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Title: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Sanguine on February 11, 2019, 03:51:16 pm
Quote
by Erick Erickson

This week in 2016, I declared I would be “Never Trump.” A friend suggested I use a hashtag that had started circulating on Twitter, i.e #NeverTrump. The piece exploded and pushed me into a whirlwind of coverage. Despite lots of pressure, protestors literally on my front porch, and harassment directed towards my family, I did not vote for Donald Trump in 2016. I voted third party.

Some of my concerns about President Trump remain. I still struggle on the character issue and I understand Christian friends who would rather sit it out than get involved. But I also recognize that we cannot have the Trump Administration policies without President Trump and there is much to like.

...In 2020, we’ll be asked to choose between a set of sinners and must decide which direction we want to go as a nation.

...The path of opting out or protesting now to me seems irrelevant as we have a President who is no longer a hypothetical against any of a host of Democrats who too extreme for the nation.

.....

https://theresurgent.com/2019/02/11/ill-be-voting-for-president-trump-and-vice-president-pence-in-2020/

Well, well, well.

He makes a good argument.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 11, 2019, 04:09:34 pm
LOL. Good heavens. Better late than never I guess but I still think Erickson is a self important jackass.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on February 11, 2019, 04:11:51 pm
Grifters gotta grift.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Dexter on February 11, 2019, 04:11:54 pm
Erickson is a self important jackass.

AKA a human being.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Sanguine on February 11, 2019, 04:19:04 pm
LOL. Good heavens. Better late than never I guess but I still think Erickson is a self important jackass.

There are some of those here.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 11, 2019, 04:24:58 pm
There are some of those here.

And then there are the actually important......like me.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Sanguine on February 11, 2019, 04:27:47 pm
And then there are the actually important......like me.

Exactly.   888mouth
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: corbe on February 11, 2019, 04:27:50 pm
    Sell~Out




    Just kidding but it's doubtful the State of Georgia needs his help to award Trump it's 16 Electoral votes in 2020, been GOP Red for 23 years.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: mystery-ak on February 11, 2019, 04:28:13 pm
LOL. Good heavens. Better late than never I guess but I still think Erickson is a self important jackass.

He pretty much telegraphed this conversion by his recent articles....
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Sanguine on February 11, 2019, 04:28:31 pm
    Sell~Out




    Just kidding but it's doubtful the State of Georgia needs his help to award Trump it's 16 Electoral votes in 2020, been GOP Red for 23 years.

You can always tell when some didn't read the article. 
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: DCPatriot on February 11, 2019, 04:36:01 pm


Suddenly, the "go-to" argument or defense NTs used for 3 years is a "good argument"?

LOL!   Pathetic.

Somebody wants to be a substitute host for Rush Limbaugh....again.

It's time for all NTs everywhere to just STFU.

If you can't see the difference between the two parties, you shouldn't have the right to vote.    Morons.

Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 11, 2019, 04:39:07 pm
He pretty much telegraphed this conversion by his recent articles....

There is a whole contingent of Never-Trump dopes who have jumped on the Trump Train because their prognostication about Trump as President were terrible. Beck, Erickson, Deace.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: corbe on February 11, 2019, 04:42:18 pm

Suddenly, the "go-to" argument or defense NTs used for 3 years is a "good argument"?

LOL!   Pathetic.

Somebody wants to be a substitute host for Rush Limbaugh....again.

It's time for all NTs everywhere to just STFU.

If you can't see the difference between the two parties, you shouldn't have the right to vote.    Morons.


   The differences between the two parties is so subtle that it is a distinction without a difference, one glaring example:

   $22T in debt and no end in site to this insane spending.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: jmyrlefuller on February 11, 2019, 04:46:50 pm
If you can't see the difference between the two parties, you shouldn't have the right to vote.    Morons.
One is sinister and the other incompetent. In the end, neither gets us where we need to be.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: sneakypete on February 11, 2019, 04:48:30 pm
I will be voting for them too,PROVIDING he builds the damn wall. If he caves to the Dims on this,he is toast.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 11, 2019, 04:50:53 pm

   The differences between the two parties is so subtle that it is a distinction without a difference, one glaring example:

   $22T in debt and no end in site to this insane spending.

Did you switch over to heroin today? I actually agree with something you said. After the Ryan/McConnell shitshow we know that the GOP isn't that interested in closing the border, ending Obamacare, cutting spending or any real things that would matter. They are happy as hell going along with the Rats. Trump is the only one trying to make clear distinctions between the two parties and half the elected GOP hate him for it.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: rustynail on February 11, 2019, 04:51:11 pm
Tax refunds down dramatically spells the end for Trump and the GOP.  Where did the Peoples money go?
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Sanguine on February 11, 2019, 04:54:42 pm
Tax refunds down dramatically spells the end for Trump and the GOP.  Where did the Peoples money go?

Rusty, the "Peoples money" wasn't taken out in the first place (less withholding) and in the high tax states, people weren't able to offset the high state and local taxes out of their federal taxes.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Bigun on February 11, 2019, 05:09:49 pm
I'll join him!
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: libertybele on February 11, 2019, 05:53:59 pm

   The differences between the two parties is so subtle that it is a distinction without a difference, one glaring example:

   $22T in debt and no end in site to this insane spending.

@corbe I'd love to see a very viable 3rd party candidate enter into the picture, but I don't think that is going to happen in time for the 2020 election.  So we will have the choice; President Trump with his accomplishments, tweets and some back pedaling or someone like Pochontas or those pushing the 'New Green Deal', voting for a barely viable third party or not voting at all. The reality I see is that there is a difference between a party who wants to regulate cow farts, do away with all aircraft, and rebuild ALL buildings (including houses) in the country to a party that has some politicians (Cruz included) that want to preserve rights under the Constitution and right now a President who has lined the border with our military (yes incl. paperwork pushers) to at least curtail the invasion for now.

Ah yes, another day in political paradise.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Hoodat on February 11, 2019, 06:12:55 pm
Erickson is a self important jackass.

You got that right.  He is unbearable to listen to on the radio, pontificating endlessly on how he has the inside scoop on something, only to be disproved the next day.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: corbe on February 11, 2019, 06:14:40 pm
   I don't disagree with anything in your post @libertybele BUT as in Texas 2016, I wasn't gonna waste an opportunity to shot the bird at the GOP by voting a valid 3rd party since Trump was a given for our 38 EV's.  If Trump needs my vote to beat a dem I will hold my nose and pull the lever for him, otherwise I'll continue to show my disdain for the GOP when allowed.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Emjay on February 11, 2019, 08:27:30 pm
Over at The Resurgent, this morning, long-time RedState managing editor Erick Erickson announced that he will support President Trump in the 2020 election:
This week in 2016, I declared I would be “Never Trump.” A friend suggested I use a hashtag that had started circulating on Twitter, i.e #NeverTrump. The piece exploded and pushed me into a whirlwind of coverage. Despite lots of pressure, protestors literally on my front porch, and harassment directed towards my family, I did not vote for Donald Trump in 2016. I voted third party.
…
I could stay home or vote third party as I did in 2016. But what will that get me? The ability to say “not my problem” or the self-assurance that I didn’t get dirty in having to choose? I have many Christian friends who, when I have discussed this, tell me I should just stay home and turn my back. Both parties, they tell me, are profoundly corrupt. And they’re right. But I am not looking for a messiah in politics and don’t have some religious sentiment tied to my vote. While I understand and accept the sincere conviction of some of my friends who have decided they will just sit out the process, I have decided otherwise. In 2016, we knew who the Democrats were and were not sure of who Donald Trump was. Now we know both and I prefer this President to the alternative.
I will vote for Donald Trump and Mike Pence. And, to be clear, it will not be just because of what the other side offers, but also because of what the Trump-Pence team has done. They’ve earned my vote.


https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2019/02/11/gop-begins-unify-erick-erickson-announces-2020-endorsement-president-trump/ (https://www.redstate.com/streiff/2019/02/11/gop-begins-unify-erick-erickson-announces-2020-endorsement-president-trump/)
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Emjay on February 11, 2019, 08:31:09 pm
I love this article because Eric's Trump journey so closely resembles mine.

He had an immediate distaste for Trump, as did I, and an initial support for Ted Cruz.  Me, too.

He and I both decided to give Trump a chance.  As Eric concluded, he earned our vote.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: libertybele on February 11, 2019, 08:32:19 pm
   I don't disagree with anything in your post @libertybele BUT as in Texas 2016, I wasn't gonna waste an opportunity to shot the bird at the GOP by voting a valid 3rd party since Trump was a given for our 38 EV's.  If Trump needs my vote to beat a dem I will hold my nose and pull the lever for him, otherwise I'll continue to show my disdain for the GOP when allowed.

In my books anyone that doesn't rebuke their politicians when deserved and pats them on the back instead needs to do some serious soul searching.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Emjay on February 11, 2019, 08:34:23 pm
Another quote from the article that is so relevant to a lot of NTers.

"Erick was also, to his great credit, one of the handful of NeverTrump people who actually did what they said they were going to do, that is, look at what Trump did and praise or criticize accordingly. Most NeverTrump people continued a visceral antipathy towards Trump and lacked the intellectual honesty or the character to acknowledge that Trump has done more to advance conservative policy in three years than George W. Bush did in eight."

Amen.  And I love GWB.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Emjay on February 11, 2019, 08:37:19 pm
LOL. Good heavens. Better late than never I guess but I still think Erickson is a self important jackass.

You beat me by two minutes @Sanguine .  I left it up to the mods to do what they please in merging or eliminating mine.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Emjay on February 11, 2019, 08:38:43 pm
   I don't disagree with anything in your post @libertybele BUT as in Texas 2016, I wasn't gonna waste an opportunity to shot the bird at the GOP by voting a valid 3rd party since Trump was a given for our 38 EV's.  If Trump needs my vote to beat a dem I will hold my nose and pull the lever for him, otherwise I'll continue to show my disdain for the GOP when allowed.

Trump needs your vote to beat a democrat, so shut up and do it.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Emjay on February 11, 2019, 08:44:05 pm
There are some of those here.

Most political pundits believe in themselves but I think Erickson was really good in this article, and I think he is representative of a lot of people, those people being the ones who are willing to admit they were wrong which is something some people just can't do.

Erickson paralleled my path from total Ted Cruz advocate to being skeptical, but glad Hillary didn't win, to beginning to actually admire Trump's job as President.

I've voiced the opinion that the same thing is happening in even a body as stuffy as the Senate.  Republican Senators are coming around to Trump.  It's a slow process with that group, but it's happening and it's happening in the country as well.

Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Emjay on February 11, 2019, 08:47:04 pm

   The differences between the two parties is so subtle that it is a distinction without a difference, one glaring example:

   $22T in debt and no end in site to this insane spending.

The debt thing would be even worse with democrats and has our President advocated socialism?  Not as of yesterday.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Night Hides Not on February 11, 2019, 08:54:20 pm
One is sinister and the other incompetent. In the end, neither gets us where we need to be.

With posts like that, AOC must be the spawn of @DCPatriot . They're both loony tunes.   :rolling:
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: aligncare on February 11, 2019, 08:59:53 pm
Trump needs your vote to beat a democrat, so shut up and do it.

Directly on point regarding this entire political goulash we find ourselves in. Yes, damn it, kick their socialist asses. That’s the point.

However, politics makes schizophrenics of us all, sometimes. So, we must forgive those closest to us their lapses in judgment. That goes for ourselves, too.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Sanguine on February 11, 2019, 09:22:05 pm
You beat me by two minutes @Sanguine .  I left it up to the mods to do what they please in merging or eliminating mine.

you may be fast, but I'm faster!   888high58888
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: montanajoe on February 11, 2019, 09:22:56 pm
I'll be voting for anybody but Trump in an effort to prevent anymore long term damage to the Republic that this grifter inflicts on a daily basis.. :shrug:
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: aligncare on February 11, 2019, 09:22:57 pm
Most political pundits believe in themselves but I think Erickson was really good in this article, and I think he is representative of a lot of people, those people being the ones who are willing to admit they were wrong which is something some people just can't do.

Erickson paralleled my path from total Ted Cruz advocate to being skeptical, but glad Hillary didn't win, to beginning to actually admire Trump's job as President.

I've voiced the opinion that the same thing is happening in even a body as stuffy as the Senate.  Republican Senators are coming around to Trump.  It's a slow process with that group, but it's happening and it's happening in the country as well.

You speak for a lot of folks @Emjay .

It’s been happening across the electorate ever since Trump took office. People have started to trust their own two eyes and not the narratives flowing from the democrats two-year public tantrum over Trump’s election, nor are they believing CNNBCBS’ political attacks disguised as news.

People have been thinking for themselves and deciding they like the resolve they see coming from this president. That’s why his poll numbers have been spiking.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: truth_seeker on February 11, 2019, 09:51:41 pm
I'll be voting for anybody but Trump in an effort to prevent anymore long term damage to the Republic that this grifter inflicts on a daily basis.. :shrug:

Anybody?

So if the general comes down to Trump vs. Biden vs. 3rd party
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 11, 2019, 10:01:21 pm
I'll be voting for anybody but Trump in an effort to prevent anymore long term damage to the Republic that this grifter inflicts on a daily basis.. :shrug:

LOL. Yeah, because your vote for Bush II, McLame, Romney and Even McMuffin were showing everyone what real statesmen and stewards of the country look like.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: montanajoe on February 11, 2019, 10:02:17 pm
Anybody?

So if the general comes down to Trump vs. Biden vs. 3rd party

Biden...whoever has the best chance of beating Trump gets my vote I won't waste my vote on 3rd party candidates that can't win this time...
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: roamer_1 on February 11, 2019, 10:06:02 pm
Well, well, well.

He makes a good argument.

No, he makes the same old argument.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: libertybele on February 11, 2019, 10:10:42 pm
Biden...whoever has the best chance of beating Trump gets my vote I won't waste my vote on 3rd party candidates that can't win this time...

@montanajoe is there anything that President Trump has done that you see as a positive?? Economy, jobs, low unemployment, military at the border, taxes, etc.??  Also, what has Biden done that you see as a positive for this country??

I'm not wanting to be judgemental, I just would really like to know why such disdain for Trump and why the praise for Biden.  Thanks.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 11, 2019, 10:12:12 pm
Biden...whoever has the best chance of beating Trump gets my vote I won't waste my vote on 3rd party candidates that can't win this time...

Lovely. Voting for a straight up Marxist. I will LOVE grinding your face into that like a naughty puppy who shit on the carpet.

(https://i2.wp.com/www.thenetspies.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/bookerHarris.jpg)
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: jmyrlefuller on February 11, 2019, 10:19:09 pm
Biden...whoever has the best chance of beating Trump gets my vote I won't waste my vote on 3rd party candidates that can't win this time...
I will not lie... in 2016 I would have seriously considered voting for Biden had he been the Democrats' nominee. But then again, there's no guarantee he would've won the nomination. He's a politician's politician, a negotiator. Had he won, with a GOP Congress, I suspect there'd've been a lot of negotiation. I do think sequestration—which he helped negotiate—would've still been in effect.

Trump, on the other hand, has not been quite as bad as the worst-case scenario... yet. He hasn't been the Greatest Prezident EVAH!!!1, but in regard to the threats he has made in regarding some of the totalitarian tactics being used against anyone who speaks ill of him, so far, those seem to be total hot air. He's still a lecherous sleazeball, but then again, so is most of Washington, including Biden.

I live in an area of the country where my vote doesn't count. If Trump wins or loses, it will not be on my account, unless I move somewhere else between now and then. I reserve my right to vote against both the Democrat and the Republican with a third-party candidate if I so choose.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Hoodat on February 11, 2019, 10:23:46 pm
.  .  .  those people being the ones who are willing to admit they were wrong which is something some people just can't do.  .  .

lol
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Hoodat on February 11, 2019, 10:24:52 pm
Biden...whoever has the best chance of beating Trump gets my vote I won't waste my vote on 3rd party candidates that can't win this time...

No matter how much I hated Trump, there is no way in hell I would ever vote for a Democrat.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: corbe on February 11, 2019, 10:29:15 pm
No matter how much I hated Trump, there is no way in hell I would ever vote for a Democrat.

   Ditto @Hoodat
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: austingirl on February 11, 2019, 10:29:46 pm
No matter how much I hated Trump, there is no way in hell I would ever vote for a Democrat.

Same here. Never! **nononono*
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: libertybele on February 11, 2019, 10:32:07 pm
I will not lie... in 2016 I would have seriously considered voting for Biden had he been the Democrats' nominee. But then again, there's no guarantee he would've won the nomination. He's a politician's politician, a negotiator. Had he won, with a GOP Congress, I suspect there'd've been a lot of negotiation. I do think sequestration—which he helped negotiate—would've still been in effect.

Trump, on the other hand, has not been quite as bad as the worst-case scenario... yet. He hasn't been the Greatest Prezident EVAH!!!1, but in regard to the threats he has made in regarding some of the totalitarian tactics being used against anyone who speaks ill of him, so far, those seem to be total hot air. He's still a lecherous sleazeball, but then again, so is most of Washington, including Biden.

I live in an area of the country where my vote doesn't count. If Trump wins or loses, it will not be on my account, unless I move somewhere else between now and then. I reserve my right to vote against both the Democrat and the Republican with a third-party candidate if I so choose.

I'm not aware of any threats that he has made against anyone who speaks ill of him.  Care to expand on that please?
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Applewood on February 11, 2019, 10:42:35 pm
I don't know that the old time Dems are in power now.  Biden might not be the party's choice in 2020.  Seems to me the commie crazies like that Cortez chick are taking over the party. 

Too early for me to commit to a vote in 2020, but right now, none of the prospective candidates from either party impresses me.  I don't even see a third party candidate worth voting for.  I may end up breaking my promise to my Dad and actually staying home.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 11, 2019, 10:44:42 pm
You beat me by two minutes @Sanguine .  I left it up to the mods to do what they please in merging or eliminating mine.

Did you file a Mod Report so they can see the threads?
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: libertybele on February 11, 2019, 10:50:13 pm
I don't know that the old time Dems are in power now.  Biden might not be the party's choice in 2020.  Seems to me the commie crazies like that Cortez chick are taking over the party. 

Too early for me to commit to a vote in 2020, but right now, none of the prospective candidates from either party impresses me.  I don't even see a third party candidate worth voting for.  I may end up breaking my promise to my Dad and actually staying home.

Actually I'm hoping that Trump is unchallenged.  Any challenge from someone like Romney would be a disaster.  I don't think any GOP challenger would win against him, but it would certainly bring out more ugliness within the party, while what the GOP really needs right now is UNITY.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: roamer_1 on February 11, 2019, 10:56:58 pm
Actually I'm hoping that Trump is unchallenged.  Any challenge from someone like Romney would be a disaster.  I don't think any GOP challenger would win against him, but it would certainly bring out more ugliness within the party, while what the GOP really needs right now is UNITY.

No, not unity for unity's sake... What the GOP has lost is common cause. That is what provides for unity.
And I do not believe it will ever be found again. Certainly not for principled Conservatives.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: verga on February 11, 2019, 10:58:11 pm
And then there are the actually important......like me.
@Amb. Frank Cannon Frank the word you are thinking of is spelled "Imprudent", or "Impudent".
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Applewood on February 11, 2019, 11:00:07 pm
Actually I'm hoping that Trump is unchallenged.  Any challenge from someone like Romney would be a disaster.  I don't think any GOP challenger would win against him, but it would certainly bring out more ugliness within the party, while what the GOP really needs right now is UNITY.

If Romney decides to run, he will be more stupid than I always thought he was.   If no one but the Mormons wanted him in 2012, what would make him think anyone would want him now?

I'm sure there will be someone running against Trump if for no better reason than sheer vanity.  Or perhaps the party will induce some hapless soul to run just to make it look like there is a choice. Whoever that person is, I pity the fool, especially after Trump's dirty tricks made mincemeat out of Ted Cruz in 2016.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Dexter on February 11, 2019, 11:02:38 pm
Trump's dirty tricks made mincemeat out of Ted Cruz in 2016.

I think Hillary would be the president right now if Ted Cruz had gotten the nomination.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: verga on February 11, 2019, 11:07:34 pm
Most political pundits believe in themselves but I think Erickson was really good in this article, and I think he is representative of a lot of people, those people being the ones who are willing to admit they were wrong which is something some people just can't do.

