the Republican party has been.
I will bet you right now, there will never be a damn thing proven about this 'Deep State' bullcrap, and 'Q' will never get the goods, nor be identified... And all this whole line of crap is, is a boogey man to blame, and rally against.
It will vanish like a fart in a windstorm. Watch and see.
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Do you think that anyone alive would have been able to accomplish more in this short time given the situation as it exists and not as you seem to think it exists?
Unless of course it isn't real, and the whole thing is a show.
He really has not accomplished anything in the long run....
Like I said, give me the things he has done that we actually get to keep.
Wheres the beef?
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@Bigun
Riiiiight. The DEMS can fire em, but we can't!
No! The Dems cannot FIRE them any more than the Republicans can and it was carefully planned and laws created that make it so. IIRC republicans were very much in the wilderness for 40+ years in Washington until Newt came along and changed that with his contract for America in 1994.
Why, pray tell, don't we have our own 'Deep State' patriots embedded likewise?
Because the culture that exists in those places prevents it. Much like conservative professors at government universities.
If it IS true, which is beyond absurd, then all you have proven is again, how worthless and bumbling the Republican party has been.
It is totally absurd but the Republicans who have tried to do something about it have been vilified! Witness Joe McCarthy and Richard Nixon!
I will bet you right now, there will never be a damn thing proven about this 'Deep State' bullcrap, and 'Q' will never get the goods, nor be identified... And all this whole line of crap is, is a boogey man to blame, and rally against.
It will vanish like a fart in a windstorm. Watch and see.
Once again, I sincerely hope and pray that you are wrong about that and believe you are. It's not going to be easy but it's GOT to be rooted out and deat with.
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Unless of course it isn't real, and the whole thing is a show.
He really has not accomplished anything in the long run....
Like I said, give me the things he has done that we actually get to keep.
Wheres the beef?
You can continue to scream and holler to your heart's content but this is not going to change a thing!
I'm done! You can wake and smell the coffee or not. I don't care.
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Unless of course it isn't real, and the whole thing is a show.
He really has not accomplished anything in the long run....
Like I said, give me the things he has done that we actually get to keep.
Wheres the beef?
If Trump were to eliminate the debt, or eliminate welfare, or stop illegal immigration his predecessor can simply reverse his policies and start spending again, or open the borders, or propose new welfare programs. The best we can hope for a temporary hiatus from the statist insanity, 4 or 8 years at a time. And I'll take the hiatus if thats all thats available.
It'll take a seismic shift in the public's attitude to truly change things, and I don't see that happening.
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If Trump were to eliminate the debt, or eliminate welfare, or stop illegal immigration his predecessor can simply reverse his policies and start spending again, or open the borders, or propose new welfare programs. The best we can hope for a temporary hiatus from the statist insanity, 4 or 8 years at a time. And I'll take the hiatus if thats all thats available.
It'll take a seismic shift in the public's attitude to truly change things, and I don't see that happening.
And in the mean time, by NOT insisting upon principles, the Republican vanguard slides further and further to the left. That is the insipid result of taking what you can get. That is why I refuse, and why every Conservative should refuse, to be happy with the candy thrown by the clown at the front of the parade.
There is no real and lasting opposition... FOR THAT REASON. Goes along gets along gets you exactly that. Just pull that lever for the big rhinestone 'R'.
And socialism grows.
I will reiterate:
Socialism does not win by merit. It has no merit.
It wins because it has no opposition.
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And in the mean time, by NOT insisting upon principles, the Republican vanguard slides further and further to the left. That is the insipid result of taking what you can get. That is why I refuse, and why every Conservative should refuse, to be happy with the candy thrown by the clown at the front of the parade.
There is no real and lasting opposition... FOR THAT REASON. Goes along gets along gets you exactly that. Just pull that lever for the big rhinestone 'R'.
And socialism grows.
I will reiterate:
Socialism does not win by merit. It has no merit.
It wins because it has no opposition.
Pretty much true.
'Cept I don't believe in leaving the field to the enemy. If there's only one thing left to be done I'll do that, however inconsequential.
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Pretty much true.
'Cept I don't believe in leaving the field to the enemy. If there's only one thing left to be done I'll do that, however inconsequential.
But don't you see? That is EXACTLY what you (all y'all) are doing.
There is but a handful of true blue Conservatives left in government. The Republicans are all but subsumed. The only way - THE ONLY WAY to fix this is to take a principled stand. The supposed guardians of the right, the Republicans, betray you. If there is no more a Conservative faction, with power enough to matter, and hands on the wheel, then there is no opposition whatsoever.
AGAIN, SOMMORE, EVEN YET.
