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Title: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mountaineer on August 10, 2019, 01:06:58 pm
Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Updated 11 minutes ago
NEW YORK -- Billionaire financier Jeffrey Epstein has died by suicide in his Manhattan jail early Saturday morning, three law enforcement officials told ABC News.

He was being held without bail at the Metropolitan Correctional Center awaiting trial on charges of conspiracy and sex trafficking. He pleaded not guilty to the charges, and a judge said he wouldn't face trial before June 2020. ...

https://abc7ny.com/sources-jeffrey-epstein-dies-by-suicide-in-manhattan-jail/5457853/
Title: Re: Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mountaineer on August 10, 2019, 01:08:37 pm
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... The 66-year-old was also hospitalized in July after he was found unresponsive in what appeared to be a possible suicide attempt.
 ...
This seems to show some amazing incompetence at the jail. Who didn't know he was a suicide risk?
Title: Re: Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mountaineer on August 10, 2019, 01:09:53 pm
New York Post:
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Jeffrey Epstein dead in apparent suicide
By Larry Celona and Eileen AJ Connelly
August 10, 2019 | 8:56am

Convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein is dead of an apparent suicide, law enforcement sources said Saturday.

A gurney carrying a man who looked like Epstein was wheeled out of the Manhattan Correctional Center around 7:30 a.m. The ambulance went to New York Downtown Hospital.

The incident comes two weeks after Epstein, 66, was placed on suicide watch after he was found nearly unconscious in his cell with injuries to his neck. ...
MOre (https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/convicted-pedophile-jeffrey-epstein-dead/)
Title: Re: Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mountaineer on August 10, 2019, 01:14:08 pm
Twitter reacts:
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Penny Deplorable  ❌  @PennyDeplorable
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Replying to  @gatewaypundit
Are you kidding me? These prison guards had one job. The Clinton crime spree continues
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#Television #USA  @television_usa
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Replying to @gatewaypundit
He Had A Dean Man Switch in The Event Of His Death ….. get ready for some revelations to be released ….
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mystery-ak on August 10, 2019, 01:15:24 pm
WOW
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: jmyrlefuller on August 10, 2019, 01:17:12 pm
We all had to know this was coming... now it all gets sealed.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mountaineer on August 10, 2019, 01:17:26 pm
Photofinish @jiwright2

Coincidence that he dies right after two high Democrats are caught and the charge that many more would be revealed. This must not be swept away now, the discovery all names and evidence attached to Epstein must be revealed. Also, all that are connected to Clintons commit suicide?
9:15 AM · Aug 10, 2019·
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Yashar Ali 🐘 @yashar
2. To die by suicide in federal prison, particularly after he attempted it once before, is a massive scandal.
Survivors of Epstein’s predation have been robbed of their right to seek justice.
9:11 AM · Aug 10, 2019
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mystery-ak on August 10, 2019, 01:22:16 pm
We all had to know this was coming... now it all gets sealed.

Ol Billy gets by with another crime..he is untouchable.

A coincidence...yeah right!
Title: Re: Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: skeeter on August 10, 2019, 01:25:08 pm
This seems to show some amazing incompetence at the jail. Who didn't know he was a suicide risk?

Yes but did Epstein know?
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mountaineer on August 10, 2019, 01:25:17 pm
I agree with the Yashar Ali tweet I posted above: prison officials knew he was a suicide risk - he had tried before, supposedly - and this is an extremely high profile case involving high-ranking government officials, a prince, zillionaires. He should have been under constant monitoring. This is the most egregious case of Arkancide yet!
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Sanguine on August 10, 2019, 01:28:15 pm
Amazing...
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: verga on August 10, 2019, 01:30:21 pm
Arkancide has long tentacles.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Wingnut on August 10, 2019, 01:31:03 pm
(https://i2.wp.com/delarroz.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/66358532_1071672159887919_8957239623923269632_n.jpg?resize=476%2C365)

Ol Billy gets by with another crime..he is untouchable.

A coincidence...yeah right!
Title: Re: Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mountaineer on August 10, 2019, 01:31:18 pm
Yes but did Epstein know?
He should have!
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: roamer_1 on August 10, 2019, 01:32:38 pm
@sneakypete

You called it.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mountaineer on August 10, 2019, 01:35:31 pm
Brian Cates  @drawandstrike
17m

Yeah so guy in isolation on suicide watch still manages to somehow kill himself. 
That doesn’t look suspicious at all.

And I’ll note the second successful suicide attempt happens the day after a large amount of Epstein docs were publicly released & the names of several very rich and famous & influential people were named as having willingly had sex with the underage girls Epstein offered them.
9:29 AM · Aug 10, 2019·
Title: Re: Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: catfish1957 on August 10, 2019, 01:39:08 pm
This seems to show some amazing incompetence at the jail. Who didn't know he was a suicide risk?

I seem to remember reading he was ID'ed as a suicide risk. Like I asked on another thread, how does someone on sucide watch, commit suicide?
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: dfwgator on August 10, 2019, 01:39:20 pm
Suicide....Riiiiiiiiight.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Wingnut on August 10, 2019, 01:42:33 pm
If I was the US  Attorney heading this prosecution I would think he/she would demand a top to bottom investigation of the people in charge of the Corrections Facility.   If not, they were in on it also.   
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: roamer_1 on August 10, 2019, 01:47:45 pm
If I was the US  Attorney heading this prosecution I would think he/she would demand a top to bottom investigation of the people in charge of the Corrections Facility.   If not, they were in on it also.

It won't go anywhere... By design.

Considering his high profile, and a previous 'attempt', there ought to be cams monitoring 24/7, and assigned guards at all time. That will not be the case.

Gee, I wonder what could have possibly happened?  *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: catfish1957 on August 10, 2019, 01:48:08 pm
If I was the US  Attorney heading this prosecution I would think he/she would demand a top to bottom investigation of the people in charge of the Corrections Facility.   If not, they were in on it also.

NY AG is a Clinton lackey.  Good luck with that.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: dfwgator on August 10, 2019, 01:58:30 pm
Everyone working in that jail needs to be fired. From the top on down.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: catfish1957 on August 10, 2019, 01:59:53 pm
Everyone working in that jail needs to be fired. From the top on down.

Or, single out thise complicit to murder or endangerment
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: catfish1957 on August 10, 2019, 02:00:58 pm
Suicide....Riiiiiiiiight.

Systems are so well entrenched and in place that the most powerful and corrupt are insulated from prosecution.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Hoodat on August 10, 2019, 02:01:05 pm
If I was the US  Attorney heading this prosecution I would think he/she would demand a top to bottom investigation of the people in charge of the Corrections Facility.   If not, they were in on it also.

The head how this investigation is feeling relief right now that his/her political career is no longer in jeopardy.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: dfwgator on August 10, 2019, 02:01:18 pm
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/U89DzP8NGM4/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mystery-ak on August 10, 2019, 02:07:15 pm
Matthew Yglesias
@mattyglesias
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47m
I am going full conspiracy theory on this, sorry folks.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: dfwgator on August 10, 2019, 02:11:37 pm
Matthew Yglesias
@mattyglesias
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47m
I am going full conspiracy theory on this, sorry folks.

Everyone saw this coming.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Victoria33 on August 10, 2019, 02:22:36 pm
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Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bigun on August 10, 2019, 02:28:19 pm
NY AG is a Clinton lackey.  Good luck with that.

 :yowsa:  pointing-up
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: sneakypete on August 10, 2019, 02:29:26 pm
@sneakypete

You called it.

@roamer_1

That was just Act 1 in this drama.

Act 2 will be the left and the press claiming Trump is responsible.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bigun on August 10, 2019, 02:30:04 pm
Matthew Yglesias
@mattyglesias
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47m
I am going full conspiracy theory on this, sorry folks.

I think we are way beyond theory now where the Clintons are concerned.  The evidence is overwhelming.

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/54b0db6cb6e08aebb31a6464032b16c69c9b8ae0b71951cc65e2f40230237091.jpg)

Posted here March 25, 2019
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: roamer_1 on August 10, 2019, 02:33:30 pm
@roamer_1

That was just Act 1 in this drama.

Act 2 will be the left and the press claiming Trump is responsible.

@sneakypete
LOL! I'll owe you a beer if you called that one.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Applewood on August 10, 2019, 02:35:41 pm
Oh, for crying out loud, not every death in Arkansas, New York or DC was at the hand of the Clintons.  It is quite possible Epstein knew he was toast and didn't relish spending years or even the rest of his life in prison. 
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: sneakypete on August 10, 2019, 02:35:43 pm
Brian Cates  @drawandstrike
17m

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Yeah so guy in isolation on suicide watch still manages to somehow kill himself. 
That doesn’t look suspicious at all.

Not just "a prison",a FEDERAL prison,with better paid guards with more training,and more of them. Also,it is not crowded like the typical NY prisons.

I find it impossible to believe they didn't have him on suicide watch with constant video monitoring,as well as wellness checks at least once an hour by an actual guard.

I am wondering how the feds are going to get away with indicting guards or prison officials with the death,and firing them. It would take a LOT of money to convince a guard or prison official to take the fall "for the team",and if they do find one,I predict that he will also commit "suicide" within a year. "The guilt will just be too much for him to have lived with.",don't cha know?

When there are billionaires,top level political operatives,and even members of the British Royal Family involved,not to mention officials from other nations,names will NOT be named and there will be NO indictments.

Some pigs really ARE more equal than other pigs.
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And I’ll note the second successful suicide attempt happens the day after a large amount of Epstein docs were publicly released & the names of several very rich and famous & influential people were named as having willingly had sex with the underage girls Epstein offered them.
9:29 AM · Aug 10, 2019·


Am sure that is just a coinkydink that is in NO way related to to massive influx of funds into various Clinton accounts.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Applewood on August 10, 2019, 02:37:55 pm
I think we are way beyond theory now where the Clintons are concerned.  The evidence is overwhelming.

What evidence?  All I've seen are conspiracy theories and a lot of guessing from people with overactive imaginations and too much time on their hands.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: dfwgator on August 10, 2019, 02:38:20 pm
Oh, for crying out loud, not every death in Arkansas, New York or DC was at the hand of the Clintons.   

Just the ones of the people who got in their way.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Applewood on August 10, 2019, 02:40:07 pm
Just the ones of the people who got in their way.

For most of the conspiracy theories I've heard, the connection of the deceased to the Clintons was tenuous at best.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: jmyrlefuller on August 10, 2019, 02:43:01 pm
Oh, for crying out loud, not every death in Arkansas, New York or DC was at the hand of the Clintons.  It is quite possible Epstein knew he was toast and didn't relish spending years or even the rest of his life in prison.
Oh, he had secrets that he was willing to take to the grave. Of that I'm sure, and I'm equally certain that it factored into his decision.

Clintons? Arkancide? Maybe, maybe not. But it's still fun watching the left's heads explode over the possibility and scream "THE RUSSIANS! THEY'RE THE ONES PROMOTING THIS!!1" They just can't grasp the notion of people coming to their own conclusions.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: libertybele on August 10, 2019, 02:48:55 pm
I think we are way beyond theory now where the Clintons are concerned.  The evidence is overwhelming.

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/54b0db6cb6e08aebb31a6464032b16c69c9b8ae0b71951cc65e2f40230237091.jpg)

Posted here March 25, 2019

Evidence will be buried, Epstein will be disposed of and this issue will be dropped and forgotten along with everyone involved.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bigun on August 10, 2019, 02:49:26 pm
What evidence?  All I've seen are conspiracy theories and a lot of guessing from people with overactive imaginations and too much time on their hands.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/8303/how-many-clinton-associates-have-died-over-years-aaron-bandler (https://www.dailywire.com/news/8303/how-many-clinton-associates-have-died-over-years-aaron-bandler)

https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/4dd24i/mysterious_deaths_surround_hillary_and_bill/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/4dd24i/mysterious_deaths_surround_hillary_and_bill/)

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCGW033-82c#)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: libertybele on August 10, 2019, 02:52:36 pm
Oh, for crying out loud, not every death in Arkansas, New York or DC was at the hand of the Clintons.  It is quite possible Epstein knew he was toast and didn't relish spending years or even the rest of his life in prison.

You are correct, the Clinton's themselves don't do their own dirty work they have it done for them. The Clintons are only responsible for the deaths of those that could possibly implicate them and cause them to wear orange jumpsuits.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: dfwgator on August 10, 2019, 02:53:38 pm
Brian Cates  @drawandstrike
17m

Yeah so guy in isolation on suicide watch still manages to somehow kill himself. 
That doesn’t look suspicious at all.
 

"You had ONE job!"
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: sneakypete on August 10, 2019, 02:58:10 pm
If I was the US  Attorney heading this prosecution I would think he/she would demand a top to bottom investigation of the people in charge of the Corrections Facility.   If not, they were in on it also.

@The Ghost

If you were the US Attorney in charge of this case,you would have woken this morning to find your family cat nailed to your door,and to messages from relatives saying someone had threatened their children.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: dfwgator on August 10, 2019, 02:59:38 pm
@The Ghost

If you were the US Attorney in charge of this case,you would have woken this morning to find your family cat nailed to your door,and to messages from relatives saying someone had threatened their children.

Hope they don't own any racehorses.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: sneakypete on August 10, 2019, 03:00:35 pm
Matthew Yglesias
@mattyglesias
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47m
I am going full conspiracy theory on this, sorry folks.

@mystery-ak

Is it still considered to be a conspiracy THEORY when EVERYONE with 2 IQ points to rub together know it was murder?

If it looks like a duck,walks like a duck,and quacks like a duck,it's a freaking duck!
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Applewood on August 10, 2019, 03:00:59 pm
@Bigun   I trust the Daily Wire more than I would trust Reddit. 
Title: Re: Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: NavyCanDo on August 10, 2019, 03:01:31 pm
This seems to show some amazing incompetence at the jail. Who didn't know he was a suicide risk?

I watched ABC News last night who said he was under suicide watch. Wouldn't want to be the person assigned that responsibility.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bigun on August 10, 2019, 03:02:22 pm
@The Ghost

If you were the US Attorney in charge of this case,you would have woken this morning to find your family cat nailed to your door,and to messages from relatives saying someone had threatened their children.

IIRC one of the first things Slick Willie did as president was fire every single U.S. Attorney so that he could replace them with his own people.
Title: Re: Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: jmyrlefuller on August 10, 2019, 03:07:52 pm
I watched ABC News last night who said he was under suicide watch. Wouldn't want to be the person assigned that responsibility.
(flatly) "oh. no. he killed himself. i'm shocked. what a tragedy. i never saw it coming."
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: sneakypete on August 10, 2019, 03:07:53 pm
IIRC one of the first things Slick Willie did as president was fire every single U.S. Attorney so that he could replace them with his own people.

@Bigun

I do believe you are right,and IMNSHO,that had a lot to do with none of the Clinton associates "suicides" were ever questioned by a federal court.

I also vaguely remember at least one instance where a woman who claimed to have been raped by Clinton woke up one morning to find her family cat nailed to her front door.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: rustynail on August 10, 2019, 03:07:53 pm
Cremated today?
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Applewood on August 10, 2019, 03:09:00 pm
Oh, he had secrets that he was willing to take to the grave. Of that I'm sure, and I'm equally certain that it factored into his decision.

Clintons? Arkancide? Maybe, maybe not. But it's still fun watching the left's heads explode over the possibility and scream "THE RUSSIANS! THEY'RE THE ONES PROMOTING THIS!!1" They just can't grasp the notion of people coming to their own conclusions.

Until someone shows me actual proof that this was not a suicide by Epstein's own hand, I'm not going to waste my time on all this speculation.  Did enough of that when Andrew Breitbart died.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: jmyrlefuller on August 10, 2019, 03:10:29 pm
Cremated today?
Maybe put on a Navy boat and buried at sea.
Title: Re: Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: sneakypete on August 10, 2019, 03:12:11 pm
I watched ABC News last night who said he was under suicide watch. Wouldn't want to be the person assigned that responsibility.

@NavyCanDo

I guess that could have been a good thing,or a bad thing. Depending on how much you wanted a beach-front house in Acapulco. SOMEBODY has to take the fall,and it damn sure ain't going to be one of the wealthy players.

Whoever it is that wins this lottery had better be damn careful about getting in,or even near the water,though. It would really suck to come into that lifestyle,and then die in a tragic shark attack,drowning,etc,etc,etc.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bill Cipher on August 10, 2019, 03:14:13 pm
Now I see where all the tinfoil went today. 
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bigun on August 10, 2019, 03:16:27 pm
@Bigun

I do believe you are right,and IMNSHO,that had a lot to do with none of the Clinton associates "suicides" were ever questioned by a federal court.

I also vaguely remember at least one instance where a woman who claimed to have been raped by Clinton woke up one morning to find her family cat nailed to her front door.

Yep! And coincidentally ALL of the court records pertaining to the Whitewater land deal just happened to be contained in  a no longer in existence federal building in Oklahoma City.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: EdJames on August 10, 2019, 03:23:05 pm
Probably a simple explanation, the guards misunderstood “suicide watch,” they said this morning: “Yes sir, we watched him commit suicide, that was the order, right?”
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bigun on August 10, 2019, 03:24:46 pm
Until someone shows me actual proof that this was not a suicide by Epstein's own hand, I'm not going to waste my time on all this speculation.  Did enough of that when Andrew Breitbart died.

Let me ask you a question in all seriousness @Applewood.  Let's say you are president of the united states and have the entire resources of fedgov at hand when your life long friend and personal attorney is found dead in Ft. Marcy Park under mysterious circumstances, are you going to allow that to be investigated by the friggin PARK POLICE?
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: sneakypete on August 10, 2019, 03:27:30 pm
Yep! And coincidentally ALL of the court records pertaining to the Whitewater land deal just happened to be contained in  a no longer in existence federal building in Oklahoma City.

@Bigun

Remember the saying "It's better to be lucky than smart"?

Sometimes its better be lucky AND smart (Bubba,NOT Bubbette!).

I am curious if it will EVER occur to her than she has always played "Hardy" to Bubba's "Stan"? He married her so she could serve as the "sponge" that took all the hits initially aimed at  him,and to be the family "baglady".
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bigun on August 10, 2019, 03:29:24 pm

I don’t really subscribe to them, but there were at least 3 people who were real threats to them - Vince Foster, Jim McDougal, and Jeffery Epstein. Two died in prison. Two were suicides.

(http://cashill.com/images/brown_xray03.gif)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: truth_seeker on August 10, 2019, 03:32:08 pm
1. Great timing. August is a slow news month.

