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Yes, it’s way too early...but it might be informative to see who our little internal sample of conservatives see as the best 5 Presidential candidates for 2024.
My picks are:
1. Donald J Trump
2. Ted Cruz
3. Rand Paul
4. Ron DeSantis
5. Josh Hawley
Honorable Mention: Greg Abbott, Kristi Noem
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Since there's no corresponding article, shouldn't this be moved to "General Discussion" or even to "Members Only" @Cyber Liberty
This has dumpster fire written all over it and there really is other political news.
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Since there's no corresponding article, shouldn't this be moved to "General Discussion" or even to "Members Only" @Cyber Liberty
This has dumpster fire written all over it and there really is other political news.
:pondering:
I think it would benefit if I add a Poll and moved it into Polls....
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:pondering:
I think it would benefit if I add a Poll and moved it into Polls....
Even better happy77
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Not sure who Rob DeSantis is, but I would be willing to vote for Ron DeSantis.
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Just say NO to the Nikki Haley movement.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-WnP9hy11_Ao/YB6gmk5Gz7I/AAAAAAAAxIQ/BieGdbeUu5Anv3-8SDoJqAFjksG5q-C2QCLcBGAsYHQ/w400-h296/daily_gifdump_3450_17.gif)
She ate to much Toilet Paper as a child.
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1. Cotton
2. Cruz
3. DeSantis
4. Hawley
5. Noem
Nikki Haley can GTH...
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Ted Cruz will never be president due to natural-born-citizenship issues.
Before you jump in and say, "obama"...
Before you jump in and say, "harris"...
Remember:
"Rules for thee, and NOT for me."
The left -- and the press -- will attack Cruz relentlessly on this, until he's forced to drop out of the running...
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Ted Cruz will never be president due to natural-born-citizenship issues.
Before you jump in and say, "obama"...
Before you jump in and say, "harris"...
Remember:
"Rules for thee, and NOT for me."
The left -- and the press -- will attack Cruz relentlessly on this, until he's forced to drop out of the running...
First of all, UNTIL we get the issue of election fraud settled and fixed and the RNC gets their act together and gets rid of Ronna; we're not going to see another election. Also keep in mind that the DEMS WILL change the electoral process.
But I'll play along....
I still would vote for Ted.
I would like to see a Noem Cruz or Cruz Noem ticket.
I think we're playing with fire as far as DeSantis....he's one to consider but I think this coming year will be more revealing as far as his conservatism.
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Kristi Noem.
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Yes, it’s way too early...but it might be informative to see who our little internal sample of conservatives see as the best 5 Presidential candidates for 2024.
My picks are:
1. Donald J Trump
2. Ted Cruz
3. Rand Paul
4. Ron DeSantis
5. Josh Hawley
Honorable Mention: Greg Abbott, Kristi Noem
Not Tump.
Not Senators.
Look to governors and leave the senators be.
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Not Tump.
Not Senators.
Look to governors and leave the senators be.
IMHO by 2024 Trump will be too old. I think Don Jr. will run. Over everyone, I pick Noem.
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IMHO by 2024 Trump will be too old. I think Don Jr. will run. Over everyone, I pick Noem.
No more Tumps. I want a seasoned governor with an impeccable Conservative record. It used to be common knowledge to let congressmen and senators go run a state for a while before letting them be president. I think that is the best of all worlds.
I would look seriously at a businessman that had serious conservative credz... But not an international one, or one from a large corp.
That being said, I would pull the lever for Cotton or Paul, and probably Cruz. I don't know Noem from a row of pins, so I would have to research that guy.
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Interesting comments. One person does not know Gov DeSantis, FL, another Gov Christy Noem, SD.
If Trump does run, he gets the nomination. PERIOD!!!!
And if he doesn't, I say it is Gov DeSantis, FL or Gov Noem, SD. I can easily see a pairing of the two, most likely DeSantis/Noem.
I am not sure what problem the person(s) have with DeSantis. I like what he has done, for he has shown strong leadership ability during this pandemic. So too, Gov Noem has shown extraordinary leadership ability and represented her people well, despite being a small population state. It is possible she could become the first female POTUS.
I am in the senators are not qualified club. Cruz and Cotton may well run, but I do not seeing either one rising to the top.
So Tier 1 is Trump; no Trump, Tier 2 are Governors DeSantis and Noem.
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No more Tumps. I want a seasoned governor with an impeccable Conservative record. It used to be common knowledge to let congressmen and senators go run a state for a while before letting them be president. I think that is the best of all worlds.
I would look seriously at a businessman that had serious conservative credz... But not an international one, or one from a large corp.
That being said, I would pull the lever for Cotton or Paul, and probably Cruz. I don't know Noem from a row of pins, so I would have to research that guy.
That "guy":
(https://www.wnd.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/noem-300x300.jpg)
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That "guy":
(https://www.wnd.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/noem-300x300.jpg)
Ah. Thanks for the correction. As I said, I am unfamiliar. I don't pay it much mind until the silly season, when all the hats are in the ring, and choices resolve... Then it is a simple matter to look at the record and score the field.
The only way that changes is when there is a movement afoot, with an intent to throw the bastards out - and a candidate(s) should be groomed. I don't need to develop emotional attachments that cloud reason... So I mainly attend the record.
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Ah. Thanks for the correction. As I said, I am unfamiliar. I don't pay it much mind until the silly season, when all the hats are in the ring, and choices resolve... Then it is a simple matter to look at the record and score the field.
The only way that changes is when there is a movement afoot, with an intent to throw the bastards out - and a candidate(s) should be groomed. I don't need to develop emotional attachments that cloud reason... So I mainly attend the record.