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But don't you see? That is EXACTLY what you (all y'all) are doing.
There is but a handful of true blue Conservatives left in government. The Republicans are all but subsumed. The only way - THE ONLY WAY to fix this is to take a principled stand. The supposed guardians of the right, the Republicans, betray you. If there is no more a Conservative faction, with power enough to matter, and hands on the wheel, then there is no opposition whatsoever.
AGAIN, SOMMORE, EVEN YET.
I cannot think of a single 'true blue conservative' in government. A month ago I would've chosen someone like Mike Lee but like everyone else he's recently proved he's more interested in maintaining his position of privilege than he is principles.
They prove to us time after time they are ALL political animals. They may not go in that way, but it doesn't take them long to realize who truly signs their checks.
Truth be told, we get the government we (the collective we) deserve. And we've got it. And thats all we'll have unless you can figure out a way to move the hearts of tens of millions of NON CONSERVATIVE voters.
So that leaves turning a bull loose in the china shop as the only non-violent option we few have. Trump is as close as we have to that.
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I cannot think of a single 'true blue conservative' in government. A month ago I would've chosen someone like Mike Lee but like everyone else he's recently proved he's more interested in maintaining his position of privilege than he is principles.
They prove to us time after time they are ALL political animals. They may not go in that way, but it doesn't take them long to realize who truly signs their checks.
Truth be told, we get the government we (the collective we) deserve. And we've got it. And thats all we'll have unless you can figure out a way to move the hearts of tens of millions of voters.
So that leaves turning a bull loose in the china shop as our only non-violent option we few have. Trump is as close as we have to that.
Or that is what you have been led to believe.
Which is why Conservatives look at the record. Regardless of how Lee is being bashed, his record tells the tale. Believe what you wish - I will look to the record, and forego the mouthbreathing in the press.
As it turns out, more Conservatives have been ground beneath the hooves of your 'bull in the china shop' than anyone else.
And your bull works hand-in-glove with the NeoCon moderates in GOP leadership to preserve them.
A NYC liberal + NeoCon leadership... You do the math.
But you are right in one thing - You ARE getting the government you deserve...
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Or that is what you have been led to believe.
Which is why Conservatives look at the record. Regardless of how Lee is being bashed, his record tells the tale. Believe what you wish - I will look to the record, and forego the mouthbreathing in the press.
As it turns out, more Conservatives have been ground beneath the hooves of your 'bull in the china shop' than anyone else.
And your bull works hand-in-glove with the NeoCon moderates in GOP leadership to preserve them.
A NYC liberal + NeoCon leadership... You do the math.
But you are right in one thing - You ARE getting the government you deserve...
Mike Lee's record? Big deal. What has he done thats permanent?
Anyway you are NEVER going to convince me its MY fault for all the crap we're suffering today. You can peddle that bullshit elsewhere.
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Behold, the Deep State!
Amorphous, evil, ever to blame, and never to be identified...
MUHUHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
RUUUUUUUNNNNN! The Deeeep State! It's cooooommmminggggg!
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK!!!!
Sorry... The Deep State made me do it. :whistle:
O_M_G !! I can't believe it took me this long to see it. *****rollingeyes*****
:silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly: :silly:
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Mike Lee's record? Big deal. What has he done thats permanent?
What has Tump done that's permanent? What do we get to keep when he leaves?
A tax cut for corporations.
And more debt than Obama.
Questionable judges.
By far and away, everything he has done - All by EO - are gone at his exit.
I will stack Mike Lee up against that any day.
Anyway you are NEVER going to convince me its MY fault for all the crap we're suffering today. You can peddle that bullshit elsewhere.
If I am right, and it is self-evident to me, that the principles that we all purport to hold dear are the only enduring fix for what ails America, then you are welcome to establish your position upon that support curve and affix your liability yourself.
I do not accuse you.
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Pompeo is pretty reliable, if Pompeo stays at the helm, hopefully, there is little reason to worry about Rand/Ron Paul Extremist views on these matters and that is what they are, extremist views. Let's not forget, Rand really couldn't get his presidential candidacy off the ground. For foreign affairs, it's certainly similar to Tulsi's.
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What has Tump done that's permanent? What do we get to keep when he leaves?
A tax cut for corporations.
And more debt than Obama.
Questionable judges.
By far and away, everything he has done - All by EO - are gone at his exit.
I will stack Mike Lee up against that any day.
If I am right, and it is self-evident to me, that the principles that we all purport to hold dear are the only enduring fix for what ails America, then you are welcome to establish your position upon that support curve and affix your liability yourself.
As are you.
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As are you.
My support goes to Conservatism, not to a man.