2. Alleged co-perps will be off the hook; Clinton, Dersch, BillRichardson, Prince of Englznd, Wexner.

3. The female victims' will continue civil llawsuits, versus his estate. Their words, versus no word.

4. A few NYC police/guards get paid.


It is a VERY BIG WIN ALL AROUND






 
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Applewood on August 10, 2019, 03:37:10 pm
@Bigun
@edpc

Then there is this:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1998-01-11-9801110008-story.html (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1998-01-11-9801110008-story.html)


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Col. William T. Gormley, the Air Force pathologist who did examine Brown's body, ordered additional X-rays after finding the head injury. As for the hole that looks like a gunshot wound, closer examination revealed no bullet, no bone fragments, no metal fragments and, even more telling, no exit wound.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bigun on August 10, 2019, 03:40:47 pm
@Bigun
@edpc

Then there is this:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1998-01-11-9801110008-story.html (https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1998-01-11-9801110008-story.html)

Right!  A perfect description of the damage an ice bullet would cause.  An Ice bullet is what would be used to assassinate someone without leaving any forensic evidence that can be traced to anything.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Applewood on August 10, 2019, 03:43:03 pm
Let me ask you a question in all seriousness @Applewood.  Let's say you are president of the united states and have the entire resources of fedgov at hand when your life long friend and personal attorney is found dead in Ft. Marcy Park under mysterious circumstances, are you going to allow that to be investigated by the friggin PARK POLICE?

According to the Daily Wire, there were 3 separate investigations of Vince Foster's death and they all concluded it was a suicide.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/8303/how-many-clinton-associates-have-died-over-years-aaron-bandler (https://www.dailywire.com/news/8303/how-many-clinton-associates-have-died-over-years-aaron-bandler)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bigun on August 10, 2019, 03:44:06 pm
Oklahoma City Bomb Report

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/PARTIN/okm.htm (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/PARTIN/okm.htm)

It's all good but you should pay particular attention to this part: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/PARTIN/ok9.htm (http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/PARTIN/ok9.htm)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Applewood on August 10, 2019, 03:46:03 pm
Right!  A perfect description of the damage an ice bullet would cause.  An Ice bullet is what would be used to assassinate someone without leaving any forensic evidence that can be traced to anything.

Well, I never heard of ice bullets, so I looked them up and found this"

https://guncarrier.com/ice-bullets-shooting/

Looks like they aren't practical for shooting someone.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: catfish1957 on August 10, 2019, 03:46:23 pm
Everyone saw this coming.

IF it was not an obvious self inflicted suicide, I hope the best tox screening money can buy is used during the autopsy.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bigun on August 10, 2019, 03:46:54 pm
According to the Daily Wire, there were 3 separate investigations of Vince Foster's death and they all concluded it was a suicide.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/8303/how-many-clinton-associates-have-died-over-years-aaron-bandler (https://www.dailywire.com/news/8303/how-many-clinton-associates-have-died-over-years-aaron-bandler)

Sure there were and sure they did!  You have every right to choose to remain blind. Be my guest!
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bigun on August 10, 2019, 03:48:43 pm
Well, I never heard of ice bullets, so I looked them up and found this"

https://guncarrier.com/ice-bullets-shooting/

Looks like they aren't practical for shooting someone.

Right!  That's the story.  Would you allow me to put a .45 loaded with one to the top of your head and pull the trigger?
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: catfish1957 on August 10, 2019, 03:49:08 pm
According to the Daily Wire, there were 3 separate investigations of Vince Foster's death and they all concluded it was a suicide.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/8303/how-many-clinton-associates-have-died-over-years-aaron-bandler (https://www.dailywire.com/news/8303/how-many-clinton-associates-have-died-over-years-aaron-bandler)

Okay, I'll play along.  Explain a scenario that a person under suicide watch in a federal prison dies of suicide?
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: truth_seeker on August 10, 2019, 03:50:04 pm
Probably a simple explanation, the guards misunderstood “suicide watch,” they said this morning: “Yes sir, we watched him commit suicide, that was the order, right?”

Maybe the botched attempt recently, was a rehearsal. Work out any bugs.  Make sure any holdouts, are on board.

It tookawhile for all those lawyers and officials, to get their plans in order and agreed.

Jeffrey was on board, one way or the other.

I wonder who the holdouts were, if any?

Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Applewood on August 10, 2019, 03:53:38 pm
Sure there were and sure they did!  You have every right to choose to remain blind. Be my guest!

My point is that there were 3 investigations, not just one.  I don't know who all investigated and am too lazy to look it up right now.  But it seems to me that if three separate investigations came to the same conclusion. their findings would be more reliable than some people speculating with no actual proof offered.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Applewood on August 10, 2019, 03:55:03 pm
Right!  That's the story.  Would you allow me to put a .45 loaded with one to the top of your head and pull the trigger?

Just going by what people who presumably know more about these things than I do are saying. 
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bigun on August 10, 2019, 03:55:31 pm
My point is that there were 3 investigations, not just one.  I don't know who all investigated and am too lazy to look it up right now.  But it seems to me that if three separate investigations came to the same conclusion. their findings would be more reliable than some people speculating with no actual proof offered.

And as I said previously, you are perfectly free to remain blind if you so choose.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bill Cipher on August 10, 2019, 03:56:14 pm
Right!  That's the story.  Would you allow me to put a .45 loaded with one to the top of your head and pull the trigger?

Sure.  Then I’ll get up afterward and beat the living shit out of you because it’ll sting like hell, and I’ll probably get some superficial skin burns from the powder, but otherwise, it won’t even damage the bone. 
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bigun on August 10, 2019, 03:59:31 pm
Sure.  Then I’ll get up afterward and beat the living shit out of you because it’ll sting like hell, and I’ll probably get some superficial skin burns from the powder, but otherwise, it won’t even damage the bone.

Right!
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Applewood on August 10, 2019, 04:00:00 pm
Okay, I'll play along.  Explain a scenario that a person under suicide watch in a federal prison dies of suicide?

There is such a thing as incompetence -- someone who was supposed to be watching didn't.  Also, when did the hanging occur?  Was it during a changing of the guard?  How long does it take for death to occur by hanging? 

A lot of questions, but I will wait for the investigation to conclude.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bill Cipher on August 10, 2019, 04:01:44 pm
Right!


Come on, internet cowboy.  Afraid of getting your ass handed to you. 
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Applewood on August 10, 2019, 04:03:06 pm
And as I said previously, you are perfectly free to remain blind if you so choose.

Blind to what?  Speculation without any real proof? 

Trust me, if there was some hard evidence that these deaths were murders committed by the Clintons or their associates, I'd be screaming as much as you and others are doing.  But I'm not going to believe anything without real evidence. 
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: austingirl on August 10, 2019, 04:05:36 pm
#clintonbodycount is trending ontwitter. Just sayin'. wink777
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Victoria33 on August 10, 2019, 04:07:05 pm
@roamer_1

Don't do an autopsy sure to find he died from a substance injected into his body - don't look for a needle puncture, say, between his toes which may be where the needle was inserted.  After death, he was hung up with whatever that was, to indicate he hanged himself.  If there was a camera going, it was turned off for a brief time long enough to inject him, turned back on and when he was dead, turn it off a brief time to hang his body, then turn it back on.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mountaineer on August 10, 2019, 04:07:05 pm
Macho posturing not necessary here.

Hey, has anyone checked Clinton bank accounts for recent large withdrawals? ;)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: dfwgator on August 10, 2019, 04:07:28 pm
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Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: catfish1957 on August 10, 2019, 04:08:45 pm
There is such a thing as incompetence -- someone who was supposed to be watching didn't.  Also, when did the hanging occur?  Was it during a changing of the guard?  How long does it take for death to occur by hanging? 

A lot of questions, but I will wait for the investigation to conclude.

Incompetence?  If this was County Lock Up, I'd say there was some plausibility, but (I looked up) these guys (Fed Correctional) make an average of $51K/year, and I'd venture are substantially more professional than the norm.

I don't buy it.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bigun on August 10, 2019, 04:10:03 pm
@roamer_1

Don't do an autopsy sure to find he died from a substance injected into his body - don't look for a needle puncture, say, between his toes which may be where the needle was inserted.  After death, he was hung up with whatever that was, to indicate he hanged himself.  If there was a camera going, it was turned off for a brief time long enough to inject him, turned back on and when he was dead, turn it off a brief time to hang his body, then turn it back on.

It can get much more sophisticated than that and, after a few hours, they can do all the autopsies they like and never find a thing.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: dfwgator on August 10, 2019, 04:10:24 pm
Just going by what people who presumably know more about these things than I do are saying.

"The Science is Settled!"
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bigun on August 10, 2019, 04:11:17 pm
"The Science is Settled!"

Yes!  Of course!
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Wingnut on August 10, 2019, 04:12:24 pm
Hope they don't own any racehorses.

When flowers simply won't do...

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/8nyON_VDIhw/hqdefault.jpg)

send a fish.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: LadyLiberty on August 10, 2019, 04:16:37 pm


Adam Klasfeld
@KlasfeldReports
·
2h
First reaction: There should be hearings as to how this was allowed to happen to a key witness in an investigation involving a global sex-trafficking conspiracy.

Adam Klasfeld
@KlasfeldReports
Second reaction: A former federal prosecutor informs me about this secord-order effect in terms of legal procedure.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBnQ_ZmX4AEZpTd?format=jpg&name=small)
8:56 AM · Aug 10, 2019·
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bigun on August 10, 2019, 04:16:46 pm
Come on, internet cowboy.  Afraid of getting your ass handed to you.


 :rolling: :rolling: :rolling:  I'm no longer afraid of much of anything, least of all you handing me my ass!
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Applewood on August 10, 2019, 04:17:44 pm
Incompetence?  If this was County Lock Up, I'd say there was some plausibility, but (I looked up) these guys (Fed Correctional) make an average of $51K/year, and I'd venture are substantially more professional than the norm.

I don't buy it.

I've known some well paid people in real life who can't or won't do their jobs.  Money doesn't necessarily buy competence. 

And by the way, are the guards at these federal lockups unionized?  Asking because unions have been known to protect the jobs of people who don't know their rear ends from a hole in the ground.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: jmyrlefuller on August 10, 2019, 04:21:13 pm
Incompetence?  If this was County Lock Up, I'd say there was some plausibility, but (I looked up) these guys (Fed Correctional) make an average of $51K/year, and I'd venture are substantially more professional than the norm.

I don't buy it.
$51K isn't that much in Manhattan.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: roamer_1 on August 10, 2019, 04:29:09 pm
Don't do an autopsy sure to find he died from a substance injected into his body - don't look for a needle puncture, say, between his toes which may be where the needle was inserted.  After death, he was hung up with whatever that was, to indicate he hanged himself.  If there was a camera going, it was turned off for a brief time long enough to inject him, turned back on and when he was dead, turn it off a brief time to hang his body, then turn it back on.

@Victoria33
It doesn't matter HOW.
It will get jacked up out of the normal system. Autopsies do not matter because they'll have their own do the autopsy anyhow, and the autopsy will say anything they need it to... Evidence will go missing... Then the pedo evidence will go missing too, and the whole thing will go down the memory hole. And the hot potato won't be in anybody's hand, and no one will know how it wound up in the middle of the floor.

Watch and see.

 
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: GtHawk on August 10, 2019, 04:31:23 pm
Suicide....Riiiiiiiiight.
I think I see the problem with the report, they left out a 'd', it should have read 'effrey Epstein dies by suicided in Manhattan jail'
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Applewood on August 10, 2019, 04:37:08 pm
@LadyLiberty

So if the federal prosecutor is correct about the search warrant, then any case against Billy Bob and the other possible defendants could still  go forward.  So what would the Clintons or their associates gain by murdering Epstein?
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: LadyLiberty on August 10, 2019, 04:46:56 pm
@LadyLiberty

So if the federal prosecutor is correct about the search warrant, then any case against Billy Bob and the other possible defendants could still  go forward.  So what would the Clintons or their associates gain by murdering Epstein?

Apparently it could go forward, but I'm not holding my breath.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Applewood on August 10, 2019, 04:47:07 pm
FWIW:  The Daily Mail's report on Epstein's death:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7344181/Billionaire-Jeffrey-Epstein-dies-suicide-inside-Manhattan-jail-cell.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7344181/Billionaire-Jeffrey-Epstein-dies-suicide-inside-Manhattan-jail-cell.html)

By the way, the New York Times is saying this about the suicide watch:

Quote
It was not immediately clear on Saturday whether Mr. Epstein was under suicide watch or whether the authorities had put in additional safeguards after the earlier incident.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/jeffrey-epstein-commits-suicide-at-manhattan-jail-officials-say/ar-AAFCxx5?ocid=spartanntp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/jeffrey-epstein-commits-suicide-at-manhattan-jail-officials-say/ar-AAFCxx5?ocid=spartanntp)


Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mountaineer on August 10, 2019, 04:49:12 pm
Sharyl Attkisson  🕵️‍♂️ @SharylAttkisson
(I think/suspect) Whoever allowed Epstein's death 1. Feels protected. 2. Would rather be caught for that -- than for Epstein to give more info on what he knows. What do you think?
10:13 AM · Aug 10, 2019·
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: FeelNoPain on August 10, 2019, 04:50:14 pm
@LadyLiberty

So if the federal prosecutor is correct about the search warrant, then any case against Billy Bob and the other possible defendants could still  go forward.  So what would the Clintons or their associates gain by murdering Epstein?
I hope that someone who believes in the Clinton involvement can help me with:
   1. How is the Clintons grasp still so powerful that they are capable of this so many years removed from the presidency?
   2. Aren't Trump/Barr in charge of the Justice Department/Federal Prison System (and keeping Epstein alive)?
   3. Is it being implied that Trump/Barr are complicit or incompetent?
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: FeelNoPain on August 10, 2019, 05:02:54 pm
#clintonbodycount is trending ontwitter. Just sayin'. wink777

As is #trumpbodycount. Never heard that one before.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: LadyLiberty on August 10, 2019, 05:15:12 pm
I hope that someone who believes in the Clinton involvement can help me with:
   1. How is the Clintons grasp still so powerful that they are capable of this so many years removed from the presidency?
   2. Aren't Trump/Barr in charge of the Justice Department/Federal Prison System (and keeping Epstein alive)?
   3. Is it being implied that Trump/Barr are complicit or incompetent?

According to the daily mail article that Applewood linked to:

Quote
However, he was taken off such a watch before he took his own life on Saturday morning.

That revelation has sparked outrage from Attorney General William Barr who has vowed to look into the circumstances surrounding Epstein's suicide.

'His death raises serious questions that must be answered,' he said in a statement on Saturday afternoon.

'In addition to the FBI's investigation, I have consulted with the Inspector General who is opening an investigation into the circumstances of the death'.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: sneakypete on August 10, 2019, 05:16:11 pm
Right!  That's the story.  Would you allow me to put a .45 loaded with one to the top of your head and pull the trigger?

@Bigun

Bad example.

A center fire handgun round that is a blank will kill you if the barrel isn't plugged and ported behind the plug if it is placed directly against your head and the gun is fired.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: sneakypete on August 10, 2019, 05:25:16 pm
And as I said previously, you are perfectly free to remain blind if you so choose.

@Applewood   @Bigun

IF there was any tampering with the evidence,The ONLY investigation that had all the evidence was the first one.

Even then that is assuming the first responders or someone else didn't remove evidence or tamper with the investigation in some way.

Anything after the first investigation is just the government giving everybody a free handjob to make them feel good because the government is "doing something".
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: sneakypete on August 10, 2019, 05:26:49 pm
Sure.  Then I’ll get up afterward and beat the living shit out of you because it’ll sting like hell, and I’ll probably get some superficial skin burns from the powder, but otherwise, it won’t even damage the bone.

@Bill Cipher

No,you will die from the hot expanding gasses blowing a hole through your skull.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: sneakypete on August 10, 2019, 05:29:23 pm
Macho posturing not necessary here.

Hey, has anyone checked Clinton bank accounts for recent large withdrawals? ;)

@mountaineer

ROFLMAO! Bubba is most likely the only one on the planet that knows where they all are,what names they are under,and the pass codes.

I am sure Bubbette! thinks she knows them all,but she has never been as smart as she thinks she is.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: sneakypete on August 10, 2019, 05:31:43 pm

Adam Klasfeld
@KlasfeldReports
·
2h
First reaction: There should be hearings as to how this was allowed to happen to a key witness in an investigation involving a global sex-trafficking conspiracy.

Adam Klasfeld
@KlasfeldReports
Second reaction: A former federal prosecutor informs me about this secord-order effect in terms of legal procedure.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBnQ_ZmX4AEZpTd?format=jpg&name=small)
8:56 AM · Aug 10, 2019·

@LadyLiberty

Doesn't seem likely to me. I suspect that all depends on the judge.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 10, 2019, 05:42:01 pm
(https://i.imgur.com/02x55KV.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: sneakypete on August 10, 2019, 05:42:07 pm
Quote
I hope that someone who believes in the Clinton involvement can help me with:
   1. How is the Clintons grasp still so powerful that they are capable of this so many years removed from the presidency?

@FeelNoPain

1: 1,000+ missing FBI "raw" background files on prominent politicians,businessmen,and their families that went missing after Hillary refused to hand them back when leaving the White House. She was never supposed to have access to them to start with,so the FEEBS didn't want to make a big deal out of her keeping them.

2: Billions of dollars in various  bank accounts,and Bubbette's desire to be the First Female President.  Don't laugh,she is just waiting for the herd to thin itself down before she jumps into the race to "save America from the Nazi's!"

 
Quote
  2. Aren't Trump/Barr in charge of the Justice Department/Federal Prison System (and keeping Epstein alive)?

What the HELL does that have to do with anything? Are you so delusional you think they hired all the employees at that prison,and know them well enough to order something like this done?

More importantly,WHY would they want this stopped? The Epstein investigation only endangered the Dims.

 
Quote
  3. Is it being implied that Trump/Barr are complicit or incompetent?

Sure it is. Every left-wing lunatic in the country and most of the ones not in the country are claiming it because even THEY know the Dims are behind it.
 
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 10, 2019, 05:43:47 pm
Quote
Rudy Giuliani @RudyGiuliani

What does the word suicide mean in the phrase suicide WATCH?

 Who was watching?

 Did they fall asleep?

 Did the camera malfunction?

 Was there camera surveillance?

 Who was he about to implicate?

 This is very questionable.

Committing suicide on suicide watch doesn't happen.

8:30 AM · Aug 10, 2019
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mountaineer on August 10, 2019, 05:52:06 pm
As is #trumpbodycount. Never heard that one before.
Twitter made up #trumpbodycount and is pushing it over the actual hashtag.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 10, 2019, 06:02:55 pm
Quote
Epstein reportedly not on suicide watch at time of death
Washington Examiner, Jul 10, 2019

Multiple sources told NBC News on Saturday that Epstein was not under suicide watch at the time of his death, though he had reportedly attempted to injure himself in July. Epstein was found in a cell on July 24 semiconscious in the fetal position with marks on his neck. No official word about the cause of the injury was released.

Reports in July indicated that Epstein had been on suicide watch after the incident, but sources now say that he was not.

Epstein's death came just a day after 2,000 pages of documents were filed, revealing several names of high-profile people involved in Epstein's alleged crimes. The documents also provided further details of the crimes that allegedly took place between 2002 and 2005 that involved sexual abuse and trafficking in multiple locations.

Senior law enforcement officials reported that Epstein's death would be investigated by the FBI, which is not typical of prison suicide deaths.