She is the current governor of S. Dakota. So far she has a very conservative record and her speech at Mt. Rushmore was inspiring and very conservative.
She is one to consider, HOWEVER, she's only been governor for a year and making sure she is conservative enough is really important. The bills that she signs needs to be closely examined as well as her speeches and the actions that she takes from now til 2022 as governor. I like her, and so far, I place her at the top of my list of potentials, but she needs further scrutiny and evaluation as does every single person considered including the five listed. They all need to be continually evaluated for their conservatism. Constitutional conservatism is what is needed.
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She is the current governor of S. Dakota. She has a very conservative record and her speech at Mt. Rushmore was awe inspiring and very conservative.
Ah. SODAK. The one who stood against the mask mandates and lockdowns? I remember that. very good.
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Rand Paul
Ted Cruz
Ron DeSantis
Cristy Noem
John Stossel
The corpse of Milton Friedman (likely more alert than Biden)
Greg Abbot
Rick Perry
Marjorie Taylor Greene (just to see some heads explode)
Scott Adams
The Buffalo Hat Guy
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Rand Paul
Ted Cruz
Ron DeSantis
Cristy Noem
John Stossel
The corpse of Milton Friedman (likely more alert than Biden)
Greg Abbot
Rick Perry
Marjorie Taylor Greene (just to see some heads explode)
Scott Adams
The Buffalo Hat Guy
I would eliminate Rick Perry. I like him well enough and he was a great governor, but he was also involved in the plan for a North American Union and ties into that with Giuliani. I also didn't like his mandates on forced vaccinations for HPV.
As for DeSantis, he is my governor here in FL and on the surface he seems conservative enough, but he also gave the head of our FL Dept. of Health the authority to quarantine anyone who they felt was a threat to the health security of the state....not exactly a conservative move. I continue to watch him. He absolutely failed as well on the unemployment rollout and xtended govt assistance. Lots of people are still owed money and lots of people haven't seen a dime. Where is all that $$$?? He spent millions to repair that system, but it still failed. He appointed Dane Eagle, who lost his district seat and who I've met personally. He has voted conservatively to handle the mess and I'm waiting to see what happens.
No one is perfect, but I don't care to look past DeSantis' flaws right now.
Greene is too new and one to watch, I don't know Buffalo Hat guy. The others for now seem like good viable candidates; however under the Constitution Ted really isn't eligible.
I still lean towards Noem, but as I stated up thread, she's new and I think she still needs to be closely watched and evaluated. They ALL do.
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Rand Paul
Ted Cruz
Ron DeSantis
Cristy Noem
John Stossel
The corpse of Milton Friedman (likely more alert than Biden)
Greg Abbot
Rick Perry
Marjorie Taylor Greene (just to see some heads explode)
Scott Adams
The Buffalo Hat Guy
I'll take any one of the governors you mention over any of the senators.
In this order at the moment.
1. Cristy Noem (because she is female)
2. Ron Desantis
3. Gregg Abbott
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Alright... Since we're playing...
According to the RECORD: Which of the names on this thread are
1. Of unimpeachable character. Word matters. If they are not of good character, how do you know they will keep their promises.
2. Capable of assembling a coalition. The primary function of a leader is the ability to provide organization and direction around a common cause. The army of voters is of little use without corporals and sergeants, lieutenants, colonels and generals... It ain't a kingdom. It ain't about ordination and appointment on high. It is about coalescence and cohesion that those that matter and can be effective are available for ordination and appointment in the first place.
3. Will NOT betray libertarianism.
4. Will NOT betray fiscal conservatism.
5. Will NOT betray social conservatism.
6. will NOT betray defense and foreign policy conservatism.
NOBODY goes under the bus or we WILL lose - Even if we win, without those interlaced and interlocking principles standing unmolested, any victory will be to no avail, as has been proven over and over and over again.
And once those prerequisites are well satisfied: Who among them will win ground for those self same principles?
Because y'all have to get serious about it if you want to save America. ONLY libertarianism, fiscal conservatism, a strong moral sense built around Yah, and the ability to defeat our enemies will save us. PERIOD.
Y'all. No more time for concessions. No more time for compromise. You WILL defend her by those principles, or you WILL defend her with your blood. That's all she wrote. Without utterly deadly conviction, all is lost already.
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Alright... Since we're playing...
According to the RECORD: Which of the names on this thread are
1. Of unimpeachable character. Word matters. If they are not of good character, how do you know they will keep their promises.
2. Capable of assembling a coalition. The primary function of a leader is the ability to provide organization and direction around a common cause. The army of voters is of little use without corporals and sergeants, lieutenants, colonels and generals... It ain't a kingdom. It ain't about ordination and appointment on high. It is about coalescence and cohesion that those that matter and can be effective are available for ordination and appointment in the first place.
3. Will NOT betray libertarianism.
4. Will NOT betray fiscal conservatism.
5. Will NOT betray social conservatism.
6. will NOT betray defense and foreign policy conservatism.
NOBODY goes under the bus or we WILL lose - Even if we win, without those interlaced and interlocking principles standing unmolested, any victory will be to no avail, as has been proven over and over and over again.
And once those prerequisites are well satisfied: Who among them will win ground for those self same principles?
Because y'all have to get serious about it if you want to save America. ONLY libertarianism, fiscal conservatism, a strong moral sense built around Yah, and the ability to defeat our enemies will save us. PERIOD.
Y'all. No more time for concessions. No more time for compromise. You WILL defend her by those principles, or you WILL defend her with your blood. That's all she wrote. Without utterly deadly conviction, all is lost already.
Since this is a poll thread, do you have anybody you like for President?
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Since this is a poll thread, do you have anybody you like for President?