Erickson paralleled my path from total Ted Cruz advocate to being skeptical, but glad Hillary didn't win, to beginning to actually admire Trump's job as President.

I've voiced the opinion that the same thing is happening in even a body as stuffy as the Senate.  Republican Senators are coming around to Trump.  It's a slow process with that group, but it's happening and it's happening in the country as well.
QFT that was my journey as well. Living in the People's Republic of Virginia it didn't matter who I voted for, NOVA and Richmond screw us over every time. Of course now with the whole Northam, Fairfax, Herring, debacle I am hoping we can swing red again.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: montanajoe on February 11, 2019, 11:07:41 pm
@montanajoe is there anything that President Trump has done that you see as a positive?? Economy, jobs, low unemployment, military at the border, taxes, etc.??  Also, what has Biden done that you see as a positive for this country??

I'm not wanting to be judgemental, I just would really like to know why such disdain for Trump and why the praise for Biden.  Thanks.

@libertybele

Hmmm..lets see

For the first two years his party controlled both chambers of the legislature.

Did he get a wall...no,
did he get Obamacare repealed...no,
did he get a budget passed...no
did he prove himself to be a great deal maker..no
did he keep the promises he was elected on...no

Since the GOP lost the House the great deal maker's negotiating tactic is to hold his breath until he turns blue and shut down the government, further damaging the prospects of any gains by the GOP in 2020.

The choice that was posed was Trump, Biden or 3rd Party... I took Biden from the three choices. I will vote for whoever has the best chance of beating Trump, it could be Biden or any other crazy Dim, as long as they are not Trump and they have the best chance of beating him they will get my vote...

The fact is that the GOP functions best as an opposition party. They are simply incapable of running on a platform, winning and then implementing that platform. History shows that as the opposition party they can get far more of their agenda passed in a Dim controlled congress with a Dim president than they can when they control the presidency and both chambers.

The vast majority of the GOP, including Trump,  are not traditional Conservatives as the term would have been understood by Buckley, Goldwater or Reagan, they like the vast majority of the Dims are simply fans of their team and they react emotionally.

I suppose some might think it is a positive that Trump has masterfully manipulated that emotion.... :shrug:
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: verga on February 11, 2019, 11:09:51 pm
Lovely. Voting for a straight up Marxist. I will LOVE grinding your face into that like a naughty puppy who shit on the carpet.

(https://i2.wp.com/www.thenetspies.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/bookerHarris.jpg)
I'd like to see them on the same ticket. Their slogan would be "Booker and Hooker"
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Sanguine on February 11, 2019, 11:17:27 pm
I think Hillary would be the president right now if Ted Cruz had gotten the nomination.

I don't agree, but we'll never know now, will we?
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Wingnut on February 11, 2019, 11:19:50 pm
I'd like to see them on the same ticket. Their slogan would be "Booker and Hooker"

The Zebra ticket.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 12, 2019, 12:15:43 am
FTA

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President Trump delivered on tax reform. He delivered on regulatory rollbacks. He delivered on undermining Obamacare. He delivered on moving the embassy in Israel. He delivered on withdrawal from the Paris Accord. He delivered on withdrawal from the Iranian agreement. He delivered on shifting American foreign policy focus to the Western Hemisphere to deal with Venezuela, Cuba, and other hotspots. He delivered on solid executive appointments, including to the judiciary.

Quote
I will vote for Donald Trump and Mike Pence. And, to be clear, it will not be just because of what the other side offers, but also because of what the Trump-Pence team has done. They’ve earned my vote.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Night Hides Not on February 12, 2019, 12:23:47 am
No matter how much I hated Trump, there is no way in hell I would ever vote for a Democrat.

I made that vow decades ago, i.e. not voting for a Democrat under any circumstance. I almost broke that vow, but the Dem that ran against Kenny Marchant was a left wing CPA with screwy ideas.

You can count my wife in as one who's no longer an NT. I'm holding my fire for next year. Trump's done some good stuff, but my objections have been stated many times on TBR. I can be stubborn to a fault, such as when a Trump Brigadier makes witty comments such as, "not voting for Trump means you want Hillary in the WH."
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: austingirl on February 12, 2019, 12:29:22 am
Lovely. Voting for a straight up Marxist. I will LOVE grinding your face into that like a naughty puppy who shit on the carpet.

(https://i2.wp.com/www.thenetspies.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/bookerHarris.jpg)

I heard Kamaltoe give an interview, laughing about using pot (she inhaled and isn't afraid to say so). She didn't use her normal speaking voice. You'd swear she was raised in Mississippi. Hilarious and reminiscent of Hitlery's southern-fried accent.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Hoodat on February 12, 2019, 12:33:47 am
I made that vow decades ago, i.e. not voting for a Democrat under any circumstance. I almost broke that vow, but the Dem that ran against Kenny Marchant was a left wing CPA with screwy ideas.

There's always voting 3rd party or not voting at all.  In the Presidential race, I went 3rd party in 1988, 1992, 2008, and 2016.  Went with Dole in 1996 only because of Jack Kemp.  In the last Congressional race, I just left it blank.  Good riddance to the lazy establishment-hack GOP incumbent.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Night Hides Not on February 12, 2019, 12:34:24 am
Lovely. Voting for a straight up Marxist. I will LOVE grinding your face into that like a naughty puppy who shit on the carpet.

(https://i2.wp.com/www.thenetspies.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/bookerHarris.jpg)

What they have in common is they both dig white guys in the sack.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Emjay on February 12, 2019, 12:41:54 am
You speak for a lot of folks @Emjay .

It’s been happening across the electorate ever since Trump took office. People have started to trust their own two eyes and not the narratives flowing from the democrats two-year public tantrum over Trump’s election, nor are they believing CNNBCBS’ political attacks disguised as news.

People have been thinking for themselves and deciding they like the resolve they see coming from this president. That’s why his poll numbers have been spiking.

Thanks @aligncare   And I think the media overplayed their hand by their constant lying about Trump.  People finally started to take their stories with more than a grain of salt when most of them couldn't be proven and didn't pan out.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Emjay on February 12, 2019, 12:44:56 am
Did you file a Mod Report so they can see the threads?

Nope, maybe I should.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Emjay on February 12, 2019, 12:46:37 am
I think Hillary would be the president right now if Ted Cruz had gotten the nomination.

@Dexter   Hate to do it but I reluctantly agree.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Sanguine on February 12, 2019, 12:46:58 am
There's always voting 3rd party or not voting at all.  In the Presidential race, I went 3rd party in 1988, 1992, 2008, and 2016.  Went with Dole in 1996 only because of Jack Kemp.  In the last Congressional race, I just left it blank.  Good riddance to the lazy establishment-hack GOP incumbent.

Hopefully this time we can leave third party voting to the dems.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Emjay on February 12, 2019, 12:48:13 am
There's always voting 3rd party or not voting at all.  In the Presidential race, I went 3rd party in 1988, 1992, 2008, and 2016.  Went with Dole in 1996 only because of Jack Kemp.  In the last Congressional race, I just left it blank.  Good riddance to the lazy establishment-hack GOP incumbent.

So you were content for your vote not to count in four elections and I get the feeling you're proud about it.  All righty then.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: roamer_1 on February 12, 2019, 12:48:22 am
Hopefully this time we can leave third party voting to the dems.

NOPE.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 12, 2019, 12:49:33 am
I think Hillary would be the president right now if Ted Cruz had gotten the nomination.

Have you ever seen an example of "idle speculation?"  Kindly look at the quote of your post in the lines above, because that right there is idle speculation.  You have absolutely no way of proving, or even knowing, if your statement is correct, yet you assert it as some sort of irrevocable fact.

You asked about whether people would debate you, and this sort of thing was why you did not receive positive responses.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 12, 2019, 12:50:06 am
Nope, maybe I should.

Yes, please, or the Mods won't see it.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: roamer_1 on February 12, 2019, 12:50:18 am
I think Hillary would be the president right now if Ted Cruz had gotten the nomination.

I think Cruz would have won with a mandate. And the TEA Party would be Cruzin.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 12, 2019, 12:52:04 am
@Dexter   Hate to do it but I reluctantly agree.

@Emjay

I can't say if I agree or not, because his assertion is idle speculation with no way of knowing the truth of it.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Emjay on February 12, 2019, 12:55:46 am
I don't agree, but we'll never know now, will we?

No, we'll never know and I still hope Ted Cruz will be our President some day, but I just think Trump was a special force, amazing to me at the time, and to a lot of other people, but kinda fate.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Emjay on February 12, 2019, 12:56:23 am
Yes, please, or the Mods won't see it.

Done.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Frank Cannon on February 12, 2019, 12:59:35 am
I heard Kamaltoe give an interview, laughing about using pot (she inhaled and isn't afraid to say so). She didn't use her normal speaking voice. You'd swear she was raised in Mississippi. Hilarious and reminiscent of Hitlery's southern-fried accent.

She's a straight up fraud. She is trying to pass for black and be authentic. She is about as authentic as Squaw Warren.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: MOD8 on February 12, 2019, 01:00:16 am
Merged topics
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 12, 2019, 01:01:30 am
Done.

Thanks!
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Fishrrman on February 12, 2019, 01:22:26 am
rustynail wrote:
"Tax refunds down dramatically spells the end for Trump and the GOP."

Huh? Don' know 'bout you, but...
My tax bill went down (with HIGHER reported income) and my refund just about doubled...
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: libertybele on February 12, 2019, 01:35:38 am
rustynail wrote:
"Tax refunds down dramatically spells the end for Trump and the GOP."

Huh? Don' know 'bout you, but...
My tax bill went down (with HIGHER reported income) and my refund just about doubled...

Good for you!   :beer:
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: rangerrebew on February 12, 2019, 11:47:24 am
Erick Erickson: I was Never Trump in 2016 and I’m voting for Trump in 2020

AllahpunditPosted at 12:01 pm on February 11, 2019

No matter where the Republican Party goes, lesser-of-two-evils arguments will always be there to convince righties to accept the status quo. From now on it’s “Flight 93 elections” all the way down.

I’m treating his post as partial vindication for my theory that Trump could abandon the idea of building a border wall entirely, even publicly repudiate it as stupid in hindsight, and he’d lose Ann Coulter’s vote and virtually no one else’s. Erickson understands what motivates most voters: It’s not a matter of Trump keeping his promises, it’s a matter of keeping Democrats out of power and punishing their sycophants in the media. POTUS delivered on various things over the past two years, beginning with judicial nominees. If he doesn’t deliver on the wall, bummer. But what’s the alternative? President Kamala Harris?

https://hotair.com/archives/2019/02/11/erick-erickson-never-trump-2016-im-voting-trump-2020/
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: MOD3 on February 12, 2019, 05:16:14 pm
Topics merged.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Jazzhead on February 12, 2019, 05:23:40 pm
Looks like another lesser-of-two-evils election.    We'll need to decide if the purpose of our vote is to signal our virtue, or be part of the fight.   
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Sanguine on February 12, 2019, 05:25:18 pm
Looks like another lesser-of-two-evils election.    We'll need to decide if the purpose of our vote is to signal our virtue, or be part of the fight.   

EVERY election is a lesser-of-two-evils election.   
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: aligncare on February 12, 2019, 06:49:20 pm
Looks like another lesser-of-two-evils election.    We'll need to decide if the purpose of our vote is to signal our virtue, or be part of the fight.   

EVERY election is a lesser-of-two-evils election.   

And it’s another opportunity for some of the special voters – you know them, the ones whose vote always counts more than yours – to condescend how their vote was made on principles, while other voters – well, they were just voting as a bit of a lark, plus they had nothing better to do that Tuesday.

That’s so cute how they think that.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Idiot on February 12, 2019, 07:07:04 pm
I too shall be voting for Trump.  Is he still an ass at times....yup...sure is. 
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Emjay on February 12, 2019, 07:11:57 pm
And it’s another opportunity for some of the special voters – you know them, the ones whose vote always counts more than yours – to condescend how their vote was made on principles, while other voters – well, they were just voting as a bit of a lark, plus they had nothing better to do that Tuesday.

That’s so cute how they think that.

So cute I want to puke @aligncare   Every election is a choice; some are easy and inevitable and some require one to walk over a little glass.  I wasn't all that thrilled with a couple of recent Republican candidates but they were better than the alternative.  Just like GWB, love him or hate him, was miles better than his two opponents, Swift Boat Kerry and Global Warming Algore.

And a lot of our beloved posters are proud that they wasted their votes going third party as though they saved their own souls by refusing to vote for someone who wasn't perfect.

The last third party vote that meant anything was for H. Ross Poirot and all that did was elect Clinton.

Well, I'm not responding to idiots anymore.  It accomplishes nothing. 
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Applewood on February 12, 2019, 07:45:35 pm
So cute I want to puke @aligncare   Every election is a choice; some are easy and inevitable and some require one to walk over a little glass.  I wasn't all that thrilled with a couple of recent Republican candidates but they were better than the alternative.  Just like GWB, love him or hate him, was miles better than his two opponents, Swift Boat Kerry and Global Warming Algore.

And a lot of our beloved posters are proud that they wasted their votes going third party as though they saved their own souls by refusing to vote for someone who wasn't perfect.

The last third party vote that meant anything was for H. Ross Poirot and all that did was elect Clinton.

Well, I'm not responding to idiots anymore.  It accomplishes nothing.


Seems to me the ones who are being sanctimonious are the ones who vote for Trump and look down their noses at anyone else who chooses to vote differently or chooses not to vote at all.

I will note vote for Trump period.  It's my choice -- just as it is your choice to vote for Trump. 

And if you aren't happy with my choice, then too bad.  I was always told by Trump fans they didn't need my vote.  Fine with me 'cuz they aren't getting it.  If  anyone thinks they are going to make me feel badly about my decision, think again.  Te problem will be yours, not mine.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Emjay on February 12, 2019, 07:50:48 pm

Seems to me the ones who are being sanctimonious are the ones who vote for Trump and look down their noses at anyone else who chooses to vote differently or chooses not to vote at all.

I will note vote for Trump period.  It's my choice -- just as it is your choice to vote for Trump. 

And if you aren't happy with my choice, then too bad.  I was always told by Trump fans they didn't need my vote.  Fine with me 'cuz they aren't getting it.  If  anyone thinks they are going to make me feel badly about my decision, think again.  Te problem will be yours, not mine.

I cannot tell you how little I care what or who you vote for @Applewood ...  I can't imagine how you got the impression I did care.

I happen to think it is in our best interest to have a Republican as President and the current antics within the democrat party should confirm that to anyone.

But, by all means, suit yourself, secure in the knowledge that I DO NOT CARE.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: corbe on February 12, 2019, 08:00:44 pm
   During the Presidential elections of past years unless you lived in a SWING State your vote for the lesser of two evils has been meaningless.  So use that opportunity to show this defunk party (GOP) that if they would put up someone half way decent I wouldn't vote Conservative/Constitution party, they get the message, yet still refuse to learn from it.   

   Long story short I refrain from ragging anyone from say, Pennsylvania or Florida for voting for Trump in 2016.  It was pivotal to his election over the worst of the two evils~hellary. 
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: DCPatriot on February 12, 2019, 08:00:56 pm
So cute I want to puke @aligncare   Every election is a choice; some are easy and inevitable and some require one to walk over a little glass.  I wasn't all that thrilled with a couple of recent Republican candidates but they were better than the alternative.  Just like GWB, love him or hate him, was miles better than his two opponents, Swift Boat Kerry and Global Warming Algore.

And a lot of our beloved posters are proud that they wasted their votes going third party as though they saved their own souls by refusing to vote for someone who wasn't perfect.

The last third party vote that meant anything was for H. Ross Poirot and all that did was elect Clinton.

Well, I'm not responding to idiots anymore.  It accomplishes nothing.

Exactly, @Emjay

All one does is piss off @Mod2    /s


:laugh:

Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: corbe on February 12, 2019, 08:03:07 pm
   And all this time I thought Mod2 was @Right_in_Virginia
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Emjay on February 12, 2019, 08:07:54 pm
Exactly, @Emjay

All one does is piss off @Mod2    /s


:laugh:

Really @Right_in_Virginia   I thought it was Mod 5 who couldn't stand me.

Anyway, it is an exercise in futility and isn't good for me.  I'll just state my opinion and ignore anyone who is dumb enough not to agree with me.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Wingnut on February 12, 2019, 08:17:37 pm
People.  There are no Mods.   If you look behind the curtain it is just some old green dude pulling levers and running a smoke machine. 
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 12, 2019, 08:31:46 pm
People.  There are no Mods.   If you look behind the curtain it is just some old green dude pulling levers and running a smoke machine.

 ****slapping 22222frying pan :chairbang: :chairbang:
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Sanguine on February 12, 2019, 08:35:43 pm
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Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: musiclady on February 12, 2019, 08:41:26 pm
No, not unity for unity's sake... What the GOP has lost is common cause. That is what provides for unity.
And I do not believe it will ever be found again. Certainly not for principled Conservatives.

^^^THIS^^^

We were told in 2016 that Constitutional Conservatives should take a hike.  We were told that the Trump "Republican" party didn't want anything to do with Conservatism.

And so we left the party in droves.

And are now being scolded for doing what they wanted us to do.

That's not going to change my mind.  I understand why some people will vote for Trump, either again, or for the first time, but I do not concur that it is the right decision...
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: edpc on February 12, 2019, 09:34:43 pm
If this latest deal goes through and is viewed as a capitulation, I wonder what Erickson will say, then? His announcements seem to have a reverse effect on things.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: roamer_1 on February 12, 2019, 09:50:18 pm
I happen to think it is in our best interest to have a Republican as President and the current antics within the democrat party should confirm that to anyone.

 :silly: :silly: :silly:
As if there aren't the very same antics among Republicans. It no longer matters which party you vote for - you will get the same thing, no matter what - That is what happens when 'lesser evil' is the bar of admission.
Idiocy.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Idiot on February 12, 2019, 09:53:08 pm
:silly: :silly: :silly:
As if there aren't the very same antics among Republicans. It no longer matters which party you vote for - you will get the same thing, no matter what - That is what happens when 'lesser evil' is the bar of admission.
Idiocy.
Not necessarily....   The democrats want to END my livelihood of making a living in the oil & gas industry.  I think I know who to vote for....
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: roamer_1 on February 12, 2019, 09:55:05 pm
That's not going to change my mind.  I understand why some people will vote for Trump, either again, or for the first time, but I do not concur that it is the right decision...

Neither do I.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Emjay on February 12, 2019, 11:49:00 pm
Not necessarily....   The democrats want to END my livelihood of making a living in the oil & gas industry.  I think I know who to vote for....

It's a pretty clear choice to me also.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 12, 2019, 11:57:30 pm
Really @Right_in_Virginia   I thought it was Mod 5 who couldn't stand me. 

I'm not sure what you're talking about @Emjay and I don't know if this is tongue-in-cheek.  But let me assure you the very last person the powers that be would accept as a moderator is me.  There'd be too many cleanups on aisles one, two, three and four.   :laugh:



Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: roamer_1 on February 13, 2019, 12:25:58 am
Not necessarily....   The democrats want to END my livelihood of making a living in the oil & gas industry.  I think I know who to vote for....

It was largely Republicans in office when logging shut down and the forest got gated off - so what's your point?
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Night Hides Not on February 13, 2019, 12:33:10 am
It was largely Republicans in office when logging shut down and the forest got gated off - so what's your point?

I believe we can thank the Pubbies for the continued subsidies on ethanol, too.

And how can I ever forget how their agenda is influenced by the Chamber of Crony Capitalism?
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 13, 2019, 12:34:29 am
It was largely Republicans in office when logging shut down and the forest got gated off - so what's your point?

True, I suppose, about the logging, but Obastard worked overtime to help his pal Al shut down fossil fuels from public lands.  The current "boom" is in spite of that.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: roamer_1 on February 13, 2019, 12:40:36 am
I believe we can thank the Pubbies for the continued subsidies on ethanol, too.

And how can I ever forget how their agenda is influenced by the Chamber of Crony Capitalism?