More:  https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/epstein-reportedly-not-on-suicide-watch-at-time-of-death (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/epstein-reportedly-not-on-suicide-watch-at-time-of-death)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: libertybele on August 10, 2019, 06:04:48 pm


No worries.  His death will  be investigated by the FBI.  *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: jmyrlefuller on August 10, 2019, 06:06:15 pm
Twitter made up #trumpbodycount and is pushing it over the actual hashtag.
Sounds like the work of left-wing übertroll Scott Dworkin.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: EdJames on August 10, 2019, 06:08:14 pm
No worries.  His death will  be investigated by the FBI.  *****rollingeyes*****

F_B conclusion:  Botched robbery attempt.

Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: sneakypete on August 10, 2019, 06:09:53 pm
Twitter made up #trumpbodycount and is pushing it over the actual hashtag.

@mountaineer

Twitter is for Twits,pass it on.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mountaineer on August 10, 2019, 06:10:09 pm
F_B conclusion:  Botched robbery attempt.
Yes, I've seen on Twitter, some comparisons to the Seth Rich case.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Victoria33 on August 10, 2019, 06:13:02 pm
@mystery-ak
@roamer_1

From the New York Times (my cap):

"Mr. Epstein had been on suicide watch after he was found injured on July 23 and received a daily psychiatric evaluation, according to a person familiar with his detention. He was REMOVED FROM SUICIDE WATCH on July 29 and returned to the special housing unit, a segregated area of the prison with extra security, this person said.

The authorities did not immediately explain why he was taken off suicide watch. The F.B.I. said it was investigating, and Attorney General William P. Barr said in a statement that a special inquiry would be opened into what had happened.

“I was appalled to learn that Jeffrey Epstein was found dead early this morning from an apparent suicide while in federal custody,” Mr. Barr said. “Mr. Epstein’s death raises serious questions that must be answered. In addition to the FBI’s investigation, I have consulted with the Inspector General who is opening an investigation into the circumstances of Mr. Epstein’s death.”"
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: LadyLiberty on August 10, 2019, 06:23:57 pm
What went over my head yesterday was that the documents that were unsealed yesterday were related to a lawsuit filed against "madam" Maxwell by one of the victims. Epstein's death won't stop this case from moving forward, and the only person with standing to keep further evidence sealed in now dead.  I wonder if Maxwell will be the next "suicide" victim?
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Applewood on August 10, 2019, 06:25:09 pm
@Victoria33

Thank you for the update.  Earlier, the Times said it was unclear whether Epstein was on a suicide watch.

And I would like to believe that with William Barr in charge, there won't be a whitewashing and burial of evidence, as some conspiracy theory believers fear. 
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: truth_seeker on August 10, 2019, 06:26:17 pm


Did the camera malfunction?

 Was there camera surveillance?

There should be video playbacks, right?
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on August 10, 2019, 06:31:34 pm
Did the camera malfunction?

 Was there camera surveillance?

There should be video playbacks, right?

According to a report in the Washington Examiner (posted above) there wasn't a suicide watch on Epstein so surveillance seems unlikely @truth_seeker
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: TomSea on August 10, 2019, 06:32:44 pm
El Chapo was under CCTV but it didn't capture his escape hatch when he escaped about 5 years ago.

This was a prison Epstein was at so I suspect there were metal detectors and locked gates under CCTV as well.  There should be a clue somewhere. His cell may have had CCTV as well, someone said it did though, I don't know if that is true. I could think something should have been there along with the corridors at the prison being under CCTV.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Applewood on August 10, 2019, 06:33:31 pm
@Applewood   @Bigun

IF there was any tampering with the evidence,The ONLY investigation that had all the evidence was the first one.

Even then that is assuming the first responders or someone else didn't remove evidence or tamper with the investigation in some way.

Anything after the first investigation is just the government giving everybody a free handjob to make them feel good because the government is "doing something".

@sneakypete

So then I guess you think the separate investigations of Epstein's death today will be a whitewashing. 

Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mystery-ak on August 10, 2019, 06:34:26 pm
Epstein wasn't on suicide watch at time of his death: reports
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/456960-epstein-wasnt-on-suicide-watch-at-time-of-his-death-reports
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mystery-ak on August 10, 2019, 06:36:38 pm
FBI investigating Epstein death in Manhattan jail
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/456957-fbi-investigating-epstein-death-in-manhattan-jail
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mystery-ak on August 10, 2019, 06:37:48 pm
Epstein wasn't on suicide watch at time of his death: reports
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/456960-epstein-wasnt-on-suicide-watch-at-time-of-his-death-reports

Two weeks ago he attempted suicide...then take him off suicide watch...okayyyy
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: EdJames on August 10, 2019, 06:39:18 pm
What went over my head yesterday was that the documents that were unsealed yesterday were related to a lawsuit filed against "madam" Maxwell by one of the victims. Epstein's death won't stop this case from moving forward, and the only person with standing to keep further evidence sealed in now dead.  I wonder if Maxwell will be the next "suicide" victim?

I'm pretty sure that Maxwell settled that case (paid out millions) a couple of years ago.  (It was a defamation suit filed by Virginia Giuffre.)

The reason that they documents are starting to come up is that Dershowitz and a couple of others have sued to have them unsealed.  Maxwell has been fighting against having them unsealed.

Also, the documents that came out yesterday are only a portion of the full set.  Unclear if/when more will be unsealed.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: XenaLee on August 10, 2019, 06:40:31 pm
Until someone shows me actual proof that this was not a suicide by Epstein's own hand, I'm not going to waste my time on all this speculation.  Did enough of that when Andrew Breitbart died.

How about Scalia's death?   Did you waste time on his? 

Show me a list of "unusual", if not conveniently timed, deaths of all those whose pending testimony or what they knew threatened high-level Republicans, please.  I'll wait.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bill Cipher on August 10, 2019, 06:50:45 pm
@Bill Cipher

No,you will die from the hot expanding gasses blowing a hole through your skull.

Doubt it. 
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: XenaLee on August 10, 2019, 06:51:23 pm
According to the daily mail article that Applewood linked to:

Quote
However, he was taken off such a watch before he took his own life on Saturday morning.

That revelation has sparked outrage from Attorney General William Barr who has vowed to look into the circumstances surrounding Epstein's suicide.

'His death raises serious questions that must be answered,' he said in a statement on Saturday afternoon.

'In addition to the FBI's investigation, I have consulted with the Inspector General who is opening an investigation into the circumstances of the death'.

Question is... is that fake outrage?  One has to wonder....

has Barr merely played his part?   I don't see anyone behind bars.

Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: bigheadfred on August 10, 2019, 06:51:49 pm
@Bigun

Bad example.

A center fire handgun round that is a blank will kill you if the barrel isn't plugged and ported behind the plug if it is placed directly against your head and the gun is fired.

Seems I heard of an actor that died on set from that very thing.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bill Cipher on August 10, 2019, 06:51:56 pm
So much tinfoil wasted. 
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: sneakypete on August 10, 2019, 06:53:41 pm
@sneakypete

So then I guess you think the separate investigations of Epstein's death today will be a whitewashing.

@Applewood

Not really. How can it be a whitewashing when evidence is missing and/or altered?

We will know how serious this is when the dust has settled. If nobody from the prison is facing trial,it was a whitewash. If someone does go on trial and gets probation and a fine it was a whitewashing.

MY thoughts are the final finding is going to say "inconclusive". The mushy middle,where nobody is right,and nobody is wrong.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: bigheadfred on August 10, 2019, 06:55:07 pm
I kinda feel sorry for all those potential jurors who will never get the chance to become millionaires.

I'm shedding no tears he is dead.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: sneakypete on August 10, 2019, 06:56:08 pm
Epstein wasn't on suicide watch at time of his death: reports
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/456960-epstein-wasnt-on-suicide-watch-at-time-of-his-death-reports

@mystery-ak

Which raises the obvious questions of "WHY?",and "Who ordered him taken off suicide watch?"
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: EdJames on August 10, 2019, 06:59:08 pm
Question is... is that fake outrage?  One has to wonder....

Quote
'In addition to the FBI's investigation, I have consulted with the Inspector General who is opening an investigation into the circumstances of the death'.

has Barr merely played his part?   I don't see anyone behind bars.

Well, if it is a typical IG report, we will probably learn:  Mistakes were made, we see no evidence that anyone acted with any intention to break any laws.  We recommend a comprehensive training program be instituted and will create an inter-agency panel to review the progress and results.  There are no recommendations for prosecution. 

And we will see it sometime in mid-2021!!
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: sneakypete on August 10, 2019, 07:02:27 pm
has Barr merely played his part?   I don't see anyone behind bars.


Well, if it is a typical IG report, we will probably learn:  Mistakes were made, we see no evidence that anyone acted with any intention to break any laws.  We recommend a comprehensive training program be instituted and will create an inter-agency panel to review the progress and results.  There are no recommendations for prosecution. 

And we will see it sometime in mid-2021!!

@EdJames

You are clearly a psychic.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: EdJames on August 10, 2019, 07:04:42 pm
@EdJames

You are clearly a psychic.

@sneakypete


Ehhh, I spell it "cynic!"
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: XenaLee on August 10, 2019, 07:05:11 pm
has Barr merely played his part?   I don't see anyone behind bars.


Well, if it is a typical IG report, we will probably learn:  Mistakes were made, we see no evidence that anyone acted with any intention to break any laws.  We recommend a comprehensive training program be instituted and will create an inter-agency panel to review the progress and results.  There are no recommendations for prosecution. 

And we will see it sometime in mid-2021!!

Wouldn't surprise me in the least.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: corbe on August 10, 2019, 07:08:16 pm
 
Quote
Rod Rosenstein
 âœ”  @RodRosenstein 

Pedophiles facing federal criminal charges are at high risk for suicide. It happened in several of my Maryland cases when defendants were released on bail. Detained pedophiles require special attention. Stopping people from harming themselves is difficult. https://www.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/73_2_5_0.pdf (https://www.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/73_2_5_0.pdf) …

 1,611 
11:35 AM - Aug 10, 2019
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: bigheadfred on August 10, 2019, 07:10:53 pm


Not that difficult when no one is looking or trying to stop you.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mystery-ak on August 10, 2019, 07:17:23 pm
Sasse tells AG that 'heads must roll' over Epstein treatment in federal custody
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/456963-sasse-tells-ag-that-heads-must-roll-over-epstein-treatment-in-federal-custody
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mystery-ak on August 10, 2019, 07:18:59 pm
#ClintonBodyCount trends in light of Epstein jail shocker
August 10, 2019 | Frieda Powers

Jeffrey Epstein‘s apparent suicide has raised suspicions and sent social media hashtags trending as many questioned how prison personnel failed to prevent his death.

The billionaire financier was found dead Saturday after reportedly hanging himself at a Manhattan jail where the convicted sex offender was supposedly under a suicide watch. Epstein was hospitalized a few short weeks before for what appeared to be a suicide attempt that failed.

    Accused pedophile Jeffrey Epstein is dead, ABC News confirms https://t.co/6q8aPiKNwp (https://t.co/6q8aPiKNwp)

    — Conservative News (@BIZPACReview) August 10, 2019

more
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2019/08/10/clintonbodycount-trends-in-light-of-epstein-jail-shocker-784157 (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2019/08/10/clintonbodycount-trends-in-light-of-epstein-jail-shocker-784157)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mystery-ak on August 10, 2019, 07:20:32 pm
Trump official Lynne Patton says Epstein was ‘Hillary’d!!’ … #VinceFosterPartTwo
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2019/08/10/trump-official-lynne-patton-says-epstein-was-hillaryd-vincefosterparttwo-784249 (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2019/08/10/trump-official-lynne-patton-says-epstein-was-hillaryd-vincefosterparttwo-784249)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: 240B on August 10, 2019, 07:20:53 pm
He had to die. The people he was dealing with...have no sense of humor.
If you are down and out, then you are out all the way.
That's how those people live.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: dfwgator on August 10, 2019, 07:22:37 pm
@Applewood
 
MY thoughts are the final finding is going to say "inconclusive". The mushy middle,where nobody is right,and nobody is wrong.

...and the band played on...
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: XenaLee on August 10, 2019, 07:24:13 pm
Sasse tells AG that 'heads must roll' over Epstein treatment in federal custody
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/456963-sasse-tells-ag-that-heads-must-roll-over-epstein-treatment-in-federal-custody

Oh right.   Cause... you know... so many heads have already rolled.    :sarc:    *****rollingeyes*****
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Applewood on August 10, 2019, 07:29:54 pm
How about Scalia's death?   Did you waste time on his? 

Show me a list of "unusual", if not conveniently timed, deaths of all those whose pending testimony or what they knew threatened high-level Republicans, please.  I'll wait.

Although the aftermath of Scalia's passing was a bit unusual, I believe Justice Scalia did die of natural causes as did Andrew Breitbart.  Both had significant risk factors and health issues  that would make a determination of death by natural causes very believable. 

Like I said before -- if you or anyone else can provide me with hard evidence that these people did not die in the manner indicated, then ok, I'll believe it. Speculation by cranks like Alex Jones and guests on his webcast doesn't count.

Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: dfwgator on August 10, 2019, 07:30:37 pm
He had to die. The people he was dealing with...have no sense of humor.
If you are down and out, then you are out all the way.
That's how those people live.

After watching the series "Chernobyl", I've come to the conclusion that there was very little difference between how the Soviet Union and our government  operate.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: bigheadfred on August 10, 2019, 07:32:45 pm
...and the band played on...

...some heads are gonna roll...

Judas Priest! @XenaLee

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C21PrOKRG8w#)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: dfwgator on August 10, 2019, 07:36:43 pm
...some heads are gonna roll...

Judas Priest! @XenaLee

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C21PrOKRG8w#)

No they're not, they never do.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: XenaLee on August 10, 2019, 07:37:22 pm
Although the aftermath of Scalia's passing was a bit unusual, I believe Justice Scalia did die of natural causes as did Andrew Breitbart.  Both had significant risk factors and health issues  that would make a determination of death by natural causes very believable. 

Like I said before -- if you or anyone else can provide me with hard evidence that these people did not die in the manner indicated, then ok, I'll believe it. Speculation by cranks like Alex Jones and guests on his webcast doesn't count.

IMHO.... a conspiracy theory.... is merely a theory based on logical assumptions drawn from factual events and truths... that has not yet been proven.   And as we have already witnessed, powerful (deep state) people always seem to manage to prevent those theories from being proven, much less investigated.

Occam's Razor logic applies.... especially in cases involving the Clintons and/or those whose testimony could do them harm.

Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: corbe on August 10, 2019, 07:37:33 pm
After watching the series "Chernobyl", I've come to the conclusion that there was very little difference between how the Soviet Union and our government  operate.

   I've reached that conclusion also @dfwgator and I haven't seen that, yet.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: libertybele on August 10, 2019, 07:39:41 pm
How about Scalia's death?   Did you waste time on his? 

Show me a list of "unusual", if not conveniently timed, deaths of all those whose pending testimony or what they knew threatened high-level Republicans, please.  I'll wait.

"Unusual", conveniently timed deaths of those with pending testimony falls on both sides of the aisle.  Not only threatens high-level Republicans, but high-level, DEMS as well.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: dfwgator on August 10, 2019, 07:40:20 pm
   I've reached that conclusion also @dfwgator and I haven't seen that, yet.

See it!
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: WhatWouldReaganDo on August 10, 2019, 07:42:25 pm
Jeffrey Epstein told prison guards and fellow inmates that he believed someone had tried to kill him weeks before his death, according to an inside source, DailyMail is reporting.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7344785/Jeffrey-Epstein-told-guards-tried-KILL-weeks-hanged-himself.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7344785/Jeffrey-Epstein-told-guards-tried-KILL-weeks-hanged-himself.html)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: bigheadfred on August 10, 2019, 07:43:44 pm
No they're not, they never do.

Yeah, we all know.

Kind of a toughie here. Is a dead Epstein better than a live one?
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: dfwgator on August 10, 2019, 07:44:45 pm
The "Big Club" always wins......and we ain't in it.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: corbe on August 10, 2019, 07:48:14 pm
   I can certainly believe the Clintons botched his First suicide attempt and offered more $$$ the second time around.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: bigheadfred on August 10, 2019, 07:53:42 pm
   I can certainly believe the Clintons botched his First suicide attempt and offered more $$$ the second time around.

Apropos of nothing a local man was tossed in the 'drunk tank' and when the OD part really kicked in there was recorded audio of the jailers laughing and joking about it when this guy started foaming at the mouth, having seizures, and died.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: XenaLee on August 10, 2019, 07:56:54 pm
Oh sure.... Barr's gonna get to the bottom of this.   Riiight!


Quote
FROM BROOKLYN TO BILLIONAIRE: HOW EPSTEIN ACQUIRED HIS FORTUNE 

Epstein was born to a middle-class family in Brooklyn, New York. He attended public school before dropping out of an undergraduate degree at Cooper Union.

Despite having no formal qualifications, Epstein commenced work as a physics and mathematics teacher at the prestigious Dalton School in Manhattan. He was hired by then- headmaster Donald Barr - the father of current Attorney General, William Barr. 

It proved to be the beginning of four decades spent in the midst of power and privilege.

During his two-year tenure at the elite private school, Epstein met Bear Stearns CEO Alan Greenberg, whose two children were students at Dalton.

Greenberg was reportedly impressed by Epstein's quick mind, and offered him a job as a trader at Bear Stearns in 1976.

Epstein quickly found success in the field, and went on to work as a financial consultant.

He opened his own financial management firm, J. Epstein & Company, in 1988.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7344785/Jeffrey-Epstein-told-guards-tried-KILL-weeks-hanged-himself.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7344785/Jeffrey-Epstein-told-guards-tried-KILL-weeks-hanged-himself.html)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Applewood on August 10, 2019, 07:59:08 pm
IMHO.... a conspiracy theory.... is merely a theory based on logical assumptions drawn from factual events and truths... that has not yet been proven. 


And likely never will be proven.  Justice Scalia has been gone for about 3 years.  Andrew Breitbart passed about 7 years ago.    I should think if  there really was proof that their deaths were caused by anything other than natural causes, the proof would be out there by now. 

Quote
And as we have already witnessed, powerful (deep state) people always seem to manage to prevent those theories from being proven, much less investigated.

Occam's Razor logic applies.... especially in cases involving the Clintons and/or those whose testimony could do them harm.

More conspiracy theory  that has actually been around for years and still not proven.