That being said, I would pull the lever for Cotton or Paul, and probably Cruz. I don't know Noem from a row of pins, so I would have to research that guy.
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Sorry...I got lost in "that guy." LOL! She's good so far, but a shallow record. I like Cruz and Cotton, but I still prefer a Governor with executive experience. The top skill of a Senator seems to be to compromise.
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Sorry...I got lost in "that guy." LOL! She's good so far, but a shallow record.
Right. But she does have balls. Which is more than I can say for most. She stood in that maelstrom and would not move. Conviction shows character. Predictably, I can vote for that.
I like Cruz and Cotton, but I still prefer a Governor with executive experience. The top skill of a Senator seems to be to compromise.
That's right. I would much prefer a governor, which used to be the rule of thumb.
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Sorry...I got lost in "that guy." LOL! She's good so far, but a shallow record. I like Cruz and Cotton, but I still prefer a Governor with executive experience. The top skill of a Senator seems to be to compromise.
I concur. Noem looks good so far, more digging and time will tell. She sure stood up to the GOPe and the Medical Micromanagers.
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Yes, it’s way too early...but it might be informative to see who our little internal sample of conservatives see as the best 5 Presidential candidates for 2024.
My picks are:
1. Donald J Trump
2. Ted Cruz
3. Rand Paul
4. Ron DeSantis
5. Josh Hawley
Honorable Mention: Greg Abbott, Kristi Noem
There is only one candidate and we all know it.
He is the leader of our party.
Because an election was stolen does not mean we throw a fine man under the bus.
The Donald.
Donald Trump.
It is disgusting to see Never Trumper action on a relatively conservative political site.
Slide Rule.
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Any of those listed, and add Noem.
I do not know yet if Trump will run again.
I guess we will all know in 4 years.
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Ah. SODAK. The one who stood against the mask mandates and lockdowns? I remember that. very good.
And that's where she shot up my leaderboard. I'd heard of Noem when she'd been in SD's at-large Congress seat. (She's also responsible for unleashing Tomi Lahren on the world, since Noem hired her as a staffer before OAN plucked her up—but I can forgive her for that.)
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There is only one candidate and we all know it.
He is the leader of our party.
Because an election was stolen does not mean we throw a fine man under the bus.
The Donald.
Donald Trump.
It is disgusting to see Never Trumper action on a relatively conservative political site.
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You are kidding I hope. There are many of us Trump supporters that are more than willing to have some one new take the mantle and run with his ideas. Calling everyone here a NT who doesn't want him in 2024 is a losing hand.
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You are kidding I hope. There are many of us Trump supporters that are more than willing to have some one new take the mantle and run with his ideas. Calling everyone here a NT who doesn't want him in 2024 is a losing hand.
Agreed. Right now, he's just trying to make it through his 2nd ridiculous impeachment. Give the guy a break, he'll be 78 in 2024.
First thing of order; find a way to even have a fair election, otherwise, it's not going to matter who runs, the DEMS will seat who they want.
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And that's where she shot up my leaderboard. I'd heard of Noem when she'd been in SD's at-large Congress seat. (She's also responsible for unleashing Tomi Lahren on the world, since Noem hired her as a staffer before OAN plucked her up—but I can forgive her for that.)
Shrugs :shrug:
Can't say yet... I LIKE that she stood directly in libertarianism in a maelstrom against it and would_not_move. That speaks of character. But I don't get distracted by shiny things. I can applaud it for sure, but how is she doing on budget? Where is she on defense and moral issues? Because I will not settle for less than the whole enchilada.
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Cruz
Jordan
Lee
Zeldin
DeSantis
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There are few here that would claim Trump does not have a LOCK ON 2024, should he decide to run. However, he will be four years older, and after he has a chance to unwind and return to life as normal, he might just decide it is not worth his time. I would not blame him.
And worse yet, the corrupt media will be ruthless. Now we all know he has nothing but scorn for these wankers, but one does get to a point where if you cannot line them up and deal with them as they well deserve, then who needs their bullsh*t. For their inappropriate behavior, many should have been tossed from the Press Corp long ago. The lack of integrity and professionalism is tiresome.
So, should Trump say no, then I like Noem for one more key reason, she is not a stinking lawyer. I have zero love for lawyers. Now, Desantis, I like him, but he is a Harvard lawyer, and I think Harvard is a school I would like to see slide in regard within America, for I believe it is grossly overrated.
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Candace Owens is talking about throwing in her hat, too. Not sure if she's serious or not, though ....
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Well, Noem would now be out for me; she favors pathway for illegals to citizenship. She is considered a libertarian conservative. Her stance on other issues (link below).
I won't be voting GOP anyways. The party deserves to die. A new party and renewed constitutional gov't needs to be inserted.
https://www.ontheissues.org/house/Kristi_Noem.htm (https://www.ontheissues.org/house/Kristi_Noem.htm)
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Shrugs :shrug:
Can't say yet... I LIKE that she stood directly in libertarianism in a maelstrom against it and would_not_move. That speaks of character. But I don't get distracted by shiny things. I can applaud it for sure, but how is she doing on budget? Where is she on defense and moral issues? Because I will not settle for less than the whole enchilada.
@roamer_1 article on budget:
https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/08/read-gov-kristi-noems-full-budget-address-south-dakota-legislature/6494471002/ (https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/08/read-gov-kristi-noems-full-budget-address-south-dakota-legislature/6494471002/)
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Well, Noem would now be out for me; she favors pathway for illegals to citizenship. She is considered a libertarian conservative. Her stance on other issues (link below).