YEP. It don't matter which side you pick - It's the same side. Left foot, right foot, shuffling off to Gomorrah.

When Conservatives are disabused of the idea that Republicans are their salvation - When they stop pulling the lever for the big, rhinestone R... Then comes change.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: roamer_1 on February 13, 2019, 12:42:30 am
True, I suppose, about the logging, but Obastard worked overtime to help his pal Al shut down fossil fuels from public lands.  The current "boom" is in spite of that.

No, it is not. all they'd have to do is regulate it into oblivion, which they actually did not.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: verga on February 13, 2019, 03:02:51 am

And a lot of our beloved posters are proud that they wasted their votes going third party as though they saved their own souls by refusing to vote for someone who wasn't perfect.


I voted 3rd party in 2016. I thought Trump was a closet liberal. He did prove me wrong. But living VA it wouldn't have mattered either way. Between NOVA and Richmond the Commonwealth was going for Shrillary no matter what. Now given the current state of affairs here now I can see us going Red again.  ind you once I saw how the MSM was beating him up it was not a huge leap for me to begin to support him.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on February 13, 2019, 03:59:57 am
@libertybele

Hmmm..lets see

For the first two years his party controlled both chambers of the legislature.

Did he get a wall...no,
did he get Obamacare repealed...no,
did he get a budget passed...no
did he prove himself to be a great deal maker..no
did he keep the promises he was elected on...no

Since the GOP lost the House the great deal maker's negotiating tactic is to hold his breath until he turns blue and shut down the government, further damaging the prospects of any gains by the GOP in 2020.

The choice that was posed was Trump, Biden or 3rd Party... I took Biden from the three choices. I will vote for whoever has the best chance of beating Trump, it could be Biden or any other crazy Dim, as long as they are not Trump and they have the best chance of beating him they will get my vote...

The fact is that the GOP functions best as an opposition party. They are simply incapable of running on a platform, winning and then implementing that platform. History shows that as the opposition party they can get far more of their agenda passed in a Dim controlled congress with a Dim president than they can when they control the presidency and both chambers.

The vast majority of the GOP, including Trump,  are not traditional Conservatives as the term would have been understood by Buckley, Goldwater or Reagan, they like the vast majority of the Dims are simply fans of their team and they react emotionally.

I suppose some might think it is a positive that Trump has masterfully manipulated that emotion.... :shrug:

@montanajoe

Dude, don't let politics make you give up your soul.  Voting for a dem is casting yourself in with the people who want to outright murder babies after they're born. 
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: LegalAmerican on February 13, 2019, 04:11:45 am

Suddenly, the "go-to" argument or defense NTs used for 3 years is a "good argument"?

LOL!   Pathetic.

Somebody wants to be a substitute host for Rush Limbaugh....again.

It's time for all NTs everywhere to just STFU.

If you can't see the difference between the two parties, you shouldn't have the right to vote.    Morons.


Agree!  People  "worry" about president Trumps character??   Those need to worry about their OWN CHARACTERS! 

We have a statue for MLK.  A man who was an adulterer, pervert, plagiarizer, liar & communist.   We have a holiday for him.  He was found in hotel room with 3 women.  What is this VIRTUE signaling that people feel, they must do?
Eric Erickson?  Seems I remember about, some sexual harassment charges about him and about some lying.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on February 13, 2019, 04:14:20 am

Agree!  People  "worry" about president Trumps character??   Those need to worry about their OWN CHARACTERS! 

We have a statue for MLK.  A man who was an adulterer, pervert, plagiarizer, liar & communist.   We have a holiday for him.  He was found in hotel room with 3 women.  What is this VIRTUE signaling that people feel, they must do?
Eric Erickson?  Seems I remember about, some sexual harassment charges about him and about some lying.

@LegalAmerican

Are you saying we should have a holiday for the adulterer & liar Trump?

I don't know if that's a standard we really want to establish...
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Emjay on February 13, 2019, 04:17:09 am
I'm not sure what you're talking about @Emjay and I don't know if this is tongue-in-cheek.  But let me assure you the very last person the powers that be would accept as a moderator is me.  There'd be too many cleanups on aisles one, two, three and four.   :laugh:

I couldn't do it either @Right_in_Virginia . I wouldn't have the patience.  I wasn't talking about you at all ... that was another poster.  I just thought another Mod than 2 disliked me because of previous actions by her and odd private messages I'd gotten from her.  But it seems to be cool now.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Emjay on February 13, 2019, 04:29:16 am

From the original article:

  Where I parted company is with the implication that by voting I’m engaged in some sort of sacrament where only the purist are allowed to run for office. I think the whole horndog train pulled out of the station in 1992 and while I might personally disapprove of it, I see no reason to commit political suicide over something that the rest of the nation doesn’t care about."

The only democrat president I can remember who was a good guy and faithful to Bess was Truman.
Kennedy, LBJ, Clinton were all horrible horndogs.

I don't think Trump is in their class at all; he's just a fluffy little lamb compared to past democrats; so maybe we could stop putting that fake mantle on him, just to be fair.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: LegalAmerican on February 13, 2019, 04:37:17 am
@LegalAmerican

Are you saying we should have a holiday for the adulterer & liar Trump?

I don't know if that's a standard we really want to establish...

lol...how do you people come up with this stuff?  I am pointing OUT , about VIRTUE SIGNALING people, when they are no better than anyone else.  So, are you saying we should  erect a statue to JFK, ROBERT KENNEDY, Teddy "the killer" Kennedy?  (sarcasm)

Statue for RAPIST, adulter Bill & Hillary Clinton? Hillary cheats too, with women on Bill.  Most of congress & their adultery's with Madam in Wash. D.C.?  Are you for real?  I just have to ask, because you don't seem to understand, what HUMAN is. Obama, gay, muslim, liar, fraud.  DEMS want him on Mt. Rushmore.  Do you realize how dirty politicians ARE?  First, if Trump was unfaithful..NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. Between he & his wife.  That was before he was in office. !9 years ago? So, now we need a PURITAN TEST...before running for president?   Even the POPE won't pass!  He is a pedO.  Come down to earth.  President TRUMP has been egged good as gold, since in office. (I hate auto-correct) THAT is what should count.  The rest did their dirty deeds while IN OFFICE.  Remember congress SLUSH FUND to pay off women, for "attacks", dropping, groping,  raping?   According to you NO ONE WOULD BE ABLE TO RUN FOR ANY OFFICE.  Any man or woman, who EVER strayed, would never be forgiven, for eternity, according to you. THAT is not Christian. Forgive; 70 X 7.  Now, don't bother with my spelling, punctuation, grammar.  Focus on the issues.

Were YOU cheated on? Your mom?  It was NOT PRESIDENT TRUMP...don't try to take that out on him. Marla Maples, cheated on him.

Everyone on here, pure as the driven snow?  lol  Obama was gay, male wh0re for rich white men to get his cocaine. Obama smoked pot, drank, smoked.  There was a brewery in the White House for his love of drinking beer.

My president, does not smoke anything, drink any alcohol, nor do any illegal drugs.  He has SAVED AMERICA, for now.

Democrats never have any issue with their leaders.  You either vote, support President TRUMP, or you will have a socialist country, or communist muslim country. LATE TERM ABORTIONS.  Why does THAT not get into your brain?   SOS.

WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM)
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: LegalAmerican on February 13, 2019, 04:47:24 am
From the original article:

  Where I parted company is with the implication that by voting I’m engaged in some sort of sacrament where only the purist are allowed to run for office. I think the whole horndog train pulled out of the station in 1992 and while I might personally disapprove of it, I see no reason to commit political suicide over something that the rest of the nation doesn’t care about."

The only democrat president I can remember who was a good guy and faithful to Bess was Truman.
Kennedy, LBJ, Clinton were all horrible horndogs.


I don't think Trump is in their class at all; he's just a fluffy little lamb compared to past democrats; so maybe we could stop putting that fake mantle on him, just to be fair.

Nice comment. I agree.
No one knows for sure about any president..even while in office. Roosevelt?  Had his "mistress' live with him. Elenor was deemed...gay.  She certainly looked it.  Eisenhower was rumored to have affair with his Driver Summersby. And on and
on. How did people become so gung-ho about virtue NOW?   NOW?  Phony outrage. This stuff has gone on for century's...heck since the beginning of time.  It was JUST not talked about and told to the public. Eric below; does his language sound like a spiritual person or nasty person?   What is his character? 
---------
 He became the editor-in-chief of the influential conservative blog RedState in 2006, a position he held for nearly a decade. In a 2008 blog post, he dubbed Michelle Obama a “Marxist harpy.” In a 2009 tweet, he called the retiring Supreme Court Justice David Souter “a goat bleep child molester.” Later that year, Erickson argued that President Obama won the Nobel Prize because of an “affirmative action quota.” The 2014 Democratic gubernatorial candidate in Texas, Wendy Davis, was, in due time, “Abortion Barbie.”=ARTICLE
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: roamer_1 on February 13, 2019, 04:48:46 am
What purile pap.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: LegalAmerican on February 13, 2019, 04:55:38 am
@LegalAmerican

Are you saying we should have a holiday for the adulterer & liar Trump?

I don't know if that's a standard we really want to establish...


lol.  Yes, that is exactly what I was saying.   ****slapping


First, there is ZERO LIES.   Second, as president, President TRUMP has been good as gold. He can't even use ketchup, without press writing about it. 

Next;  List the lies.  How many times do we have to educate people on here?     SOS

Sorry... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vsbr8QMPLWY&t=23s#)


Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: corbe on February 13, 2019, 04:59:41 am
    Yea, AND Trump doesn't abuse dogs like LBJ did.

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Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on February 13, 2019, 05:01:48 am
It's time for all NTs everywhere to just STFU.

If you can't see the difference between the two parties, you shouldn't have the right to vote.    Morons.

Now I see the winning.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on February 13, 2019, 05:04:30 am
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Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on February 13, 2019, 05:09:14 am
We have a statue for MLK.  A man who was an adulterer, pervert, plagiarizer, liar & communist.   We have a holiday for him.  He was found in hotel room with 3 women.

Trump definitely grabbed more than anybody in history.  I'm not the only one saying this.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: LegalAmerican on February 13, 2019, 05:12:22 am
Not necessarily....   The democrats want to END my livelihood of making a living in the oil & gas industry.  I think I know who to vote for....

GOOD. THANK YOU!  Some people don't 'get" our very LIVES....COUNTRY...is at stake.  SURVIVAL.  They are stuck on 'virtue"...Yes...THAT will save our country and put food on the table...

THERE WILL NEVER BE A PERSON GOOD ENOUGH FOR SOME.  Pope can't run, PEDO...priests in Catholic Church? Rabbi's?  Any Evangelists?  Those who were corrupt, cheated on wives for gay sex?  I can never get a NAME from posters on here, who they think is good enough or BETTER than president TRUMP to run our country.    WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM)
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: roamer_1 on February 13, 2019, 05:15:53 am
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Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: RoosGirl on February 13, 2019, 05:16:44 am

Agree!  People  "worry" about president Trumps character??   Those need to worry about their OWN CHARACTERS! 

We have a statue for MLK.  A man who was an adulterer, pervert, plagiarizer, liar & communist.   We have a holiday for him.  He was found in hotel room with 3 women.  What is this VIRTUE signaling that people feel, they must do?
Eric Erickson?  Seems I remember about, some sexual harassment charges about him and about some lying.

Easy there, sister.  Some people consider that truth you laid down about MLK Jr. to be racist.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on February 13, 2019, 05:17:32 am
lol...how do you people come up with this stuff?  I am pointing OUT , about VIRTUE SIGNALING people, when they are no better than anyone else.  So, are you saying we should  erect a statue to JFK, ROBERT KENNEDY, Teddy "the killer" Kennedy?  (sarcasm)
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Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 13, 2019, 05:42:35 am
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There are millions of mini-statues, too.  They still make the 50-cent piece.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on February 13, 2019, 06:12:52 am
There are millions of mini-statues, too.  They still make the 50-cent piece.
It appears @LegalAmerican is unaware of this.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: LegalAmerican on February 18, 2019, 11:12:25 pm

Suddenly, the "go-to" argument or defense NTs used for 3 years is a "good argument"?

LOL!   Pathetic.

Somebody wants to be a substitute host for Rush Limbaugh....again.

It's time for all NTs everywhere to just STFU.

If you can't see the difference between the two parties, you shouldn't have the right to vote.    Morons.



 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: LegalAmerican on February 18, 2019, 11:20:02 pm
.......JFK & LBJ.....both cheated on their wives...WHILE IN OFFICE.   

 They were the ones, who started giving ILLEGALS WELFARE and all the perks normally for CITIZENS.

 We need more statues of them, for doing this. (sarcasm) They created the ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION NIGHTMARE. (TRUTH)
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: LegalAmerican on February 18, 2019, 11:20:38 pm
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2qIXXafxCQ#)
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Formerly Once-Ler on February 18, 2019, 11:46:37 pm
.......JFK & LBJ.....both cheated on their wives...WHILE IN OFFICE.   

 They were the ones, who started giving ILLEGALS WELFARE and all the perks normally for CITIZENS.

 We need more statues of them, for doing this. (sarcasm) They created the ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION NIGHTMARE. (TRUTH)

AMERICAN WELFARE FOR AMERICANS!!!
so conservative...
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: edpc on February 19, 2019, 12:06:07 am
This story should actually worry people, since Erickson is usually wrong and his endorsement is the KOD.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Hoodat on February 19, 2019, 12:44:38 am
This story should actually worry people, since Erickson is usually wrong and his endorsement is the KOD.

You got that right.  I still chuckle when I think about him giving us the inside track that Noot was going to be the nominee.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: ottin2020 on February 19, 2019, 12:48:59 am
Taboo Busting – Racism, Bias, & Oppression

May I ask you a question?

Have you ever seen someone or found some fact about a person and thought to yourself, “Oh, thank God I’m not him (her)?” For example, you see a quadriplegic in a wheelchair or hear that someone’s been diagnosed with Stage 4 cancer.

That feeling of thankfulness is real and indicative of a fundamental truth – but for the grace of God or other source of providence, your roles could be reversed. We, each of us, ended up where we are and who we are by chance. The truth is that you could be me at this moment and I, you. The truth is that both you and I could have been born 300 years ago rather than living here today. I could go on with examples, but you get the point.

Why is that important? Because we as individuals tend to think of ourselves as different from others – often embracing “a me versus them” attitude. We might be tempted to, or even act on, an internal belief that we are better than someone else for whatever reason – appearance, education, financial wealth, genetics, etc.

Let’s focus on appearance for the moment. Most of us tend to trust people that look like we do and, of course, tend to mistrust people that don’t look the same. There’s a reasonable explanation for this tendency. Our family cares for us as we are raised. The family is the source of food, shelter, love, protection, and myriad other benefits. And what’s true about the members of our family? They look very similar to ourselves because, obviously, their genetics are almost the same as ours.

This trust for “family” is natural and appropriate for childhood. However, as we transition into adulthood, we are thrust into a new reality – the global reality. We tend to be around our families much, much less and the offspring of other families much, much more. This greater exposure to the world at large is a necessary outcome of our individual specialization – we grow strong in specific capabilities and depend upon society around us to provide where we are weak. For example, a women trains to be a doctor and then uses wages earned from her work to purchase food, shelter, and other essentials.

Another truth is that, at any given moment, any one of us can be thrust into a situation where we’re alone among others that aren’t family members. It is at these moments that the larger group can look upon the individual as inferior and, unfortunately, adopt a belligerent or oppressive attitude because the numbers allow this status when there are the many compared to the one.

Here’s the important point! In these situations, we’ve all got to fight any internal tendency to oppress another person. Why? Because tomorrow or even moments in the future, the situation could be reversed and the person being oppressed this second might join a group of oppressors of someone else the next.

Remember, you are who you are and you are where you are at the moment by act of God or other providence. Oppressor or Oppressed. It’s literally a coin flip for each of us at any given moment. In a global world where we truly depend on each other to deliver on each others’ specialties, we need each other – regardless of color of skin or religious preference or financial status or place of employment or…or…or…

We must never oppress anyone at any time. We cannot tolerate actions of others that seek to oppress. We cannot stand by while acts of oppression are carried out nearby or anywhere around the globe.

We need to get beyond the taboo regarding open discussion of racism, bias, and oppression. We must be open to discussing racism and its contribution to oppression anywhere and at any time. We have to be self-aware and self-correcting, constantly asking ourselves, “If this person where literally me, would I be treating them any different right now?” In an ideal future, the answer will always be “no.” Historically, unfortunately, the answer has very often been “yes”.

We cannot correct the past. We absolutely can, however, embrace the horrors of the truth about the past. We can embrace, feel and sincerely acknowledge the pain that’s been visited upon others, past and present. We must openly acknowledge our weakness, beg forgiveness for it, and act openly to demonstrate that we are conscientiously changing our behavior for the good of ourselves, as individuals and as members of the human race.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Hoodat on February 19, 2019, 12:52:03 am
May I ask you a question?

Have you ever seen someone or found some fact about a person and thought to yourself, “Oh, thank God I’m not him (her)?” For example, you see a quadriplegic in a wheelchair or hear that someone’s been diagnosed with Stage 4 cancer.

I do that every time I meet a liberal.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: roamer_1 on February 19, 2019, 12:55:32 am
Taboo Busting – Racism, Bias, & Oppression


WTF are you goin on about?
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: skeeter on February 19, 2019, 12:57:49 am

WTF are you goin on about?

This forum needs its own Humblegunner.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: roamer_1 on February 19, 2019, 01:02:16 am
This forum needs its own Humblegunner.

No kidding.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 19, 2019, 01:11:06 am
This forum needs its own Humblegunner.

We had one (not John, aka, "Humblegunner), and he got tired of fighting with all comers so he stopped posting some time ago.  I think he got busy with Real Life projects.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: txradioguy on February 19, 2019, 01:11:20 am
   
They were the ones, who started giving ILLEGALS WELFARE and all the perks normally for CITIZENS.


@LegalAmerican I'm sure you have a credible link to back that up right?
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on February 19, 2019, 01:42:28 am
@ottin2020, there’s a flaw in your logic.  One is not necessarily oppressed or oppressor.  That’s a simplistic worldview that revolves around victimhood, and victimhood is addictive.

Can you tell me why I should be conscientiously changing my behavior?  What knowledge do you have of affronts that I’ve committed?  Who am I supposed to be begging for forgiveness and why?  Be specific if you can. 

I’m on social media, and overwhelmingly, the racism I see is directed towards white people.  What’s your opinion of that?  It’s trendy today for white people to apologize for their own skin color.  Should we do that?

I look forward to your answers.  I hope that all of your posts here won’t be lengthy scolding speeches— it would be nice if you engaged us in the discussion.

As for being thankful I wasn’t born 300 years ago?  Absolutely.  Trust me, I thank God that I live in the age of antibiotics, dark chocolate, good coffee, and Clorox.







Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on February 19, 2019, 01:50:24 am
@ottin2020, on second thought l, don’t bother.  I went to your website— so one of your platforms is “we have to change our eating.”

Lol, you can keep your damn nose glued to your own plate and out of mine. 
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: DCPatriot on February 19, 2019, 01:51:37 am
@LegalAmerican I'm sure you have a credible link to back that up right?

Why?   So you can label it "propaganda".   :whistle:
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: DCPatriot on February 19, 2019, 01:54:15 am

...snip


I look forward to your answers.  I hope that all of your posts here won’t be lengthy scolding speeches— it would be nice if you engaged us in the discussion.

You mean like John Semmens does?     /s


Quote

As for being thankful I wasn’t born 300 years ago?  Absolutely.  Trust me, I thank God that I live in the age of antibiotics, dark chocolate, good coffee, and Clorox.

 888high58888
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Emjay on February 19, 2019, 02:09:49 am
I do that every time I meet a liberal.

Really?  Wow.  Most of your posts here center around how bad Trump is, not how bad liberals are.

But, good to know.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: roamer_1 on February 19, 2019, 02:18:11 am
Really?  Wow.  Most of your posts here center around how bad Trump is, not how bad liberals are.

But, good to know.

Same thing.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: edpc on February 19, 2019, 02:19:18 am
Same thing.


LOL
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: txradioguy on February 19, 2019, 02:20:57 am
Why?   So you can label it "propaganda".   :whistle:

Hence the reason I said credible.  Not that vacuous "magapill" BS.

She put out a really BS statement...especially in light of the fact the illegals problems weren't much of a problem during Kennedy and Johnson. 

Thats back when Caesar Chavez had his union members actively patrolling to keep "wetbacks" (his term not mine) from crossing into the US and for cheap wages and undermining his efforts.

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQ9jIXHhFJI#)


The only one putting out propaganda...and doing a poor job of it is LegalAmerican.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: txradioguy on February 19, 2019, 02:22:09 am
@ottin2020, on second thought l, don’t bother.  I went to your website— so one of your platforms is “we have to change our eating.”

Lol, you can keep your damn nose glued to your own plate and out of mine.

Having Spartacus tell us are days as meat eaters are numbered is bad enough.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on February 19, 2019, 02:22:58 am

@DCPatriot

Quote
You mean like John Semmens does?     /s

Don't get me kicked off the forum, but I am unfamiliar with the gentleman's work.


888high58888

 :beer:
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on February 19, 2019, 02:23:24 am
Having Spartacus tell us are days as meat eaters are numbered is bad enough.

Lmao
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Hoodat on February 19, 2019, 03:46:59 am
Really?  Wow.  Most of your posts here center around how bad Trump is, not how bad liberals are.

@Emjay

The posts in question center around how bad Trump is when he takes a liberal position.  You see, there is a difference between supporting Conservatism and supporting Trump.  I support Conservatism.  You support Trump.  The problem arises when you choose to falsely advance the narrative that the two are the same.  They are not.  So every time you choose to support Trump's liberal position, I will choose to call you on it no matter how hard you try to convince us that supporting Trump's liberal position is somehow really the Conservative position.

Case in point - the deficit.  There is NOTHING Conservative about a $2 trillion deficit.  Yet you insist that we must exhibit Conservatism by supporting Trump's signature on that deficit.  To hell with that.

I refuse to bend.  Conservatism first and foremost.  When Trump chooses to be a Conservative, he will get my support.  And when he chooses to be a liberal, he will get my criticism.  Contrast that with you who supports Trump regardless of whether he chooses to be Conservative or liberal.  But hey, if you want to support Kelo, amnesty, tariffs, and $2 trillion deficits, by all means be my guest.  No one is stopping you.  But please don't lie to the rest of us by calling it 'Conservative'.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: roamer_1 on February 19, 2019, 03:49:48 am
@Emjay

The posts in question center around how bad Trump is when he takes a liberal position.  You see, there is a difference between supporting Conservatism and supporting Trump.  I support Conservatism.  You support Trump.  The problem arises when you choose to falsely advance the narrative that the two are the same.  They are not.  So every time you choose to support Trump's liberal position, I will choose to call you on it no matter how hard you try to convince us that supporting Trump's liberal position is somehow really the Conservative position.

Case in point - the deficit.  There is NOTHING Conservative about a $2 trillion deficit.  Yet you insist that we must exhibit Conservatism by supporting Trump's signature on that deficit.  To hell with that.

I refuse to bend.  Conservatism first and foremost.  When Trump chooses to be a Conservative, he will get my support.  And when he chooses to be a liberal, he will get my criticism.  Contrast that with you who supports Trump regardless of whether he chooses to be Conservative or liberal.  But hey, if you want to support Kelo, amnesty, tariffs, and $2 trillion deficits, by all means be my guest.  No one is stopping you.  But please don't lie to the rest of us by calling it 'Conservative'.

QFT BRAVO!

 :hands:
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 19, 2019, 04:12:57 am
@Emjay

But please don't lie to the rest of us by calling it 'Conservative'.

@Hoodat Please stop with this straw man argument already.  What's left of the conservative "movement" needs its own Council of Trent to figure out who they are in the 21st Century to have any political substance.  Stop wasting time pointing fingers and pretending this isn't true.







Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 19, 2019, 04:17:06 am
@Hoodat Please stop with this straw man argument already.  What's left of the conservative "movement" needs its own Council of Trent to figure out who they are in the 21st Century to have any political substance.  Stop wasting time pointing fingers and pretending this isn't true.

I hope you can forgive the many who refuse to throw in the towel.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 19, 2019, 04:34:45 am
I hope you can forgive the many who refuse to throw in the towel.

I'm not asking anyone to throw in the towel @Cyber Liberty   I'm asking someone to figure out why the label "conservative" is so damn important. 

I'm asking why a "conservative" cannot look at the full achievements and goals of this President and admit the outcomes are and will be more to their liking than those of the last two Republican presidents combined.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: roamer_1 on February 19, 2019, 04:45:05 am
I'm asking why a "conservative" cannot look at the full achievements and goals of this President and admit the outcomes are and will be more to their liking than those of the last two Republican presidents combined.

Well that's a low bar... But he'd better hurry the hell up and do something or he maight not even get over that.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Hoodat on February 19, 2019, 04:49:30 am
@Hoodat Please stop with this straw man argument already.  What's left of the conservative "movement" needs its own Council of Trent to figure out who they are in the 21st Century to have any political substance.  Stop wasting time pointing fingers and pretending this isn't true.

We are all quite familiar with what is substantial politically for you.  However, I could care less about sacrificing Conservatism for the sake of political expediency.  You can pat yourself on the back ad nauseum, congratulating yourself each year the deficit increases another $2 trillion, or when another 1000 illegals are freed on their own recognizance on US soil while they await their asylum hearing, or when yet another tariff goes into effect causing yet another decrease in US exports and higher consumer costs for US consumers.  Because all that matters to you is that you get to claim some status of superiority over us Conservatives because your boy held on to the White House when the country got sold out.

It was this exact same mentality that put Terry McAuliffe in the governor's mansion in the Commonwealth.  It was because of people like you who sold Cuccinelli out because he wasn't part of Bolling's cabal.  And it is this same mentality that put the gavel in Nancy Pelosi's hand.  Why?  Because Conservatives have been kicked to the curb by the Trump-leading Establishment which you openly support.  And each time Conservatism suffers another blow, whether it is in the form of Trump offering amnesty, signing off on a 10% increase to the national debt, or failing to build a wall, you cheer it on by backing your Mitch McConnell-loving establishment-hack of a President 100%.

And if my side fails, it won't be because our ideals were wrong, it will be because they were untried - rejected by the likes of you.  But when your side fails, it will be because it failed to discard the very same liberal groupthink that has put us in this mess already.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Hoodat on February 19, 2019, 05:00:18 am
I'm not asking anyone to throw in the towel @Cyber Liberty   I'm asking someone to figure out why the label "conservative" is so damn important.

It's not a label.  It's a principled ideal formulated on the back of history, tested and proven.  It is what this nation was founded upon.  Limited government.  Self rule.  Liberty for all.  A more perfect union.


I'm asking why a "conservative" cannot look at the full achievements and goals of this President and admit the outcomes are and will be more to their liking than those of the last two Republican presidents combined.

Are you seriously asking a Conservative to compare a non-Conservative outcome with a non-Conservative outcome?  Talk about a strawman.

Here's the deal.  When Trump does something Conservative, he has my full support.  But I absolutely will not support liberal bullshit in any form from Trump or anyone else.  So keep that in mind the next time you try to bullshit someone into believing that Trump is being a Conservative by signing on to a $2 trillion deficit.  Capisce?
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: txradioguy on February 19, 2019, 05:26:51 am
I hope you can forgive the many who refuse to throw in the towel.

You've got a better chance of winning this weeks Powerball...
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Chosen Daughter on February 19, 2019, 05:36:01 am
@Emjay

The posts in question center around how bad Trump is when he takes a liberal position.  You see, there is a difference between supporting Conservatism and supporting Trump.  I support Conservatism.  You support Trump.  The problem arises when you choose to falsely advance the narrative that the two are the same.  They are not.  So every time you choose to support Trump's liberal position, I will choose to call you on it no matter how hard you try to convince us that supporting Trump's liberal position is somehow really the Conservative position.

Case in point - the deficit.  There is NOTHING Conservative about a $2 trillion deficit.  Yet you insist that we must exhibit Conservatism by supporting Trump's signature on that deficit.  To hell with that.

I refuse to bend.  Conservatism first and foremost.  When Trump chooses to be a Conservative, he will get my support.  And when he chooses to be a liberal, he will get my criticism.  Contrast that with you who supports Trump regardless of whether he chooses to be Conservative or liberal.  But hey, if you want to support Kelo, amnesty, tariffs, and $2 trillion deficits, by all means be my guest.  No one is stopping you.  But please don't lie to the rest of us by calling it 'Conservative'.

 ooophoto :hands:
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: txradioguy on February 19, 2019, 05:37:40 am
@Emjay

The posts in question center around how bad Trump is when he takes a liberal position.  You see, there is a difference between supporting Conservatism and supporting Trump.  I support Conservatism.  You support Trump.  The problem arises when you choose to falsely advance the narrative that the two are the same.  They are not.  So every time you choose to support Trump's liberal position, I will choose to call you on it no matter how hard you try to convince us that supporting Trump's liberal position is somehow really the Conservative position.

Case in point - the deficit.  There is NOTHING Conservative about a $2 trillion deficit.  Yet you insist that we must exhibit Conservatism by supporting Trump's signature on that deficit.  To hell with that.

I refuse to bend.  Conservatism first and foremost.  When Trump chooses to be a Conservative, he will get my support.  And when he chooses to be a liberal, he will get my criticism.  Contrast that with you who supports Trump regardless of whether he chooses to be Conservative or liberal.  But hey, if you want to support Kelo, amnesty, tariffs, and $2 trillion deficits, by all means be my guest.  No one is stopping you.  But please don't lie to the rest of us by calling it 'Conservative'.

Couldn't have said it better myself.   888high58888
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: DCPatriot on February 19, 2019, 10:22:25 am
@Hoodat Please stop with this straw man argument already.  What's left of the conservative "movement" needs its own Council of Trent to figure out who they are in the 21st Century to have any political substance.  Stop wasting time pointing fingers and pretending this isn't true.

One thing I've learned here.

These Briefers who still maintain a viral dislike for Donald Trump are ideologues.  They hang on to the Conservative label because they believe it gives them safe haven here.

These Briefers are selfish narcissists.  Too stupid to see that the entire country is split down the middle.  Too stupid to see that in order to have any power or influence, you must first win an election.

I don't give a shit that Donald Trump isn't a Conservative thoroughbred.   He's close enough in today's America.  And there won't be another one like him...EVER, much to my chagrin.

God sent him.  I truly believe it.  Can you imagine the country today, if Hillary had won?

I can.     8888crybaby
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: DCPatriot on February 19, 2019, 10:24:25 am
I'm not asking anyone to throw in the towel @Cyber Liberty   I'm asking someone to figure out why the label "conservative" is so damn important. 

I'm asking why a "conservative" cannot look at the full achievements and goals of this President and admit the outcomes are and will be more to their liking than those of the last two Republican presidents combined.

Exacty, @Right_in_Virginia   Exactly! 
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: txradioguy on February 19, 2019, 10:46:30 am
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I'm asking why a "conservative" cannot look at the full achievements and goals of this President and admit the outcomes are and will be more to their liking than those of the last two Republican presidents combined.

The problem is..Conservatives have looked at all of that...and we realize that he's no better and no worse than the last two Republican Presidents.

He's certainly not "more Conservative than Reagan" or "the most Conservative President we've ever had".
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: sneakypete on February 19, 2019, 12:02:41 pm
One thing I've learned here.

These Briefers who still maintain a viral dislike for Donald Trump are ideologues.  They hang on to the Conservative label because they believe it gives them safe haven here.

These Briefers are selfish narcissists.  Too stupid to see that the entire country is split down the middle.  Too stupid to see that in order to have any power or influence, you must first win an election.

I don't give a shit that Donald Trump isn't a Conservative thoroughbred.   He's close enough in today's America.  And there won't be another one like him...EVER, much to my chagrin.

 

@DCPatriot

And there you have it.

I bet 90 percent of them voted for Boy Jorge and Poppy Bush "because they are conservatives".  These people need keepers.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: sneakypete on February 19, 2019, 12:04:44 pm
The problem is..Conservatives have looked at all of that...and we realize that he's no better and no worse than the last two Republican Presidents.

He's certainly not "more Conservative than Reagan" or "the most Conservative President we've ever had".

@txradioguy

Maybe,maybe not,but what he IS was the only hope we had of saving America and preserving it to the point where we could hope to have a chance of bringing American back.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: txradioguy on February 19, 2019, 12:07:40 pm
@txradioguy

Maybe,maybe not,but what he IS was the only hope we had of saving America and preserving it to the point where we could hope to have a chance of bringing American back.

No he's not.  'm sick and tired of this "Trump is the Messiah" narrative.

Whenever this country has needed saving...it's been the people that save this nation...not one man.

If you pin your hopes of a better tomorrow on one single individual...you're going to be greatly and continually disappointed in the long run.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: sneakypete on February 19, 2019, 12:11:05 pm
No he's not.  'm sick and tired of this "Trump is the Messiah" narrative.

 

@txradioguy

Not as sick as I am of the loons that think there was anyone else running that even intended to TRY to save America.

And....,unlike Party People,I don't believe in Messiahs.  Unlike Party People,I believe in the power of individuals.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 19, 2019, 12:12:56 pm
Exacty, @Right_in_Virginia   Exactly!

 :beer: @DCPatriot
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: txradioguy on February 19, 2019, 12:13:22 pm
@txradioguy

Not as sick as I am of the loons that think there was anyone else running that even intended to TRY to save America.

There was...but your blind hatred of anyone not named Donald John Trump will never let you see that.

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And....,unlike Party People,I don't believe in Messiahs.  Unlike Party People,I believe in the power of individuals.

Sure Pete.  Sure.  You say that but also talk about Trump being the "savior" of America.  Our "only hope".

Sure sounds like he's your Messiah.  And that makes you a "party person".
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: TomSea on February 19, 2019, 12:23:53 pm
I like the stances on Venezuela and other things, some things I love about the administration. The other side is just evil. I have a few qualms and declaring a state of emergency may not go through, though, it could as well.  I haven't liked the stance on Syria but after 2 months that he announced we would withdraw, not one soldier has left.

I heard some of the rights the president has about building highways, preserving national security through building barriers. This won't sway me against him. He needs to be honest with the American people, an unprecedented coup also has been beneath all American values and our political system.

So, overall, I am rather content with this administration, I think in fact, it has been great.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Sighlass on February 19, 2019, 12:35:40 pm
@Emjay

The posts in question center around how bad Trump is when he takes a liberal position.  You see, there is a difference between supporting Conservatism and supporting Trump.  I support Conservatism.  You support Trump.  The problem arises when you choose to falsely advance the narrative that the two are the same.  They are not.  So every time you choose to support Trump's liberal position, I will choose to call you on it no matter how hard you try to convince us that supporting Trump's liberal position is somehow really the Conservative position.

Case in point - the deficit.  There is NOTHING Conservative about a $2 trillion deficit.  Yet you insist that we must exhibit Conservatism by supporting Trump's signature on that deficit.  To hell with that.

I refuse to bend.  Conservatism first and foremost.  When Trump chooses to be a Conservative, he will get my support.  And when he chooses to be a liberal, he will get my criticism.  Contrast that with you who supports Trump regardless of whether he chooses to be Conservative or liberal.  But hey, if you want to support Kelo, amnesty, tariffs, and $2 trillion deficits, by all means be my guest.  No one is stopping you.  But please don't lie to the rest of us by calling it 'Conservative'.

Thanks Hoodat  :amen:
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Idiot on February 19, 2019, 03:15:48 pm
Thanks Hoodat  :amen:
We are on the downhill slide to socialism.  Trump was just a bump in the road heading towards that end.  Conservatism will just be a footnote in history...sadly.  People who take the view of conservatism or nothing, are going to get nothing.  You'll never see another conservative president...

Sadly this is the truth.....
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Chosen Daughter on February 19, 2019, 03:28:33 pm
We are on the downhill slide to socialism.  Trump was just a bump in the road heading towards that end.  Conservatism will just be a footnote in history...sadly.  People who take the view of conservatism or nothing, are going to get nothing.  You'll never see another conservative president...

Sadly this is the truth.....

Another thing Donald declared.  No socialism but the illegal immigrant problem is mass socialism.  Well Berny Sanders declared his intent today.  We can have socialism with almost all of the candidates or Donald Trump.  Socialism increased alright under Trump.  What do we call the family leave?
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Idiot on February 19, 2019, 03:30:22 pm
Another thing Donald declared.  No socialism but the illegal immigrant problem is mass socialism.  Well Berny Sanders declared his intent today.  We can have socialism with almost all of the candidates or Donald Trump.  Socialism increased alright under Trump.  What do we call the family leave?
You are absolutely correct.  I cringe when I see some of the things Trump does.  I try to focus on the positive.   :laugh:
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Chosen Daughter on February 19, 2019, 03:35:49 pm
You are absolutely correct.  I cringe when I see some of the things Trump does.  I try to focus on the positive.   :laugh:

I want to  :3:
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: aligncare on February 19, 2019, 03:58:27 pm
We are on the downhill slide to socialism.  Trump was just a bump in the road heading towards that end.  Conservatism will just be a footnote in history...sadly.  People who take the view of conservatism or nothing, are going to get nothing.  You'll never see another conservative president...

Sadly this is the truth.....

I got feeling that way this morning, too. It passed, thankfully. (I haven’t seen my first grandchild since his birth. I’m not giving up just yet)
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on February 19, 2019, 04:06:20 pm
Another thing Donald declared.  No socialism but the illegal immigrant problem is mass socialism.  Well Berny Sanders declared his intent today.  We can have socialism with almost all of the candidates or Donald Trump.  Socialism increased alright under Trump.  What do we call the family leave?

@Chosen Daughter

It was a nice sentiment, and the kind of thing that inspires people to applaud.  But it’s not realistic.  I’m sorry, but anyone who thinks this country is going to be magically restored to a time of reason, sanity, and conservative values hasn’t been paying attention.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: jmyrlefuller on February 19, 2019, 04:10:43 pm
We are on the downhill slide to socialism.  Trump was just a bump in the road heading towards that end.  Conservatism will just be a footnote in history...sadly.  People who take the view of conservatism or nothing, are going to get nothing.  You'll never see another conservative president...

Sadly this is the truth.....
The modern generation has decided upon voluntary extinction. Birth rates are down. Suicides are up.

Whether they choose "socialism" or "capitalism" may be a moot point if they choose not to exist.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Idiot on February 19, 2019, 04:13:10 pm
The modern generation has decided upon voluntary extinction. Birth rates are down. Suicides are up.

Whether they choose "socialism" or "capitalism" may be a moot point if they choose not to exist.
Not to worry!  We have immigrants coming in by the thousands to keep the population up.  Can't imagine what they'll vote for....lol.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on February 19, 2019, 04:15:03 pm
No he's not.  'm sick and tired of this "Trump is the Messiah" narrative.

Whenever this country has needed saving...it's been the people that save this nation...not one man.

If you pin your hopes of a better tomorrow on one single individual...you're going to be greatly and continually disappointed in the long run.

@txradioguy

 Exactly.

 My take on it, for what it’s worth, is that people want a king.  It’s in our genes, going all the way back to Old Testament days.  Two hundred years of swimming against that current has been successful in many ways, but not completely.  We still want that strong leader to look up to in awe, to cheer for, and to fix things.

Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Hoodat on February 19, 2019, 04:15:45 pm
One thing I've learned here.  These Briefers who still maintain a viral dislike for Donald Trump  .  .  .

That's just it.  I don't have a viral dislike for Donald Trump.  On the contrary, I actually like the man.  I am amazed at his ability to deflect the usual political criticism and to overcome the loss of many friends and admirers simply because he left the Democrat plantation.  On a personal level, I also greatly admire his unsung charity and compassion that very few even know about.  But then Trump isn't the issue.  Liberalism is.  And when Trump chooses the liberal course, I will not remain silent.  I have criticized Nixon, Reagan, and both Bushes for liberal positions.  Trump is no different.  I have also praised Nixon, Ford, Reagan, and both Bushes for Conservative positions.  Again, Trump is no different.


They hang on to the Conservative label because they believe it gives them safe haven here.

That's hysterical.  You really think I give a damn whether I am allowed to post here or not?  If your "safe haven" claim had any merit, then I would be back at TOS swearing off any hint of being a Conservative before guzzling down a heaping pitcher of McCain-Noot-Trump Kool-Aid just so I could have "safe haven".


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


What an idiotic thing to say!


These Briefers are selfish narcissists.  Too stupid to see that the entire country is split down the middle.  Too stupid to see that in order to have any power or influence, you must first win an election.

Ah, back to the political argument.  It's OK to sell out the country as long as you are able to seize political power.  So tell us, DC.  Now that you have that power and influence, why are you punishing us with $2 trillion annually of new debt?  Why are you continuning to release illegals into this country as they await asylum hearings they will never show up for?  Why aren't you prosecuting a single illegal for violating existing border laws?  Why are you implementing trade policies that are causing reductions in exports?  Because if this is what you do with power, we are no better off than we were with the last group.


I don't give a shit that Donald Trump isn't a Conservative thoroughbred.

That part is obvious.


Can you imagine the country today, if Hillary had won?

Can you imagine the country today if a Conservative had won?  Three vacancies remain unfilled on the 9th Circuit - seats that could right now be critical in getting an emergency wall built.  $4 trillion going directly to entitlements - many of which are being paid out to illegals - that could have been available as investment income for vast wealth creation instead.  A retreat from federal involvement in our health care market beginning with the repeal of Obamacare followed by lifting the prohibition against interstate commerce instead of having ObamaCare stamped permanently into American society as we do now.

But then you have already stated your disdain for Conservatism.  So you should be right at home with a leftist 9th Circuit, deficits greater than Obama's, and stifling federal over-regulation of the health care market.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: jafo2010 on February 19, 2019, 04:19:42 pm
I do not believe conservatism will die unless the USA ends as the nation we know it to be.  Yes, we have more fruitloops running around with limited to no knowledge of anything, but the good news is that studies show 2nd generation Hispanics tend to be conservative.  Their families have come, gotten established, often own businesses and they are conservative.

Trump will most likely win, but he will have a very close election.  Clinton will do far better this time than last in her campaign, and she is a genuine threat.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Hoodat on February 19, 2019, 04:27:18 pm
I do not believe conservatism will die unless the USA ends as the nation we know it to be.  Yes, we have more fruitloops running around with limited to no knowledge of anything, but the good news is that studies show 2nd generation Hispanics tend to be conservative.  Their families have come, gotten established, often own businesses and they are conservative.

You are talking about immigrants who came here bringing the American Dream with them.  Unfortunately, our federal government no longer wants this type of immigrant.  They make it more and more difficult for this type of immigrant to come here and become a responsible productive member of society.  Instead, our federal government attracts the wrong type of immigrant - the immigrant willing to break laws, game the system, and become a leech to society demanding their fair share of 'free stuff'.


STOP GIVING OUT FREE SHIT, AND YOU WILL NO LONGER HAVE A BORDER PROBLEM !!


It really is that simple.  Why in the hell can't we get Trump sycophants here on board with this?
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Bill Cipher on February 19, 2019, 04:30:44 pm
You are talking about immigrants who came here bringing the American Dream with them.  Unfortunately, our federal government no longer wants this type of immigrant.  They make it more and more difficult for this type of immigrant to come here and become a responsible productive member of society.  Instead, our federal government attracts the wrong type of immigrant - the immigrant willing to break laws, game the system, and become a leech to society demanding their fair share of 'free stuff'.


STOP GIVING OUT FREE SHIT, AND YOU WILL NO LONGER HAVE A BORDER PROBLEM !!


It really is that simple.  Why in the hell can't we get Trump sycophants here on board with this?

No, it isn’t really that simple. 
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: jafo2010 on February 19, 2019, 04:49:55 pm
I agree, it is not that simple.  Giving out free sh*t must end, and Congress has failed the American people.  But the frees stuff will not stop the illegal invading aliens.  Can we please cease referring to these illegal invading aliens as immigrants.  They are not immigrants.

My wife was an immigrant, and I paid a couple thousand dollars in form fees to the federal government to process her into this country.  And we waited six years for a person that was a spouse of a USA citizen. 

I fully support the immediate deportation of all illegal aliens and the end of refugee status as it exists today.  Anyone saying we do not have a crisis is an idiot. 

Part of the crisis is abortion however.  We are destroying roughly 1 million lives every year, which I believe is part of the reason that opened the flood gates of illegals pouring into the country.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Emjay on February 19, 2019, 05:25:44 pm
Gaaaaaah.  I wake up to this!  Thank God I don't feel this way.  Ya'll have fun.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 19, 2019, 05:36:56 pm
Gaaaaaah.  I wake up to this!  Thank God I don't feel this way.  Ya'll have fun.

@Emjay

You don't want to know what I woke up to this morning.   888mouth
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Emjay on February 19, 2019, 05:43:50 pm
@Emjay

You don't want to know what I woke up to this morning.   888mouth

Sorry about that @Cyber Liberty  but talk about a bunch of sorry ass whiners you wouldn't want with you in a foxhole, it's dam depressing.

The fact is, that we have some fringe socialists emerging in the democrat party but they are a joke. We had a serious socialist candidate in 2016 and a closet socialist in 2016 and they both lost.

I think we are actually on the way to a stronger way of life in our country.

It's really sad that I see more hope and happiness on my Facebook page than the last bunch of people on a supposed GOP thread could muster.

Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: XenaLee on February 19, 2019, 05:57:29 pm
Another thing Donald declared.  No socialism but the illegal immigrant problem is mass socialism.  Well Berny Sanders declared his intent today.  We can have socialism with almost all of the candidates or Donald Trump.  Socialism increased alright under Trump.  What do we call the family leave?

Family Leave was Ivanka's pet project.  Remember... his whole damned family are DemocRats.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: XenaLee on February 19, 2019, 05:58:31 pm
@Emjay

You don't want to know what I woke up to this morning.   888mouth

I do.  I want to know all the gory details.  What'd I miss?   :whistle:
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Emjay on February 19, 2019, 06:01:32 pm
I do.  I want to know all the gory details.  What'd I miss?   :whistle:

If you missed the last 20 posts on this thread, I'd say you made out fine.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Sanguine on February 19, 2019, 06:10:00 pm
If you missed the last 20 posts on this thread, I'd say you made out fine.

@Emjay, if you give any value to the "I hate Trump, everything he does is beastly, and I'm going to stamp my feet until he's gone" posters, you deserve what you get.  Don't even read it!
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Emjay on February 19, 2019, 06:14:24 pm
@Emjay, if you give any value to the "I hate Trump, everything he does is beastly, and I'm going to stamp my feet until he's gone" posters, you deserve what you get.  Don't even read it!

@Sanguine   You could not be more right.  I wish I hadn't read it, but I came on it unexpectedly when I first got up.

Whatever they say, it all boils down to a kind of two-year old petulance because Trump took their cookies or something.  The man who came the closest to winning, Ted Cruz, immediately manned up and has supported the President and his good programs.

I'm getting less and less tolerant of those people and I think they are ruining this forum

Fortunately, there are some excellent people left, but the idiots and whiners just love to type out their hate.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Sanguine on February 19, 2019, 06:25:37 pm
@Sanguine   You could not be more right.  I wish I hadn't read it, but I came on it unexpectedly when I first got up.

Whatever they say, it all boils down to a kind of two-year old petulance because Trump took their cookies or something.  The man who came the closest to winning, Ted Cruz, immediately manned up and has supported the President and his good programs.

I'm getting less and less tolerant of those people and I think they are ruining this forum

Fortunately, there are some excellent people left, but the idiots and whiners just love to type out their hate.

@Emjay, they don't think they're running the forum; they* respond they way they do because they are very fearful and that comes out as anger.  But, every once in a while they are correct and on that can be valuable. 



* not all, just some.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on February 19, 2019, 06:33:25 pm
@Emjay, if you give any value to the "I hate Trump, everything he does is beastly, and I'm going to stamp my feet until he's gone" posters, you deserve what you get.  Don't even read it!

@Sanguine

Just for my own information, and since I’ve been posting on this thread, do you include me in that group?
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Emjay on February 19, 2019, 06:34:06 pm
@Emjay, they don't think they're running the forum; they* respond they way they do because they are very fearful and that comes out as anger.  But, every once in a while they are correct and on that can be valuable. 



* not all, just some.

Okay @Sanguine   Whatever insight they may contribute too often gets lost in a sea of whimpering, bellyaching and moaning but you're a nicer lady than I am.  Cheers and I'm out of here.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: corbe on February 19, 2019, 06:35:11 pm
   Geez, @Emjay your painting with a broad brush there.  I don't see the 'Hate Trump' here in the magnitude that you do.  Sure there are a few, but most, like me, that dislike the Man for various reasons, are not interested in destroying his Presidency (Pence is worse).  We are merely stating our opinions as people tend to do on Political Forums.  For you to assume we are just 'whiners and haters' is a mischaracterization of what we, as individuals, have come to believe in our Life experiences. 
   Ted Cruz is a Politician NOW and though I believe him to still have the best interest of Texas and her inhabitants in his heart, he realized that boarding the Trump Train was in his best interest and who am I to question that. 
   Have as much patience with me and others here as we do with you.

 :patriot:
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: aligncare on February 19, 2019, 06:36:38 pm
@Sanguine   You could not be more right.  I wish I hadn't read it, but I came on it unexpectedly when I first got up.

Whatever they say, it all boils down to a kind of two-year old petulance because Trump took their cookies or something.  The man who came the closest to winning, Ted Cruz, immediately manned up and has supported the President and his good programs.

I'm getting less and less tolerant of those people and I think they are ruining this forum

Fortunately, there are some excellent people left, but the idiots and whiners just love to type out their hate.

I feel confident I know who Trump is – not the media caricature of him that the NeverTrumpers cling to – but the man he really is. I like that man; his fighting spirit, his tenacity, his boldness. No one can move me off supporting him by citing unsourced media reports. We know they are overwhelmingly biased and agenda driven because 90% of reporters are registered democrats. That’s a fact. We can’t expect truthful reporting from them.

So with each new attack I basically ignore the breathless doom and gloom Left wingers and the NeverTrump critics’ quick rush to judgment here.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: EdJames on February 19, 2019, 06:37:54 pm
@Emjay, they don't think they're running the forum; they* respond they way they do because they are very fearful and that comes out as anger.  But, every once in a while they are correct and on that can be valuable. 



* not all, just some.

I agree, it isn't so bad.  There a couple of AT kooks, a couple of NT kooks, and a couple of pure trolls.  It is pretty easy to just scroll by their posts and chuckle a bit.

The vast majority of folks will give credit to Trump when it is due, and offer criticism when it is warranted.  My only complaint (and that is just my personal preference) is that it doesn't seem that many are willing to just watch how things play out....  wait until the actual decisions are made, laws are voted upon and signed off, etc., before carrying on like the world has ended (or nirvana has been reached).

This is especially hard because Trump is constantly out there, Tweeting stuff, making off-hand comments to the press, etc.  At this point in time I can see that a lot of what he does is trolling...  he delights in getting people all worked up...  I think that he laughs about it almost every day.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: XenaLee on February 19, 2019, 06:40:44 pm
If you missed the last 20 posts on this thread, I'd say you made out fine.

I slept late, opted for Yogi tea vs. strong coffee... and I'm still not awake yet!  So yeah... I missed a lot. 
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Emjay on February 19, 2019, 06:43:07 pm
   Geez, @Emjay your painting with a broad brush there.  I don't see the 'Hate Trump' here in the magnitude that you do.  Sure there are a few, but most, like me, that dislike the Man for various reasons, are not interested in destroying his Presidency (Pence is worse).  We are merely stating our opinions as people tend to do on Political Forums.  For you to assume we are just 'whiners and haters' is a mischaracterization of what we, as individuals, have come to believe in our Life experiences. 
   Ted Cruz is a Politician NOW and though I believe him to still have the best interest of Texas and her inhabitants in his heart, he realized that boarding the Trump Train was in his best interest and who am I to question that. 
   Have as much patience with me and others here as we do with you.

 :patriot:

@corbe   I was gone but then you posted to me.  Ever since you accused me of being mean to fellow posters, and that after you saw for yourself that I was brutally attacked for telling the truth, I've kinda lost faith in your opinions.

Ted Cruz is a statesman.  He did the right thing for the country.  That you can call him a politician in a derisive tone is just plain sad.

I just wish all the Trump haters could bring themselves to do what Ted Cruz did; that is, put the country before self.  However, they are caught up in their own bitter thoughts they think are brilliant.

Right now, I'm not in a tolerant mood.  Catch me later.

And, by the way, I have exactly as much patience for NTers as they have for me.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Sanguine on February 19, 2019, 06:52:26 pm
@Sanguine

Just for my own information, and since I’ve been posting on this thread, do you include me in that group?

No.  You are rational.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Sanguine on February 19, 2019, 06:53:32 pm
I agree, it isn't so bad.  There a couple of AT kooks, a couple of NT kooks, and a couple of pure trolls.  It is pretty easy to just scroll by their posts and chuckle a bit.

The vast majority of folks will give credit to Trump when it is due, and offer criticism when it is warranted.  My only complaint (and that is just my personal preference) is that it doesn't seem that many are willing to just watch how things play out....  wait until the actual decisions are made, laws are voted upon and signed off, etc., before carrying on like the world has ended (or nirvana has been reached).

This is especially hard because Trump is constantly out there, Tweeting stuff, making off-hand comments to the press, etc.  At this point in time I can see that a lot of what he does is trolling...  he delights in getting people all worked up...  I think that he laughs about it almost every day.

 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on February 19, 2019, 06:55:18 pm
No.  You are rational.

@Sanguine

Thank you.  I didn’t think so, but I had to make sure, lol.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Sanguine on February 19, 2019, 06:56:55 pm
@Sanguine

Thank you.  I didn’t think so, but I had to make sure, lol.

Yeah, I may not have worded that comment as well as I should have.  @EdJames did a much better job.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: jafo2010 on February 19, 2019, 07:01:46 pm
Ted Cruz is a statesman?  Not in my book.  A statesman has character, and I do not call what he did to Ben Carson in the Iowa caucus actions of a statesman.  Granted, he is conservative.  But Donald Trump called him Lying Ted, and while Trump is a bit caustic to those that irritate him, I think he nailed Cruz perfectly.

And he did not jump on the Trump train right away.  He was a genuine sh*t at the GOP Convention in 2016, refusing to recognize Trump as the victor of a hard fought race.  He wasn't quite as bad as John Kasich, but I was not impressed by his behavior.

Texas is going from red to perhaps a blue state one day.  Cruz will find it harder to retain his seat with each election in the future.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on February 19, 2019, 07:07:43 pm
Yeah, I may not have worded that comment as well as I should have.  @EdJames did a much better job.

@Sanguine

No harm done.  Yes, @EdJames’ Post was good.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Sanguine on February 19, 2019, 07:11:44 pm
Ted Cruz is a statesman?  Not in my book.  A statesman has character, and I do not call what he did to Ben Carson in the Iowa caucus actions of a statesman.  Granted, he is conservative.  But Donald Trump called him Lying Ted, and while Trump is a bit caustic to those that irritate him, I think he nailed Cruz perfectly.

And he did not jump on the Trump train right away.  He was a genuine sh*t at the GOP Convention in 2016, refusing to recognize Trump as the victor of a hard fought race.  He wasn't quite as bad as John Kasich, but I was not impressed by his behavior.

Texas is going from red to perhaps a blue state one day.  Cruz will find it harder to retain his seat with each election in the future.

You are badly misinformed.  On numerous items.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 19, 2019, 07:12:14 pm
If you missed the last 20 posts on this thread, I'd say you made out fine.

@Emjay

FYI, the Trump War doesn't bother me in the least...I like it because it stimulates good discussion.  As an Admin and Member of the Forum, I really like good discussion, probably even moreso than my friends engaged in it.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: jmyrlefuller on February 19, 2019, 07:15:02 pm
Good God, we're still fighting the same rehashed fights with the same debunked arguments?

Can we please move on already?!
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on February 19, 2019, 07:18:15 pm
Ted Cruz is a statesman?  Not in my book.  A statesman has character, and I do not call what he did to Ben Carson in the Iowa caucus actions of a statesman.  Granted, he is conservative.  But Donald Trump called him Lying Ted, and while Trump is a bit caustic to those that irritate him, I think he nailed Cruz perfectly.

And he did not jump on the Trump train right away.  He was a genuine sh*t at the GOP Convention in 2016, refusing to recognize Trump as the victor of a hard fought race.  He wasn't quite as bad as John Kasich, but I was not impressed by his behavior.

Texas is going from red to perhaps a blue state one day.  Cruz will find it harder to retain his seat with each election in the future.

@jafo2010

“A bit caustic”— well, if that’s the term you want to use for smearing the appearance of a man’s wife, then I guess so.

Anyway, the lie that Cruz tried to damage the Carson campaign was put to rest long ago as just that.  It’s pure BS. 

At the time I got a kick out of his refusal to endorse Trump at the convention.  Remember, he’d just recently gone on a monologue about Trump’s character, so I wouldn’t have expected a 180 so quickly.   But I’m under no illusions—there’s been a lot of time and water under the bridge, and Ted knew he had to back Trump to survive.  They’re all politicians in the end, but Cruz is one of the best we have.  And infinitely better than Kasich.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 19, 2019, 07:19:17 pm
Ted Cruz is a statesman?  Not in my book.  A statesman has character, and I do not call what he did to Ben Carson in the Iowa caucus actions of a statesman.  Granted, he is conservative.  But Donald Trump called him Lying Ted, and while Trump is a bit caustic to those that irritate him, I think he nailed Cruz perfectly.

And he did not jump on the Trump train right away.  He was a genuine sh*t at the GOP Convention in 2016, refusing to recognize Trump as the victor of a hard fought race.  He wasn't quite as bad as John Kasich, but I was not impressed by his behavior.

Texas is going from red to perhaps a blue state one day.  Cruz will find it harder to retain his seat with each election in the future.

Cruz' big crime at the Convention was he said "vote your conscience."  Whenever I see Trump supporters trashing him for that it raises the question:  Why do you think "vote your conscience" equals "don't vote for Trump?"  It's a rather stunning admission to say that a person of good conscience would not vote for Trump.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 19, 2019, 07:20:13 pm
Good God, we're still fighting the same rehashed fights with the same debunked arguments?

Can we please move on already?!

Apparently not.   *****rollingeyes***** *****rollingeyes***** *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Hoodat on February 19, 2019, 07:21:20 pm
Ted Cruz is a statesman?  Not in my book.  A statesman has character, and I do not call what he did to Ben Carson in the Iowa caucus actions of a statesman.

What did Ted Cruz do to Ben Carson?


But Donald Trump called him Lying Ted, and while Trump is a bit caustic to those that irritate him, I think he nailed Cruz perfectly.

What did Ted Cruz lie about?  I've waited 3 years for an answer to that question.  Can you help answer it?


He was a genuine sh*t at the GOP Convention in 2016, refusing to recognize Trump as the victor of a hard fought race.

Nonsense.  Here is the third sentence of his speech:

"I want to congratulate Donald Trump on winning the nomination last night."

The bulk of his speech was about standing up against the Establishment and holding fast to Conservative ideals - something for which the Establishment delegates, Trump's delegates, loudly booed and jeered.  Maybe if Trump had picked his own delegates instead of letting Priebus do it, the speech would have been better received.

You would think that after three years, the lies about Ted Cruz would be put to rest.  But no.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: XenaLee on February 19, 2019, 07:39:45 pm
Cruz' big crime at the Convention was he said "vote your conscience."  Whenever I see Trump supporters trashing him for that it raises the question:  Why do you think "vote your conscience" equals "don't vote for Trump?"  It's a rather stunning admission to say that a person of good conscience would not vote for Trump.

Good catch and excellent point.   One wonders, indeed.... if that is what they are thinking.  Just another disconnect that I/we have observed from that faction.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on February 19, 2019, 07:54:05 pm
Well, @jafo hasn’t responded to anyone here, but I see he’s elsewhere on the forum calling Cruz an “extremist”, so...
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Emjay on February 19, 2019, 07:56:58 pm
Glad I don't have to resort to seeking validation as a poster.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Emjay on February 19, 2019, 08:00:24 pm
@Emjay

FYI, the Trump War doesn't bother me in the least...I like it because it stimulates good discussion.  As an Admin and Member of the Forum, I really like good discussion, probably even moreso than my friends engaged in it.

Good for you.  I might respect it more if it contained any facts, but it's mostly just nitpicking and whining.  I don't think it stimulates good discussion.  It just makes people really mad at each other and, in the current political climate, we should reserve most of our inchoate rage for the democrats.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: DCPatriot on February 19, 2019, 08:13:15 pm
@Emjay

You don't want to know what I woke up to this morning.   888mouth

 :laugh:
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Sanguine on February 19, 2019, 08:26:55 pm
@jafo2010 where did you go?  People have questions for you.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: roamer_1 on February 19, 2019, 08:42:39 pm
I will say it again.

What is it that Tumpy has done that we get to keep?

Not executive orders and red meat for his fans...

What do we truly get to keep when he is done?

Damn little good. And a whole lot of debt.
There's your measure of whether to vote for him again.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: DCPatriot on February 19, 2019, 08:45:33 pm
@Sanguine

Just for my own information, and since I’ve been posting on this thread, do you include me in that group?

As an 'officer' in the Pro-Trump contingent here, I would say 'Not'. 

While your feelings toward the man may be negative to a fault, you tend to find common ground on which to build conversation and familiarity.   For example, for me it was your avatar.  Knew you had great taste (presidents not withstanding)

Good, friendly banter is necessary for forums to succeed.

That's impossible with far too many here, unfortunately. 
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 19, 2019, 08:50:35 pm
:laugh:

 :beer:
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Idiot on February 19, 2019, 08:52:27 pm
I will say it again.

What is it that Tumpy has done that we get to keep?

Not executive orders and red meat for his fans...

What do we truly get to keep when he is done?

Damn little good. And a whole lot of debt.
There's your measure of whether to vote for him again.
2 supreme court justices for one.  Watered down Obamacare so we aren't FORCED to buy it, or choose to go without.  Those are kind of big ones....

And please stop with the Tumpy crap.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: TomSea on February 19, 2019, 08:57:29 pm
Whatever, bringing up the convention, Cruz has been one of Trump's biggest supporters in the Senate...so, hypocrisy really should be seen for what it is, if some folks claim to support Cruz but actually don't support this and this and this that he has done. He's a team player now. Those who use his name for dissent of the President, might be questioned as to whether they are just exploiting the situation and in turn, they would be irrelevant.  From the last time, I saw the calendar, it is 2019 not 2016.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: TomSea on February 19, 2019, 09:03:43 pm
And Cruz said he expected to endorse Trump in 2020 as he did in 2016. So, don't blame me if I in turn quote Cruz. Others are just divisive, they have one little statement and try to make a 3 piece meal out of it.

 *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: sneakypete on February 19, 2019, 09:07:44 pm
There was...but your blind hatred of anyone not named Donald John Trump will never let you see that.

Sure Pete.  Sure.  You say that but also talk about Trump being the "savior" of America.  Our "only hope".

Sure sounds like he's your Messiah.  And that makes you a "party person".


@txradioguy

Ok,bubba. Fair enough. PLEASE copy and paste a post of mine that says that Trump is our "savior".
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on February 19, 2019, 09:13:13 pm
As an 'officer' in the Pro-Trump contingent here, I would say 'Not'. 

While your feelings toward the man may be negative to a fault, you tend to find common ground on which to build conversation and familiarity.   For example, for me it was your avatar.  Knew you had great taste (presidents not withstanding)

Good, friendly banter is necessary for forums to succeed.

That's impossible with far too many here, unfortunately.

@DCPatriot, thank you.  I really appreciate that.  A lot.

I promise you my feelings toward Trump are not completely negative.  It might come off that way because I find some of his supporters ( not you, and not necessarily here) more irritating than the man himself.

That avatar is coming back—or at least a version of it, lol.  I can’t quit him.   :laugh:
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Emjay on February 19, 2019, 09:16:33 pm
As an 'officer' in the Pro-Trump contingent here, I would say 'Not'. 

While your feelings toward the man may be negative to a fault, you tend to find common ground on which to build conversation and familiarity.   For example, for me it was your avatar.  Knew you had great taste (presidents not withstanding)

Good, friendly banter is necessary for forums to succeed.

That's impossible with far too many here, unfortunately.

Don't worry @DCPatriot   I'm not gonna whine for validation so don't brace yourself.

Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: roamer_1 on February 19, 2019, 09:18:17 pm
2 supreme court justices for one.  Watered down Obamacare so we aren't FORCED to buy it, or choose to go without.  Those are kind of big ones....


Yes but no... Two moderate Kennedy-esque judges, and no real relief on insurance costs, as the Obamacare regulations that dictate to insurance companies are still largely in place... No one I know has found insurance costs lowered anywhere near where it used to be.

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And please stop with the Tumpy crap.

I think not. I think he deserves derision to offset the 'Most Conservative President Evah' crap folks are trying to feed us.

Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: DCPatriot on February 19, 2019, 09:22:50 pm
@DCPatriot, thank you.  I really appreciate that.  A lot.

I promise you my feelings toward Trump are not completely negative.  It might come off that way because I find some of his supporters ( not you, and not necessarily here) more irritating than the man himself.

That avatar is coming back—or at least a version of it, lol.  I can’t quit him.   :laugh:

@QueenCatofAragon

 :laugh:  The name of the series escapes me, but it is on my Netflix LIST.  Great casting and story.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: DCPatriot on February 19, 2019, 09:25:56 pm
Don't worry @DCPatriot   I'm not gonna whine for validation so don't brace yourself.

LOL!   I understand certain people's personalities clash beyond hope.  Especially in this format.

Regarding yourself, I can see that to a couple of women in here treat you like the runt of the litter.

Thank God you have some pit bull in you, @Emjay    Love ya!   :beer:
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 19, 2019, 09:33:44 pm
I think not. I think he deserves derision to offset the 'Most Conservative President Evah' crap folks are trying to feed us.

I'm fine with that (it's mild in comparison to other things), as long as it's limited to the man, and is not applied to his many supporters on TBR. 
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: roamer_1 on February 19, 2019, 09:37:24 pm
I'm fine with that (it's mild in comparison to other things), as long as it's limited to the man, and is not applied to his many supporters on TBR.

I am fairly certain there is only one person in my entire life that I have called 'Tumpy the Clown'.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: corbe on February 19, 2019, 09:45:55 pm
   I often criticize his policies because they don't jive with me (Liberal, self serving) and occasionally, depending on my liquor level, I may criticize him, but rarely, if ever, will I criticize his supporters for said policy differences besides I'm out of butt salve, anyway.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: roamer_1 on February 19, 2019, 09:58:15 pm
   I often criticize his policies because they don't jive with me (Liberal, self serving) and occasionally, depending on my liquor level, I may criticize him, but rarely, if ever, will I criticize his supporters for said policy differences besides I'm out of butt salve, anyway.

Quite honestly, I cannot say that I have not insulted his supporters... But that is largely because the standard is a moving goalpost. I can see where 'Trumpanzees' might be considered 'hurtful' (LOL! As if names are such a big thing), but 'Trumpeteers'? 'Orange Brigadiers'? C'mon. That's just folks being butthurt for the sake of butthurt.

So I just speak my mind as best I know how, and try not to be crazy with it. If being unoffensive is the goal, then there will be nothing said worth saying.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: corbe on February 19, 2019, 10:12:04 pm
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: DCPatriot on February 19, 2019, 10:14:48 pm
Quite honestly, I cannot say that I have not insulted his supporters... But that is largely because the standard is a moving goalpost. I can see where 'Trumpanzees' might be considered 'hurtful' (LOL! As if names are such a big thing), but 'Trumpeteers'? 'Orange Brigadiers'? C'mon. That's just folks being butthurt for the sake of butthurt.

So I just speak my mind as best I know how, and try not to be crazy with it. If being unoffensive is the goal, then there will be nothing said worth saying.

@roamer_1

Like I explained to QCOA, when we find ourselves enjoying back and forth when the subject isn't about the Conservative pedigree of Donald Trump, or about a conservative ideology itself... take that opportunity and build on it.

There's not a more thick-headed, tunnel-visioned member among us, than you, @roamer_1  And, like Seinfeld says, "I don't mean that in a bad way!"

Given your everyday environment, it's totally understandable.  It's easy to forget life in the hive with those vistas up the road.
Easy to become unyielding in your opinions living like that in paradise.

Plus, your opinions on religion etc., and the way you express them has made me a huge fan.   :laugh:
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: DCPatriot on February 19, 2019, 10:17:22 pm
Let's all try to build on this.

Won't work with everybody, but it'll be like opening the windows to change the air. 
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Sanguine on February 19, 2019, 10:22:25 pm
Let's all try to build on this.

Won't work with everybody, but it'll be like opening the windows to change the air.

I like it.  I'm in.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: TomSea on February 19, 2019, 10:23:42 pm
Yeah, the anti-trumpers get no credit for being pro-life, they abandoned the unborn, cry me a river, some of us have priorities.  Trump has done as much as possible almost in this area.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: TomSea on February 19, 2019, 10:31:03 pm
   I often criticize his policies because they don't jive with me (Liberal, self serving) and occasionally, depending on my liquor level, I may criticize him, but rarely, if ever, will I criticize his supporters for said policy differences besides I'm out of butt salve, anyway.

Trump's done a lot of pro-life things actually, if you agree with that cause and not Trump, you should do something to make it up, like chain yourself to an abortion clinic's doors.

@corbe
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: roamer_1 on February 19, 2019, 10:34:45 pm
Like I explained to QCOA, when we find ourselves enjoying back and forth when the subject isn't about the Conservative pedigree of Donald Trump, or about a conservative ideology itself... take that opportunity and build on it.

I do that plenty, @DCPatriot ... In fact on balance, I would say I probably participate off the topic of Tumpy the Clown than I do on it. I don't know if that is altogether true, if one measures per post, because I am likely to go on a tear where Conservatism is concerned, and the topic of Tumpy the Clown and Conservatism often coincide in the worst way possible - But per subject, I would wager I am right to claim it.

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There's not a more thick-headed, tunnel-visioned member among us, than you, @roamer_1  And, like Seinfeld says, "I don't mean that in a bad way!"

There is nothing thickheaded about it. I defend timeless truths. There ain't no two ways of looking at it. Either what we stand for is true, or it is not worth being here. I will not suffer fools who try to change those truths. Ever.

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Given your everyday environment, it's totally understandable.  It's easy to forget life in the hive with those vistas up the road.
Easy to become unyielding in your opinions living like that in paradise.

Truth is still truth, no matter where you are, DC. Perhaps I just enjoy a perspective that being in the hive removes. If so then I shall be all the more strident in beating it back into your fool heads.  :laugh:

maybe all y'all would better see reason if you went out and built a campfire now and then...

Quote
Plus, your opinions on religion etc., and the way you express them has made me a huge fan.   :laugh:

Thanks for that.
 :beer:
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Hoodat on February 20, 2019, 12:23:52 am
I will say it again.

What is it that Tumpy has done that we get to keep

$4 trillion in new debt?  New tariffs on US exports?  More illegals getting free Obamacare?
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: txradioguy on February 20, 2019, 12:25:55 am
Apparently not.   *****rollingeyes***** *****rollingeyes***** *****rollingeyes*****

Some people won’t be happy until the other side is destroyed.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: txradioguy on February 20, 2019, 12:28:20 am
Trump's done a lot of pro-life things actually, if you agree with that cause and not Trump, you should do something to make it up, like chain yourself to an abortion clinic's doors.

@corbe

How is continuing to fund Planned Parenthood “conservative?”
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: txradioguy on February 20, 2019, 12:32:21 am
@txradioguy

Maybe,maybe not,but what he IS was the only hope we had of saving America and preserving it to the point where we could hope to have a chance of bringing American back.

@sneakypete you wanted me to quote you where you said Trump is our savior...here you go.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Hoodat on February 20, 2019, 12:38:34 am
Let's all try to build on this.

Won't work with everybody, but it'll be like opening the windows to change the air.

I had thought that we had done that already.  Yet no matter how hard we try to steer Trump to the right while praising his judicial picks and cheering the government shutdown, we still get labeled as NTers and blamed for the Dem takeover of the House.  And just today, we see a repeat of the completely false campaign rhetoric of 2015-2016.  You know, the despicable thing that Lyin' Ted did to Ben Carson.  I for one am sick of it.  For once, I would like to see a Trump supporter own up to it and openly admit that Ted never lied, and that he never did anything to Ben Carson, that he gave a great speech at the Convention, and that it was the GOP Establishment that heckled and booed him.  For once, I would like to see a Trump supporter tell the truth.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: txradioguy on February 20, 2019, 12:40:20 am
I had thought that we had done that already.  Yet no matter how hard we try to steer Trump to the right while praising his judicial picks and cheering the government shutdown, we still get labeled as NTers and blamed for the Dem takeover of the House.  And just today, we see a repeat of the completely false campaign rhetoric of 2015-2016.  You know, the despicable thing that Lyin' Ted did to Ben Carson.  I for one am sick of it.  For once, I would like to see a Trump supporter own up to it and openly admit that Ted never lied, and that he never did anything to Ben Carson, that he gave a great speech at the Convention, and that it was the GOP Establishment that heckled and booed him.  For once, I would like to see a Trump supporter tell the truth.

:amen:
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Hoodat on February 20, 2019, 12:46:17 am
How is continuing to fund Planned Parenthood “conservative?”

It would be really nice to have a President with the balls to tell Planned Parenthood to pound sand when they came around asking for their $500 million check from the US taxpayers.  And at the end of the fiscal year telling Congress that there was a half a billion left over in the HHS budget and not to appropriate as much the following year.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: txradioguy on February 20, 2019, 12:57:06 am
It would be really nice to have a President with the balls to tell Planned Parenthood to pound sand when they came around asking for their $500 million check from the US taxpayers.  And at the end of the fiscal year telling Congress that there was a half a billion left over in the HHS budget and not to appropriate as much the following year.

Now THAT would be the move a true pro life president would make.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 20, 2019, 01:10:53 am
It would be really nice to have a President with the balls to tell Planned Parenthood to pound sand when they came around asking for their $500 million check from the US taxpayers. 

So you want a king?
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: corbe on February 20, 2019, 01:14:02 am
 :pop41:
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: libertybele on February 20, 2019, 01:18:17 am
I had thought that we had done that already.  Yet no matter how hard we try to steer Trump to the right while praising his judicial picks and cheering the government shutdown, we still get labeled as NTers and blamed for the Dem takeover of the House.  And just today, we see a repeat of the completely false campaign rhetoric of 2015-2016.  You know, the despicable thing that Lyin' Ted did to Ben Carson.  I for one am sick of it.  For once, I would like to see a Trump supporter own up to it and openly admit that Ted never lied, and that he never did anything to Ben Carson, that he gave a great speech at the Convention, and that it was the GOP Establishment that heckled and booed him.  For once, I would like to see a Trump supporter tell the truth.

 blij26   We came so close to seating a true conservative.   :patriot:
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: edpc on February 20, 2019, 01:28:49 am
So you want a king?


Sounds more like a wish for a line item veto, but that is unconstitutional.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Emjay on February 20, 2019, 01:28:53 am
I don't see much productive or even worthy of discussion in 3/4 of the posts on this thread.

I think the NTers are well on the way to ruining the forum.

I understand why the mods want to keep them around but I don't.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Hoodat on February 20, 2019, 01:29:55 am
So you want a king?

I want a President who understands his power and the limits to that power under the Constitution of the United States of America.  Clearly, you want a President who cowers to the will of the Legislative Branch which you can then use as a political excuse for inaction.

It's why they call it the Executive Branch.  It is the Branch that holds the power to Execute the law.  It is why you don't get a ticket when passing a cop while driving 5 mph over the speed limit.  It is up to the discretion of the executive branch official (i.e. the cop) whether or not to enforce the law.

I would think that someone in the Commonwealth of Virginia would know this since Civics was crammed down our throats from 4th grade onward.  What state are you really from?
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: txradioguy on February 20, 2019, 01:34:33 am
I don't see much productive or even worthy of discussion in 3/4 of the posts on this thread.

I think the NTers are well on the way to ruining the forum.

I understand why the mods want to keep them around but I don't.

And yet you posted in here with the express intent of stirring the pot.

No one is begging you to stay. I’m sure the echo chamber that is Free Republic is more to your liking. No thought is required to post there.

Just sayin...


Victim card deployment in 4...3...2...
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: libertybele on February 20, 2019, 01:36:55 am
And yet you posted in here with the express stirring the pot.

No one is begging you to stay. I’m sure the echo chamber that is Free Republic is more to your liking. No thought is required to post there.

Just sayin...


Victim card deployment in 4...3...2...



Exactly!!
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Hoodat on February 20, 2019, 01:37:10 am
I think the NTers are well on the way to ruining the forum.

Who exactly are these NTers you speak of?
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Hoodat on February 20, 2019, 01:40:46 am

Sounds more like a wish for a line item veto, but that is unconstitutional.

A line item veto would be nice.  But that would require two-thirds of both houses plus 38 state legislatures.  Not likely to see that ever.  Democrats would never support it.  And Republicans will never control two-thirds of either house.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Wingnut on February 20, 2019, 01:46:50 am
Who exactly are these NTers you speak of?

No one ever calls out the NTer.    1st rule of TBR.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Sanguine on February 20, 2019, 01:49:05 am
No one ever calls out the NTer.    1st rule of TBR.

Bullshit.  They get called out all the time.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Wingnut on February 20, 2019, 01:51:45 am
Bullshit.  They get called out all the time.

Keep telling yourself that.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Hoodat on February 20, 2019, 01:52:02 am
No one ever calls out the NTer.    1st rule of TBR.

How convenient.  Blame everything on some NT boogeyman without ever having to be accountable for it.  Sounds like something Democrats do.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Chosen Daughter on February 20, 2019, 01:53:24 am
Now THAT would be the move a true pro life president would make.

He would have to deny them by not signing the bill that shower them with cash.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: roamer_1 on February 20, 2019, 01:53:35 am
And Republicans will never control two-thirds of either house.

They would if they meant it.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: edpc on February 20, 2019, 01:56:01 am
I don't see much productive or even worthy of discussion in 3/4 of the posts on this thread.

I think the NTers are well on the way to ruining the forum.

I understand why the mods want to keep them around but I don't.


I’m pretty sure your incessant pissing and moaning about them takes up more bandwidth than all of the NTs combined.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: goodwithagun on February 20, 2019, 01:57:53 am
No one ever calls out the NTer.    1st rule of TBR.

I thought the first rule was never talk about the fight club.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: txradioguy on February 20, 2019, 02:01:03 am

I’m pretty sure your incessant pissing and moaning about them takes up more bandwidth than all of the NTs combined.

@edpc

It would appear that the gang of hate have decided that’s their strategy for the week.

Disrupt any threads mentioning Trump with the vacuously offensive NT crap then stir the pot so that any meaningful discussion of the OP goes up in flames.

Not the first time certain people here have deployed that tactic either.

The only difference each time is who gets to be the designated bomb thrower...metaphorically speaking.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Chosen Daughter on February 20, 2019, 02:06:24 am
@txradioguy

 Exactly.

 My take on it, for what it’s worth, is that people want a king.  It’s in our genes, going all the way back to Old Testament days.  Two hundred years of swimming against that current has been successful in many ways, but not completely.  We still want that strong leader to look up to in awe, to cheer for, and to fix things.

(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQZK2T4hH-Wa4-OhSFnR2YBnAX6kEGd5SCcEixQDrtzJizBvhP7Mg)

Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 20, 2019, 02:14:12 am
I want a President who understands his power and the limits to that power under the Constitution of the United States of America. 

Then why, @Hoodat , do you want a President who in service to your whims will ignore laws passed by Congress?

Exhibit A:

It would be really nice to have a President with the balls to tell Planned Parenthood to pound sand when they came around asking for their $500 million check from the US taxpayers. 





Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: jmyrlefuller on February 20, 2019, 02:23:37 am
Then why, @Hoodat , do you want a President who in service to your whims will ignore laws passed by Congress?

Exhibit A:
It can't pass Congress without his signature... or a 2/3 override, one of the two.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Hoodat on February 20, 2019, 02:48:24 am
Then why, @Hoodat , do you want a President who in service to your whims will ignore laws passed by Congress?

Because that is how our Founding Fathers set it up.  If I am driving along the Interstate and happen to be doing 70 mph as I pass a 65 mph speed limit sign, I want to enjoy the grace that the Executive Branch is willing to afford me even though the Legislature deems that I have violated their law.  Likewise, a President also has the discretion to enforce a law as he sees fit so that when Congress legislates that SUVs are no longer allowed on Interstate highways, the President devotes zero resources to enforce it.

I want a President who will carry out his Executive duties in service to a nation and its people within the limits of the Constitution.  And there is nothing there which says his power is solely confined to whatever Congress orders him to do.

It is a simple concept called 'Separation of Powers'.  It is the genius invention of our Founding Fathers, chief among them fellow Virginian James Madison who understood checks and balances.  The Executive branch has a check against the power of the Legislative branch in that the Executive is charged with enforcement of the law.  Again, any high school student throughout the Commonwealth is intimately familiar with this concept.  But not you.  Why is that?

I didn't vote for taxpayer dollars to be spent on funding abortion.  I voted for a President to stop it.  But you obviously don't want that.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: edpc on February 20, 2019, 02:53:18 am
Because that is how our Founding Fathers set it up.  If I am driving along the Interstate and happen to be doing 70 mph as I pass a 65 mph speed limit sign, I want to enjoy the grace that the Executive Branch is willing to afford me even though the Legislature deems that I have violated their law.  Likewise, a President also has the discretion to enforce a law as he sees fit so that when Congress legislates that SUVs are no longer allowed on Interstate highways, the President devotes zero resources to enforce it.

I want a President who will carry out his Executive duties in service to a nation and its people within the limits of the Constitution.  And there is nothing there which says his power is solely confined to whatever Congress orders him to do.

It is a simple concept called 'Separation of Powers'.  It is the genius invention of our Founding Fathers, chief among them fellow Virginian James Madison who understood checks and balances.  The Executive branch has a check against the power of the Legislative branch in that the Executive is charged with enforcement of the law.  Again, any high school student throughout the Commonwealth is intimately familiar with this concept.  But not you.  Why is that?

I didn't vote for taxpayer dollars to be spent on funding abortion.  I voted for a President to stop it.  But you obviously don't want that.


I get where you’re coming from, but we had this problem and complained about it, under the previous admin. So, we ought to be consistent.


Other Republicans have made similar arguments since the employer mandate was delayed. Earlier this month, Rep. John Fleming (R-La.) made similar arguments, and said Obama's picking and choosing which laws to enforce "makes him a ruler, not a president."

https://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/312279-lawmaker-says-obamas-selective-enforcement-of-laws-demeaning-to-our-democracy (https://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/312279-lawmaker-says-obamas-selective-enforcement-of-laws-demeaning-to-our-democracy)

https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/01/obama-administration-voter-fraud-law-selective-enforcement/ (https://www.nationalreview.com/2017/01/obama-administration-voter-fraud-law-selective-enforcement/)

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/conncarroll/2014/07/07/obama-could-end-the-border-crisis-tomorrow-if-he-wanted-n1859531 (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/conncarroll/2014/07/07/obama-could-end-the-border-crisis-tomorrow-if-he-wanted-n1859531)
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Hoodat on February 20, 2019, 03:02:48 am
I get where you’re coming from, but we had this problem and complained about it, under the previous admin. So, we ought to be consistent.

I side with the President no matter what party.  In the case above, it was the law (i.e. the act of Congress) that was bad, not the President's decision not to enforce it.  At the time, the GOP was making a political point, not a Constitutional one.

It all comes down to checks and balances.  And the check the Executive has over the Legislative is that the Legislative must rely on the Executive to enforce the law.  If Congress doesn't like the way the Executive Branch enforces the law, then they can eliminate funding for White House HVAC in the next fiscal year.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: sneakypete on February 20, 2019, 03:03:55 am
@sneakypete you wanted me to quote you where you said Trump is our savior...here you go.

@txradioguy

Nice try,but no seegar. "Savior" implies a religious figure,and I am not superstitious.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: sneakypete on February 20, 2019, 03:07:54 am

 For once, I would like to see a Trump supporter own up to it and openly admit that Ted never lied, and that he never did anything to Ben Carson, that he gave a great speech at the Convention, and that it was the GOP Establishment that heckled and booed him.  For once, I would like to see a Trump supporter tell the truth.


@Hoodat

Cruz ain't GOP establishment?????

Granted,he ain't a Bush or a Dolt,but he is about as close to an establishment Republican as you can find these days. Yeah,Mittens might argue about that,but who the hell cares what he has to say about anything?
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Applewood on February 20, 2019, 03:08:41 am
@txradioguy

Nice try,but no seegar. "Savior" implies a religious figure,and I am not superstitious.

Not necessarily religious.

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savior noun
sav·​ior | \ ˈsāv-yər also -ˌyȯr

   
\
variants: or saviour
Definition of savior
1
: one that saves from danger or destruction
2
: one who brings salvation
specifically, capitalized : jesus sense 1

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/savior (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/savior)

Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: txradioguy on February 20, 2019, 03:09:29 am
@txradioguy

Nice try,but no seegar. "Savior" implies a religious figure,and I am not superstitious.

You said it. If you want to pick nits because the exact word isn’t there as your way to weasel out of what you said and implied that’s on you.

But clearly you think he’s the savior of the country. Your religion is Trump Populism.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: txradioguy on February 20, 2019, 03:10:39 am
Not necessarily religious.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/savior (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/savior)

 888high58888
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: sneakypete on February 20, 2019, 03:10:40 am
Not necessarily religious.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/savior (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/savior)

@Applewood

That was the ONLY definition when I was growing up.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: TomSea on February 20, 2019, 03:11:41 am
@Hoodat

Cruz ain't GOP establishment?????

Granted,he ain't a Bush or a Dolt,but he is about as close to an establishment Republican as you can find these days. Yeah,Mittens might argue about that,but who the hell cares what he has to say about anything?

Cruz endorsed Romney, so yes, it was when Cruz first ran for Senator, one can argue he needed to go along to get along but the fact remains.

@sneakypete
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: sneakypete on February 20, 2019, 03:13:53 am
You said it. If you want to pick nits because the exact word isn’t there as your way to weasel out of what you said and implied that’s on you.

But clearly you think he’s the savior of the country. Your religion is Trump Populism.

@txradioguy

You are full of Bush,bubba! While I do have more respect for Trump than I do some fictional Holy Ghost,I also have more respect for a dead dog laying in a ditch. At least the dog was real.

Do NOT try to inflict your insanity on me.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Hoodat on February 20, 2019, 03:17:19 am
@Hoodat

Cruz ain't GOP establishment?????

Granted,he ain't a Bush or a Dolt,but he is about as close to an establishment Republican as you can find these days. Yeah,Mittens might argue about that,but who the hell cares what he has to say about anything?

If Cruz was GOP Establishment, then he wouldn't have gotten booed at the Convention by a bunch of Establishment delegates.  But let me know if you ever hear Donald Trump call McConnell a liar to his face.  Ted Cruz sure did.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: sneakypete on February 20, 2019, 03:18:56 am
Cruz endorsed Romney, so yes, it was when Cruz first ran for Senator, one can argue he needed to go along to get along but the fact remains.

@sneakypete

@TomSea

I had forgotten about that,but everybody occasionally makes a mistake,and he does seem to have learned from that one.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Hoodat on February 20, 2019, 03:20:09 am
Cruz endorsed Romney, so yes, it was when Cruz first ran for Senator, one can argue he needed to go along to get along but the fact remains.

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wepQa4gC5Yw#)
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: corbe on February 20, 2019, 03:21:09 am
   At least Ted didn't donate to hellary, schumer and all those NY Liberal freaks who, IMHO, are much worse than Mitt and he's pretty bad!  @TomSea
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Applewood on February 20, 2019, 03:24:53 am
@Applewood

That was the ONLY definition when I was growing up.

I think both definitions have been around for years. 

For non-religious purposes, the word is not capitalized (savior).  Christians capitalize Savior when talking about Jesus Christ.


Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: roamer_1 on February 20, 2019, 03:27:35 am
I think both definitions have been around for years. 

For non-religious purposes, the word is not capitalized (savior).  Christians capitalize Savior when talking about Jesus Christ.

That's right.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: TomSea on February 20, 2019, 03:28:56 am
   At least Ted didn't donate to hellary, schumer and all those NY Liberal freaks who, IMHO, are much worse than Mitt and he's pretty bad!  @TomSea

Defeating ISIS, more work needs to be done on that and so on.  We recognize the capitol is in Jerusalem, the good things this administration has done goes on and on. Respecting and preserving religious liberty and backing it up with initiatives.  Bringing North Korea to the negotiating table. I wince if the Democrats ever get back in the White House.

@corbe
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Chosen Daughter on February 20, 2019, 03:29:59 am
   At least Ted didn't donate to hellary, schumer and all those NY Liberal freaks who, IMHO, are much worse than Mitt and he's pretty bad!  @TomSea

 888high58888
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 20, 2019, 03:32:28 am
Because that is how our Founding Fathers set it up. ...  a President also has the discretion to enforce a law as he sees fit

Seriously?  The Founding Fathers established a Constitution giving one man the power to ignore a duly passed law and change others on a whim ... rendering both the Congress and the Judiciary pointless? 

You're saying our Founders established a Constitution to create a king?

Seriously?
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: corbe on February 20, 2019, 03:39:06 am
   @TomSea we will just have to agree to disagree on the amount of progress thus far made in this Administration.  It's like arguing with @Emjay lately, I love ya both, but nothing good comes of it.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: TomSea on February 20, 2019, 03:45:44 am
   @TomSea we will just have to agree to disagree on the amount of progress thus far made in this Administration.  It's like arguing with @Emjay lately, I love ya both, but nothing good comes of it.

I voted for Bush twice, we got the whole area over there, it wasn't fun. Even some people like McCain now, admitted it was a mistake.

Trump's doing really well in comparison to the 2 previous presidents.

This immigration thing, just looked at this. We will see. Agian, the Limbaugh article.

https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2019/02/19/the-budget-bill-will-be-used-against-trump-in-2020/ (https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2019/02/19/the-budget-bill-will-be-used-against-trump-in-2020/)
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Hoodat on February 20, 2019, 04:06:44 am
Seriously?  The Founding Fathers established a Constitution giving one man the power to ignore a duly passed law and change others on a whim ... rendering both the Congress and the Judiciary pointless? 

Uh, no.  That is not at all what I said.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: TomSea on February 20, 2019, 04:10:52 am
   @TomSea we will just have to agree to disagree on the amount of progress thus far made in this Administration.  It's like arguing with @Emjay lately, I love ya both, but nothing good comes of it.

Everyone is different. For myself, I don't care to see people getting their heads cut off by terrorists but that's just me. If one is a fan of Obama and Bush, so be it.  @corbe
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 20, 2019, 04:12:32 am
Everyone is different. For myself, I don't care to see people getting their heads cut off by terrorists but that's just me. If one is a fan of Obama and Bush, so be it.  @corbe

Who's a fan of Obastard?
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: IsailedawayfromFR on February 20, 2019, 04:15:20 am
Seriously?  The Founding Fathers established a Constitution giving one man the power to ignore a duly passed law and change others on a whim ... rendering both the Congress and the Judiciary pointless? 

You're saying our Founders established a Constitution to create a king?

Seriously?
That is a distortion of what he said.

Laws are passed by Congress and Executive is charged with enforcing them.

That is what he said.

Seems you are just simply picking fights.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: corbe on February 20, 2019, 04:20:24 am
   Sure @TomSea the prevention of lopping off more heads is important to me also equally important is the US Abortion industry killing a million unborn each year which our President hasn't done squat about in spite of yours and other the protestations here, but all that doesn't rank as high on my list as this insane spending.   
   Good thing he gave us the judges, less regulation and increased Military spending.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Sanguine on February 20, 2019, 04:20:56 am
Who's a fan of Obastard?

And, who here likes to see heads cut off?
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: TomSea on February 20, 2019, 04:21:37 am
That is a distortion of what he said.

Laws are passed by Congress and Executive is charged with enforcing them.

That is what he said.

Seems you are just simply picking fights.

 goopo

I like RIV,  I don't think she has been especially civil with me. Maybe others feel the same way. I don't say this to speak negatively of anyone. Maybe one doesn't realize how they are acting and they need to lighten up.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: TomSea on February 20, 2019, 04:30:31 am
   Sure @TomSea the prevention of lopping off more heads is important to me also equally important is the US Abortion industry killing a million unborn each year which our President hasn't done squat about in spite of yours and other the protestations here, but all that doesn't rank as high on my list as this insane spending.   
   Good thing he gave us the judges, less regulation and increased Military spending.

@corbe

I will take the words of Concerned Women of America, the Susan B. Anthony list and others.  If you don't think he's done anything, that's a bias,

Quote
Pro-lifers are evaluating Trump, too.  Their verdict so far?  He perhaps overreached in his campaign promises (what politician hasn’t?), but “The Donald” is the most pro-life, pro-marriage, and pro-family president in the history of the republic.

“President Trump has been the most pro-life president in modern history,” Concerned Women for America’s Penny Nance flatly told Breitbart News.

Even “Never Trumpers,” like Susan B. Anthony List’s Marjorie Dannenfelser, have come around after the fearless chief executive’s repeated --almost incessant, to the consternation of pro-abortionists-- pro-life appointments, constitutionalist nominations, and religious freedom executive orders. 

https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/trump-the-most-pro-life-president-in-history (https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/trump-the-most-pro-life-president-in-history)

I'll take the words of pro-life leaders, not yours without some backup. I come across a lot of people who really don't know what the pro-life movement is about, read pro-life websites daily and do other things.

So, again, one can say we agree to disagree, but I've got data on my side and virtually every pro-lifer acknowledges some progress.

@corbe

Just like the Bush/Obama quagmires in the Middle East, Trump has done a stellar job, no Libyas, no Iraqs started, I just hope we stay in Syria and see things done. Christians very existence in the ME threatened under the previous 2 presidents.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on February 20, 2019, 04:48:12 am
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQZK2T4hH-Wa4-OhSFnR2YBnAX6kEGd5SCcEixQDrtzJizBvhP7Mg)

What’s that!?

@Chosen Daughter
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on February 20, 2019, 04:50:52 am
@QueenCatofAragon

 :laugh:  The name of the series escapes me, but it is on my Netflix LIST.  Great casting and story.

@DCPatriot

Oh I thought you meant TURN—are you talking about Vikings?  It’s one of the best series I’ve ever watched.  You’re in for a treat.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: DCPatriot on February 20, 2019, 04:54:39 am
@DCPatriot

Oh I thought you meant TURN—are you talking about Vikings?  It’s one of the best series I’ve ever watched.  You’re in for a treat.

I meant TURN, but I've already watched Vikings.  Excellent!

Loved Knightfall too!   The Outlaw King.  All good.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: corbe on February 20, 2019, 04:54:47 am
   @TomSea answer me this simple question, please, Is PP getting the same amount of funding as they did under the 8 tears of obummer?  I think they are and if you say they ain't I won't question that because I'm too drunk/stoned to look up the links and will give you this one, this time.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on February 20, 2019, 05:28:29 am
Trump's done a lot of pro-life things actually, if you agree with that cause and not Trump, you should do something to make it up, like chain yourself to an abortion clinic's doors.

@corbe

You know, @TomSea, maybe to avoid hypocrisy you should kind of slow your roll
trying to stifle “dissent” against Trump, as you put it.   I remember how you tore into Trump on Twitter when he announced the pullout from Syria.  His admistration is amateur hour, he lost a lot of his base’s support, he’s a one-term president, etc.  You tweeted to JEB BUSH that Trump humiliated Mattis & Tom Cotton might be good to run against him because he didn’t have a bone spur deferment!  So...stop, lol.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Emjay on February 20, 2019, 05:29:01 am
   @TomSea we will just have to agree to disagree on the amount of progress thus far made in this Administration.  It's like arguing with @Emjay lately, I love ya both, but nothing good comes of it.

@corbe Do me a big favor, sweetie and don't ping me to this thread again.  It smells up the room.

But if any of the NTers around here manages to attain and IQ of 100, let me know and I'll be happy to discuss.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: corbe on February 20, 2019, 05:32:00 am
   It is so good to see you again @Emjay
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on February 20, 2019, 05:33:55 am
I meant TURN, but I've already watched Vikings.  Excellent!

Loved Knightfall too!   The Outlaw King.  All good.

@DCPatriot

Knightfall is one I meant to watch but forgot about.  Both of those are going on the list.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: LegalAmerican on February 20, 2019, 06:30:14 am
What’s that!?

@Chosen Daughter

That looks like some phony baloney. That candle holder is supposed to be a menorah? I am not Jewish, but I think it has 8 candles, this one has 7.

 Yes, what is that?   
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: txradioguy on February 20, 2019, 06:59:22 am
You know, @TomSea, maybe to avoid hypocrisy you should kind of slow your roll
trying to stifle “dissent” against Trump, as you put it.   I remember how you tore into Trump on Twitter when he announced the pullout from Syria.  His admistration is amateur hour, he lost a lot of his base’s support, he’s a one-term president, etc.  You tweeted to JEB BUSH that Trump humiliated Mattis & Tom Cotton might be good to run against him because he didn’t have a bone spur deferment!  So...stop, lol.

Well now... :2popcorn:
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: roamer_1 on February 20, 2019, 07:12:47 am
That looks like some phony baloney. That candle holder is supposed to be a menorah? I am not Jewish, but I think it has 8 candles, this one has 7.

 Yes, what is that?

No, you re not. 7 or 9 take your pick.

THE Menorah is 7... The Hanukah Menorah is 9... There are no others.

And the coin is not a fake. It is a commemorative  Israeli shekel.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: wolfcreek on February 20, 2019, 12:40:57 pm
I'll be voting for Trump/Pence. The difference is more clear than ever.

"America will never be a Socialist country!"
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: DCPatriot on February 20, 2019, 02:00:40 pm
I'll be voting for Trump/Pence. The difference is more clear than ever.

"America will never be a Socialist country!"

 :beer:
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: aligncare on February 20, 2019, 02:10:04 pm
I'll be voting for Trump/Pence. The difference is more clear than ever.

"America will never be a Socialist country!"

And that difference, along with President Trump’s handling of the economy, and his determination to fix our broken border security, is what will get him reelected. And thank God for that.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on February 20, 2019, 02:47:49 pm
Well now... :2popcorn:

@txradioguy

As Humblegunner would say, “true story.”  🤷‍♀️
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: musiclady on February 20, 2019, 02:55:16 pm
@corbe Do me a big favor, sweetie and don't ping me to this thread again.  It smells up the room.

But if any of the NTers around here manages to attain and IQ of 100, let me know and I'll be happy to discuss.

These are the kinds of comments intended, not for discussion, but for smearing a highly intelligent group of people with whom you happen to disagree about Trump, that make your incessant whining about being picked on so vacuous, @Emjay.

(FWIW, my IQ qualifies me for Mensa, and, though I agree with some of what Trump has done,  you would put me squarely in your "stupid NT" category).

There's no way to 'get along' with someone like you, "sweetie" when you create odors on threads such as this post does.  Go back to your resolution to be nicer.  You've clearly lost your resolve.........  *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 20, 2019, 03:00:39 pm
@txradioguy

As Humblegunner would say, “true story.”  🤷‍♀️

I miss old gunny.  I have him on my Bookface, but he's in Bookface Jail so much I hardly see him anymore.  :shrug:  Lavender Mafia.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Chosen Daughter on February 20, 2019, 03:20:38 pm
What’s that!?

@Chosen Daughter

That is a real coin that Israeli's minted with Trump and King Cyrus.  Its a Temple Tax coin.  Its real in every way.  They literally were comparing him to King Cyrus.  In appreciation of moving the Embassy to Jerusalem.  The preparations for Third Temple are also very real.  Sanhedrin is operating and restoring temple traditions and rituals.

They are selling them.  I got that picture on google images and there are plenty for sale.  $70.00 for the Temple?
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: txradioguy on February 20, 2019, 03:24:12 pm
These are the kinds of comments intended, not for discussion, but for smearing a highly intelligent group of people with whom you happen to disagree about Trump, that make your incessant whining about being picked on so vacuous, @Emjay.

(FWIW, my IQ qualifies me for Mensa, and, though I agree with some of what Trump has done,  you would put me squarely in your "stupid NT" category).

There's no way to 'get along' with someone like you, "sweetie" when you create odors on threads such as this post does.  Go back to your resolution to be nicer.  You've clearly lost your resolve.........  *****rollingeyes*****


 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Chosen Daughter on February 20, 2019, 03:24:35 pm
:beer:

LOL, as Ivanka is working tirelessly to find new social programs that Americans can pay for.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Chosen Daughter on February 20, 2019, 03:29:52 pm
That looks like some phony baloney. That candle holder is supposed to be a menorah? I am not Jewish, but I think it has 8 candles, this one has 7.

 Yes, what is that?

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/33463/Default.aspx (http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/tabid/178/nid/33463/Default.aspx)

https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/102784/sanhedrin-temple-movement-issue-silver-half-shekel-images-trump-cyrus/ (https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/102784/sanhedrin-temple-movement-issue-silver-half-shekel-images-trump-cyrus/)
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: libertybele on February 20, 2019, 05:09:06 pm
These are the kinds of comments intended, not for discussion, but for smearing a highly intelligent group of people with whom you happen to disagree about Trump, that make your incessant whining about being picked on so vacuous, @Emjay.

(FWIW, my IQ qualifies me for Mensa, and, though I agree with some of what Trump has done,  you would put me squarely in your "stupid NT" category).

There's no way to 'get along' with someone like you, "sweetie" when you create odors on threads such as this post does.  Go back to your resolution to be nicer.  You've clearly lost your resolve.........  *****rollingeyes*****

 :amen:   888high58888   Comments and attacks like those against fellow posters coming from @Emjay have no place in TBR!! 
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: truth_seeker on February 20, 2019, 05:49:49 pm
Ideally one could have common sense and a genius level IQ.

The possession of the former would strongly inform against bragging about the latter in public.



Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: mystery-ak on February 20, 2019, 05:59:26 pm
Please stop mentioning Emjay on this thread..she prefers to stay off this subject.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: txradioguy on February 20, 2019, 06:02:34 pm

The possession of the former would strongly inform against bragging about the latter in public.

Perhaps if people (not you) would stop impugning the intelligence of members for how they cast a vote the defense of ones intelligence wouldn't be needed.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: musiclady on February 20, 2019, 06:17:08 pm
Ideally one could have common sense and a genius level IQ.

The possession of the former would strongly inform against bragging about the latter in public.

The mention of the former  is only necessary when the absurd accusation is made that the presence of constitutional principles indicates that it is absent.

And the presence of moral and political principles is proof positive of the presence of common sense while mindless gushing about a politician almost certainly indicates its absence.



Editing to add a ping to @truth_seeker , who, though he never accuses me directly deserves to be treated better than he treats me.

This post is directly in response to your passive-aggressive attack on me, t_s.    I don't have a passive-aggressive bone in my body, while you seem to have nothing else. FWIW......    :patriot:
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: jmyrlefuller on February 20, 2019, 06:18:49 pm
Please stop mentioning Emjay on this thread..she prefers to stay off this subject.
(in Maury Povich voice)

The numerous times she posted on this thread say that is a lie.
(https://media1.tenor.com/images/8061724cf7d841a9894a952e96949913/tenor.gif?itemid=12007771)

It seems to me like a member of the board has decided she has bit off more than she could proverbially chew.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Bigun on February 20, 2019, 06:21:20 pm
N O T I C E ! ! !

Donald Trump IS President of the United States and will be for quite some time!
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: libertybele on February 20, 2019, 06:25:19 pm
And that difference, along with President Trump’s handling of the economy, and his determination to fix our broken bordersecurity, is what will get him reelected. And thank God for that.

His determination to fix our broken border security?  Unless you have different information, the bill that he just signed is a disaster and does more harm than good.

Secondly, there are as of last count 16 states that are suing him over his emergency declaration. In the bill that he signed local officials have the right to opt out .... so that means as long as liberal officials in those state don't want a barrier ... it's not going to happen which in essence means that the wall will NOT be completed.  So after he signed the bill we are worse off then before.  He signed the bill to avoid a shutdown, I get that, but nothing is worth losing the sovereignty of this country.

https://www.conservativereview.com/news/5-insane-provisions-amnesty-omnibus-bill/ (https://www.conservativereview.com/news/5-insane-provisions-amnesty-omnibus-bill/)
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: musiclady on February 20, 2019, 06:28:10 pm
:amen:   888high58888   Comments and attacks like those against fellow posters coming from @Emjay have no place in TBR!!

And yet it always seems to get turned around against those who are being attacked and make a defense.

Curious, no??  :shrug:
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: musiclady on February 20, 2019, 06:30:23 pm
@Bigun

We are ALL aware of that (unfortunate) truth.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: XenaLee on February 20, 2019, 06:31:41 pm
Testing.... testing.....

(I think my thread notifications is broke!  8888crybaby)
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: edpc on February 20, 2019, 06:35:27 pm
@Bigun

We are ALL aware of that (unfortunate) truth.


LOL - well, like Odysseus, the right decided Scylla was better than Charybdis, in 2016.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: DCPatriot on February 20, 2019, 06:36:30 pm
:amen:   888high58888   Comments and attacks like those against fellow posters coming from @Emjay have no place in TBR!!

Look!   She is incessantly picked upon by several apha-bitch wannabes.

Where the heck have you been?
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: DCPatriot on February 20, 2019, 06:37:27 pm
Please stop mentioning Emjay on this thread..she prefers to stay off this subject.

Sorry....didn't see this post before I posted something in her defense.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Bigun on February 20, 2019, 06:39:57 pm
@Bigun

We are ALL aware of that (unfortunate) truth.

@musiclady

Happy to know that.  Reading some of the posts here lately would give one cause to doubt that however.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: musiclady on February 20, 2019, 06:44:37 pm
@musiclady

Happy to know that.  Reading some of the posts here lately would give one cause to doubt that however.

I decided in 2008 when Obama was elected that the Lord didn't want me to be angry all the time, but I never lost awareness that he had been elected.

The same has been true since 2016 when the Republican party kicked Conservatives out of the party in May.

I'm not still angry, but I certainly  haven't forgotten who got nominated and elected.........
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Bigun on February 20, 2019, 06:49:32 pm
I decided in 2008 when Obama was elected that the Lord didn't want me to be angry all the time, but I never lost awareness that he had been elected.

The same has been true since 2016 when the Republican party kicked Conservatives out of the party in May.

I'm not still angry, but I certainly  haven't forgotten who got nominated and elected.........

And I,  as you well know, find myself in the same boat.  I can, however separate that from the issues currently before us.  In short, I will work with what I have presently and not what I wish I had.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: musiclady on February 20, 2019, 06:55:25 pm
And I,  as you well know, find myself in the same boat.  I can, however separate that from the issues currently before us.  In short, I will work with what I have presently and not what I wish I had.

Me too.

But it's exceedingly frustrating that there is almost no one in DC who represents the principles I believe in, and that includes the WH.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Bigun on February 20, 2019, 07:00:32 pm
Me too.

But it's exceedingly frustrating that there is almost no one in DC who represents the principles I believe in, and that includes the WH.

While there is some truth to that, I will say that the actions of THIS Whitehouse have more fully done that than any previous one I can recall going all the way back to the WH of the Reagan era.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on February 20, 2019, 07:01:47 pm
Look!   She is incessantly picked upon by several apha-bitch wannabes.

Where the heck have you been?

@DCPatriot

If you’re referring to me, I’m offended. 

I am no wanna-be.  Please correct this in the future.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: DCPatriot on February 20, 2019, 07:07:47 pm
@DCPatriot

If you’re referring to me, I’m offended. 

I am no wanna-be.  Please correct this in the future.

 :laugh:  Figured everybody knew you were already an alpha female. 
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on February 20, 2019, 07:21:40 pm
:laugh:  Figured everybody knew you were already an alpha female.

Lol
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: musiclady on February 20, 2019, 07:26:21 pm
While there is some truth to that, I will say that the actions of THIS Whitehouse have more fully done that than any previous one I can recall going all the way back to the WH of the Reagan era.

Glad you're happy, friend.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Bigun on February 20, 2019, 07:34:39 pm
Glad you're happy, friend.

I would be much happier if there were a few more people in Washington trying to move the ball in my direction instead of spending all their time defending the status quo!
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: musiclady on February 20, 2019, 07:36:54 pm
I would be much happier if there were a few more people in Washington trying to move the ball in my direction instead of spending all their time defending the status quo!

Actually, the most conservative people in DC are in opposition to what the President is doing with the wall emergency.

IMO, they're the only ones there who are representing actual conservatism.

So I'm glad they're blocking the proverbial ball that Trump is trying to move.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Bigun on February 20, 2019, 07:38:18 pm
Actually, the most conservative people in DC are in opposition to what the President is doing with the wall emergency.

IMO, they're the only ones there who are representing actual conservatism.

So I'm glad they're blocking the proverbial ball that Trump is trying to move.

In that case, I strongly disagree with you and them.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: musiclady on February 20, 2019, 07:39:34 pm
In that case, I strongly disagree with you and them.

Cruz, Paul, Lee, Sasse............ I'll go with them, thank you.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Sanguine on February 20, 2019, 07:47:16 pm
Cruz, Paul, Lee, Sasse............ I'll go with them, thank you.

Has Cruz said anything about the emergency declaration?
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Bigun on February 20, 2019, 07:48:24 pm
Cruz, Paul, Lee, Sasse............ I'll go with them, thank you.

I think you and I are talking about two decidedly different things.  I would not have voted for, or signed, the budget deal but I am 100% in favor of securing the border.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 20, 2019, 07:50:59 pm
Has Cruz said anything about the emergency declaration?

https://www.texastribune.org/2019/02/14/texans-react-trumps-national-emergency-declaration-border-wall/ (https://www.texastribune.org/2019/02/14/texans-react-trumps-national-emergency-declaration-border-wall/)
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Sanguine on February 20, 2019, 07:53:09 pm
https://www.texastribune.org/2019/02/14/texans-react-trumps-national-emergency-declaration-border-wall/ (https://www.texastribune.org/2019/02/14/texans-react-trumps-national-emergency-declaration-border-wall/)

Thanks.

Quote
Texas' U.S. senators, John Cornyn and Ted Cruz, have not been as enthusiastic. Cornyn has expressed deep reservations, and Cruz has asserted there are ways for the Trump administration to do it under the law, but officials need to be careful to not create a "slippery slope" for a future president to abuse his or her power.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Bigun on February 20, 2019, 07:55:20 pm
Thanks.

What has the president done here that he is not allowed to do under current law?  Please be specific.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Sanguine on February 20, 2019, 08:02:09 pm
What has the president done here that he is not allowed to do under current law?  Please be specific.

Nothing that I know of. I was responding to "Cruz, Paul, Lee, Sasse............ I'll go with them, thank you.", which I took to mean that those four were against an emergency declaration.  Clearly, Cruz is not, but says it needs to be done correctly.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Hoodat on February 20, 2019, 08:03:10 pm
Cruz, Paul, Lee, Sasse............ I'll go with them, thank you.

Four Senators who voted 'No' to amnesty.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Bigun on February 20, 2019, 08:06:25 pm
Nothing that I know of. I was responding to "Cruz, Paul, Lee, Sasse............ I'll go with them, thank you.", which I took to mean that those four were against an emergency declaration.  Clearly, Cruz is not, but says it needs to be done correctly.

The people who voted against the terrible funding bill were right to d so and I wish the president had not signed it but I don't have all the information he does and definitely do want the border secured.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Sanguine on February 20, 2019, 08:13:14 pm
The people who voted against the terrible funding bill were right to d so and I wish the president had not signed it but I don't have all the information he does and definitely do want the border secured.

Yes, that bill should have been tossed right back to the Lege.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on February 20, 2019, 08:17:12 pm
What has the president done here that he is not allowed to do under current law?  Please be specific.

I agree with the question @Bigun   The quote sounded like political hair-splitting---standing squarely in the middle with the ability to move to the winning side at a later date.


Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: musiclady on February 20, 2019, 08:17:21 pm
I think you and I are talking about two decidedly different things.  I would not have voted for, or signed, the budget deal but I am 100% in favor of securing the border.

I guess we are!  Same here.  :patriot:

(That's why we have to be careful about black and white online forum discussions........... sometimes you don't even know you're agreeing with each other!  happy77)
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: musiclady on February 20, 2019, 08:19:00 pm
Has Cruz said anything about the emergency declaration?

I was citing four conservatives I respect who voted No to the bill.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: musiclady on February 20, 2019, 08:19:22 pm
Four Senators who voted 'No' to amnesty.

Yep.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: libertybele on February 20, 2019, 09:09:04 pm
I think you and I are talking about two decidedly different things.  I would not have voted for, or signed, the budget deal but I am 100% in favor of securing the border.

Unfortunately the budget deal has provisions in it the don't exactly amount to securing the border.

https://www.conservativereview.com/news/5-insane-provisions-amnesty-omnibus-bill/ (https://www.conservativereview.com/news/5-insane-provisions-amnesty-omnibus-bill/)
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: truth_seeker on February 20, 2019, 09:52:44 pm
I will say that the actions of THIS Whitehouse have more fully done that than any previous one I can recall going all the way back to the WH of the Reagan era.


Thanks for stating what a few here have also stated.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: sneakypete on February 20, 2019, 10:52:05 pm
Ideally one could have common sense and a genius level IQ.

The possession of the former would strongly inform against bragging about the latter in public.

@truth_seeker

Why? I have a Mensa-level IQ,and I'm not impressed by it.  Big freaking deal. If you want to impress me,DO SOMETHING POSITIVE.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: sneakypete on February 20, 2019, 10:56:14 pm

Ideally one could have common sense and a genius level IQ.



@truth_seeker

That does happen occasionally,but it seems to be rare. Serious geniuses are dreamers by nature,and dreamers are not a good fit with people who have a lot of common sense.

Nobody's fault and nobody gets any credit for it,it's just the way it seems to work.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: sneakypete on February 20, 2019, 10:59:02 pm
Actually, the most conservative people in DC are in opposition to what the President is doing with the wall emergency.

IMO, they're the only ones there who are representing actual conservatism.



@musiclady

Really? Name them!
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: txradioguy on February 20, 2019, 11:03:52 pm
@truth_seeker

Why? I have a Mensa-level IQ,and I'm not impressed by it.  Big freaking deal. If you want to impress me,DO SOMETHING POSITIVE.

Physician heal thyself.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: sneakypete on February 20, 2019, 11:05:28 pm
Physician heal thyself.

@txradioguy

I suppose you suspect that means something deep? It is in no way related to what I wrote. You might as well have strung random words together.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: TomSea on February 20, 2019, 11:16:06 pm
@musiclady

Really? Name them!

Okay, I know the purpose of this is to say, "Oh, he's not conservative"... but for the record, let's see, I know Senator Rubio is not voting for it.

Maybe Mike Lee,  https://hotair.com/archives/2019/02/15/mike-lee-trumps-emergency-decree-time-congress-take-back-power-president/

Perhaps Rand Paul, so they are out there, maybe Ben Sasse actually too. I don't think Ted Cruz will be among those against the emergency action.

https://news.yahoo.com/sasse-warns-trump-national-emergency-232525128.html

@sneakypete
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: musiclady on February 20, 2019, 11:18:00 pm
Okay, I know the purpose of this is to say, "Oh, he's not conservative"... but for the record, let's see, I know Senator Rubio is not voting for it.

Maybe Mike Lee,  https://hotair.com/archives/2019/02/15/mike-lee-trumps-emergency-decree-time-congress-take-back-power-president/

Perhaps Rand Paul, so they are out there, maybe Ben Sasse actually too. I don't think Ted Cruz will be among those against the emergency action.

ALL of them voted No on the hideous bill.  SOME of them are conservatives.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: sneakypete on February 20, 2019, 11:21:44 pm
Okay, I know the purpose of this is to say, "Oh, he's not conservative"... but for the record, let's see, I know Senator Rubio is not voting for it.

Maybe Mike Lee,  https://hotair.com/archives/2019/02/15/mike-lee-trumps-emergency-decree-time-congress-take-back-power-president/

Perhaps Rand Paul, so they are out there, maybe Ben Sasse actually too. I don't think Ted Cruz will be among those against the emergency action.

https://news.yahoo.com/sasse-warns-trump-national-emergency-232525128.html

@sneakypete

@TomSea

You and I clearly have different viewpoints on what makes someone a conservative,or in some cases,a rational conservative.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: TomSea on February 20, 2019, 11:36:02 pm
@TomSea

You and I clearly have different viewpoints on what makes someone a conservative,or in some cases,a rational conservative.

I wasn't making judgements, you asked a question, I was just providing a list.  Trying to be helpful.

@sneakypete
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: TomSea on February 20, 2019, 11:38:17 pm
These Senators may have voted against the Budget bill but their responsibility ends there.  We'll see how this turns out, Rush was saying this could be used against Trump in 2020. Check the radio forum section.

Sasse has not indicated he'd vote on this resolution blocking the emergency. It appears that he does lean that way.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Chosen Daughter on February 21, 2019, 01:27:11 am
These Senators may have voted against the Budget bill but their responsibility ends there.  We'll see how this turns out, Rush was saying this could be used against Trump in 2020. Check the radio forum section.

Sasse has not indicated he'd vote on this resolution blocking the emergency. It appears that he does lean that way.

I am not clear that it won't be a waste of money now.  I have always been for the wall but Trump signed away his right to build where local government oppose it.  These can be officials tied to the Cartels.   Obama built an innefective "wall, "barrier", pedestrian fence.  Its a joke.  We need a complete border wall.  Not 4,5, 6 mile sections.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 21, 2019, 01:37:19 am
I am not clear that it won't be a waste of money now.  I have always been for the wall but Trump signed away his right to build where local government oppose it.  These can be officials tied to the Cartels.   Obama built an innefective "wall, "barrier", pedestrian fence.  Its a joke.  We need a complete border wall.  Not 4,5, 6 mile sections.

A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: roamer_1 on February 21, 2019, 01:57:13 am
A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.

And if wishes were wings, a frogs ass wouldn't bump the ground.
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: truth_seeker on February 21, 2019, 02:07:48 am
@truth_seeker

That does happen occasionally,but it seems to be rare. Serious geniuses are dreamers by nature,and dreamers are not a good fit with people who have a lot of common sense.

Nobody's fault and nobody gets any credit for it,it's just the way it seems to work.

Have studied and watched "testing" since military, and you refer to ight-left brain, as well s other either-or axes.

But in reality there ARE some people that fall in the midzones.


Queen co-founder and lead guitar player Brian May is ALSO a gifted scientist, for just one example.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_May
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 21, 2019, 02:08:38 am
And if wishes were wings, a frogs ass wouldn't bump the ground.

Your statement about wishes is better than mine, which is about two hands. 888high58888
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: goodwithagun on February 21, 2019, 02:16:58 am
Your statement about wishes is better than mine, which is about two hands. 888high58888

I know that one 💩💩💩
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 21, 2019, 03:36:48 am
I know that one 💩💩💩

 888high58888
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Wingnut on February 21, 2019, 04:20:27 am
I miss old gunny.  I have him on my Bookface, but he's in Bookface Jail so much I hardly see him anymore.  :shrug:  Lavender Mafia.

Is that like the kotex mafia?
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 21, 2019, 04:38:58 am
Is that like the kotex mafia?

No.  I quit Bookface for a year or two because of the Lavenders. 
Title: Re: I’ll Be Voting for President Trump and Vice President Pence in 2020
Post by: LegalAmerican on February 24, 2019, 11:41:41 pm
Rumor is Manchelle wants to run for office of president. 


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