***

I do accept that the Clintons are not pure as the driven snow and there is a lot of unsavoriness about them.  For example, IMHO, there is no question that Hillary, as Secretary of State, is responsible for the Benghazi murders.  But to kill off scores of people who may have ruined them -- I don't know.  One thing I have thought of is that  to murder all these "enemies" would have taken a huge amount of money and I'm not so sure that the Clintons, for all their supposed larceny, really have all that much.  Otherwise, why would the missus be campaigning for the presidency or writing books and the two of them tour the country on their rock star tours (both of which I hear were not successful)?  Both of them should be parked on their fannies on a beach somewhere enjoying their retirement, playing with their grandchildren and letting the younger generation do all that hard work.  I don't think it's because they believe in public service or that there is any other altruistic motive.  I think they need the money.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mystery-ak on August 10, 2019, 08:00:19 pm
What Censorship? Twitter Removes #ClintonBodyCount with 84,000 Mentions from Trending List After Epstein Death – Replaces with Trump, Barr Hashtags
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08/what-censorship-twitter-removes-clintonbodycount-with-84000-mentions-from-trending-list-after-epstein-death-replaces-with-trump-barr-hashtags/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08/what-censorship-twitter-removes-clintonbodycount-with-84000-mentions-from-trending-list-after-epstein-death-replaces-with-trump-barr-hashtags/)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mystery-ak on August 10, 2019, 08:02:57 pm
REPORT: Epstein jail short staffed — ‘inmates monitor other inmates’
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/hansen-epstein-wearing-paper-clothes-had-blanket-he-couldnt-use-to-hang-himself/#more-42600 (http://www.theamericanmirror.com/hansen-epstein-wearing-paper-clothes-had-blanket-he-couldnt-use-to-hang-himself/#more-42600)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: corbe on August 10, 2019, 08:08:38 pm
Apropos of nothing a local man was tossed in the 'drunk tank' and when the OD part really kicked in there was recorded audio of the jailers laughing and joking about it when this guy started foaming at the mouth, having seizures, and died.

@bigheadfred


   Had a SECRET in USAF in the early 70's then went to work for DCAA, required upgrade to TOP SECRET in the 90's, early 2000's I worked for a local Police Dept, the evidence locker, unlocked, was in the IT room (I was an Addict then, trap) we spent our Lunch Hours watching sexy drunk women on their DWI video, then came 9/11 I didn't want to go through the Gov sausage maker again, so I let the contract go.

   Needless to say the Chief was fired and the Deputy arrested within a year.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: bigheadfred on August 10, 2019, 08:14:58 pm
REPORT: Epstein jail short staffed — ‘inmates monitor other inmates’
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/hansen-epstein-wearing-paper-clothes-had-blanket-he-couldnt-use-to-hang-himself/#more-42600 (http://www.theamericanmirror.com/hansen-epstein-wearing-paper-clothes-had-blanket-he-couldnt-use-to-hang-himself/#more-42600)

(https://i.imgur.com/X6W9sBW.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Sighlass on August 10, 2019, 08:19:56 pm
Does this surprise anyone, I think people called this very action in the previous thread. What this reminds me of is all the folks that think you can regulate crazy people from doing crazy stuff (gun violence)... Here we had a fellow that everyone knew wanted to kill himself, and still even in a prison cell by himself was able to do it. Yet some think the government can control gun violence by "red flag" laws. This is exhibit #4.5 million that proves otherwise.


Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on August 10, 2019, 08:27:13 pm
Seems I heard of an actor that died on set from that very thing.

It was actually a bit different, but I wonder if you're thinking of Brandon Lee.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: bigheadfred on August 10, 2019, 08:39:20 pm
It was actually a bit different, but I wonder if you're thinking of Brandon Lee.

No. I looked. Just didn't post it.

Quote
In 1984, the actor Jon-Erik Hexum of the CBS series "Cover-Up" died after shooting himself in the head with a pistol that fired blanks. Wadding from the blank cartridge was driven into his skull.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: jmyrlefuller on August 10, 2019, 08:46:33 pm
Right!  A perfect description of the damage an ice bullet would cause.  An Ice bullet is what would be used to assassinate someone without leaving any forensic evidence that can be traced to anything.
Do you really believe that? An "ice bullet" (and there really is no such thing) would have about as much effect as a blank cartridge-- yeah, you could kill someone but it'd be awfully messy.

This board has a tendency to go totally cuckoo sometimes...
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: bigheadfred on August 10, 2019, 08:57:45 pm
Do you really believe that? An "ice bullet" (and there really is no such thing) would have about as much effect as a blank cartridge-- yeah, you could kill someone but it'd be awfully messy.

This board has a tendency to go totally cuckoo sometimes...

I could see an ice bullet. Igniter and propellent that leaves no trace is a different matter.  Maybe better an icicle to pick someone's brain.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: austingirl on August 10, 2019, 09:23:53 pm
What Censorship? Twitter Removes #ClintonBodyCount with 84,000 Mentions from Trending List After Epstein Death – Replaces with Trump, Barr Hashtags
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08/what-censorship-twitter-removes-clintonbodycount-with-84000-mentions-from-trending-list-after-epstein-death-replaces-with-trump-barr-hashtags/ (https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/08/what-censorship-twitter-removes-clintonbodycount-with-84000-mentions-from-trending-list-after-epstein-death-replaces-with-trump-barr-hashtags/)
Nothing to see here./s
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: TomSea on August 10, 2019, 09:31:25 pm
At least the BBC wrote their story with "found dead", I think that's a much better headline than "suspect suicide" which some news sources have said.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49306032 (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-49306032)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bigun on August 10, 2019, 09:53:10 pm
I could see an ice bullet. Igniter and propellent that leaves no trace is a different matter.  Maybe better an icicle to pick someone's brain.

CO2 is a pollutant so that is definitely out!   :whistle:
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 10, 2019, 09:56:49 pm
 :2popcorn:
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mountaineer on August 10, 2019, 10:50:32 pm
How was Jeffrey Epstein able to kill himself so soon after earlier reported incident?
By Ben Conarck
August 10, 2019 02:30 PM, Updated 1 hour 40 minutes ago
Full story at Miami Herald (https://www.miamiherald.com/news/state/florida/article233747127.html#storylink=cpy)

 ... Though confirmed details were scarce, virtually everyone familiar with Epstein’s case had the same question: How could a high-profile inmate implicated in a wide-ranging child sex trafficking ring kill himself, mere weeks after what sounded very much like an earlier attempt?

And yet various news outlets reported that he was not on suicide watch at the time of his death

Seasoned prison litigators and suicide prevention experts were not shocked that such an event could occur, but they agreed that the apparent suicide raised serious questions about the mental health treatment and evaluation Epstein received at the facility. ...

It was reported that Epstein was placed on suicide watch after the previous incident on July 22. According to reports at the time, he was found semi-conscious with bruises around his neck. In order to be cleared to be taken off suicide watch at a federal facility, inmates must go through rigorous, structured interviews.   ...

Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on August 11, 2019, 12:57:40 am
I could see an ice bullet. Igniter and propellent that leaves no trace is a different matter.  Maybe better an icicle to pick someone's brain.

I was thinking captive bolt gun, but it looks like they are .22 to .25, and I wouldn't think that would leave a .45 wound.

I suppose there's no practical reason why one couldn't build their own.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: sneakypete on August 11, 2019, 12:57:45 am


 
Quote
Otherwise, why would the missus be campaigning for the presidency or writing books and the two of them tour the country on their rock star tours (both of which I hear were not successful)?
 


@Applewood

Raw,naked POWER! People tend to lust after wealth until the have it,and once they have the money,the only thing left for them to lust after is personal power,and this is probably more true of Bubbette! than anyone else you have ever heard of. NOTHING can begin to compare to becoming the first female President of the United States.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: EdJames on August 11, 2019, 01:00:24 am
 


@Applewood

Raw,naked POWER! People tend to lust after wealth until the have it,and once they have the money,the only thing left for them to lust after is personal power,and this is probably more true of Bubbette! than anyone else you have ever heard of. NOTHING can begin to compare to becoming the first female President of the United States.

The Will to Power explains a lot of what otherwise seems unexplainable.....
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: EdJames on August 11, 2019, 01:04:07 am
Meant to post this here, posted in the other JE by mistake....


Just a little glimpse into how the left organizes for social media propaganda....

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBo2Ti7X4AAqvBc.jpg)

https://twitter.com/SumchikAmy/status/1160299700869836801


Edit:
CTH has picked up on this:  https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/08/10/far-left-panic-over-epsteins-suicide-shareblue-dispatches-urgent-talking-points-for-on-line-activists/


.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mountaineer on August 11, 2019, 01:24:15 am
Good grief,  they sound like Scientologists. What's a Stalwart,  and why is it capitalized?
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: roamer_1 on August 11, 2019, 01:38:11 am
I was thinking captive bolt gun, but it looks like they are .22 to .25, and I wouldn't think that would leave a .45 wound.

I suppose there's no practical reason why one couldn't build their own.

Yeah, a cow knocker leaves a .45 hole.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: GtHawk on August 11, 2019, 01:44:03 am
Good grief,  they sound like Scientologists. What's a Stalwart,  and why is it capitalized?
stal·wart
/ˈstôlwərt/
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adjective
1.
loyal, reliable, and hardworking.
"he remained a stalwart supporter of the cause"
synonyms:   staunch, loyal, faithful, committed, devoted, dedicated, dependable, reliable, steady, constant, trusty, hard-working, vigorous, stable, firm, steadfast, redoubtable, resolute, unswerving, unwavering, unhesitating, unfaltering
"a stalwart supporter of the cause"
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: verga on August 11, 2019, 02:01:08 am
$51K isn't that much in Manhattan.
That is before OT and holiday pay. Prison Guards where I used to live had a base of around 47K many would make over 90K for the year. Retire after 20 and take another position.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: bigheadfred on August 11, 2019, 02:01:43 am
Good grief,  they sound like Scientologists. What's a Stalwart,  and why is it capitalized?

From the link posted by @EdJames:

In #5 above “ROLCON” refers to role playing as a conservative.


The “stalwarts” are those activists paid to go on-line into all social media platforms and defend the interests of the far-left ideology.  It would appear Mr. Epstein’s death has activated the need for an urgent crisis response from the political left.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Sanguine on August 11, 2019, 02:03:14 am
From the link posted by @EdJames:

In #5 above “ROLCON” refers to role playing as a conservative.


The “stalwarts” are those activists paid to go on-line into all social media platforms and defend the interests of the far-left ideology.  It would appear Mr. Epstein’s death has activated the need for an urgent crisis response from the political left.


That's interesting.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: verga on August 11, 2019, 02:15:29 am
Seems I heard of an actor that died on set from that very thing.
@Bill Cipher @ bigheadfred @sneakypete
Jon-Erik Hexum's Fatal Joke
https://ew.com/article/1994/10/14/jon-erik-hexums-fatal-joke/ (https://ew.com/article/1994/10/14/jon-erik-hexums-fatal-joke/)

There was a case of an actor killed by a shotgun several years ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/5pmiyo/man_fatally_shot_in_chest_on_film_set_in_brisbane/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/5pmiyo/man_fatally_shot_in_chest_on_film_set_in_brisbane/)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: sneakypete on August 11, 2019, 02:21:29 am
Good grief,  they sound like Scientologists. What's a Stalwart,  and why is it capitalized?

@mountaineer

I am guessing "Stalwart" is a 21st Century PC version of "Comrade",and it is capitalized for the same reasons the word "King" is capitalized.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: XenaLee on August 11, 2019, 02:28:47 am
Meant to post this here, posted in the other JE by mistake....


Just a little glimpse into how the left organizes for social media propaganda....

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBo2Ti7X4AAqvBc.jpg)

https://twitter.com/SumchikAmy/status/1160299700869836801


Edit:
CTH has picked up on this:  https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/08/10/far-left-panic-over-epsteins-suicide-shareblue-dispatches-urgent-talking-points-for-on-line-activists/


.

So..... "Stalwarts" is their new term/meme for LITs (Leftie Internet Trolls).   Got it.  And I've already identified a few of those today.   :laugh:
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: EdJames on August 11, 2019, 02:32:04 am
So..... "Stalwarts" is their new term/meme for LITs (Leftie Internet Trolls).   Got it.  And I've already identified a few of those today.   :laugh:

Stalwarts are the *paid* version.

I seen some too, funny that....    :laugh:
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: XenaLee on August 11, 2019, 02:33:56 am
Stalwarts are the *paid* version.

I seen some too, funny that....    :laugh:

I'm getting stalked and harassed by one on another forum as we speak....lolol.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Applewood on August 11, 2019, 02:35:07 am
This may shed some light:

Why Wasn’t Jeffrey Epstein on Suicide Watch When He Died?

Quote
Inmates can only be removed from the watch when the program coordinator, who is generally the chief psychologist at the facility, deems they are no longer at imminent risk for suicide, according a 2007 Bureau of Prison document outlining suicide prevention policies. The inmates cannot be removed from the watch without a face-to-face psychological evaluation.

To take an inmate off suicide watch, a “post-watch report” needs to be completed, which includes an analysis of how the inmate’s circumstances have changed and why that merits removal from the watch, the document said.

Under Bureau of Prison regulations, the government’s jails and prisons must have one or more rooms designed for housing an inmate on suicide watch, and the rooms must allow staff members to control the inmate without compromising their ability to observe and protect him. Every prison facility is required to have a suicide prevention program.


Interesting read.  Much more at this link (sorry I don't have the direct source, but I'm not a subscriber to the NYT):

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/why-wasnt-jeffrey-epstein-on-suicide-watch-when-he-died/ar-AAFCM5Q?ocid=spartandhp (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/why-wasnt-jeffrey-epstein-on-suicide-watch-when-he-died/ar-AAFCM5Q?ocid=spartandhp)


Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: bigheadfred on August 11, 2019, 02:43:31 am
I seen 'em". Little guys! About this tall!

(https://i.imgur.com/k8IRRIi.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Victoria33 on August 11, 2019, 04:10:50 am
@mystery-ak

Summarizing what I read today:
Our Attorney General is William Barr.
His father, Donald Barr owned the prestigious school, Dalton School in Manhattan.  Headmaster Donald Barr hired Jeffery Epstein to teach math and physics at the school even though Epstein had no qualifications to teach those subjects.

Epstein worked there for two years, during which time Bear Sterns CEO Allen Greenberg had his two children at Dalton School.  He met Epstein and hired him to work at Bear Sterns.  That was in 1976.  Epstein started his own financial company in 1988.

Attorney General William Barr is very angry Epstein is dead - or is he?
Here is another source (there are many):

https://grondamorin.com/2019/07/09/story-of-ag-barrs-dad-as-headmaster-who-ran-school-with-discipline-and-authoritarian-rule/
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: goatprairie on August 11, 2019, 04:24:29 am
I could see an ice bullet. Igniter and propellent that leaves no trace is a different matter.  Maybe better an icicle to pick someone's brain.
Myth of ice bullets debunked by Mythbusters in one of their episodes. Ice bullets melt completely when hammer hits cartridge  primer and ignites the propellant.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: edpc on August 11, 2019, 04:25:17 am
Attorney General William Barr is very angry Epstein is dead - or is he?


Well, it’s a good thing he had Manafort moved from Rikers to this prison, because it’s so much safer.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: sneakypete on August 11, 2019, 08:29:02 am
Myth of ice bullets debunked by Mythbusters in one of their episodes. Ice bullets melt completely when hammer hits cartridge  primer and ignites the propellant.

@goatprarie

It doesn't matter. The flame front would penetrate the skull due to the pressure wave of the exploding and expanding gases.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Gefn on August 11, 2019, 09:48:13 am
Wow. Can’t say anything bad about the dead. But.....may the people he hurt find peace.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Applewood on August 11, 2019, 10:13:25 am
Wow. Can’t say anything bad about the dead. But.....may the people he hurt find peace.

Well, it's believed the case against Epstein may go forward anyway,  The feds might be able to go after his estate and whatever businesses he owned.  But if that doesn't work, his alleged victims might have recourse through civil litigation. 

Money may go al ong way for the victims in their quest for peace. 
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mountaineer on August 11, 2019, 11:58:29 am
I am guessing "Stalwart" is a 21st Century PC version of "Comrade",and it is capitalized for the same reasons the word "King" is capitalized.
That's what I figured. The new comrade.
Yes, I knew what "stalwart" meant - I just wondered what it meant to those whackjobs.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bigun on August 11, 2019, 12:25:59 pm
Myth of ice bullets debunked by Mythbusters in one of their episodes. Ice bullets melt completely when hammer hits cartridge  primer and ignites the propellant.

Sure! Those guys know all there is to know about everything don't they?  /s

Who says that powder and primers are required to launch something?
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bigun on August 11, 2019, 12:30:06 pm
Having seen no body nor any evidence of one, It's quite possible Mr. Epstein is currently undergoing a complete makeover in a bodyshop somewhere on his way to an exotic location in which he will happily live out his days.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: EdJames on August 11, 2019, 12:33:55 pm
Having seen no body nor any evidence of one, It's quite possible Mr. Epstein is currently undergoing a complete makeover in a bodyshop somewhere on his way to an exotic location in which he will happily live out his days.

@Bigun

Sadly my friend, in the world that we are in, anything is possible.... anything....

And the probability of us ever learning the truth about any of it, lessens each day....

 **nononono*
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bigun on August 11, 2019, 12:38:55 pm
@Bigun

Sadly my friend, in the world that we are in, anything is possible.... anything....

And the probability of us ever learning the truth about any of it, lessens each day....

 **nononono*

Yeah @EdJames, I know.   9999hair out0000
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: sneakypete on August 11, 2019, 12:39:13 pm
Well, it's believed the case against Epstein may go forward anyway,  The feds might be able to go after his estate and whatever businesses he owned.  But if that doesn't work, his alleged victims might have recourse through civil litigation. 

Money may go al ong way for the victims in their quest for peace.

@Applewood

I don't know how it would be possible to go forward in criminal court. His estate didn't pimp out anybody.

The alleged victims can sure as hell sue his estate for damages,though.

And will,as long as there are lawyers out there eager to dip their bills into the blood.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: sneakypete on August 11, 2019, 12:43:03 pm
Sure! Those guys know all there is to know about everything don't they?  /s

Who says that powder and primers are required to launch something?

@Bigun

Powder and primers ARE required to fire a firearm,and that's what everyone seems to be talking about.

I guess you could do it with a pneumatic or battery-powered gun of some type,like a nailgun,but don't know for sure. I do know you can sure as hell put a nail through your hand or foot with a nailgun using compressed air,though. Never had any experience with a battery-powered nail gun and know nothing about them.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: sneakypete on August 11, 2019, 12:44:07 pm
Having seen no body nor any evidence of one, It's quite possible Mr. Epstein is currently undergoing a complete makeover in a bodyshop somewhere on his way to an exotic location in which he will happily live out his days.

@Bigun

Not one chance in hell. He is an attention whore and can't live without it.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: sneakypete on August 11, 2019, 12:46:42 pm
@Bigun

Quote
Sadly my friend, in the world that we are in, anything is possible.... anything....

@EdJames

Just not possible for Epstein to hide his light. He went out of his way,spent millions of dollars,and committed whole series of crimes to become a public figure. He is a whore for attention.

Quote
And the probability of us ever learning the truth about any of it, lessens each day....

I agree,and it started at close to absolute zero.  Too many "Big Dogs" involved.
 
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mountaineer on August 11, 2019, 01:07:05 pm
Former MCC inmate: There’s ‘no way’ Jeffrey Epstein killed himself
By Bruce Golding and Brad Hamilton
August 10, 2019 | 6:17pm

The following account is from a former inmate of the Metropolitan Correction Center in lower Manhattan, where Jeffrey Epstein was found unresponsive Saturday, and declared dead at a hospital of an apparent suicide. The ex-convict, who spoke to The Post’s Brad Hamilton and Bruce Golding on the condition of anonymity, spent several months in the 9 South special housing unit for high-profile prisoners awaiting trial — like Epstein.