**nononono*
@roamer_1 article on budget:
https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/08/read-gov-kristi-noems-full-budget-address-south-dakota-legislature/6494471002/ (https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/politics/2020/12/08/read-gov-kristi-noems-full-budget-address-south-dakota-legislature/6494471002/)
NOPE. Full_Dead_Stop. 'Path to Citizenship' is a non-starter. *NOT* libertarian, *NOT* law and order. Hence I have no interest in her budget or anything else.
Tough sh*t, there it is. :shrug:
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You are kidding I hope. There are many of us Trump supporters that are more than willing to have some one new take the mantle and run with his ideas. Calling everyone here a NT who doesn't want him in 2024 is a losing hand.
I didn't say everyone, only it seemed bad form for this topic at this time on a relatively conservative forum.
Or, are you feeling guilty?
When I kid, you will know it.
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I didn't say everyone, only it seemed bad form for this topic at this time on a relatively conservative forum.
Or, are you feeling guilty?
When I kid, you will know it.
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Feeling Guilty? I posted this list earlier and the thread, and stand by it, as the best choices we got right now.
1. Cotton
2. Cruz
3. DeSantis
4. Hawley
5. Noem
If we can get one of these 5 to run with wisdom and demeanor of Reagan, while having Trump bamblast the opposition... In a fair election, we would win in a landslide.
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**nononono*
NOPE. Full_Dead_Stop. 'Path to Citizenship' is a non-starter. *NOT* libertarian, *NOT* law and order. Hence I have no interest in her budget or anything else.
Tough sh*t, there it is. :shrug:
Absolutely agree. The GOP needs a solid conservative; the DEMS and the GOPe will never allow the 5 listed to stand a chance of being nominated. Above all, obviously, we need a fair election otherwise regardless who the GOP runs is a mute issue.
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Absolutely agree. The GOP needs a solid conservative; the DEMS and the GOPe will never allow the 5 listed to stand a chance of being nominated. Above all, obviously, we need a fair election otherwise regardless who the GOP runs is a mute issue.
That's all right. :beer:
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Absolutely agree. The GOP needs a solid conservative; the DEMS and the GOPe will never allow the 5 listed to stand a chance of being nominated. Above all, obviously, we need a fair election otherwise regardless who the GOP runs is a mute issue.
Exactly, when they pulled off this coup, they realized this could be done with a squelched opposition.
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Anyone but Trump. And reminder that I voted for him twice.
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Feeling Guilty? I posted this list earlier and the thread, and stand by it, as the best choices we got right now.
1. Cotton
2. Cruz
3. DeSantis
4. Hawley
5. Noem
If we can get one of these 5 to run with wisdom and demeanor of Reagan, while having Trump bamblast the opposition... In a fair election, we would win in a landslide.
I hate it when a partial post disappears. Try again.
There seem to be many qualifications in you post.
The Marxists would treat any other candidate better than they have treated Trump?
They have gained power from their steal. What would be the incentive to welcome a Reagan look or sound alike?
I doubt the present Marxists would welcome anyone you could pick, or worse anyone I could pick.
They are not going by the Constitution, by precedence, nor by civility. I expect that to continue and escallate.
On that basis, we need as dangerous a person as can be elected. Not dangerous because of what he would do,
but dangerous of what he is capable of doing. Lefties in history respect power.
We need the most powerful candidate we can find. I doubt a strong candidate would assume a cheerleader role.
We still have the issue of a rigged election with voting machines connected to the internet. This has installed leaders
worldwide that appeal to the left. Why would they abandon such a system.
We need to put their dicks in a vice and tighten it all the way.
I think we have similar goals. If you are a never Trumper then this conversation is over.
It is my goal to have free elections without someones hand adjusting the numbers.
It is also my goal to prosecute, and execute those found guilty of treason.
Enough.
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I hate it when a partial post disappears. Try again.
There seem to be many qualifications in you post.
The Marxists would treat any other candidate better than they have treated Trump?
They have gained power from their steal. What would be the incentive to welcome a Reagan look or sound alike?
I doubt the present Marxists would welcome anyone you could pick, or worse anyone I could pick.
They are not going by the Constitution, by precedence, nor by civility. I expect that to continue and escallate.
On that basis, we need as dangerous a person as can be elected. Not dangerous because of what he would do,
but dangerous of what he is capable of doing. Lefties in history respect power.
We need the most powerful candidate we can find. I doubt a strong candidate would assume a cheerleader role.
We still have the issue of a rigged election with voting machines connected to the internet. This has installed leaders
worldwide that appeal to the left. Why would they abandon such a system.
We need to put their dicks in a vice and tighten it all the way.
I think we have similar goals. If you are a never Trumper then this conversation is over.
It is my goal to have free elections without someones hand adjusting the numbers.
It is also my goal to prosecute, and execute those found guilty of treason.
Enough.
What part of the post disappeared? I replied with no adjustments? ???????
I get your drift. You want and only want a guy who will be well in his '80's as he leaves office, if he is elected in 2024.
I OTOH, prefer a more practical and plausible approach that infuses new blood in the tenants of putting America First concepts that DJT started. We got an upcoming Octogenarian drooler in there right now. No thanks.
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Trump is not the only one capable. Insisting he is isn't realistic.
This is why we get stamped as Trump cultists.
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Feeling Guilty? I posted this list earlier and the thread, and stand by it, as the best choices we got right now.
1. Cotton
2. Cruz
3. DeSantis
4. Hawley
5. Noem
If we can get one of these 5 to run with wisdom and demeanor of Reagan, while having Trump bamblast the opposition... In a fair election, we would win in a landslide.
Whatever the case, now is the time to start looking, not two or three years from now.
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What part of the post disappeared? I replied with no adjustments? ???????
I get your drift. You want and only want a guy who will be well in his '80's as he leaves office, if he is elected in 2024.