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My support goes to Conservatism, not to a man.
Good luck finding tangible ways to promote conservatism.
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Mike Lee's record? Big deal. What has he done thats permanent?
Anyway you are NEVER going to convince me its MY fault for all the crap we're suffering today. You can peddle that bullshit elsewhere.
Mike Lee has turned RINO.
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Christianity IS Christianity and always will be @Chosen Daughter You have a choice not to follow the New Age b.s. I stopped going to church because of all the malarkey. The denominational churches demand $$$ and then give it to leftist causes and non-denominational churches do the same and I have yet to meet a born again Christian that wasn't hypocritical. I continue to pray every day, read the Bible and strive to have a closer relationship with God Almighty the Lord Jesus Christ.
Trust in your Christian beliefs and roots. Refuse to become a part of the attack on Christianity and those who try to destroy it from within the churches.
I am a born again Christian. I am not perfect, no person is. But I do believe that the Bible is the only written Word to live your life by. All that stuff that the church is into now is mysticism, Kundalini, physic new age garbage. Evangelical NAR. No Christianity in it. And it is the NAR that is preaching revival. All I am seeing is a real falling away. Good Christians are getting caught up because they are not testing what is going on by the Word.
And I am not saying all churches are doing this, but being a Christian these days requires you to really discern what you are hearing, doing at church.
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What I am talking about also is a church with God absent. I scrolled through many tweets on Jerry Falwell Jr. Twitter account. He is the leader of one of the biggest Christian Universities. But God is absent in all his words. Its about politics. The Bible tells us that we need to make Disciples of Christians. We need to mirror Jesus as an example. Feed, cloth and care for people. And if Christians had the same zeal for Christ as they do for politics and Donald Trump our twitter feeds would be full of the examples of good works through Christ.
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Pompeo is pretty reliable, if Pompeo stays at the helm, hopefully, there is little reason to worry about Rand/Ron Paul Extremist views on these matters and that is what they are, extremist views. Let's not forget, Rand really couldn't get his presidential candidacy off the ground. For foreign affairs, it's certainly similar to Tulsi's.
No there's reason to worry. He stated that the President would meet with the Iranian President "without conditions". That's frightening. That's what Ron and Rand Paul would do.
The Iranians are responsible for the deaths of over 1,000 U.S. soldiers since 1983. 1 in 6 deaths in Iraq.
And we're gonna meet with these assholes without conditions?
What happened to the U.S. policy of not negotiating with Terrorists?
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No there's reason to worry. He stated that the President would meet with the Iranian President "without conditions". That's frightening. That's what Ron and Rand Paul would do.
The Iranians are responsible for the deaths of over 1,000 U.S. soldiers since 1983. 1 in 6 deaths in Iraq.
And we're gonna meet with these assholes without conditions?
What happened to the U.S. policy of not negotiating with Terrorists?
:yowsa: pointing-up The current "leadership" in Iran is THE PROBLEM in the Middle East and for so long as they remain in power the problems WILL persist! That is a FACT and I'm sure that John Boulton's persistence in reminding people of it is why he no longer works for the president.
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What I am talking about also is a church with God absent. I scrolled through many tweets on Jerry Falwell Jr. Twitter account. He is the leader of one of the biggest Christian Universities. But God is absent in all his words. Its about politics. The Bible tells us that we need to make Disciples of Christians. We need to mirror Jesus as an example. Feed, cloth and care for people. And if Christians had the same zeal for Christ as they do for politics and Donald Trump our twitter feeds would be full of the examples of good works through Christ.
:amen:
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No there's reason to worry. He stated that the President would meet with the Iranian President "without conditions". That's frightening. That's what Ron and Rand Paul would do.
The Iranians are responsible for the deaths of over 1,000 U.S. soldiers since 1983. 1 in 6 deaths in Iraq.
And we're gonna meet with these assholes without conditions?
What happened to the U.S. policy of not negotiating with Terrorists?
Nixon met with China, and Reagan met with Gorby and together they were responsible for milions of deaths.
Arranging those proceedings to a long time.
Trump stated that when Bolton's remarks about Libya jeopardized talks with N. Korea, that was the final straw.
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Nixon met with China, and Reagan met with Gorby and together they were responsible for milions of deaths.
Arranging those proceedings to a long time.
Trump stated that when Bolton's remarks about Libya jeopardized talks with N. Korea, that was the final straw.
Get back to me when either of those countries are labeled Terrorist sponsoring nations in the same way Iran has been so labeled.
Your attempt to justify sitting down with terrorists...whether it's the mad Mullahs in Iran or the Taliban as being the same as meeting with China or Russia falls woefully short. And I hope most here see it for what it is.
Not to mention the reasons for meeting with them were completely different than what Trump is trying to do.
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Get back to me when either of those countries are labeled Terrorist sponsoring nations in the same way Iran has been so labeled.
Your attempt to justify sitting down with terrorists...whether it's the mad Mullahs in Iran or the Taliban as being the same as meeting with China or Russia falls woefully short. And I hope most here see it for what it is.
Not to mention the reasons for meeting with them were completely different than what Trump is trying to do.
:yowsa: 888high58888 Trump has done a lot of things I like and agree with but IMHO he screwed the pooch when he let Boulton go.
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:yowsa: 888high58888 Trump has done a lot of things I like and agree with but IMHO he screwed the pooch when he let Boulton go.
And we're already seeing the results of it. Rand Paul is taking a victory lap about the Bolton firing...something IMHO he helped orchestrate behind behind the scenes. There was something in the news yesterday floated about a bailout for Iran and you've got Pompeo talking about Trump meeting with Iranian President Rouhani with "no conditions".
We're now legitimizing terrorist organizations and known state sponsors of terrorism when we do things like this.
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Get back to me when either of those countries are labeled Terrorist sponsoring nations in the same way Iran has been so labeled.
Your attempt to justify sitting down with terrorists...whether it's the mad Mullahs in Iran or the Taliban as being the same as meeting with China or Russia falls woefully short. And I hope most here see it for what it is.
Not to mention the reasons for meeting with them were completely different than what Trump is trying to do.
If you expect me to buy the idea, that China and the USSR were not as dangerous THEN, as Iran is now, you really insult my intelligence.
It was by bold moves by Reagan, going against his advisors, that turned down nuclear risks between the two superpowers.
"Mr. Gorbachev, Tear Down this Wall."
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If you expect me to buy the idea, that China and the USSR were not as dangerous THEN, as Iran is now, you really insult my intelligence.
Then consider your intelligence insulted because China was nothing but a paper tiger in those days anywhere outside it's own borders and that remains true today despite all the help Bill Clinton provided them for campaign $$$.
It was by bold moves by Reagan, going against his advisors, that tuned down nuclear risks between the two superpowers.
"Mr. Gorbachev, Tear Down this Wall."
That part I agree with!
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If you expect me to buy the idea, that China and the USSR were not as dangerous THEN, as Iran is now, you really insult my intelligence.
It was by bold moves by Reagan, going against his advisors, that turned down nuclear risks between the two superpowers.
"Mr. Gorbachev, Tear Down this Wall."
You know this is an apples and oranges comparison. If you weren’t so busy White Knighting for Trump on this you'd see that.
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Then consider your intelligence insulted because China was nothing but a paper tiger in those days
That part I agree with!
China and the USSR, were the "paper tigers," behind the Korean and Vietnam wars.
Nixon and Reagan knew that, even if you missed it.
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Where does Ted get these crazy ideas? Bolton is a Bushie neocon, Bushie neocons have turned the Middle East and North Africa into an
unmitigated disaster for the USA. Never ever listen to a Bushie neocon about anything, especially when it comes to foreign policy. Pardon
Gen Flynn and give him Bolton's job.
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Where does Ted get these crazy ideas? Bolton is a Bushie neocon, Bushie neocons have turned the Middle East and North Africa into an
unmitigated disaster for the USA. Never ever listen to a Bushie neocon about anything, especially when it comes to foreign policy. Pardon
Gen Flynn and give him Bolton's job.
The only crazy idea around here is that one that posits that there will EVER be any peace again in the Middle East with the mullahs running Iran! That is a FACT and John Boulton knows it and would not back off it.
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The only crazy idea around here is that one that posits that there will EVER be any peace again in the Middle East with the mullahs running Iran! That is a FACT and John Boulton knows it and would not back off it.
Saddam was in a no fly box, why take him out? Gaddafi was reformed why take him out? Noecons are
warmongers. The time to deal with Iran was in 1979, I was ready to reenlist for just that purpose. The entire
country would have supported a war with Iran. Now it's too late, get our troops out and let them murder one
another. I know why we have to keep troops in Afganistain, but Iraq can go screw them itself. Dido the Saudis
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You know this is an apples and oranges comparison. If you weren’t so busy White Knighting for Trump on this you'd see that.
If you were a bit older, you would grasp how big a deal the Cold War, was.
School kids ducked under desks for years, concerned over nuke bombs. My town had a Nike base nearby, which Scout groups visited.
I served in Germany during it.
I wrote a graduate paper, on the eonomy of West and East Germany.
I remember how moved I was when the Wall came down.