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Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
September 6, 2019 | Zachary Leeman
Four states are canceling their Republican primaries and caucuses, which spells very bad news for Republican Trump challengers, who already faced a near-impossible road anyway.
South Carolina, Nevada, Arizona, and Kansas Republicans are expected to finalize plans to cancel their primaries this weekend, according to Politico.
“Trump and his allies and the Republican National Committee are doing whatever they can do to eliminate primaries in certain states and make it very difficult for primary challengers to get on the ballot in a number of states,†the controversial Joe Walsh, who recently announced his primary challenge to Trump, said in reaction to the cancellation news.
He went on to say that the Republican Party should be “ashamed†of itself, which seems a strange strategy for someone literally trying to be the nominee of that political party.
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https://www.bizpacreview.com/2019/09/06/four-states-scrap-gop-primaries-and-caucuses-trump-challengers-not-happy-819154 (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2019/09/06/four-states-scrap-gop-primaries-and-caucuses-trump-challengers-not-happy-819154)
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I'm glad AZ is scrapping the Presidential Preference. It's a total waste of money that the Party can now use for electioneering in the Fall. (In AZ, the Parties pay for these elections.)
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Stupid. Force Trump on us.
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The despotic nature of politics as usual... an Incumbent Protection Program!
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The despotic nature of politics as usual... an Incumbent Protection Program!
Why would we spend the money and time on this when the President's approval rating among Republicans is over 90%? There isn't another Republican who can win the primary or the general election.
All this would serve is the opposition's need for video clips to use during the general campaign. Why would anyone want to hand Warren or Biden this treasure trove and weaken our candidate at this critical point in our history??
It's frightening how deeply some believe President Warren is preferable to President Trump.
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Four states scrap GOP primaries and caucuses, Trump challengers not happy
GOP Coup is near completion.
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GOP Coup is near completion.
We're finally getting smart. If some <1% candidates want air time for a vanity challenge --- let them run as democrats.
The GOP has better and more important ways to spend our time and money.
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Why would we spend the money and time on this when the President's approval rating among Republicans is over 90%? There isn't another Republican who can win the primary or the general election.
Over 90%? All the poils I checked showed 80-90% which IS NOT a resounding endorsement for an incumbent POTUS within his own party.
Can you show me one poll that has him over and consisently over 90%?
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Over 90%? All the poils I checked showed 80-90% which IS NOT a resounding endorsement for an incumbent POTUS within his own party.
Can you show me one poll that has him over and consisently over 90%?
I could show you several .... but I'll let you play with Google ... I'm going to do more today than argue with a brick wall.
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I could show you several .... but I'll let you play with Google ... I'm going to do more today than argue with a brick wall.
:seeya:
@Right_in_Virginia
Gallup- 88% https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx (https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx)
WaPo- 85% https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx (https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx)
Gallup -87% https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/jun/06/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-republican-voters-him-more-they- (https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/jun/06/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-republican-voters-him-more-they-) (June composites)
CNN 86%
Politico/Morning Consult 84%
Harvard-Harris 83%
Economist/YouGov 82%
Reuters/Ipsos- 82%
Am I missing any? Because, I think your over "90%" comment is incorrect, as is your estimation of his popularity within the party.
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GOP Coup is near completion.
And people question my inclination to stay home on election day and read a good book instead. Not that it matters in the primary here in PA since last year, I changed my voter registration from Republican to Independent, thus proving myself to be a commie loving democrat. :whistle:
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Doesn't the corrupt democrat party do this all the time? It looks bad, IMHO. Begs the question 'What is Trump afraid of?'
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Why would we spend the money and time on this when the President's approval rating among Republicans is over 90%? There isn't another Republican who can win the primary or the general election.
All this would serve is the opposition's need for video clips to use during the general campaign. Why would anyone want to hand Warren or Biden this treasure trove and weaken our candidate at this critical point in our history??
It's frightening how deeply some believe President Warren is preferable to President Trump.
It's the optics of not giving folks a choice that is being given to the opposition....which they will no doubt use re: that accusation of theirs that Trump is a dictator. Plays right into their hands. You really don't see that?
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Is this true, or is Walsh just stirring up stuff?
If true:
It is not a good idea.
It sets a precedent that I think will lead us down a slippery slope.
A National party should not be allowed to pick and choose which states should hold primaries.
If they keep this nonsense up, the Republican Party will be the American version of the Politburo.
I do not buy that they are trying to save money, it is an excuse.
The Liberals will have a field day with this saying like, “Republicans are not only denying minority voting rights, they are keeping their own people from going to the pollsâ€.
This should be overturned/overruled
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Stupid. Force Trump on us.
That's right.
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And people question my inclination to stay home on election day and read a good book instead. Not that it matters in the primary here in PA since last year, I changed my voter registration from Republican to Independent, thus proving myself to be a commie loving democrat. :whistle:
This is going to have the exact opposite affect for Trump. I think many people will do that.
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In some states the Democrats have done this in the past, all the more reason that we should not.
Democrats should be seen as the party most likely to anoint their leader.
We shouldn’t follow.
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Are there no GOP challengers down the ballot? I guess that means you better like all the incumbents as there is no way to vote them out with another GOP candidate. Or in these states can multiple GOP candidates be on the National election?
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It's the optics of not giving folks a choice that is being given to the opposition....which they will no doubt use re: that accusation of theirs that Trump is a dictator. Plays right into their hands. You really don't see that?
I get this @XenaLee I also get that playing right into the hands of those who would believe the President is a dictator is not my concern. They've already made their decision the President is a dictator and their choice about voting for the President's reelection. I'm all for shaking the sand off our sandals and moving on from this group.
These vanity candidates are in it for the money. Nothing else; just a chance to keep contributions from the hardcore NT group hoping to wound the President so he loses in 2020 and they can twist that into proof they were right all along.
Yes, TDS is truly a mental disease. We can't cure it, so let's roll without it weighing us down.
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This is going to have the exact opposite affect for Trump. I think many people will do that.
Absurd. *****rollingeyes*****
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There isn't another Republican who can win the primary or the general election.
A convicted felon, Keith Russell Judd, won 41% of the vote—from DEMOCRATS— in West Virginia because he was not Barack Obama.
John Wolfe, whose notability is even less than Weld or Walsh, came within 7 points of beating Obama in Missouri because he was not Barack Obama.
It's an election, not a coronation. We deserve a choice, whether you like it or not. It's not your place or any other to play kingmaker and decide "well, you can't win so we won't let you try."
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Don't pee in my Wheaties @Right_in_Virginia
The Impossible Dream-Man of La Mancha
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One doesn't primary an incumbent with an 87% approval of the Party.
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I'm glad AZ is scrapping the Presidential Preference. It's a total waste of money that the Party can now use for electioneering in the Fall. (In AZ, the Parties pay for these elections.)
@Cyber Liberty
This is "Putineze-Hitlereze - choosing the candidate for us. We don't have a choice. There will be other Republican candidates for president but dictator Trump just took them from us.
Plus, it takes away Republicans down the ballot - no choice there if another Republican for an office held by a different one now. This is tyranny.
Someone in those states doing this should take this to court.
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In some states the Democrats have done this in the past, all the more reason that we should not. Democrats should be seen as the party most likely to anoint their leader. We shouldn’t follow.
@GrouchoTex
Have not heard of this in Texas. Could you find that happening? Plus, happening in other states. I am not familiar with this.
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I get this @XenaLee I also get that playing right into the hands of those who would believe the President is a dictator is not my concern. They've already made their decision the President is a dictator and their choice about voting for the President's reelection. I'm all for shaking the sand off our sandals and moving on from this group.
These vanity candidates are in it for the money. Nothing else; just a chance to keep contributions from the hardcore NT group hoping to wound the President so he loses in 2020 and they can twist that into proof they were right all along.
Yes, TDS is truly a mental disease. We can't cure it, so let's roll without it weighing us down.
Here's the problem with your thinking. You can't think that way and hope to win... much less deserve to win. The problem with the optics of this "no choice" decision in those states is that it will indeed sway voters to the other side and convince them that some of the idiots on the left were correct about Trump. Others will ask, what's he afraid of? Is this a glimmer of how he would rule in his 2nd term? What it does to convince the 'on the fencers' will hurt the GOP, not help the GOP. And trust me.... despite what you might think... the GOP needs every single vote it can eek out next year. Being overconfident is a killer, especially when it concerns elections. You should know that by now.
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In some states the Democrats have done this in the past, all the more reason that we should not.
Democrats should be seen as the party most likely to anoint their leader.
We shouldn’t follow.
Exactly! So why the hell would anyone (that's not a RINO or NT, that is) advocate for doing the same thing the fascist left is doing or trying to do? It makes no sense unless you discern that those fools are on the other side, IMO.
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Think of the opportunities for GOP style Virtue Signaling?
Mark Sanford, on marriage.
Attorneys Scarramucci & Avenetti
Journalists Will and Kristol
Forum flakes think it is now possible to make chicken salad, out of chicken shite.
But it is not.
Deja Vu, all over again. Memories of Stupid Party adherents, memories erased every few months.
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A convicted felon, Keith Russell Judd, won 41% of the vote—from DEMOCRATS— in West Virginia because he was not Barack Obama.
John Wolfe, whose notability is even less than Weld or Walsh, came within 7 points of beating Obama in Missouri because he was not Barack Obama.
It's an election, not a coronation. We deserve a choice, whether you like it or not. It's not your place or any other to play kingmaker and decide "well, you can't win so we won't let you try."
You’re not equating the fawning media environment Obama enjoyed with that of the hostile press and the establishment GOP resistance Trump faces every day of his presidency?
Point is you have to think tactically. Failure to support Trump is not a tenable option given that the socialists, Marxists and globalists are trending in the democrat party.
You’ve got to look for something to support in Trump, whether it’s the economy or border security, or pro life issues. This is not the time to splinter the GOP with primary challenges. Unity is needed on the Right.
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I consider mimicking what the idiot left is doing (like in California re: restricting primaries by eliminating GOP names on the ballots) by not having a primary in some states at all to be a major political blunder for the GOP. This is NOT the time when the GOP can afford such a blunder. In fact, it's the worst possible time. Think this through, folks.
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You’re not equating the fawning media environment Obama enjoyed with that of the hostile press and the establishment GOP resistance Trump faces every day of his presidency?
And yet even with all that fawning, he came dangerously close to losing primaries.
Now think, with Trump's record—just yesterday he admitted he wanted to smuggle the Taliban into the country under the disguise of diplomacy, on the anniversary of 9/11 of all times—and there ought to be even more opposition! Quashing that just makes you look like a dictator.
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It must be h3ll not to have the Trump Train stop in your State.
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Is this true, or is Walsh just stirring up stuff?
If true:
It is not a good idea.
It sets a precedent that I think will lead us down a slippery slope.
A National party should not be allowed to pick and choose which states should hold primaries.
If they keep this nonsense up, the Republican Party will be the American version of the Politburo.
I do not buy that they are trying to save money, it is an excuse.
The Liberals will have a field day with this saying like, “Republicans are not only denying minority voting rights, they are keeping their own people from going to the pollsâ€.
This should be overturned/overruled
You really should read the article.
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Are there no GOP challengers down the ballot? I guess that means you better like all the incumbents as there is no way to vote them out with another GOP candidate. Or in these states can multiple GOP candidates be on the National election?
I can't speak for other States, but in Arizona there are no GOP challengers down the ballot. It's not technically the "Primary," but it's a "Presidential Preference." This is only about that election.
This discussion is about State Primaries in some states, not all over the country. There will still be Primaries. Some States don't have them at all, IIRC.
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@Cyber Liberty
This is "Putineze-Hitlereze - choosing the candidate for us. We don't have a choice. There will be other Republican candidates for president but dictator Trump just took them from us.
Plus, it takes away Republicans down the ballot - no choice there if another Republican for an office held by a different one now. This is tyranny.
Someone in those states doing this should take this to court.
Seriously? Hitlereze? Tyranny?
If you had ANY grasp of history whatsoever you could never utter such absurdity. This is a primary, not a general election. In primaries, parties internally select their candidates...followed by free and fair general elections. There IS no constitutional requirement to have a primary...parties do so only to discern which of their candidates have the most internal support. When that internal support is already overwhelming, a primary becomes pointless. What about that is "Hitlereze" to you? Trump has deep and wide support among Republicans...in fact, at an almost unprecedented level. He HAS no serious challenger, so it would be intense stupidity for the GOP to hold a primary...which costs a great deal of money and only assists the Democrats in defeating the GOP candidate in the general.
You don't like Trump...we get it. But conservatives and Republicans...in huge numbers...DO support him. So many that running a primary is truly pointless...a waste of money and resources needed in the "real" election.
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"This is "Putineze-Hitlereze"
Kook site, deja vu all-over-again. Stuck on stupid
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Is this true, or is Walsh just stirring up stuff?
If true:
It is not a good idea.
It sets a precedent that I think will lead us down a slippery slope.
A National party should not be allowed to pick and choose which states should hold primaries.
If they keep this nonsense up, the Republican Party will be the American version of the Politburo.
I do not buy that they are trying to save money, it is an excuse.
The Liberals will have a field day with this saying like, “Republicans are not only denying minority voting rights, they are keeping their own people from going to the pollsâ€.
This should be overturned/overruled
If it's Walsh, it's probably s**t stirring.
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Is this true, or is Walsh just stirring up stuff?
If true:
It is not a good idea.
@GrouchoTex
Alas, 'tis true . . .
The GOP Deals With Trump Competition by Canceling Elections (https://reason.com/2019/09/06/the-gop-deals-with-trump-competition-by-canceling-elections/)
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Another tempest in a tiny teapot roils.... this is nothing new:
But an RNC official argued that shutting down primaries and caucuses is not new during an incumbent's re-election campaign. The official pointed to Republicans canceling eight primary contests in 1992 and 10 in 2004, and Democrats scrapping eight primaries and caucuses in 1996 and 10 in 2012, during former President Obama's re-election campaign.
"Republicans and Democrats alike have opted out ... in previous election cycles: Democrats did so in 1996 with then-incumbent President Bill Clinton, and again in 2012 when President Obama was in office; Republicans opted out in 2004 when President Bush was up for re-election," said Republican Party of Arizona Chairman Kelli Ward. "This is nothing new, despite the media's inauthentic attempt to portray it as such. Arizona Republicans are fired up to re-elect President Trump to a second term and will continue to work together to keep America-and Arizona-great."
https://6abc.com/republican-party-in-south-carolina-cancels-2020-presidential-primary-/5521572/
I actually don't recall anyone huffing and puffing about it back then....
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I actually don't recall anyone huffing and puffing about it back then....
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I do, alas. There were a considerable number of Republicans unhappy with President Lips and his busted "no new taxes" pledge among other things; and, there were a considerable number of Republicans likewise unhappy with President Lips II's floutings of the Constitution and big government conservatism. (Don't judge the huffing, puffing, or lack thereof solely along the line of certain Republican-oriented Websites who aimed to snuff any and most dissent.)
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I can't speak for other States, but in Arizona there are no GOP challengers down the ballot. It's not technically the "Primary," but it's a "Presidential Preference." This is only about that election.
This discussion is about State Primaries in some states, not all over the country. There will still be Primaries. Some States don't have them at all, IIRC.
Here's one for Arizona and not very far down the ballot.
https://www.apnews.com/ba7bad9f1b6d4e1ea2e5e9b50b1df6de (https://www.apnews.com/ba7bad9f1b6d4e1ea2e5e9b50b1df6de)
PHOENIX (AP) — A Phoenix-area businessman said Wednesday he’ll challenge U.S. Sen. Martha McSally in the Republican primary, setting up a potential threat to GOP efforts to hold onto John McCain’s former Senate seat.
Daniel McCarthy, who founded a cosmetics company and real-estate brokerage with his wife, said he’s running because he doesn’t think McSally can beat likely Democratic nominee Mark Kelly, a former astronaut.
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Seriously? Hitlereze? Tyranny?
If you had ANY grasp of history whatsoever you could never utter such absurdity. This is a primary, not a general election. In primaries, parties internally select their candidates...followed by free and fair general elections. There IS no constitutional requirement to have a primary...parties do so only to discern which of their candidates have the most internal support. When that internal support is already overwhelming, a primary becomes pointless. What about that is "Hitlereze" to you? Trump has deep and wide support among Republicans...in fact, at an almost unprecedented level. He HAS no serious challenger, so it would be intense stupidity for the GOP to hold a primary...which costs a great deal of money and only assists the Democrats in defeating the GOP candidate in the general.
You don't like Trump...we get it. But conservatives and Republicans...in huge numbers...DO support him. So many that running a primary is truly pointless...a waste of money and resources needed in the "real" election.
God I missed you. :beer:
“Internal support,†what a clarifying phrase. Focuses the thinking. But, for some it triggers hyperventilating.
Someone said it up thread, this was a welcome opportunity to virtue signal, sans thought.
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Republican delegate rules, 2020 (https://ballotpedia.org/Republican_delegate_rules,_2020)
Nothing there that requires any state party to hold a presidential primary.
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Primaries are not just for president.
The selection of candidates for federal, state, and local general elections takes place in primary elections organized by the public administration for the general voting public to participate in for the purpose of nominating the respective parties' official candidates; state voters start the electoral process for governors and legislators through the primary process, as well as for many local officials from city councilors to county commissioners.
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God I missed you. :beer:
“Internal support,†what a clarifying phrase. Focuses the thinking. But, for some it triggers hyperventilating.
Someone said it up thread, this was a welcome opportunity to virtue signal, sans thought.
Thanks Aligncare!
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Here's one for Arizona and not very far down the ballot.
It's so far down the ballot, it's not even on it. That's a different election entirely.
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Primaries are not just for president.
The Presidential Preference, which is the Election we're talking about, is in March or so, the Primary for Senator and the rest is in August. Different Elections. Canceling the August Primary would be way wrong because there's a whole ballot to vote.
This is AZ. I've been voting in these for 40 years.
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The Presidential Preference, which is the Election we're talking about, is in March or so, the Primary for Senator and the rest is in August. Different Elections. Canceling the August Primary would be way wrong because there's a whole ballot to vote.
This is AZ. I've been voting in these for 40 years.
@Cyber Liberty
Thanks for explaining how it is in your state. You do have a primary for the other offices, however, I still think those Republicans running against the president should be in the primary.
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So Trump can encourage primaries against sitting congressmen, but he can not be primaried. Makes perfect sense to me.
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Being overconfident is a killer, especially when it concerns elections. You should know that by now.
I'm not overconfident @XenaLee ... and this is exactly why I know we do not have time to fritter away on a small group of intransigents who will not vote for the President. What I have learned by now is to those few "never" means "never".
I'd rather we turn our attention to the "maybes". They are worth our time and attention.
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@Cyber Liberty
Thanks for explaining how it is in your state. You do have a primary for the other offices, however, I still think those Republicans running against the president should be in the primary.
That's a different question, the correct one. Thanks for re-centering the discussion! As a taxpayer, I'm not happy to waste County money to run a pointless election. It's up to the State Chair, Kelli Ward. She decided this, after talking to the Chairs in all the Counties.
Not one Primary in the country, where Party Nominees for all other offices are decided, is being canceled. There is a lot of FUD on this thread.
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Seriously? Hitlereze? Tyranny?
If you had ANY grasp of history whatsoever you could never utter such absurdity. This is a primary, not a general election. In primaries, parties internally select their candidates...followed by free and fair general elections. There IS no constitutional requirement to have a primary...parties do so only to discern which of their candidates have the most internal support. When that internal support is already overwhelming, a primary becomes pointless.
What about that is "Hitlereze" to you? Trump has deep and wide support among Republicans...in fact, at an almost unprecedented level. He HAS no serious challenger, so it would be intense stupidity for the GOP to hold a primary...which costs a great deal of money and only assists the Democrats in defeating the GOP candidate in the general.
You don't like Trump...we get it. But conservatives and Republicans...in huge numbers...DO support him. So many that running a primary is truly pointless...a waste of money and resources needed in the "real" election.
Excellent post @Mesaclone Excellent. :patriot:
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Excellent post @Mesaclone Excellent. :patriot:
I've missed Mesaclone. too! I hope we see more of him(?).
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I'm not overconfident @XenaLee ... and this is exactly why I know we do not have time to fritter away on a small group of intransigents who will not vote for the President. What I have learned by now is to those few "never" means "never".
I'd rather we turn our attention to the "maybes". They are worth our time and attention.
It worked so Great in 2016, didn't it @Right_in_Virginia
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That's a different question, the correct one. Thanks for re-centering the discussion! As a taxpayer, I'm not happy to waste County money to run a pointless election. It's up to the State Chair, Kelli Ward. She decided this, after talking to the Chairs in all the Counties.
Not one Primary in the country, where Party Nominees for all other offices are decided, is being canceled. There is a lot of FUD on this thread.
It appears that none of the hair on fire crowd here is interested in reading the rules I posted above and learning how this actually works. Not surprised.
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It appears that none of the hair on fire crowd here is interested in reading the rules I posted above and learning how this actually works. Not surprised.
There's real money involved. All the Counties would have had to pay for these Elections, and it just isn't worth the spit so Mark Sanford can say he got votes on his way to obscurity. I don't want to waste the squeeze, we have budgets.
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Mark Sanford
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Mark Sanford Retweeted Donald J. Trump
So ready for a President that can move beyond either self praise or put down to one who will focus on the debt & deficit that have gone wild under his time in office. Spending 27% above Obama & deficits even higher. It’s time for a change.
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Can you believe it? I’m at 94% approval in the Republican Party, and have Three Stooges running against me. One is “Mr. Appalachian Trail†who was actually in Argentina for bad reasons....
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Seems Mr. Apalachian Trail has a twitter too. He's talking debt and he is right.
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Donald J. Trump
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Can you believe it? I’m at 94% approval in the Republican Party
I researched that this morning Mr. POTUS, and just which poll are you at 94% GOP approval? I sure couldn't find one. But you are always truthful with us aren't you? (/s)
Gallup- 88% https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx (https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx)
WaPo- 85% https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx (https://news.gallup.com/poll/203198/presidential-approval-ratings-donald-trump.aspx)
Gallup -87% https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/jun/06/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-republican-voters-him-more-they- (https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/jun/06/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-republican-voters-him-more-they-) (June composites)
CNN 86%
Politico/Morning Consult 84%
Harvard-Harris 83%
Economist/YouGov 82%
Reuters/Ipsos- 82%
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I've missed Mesaclone. too! I hope we see more of him(?).
You guys are too nice to me!
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GOP Coup is near completion.
That certainly doesn't meet any definition of a coup or which I am aware. Which one are you using?
This is all about one thing -- state parties trying to avoid wasting time and money better spent helping the guaranteed nominee win in the general election. That's what they're supposed to do, and a bunch of them did the exact same thing in 2004 for the exact same reason.
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@Mesaclone
Thanks for answering the "Bat Signal"
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Primaries are not just for president.
That's true. And that's probably why not a single state has cancelled primaries for down ticket candidates, nor will they. But if that happens...then sure, it would be wrong.
But it won't.
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It looks like many good conservatives have caught that current disease: outrageous maximus infinitus. It's very hard not to catch it and requires quite a bit of rigor in our mental health regimen to stay uninfected. Things like read the whole article, think about it and discuss it with others before forming a solid opinion, do research, take massive doses of truth as needed, and get some time away from the bubbling cauldron of infected thought patterns and media contamination. Oh, and probably the most important factor in avoiding infection - retain some humility.
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It looks like many good conservatives have caught that current disease: outrageous maximus infinitus. It's very hard not to catch it and requires quite a bit of rigor in our mental health regimen to stay uninfected. Things like read the whole article, think about it and discuss it with others before forming a solid opinion, do research, take massive doses of truth as needed, and get some time away from the bubbling cauldron of infected thought patterns and media contamination. Oh, and probably the most important factor in avoiding infection - retain some humility.
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Hahaha! Surely you jest!!
Can't you see that it is far more fun to just exclaim: "Damn, that Trump is a dictator!!"
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That certainly doesn't meet any definition of a coup or which I am aware. Which one are you using?
Cosolidation of power to prevent opposition? Try a dictionary.
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Cosolidation of power to prevent opposition? Try a dictionary.
Which dictionary is that?
Oxford says this: "a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government."
Mirriam-Webster says: "a sudden decisive exercise of force in politics
especially : the violent overthrow or alteration of an existing government by a small group
Dictionary.com says: "a sudden and decisive action in politics, especially one resulting in a change of government illegally or by force."
There obviously is nothing violent or illegal about this, it isn't a "change in government," nor is it even "decisive" given that it doesn't change the result of the primary even if it was held. Trump is going to be the nominee. And given that 1) open primaries/caucuses were not even the way nominees were selected for much of our history, and 2) the actual general election that decides the Presidency is unaffected, claiming this is "coup" is just ridiculous. You think the party should support purely symbolic opposition to the inevitable nominee of the party, and the party -- through it's elected committees -- disagrees.
I'm suspecting you didn't consider it a "coup" when either Bush or Obama did the exact same thing -- it's only a "coup" now because the supporters of someone you don't like did the same thing that has been done when prior incumbents are the presumptive nominee.
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Which dictionary is that?
Oxford says this: "a sudden, violent, and illegal seizure of power from a government."
Mirriam-Webster says: "a sudden decisive exercise of force in politics
especially : the violent overthrow or alteration of an existing government by a small group
Dictionary.com says: "a sudden and decisive action in politics, especially one resulting in a change of government illegally or by force."
There obviously is nothing violent or illegal about this, it isn't a "change in government," nor is it even "decisive" given that it doesn't change the result of the primary even if it was held. Trump is going to be the nominee. And given that 1) open primaries/caucuses were not even the way nominees were selected for much of our history, and 2) the actual general election that decides the Presidency is unaffected, claiming this is "coup" is just ridiculous. You think the party should support purely symbolic opposition to the inevitable nominee of the party, and the party -- through it's elected committees -- disagrees.
I'm suspecting you didn't consider it a "coup" when either Bush or Obama did the exact same thing -- it's only a "coup" now because the supporters of someone you don't like did the same thing that has been done when prior incumbents are the presumptive nominee.
Bill. Remember who you're arguing with. If reason, facts...or dictionary definitions...or intellect could convince NeverTrumpers....well...there wouldn't BE any NeverTrumpers. They've staked out what is essentially a religious position, placing faith in their own "belief" that Trump is unacceptable. The rest of us see the man's flaws, see the shortcomings in our electoral processes, understand how a primary works, and understand the existential threat to the Republic should we fail to unify under our current president in the face of a Socialist uprising/onslaught...and so can come to logical conclusions. Not so for that tiny fragment of conservatives who "believe" Trump to be bad.
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Bill. Remember who you're arguing with. If reason, facts...or dictionary definitions...or intellect could convince NeverTrumpers....well...there wouldn't BE any NeverTrumpers. They've staked out what is essentially a religious position, placing faith in their own "belief" that Trump is unacceptable. The rest of us see the man's flaws, see the shortcomings in our electoral processes, understand how a primary works, and understand the existential threat to the Republic should we fail to unify under our current president in the face of a Socialist uprising/onslaught...and so can come to logical conclusions. Not so for that tiny fragment of conservatives who "believe" Trump to be bad.
The media used to get away with it, labeling and defining their republican targets, controlling the narrative.
But...Trump + Twitter changed all that...at least, for him.
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You really should read the article.
I did.
That's how I found out that Democrats have done this before.
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"This is "Putineze-Hitlereze"
Kook site, deja vu all-over-again. Stuck on stupid
And yet you're still here.
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The media used to get away with it, labeling and defining their republican targets, controlling the narrative.
But...Trump + Twitter changed all that...at least, for him.
And he used that against conservatives just like the media he took a check from for a decade. How do you think he learned those tricks?
We still remember Lyin' Ted.