I OTOH, prefer a more practical and plausible approach that infuses new blood in the tenants of putting America First concepts that DJT started. We got an upcoming Octogenarian drooler in there right now. No thanks.
My original draft disappeared, so I had to do it over.
I would prefer the knowledge of a successful 80 year old, to someone without the knowledge and fantastic health.
I doubt you get my drift.
Trump is a remarkable person. If he ran out of his basement, then I might agree.
There is no way he wouldn't be tested by other conservatives, and the media.
He would have to pass the test. The media would notice if Trump drooled.
The 2024 election is way off and much can happen until then. In the meantime, give Trump the respect he has earned.
Disrespect was the reason for my first post below.
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My original draft disappeared, so I had to do it over.
I would prefer the knowledge of a successful 80 year old, to someone without the knowledge and fantastic health.
I doubt you get my drift.
WAY better to play kingmaker like old men do... And pour all that into a younger man.
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Disrespect was the reason for my first post below.
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So where in my post was it disrespectful? Not putting DJT in my top 5?
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So where in my post was it disrespectful? Not putting DJT in my top 5?
A thread was posted about who would lead the party.
Still more disrespect in your question above.
Let those taking a poll rank them. If you think Trump is #16, fine.
I was taught respect as a boy. Seems that is out of style.
I no longer respect lefties of any sort. I speak directly to them.
Good by
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A thread was posted about who would lead the party.
Still more disrespect in your question above.
Let those taking a poll rank them. If you think Trump is #16, fine.
I was taught respect as a boy. Seems that is out of style.
I no longer respect lefties of any sort. I speak directly to them.
Good by
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You make no freakin' sense, and I don't really want to spend any more time figuring out your "out there" cryptic messaging.
Good By(e)
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I have to say.. .interesting results though, no?
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I have to say.. .interesting results though, no?
Yes. Very.
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Ted Cruz ... Other.... Roy Moore...
I still wouldn't vote for Trump for dog catcher.
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For those that claim they would not vote for Trump, for the primary, he would not need your vote. If he decides to run, he wins the primary hands down. It is the general that is a question mark. If Republicans do not remove the electronic voting, it just does not matter who runs, for the elections will be fixed.
Corruption in the USA is worse than any banana republic at present. If we do nothing about it, we die as a nation.
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For those that claim they would not vote for Trump, for the primary, he would not need your vote. If he decides to run, he wins the primary hands down. It is the general that is a question mark. If Republicans do not remove the electronic voting, it just does not matter who runs, for the elections will be fixed.
Corruption in the USA is worse than any banana republic at present. If we do nothing about it, we die as a nation.
Somehow, things got twisted back in the Kennedy era with all that "Camelot" nonsense.
This is America. We have no "ruling class"--that's what the Revolution was fought over in the first place.
Those people in Washington, D.C. are our EMPLOYEES, and they've forgotten who they work for..
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Trump is not the only one capable. Insisting he is isn't realistic.
This is why we get stamped as Trump cultists.
That's part of the reason I hope they go 14th on him and disqualify him from running again, solely so that we can put it behind us and regroup with a clean start without all of his baggage.
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That's part of the reason I hope they go 14th on him and disqualify him from running again, solely so that we can put it behind us and regroup with a clean start without all of his baggage.
Seriously? Put this behind us? Clean slate for the GOP? The GOP is dead @jmyrlefuller This is NOT about Trump but the DEMS acting unconstitutionally and destroying the integrity of the ballot box and doing everything they can to destroy this Republic.
Reality often bites us after the facts.
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Listen. If Trump runs, that will gain my vote, a 99% certainty.
Ollie North would make an excellent running mate due to his connections.
A G Gordon Liddy, only brighter. Ollie is also a dangerous man.
If he doesn't run, then I would be interested in who he will support.
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Any Republican should always evaluate, if I do this, will the corrupt media have a field day? Sen Ted Cruz flying off to a Mexico paradise was an extremely dumb thing to do while his state was experiencing a major crisis. Better to be seen distributing water and food. Being out there offering help and showing you care versus heading to a resort during a crisis is a leader. Cruz is no leader.
For those of you that think he is the real thing, he isn't. Texans will not forget his actions this week when the next election comes round. And nationally, he is out.
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Any Republican should always evaluate, if I do this, will the corrupt media have a field day? Sen Ted Cruz flying off to a Mexico paradise was an extremely dumb thing to do while his state was experiencing a major crisis. Better to be seen distributing water and food. Being out there offering help and showing you care versus heading to a resort during a crisis is a leader. Cruz is no leader.
For those of you that think he is the real thing, he isn't. Texans will not forget his actions this week when the next election comes round. And nationally, he is out.
I applaud Ted for taking care of his family. Did you ever think that he has seen the writing on the wall after the DEM attack on the capitol, Pence's obvious involvement and the refusal of the SCOTUS to even hear a case?? If he runs for re -election I'll be surprised. He has 3 long years to endure of DEM corruption and ridiculous accusations -- heck AOC accused him of trying to murder her, yet people are finding fault with him taking his family some place warm?
He remains part of the GOP; a party that I cannot continue to support. The party is completely fractured and as long as Chuckie has a grip on McConnell and Mittens, it will continue to crumble. The GOP is dead and Ted knows it.
Anyone who thinks we'll see a fair election in '22 is daydreaming and anyone thinking that the GOP has a snowball's chance of winning the House in '24 is delusional.
The DEM game is over. They've won. Either we let things remain status quo or we find a way to install a new Constitutional Republic; otherwise the Dems will retain power. That's the current reality.
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Fighting Ted Cruz over the Cancun thing is the stupidest thing I have seen this year.