There’s no way that man could have killed himself. I’ve done too much time in those units. It’s an impossibility.

Between the floor and the ceiling is like eight or nine feet. There’s no way for you to connect to anything.

You have sheets, but they’re paper level, not strong enough. He was 200 pounds — it would never happen. ...

They don’t give you enough in there that could successfully create an instrument of death. You want to write a letter, they give you rubber pens and maybe once a week a piece of paper.

Nothing hard or made of metal.

And there’s a cop at the door about every nine minutes, whether you’re on suicide watch or not. ...  Rest of story at NY Post (https://nypost.com/2019/08/10/former-mcc-inmate-theres-no-way-jeffrey-epstein-killed-himself/?fbclid=IwAR1nz-KL_2ecDLQuriKhIbygYv4f4MO9rx4ktjGSPYor6IgzRkQCbpMdPxY)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: catfish1957 on August 11, 2019, 01:10:25 pm
Having seen no body nor any evidence of one, It's quite possible Mr. Epstein is currently undergoing a complete makeover in a bodyshop somewhere on his way to an exotic location in which he will happily live out his days.

Not so far fetched,  with his money and connections? 
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: bigheadfred on August 11, 2019, 01:40:58 pm
I've been reading multiple articles about this, this morning.

One had a statement the speculated Epstein primarily made his money as an expert in moving money offshore. Not in investing. Been reviewing but can't seem to find that particular statement.

Here is another article.

Prison experts are stunned and angry that Jeffrey Epstein was taken off suicide watch

Article (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/10/prison-experts-shocking-that-jeffrey-epstein-was-taken-off-suicide-watch.html)

“For them to pull him off suicide watch is shocking,” Cameron Lindsay, a former warden who worked at three federal facilities, told NBC News. “For someone this high-profile, with these allegations and this many victims, who has had a suicide attempt in the last few weeks, you can take absolutely no chances. You leave him on suicide watch until he’s out of there.”

Bob Hood, a former federal Bureau of Prisons chief of internal affairs and former warden at the ADX Florence “supermax” prison in Colorado, said he also was perplexed by the decision to remove the suicide safeguards.

“Under the circumstances, I would have a staff member sitting there or have a camera on him 24/7 while he was in my custody, purely to cover my butt,” said Hood. “I know that sounds tacky, but this is not your average inmate.”

Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: corbe on August 11, 2019, 01:48:15 pm
(http://66.media.tumblr.com/12e3938be95b0ecfa0807ae1c3d6de98/tumblr_mpwaqjUkUq1so5joko1_500.gif)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: roamer_1 on August 11, 2019, 02:01:01 pm
“Under the circumstances, I would have a staff member sitting there or have a camera on him 24/7 while he was in my custody, purely to cover my butt,” said Hood. “I know that sounds tacky, but this is not your average inmate.”
[/b]

@bigheadfred
Not even because of his high profile, but just on general principles, I cannot believe for a minute that they would not have him on cam. If they don't have vid then it's dirty pool, and no one will convince me otherwise.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: bigheadfred on August 11, 2019, 02:04:05 pm
@bigheadfred
Not even because of his high profile, but just on general principles, I cannot believe for a minute that they would not have him on cam. If they don't have vid then it's dirty pool, and no one will convince me otherwise.

I am with you there. It is dirty.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: roamer_1 on August 11, 2019, 02:13:49 pm
I am with you there. It is dirty.

@bigheadfred

What he said is right - There are cams everyplace inside for the purpose of protecting the COs (not so necessarily the prisoners)... Every incident is caught on vid with sound - Every_single_incident... That is how interactions with inmates are adjudged. That is how a COs actions are defended and justified, by looking at the tapes. It absolutely IS a CYA thing in every-day-life, not to mention an inmate with this high a profile.

If there ain't vid, it's bullcrap.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: bigheadfred on August 11, 2019, 02:19:12 pm
@bigheadfred

What he said is right - There are cams everyplace inside for the purpose of protecting the COs (not so necessarily the prisoners)... Every incident is caught on vid with sound - Every_single_incident... That is how interactions with inmates are adjudged. That is how a COs actions are defended and justified, by looking at the tapes. It absolutely IS a CYA thing in every-day-life, not to mention an inmate with this high a profile.

If there ain't vid, it's bullcrap.

All I know is that I will not feel sorry for those in the coming wave of dismissals, resignations, or forced retirements. They will be able to afford it.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: roamer_1 on August 11, 2019, 02:21:09 pm
All I know is that I will not feel sorry for those in the coming wave of dismissals, resignations, or forced retirements. They will be able to afford it.

That's right.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bill Cipher on August 11, 2019, 02:35:15 pm
Alcoa kindly asks that the conspiracy mongering be toned down a bit because they’ve about run out of foil products. 
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: XenaLee on August 11, 2019, 02:37:46 pm
Alcoa kindly asks that the conspiracy mongering be toned down a bit because they’ve about run out of foil products.

Update:  Alcoa kindly asks that Bill Cipher shuts the eff up, since they're hoping that their stock will rise even more in the wake of the Epstein "suicide".
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bill Cipher on August 11, 2019, 02:39:44 pm
Update:  Alcoa kindly asks that Bill Cipher shuts the eff up, since they're hoping that their stock will rise even more in the wake of the Epstein "suicide".



Sorry.  No dice.  But please, do keep making utter asses out of yourselves with this ridiculous conspiracy-mongering.

It brings out all of y’all’s inner liberal. 
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: bigheadfred on August 11, 2019, 02:41:30 pm
Alcoa kindly asks that the conspiracy mongering be toned down a bit because they’ve about run out of foil products.

uh huh

Denial is a river...
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: roamer_1 on August 11, 2019, 02:42:33 pm
Alcoa kindly asks that the conspiracy mongering be toned down a bit because they’ve about run out of foil products.

Never spent time in the can, eh?
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Axeslinger on August 11, 2019, 02:42:46 pm

Sorry.  No dice.  But please, do keep making utter asses out of yourselves with this ridiculous conspiracy-mongering.

It brings out all of y’all’s inner liberal.
Then you should feel right at home
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: bigheadfred on August 11, 2019, 02:45:47 pm

Sorry.  No dice.  But please, do keep making utter asses out of yourselves with this ridiculous conspiracy-mongering.

It brings out all of y’all’s inner liberal.

It brings out the inner tube in me.


You're such an inspiration for the ways
That I will never, ever choose to be
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bill Cipher on August 11, 2019, 02:49:56 pm
uh huh

Denial is a river...

Denying rabid conspiracy-mongering that has no basis in fact or anything that would count as evidence, beyond mere political hatred?

I’ll take that river ride. 

Funny thing: Nixon, while still in office, couldn’t successfully cover up a simple break-in, but according to all the “Solomons” here, not only have the Clintons managed to successfully cover up multiple murders, they’ve done it without either one being in the White House, and during the same time the very same “Solomons” here have derided them as washed up and as so clueless that she couldn’t even run a successful campaign to win back the White House. 

Occam’s razor says this guy hung himself because he realized that (a) he’s never getting out again - he wouldn’t get bail during this trial - so he cannot just leave and go hide out overseas, and (b) the sweet plea deal he got last time is about to be ripped up and he’d be retried on all the crimes that were covered by that deal.  And (c) with the records in that libel case unsealed, everything would be exposed to the world, and most likely there’s evidence in there that would sink him.  And (d) his expected lifespan inside would be very short once convicted because child molesters don’t tend to last very long when other inmates get wind of them. 
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: verga on August 11, 2019, 02:59:09 pm
@Applewood

I don't know how it would be possible to go forward in criminal court. His estate didn't pimp out anybody.

The alleged victims can sure as hell sue his estate for damages,though.

And will,as long as there are lawyers out there eager to dip their bills into the blood.
It is easier to get a win in a civil case if there is a criminal conviction. That was one of the big issues with the O.J. Simpson trial.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: roamer_1 on August 11, 2019, 03:11:49 pm
Occam’s razor says this guy hung himself

I don't care at all about the why.
I care that there is no video footage.
That's bogus, no matter what.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bill Cipher on August 11, 2019, 03:16:17 pm
I don't care at all about the why.
I care that there is no video footage.
That's bogus, no matter what.

[Revolting sexual reference redacted.  Don't do it again.]

It’s not bogus, and the only evidence you have is your mutual political hatred for the Clintons. 

What’s astounding is that people who are otherwise rational enough that they can construct grammatically correct sentences can, in one breath assert that the Clintons are capable of maintaining a multi-decades long coverup of multiple very public “murders” without any evidence coming out, and in the next breath maintain that Clinton was so clueless and impotent that she couldn’t beat Trump in the 2016 election, even though everyone thought she had it sewn up. 

All you have is your political hatred.  Period.  And that is not evidence of anything other than your own personal politics. 

On top of which, we do have evidence that the Clintons cannot maintain a simple conspiracy, even when Bill was in the White House, because the blue dress still came out, and Clinton was impeached for that.  How come Monica Lewinsky is still walking around and breathing on her own?  How come the other accusers are still walking and talking on their own?
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: bigheadfred on August 11, 2019, 03:21:54 pm
Denying rabid conspiracy-mongering that has no basis in fact or anything that would count as evidence, beyond mere political hatred?

I’ll take that river ride. 

Funny thing: Nixon, while still in office, couldn’t successfully cover up a simple break-in, but according to all the “Solomons” here, not only have the Clintons managed to successfully cover up multiple murders, they’ve done it without either one being in the White House, and during the same time the very same “Solomons” here have derided them as washed up and as so clueless that she couldn’t even run a successful campaign to win back the White House. 

Occam’s razor says this guy hung himself because he realized that (a) he’s never getting out again - he wouldn’t get bail during this trial - so he cannot just leave and go hide out overseas, and (b) the sweet plea deal he got last time is about to be ripped up and he’d be retried on all the crimes that were covered by that deal.  And (c) with the records in that libel case unsealed, everything would be exposed to the world, and most likely there’s evidence in there that would sink him.  And (d) his expected lifespan inside would be very short once convicted because child molesters don’t tend to last very long when other inmates get wind of them.

SHU (Special Housing Unit)

They have them for a reason.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bill Cipher on August 11, 2019, 03:23:12 pm
SHU (Special Housing Unit)

They have them for a reason.

And they’re not 100% effective.  Epstein chose to go out on his own terms rather than take the very large risk of going out like a dog in prison. 
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Sanguine on August 11, 2019, 03:25:16 pm
[Revolting sexual reference redacted.  Don't do it again.]

It’s not bogus, and the only evidence you have is your mutual political hatred for the Clintons. 

What’s astounding is that people who are otherwise rational enough that they can construct grammatically correct sentences can, in one breath assert that the Clintons are capable of maintaining a multi-decades long coverup of multiple very public “murders” without any evidence coming out, and in the next breath maintain that Clinton was so clueless and impotent that she couldn’t beat Trump in the 2016 election, even though everyone thought she had it sewn up. 

All you have is your political hatred.  Period.  And that is not evidence of anything other than your own personal politics. 

On top of which, we do have evidence that the Clintons cannot maintain a simple conspiracy, even when Bill was in the White House, because the blue dress still came out, and Clinton was impeached for that.  How come Monica Lewinsky is still walking around and breathing on her own?  How come the other accusers are still walking and talking on their own?

Good grief.   Other people have opinions based on the available information.  Yours is not necessarily the correct one.  No need to insult everyone who doesn't see things the same way you do.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: roamer_1 on August 11, 2019, 03:27:27 pm
[Revolting sexual reference redacted.  Don't do it again.]

It’s not bogus, and the only evidence you have is your mutual political hatred for the Clintons. 

What’s astounding is that people who are otherwise rational enough that they can construct grammatically correct sentences can, in one breath assert that the Clintons are capable of maintaining a multi-decades long coverup of multiple very public “murders” without any evidence coming out, and in the next breath maintain that Clinton was so clueless and impotent that she couldn’t beat Trump in the 2016 election, even though everyone thought she had it sewn up. 

All you have is your political hatred.  Period.  And that is not evidence of anything other than your own personal politics.

I don't give a crap about the Clintons.
I don't even care to point a finger at anyone right now, because it could come from any number of directions.

What I care about is that every detention I have ever been in (admittedly but a few) has video absolutely everywhere, for the purpose of protecting the COs. Every hall, every pod, every cell, everywhere.

If they don't have tapes, it's bullcrap.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bill Cipher on August 11, 2019, 03:28:26 pm
Good grief.   Other people have opinions based on the available information.  Yours is not necessarily the correct one.  No need to insult everyone who doesn't see things the same way you do.

Good grief yourself.  I’m simply applying to this case the same tools that certain folk demanded be applied to Moore and Kavanaugh.

There is no “evidence” that’s been presented on which various people can have differing opinions because there has been no evidence presented, period.

But, if you want TBR to be the right-wing version of democreticundergound, that’s your privilege.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: XenaLee on August 11, 2019, 03:32:38 pm

Sorry.  No dice.  But please, do keep making utter asses out of yourselves with this ridiculous conspiracy-mongering.

It brings out all of y’all’s inner liberal.

And speaking of "inner liberal"..... you have no sense of humor.   But we knew that.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: rangerrebew on August 11, 2019, 03:34:57 pm
If an egotist like Epstein committed suicide, I haven't had a bowel movement in 71 years and I can assure you that isn't true. :whistle:
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: bigheadfred on August 11, 2019, 03:40:55 pm
Little place I visited in New Mexico. They didn't have any jailers. They had facilitators.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bill Cipher on August 11, 2019, 03:45:09 pm
If an egotist like Epstein committed suicide, I haven't had a bowel movement in 71 years and I can assure you that isn't true. :whistle:

Then you’d better get some ex-lax. 
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: EdJames on August 11, 2019, 03:47:53 pm
Little place I visited in New Mexico. They didn't have any jailers. They had facilitators.

Jailer for Sale or Rent...

 :whistle:
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bigun on August 11, 2019, 03:49:10 pm
Good grief yourself.  I’m simply applying to this case the same tools that certain folk demanded be applied to Moore and Kavanaugh.

There is no “evidence” that’s been presented on which various people can have differing opinions because there has been no evidence presented, period.

But, if you want TBR to be the right-wing version of democreticundergound, that’s your privilege.

You apply whatever you damned well please but it will have no effect on me what-so-ever.
 
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: XenaLee on August 11, 2019, 03:49:22 pm
Then you’d better get some ex-lax.

Projecting much?   :silly:
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bill Cipher on August 11, 2019, 03:50:34 pm
You apply whatever you damned well please but it will have no effect on me what-so-ever.
 

Yes, well, you’ve already proven yourself singularly insulated from rational thought or evidence-based thinking, so no great surprise there. 
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bigun on August 11, 2019, 03:52:49 pm
Yes, well, you’ve already proven yourself singularly insulated from rational thought or evidence-based thinking, so no great surprise there.

Whatever you say sport!
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bill Cipher on August 11, 2019, 03:54:16 pm
Whatever you say sport!

Sorry that the truth hurts, but that’s just the way it is. 

How is it that Bill and Hillary couldn’t cover up a simple little stained blue dress?
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bigun on August 11, 2019, 03:58:27 pm
Begone fly! 
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: bigheadfred on August 11, 2019, 04:00:00 pm
Jailer for Sale or Rent...

 :whistle:

It was a warehouse. Minimum wage job. They had two rules.

1. Please don't kill us.

2. Please don't kill each other.

To keep either from happening (and make extra money) they would facilitate.  Seemed to work fine.--nobody died.

Did have a couple of guys climb the fence one day. Ever been to New Mexico? No place to run to, no place to hide...
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bigun on August 11, 2019, 04:00:40 pm
DOWNSIDE LEGACY AT TWO DEGREES OF PRESIDENT CLINTON
SECTION: REMEMBERING THE DEAD
SUBSECTION: List of Names
Revised 7/14/00


https://web.archive.org/web/20010408073917/http://alamo-girl.com/0463.htm (https://web.archive.org/web/20010408073917/http://alamo-girl.com/0463.htm)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: xyno on August 11, 2019, 04:06:37 pm
You're surprised Epstein committed suicide?  Imagine how surprised he was!  ****drummer
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: bigheadfred on August 11, 2019, 04:08:26 pm
Sorry that the truth hurts, but that’s just the way it is. 

How is it that Bill and Hillary couldn’t cover up a simple little stained blue dress?

How is it that Hillary committed High Crimes while a cabinet member and isn't doing hard time? Or been executed?
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: bigheadfred on August 11, 2019, 04:09:00 pm
You're surprised Epstein committed suicide?  Imagine how surprised he was!  ****drummer

 :silly:
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: xyno on August 11, 2019, 04:14:16 pm
I don't give a crap about the Clintons.
I don't even care to point a finger at anyone right now, because it could come from any number of directions.

What I care about is that every detention I have ever been in (admittedly but a few) has video absolutely everywhere, for the purpose of protecting the COs. Every hall, every pod, every cell, everywhere.

If they don't have tapes, it's bullcrap.

Seriously... a mega-wealthy sex trafficker and pedohile, who could implicate some of the most powerful people on earth as participants, dies by suicide while in Federal custody in his jail cell while on suicide watch.   There are no videos?  Yeah, nothing to be suspicious of here. 
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: bigheadfred on August 11, 2019, 04:20:50 pm
Seriously... a mega-wealthy sex trafficker and pedohile, who could implicate some of the most powerful people on earth as participants, dies by suicide while in Federal custody in his jail cell while on suicide watch.   There are no videos?  Yeah, nothing to be suspicious of here.

He was pulled off the suicide watch. After an "apparent" suicide attempt.

Which tells me something.

Either he wasn't suicidal. Or he was facilitated.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: XenaLee on August 11, 2019, 04:21:40 pm
Well, they sure are covering their azz when reporting on the transporting of Epstein's, supposedly, body.   Wonder why they feel that need....?   Are they somehow in doubt that it was really Epstein?    :shrug:

Quote
A body believed to be that of Jeffrey Epstein was loaded into a Medical Examiner’s van at NewYork-Presbyterian Hospital on Saturday.

(https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AAFESWl.img?h=450&w=799&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/epstein-was-left-alone-and-not-closely-monitored-before-jail-suicide/ar-AAFEQag?li=BBnb7Kz (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/epstein-was-left-alone-and-not-closely-monitored-before-jail-suicide/ar-AAFEQag?li=BBnb7Kz)

Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bill Cipher on August 11, 2019, 04:21:49 pm
Tinfoil, tinfoil, tinfoil. 
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: XenaLee on August 11, 2019, 04:24:54 pm
Tinfoil, tinfoil, tinfoil.

Who are you trying to help here?  Are you getting paid?    Are you now, or have you ever been, a ShareBlue Stalwart???  (hey, might as well go for the gusto, since I'm being accused anyway)

 :rolling:
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: skeeter on August 11, 2019, 04:25:17 pm
Who are you trying to help here?  Are you getting paid?    Are you now, or have you ever been, a ShareBlue Stalwart???  (hey, might as well go for the gusto, since I'm being accused anyway)

 :rolling:

White noise.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: XenaLee on August 11, 2019, 04:26:50 pm
White noise.

Annoying ....like the sound a mosquito makes, ya mean?
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: skeeter on August 11, 2019, 04:28:25 pm
Annoying ....like the sound a mosquito makes, ya mean?

Or a leaky commode flapper.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: TomSea on August 11, 2019, 04:31:58 pm
Now, I can relate some to when Oswald was killed. It didn't make sense. I don't believe in a conspiracy with the assassination of JFK but that one part never fits and looks suspicious, Oswald was gunned down on national tv.

I really think the Clinton's name is mud now. Even if nothing ever shows any connection, I'm just observing, they look terrible.

Surely, the Epstein lawyers' records and what the accusers say will still be discussed.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: roamer_1 on August 11, 2019, 04:47:03 pm
Seriously... a mega-wealthy sex trafficker and pedohile, who could implicate some of the most powerful people on earth as participants, dies by suicide while in Federal custody in his jail cell while on suicide watch.   There are no videos?  Yeah, nothing to be suspicious of here.

@xyno
That's right - Too early for me for 'who done it' - Probably no tellin who anyway... but this guy's death is mighty convenient. If there aren't tapes, it's because someone didn't want tapes. And if in fact that is the case, that's mighty convenient too.

Don't think I have seen you before - Welcome.
 :beer: :patriot: :seeya:
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bill Cipher on August 11, 2019, 05:04:35 pm
Yeah, they couldn’t cover up a stained blue dress, or other accusations that got Billy impeached, but they can successfully cover up a forty-plus year trail of very public murders so artfully disguised as “suicides” without anyone - not a single one of the dozens of people who must have been involved, or made a payment, or overheard what they weren’t supposed to hear - breathing so much as a word of evidence. 

And now they’ve successfully “suicided” Epstein, without a word being breathed by anyone.  But somehow, even with the full resources of the DNC and their hundreds of thousands of fellow travelers, they couldn’t even pull off an election victory.   

Pass the tinfoil. 
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: xyno on August 11, 2019, 07:01:42 pm
@xyno

Don't think I have seen you before - Welcome.
 :beer: :patriot: :seeya:

@roamer_1

Thank you.  Enjoy some of the on-point commentary.  Don't post much, obviously. 
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: xyno on August 11, 2019, 07:04:51 pm
Tinfoil, tinfoil, tinfoil. 

Can we not question the curious circumstances?  Why else are we here?
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: corbe on August 11, 2019, 07:53:22 pm
Can we not question the curious circumstances?  Why else are we here?


   I was asked that question last week @xyno and I learned that 'Trolling the Trumpers' is NOT the correct answer, so beware.

   I am not insinuating nor implying that you are guilty of this.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bill Cipher on August 11, 2019, 08:05:01 pm
Can we not question the curious circumstances?  Why else are we here?

Hardly curious circumstances.  But don’t let rational thought processes stop you from speculating based solely on political hatred. 
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Sanguine on August 11, 2019, 08:13:19 pm
Hardly curious circumstances.  But don’t let rational thought processes stop you from speculating based solely on political hatred.

Bill, your lack of curiosity is baffling. But, you've made your mind up and far be it from me to try to pry it open, even a bit.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: DCPatriot on August 11, 2019, 08:17:11 pm
Can we not question the curious circumstances?  Why else are we here?

LOL!  Especially considering the thread title.

@Bill Cipher is a lawyer.   Deals in facts and evidence, etc..    :laugh:

That said, the reason Epstein wasn't on suicide watch, was because last week's attack really happened.  Furthermore, Epstein claimed he was attacked.

Why would he be on suicide watch?

He should have been on 24/7 solitary confinement though for his own safety.   No excuse.

It was definitely a hit....and anybody that ever watched a detective crime show/movie in their life can tell you why.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bill Cipher on August 11, 2019, 08:19:44 pm
Bill, your lack of curiosity is baffling. But, you've made your mind up and far be it from me to try to pry it open, even a bit.

Why?  Because I won’t indulge in politically motivated speculation shorn of any objective evidence?   Because I prefer to apply the rule of Occam’s Razor?   Because I find it extremely hard to believe that a pair of doddering idiots who couldn’t cover up a stained blue dress and a ditzy intern to stop an impeachment could mastermind a decades-long cover-up of multiple public murders dressed up as suicides, ending in the magical mystery murder of Epstein, a child molester who must have realized - once he was denied bail and the records in the civil case unsealed - that he would never again see the light of day?  As far as Epstein’s narcissism being an argument against his suicide: far from it.  Hitler was a narcissist too, and once it finally hit him like a ton of bricks that the jig was up, he too committed suicide. 

I don’t see anything at all to base any sort of speculation on, other than the decades-long excruciating need of some people to prove, by hook or by crook, that the Clintons really are as evil as they’ve always fervently believed they were, ever since Hillary refused to turn on Bill for cheating on her with an intern. 
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: corbe on August 11, 2019, 08:21:46 pm
Elvis Costello - Watching The Detectives

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snPDoXl9ZPs#)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: DCPatriot on August 11, 2019, 08:22:27 pm
Hardly curious circumstances.  But don’t let rational thought processes stop you from speculating based solely on political hatred.

"Hardly curious circumstances"??   You don't believe that.   You're trolling.    :laugh:

And "political hatred"??  Can you even imagine the consequences if all the names were discovered and out in the open?  Banks, international corporations?

But businessmen, who could lose not only their own freedom and livelihood but also their corporations?

HE'S DEAD, JIM!!!    888mouth
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: corbe on August 11, 2019, 08:28:01 pm
   It certainly seems to me @Bill Cipher that no one here but you is willing to give the Clintons the benefit of the doubt. I wish you all the luck in the World.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: xyno on August 11, 2019, 08:33:21 pm
Hardly curious circumstances.  But don’t let rational thought processes stop you from speculating based solely on political hatred. 

And this eloquently illustrates the reason I seldom post.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bill Cipher on August 11, 2019, 08:35:17 pm
And this eloquently illustrates the reason I seldom post.


Stop it.  Insults don't prove your point.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: xyno on August 11, 2019, 08:36:12 pm

Stop it.  Insults don't prove your point.

Apparently.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bill Cipher on August 11, 2019, 08:37:31 pm
   It certainly seems to me @Bill Cipher that no one here but you is willing to give the Clintons the benefit of the doubt. I wish you all the luck in the World.

I’m not giving anyone the benefit of the doubt.  I simply prefer facts over subjective political hatred.  If the Clintons had something to do with Epstein’s suicide, dig up some evidence.  They couldn’t hide a little blue dress, and since I doubt they waltzed into the prison in person, the murderer, if that is what happened, is out there somewhere.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mountaineer on August 11, 2019, 08:38:14 pm
Stop it.  Insults don't prove your point.
Well, aren't you just the namecaller?
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: TomSea on August 11, 2019, 09:33:27 pm
Quote
BNL NEWS
@BreakingNLive
BREAKING: Two of Jeffrey Epstein’s longtime attorney’s have hired criminal defense attorneys
3:13 PM · Aug 11, 2019·Twitter for iPhone

https://twitter.com/BreakingNLive/status/1160645470051602432

And the need to do this for what?? I mean, if we are saying the attorney's might be suspect, I do understand that but I didn't see that coming.

.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: sneakypete on August 11, 2019, 10:28:54 pm
Not so far fetched,  with his money and connections?

@catfish1957

His ego would never allow him to go unnoticed for more than a few days at a time.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Victoria33 on August 11, 2019, 11:02:29 pm
And the need to do this for what?? I mean, if we are saying the attorney's might be suspect, I do understand that but I didn't see that coming.
@TomSea

Didn't see it, either.  Both lawyers, however, know a lot.

Oh, just heard on TV medical examiner has finished his report on Epstein.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Sanguine on August 11, 2019, 11:08:13 pm
I wonder if the Ghislane Maxwell woman has gone into deep hiding.  And, what's her story?  Why did she help Epstein?
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: xyno on August 11, 2019, 11:18:52 pm
I heard some guy witnessed the suicide.  Tragically, he will die in an auto accident tomorrow.  Things happen.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: corbe on August 11, 2019, 11:23:07 pm
(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/67ca5797b8e75c3ea938608372f991a3e7b6cc8f7e1571200e9984285fc9746c.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Elderberry on August 11, 2019, 11:25:24 pm
NYC medical examiner completes autopsy on Jeffrey Epstein’s body, says cause of death still pending

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-medical-examiner-epstein-medical-examiner-20190811-xujxgnk7lncuvdfq2snew3uxba-story.html (https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-medical-examiner-epstein-medical-examiner-20190811-xujxgnk7lncuvdfq2snew3uxba-story.html)

New York City’s chief medical examiner performed an autopsy on the body of Jeffrey Epstein Sunday, but said that the cause of death was “pending further information at this time.”
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: bigheadfred on August 11, 2019, 11:30:04 pm
NYC medical examiner completes autopsy on Jeffrey Epstein’s body, says cause of death still pending

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-medical-examiner-epstein-medical-examiner-20190811-xujxgnk7lncuvdfq2snew3uxba-story.html (https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/ny-medical-examiner-epstein-medical-examiner-20190811-xujxgnk7lncuvdfq2snew3uxba-story.html)

New York City’s chief medical examiner performed an autopsy on the body of Jeffrey Epstein Sunday, but said that the cause of death was “pending further information at this time.”

 :silly:
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: DCPatriot on August 11, 2019, 11:41:18 pm
Next, we're going to be told, the body was cremated.  By 'mistake'.   /s
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: bigheadfred on August 11, 2019, 11:46:52 pm
 :silly: :silly:
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Applewood on August 12, 2019, 12:08:58 am
So now the medical examiner is in on the conspiracy.

 *****rollingeyes*****

Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: corbe on August 12, 2019, 12:13:08 am
   I'm with @DCPatriot on this one, odds are the Chevy Van catches on fire and burns everything on the way to his embalmment, on a train track with an oncoming (Trump) Train.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mountaineer on August 12, 2019, 12:15:26 am
So now the medical examiner is in on the conspiracy.
I'm waiting for Cyril Wecht to interject himself into the mystery.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Applewood on August 12, 2019, 12:20:10 am
I'm waiting for Cyril Wecht to interject himself into the mystery.

Would not be surprised.  Cyril can't stay out of the limelight for long.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: xyno on August 12, 2019, 12:24:57 am
This is making the rounds.

(https://conservativehardliner.com/sites/default/files/styles/max_1300x1300/public/2019-06/scooby_hrc-min.jpeg?itok=Jh4Iyl2D)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: bigheadfred on August 12, 2019, 12:26:54 am
 :silly: :rolling:
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: xyno on August 12, 2019, 12:40:29 am
(https://media.makeameme.org/created/jeffrey-epsteins-last.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mystery-ak on August 12, 2019, 12:44:41 am
Epstein victims plan to sue his estate: lawyers
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/457048-epstein-victims-plan-to-sue-his-estate-lawyers
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: corbe on August 12, 2019, 12:55:08 am
THE ALLMAN BROTHERS BAND -Can't Take It With You

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-lEtg6GqlI#)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: TomSea on August 12, 2019, 03:15:42 am
Quote
The Jerusalem Post
@Jerusalem_Post
·
44m
#BREAKING: The @nytimes
 is reporting that New York City's chief medical examiner is confident #JeffreyEpstein Epstein died by hanging himself in the jail cell where he was being held without bail on sex-trafficking charges.

https://twitter.com/Jerusalem_Post/status/1160740051053109248

I personally am disappointed, we can NOT believe NYT necessarily here, we know they've fibbed on domestic news before.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mystery-ak on August 12, 2019, 02:24:08 pm
PICTURED: Moment Jeffrey Epstein's body was wheeled into hospital in vain attempt to revive him - as it's revealed guards didn't check on him for HOURS and his cellmate was mysteriously transferred the night before he hanged himself

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7347339/Medical-examiner-says-cause-manner-Epsteins-death-pending-information.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7347339/Medical-examiner-says-cause-manner-Epsteins-death-pending-information.html)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mystery-ak on August 12, 2019, 02:24:54 pm
No Video Footage of Jeffrey Epstein’s Apparent Suicide Exists: Report
https://www.theepochtimes.com/no-video-footage-of-jeffrey-epsteins-apparent-suicide-exists-report_3038599.html (https://www.theepochtimes.com/no-video-footage-of-jeffrey-epsteins-apparent-suicide-exists-report_3038599.html)

Imagine that!
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: jmyrlefuller on August 12, 2019, 02:29:35 pm
No Video Footage of Jeffrey Epstein’s Apparent Suicide Exists: Report
https://www.theepochtimes.com/no-video-footage-of-jeffrey-epsteins-apparent-suicide-exists-report_3038599.html (https://www.theepochtimes.com/no-video-footage-of-jeffrey-epsteins-apparent-suicide-exists-report_3038599.html)

Imagine that!
Nameless, unidentified reports. Probably the hoax machine (Russian/left-wing false flaggers) putting out rumors to fuel the speculation.

Of course, if there is tape, there's no way in Hell that snuff film is ever going to see the light of day.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bigun on August 12, 2019, 02:30:04 pm
No Video Footage of Jeffrey Epstein’s Apparent Suicide Exists: Report
https://www.theepochtimes.com/no-video-footage-of-jeffrey-epsteins-apparent-suicide-exists-report_3038599.html (https://www.theepochtimes.com/no-video-footage-of-jeffrey-epsteins-apparent-suicide-exists-report_3038599.html)

Imagine that!

Just a coincidence I'm sure!  /s
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: sneakypete on August 12, 2019, 02:48:42 pm
PICTURED: Moment Jeffrey Epstein's body was wheeled into hospital in vain attempt to revive him - as it's revealed guards didn't check on him for HOURS and his cellmate was mysteriously transferred the night before he hanged himself

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7347339/Medical-examiner-says-cause-manner-Epsteins-death-pending-information.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7347339/Medical-examiner-says-cause-manner-Epsteins-death-pending-information.html)

@mystery-ak

I am sure that was all just a coinkydink.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: roamer_1 on August 12, 2019, 03:31:21 pm
@mystery-ak

I am sure that was all just a coinkydink.

@sneakypete
YEAH... next we'll find out the hallway cams mysteriously quit working... Only for a half hour or so, so probably just a glitch...
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: sneakypete on August 12, 2019, 03:48:07 pm
@sneakypete
YEAH... next we'll find out the hallway cams mysteriously quit working... Only for a half hour or so, so probably just a glitch...

@roamer_1

Don't ya just HATE it when that happens?
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: aligncare on August 12, 2019, 03:58:53 pm
Some around here on the radio in NY, familiar with the Manhattan Federal lockup, are saying he’s sitting in a safe house right now, because the feds want all the details he’s sitting on. And they don’t want any arkancide before they’re finished with him.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: truth_seeker on August 12, 2019, 04:10:19 pm
Some around here on the radio in NY, familiar with the Manhattan Federal lockup, are saying he’s sitting in a safe house right now, because the feds want all the details he’s sitting on. And they don’t want any arkancide before they’re finished with him.

Maybe he is undergoing "changes" to his physical identity, before arrival on an island somewhere.

It will be easy enough to locate a suitable substitute body.

The evidence indicates it isn't hard, to fool NYC authorities.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bill Cipher on August 12, 2019, 05:03:55 pm
Some around here on the radio in NY, familiar with the Manhattan Federal lockup, are saying he’s sitting in a safe house right now, because the feds want all the details he’s sitting on. And they don’t want any arkancide before they’re finished with him.

That would be an interesting turn of affairs. 
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: thackney on August 12, 2019, 05:20:11 pm
Some around here on the radio in NY, familiar with the Manhattan Federal lockup, are saying he’s sitting in a safe house right now, because the feds want all the details he’s sitting on. And they don’t want any arkancide before they’re finished with him.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2019/08/12/NYC-coroner-delays-autopsy-report-for-Jeffrey-Epstein/2121565607777/ (https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2019/08/12/NYC-coroner-delays-autopsy-report-for-Jeffrey-Epstein/2121565607777/)

...Chief Medical Examiner Barbara Sampson performed the autopsy Sunday on the accused billionaire, one day after he was found unresponsive in a Manhattan prison. Epstein, who's been held for more than a month and faced numerous counts of sex crimes, had been taken off suicide watch when he died.


Sampson said private pathologist Michael Baden observed the autopsy on behalf of Epstein's representatives. She said the autopsy report was delayed "pending further information," but did not specify....
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Sanguine on August 12, 2019, 05:23:27 pm
Some around here on the radio in NY, familiar with the Manhattan Federal lockup, are saying he’s sitting in a safe house right now, because the feds want all the details he’s sitting on. And they don’t want any arkancide before they’re finished with him.

Naw, he's dead, Jim. 
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bigun on August 12, 2019, 05:24:56 pm
Some around here on the radio in NY, familiar with the Manhattan Federal lockup, are saying he’s sitting in a safe house right now, because the feds want all the details he’s sitting on. And they don’t want any arkancide before they’re finished with him.

I'm not discounting ANYTHING and it is very likely that WE will never know the truth.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: truth_seeker on August 12, 2019, 05:45:54 pm
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2019/08/12/NYC-coroner-delays-autopsy-report-for-Jeffrey-Epstein/2121565607777/ (https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2019/08/12/NYC-coroner-delays-autopsy-report-for-Jeffrey-Epstein/2121565607777/)

...Chief Medical Examiner Barbara Sampson performed the autopsy Sunday on the accused billionaire, one day after he was found unresponsive in a Manhattan prison. Epstein, who's been held for more than a month and faced numerous counts of sex crimes, had been taken off suicide watch when he died.


Sampson said private pathologist Michael Baden observed the autopsy on behalf of Epstein's representatives. She said the autopsy report was delayed "pending further information," but did not specify....

Delayed to double check if they have the correct body?
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: roamer_1 on August 12, 2019, 05:49:22 pm
Delayed to double check if they have the correct body?

No, probably just waiting for the fire to go out in the Coroner's office.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: rustynail on August 12, 2019, 05:54:13 pm
No, probably just waiting for the fire to go out in the Coroner's office.

Don't be cynical this is all being handled by Topflight Union Employees.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: roamer_1 on August 12, 2019, 05:56:32 pm
Don't be cynical this is all being handled by Topflight Union Employees.

LOL! Yeah right.

 :beer:
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bigun on August 12, 2019, 05:57:22 pm
Don't be cynical this is all being handled by Topflight Union Employees.

 :yowsa:   :rolling: :rolling: :rolling: :rolling:
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: DCPatriot on August 12, 2019, 05:59:52 pm
Tough crowd here today....      :laugh:
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mystery-ak on August 12, 2019, 06:00:46 pm
Epstein's attorneys asked for him to be taken off suicide watch before death: Report
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/epsteins-attorneys-asked-for-him-to-be-taken-off-suicide-watch-before-death-report (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/epsteins-attorneys-asked-for-him-to-be-taken-off-suicide-watch-before-death-report)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mystery-ak on August 12, 2019, 06:02:05 pm
Barr to Epstein co-conspirators: You 'should not rest easy'
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/barr-to-epstein-co-conspirators-you-should-not-rest-easy (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/barr-to-epstein-co-conspirators-you-should-not-rest-easy)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: dfwgator on August 12, 2019, 06:10:26 pm
Barr to Epstein co-conspirators: You 'should not rest easy'
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/barr-to-epstein-co-conspirators-you-should-not-rest-easy (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/barr-to-epstein-co-conspirators-you-should-not-rest-easy)

Talk is cheap.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: XenaLee on August 12, 2019, 06:11:40 pm
Barr to Epstein co-conspirators: You 'should not rest easy'
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/barr-to-epstein-co-conspirators-you-should-not-rest-easy (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/barr-to-epstein-co-conspirators-you-should-not-rest-easy)

Deep State Translation:   Job well done.  You guys have nothing to worry about.  Have a party.  On us.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: truth_seeker on August 12, 2019, 06:25:15 pm
Assuming that Trump is defeated at the hands of dems, their media, their deep state, their big tech, #nevertrumpers (of the Amash/Flake variety), any unfinished "justice" items willl slowly fade away.

The daily task now, is kick the can down the road, run out the clock.

Barr talks, but has not delivered.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: edpc on August 12, 2019, 07:15:10 pm
Attorney General William Barr said Monday he learned of “serious irregularities” at the Manhattan prison where accused child sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein died Saturday.


Come on, man. There were ‘serious irregularities’ in the handling of the plea deal Epstein received, years ago. Someone high up in DOJ (or higher) signed off on it. Let’s get to the bottom of that, as well.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: berdie on August 12, 2019, 08:24:30 pm
It could have been prison incompetence. It could have been a murder.  It could have been suicide. And..

It could have been a sexual thing. Did he do a David Carridine thing? From what I have read and I think could be true he had a lot of control issues and more than likely had some sexuality proclivilities .

Disclaimer: That ain't my thing and if anyone I know is into it, they sure don't talk about it. In fact...I never heard of it before Carridine died.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mystery-ak on August 12, 2019, 08:27:00 pm
Jeffrey Epstein feared Hulk-like cellmate, ex-cop facing death for multiple murders, reports say
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2019/08/12/jeffrey-epstein-feared-hulk-like-cellmate-ex-cop-facing-death-for-multiple-murders-reports-say-784728 (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2019/08/12/jeffrey-epstein-feared-hulk-like-cellmate-ex-cop-facing-death-for-multiple-murders-reports-say-784728)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: roamer_1 on August 12, 2019, 08:30:13 pm
It could have been prison incompetence. It could have been a murder.  It could have been suicide. And..

It could have been a sexual thing. Did he do a David Carridine thing? From what I have read and I think could be true he had a lot of control issues and more than likely had some sexuality proclivilities .

Disclaimer: That ain't my thing and if anyone I know is into it, they sure don't talk about it. In fact...I never heard of it before Carridine died.

I think @bigheadfred said he was in the SHU. If that is so he had no means to commit suicide.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Sanguine on August 12, 2019, 08:34:43 pm
Epstein's attorneys asked for him to be taken off suicide watch before death: Report
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/epsteins-attorneys-asked-for-him-to-be-taken-off-suicide-watch-before-death-report (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/epsteins-attorneys-asked-for-him-to-be-taken-off-suicide-watch-before-death-report)

From that story:

Quote
Guards were supposed to check on Epstein every half hour according to his "special observation status," but no guards appeared to check on the prisoner the night he died. His status also required Epstein have a cellmate, but Epstein was left in his cell alone for hours on Friday night and Saturday morning after his cellmate was moved.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: berdie on August 12, 2019, 08:51:03 pm
I think @bigheadfred said he was in the SHU. If that is so he had no means to commit suicide.



I know that in Texas (due to felonious stupidity from a relative) that they are wrapped up in a straight jacket like garment.  But they don't have cell mates.

I don't know about where he was and he was taken off suicide watch. :shrug:
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Sanguine on August 12, 2019, 08:54:55 pm


I know that in Texas (due to felonious stupidity from a relative) that they are wrapped up in a straight jacket like garment.  But they don't have cell mates.

I don't know about where he was and he was taken off suicide watch. :shrug:

It's all in that link that Myst posted:  Epstein's attorneys asked for him to be taken off suicide watch before death: Report
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/epsteins-attorneys-asked-for-him-to-be-taken-off-suicide-watch-before-death-report (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/epsteins-attorneys-asked-for-him-to-be-taken-off-suicide-watch-before-death-report)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: roamer_1 on August 12, 2019, 08:56:33 pm


I know that in Texas (due to felonious stupidity from a relative) that they are wrapped up in a straight jacket like garment.  But they don't have cell mates.

I don't know about where he was and he was taken off suicide watch. :shrug:

He would not have been necessarily straight-jacketed, but in the SHU especially, nothing sharp, the sheets too thin and made to tear...
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: berdie on August 12, 2019, 09:07:20 pm
It's all in that link that Myst posted:  Epstein's attorneys asked for him to be taken off suicide watch before death: Report
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/epsteins-attorneys-asked-for-him-to-be-taken-off-suicide-watch-before-death-report (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/epsteins-attorneys-asked-for-him-to-be-taken-off-suicide-watch-before-death-report)



Thanks for the link @Sanguine and Myst.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: berdie on August 12, 2019, 09:13:28 pm
He would not have been necessarily straight-jacketed, but in the SHU especially, nothing sharp, the sheets too thin and made to tear...



This is going to sound very cold hearted since the man had no conviction....but I really don't care what happened to him.  It appears he dabbled in some very dicey things and with some pretty high profile people. What's the saying?  You play your money and ya get the prize.

I was just throwing out an alternative possibility .

Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: roamer_1 on August 12, 2019, 09:16:42 pm


This is going to sound very cold hearted since the man had no conviction....but I really don't care what happened to him.  It appears he dabbled in some very dicey things and with some pretty high profile people. What's the saying?  You play your money and ya get the prize.

I was just throwing out an alternative possibility .

That's right. Other than the convenience of his 'suicide' wrt others who should likewise be behind bars.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: dfwgator on August 12, 2019, 09:19:40 pm


This is going to sound very cold hearted since the man had no conviction....but I really don't care what happened to him.  It appears he dabbled in some very dicey things and with some pretty high profile people. What's the saying?  You play your money and ya get the prize.

I was just throwing out an alternative possibility .

He at least deserved a trial before his execution.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Wingnut on August 12, 2019, 09:47:37 pm
He at least deserved a trial before his execution.

The clintons like to put the cart before the horse.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: bigheadfred on August 12, 2019, 10:09:40 pm
I think @bigheadfred said he was in the SHU. If that is so he had no means to commit suicide.

That is what I read.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/after-his-suicide-watch-ended-jeffrey-epstein-was-left-to-look-after-himself (https://www.thedailybeast.com/after-his-suicide-watch-ended-jeffrey-epstein-was-left-to-look-after-himself)

After His Suicide Watch Ended, Jeffrey Epstein Was Left to Look After Himself

Epstein was returned from the suicide prevention room to the Special Housing Unit, where he had been found lying prone on the floor of his cell last month. The SHU doubles as a discipline unit and as a refuge for inmates who fear for their safety in the general population, as Epstein reportedly did.

Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: rustynail on August 12, 2019, 10:16:05 pm
Roll Away The Stone, The Return Of Jeffery Epstein!
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mystery-ak on August 12, 2019, 10:31:46 pm
FBI searches Jeffrey Epstein's home in Virgin Islands
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/457169-fbi-searches-jeffrey-epsteins-home-in-virgin-islands
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: corbe on August 12, 2019, 10:36:43 pm
Roll Away The Stone, The Return Of Jeffery Epstein!

Leon Russell Roll Away the Stone

Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBW6Zv72GEc#)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: EdJames on August 12, 2019, 10:41:13 pm
Something that casts some shade on the idea of an "unassisted" suicide, is that I believe he was still waiting for his appeal ruling on his bail request to come back....

 :shrug:
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: roamer_1 on August 12, 2019, 10:44:12 pm
The SHU doubles as a discipline unit and as a refuge for inmates who fear for their safety in the general population, as Epstein reportedly did.

For folks that maybe don't understand the lingo, pretty much every detention, from county on up has a SHU (shoe), and there are pretty standard protocols (generally) wrt operations. The SHU in any detention is likely the most highly regulated/monitored section of the whole joint, with the possible exception of a mental ward (if they have one).



Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bigun on August 12, 2019, 10:46:24 pm
Something that casts some shade on the idea of an "unassisted" suicide, is that I believe he was still waiting for his appeal ruling on his bail request to come back....

 :shrug:

There is currently so much shade on that it's hard to find any light at all.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mystery-ak on August 13, 2019, 01:15:48 pm
Jeffrey Epstein hanged himself with bedsheet: Report
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-hanged-himself-with-bed-sheet-report (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-hanged-himself-with-bed-sheet-report)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mystery-ak on August 13, 2019, 01:32:25 pm
“They’re Nothing, These Girls”: Unraveling the Mystery of Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein’s Enabler

“They’re Nothing, These Girls”: Unraveling the Mystery of Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein’s Enabler

She hired girls for him, shared his life with him, possibly hoped to marry him. And now she may be a target of a conspiracy charge.
By Vanessa Grigoriadis
August 12, 2019

more
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/the-mystery-of-ghislaine-maxwell-epstein-enabler (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/the-mystery-of-ghislaine-maxwell-epstein-enabler)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: XenaLee on August 13, 2019, 01:33:09 pm
Jeffrey Epstein hanged himself with bedsheet: Report
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-hanged-himself-with-bed-sheet-report (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-hanged-himself-with-bed-sheet-report)

Sorry... not buying it.   I believe Epstein was an egotistical coward and as such, too chicken to "off" himself.   Plus, there's that pesky report that he claimed that somebody tried to kill him previously... an incident that was "also" reported (conveniently) as his suicide attempt.   I'm calling BS.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mountaineer on August 13, 2019, 01:49:08 pm
I was under the impression former prisoners had indicated there's nothing on the beds to which a bedsheet (which we heard were just like paper) could be tied in any manner that would facilitate hanging oneself.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bigun on August 13, 2019, 01:50:16 pm
Sorry... not buying it.   I believe Epstein was an egotistical coward and as such, too chicken to "off" himself.   Plus, there's that pesky report that he claimed that somebody tried to kill him previously... an incident that was "also" reported (conveniently) as his suicide attempt.   I'm calling BS.

And besides all that, bedsheets in the kind of place he was being held are made of paper designed to tear easily.  No sale indeed!
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mountaineer on August 13, 2019, 02:13:09 pm
 :tinfoil: alert:
Quote
Isha E. RN,BSN. #MAGA
❌
@IshaRNBSN
EPSTEIN REPORTED NOT DEAD!  A Navy Intel source along wt German Ham Radio Operators reported that Epstein ws transferred 2 Ramstein Air Force base under heavy sedation. Escorted by heavy military contingency. Source said they have never seen so many military vehicles before.
3:03 PM · Aug 12, 2019
:thud:
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: XenaLee on August 13, 2019, 02:17:04 pm
And besides all that, bedsheets in the kind of place he was being held are made of paper designed to tear easily.  No sale indeed!

They think (and wish) that we are so gullible that we'll believe any crap they spew.   Most of us have been observing their spew for decades and know only too well how they LIE.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: jmyrlefuller on August 13, 2019, 02:25:28 pm
They think (and wish) that we are so gullible that we'll believe any crap they spew.   Most of us have been observing their spew for decades and know only too well how they LIE.
Don Lapre killed himself the same way.

Y'all are gullible. You believe every dubious claim being tossed out because it fits your conspiracy theory.

Crooked cowards routinely kill themselves to avoid punishment. It's twisted, but it's true.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: jmyrlefuller on August 13, 2019, 02:27:06 pm
Besides, why would a Dixie Mafia go so far as to kill someone when discrediting them as a liar and a crank is far easier and more effective?
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Sanguine on August 13, 2019, 03:05:31 pm
Besides, why would a Dixie Mafia go so far as to kill someone when discrediting them as a liar and a crank is far easier and more effective?

"Dixie Mafia"?   What does that mean?
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mountaineer on August 13, 2019, 03:59:17 pm
 CBS News
 August 13, 2019, 7:25 AM
Shrieking heard from Jeffrey Epstein's jail cell the morning he died


On the morning of Jeffrey Epstein's death there was shouting and shrieking from his jail cell, a source familiar with the situation told CBS News. Corrections officers attempted to revive him while saying "breathe, Epstein, breathe."

Congress is the latest to start investigating Epstein's apparent suicide over the weekend, with new reports raising questions about the federal jail where he was being held. One of Epstein's guards at the Metropolitan Correctional Center on the night he died was reportedly not a regular corrections officer.  ...  Rest of story at CBS News (note: not some rightwing tinfoil site) (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-death-shrieking-heard-jail-cell-morning-he-died-metropolitan-correctional-center/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=71953138)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mountaineer on August 13, 2019, 04:07:46 pm
Wait, no screaming, according to another inmate. This is so confusing!
Quote
‘Killer cop’ inmate says he heard nothing on morning of Jeffrey Epstein’s death
By Lia Eustachewich
August 13, 2019 | 9:30am | Updated

An inmate in the same unit where Jeffrey Epstein hanged himself heard nothing the morning of his death — but “knows a heck of a lot about what went on,” his lawyer said in a new report.

Nicholas Tartaglione, an ex-Westchester cop who faces the death penalty in a quadruple homicide upstate, was being held a few cells away from Epstein on Aug. 10, when he was found unresponsive around 6:30 a.m.

“Nobody heard anything. It was a silent act,” his lawyer Bruce Barket told NBC News.  ... NY Post (https://nypost.com/2019/08/13/killer-cop-inmate-says-he-heard-nothing-on-morning-of-jeffrey-epsteins-death/)
:shrug:
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mountaineer on August 13, 2019, 04:21:41 pm
Daniel Greenfield:
Quote
...   Jeffrey Epstein has a long history of being able to do what he wasn’t allowed to do in prison.

Instead of going to prison, after his original conviction, he spent time in the Palm Beach Stockade, checking himself out to go to his office, where he hired Palm Beach Sheriff’s Deputies to act as his security, referring to him as client, and keeping watch as women and girls went into his office.

"I am authorizing that his cell door be left unlocked," a county supervisor had written back in Florida.

In MCC, someone had authorized that Epstein be left alone in his cell while he died. Someone authorized that he be off suicide watch. Someone authorized that his guards be barely functional.

Someone.

MCC was supposed to be different. After suborning the justice systems of Florida, New Mexico, and New York, not to mention the Federal system, he was finally going to get what was coming to him.

And he did. Just not by way of the justice system.

Despite allegedly trying to commit suicide a few weeks ago, he was taken off suicide watch, again, where he would have been monitored in a special cell every 15 minutes for… reasons unknown.

Not only wasn't he monitored every 30 minutes, but he wasn't monitored for hours.

Reasons unknown ought to be Epstein’s epitaph.  ...
More at Sultan Knish (http://sultanknish.blogspot.com/2019/08/what-happened-to-jeffrey-epstein.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+FromNyToIsraelSultanRevealsTheStoriesBehindTheNews+%28from+NY+to+Israel+Sultan+Reveals+The+Stories+Behind+the+News%29)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: jmyrlefuller on August 13, 2019, 04:24:33 pm
"Dixie Mafia"?   What does that mean?
The alleged cartel associated with the Clintons responsible for all the Arkancide.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Sanguine on August 13, 2019, 04:29:11 pm
The alleged cartel associated with the Clintons responsible for all the Arkancide.

They left Arkancide behind many years ago.  They're global now.  "Dixie" doesn't apply.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: XenaLee on August 13, 2019, 04:33:24 pm
Don Lapre killed himself the same way.

Y'all are gullible. You believe every dubious claim being tossed out because it fits your conspiracy theory.

Crooked cowards routinely kill themselves to avoid punishment. It's twisted, but it's true.

Riiight.   We're gullible and you're a damned know it all.   Newsflash:  You don't "know" shit.  You're just speculating right along with the rest of us.

And then there's this....

Quote
Shrieking heard from Jeffrey Epstein's jail cell the morning he died

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-death-shrieking-heard-jail-cell-morning-he-died-metropolitan-correctional-center/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=71953138 (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-death-shrieking-heard-jail-cell-morning-he-died-metropolitan-correctional-center/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=71953138)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mystery-ak on August 13, 2019, 09:28:24 pm
Epstein video taped everything..per Fox....FBI raided his island home... tri22
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Sanguine on August 13, 2019, 09:32:11 pm
Epstein video taped everything..per Fox....FBI raided his island home... tri22

Oh, my. 
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: corbe on August 13, 2019, 09:44:03 pm
             One of Bill Clinton's Mentors in Arkansas, at least he gave sex scandals 'Class'.

(http://i2.wp.com/listverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/foxe.jpg?resize=632%2C316)

                                   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilbur_Mills (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilbur_Mills)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 13, 2019, 09:45:03 pm
Epstein video taped everything..per Fox....FBI raided his island home... tri22

Was there any evidence to be found?  If the FBI is just now getting there, it's been ransacked before now I'm sure.  And...if the FBI finds evidence, are they there to collect it or to burn it?
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: 240B on August 13, 2019, 09:46:04 pm
Epstein video taped everything..per Fox....FBI raided his island home... tri22
The problem with that is that we have learned with Trump how corrupt the FBI and the deep State are. The FBI have become more like Democrat Activists than they are 'law enforcement'.

What this means is that they will likely sift through the evidence carefully picking and choosing what they release and what they withhold, depending on how it will affect their obvious anti-Trump/pro-Democrat agenda. In short, the FBI can no longer be viewed as an unbiased law enforcement agency. They have more in common with Antifa than they do with Cops.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: 240B on August 13, 2019, 09:48:32 pm
Was there any evidence to be found?  If the FBI is just now getting there, it's been ransacked before now I'm sure.  And...if the FBI finds evidence, are they there to collect it or to burn it?
Exactly...
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mystery-ak on August 13, 2019, 09:56:27 pm
Was there any evidence to be found?  If the FBI is just now getting there, it's been ransacked before now I'm sure.  And...if the FBI finds evidence, are they there to collect it or to burn it?

I don't know..that is all that was said.

But I am guessing they already have these tapes..Epstein must have been using them as bargaining chips....time will tell I guess..maybe..lol
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: TomSea on August 13, 2019, 09:59:42 pm
:tinfoil: alert: :thud:

Quote
Isha E. RN,BSN. #MAGA
❌
@IshaRNBSN
EPSTEIN REPORTED NOT DEAD!  A Navy Intel source along wt German Ham Radio Operators reported that Epstein ws transferred 2 Ramstein Air Force base under heavy sedation. Escorted by heavy military contingency. Source said they have never seen so many military vehicles before.
3:03 PM · Aug 12, 2019

This was brought up previously some, it will be a hard sell.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: bigheadfred on August 13, 2019, 10:36:18 pm
This was brought up previously some, it will be a hard sell.

I've seen the X Files show.

I want to believe.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: EdJames on August 13, 2019, 10:42:27 pm
I've seen the X Files show.

I want to believe.

Believe in me, help me believe in anything,
'cause I wanna be someone who believes, yeah
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: DCPatriot on August 13, 2019, 11:00:58 pm
Believe in me, help me believe in anything,
'cause I wanna be someone who believes, yeah


 :laugh:
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mountaineer on August 13, 2019, 11:04:46 pm
Nothing to see here.
Quote
Jeffrey Epstein's death was posted anonymously on the 4Chan message board at least 40 minutes before it was officially announced on the news

    Jeffrey Epstein's death was reported anonymously on an internet message board 40 minutes before it was officially announced
    NYPD examined whether a responder posted information about the pedophile's death to 4Chan but then determined it was not the source
    The picture contained an image of Pepe, the green frog that has become commonly used by right wing trolls online 
    The circumstances of Epstein’s death will not be revealed until the coroner’s report is released

By Leah Mcdonald For Dailymail.com
Published: 14:28 EDT, 13 August 2019 | Updated: 16:35 EDT, 13 August 2019

Jeffrey Epstein's death was reported anonymously on an internet message board 40 minutes before it was officially announced.

The New York City Fire Department apprentice examined whether a responder called to the scene had posted about the pedophile's death on the 4Chan message board prior to officials announcing it to the public, BuzzFeed News reported.

An FDNY spokesman had claimed that officials 'determined this alleged information did not come from the Fire Department'. A spokesman declined to provide further detail on the matter to the news outlet.   ...
Story at Daily Mail (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7353375/Epsteins-death-news-officials-announced-it.html?fbclid=IwAR2WMpJz0lRyViNvCD041vG9ZfPLTxNuEYBrciT0cUbwzLNlK3LrzIEbwmc)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Sanguine on August 13, 2019, 11:08:30 pm
Nothing to see here.Story at Daily Mail (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7353375/Epsteins-death-news-officials-announced-it.html?fbclid=IwAR2WMpJz0lRyViNvCD041vG9ZfPLTxNuEYBrciT0cUbwzLNlK3LrzIEbwmc)

Well, that's odd.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: corbe on August 13, 2019, 11:11:56 pm
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FPakJRxJD6M/TyZSE9dRJ8I/AAAAAAAAFWA/75O36C-doeE/s1600/photos%2Bof%2BGillian%2BAnderson%2B01.jpg)

                 I still Believe.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: bigheadfred on August 13, 2019, 11:27:19 pm
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FPakJRxJD6M/TyZSE9dRJ8I/AAAAAAAAFWA/75O36C-doeE/s1600/photos%2Bof%2BGillian%2BAnderson%2B01.jpg)

                 I still Believe.

I believe ANY story on this EXCEPT Epstein committing suicide in a SHU.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: bigheadfred on August 13, 2019, 11:29:09 pm
Well, that's odd.

Any out of focus, grainy pics of the supposed event circulating yet? If not, I find that odd also.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2019, 11:35:34 pm
Wait, no screaming, according to another inmate. This is so confusing! :shrug:

@mountaineer

I wouldn't place any importance on anything that ex-cop/current prisoner has to say. He is looking at a death penalty for murdering 4 people in a drug deal that went bad. He will swear he saw Bugs Bunny killing Epstein if it would help him out.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mountaineer on August 13, 2019, 11:40:55 pm
Too bad "Law & Order" no longer is on TV. This would make for a heck of an episode.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: sneakypete on August 13, 2019, 11:41:27 pm
Was there any evidence to be found?  If the FBI is just now getting there, it's been ransacked before now I'm sure.  And...if the FBI finds evidence, are they there to collect it or to burn it?

@Cyber Liberty

I doubt they found anything in his home other than maybe some cash and a false passport or two. He has been in this game too long to store the blackmail material in his house that made him rich and kept him out of prison and the graveyard.

I have no doubt whatsoever he has miles of film and audio tapes hidden somewhere,but none of it will be anywhere easily found.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: bigheadfred on August 13, 2019, 11:42:40 pm
Too bad "Law & Order" no longer is on TV. This would make for a heck of an episode.

Too bad law and order aren't everywhere. It would make for a heck of a country.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Applewood on August 13, 2019, 11:49:52 pm
Too bad "Law & Order" no longer is on TV. This would make for a heck of an episode.

SVU is still around.  Perhaps next season we will see a "ripped from the headlines" episode where a wealthy financier in prison for operating a sex trafficking ring, is murdered by one of his prominent clients.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: 240B on August 13, 2019, 11:56:57 pm
@Cyber Liberty

I doubt they found anything in his home other than maybe some cash and a false passport or two. He has been in this game too long to store the blackmail material in his house that made him rich and kept him out of prison and the graveyard.

I have no doubt whatsoever he has miles of film and audio tapes hidden somewhere,but none of it will be anywhere easily found.
All the movies have a Dead Man's Switch. That is they always say, "In the event of my death a copy will be sent to XYZ", whoever.

The problem with Epstein is that anyone he could send it to, FBI, CIA, NYT, etc., they would more likely burn it than publish it, as was said before.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: bigheadfred on August 14, 2019, 12:03:23 am
All the movies have a Dead Man's Switch. That is they always say, "In the event of my death a copy will be sent to XYZ", whoever.

The problem with Epstein is that anyone he could send it to, FBI, CIA, NYT, etc., they would more likely burn it than publish it, as was said before.

Where is Julian Assange when you need him?
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: corbe on August 14, 2019, 12:12:19 am
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/0155d0109602f8c3e2504a1e2f4053eb/tumblr_nfgh5lbGHO1u1gzk1o1_500.gif)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bill Cipher on August 14, 2019, 12:15:23 am
I see the run on tinfoil is still going strong.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: TomSea on August 14, 2019, 12:20:58 am
This is from March of this year but I found this interesting BUT he was 96 so, like what does one expect? Still posting, I guess just a historic footnote:

Quote
Federal Judge Overseeing Release of Jeffrey Epstein’s Sealed Records Found Dead
March 29, 2019

(https://explainlife.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/2019-03-29_15-23-34.png)
ICYMI:

Robert Sweet, a federal judge presiding over a key lawsuit relating to wealthy, Clinton-connected financier Jeffrey Epstein, was found dead on Sunday. No cause of death has been announced.


Foxnews reported: Robert W. Sweet died at his home in Ketchum, Idaho, while on vacation, The New York Times reported. He was appointed by President Jimmy Carter in 1978. Politico reportedthat Sweet was presiding over the lawsuit that followed what many saw as an unusual plea deal for Jeffrey Epstein.

More: https://explainlife.com/federal-judge-overseeing-release-of-jeffrey-epsteins-sealed-records-found-dead-13652/
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: bigheadfred on August 14, 2019, 12:25:33 am
Sweet! Ketchum at home while on vacation!

wait...what?
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 14, 2019, 12:25:54 am
I see the run on tinfoil is still going strong.

It's the conspiracy theory of the century. 
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: sneakypete on August 14, 2019, 12:40:35 am
All the movies have a Dead Man's Switch. That is they always say, "In the event of my death a copy will be sent to XYZ", whoever.

The problem with Epstein is that anyone he could send it to, FBI, CIA, NYT, etc., they would more likely burn it than publish it, as was said before.

@240B

True,but he would have known a lot more about that than you and I.

I suspect his will be sent to insiders in another government,and these people will get them published.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 14, 2019, 12:42:30 am
@240B

True,but he would have known a lot more about that than you and I.

I suspect his will be sent to insiders in another government,and these people will get them published.

Probably a Prince?
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bigun on August 14, 2019, 12:43:15 am
I see the run on tinfoil is still going strong.

Guess you should have bought some Alcoa stock.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: bigheadfred on August 14, 2019, 01:01:13 am
Guess you should have bought some Alcoa stock.

They make tinfoil? Did not know that.

I figgered they just made Aluminium foil from the element of the same name and thus their name Aluminium Company Of America.

Lernt me sumpin' new.

and I kinda get the idea people are thinking people wear aluminium hats when they say tinfoil hats but that cant be right cause the atom number for aluminium is thirteen and wearing a number thirteen hat on your head would be freakishly weird like you were asking for trouble instead of voiding it
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: jmyrlefuller on August 14, 2019, 01:05:38 am
Too bad "Law & Order" no longer is on TV. This would make for a heck of an episode.
SVU is still around. Not quite the same, but since this is a sex fiend, it qualifies for that.

(RIP the late great Jerry Orbach)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Sanguine on August 14, 2019, 01:30:47 am
They make tinfoil? Did not know that.

I figgered they just made Aluminium foil from the element of the same name and thus their name Aluminium Company Of America.

Lernt me sumpin' new.

and I kinda get the idea people are thinking people wear aluminium hats when they say tinfoil hats but that cant be right cause the atom number for aluminium is thirteen and wearing a number thirteen hat on your head would be freakishly weird like you were asking for trouble instead of voiding it

Was there ever such a thing as tinfoil?  Or, was it always aluminum?
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: InHeavenThereIsNoBeer on August 14, 2019, 01:39:41 am
Was there ever such a thing as tinfoil?  Or, was it always aluminum?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_foil
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Applewood on August 14, 2019, 01:40:46 am
SVU is still around. Not quite the same, but since this is a sex fiend, it qualifies for that.

(RIP the late great Jerry Orbach)

Amen to that.  L&O just wasn't the same without him. 
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Hoodat on August 14, 2019, 01:43:38 am
Was there ever such a thing as tinfoil?  Or, was it always aluminum?

Yes, there was such a thing as tinfoil - made out of tin.  But aluminum became cheaper, and could be rolled thinner than tin.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mystery-ak on August 14, 2019, 01:43:40 am
Corrections officers may have falsified Epstein reports
by Jerry Dunleavy
 | August 13, 2019 08:41 PM



The prison guards for alleged child sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein may have falsified the records showing that they were checking in on the jet-setting financier leading up to his apparent suicide at the Manhattan Correctional Center on Saturday.

Mola Lenghi of CBS News reported Tuesday evening that a law enforcement source said “corrections officers may have falsified the reports that they checked on Jeffrey Epstein as required by protocol.” He further said Epstein had been assigned a cellmate, but the fellow prisoner posted bail on Friday, leaving Epstein alone the day before he died. Lenghi said another source noted that “it appears Epstein had been dead one to two hours before he was found.”

more
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/corrections-officers-may-have-falsified-epstein-reports (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/corrections-officers-may-have-falsified-epstein-reports)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Sanguine on August 14, 2019, 01:49:59 am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_foil

Learned something new; thanks!
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Sanguine on August 14, 2019, 01:50:51 am
Yes, there was such a thing as tinfoil - made out of tin.  But aluminum became cheaper, and could be rolled thinner than tin.

And, apparently didn't impart a tinny taste to food wrapped in it. 
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Hoodat on August 14, 2019, 01:51:26 am
As a SHU inmate, Epstein would have had his status reviewed and fully documented every five days.  Where are these records?
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: roamer_1 on August 14, 2019, 01:53:12 am
And, apparently didn't impart a tinny taste to food wrapped in it.

Yeah, but now you've got to wrap a hobo stew in 4 or 5 layers before you throw it in the coals where it will get jill-poked and run out the bottom...
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mystery-ak on August 14, 2019, 01:55:25 am
As a SHU inmate, Epstein would have had his status reviewed and fully documented every five days.  Where are these records?

I also heard on Fox over the weekend that this facility uses paper sheets to prevent something like this happening...has anyone else seen or heard this?

Hats for everyone

(https://c8.alamy.com/comp/KXE6CD/group-of-people-with-foil-on-their-heads-discussing-conspiracy-theories-KXE6CD.jpg)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bigun on August 14, 2019, 02:04:02 am
I also heard on Fox over the weekend that this facility uses paper sheets to prevent something like this happening...has anyone else seen or heard this?



Yes.  I mentioned it earlier today.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: bigheadfred on August 14, 2019, 02:05:42 am
Was there ever such a thing as tinfoil?  Or, was it always aluminum?

oh yeah like the romans conquered britain to steal their tin and later on when they were making pots and a tinker fixed it right you had a good pot because he soldered it right using a tinker's dam but then modern greed hit and they started supergluing a piece of tinfoil over the hole except they didn't have superglue so tinker's weren't worth a damn and there comes the phrase "curses, foiled again" cause your chicken soup pot wouldnt hold water long enough to make chicken soup and i bet people thought that phrase came from the rocky and bullwinkle show

Now back to our regular broadcasting.

Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: EdJames on August 14, 2019, 02:13:17 am
oh yeah like the romans conquered britain to steal their tin and later on when they were making pots and a tinker fixed it right you had a good pot because he soldered it right using a tinker's dam but then modern greed hit and they started supergluing a piece of tinfoil over the hole except they didn't have superglue so tinker's weren't worth a damn and there comes the phrase "curses, foiled again" cause your chicken soup pot wouldnt hold water long enough to make chicken soup and i bet people thought that phrase came from the rocky and bullwinkle show

Now back to our regular broadcasting.

Completely right, Fred.

That is why I often say I don't give a tinker's damn about things....
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Sanguine on August 14, 2019, 02:13:22 am
I understand that in the last 40 years there has only been one suicide in this facility.  The Daniel Greenfield piece posted here is full of information:  http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,372011.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,372011.0.html)
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: bigheadfred on August 14, 2019, 02:16:12 am
I understand that in the last 40 years there has only been one suicide in this facility.  The Daniel Greenfield piece posted here is full of information:  http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,372011.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,372011.0.html)

TBR has been here for 40 years and there has only been one suicide?

Unfreakingbelievable.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Sanguine on August 14, 2019, 02:17:52 am
TBR has been here for 40 years and there has only been one suicide?

Unfreakingbelievable.

 22222frying pan

You're full of it tonight! 
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 14, 2019, 02:18:20 am
TBR has been here for 40 years and there has only been one suicide?

Unfreakingbelievable.

We're omnipresent, @bigheadfred.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bigun on August 14, 2019, 02:24:47 am
22222frying pan

You're full of it tonight!

Mrs Bighead made him some brownies.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: TomSea on August 14, 2019, 02:26:53 am
Rush covered those paper sheets, etc. today fairly well on his show today. He talked about some Giuliani interview, I'm glad the warden has been reassigned and the guards? how is it, given a leave.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: bigheadfred on August 14, 2019, 02:27:10 am
We're omnipresent, @bigheadfred.

Sooo...

I bet if you woulda given this jail a small percent of that omnipresent instead of hogging it all this Epstein guy wouldn't be in Germany.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: bigheadfred on August 14, 2019, 02:36:56 am
Mrs Bighead made him some brownies.

 LOL! She did, too (really). They are only regular brownies, though.

It has been fun ya'll. At least for me. But I need to head for bed. I pulled something in my shoulder fixing a water leak under the house and it ached all last night. So I am out. See ya tomorrow.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bigun on August 14, 2019, 02:42:52 am
LOL! She did, too (really). They are only regular brownies, though.

It has been fun ya'll. At least for me. But I need to head for bed. I pulled something in my shoulder fixing a water leak under the house and it ached all last night. So I am out. See ya tomorrow.

Night Fred! 
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Sanguine on August 14, 2019, 02:48:42 am
Sleep tight, Fred.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 14, 2019, 03:12:35 am
G'Night, Fred!
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: verga on August 14, 2019, 11:57:05 am
Too bad "Law & Order" no longer is on TV. This would make for a heck of an episode.
They could still do it on SVU
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mountaineer on August 14, 2019, 12:47:45 pm
SVU is a pale imitation of the original L&O. The writing and acting are pretty bad, too. But since that's all that's left of the franchise, it will have to do! I may even watch the Epstein-based episode, even thought they'll probably (in true L&O fashion) blame the whole thing on pro-lifers, Second Amendment supporters or Christians.  :laugh:
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: mystery-ak on August 14, 2019, 01:18:16 pm
Epstein guards fell asleep, did not check him for hours: report
https://thehill.com/homenews/457346-epstein-guards-fell-asleep-did-not-check-him-for-hours-report
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Applewood on August 14, 2019, 01:57:16 pm
SVU is a pale imitation of the original L&O. The writing and acting are pretty bad, too. But since that's all that's left of the franchise, it will have to do! I may even watch the Epstein-based episode, even thought they'll probably (in true L&O fashion) blame the whole thing on pro-lifers, Second Amendment supporters or Christians.  :laugh:

I still watch SVU.  Actually, I think it has improved considerably the last few years.  Certainly, the squad room set is much brighter than the old one.  The old one was downright depressing.

Don't think the show has blamed too many crimes on pro-life, 2nd Amendment supporters or Christians lately.  They have been focused considerably on Muslims and illegals as victims and Benson's character being raped, kidnapped or something.  For a trained police officer, she seems to get into an unusual amount of trouble.  LOL

Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: edpc on August 14, 2019, 02:46:56 pm
Epstein guards fell asleep, did not check him for hours: report
https://thehill.com/homenews/457346-epstein-guards-fell-asleep-did-not-check-him-for-hours-report (https://thehill.com/homenews/457346-epstein-guards-fell-asleep-did-not-check-him-for-hours-report)


NEW YORK (AP) — Jail guards on duty the night Jeffrey Epstein apparently killed himself are suspected of falsifying log entries to show they were checking on inmates every half-hour as required, according to a person familiar with the investigation into his death.

Surveillance video shows guards never made some of the checks noted in the log, said the person, who was not authorized to disclose information about the case and spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity Tuesday.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/ap-source-epstein-jail-guards-120116391.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/ap-source-epstein-jail-guards-120116391.html)


It’s probably appropriate to invoke a quote from a Lewis Carroll book, when discussing Epstein - Curiouser and curiouser.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: 240B on August 14, 2019, 03:58:01 pm

Developing...Just saw on Twitter: the medical examiner fell asleep and Epstein cremated himself.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: TomSea on August 14, 2019, 04:18:04 pm
Yes, this is officially a mess and I also find the story of guards falling asleep to be difficult to believe. Also, I forget now, they say some paperwork record-keeping for that day is out of order.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: roamer_1 on August 14, 2019, 04:23:37 pm
Epstein cremated himself.

THAT BASTARD!!!
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 14, 2019, 04:46:45 pm
Yes, this is officially a mess and I also find the story of guards falling asleep to be difficult to believe. Also, I forget now, they say some paperwork record-keeping for that day is out of order.

The "guards" falsified their logs, to show they looked in on him every 30 minutes.  A quick check of the body temperature indicated that was false because he was dead at least an hour and a half before the body was discovered.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bill Cipher on August 14, 2019, 04:48:05 pm
Yes, this is officially a mess and I also find the story of guards falling asleep to be difficult to believe. Also, I forget now, they say some paperwork record-keeping for that day is out of order.

Please.  That’s par for the course.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Cyber Liberty on August 14, 2019, 05:02:36 pm
Please.  That’s par for the course.

You are correct, Sir!  [/Ed McMahon voice]

It's good to have the occasional reminder government very rarely shoots a Birdie an Eagle.
Title: Re: BREAKING - Sources: Jeffrey Epstein dies by suicide in Manhattan jail
Post by: Bigun on August 14, 2019, 05:07:40 pm
Please.  That’s par for the course.

Perhaps in NY, but here in Texas, one time is too many.