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Fighting Ted Cruz over the Cancun thing is the stupidest thing I have seen this year.
It only empowers the DEMS and continues to divide the GOP. Every single conservative should have defended Cruz . But no, let's all pile on top and take shots at him; after all that's exactly what the DEMS want. They know that the infighting within the GOP has all but destroyed it. The GOP can't even get their leader to back members of his own party; they've got him siding with them instead.
And we wonder why we keep losing seats?? Sure the DEMS stole the election, but it goes much deeper than that. The DEMS have managed to implode the GOP from within.
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It only empowers the DEMS and continues to divide the GOP. Every single conservative should have defended Cruz . But no, let's all pile on top and take shots at him; after all that's exactly what the DEMS want. They know that the infighting within the GOP has all but destroyed it. The GOP can't even get their leader to back members of his own party; they've got him siding with them instead.
And we wonder why we keep losing seats?? Sure the DEMS stole the election, but it goes much deeper than that. The DEMS have managed to implode the GOP from within.
Amen.
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A key feature people forget about circular firing squads: Everybody dies.
And we've observed a demonstration of that on this very Forum. Even pie could not prevent it.
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Both parties have problems. The Dems cheated to win with the elections in 2020, but that does not mean we accept that as a permanent condition. Through the years, the Dems have always cheated, but 2020 was a huge effort of millions of votes switched electronically. I am not sure that has happened before.
Anyone not believing that the vote was electronically doctored has limited tech knowledge. I am 100% certain it happened.
And events like what happened in battleground states where poll watchers were restricted from observing or forced to observe a mile away should result in all votes counted during that day null and void. There was a very simple explanation for when vote counting stopped, and that was to implement code to alter the vote electronically.
And the GOP is not finished. Trump is out, but he is not down. And with the Dems destroying this country as they are at present, 2022 and 2024 should be huge victories for the GOP if they do not screw the pooch. Mitt Romney is finished, and POSs like Ben Sasse, Lee, Collins, Murkowski, and the unnamed others should all be forced out of politics. The Republican Party needs to rebrand itself as the party of the people. They do that, and they win. The American people are growing tired of business as usual in Washington, do not want globalization, and still have a chance to have a constitutional republic.
We need to end the nonsense in our schools if we want a republic to survive. BLM needs to be forced out of existence, for it is an anarchy group, same with all socialists. We need to return to condemning these people, and not prop them up like righteous folks.
27-28 state legislatures are controlled by Republicans, and they are attempting to establish laws to contain the cheating by Democommies. No small feat. This gets done, and Trump or whoever running pay attention to the efforts of the Dems to cheat, and call it out when it happens, and we might have a fair election.
A recent development I find very strange is Chuck Schumer was strongly behind the idea of Puerto Rico becoming a state in October, 2020, and now he is saying he opposes the idea. WHAT IS GOING ON? That makes no sense! PR is 95% Democommie, would provide two Dem senators for forever.
Too much defeatism on this board. McConnell is in his last term. So is Romney and a bunch of others. The party needs to get focused.
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It only empowers the DEMS and continues to divide the GOP. Every single conservative should have defended Cruz . But no, let's all pile on top and take shots at him; after all that's exactly what the DEMS want. They know that the infighting within the GOP has all but destroyed it. The GOP can't even get their leader to back members of his own party; they've got him siding with them instead.
And we wonder why we keep losing seats?? Sure the DEMS stole the election, but it goes much deeper than that. The DEMS have managed to implode the GOP from within.
Frankly, if the GOP would quit kissing the Democrats' asses and sucking up to the commie media, and start thinking about the people they are supposed to represent some time other than the month before an election, they might do better.
The enemedia aren't going to be fair, the election sure as hell won't be and they'd better up their game and get back to doing the work of their constituents or the Party is done.
Considering Dominion voting machines in Louisiana is part of the ongoing stupidity--or is it?
The same corrupt b@st@rds can be kept in power, no matter what label they put on the package.
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Frankly, if the GOP would quit kissing the Democrats' asses and sucking up to the commie media, and start thinking about the people they are supposed to represent some time other than the month before an election, they might do better.
The enemedia aren't going to be fair, the election sure as hell won't be and they'd better up their game and get back to doing the work of their constituents or the Party is done.
Considering Dominion voting machines in Louisiana is part of the ongoing stupidity--or is it?
The same corrupt b@st@rds can be kept in power, no matter what label they put on the package.
:yowsa: pointing-up
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A key feature people forget about circular firing squads: Everybody dies.
And we've observed a demonstration of that on this very Forum. Even pie could not prevent it.
Perhaps things would turn out differently if everyone would simply declare who they would support rather than who they wouldn't, thus using the thread as an opportunity to rip the scab off - again.
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Don't re-elect anyone.
If they are good, give them a different job. If not, can the whole bloody lot.
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Perhaps things would turn out differently if everyone would simply declare who they would support rather than who they wouldn't, thus using the thread as an opportunity to rip the scab off - again.
Good idea, King Canute! wink777
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Ron DeSantis hasn't demanded Voter ID in Florduh! yet. Why not?
Rand Paul is a flake.
Ted Cruz is the best candidate on the list, but his tax proposal in 2016 included some serious, and hidden, taxes. But he's the best guy we've got.
Trump is simply going to be too old.
And to think that all those RINOs we hopefully kick out of office in the next few years will be looking for a new job, too.
It's gonna be fun.
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Well, Noem would now be out for me; she favors pathway for illegals to citizenship. She is considered a libertarian conservative. Her stance on other issues (link below).
I won't be voting GOP anyways. The party deserves to die. A new party and renewed constitutional gov't needs to be inserted.
https://www.ontheissues.org/house/Kristi_Noem.htm (https://www.ontheissues.org/house/Kristi_Noem.htm)
Study the history of turd parties.
They always help the other non-fractured party win.
Always.
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In no particular order:
Jim Justice (WV Governor)
Mike DeWine (OH Governor)
Chris Sununu (NH Governor)
Larry Hogan (MD Governor)
Asa Hutchinson (AR Governor)
Ben Sasse (NE US Senator)
Rob Portman (OH US Senator)
John Kennedy (LA US Senator)
Donald Trump = existential threat to US Constitution, MAGA is a death cult
'Cancun' Ted Cruz = Cuban / Canadian / Harvard-educated spineless carpetbagger
Rand Paul = appeal is too narrow
Ron DeSantis = too cozy with Trump, not independent enough
Josh Hawley = on the wrong side of history
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In no particular order:
Jim Justice (WV Governor)
Mike DeWine (OH Governor)
Chris Sununu (NH Governor)
Larry Hogan (MD Governor)
Asa Hutchinson (AR Governor)
Ben Sasse (NE US Senator)
Rob Portman (OH US Senator)
John Kennedy (LA US Senator)
Donald Trump = existential threat to US Constitution, MAGA is a death cult
'Cancun' Ted Cruz = Cuban / Canadian / Harvard-educated spineless carpetbagger
Rand Paul = appeal is too narrow
Ron DeSantis = too cozy with Trump, not independent enough
Josh Hawley = on the wrong side of history
I'd usually welcome a new member, but your first post is a first rate dip shit disruption post. DU... 4 doors on the right.
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Donald Trump = existential threat to US Constitution
@DefiantMassRINO
Based on the abject idiocy of this statement, it would surprise me greatly if you have ever read the Constitution. Would love to know which are the parts that President Trump threatens.
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In no particular order:
Jim Justice (WV Governor)
Mike DeWine (OH Governor)
Chris Sununu (NH Governor)
Larry Hogan (MD Governor)
Asa Hutchinson (AR Governor)
Ben Sasse (NE US Senator)
Rob Portman (OH US Senator)
John Kennedy (LA US Senator)
Donald Trump = existential threat to US Constitution, MAGA is a death cult
'Cancun' Ted Cruz = Cuban / Canadian / Harvard-educated spineless carpetbagger
Rand Paul = appeal is too narrow
Ron DeSantis = too cozy with Trump, not independent enough
Josh Hawley = on the wrong side of history
Nothing but a debunked talking point troll. Enjoy your (short) stay here.
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In no particular order:
Jim Justice (WV Governor)
Mike DeWine (OH Governor)
Chris Sununu (NH Governor)
Larry Hogan (MD Governor)
Asa Hutchinson (AR Governor)
Ben Sasse (NE US Senator)
Rob Portman (OH US Senator)
John Kennedy (LA US Senator)
Donald Trump = existential threat to US Constitution, MAGA is a death cult
'Cancun' Ted Cruz = Cuban / Canadian / Harvard-educated spineless carpetbagger
Rand Paul = appeal is too narrow
Ron DeSantis = too cozy with Trump, not independent enough
Josh Hawley = on the wrong side of history
:2popcorn:
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:2popcorn:
Save some of that for me.
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Save some of that for me.
Just don't feed the trolls! :MiniGun:
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I'd usually welcome a new member, but your first post is a first rate dip shit disruption post. DU... 4 doors on the right.
Indeed time to play kick the troll to the curb time.
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1: Trump
2: Trump
3: Trump
4: Trump
5: Trump
Only because Barry Goldwater is no longer available.
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Florida needs DeSantis to serve two full terms before he becomes President.
I like the idea of Senator Cruz being Trump's new running mate. He would definitely be in line for the presidency, maybe even give the Veep slot to DeSantis, as a way of pipelining him to the Oval Office.
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1: Trump
2: Trump
3: Trump
4: Trump
5: Trump
Only because Barry Goldwater is no longer available.
Works for me.
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Florida needs DeSantis to serve two full terms before he becomes President.
I like the idea of Senator Cruz being Trump's new running mate. He would definitely be in line for the presidency, maybe even give the Veep slot to DeSantis, as a way of pipelining him to the Oval Office.
@Reason10
Cruz can't be trusted. He sometimes talks a good game,but a day or two later backs off and you don't hear from him about that subject for a while.
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Save some of that for me.
Help yourself! I own the popcorn concession, as you know... :patriot:
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I like the idea of Trump retiring in MaraLago on the golf course. He's old news.
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Trump...old news? Really? The man has the constitution of no man I ever knew. He is a dynamo, and if he wants to run, he will win the nomination. PERIOD!!!
Talk of anyone else is a waste of time until he officially announces he is not running. And he is not going to do that until the last minute.
And it will NEVER be Cruz! NEVER!!! He is missing something, besides lacking charisma. He is brilliant, but my experience is the brilliant ones are lucky to put the correct shoes on each foot, and lack in other things too.
No, it will be Trump, and his 78 will be like 58 for most. Again it is early to call, but he will want to play the media for everything he can, just to screw the maggots they are.
One thing I do know, Pence is out. Trump will not bring him back. This time, Trump will need someone to help him carry a state, so it will be someone from PA, OH, MI, WI, FL, AZ and TX, or it will be a woman VP. I can see a Trump/DeSantis ticket, or a Trump/Noem ticket. Some here do not like Noem because she has indicated making illegal aliens citizens, but that will not matter if she is VP. And I can see Pompeo back again. I liked him.
One thing grossly deficient with Trump was no ground game in 2016 and in 2020. I consider that a huge mistake, and if he were to do anything I would strongly suggest he have a strong ground game in the battleground states, with thousands willing to help where necessary.
And if Trump decides not to run, it will be DeSantis/Noem. I think they would make a strong ticket. Cruz can be Sec of State maybe, or AG.
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1-5: Trump
Only because Barry Goldwater is no longer available.
@sneakypete
The 1964 election was the turning point for America. It marked the time at which American voters decided they wanted to send our kids to die on the battlefields of Vietnam. They decided they wanted our federal government to encourage through subsidization the breakup of the American family. And they wanted an end to free charitable health care for the poor, choosing instead to fund it by borrowing money from future generations.
Even in light of what we see today, the failure to elect Barry Goldwater was the worst thing to ever happen to America.
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@sneakypete
The 1964 election was the turning point for America. It marked the time at which American voters decided they wanted to send our kids to die on the battlefields of Vietnam. They decided they wanted our federal government to encourage through subsidization the breakup of the American family. And they wanted an end to free charitable health care for the poor, choosing instead to fund it by borrowing money from future generations.
Even in light of what we see today, the failure to elect Barry Goldwater was the worst thing to ever happen to America.
IF LBJ hadn't been allowed to steal the Senate election, we'd have had different candidates on the Dem side.
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1: Trump
2: Trump
3: Trump
4: Trump
5: Trump
Only because Barry Goldwater is no longer available.
Or Calvin Coolidge...
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@sneakypete
The 1964 election was the turning point for America. It marked the time at which American voters decided they wanted to send our kids to die on the battlefields of Vietnam. They decided they wanted our federal government to encourage through subsidization the breakup of the American family. And they wanted an end to free charitable health care for the poor, choosing instead to fund it by borrowing money from future generations.
@Hoodat
I was alive and kicking back then,and don't remember being in favor of ANY of that as it was stated. As for VN,I was old enough to vote,but since I was in the army and a career soldier,I didn't because of the obvious conflict of interest.
Even in light of what we see today, the failure to elect Barry Goldwater was the worst thing to ever happen to America.
I surely can't argue with that. It ranks right up there with electing LBJ and JFK. Not to mention Biden and Obomber.
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Or Calvin Coolidge...
@GrouchoTex
Just how old are you,anyhow?
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I'd usually welcome a new member, but your first post is a first rate dip shit disruption post. DU... 4 doors on the right.
Yeppers. Hello and Goodby.
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@GrouchoTex
Just how old are you,anyhow?
Let's just say I visited the Dead Sea when it was just sick.
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When G-d said, "Let there be light", @GrouchoTex was there to flip the switch.
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@GrouchoTex killed the dinosaurs.
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They had it coming.
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@GrouchoTex killed the dinosaurs.
Way to go, @GrouchoTex
(https://storiescdn.hornet.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/02162140/Dinosaurs-4-800x520.jpg)
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When G-d said, "Let there be light", @GrouchoTex was there to flip the switch.
@GrouchoTex is just a pup!
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When G-d said, "Let there be light", @GrouchoTex was there to flip the switch.
Diggin in the fridge I'd suppose... :laugh:
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(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_07VoZXfojo4/SUhWeN7KLgI/AAAAAAAAA6w/0zAoYfpuSWI/s400/larson.jpg)
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Diggin in the fridge I'd suppose... :laugh:
Prolly looking for a can of beer with the label still on it!
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Prolly looking for a can of beer with the label still on it!
@Bigun
Yep, most likely...
But you're right, I am just 58 years young.
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@GrouchoTex killed the dinosaurs.
@corbe
Not exactly, but being in the petrochemical business, I can say that their demise doesn't bother me.
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@Bigun
Yep, most likely...
But you're right, I am just 58 years young.
888high58888 I envy and pity you at the same time @GrouchoTex
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888high58888 I envy and pity you at the same time @GrouchoTex
I think I get where you are coming from there...
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@corbe
Not exactly, but being in the petrochemical business, I can say that their demise doesn't bother me.
I refuse to believe that all the dinosaurs in North America conveniently died in Texas, California, Pennsylvania, and the Gulf of Mexico so that we could have oil, and that all the plants conveniently died in Virginia, West Virginia, Kentucky, Pennsylvania (again), and Montana just so we could have coal.
Apparently, States like Georgia, South Carolina, and Florida had neither dinosaurs nor plants.
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@Bigun
Yep, most likely...
But you're right, I am just 58 years young.
@GrouchoTex
Cheer up,the worse is yet to come!
It ain't gonna forget about ya,though.
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I refuse to believe that all the dinosaurs in North America conveniently died in Texas, California, Pennsylvania, and the Gulf of Mexico so that we could have oil, and that all the plants conveniently died in Virginia, West Virginia, Kentucky, Pennsylvania (again), and Montana just so we could have coal.
Apparently, States like Georgia, South Carolina, and Florida had neither dinosaurs nor plants.
@Hoodat
They have Yankee tourists. Is that close enough?
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@Hoodat
They have Yankee tourists. Is that close enough?
Only if they turn into crude oil when they cross the state line.
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Only if they turn into crude oil when they cross the state line.
@Hoodat
Well,it might take a little time,but that CAN be done.
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@corbe
Not exactly, but being in the petrochemical business, I can say that their demise doesn't bother me.
888high58888
Well, that, and not hiding from sets of teeth that size or packs of velociraptors...
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I refuse to believe that all the dinosaurs in North America conveniently died in Texas, California, Pennsylvania, and the Gulf of Mexico so that we could have oil, and that all the plants conveniently died in Virginia, West Virginia, Kentucky, Pennsylvania (again), and Montana just so we could have coal.
Apparently, States like Georgia, South Carolina, and Florida had neither dinosaurs nor plants.
You're right, of course. A bunch of them died in North Dakota and Wyoming, too... :silly: