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Trump supporters organized the Capitol riot online
By Rebecca Klar - 01/09/21 06:21 AM EST
Supporters of President Trump mused openly on social media about the possibility of violence in the days leading up to the riot at the Capitol, using various mainstream and conservative-leaning sites to organize.
As tech platforms crack down on Trump in the wake of the attack, experts say increasingly popular right-wing sites could pose an even greater danger down the road as conspiracy theories breed real-life crises.
“Jan. 6 is an inflection point for how the United States and the world views conspiracy theories, and how conspiracy theories, ranging from election fraud and ‘Stop the Steal,’ can lead to real-world harm in a way that a lot of people never really kind of believed,†Jason Blazakis, director of the Center on Terrorism, Extremism and Counterterrorism at the Middlebury Institute, told The Hill.
“I think now, after seeing that happen on the 6th of January, I think this chapter of the book related to conspiracy theories has been written. And it is a national security threat,†he added.
Posts on websites including Parler, a Twitter-like platform with minimal content moderation, and TheDonald.win, a message forum that sprung up after Reddit banned a “subreddit†of the same name in June, were rife with posts about storming the Capitol in the days leading up to the deadly riot that prompted a lockdown and forced lawmakers to evacuate.
But posts on mainstream platforms, including Twitter, also mused about a potential attack coinciding with the day Congress was set to affirm President-elect Joe Biden’s win, according to a report from Advance Democracy, a non-partisan, non-profit organization that conducts public-interest research & investigations.
For five days leading up to the riot, when a mob forced its way into the Capitol, there were 1,480 posts on Twitter from QAnon-related accounts about the Jan. 6 date that contained “terms of violence,†according to the Advance Democracy report.
One account related to the QAnon conspiracy theory late Tuesday night tweeted, “WE are all done being the bigger person, no more MR. NICE PATRIOT! it’s Time for Patriots to Rise up, Kick The Tires and Light the Fires, and Kick Ass and Take Names!!,†according to the report.
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https://thehill.com/policy/technology/533450-trump-supporters-organized-the-capitol-riot-online
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Ergo they must be banned.
The Hill's little contribution to the ongoing crackdown on dissent.
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This could have all been avoided by a simple vote audit conducted immediately, fairly and openly. If voter fraud is just a nut job conspiracy theory, the left had nothing to fear. And the biden presidency would not be *the biden presidency.
I’m heart broken and sickened over all this happening in America. Never did I think I would see this in my life. Thank GOD I am at the end of life. I knew it would come , but I believed I would be long in the grave. Yet here we are , one side controlling information and the narrative, and using that power to silence opposing views . With half of America embracing it
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This could have all been avoided by a simple vote audit conducted immediately, fairly and openly. If voter fraud is just a nut job conspiracy theory, the left had nothing to fear. And the biden presidency would not be *the biden presidency.
I’m heart broken and sickened over all this happening in America. Never did I think I would see this in my life. Thank GOD I am at the end of life. I knew it would come , but I believed I would be long in the grave. Yet here we are , one side controlling information and the narrative, and using that power to silence opposing views . With half of America embracing it
Welcome to TBR.. @Benjamin
Heartbroken and disillusioned is a good description on how I feel.
I too never thought I would live to see this..I just hope I live long enough to see it corrected.
One thing about the Rats is that they always over-step..in this case they are trying to do everything at once instead of slowly implementing their ideas...I just don't think the American people will stand for this..a $2k bribe won't work.
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This could have all been avoided by a simple vote audit conducted immediately, fairly and openly. If voter fraud is just a nut job conspiracy theory, the left had nothing to fear. And the biden presidency would not be *the biden presidency.
I’m heart broken and sickened over all this happening in America. Never did I think I would see this in my life. Thank GOD I am at the end of life. I knew it would come , but I believed I would be long in the grave. Yet here we are , one side controlling information and the narrative, and using that power to silence opposing views . With half of America embracing it
Welcome. Very well said, all that needed be done to avoid all of this was a fair assessment of the election.
But the left isn't about fair. It is some small consolation to know things seldom worked out well for despots.
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Why isn't this a mostly peaceful protest, in the context of the BLM riots over the summer?
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Anti fanatics posturing as Trumpers testify to the cameras that Trumpers were violent. Meanwhile later antifi laughs its azzes off as to how clueless the clueless really are and made a clean get away, and resort to getting on the media to swear it was Trumpers/Trump. Willing fools are no longer difficult accumulate to eat their own. Blind stooges are so easy to come by/fool nowadays.
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Welcome to TBR.. @Benjamin
Heartbroken and disillusioned is a good description on how I feel.
I too never thought I would live to see this..I just hope I live long enough to see it corrected.
One thing about the Rats is that they always over-step..in this case they are trying to do everything at once instead of slowly implementing their ideas...I just don't think the American people will stand for this..a $2k bribe won't work.
I feel the same way. Regarding the over step, do we still have the means to correct this? They have a lock on the schools, traditional media, social media, and the election process. What avenue do we have to correct this (aside from the obvious one, which I won't mention)?
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Why isn't this a mostly peaceful protest, in the context of the BLM riots over the summer?
Doesn't fit the narrative.
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I feel the same way. Regarding the over step, do we still have the means to correct this? They have a lock on the schools, traditional media, social media, and the election process. What avenue do we have to correct this (aside from the obvious one, which I won't mention)?
Stop supporting it in any and every context. And most of all stop voting in FEAR. Of all the conservative virtues, I think the one to dial in on here is fiscal. REAL fiscal conservatism and absolutely nothing else. the only way out is to starve the beast till it is weak enough to put back in it's constitutionally lined box. and that means STOP THE MONEY. There is no power without purse.
That dries up all the grants for stupid crap. That dries up foreign aid to enemies. all the gladhanding gets tight and goes away...
So any SOB that calls himself a conservative had better sure enough come with a balanced budget and a way to reduce government spending (not tax cuts) significantly. I mean in the nature of 10% with each swing of the budgetary hammer. Or that SOB is not a conservative and he should not get your vote.
Or war. You decide. :shrug: :whistle:
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Stop supporting it in any and every context. And most of all stop voting in FEAR. Of all the conservative virtues, I think the one to dial in on here is fiscal. REAL fiscal conservatism and absolutely nothing else. the only way out is to starve the beast till it is weak enough to put back in it's constitutionally lined box. and that means STOP THE MONEY. There is no power without purse.
That dries up all the grants for stupid crap. That dries up foreign aid to enemies. all the gladhanding gets tight and goes away...
So any SOB that calls himself a conservative had better sure enough come with a balanced budget and a way to reduce government spending (not tax cuts) significantly. I mean in the nature of 10% with each swing of the budgetary hammer. Or that SOB is not a conservative and he should not get your vote.
Or war. You decide. :shrug: :whistle:
How are we going to pass a balanced budget if we can't win elections?
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How are we going to pass a balanced budget if we can't win elections?
Watch what happens when Conservatism is actually tried. Have some TEA. That was the right way all the way along. And not only would you win, you would get law instead of silly candy tossed by the clown at the front of the parade.
It HAS to be from the ground up, just like TEA. The states have to be bolstered first and foremost, because they are the defense against a runaway fed. you need fiscally minded state legislatures.
And you get nothing at the fed with the likes of Turtle and Grahamnesty anyway so your whole point is moot. Throw all the bastards out and with the new batch hold their feet IN the dang fire till they produce results. It is all y'all being satisfied by baubles that is the central problem. Expect nothing, get nothing. Demand everything, get everything.
Look at how the dems do it. They serve their base. They bow to it. Why don't republicans? Because they know y'all are like beaten housewives. Y'all ain't gonna go off the reservation anymore than the blacks will. I KNOW. I am off the reservation all the way, and look at the shit I take here.
Y'all got to mean it. Y'all gotta quit voting in fear of the other side and mind what your side is doing. Your focus is on things you cannot change instead of the things you COULD change... That don't mean voting the Democrats out. That means tearing the levers of power away from the Republican moderates and get actual CONSERVATIVES in there. And don't be satisfied with anything less. If you are getting less, DON'T damnwell vote for it. Because if 'less' wins you'll get more 'less'. That is how this works.
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Watch what happens when Conservatism is actually tried. Have some TEA. That was the right way all the way along. And not only would you win, you would get law instead of silly candy tossed by the clown at the front of the parade.
It HAS to be from the ground up, just like TEA. The states have to be bolstered first and foremost, because they are the defense against a runaway fed. you need fiscally minded state legislatures.
And you get nothing at the fed with the likes of Turtle and Grahamnesty anyway so your whole point is moot. Throw all the bastards out and with the new batch hold their feet IN the dang fire till they produce results. It is all y'all being satisfied by baubles that is the central problem. Expect nothing, get nothing. Demand everything, get everything.
Look at how the dems do it. They serve their base. They bow to it. Why don't republicans? Because they know y'all are like beaten housewives. Y'all ain't gonna go off the reservation anymore than the blacks will. I KNOW. I am off the reservation all the way, and look at the shit I take here.
Y'all got to mean it. Y'all gotta quit voting in fear of the other side and mind what your side is doing. Your focus is on things you cannot change instead of the things you COULD change... That don't mean voting the Democrats out. That means tearing the levers of power away from the Republican moderates and get actual CONSERVATIVES in there. And don't be satisfied with anything less. If you are getting less, DON'T damnwell vote for it. Because if 'less' wins you'll get more 'less'. That is how this works.
I don't see us winning national elections again in my lifetime. But I do agree with your point about working at the state level. I think we need to shore up state legislatures and executive branch positions in states that are solidly conservative. If states can thumb their nose at federal marijuana laws, they can do so for 2nd amendment infringement and other federal over reach.
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Soros told us years ago he owns the democrat party and intended to own the United States. Far too many people want to believe the liars and deceivers who are lavishly funded with millions/billions. People are also willing to be blind to wolves in sheeps clothing. Not long ago the pastor of the Church said he was receiving homos into the church to counsel them. As homosexuality is abomination and severely rejected in scripture, counseling did NOT belong in the church. Else where, fine. The pastor also dearly loved counterfeit christian stories, glorifies in book and movies. Counterfeiting Christianity/God is Satan's work. Wake up people !
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I don't see us winning national elections again in my lifetime. But I do agree with your point about working at the state level. I think we need to shore up state legislatures and executive branch positions in states that are solidly conservative. If states can thumb their nose at federal marijuana laws, they can do so for 2nd amendment infringement and other federal over reach.
I think it will overturn again. 4 years of whacko lib will turn it back around. Folks want opposition. It ain't happening. Republicans receive a lot. they just never ever run the ball. Next time around folks gotta do it different. And like i said, fiscal matters should be primary. Everybody knows somebody has to cut up the credit cards.
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Posts on websites including Parler, a Twitter-like platform with minimal content moderation, and TheDonald.win, a message forum that sprung up after Reddit banned a “subreddit†of the same name in June, were rife with posts about storming the Capitol in the days leading up to the deadly riot that prompted a lockdown and forced lawmakers to evacuate.
But posts on mainstream platforms, including Twitter, also mused about a potential attack coinciding with the day Congress was set to affirm President-elect Joe Biden’s win, according to a report from Advance Democracy, a non-partisan, non-profit organization that conducts public-interest research & investigations.
I have accounts at Twitter and Parler. I don't recall visiting Parler in the days leading up to the protest on Jan. 6, but was on Twitter very much, following many well-known conservative voices like Jack Posobiec, Jesse Kelly, Matt Walsh, Kurt Schlichter, etc.
Speaking only for myself, of course, I saw absolutely no one there who "mused about a potential attack." If anything, they expressed concern that the Trump fans at the rally would be attacked by the usual suspects, i.e., Antifa/BLM. No one said a word like, "Hey, let's storm the Capitol building while we're there and bash some cops over the head."
I saw no one organizing anything on Twitter, in other words, contrary to what this article says.
As for thedonald.win, I've absolutely never visited it. However, when I clear cookies from the laptop used as my main computer (it's set up as a desktop, with screen and keyboard), that website has popped up on the list. So some site I actually visited dropped thedonald.win's cookies on my 'puter. Can't imagine which one. Pardon my low-tech terminology.
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I think it will overturn again. 4 years of whacko lib will turn it back around. Folks want opposition. It ain't happening. Republicans receive a lot. they just never ever run the ball. Next time around folks gotta do it different. And like i said, fiscal matters should be primary. Everybody knows somebody has to cut up the credit cards.
The Dems, Big Tech, and the MSM have now a total lock on mass communication. i just watched the CEO of Parler on Maria Bartiromo’s show. Amazon shut them down and gave them 24 hours notice to find an alternative and migrate their data. This is an impossibility. He said they are not able to find anyone that will take them - they are all scared or in on the plan. Their email provider also dumped them. Even their law firm dumped them. This isn’t an accident; this is being coordinated by the Democrats so that they can eliminate conservatives ability to communicate and organize.
Given that, how in the world do you expect Republicans to organize reach out to voters?
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The Dems, Big Tech, and the MSM have now a total lock on mass communication. i just watched the CEO of Parler on Maria Bartiromo’s show. Amazon shut them down and gave them 24 hours notice to find an alternative and migrate their data. This is an impossibility. He said they are not able to find anyone that will take them - they are all scared or in on the plan. Their email provider also dumped them. Even their law firm dumped them. This isn’t an accident; this is being coordinated by the Democrats so that they can eliminate conservatives ability to communicate and organize.
Given that, how in the world do you expect Republicans to organize reach out to voters?
I heard that interview. Big Tech's rush to silence all opposition together with the rats desperate desire to force Trump out ASAP even though he's got only 10 days left makes me wonder if there's not another chapter left in this sordid saga. In spite of myself.
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I heard that interview. Big Tech's rush to silence all opposition together with the rats desperate desire to force Trump out ASAP even though he's got only 10 days left makes me wonder if there's not another chapter left in this sordid saga. In spite of myself.
Makes you wonder, indeed. A lot of things are making me wonder.
Like, for instance....
is this for real....?
https://goldenageofgaia.com/2021/01/10/simon-parkes-the-insurrection-act-was-signed-last-night/
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Makes you wonder, indeed. A lot of things are making me wonder.
Like, for instance....
is this for real....?
https://goldenageofgaia.com/2021/01/10/simon-parkes-the-insurrection-act-was-signed-last-night/
Dunno if its real or not. But if it weren't for the behavior of the rats and their cabal I wouldn't bother listening to this stuff.
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Dunno if its real or not. But if it weren't for the behavior of the rats and their cabal I wouldn't bother listening to this stuff.
They are terrified of something, obviously.
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Makes you wonder, indeed. A lot of things are making me wonder.
Like, for instance....
is this for real....?
https://goldenageofgaia.com/2021/01/10/simon-parkes-the-insurrection-act-was-signed-last-night/
From that link:
...sad to hear Simon say the Pope is implicated in pedophilia, etc. Sadder still to hear him say the Pope has been removed...
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From that link:
Which I find hard to believe. I mean.... the Commie Pope is all but untouchable by now. The Globalists just luv him. :shrug:
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From that link:
Yeah that doesn't do wonders for the site's credibility.
There are others reporting on Italian defense contractor and Pakistani election interference, etc. though. As I said, I wouldn't think anything of it if it weren't for the rats insane behavior.
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I heard that interview. Big Tech's rush to silence all opposition together with the rats desperate desire to force Trump out ASAP even though he's got only 10 days left makes me wonder if there's not another chapter left in this sordid saga. In spite of myself.
yes, I wonder about that too. Dan Bongino dropped a hint yesterday about their being another chapter to the Hunter Biden scandal that was even more disturbing than what we’ve seen already. I wonder if that’s it.
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Check out what the Gab guys have done:
Gab CEO Has MASSIVE Surprise For Anti-Trumpers… This is Genius
https://populist.press/gab-ceo-has-massive-surprise-for-anti-trumpers-this-is-genius/
I’ve stayed off of Gab so far. I looked at it when it was brand new, but was concerned that it seemed to be attracting all the white separatist types (the frog logo should have been a clue). But I may have to give it another look.
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I have a Gab account, but got the same impression - some real weirdos there. I never posted, afaik.
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Just saw the pope on OANN talking about getting the vaccine. So the story re: Francis is BS. Is the rest of it BS, as well?
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The Dems, Big Tech, and the MSM have now a total lock on mass communication. i just watched the CEO of Parler on Maria Bartiromo’s show. Amazon shut them down and gave them 24 hours notice to find an alternative and migrate their data. This is an impossibility. He said they are not able to find anyone that will take them - they are all scared or in on the plan. Their email provider also dumped them. Even their law firm dumped them. This isn’t an accident; this is being coordinated by the Democrats so that they can eliminate conservatives ability to communicate and organize.
Given that, how in the world do you expect Republicans to organize reach out to voters?
Nah... That's hokum. There's TONS of places to park that site. And it will be back sometime next week. That CEO is just pimping the deal... His donations are probably through the roof, and I don't blame the guy for capitalizing on that. And they took out Parler, not MeWe or hundreds of others... To include this site and all the others on the Conservative side. And btw. they will rue the day they dd this to Parler. Twitter is going to wake up to a surprise monday morning. And I will predict right now this is the best thing that could happen to Parler. This stunt will jack them right up into the stratosphere.
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Makes you wonder, indeed. A lot of things are making me wonder.
Like, for instance....
is this for real....?
https://goldenageofgaia.com/2021/01/10/simon-parkes-the-insurrection-act-was-signed-last-night/
Or this?
https://nyegop.org/2021/01/08/a-letter-from-the-chairman/?v=d41d8cd98f00
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Check out what the Gab guys have done:
Gab CEO Has MASSIVE Surprise For Anti-Trumpers… This is Genius
https://populist.press/gab-ceo-has-massive-surprise-for-anti-trumpers-this-is-genius/
I’ve stayed off of Gab so far. I looked at it when it was brand new, but was concerned that it seemed to be attracting all the white separatist types (the frog logo should have been a clue). But I may have to give it another look.
Pepe the frog. I actually like Pepe, too bad he was coopted by some loonies.
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Why isn't this a mostly peaceful protest, in the context of the BLM riots over the summer?
Well, there was the additional component of sedition encouraged by the President of the United States.
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Why isn't this a mostly peaceful protest, in the context of the BLM riots over the summer?
Entire blocks were not looted and burned. No way it qualifies as a "peaceful protest".
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Well, there was the additional component of sedition encouraged by the President of the United States.
Post the screenshot, then.
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Well, there was the additional component of sedition encouraged by the President of the United States.
Didn't happen. Regurgitating Nancy Pelosi's bile does not become you.
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I have a Gab account, but got the same impression - some real weirdos there. I never posted, afaik.
Just signed up there. I have a different nick there, but they are growing by leaps and bounds as well, and are independent of "Big Tech" so they aren't under that banhammer. People make a site, and a solid influx of Conservatives can only improve one. I see twitter swirling into the Leftist echo chamber it is becoming, and fecebook is getting worse by the day.
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Didn't happen. Regurgitating Nancy Pelosi's bile does not become you.
The nation saw it happen before its eyes. Did you see the footage of the police officer screaming as he was nearly crushed to death?
It is time for patriotic Trump supporters to do the difficult thing and separate yourselves from the man.
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Just signed up there. I have a different nick there, but they are growing by leaps and bounds as well, and are independent of "Big Tech" so they aren't under that banhammer. People make a site, and a solid influx of Conservatives can only improve one. I see twitter swirling into the Leftist echo chamber it is becoming, and fecebook is getting worse by the day.
I'll have to check it out as well now that Parler is offline.
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This fellow has been described as an old-fashioned liberal. He founded and writes for The Intercept. Here's his take, tweeted:
Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald
Do you know how many of the people arrested in connection with the Capitol invasion were active users of Parler?
Zero.
The planning was largely done on Facebook. This is all a bullshit pretext for silencing competitors on ideological grounds: just the start.
8:16 AM · Jan 11, 2021·
Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald
For those asking the basis for that last claim: I spent the weekend reporting on the removal of Parler from the internet, including reviewing lots of documents and interviewing people associated with the companies involved, including Parler.
The article will be up shortly.
8:20 AM · Jan 11, 2021·
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1348619731734028293
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The nation saw it happen before its eyes. Did you see the footage of the police officer screaming as he was nearly crushed to death?
It is time for patriotic Trump supporters to do the difficult thing and separate yourselves from the man.
And whom exactly do you suggest we turn to?
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Dunno if its real or not. But if it weren't for the behavior of the rats and their cabal I wouldn't bother listening to this stuff.
I listened to this last night, right before Parler went offline.
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I did manage to Create a Gab account yesterday morning, but a LOT of people joined and it slowed their site way down.
Parler is gone now, thanks to Apple and Amazon, but they say they will be back.
I will keep my twitter account going, for now, and probably get off of it after inauguration day.
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I tried registering at CloutHub, but it got bogged down and never responded once I submitted the info. Cannot tell whether I'm registered there or not, but that seems to be another very popular landing site for conservatives.
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I tried registering at CloutHub, but it got bogged down and never responded once I submitted the info. Cannot tell whether I'm registered there or not, but that seems to be another very popular landing site for conservatives.
Gab is down as well.
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It's just as well. I need to spend less time online, and more time dusting the furniture in the living room. :laugh:
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Nah... That's hokum. There's TONS of places to park that site. And it will be back sometime next week. That CEO is just pimping the deal... His donations are probably through the roof, and I don't blame the guy for capitalizing on that. And they took out Parler, not MeWe or hundreds of others... To include this site and all the others on the Conservative side. And btw. they will rue the day they dd this to Parler. Twitter is going to wake up to a surprise monday morning. And I will predict right now this is the best thing that could happen to Parler. This stunt will jack them right up into the stratosphere.
I don’t agree with that at all. Parler isn’t some rinky-dink little web site. The nature of both Twitter and Parler makes it quite challenging to scale up to many users. You can’t get away with a simple single database back end fronted by some app servers. Parler was using “hundreds of serversâ€, and they were already struggling to scale.
Also don’t discount that Amazon gave them 24 hours to move including migrating their data. They could have easily made them take it offline but allowed them to retain the data until they were able to migrate. By doing it this way they (legally, IMHO) made a big mistake, and I would expect a lawsuit to prevail despite whatever ToS they have. Also a big factor that those arrested in DC weren’t Parler users.
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TBR still has a live feed going to twitter and facebook....I maybe asking for trouble keeping them up..I want to remain a lifeline for conservatives looking for a home.
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TBR still has a live feed going to twitter and facebook....I maybe asking for trouble keeping them up..I want to remain a lifeline for conservatives looking for a home.
@mystery-ak
I appreciate this. I was pretty invested in both Twitter and Facebook, but last week deactivated both my accounts. It’s very isolating to be in a forced lockdown, working for a big tech company where you are afraid to speak your mind, and then have all social media taken away. This site has been a godsend for my mental state. Thank you!
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@mystery-ak
I appreciate this. I was pretty invested in both Twitter and Facebook, but last week deactivated both my accounts. It’s very isolating to be in a forced lockdown, working for a big tech company where you are afraid to speak your mind, and then have all social media taken away. This site has been a godsend for my mental state. Thank you!
It's I who thanks you and all of TBR's members..we wouldn't be here if not for all of you.. :kisses2:
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@mystery-ak
I appreciate this. I was pretty invested in both Twitter and Facebook, but last week deactivated both my accounts. It’s very isolating to be in a forced lockdown, working for a big tech company where you are afraid to speak your mind, and then have all social media taken away. This site has been a godsend for my mental state. Thank you!
The way things are going with the left ramping up their crusade against opposition I have to wonder if leaving social media won't end up being a blessing in disguise.
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The way things are going with the left ramping up their crusade against opposition I have to wonder if leaving social media won't end up being a blessing in disguise.
You know, I think you may be onto something there. I’ve seen several pundits discuss how social media is a destructive and unhealthy force in our society and is particularly damaging to our kids. Especially Twitter, which has become a virtual cesspool of hate.
BTW, one of the nice things about Parler is that they don’t allow anonymous accounts. They also provide the ability to downvote a post. I think these two things give them some extra tools to get rid of the truly abusive - trolls and those looking to hurt others - while still allowing free speech.
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You know, I think you may be onto something there. I’ve seen several pundits discuss how social media is a destructive and unhealthy force in our society and is particularly damaging to our kids. Especially Twitter, which has become a virtual cesspool of hate.
And not forgetting what goes on the internet stays on the internet, or somewhere, for possible future reference. The left seems determined to remove opposition from society, corporate America seems to agree.
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I don’t agree with that at all. Parler isn’t some rinky-dink little web site. The nature of both Twitter and Parler makes it quite challenging to scale up to many users. You can’t get away with a simple single database back end fronted by some app servers. Parler was using “hundreds of serversâ€, and they were already struggling to scale.
Right - But Amazon ain't the only data farm on the planet, believe it or not. They'll find a place to land, and soon.
Also don’t discount that Amazon gave them 24 hours to move including migrating their data. They could have easily made them take it offline but allowed them to retain the data until they were able to migrate. By doing it this way they (legally, IMHO) made a big mistake, and I would expect a lawsuit to prevail despite whatever ToS they have. Also a big factor that those arrested in DC weren’t Parler users.
Oh I entirely agree with that. There likely will be a lawsuit, and it will be settled rather than fought. Amazon would lose bigtime.
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TBR still has a live feed going to twitter and facebook....I maybe asking for trouble keeping them up..I want to remain a lifeline for conservatives looking for a home.
Unfortunately, the way things are going, Twitter and Facebook may remove the links to them for you...
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Right - But Amazon ain't the only data farm on the planet, believe it or not. They'll find a place to land, and soon.
Oh I entirely agree with that. There likely will be a lawsuit, and it will be settled rather than fought. Amazon would lose bigtime.
@roamer_1
Since you seem to be a net-guru.....how on earth could anyone use the data (breached) at this link? It looks like .txt files with nothing anyone could link to a Parler user. For instance... how could I find MY info there, if looking for it...? :whistle:
https://donk.sh/06d639b2-0252-4b1e-883b-f275eff7e792/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=ffe8359751bb34a8db577a3cc765001f2cba698d-1610381833-0-ATYXwLWAQUMnGyGU9nMV7TQf3QJ7rFHqJcSr0HAMeJqLRbevoem3K7nqxSRj-IKVOKyUHexZDW0ljWGABWiWpl8ZxrIaGD3U41EuX_b0SphGCY8yjh0eh1myHSelZjPt38GUG8PvZWZpvXxTswVp0YeU5NGyAxVhyTW0LLED1uexDSaXmBPXkx34OHjiS83JBhmWFm8_2bjiHKPLOMb0CxiRWapsZr6hA6yD0y4cdRqKizBy_wfzfzEXfujZ11WrApUVg2-6e9HJHTjujXd9d49pDBd2uaf92_JuAGyEcHzckRw4XNfKrj1IkLQTlv_9O7tvbQWRqfAaB3MK0PRrH8SNv4ERIBnJ3lm-qj5uz6Ef
posted from this Twit-diot on Twitter....
https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1347896132798533632
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Right - But Amazon ain't the only data farm on the planet, believe it or not. They'll find a place to land, and soon.
Oh I entirely agree with that. There likely will be a lawsuit, and it will be settled rather than fought. Amazon would lose bigtime.
I work for one of the three big cloud vendors. There are three of them. All three have turned down Parler. There are a lot of services beyond storage, and it is easy when you build your service to end up with a strong dependency on your chosen vendor’s platform. It may be quite challenging for them to migrate, even if they do find a home soon.
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Read this great statement from Epik, the domain provider for Gab:
https://www.epik.com/blog/parlerstatement (https://www.epik.com/blog/parlerstatement)
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Read this great statement from Epik, the domain provider for Gab:
https://www.epik.com/blog/parlerstatement (https://www.epik.com/blog/parlerstatement)
Saw that on TOS just now. How do you interpret it?
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Saw that on TOS just now. How do you interpret it?
I thought it was 100% spot on. Very well written, too.
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Well, there was the additional component of sedition encouraged by the President of the United States.
Facts and what you say are completely two different things.
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Facts and what you say are completely two different things.
Well, sedition DID occur. What in your view went wrong?
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Well, sedition DID occur.
PROVE IT. You've been asked a dozen times today to provide a quote.
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PROVE IT. You've been asked a dozen times today to provide a quote.
An attack on the Capitol did occur, with Congress in session. Rioters were screaming for the head of the Vice President.
Why cannot you acknowledge that this was sedition?
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Facts and what you say are completely two different things.
So you, too, claim this was not sedition?
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The nation saw it happen before its eyes. Did you see the footage of the police officer screaming as he was nearly crushed to death?
It is time for patriotic Trump supporters to do the difficult thing and separate yourselves from the man.
Where was Donald Trump? How can you even begin to say he is responsible for the actions of others??
At no time did Trump say "Invade the Capitol". Instead, his calls for Peace, and for the protesters to stand down were removed by Twitter, YouTube, and Facebook.
Since when do media people decide to censor the account of the President of the United States? Getting more than a mite uppity, these Communists.
Next, we can maybe try police officers for burning Lake Street in Minneapolis?
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@roamer_1
Since you seem to be a net-guru.....how on earth could anyone use the data (breached) at this link? It looks like .txt files with nothing anyone could link to a Parler user. For instance... how could I find MY info there, if looking for it...? :whistle:
https://donk.sh/06d639b2-0252-4b1e-883b-f275eff7e792/?__cf_chl_jschl_tk__=ffe8359751bb34a8db577a3cc765001f2cba698d-1610381833-0-ATYXwLWAQUMnGyGU9nMV7TQf3QJ7rFHqJcSr0HAMeJqLRbevoem3K7nqxSRj-IKVOKyUHexZDW0ljWGABWiWpl8ZxrIaGD3U41EuX_b0SphGCY8yjh0eh1myHSelZjPt38GUG8PvZWZpvXxTswVp0YeU5NGyAxVhyTW0LLED1uexDSaXmBPXkx34OHjiS83JBhmWFm8_2bjiHKPLOMb0CxiRWapsZr6hA6yD0y4cdRqKizBy_wfzfzEXfujZ11WrApUVg2-6e9HJHTjujXd9d49pDBd2uaf92_JuAGyEcHzckRw4XNfKrj1IkLQTlv_9O7tvbQWRqfAaB3MK0PRrH8SNv4ERIBnJ3lm-qj5uz6Ef
posted from this Twit-diot on Twitter....
https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1347896132798533632
Point in fact: I am no 'net-guru'... My skills in that regard were laid low by certain law enforcement entities many years ago, which I escaped with but a little blood and the skin of my tooth... Hence my retreat into hacking only that which I have my hands laid upon... Mostly legally.
As to your question though - I got to a text message that said 'That's all Folks', and otherwise have not been able to get on the donk server... So I don't know what you are getting at.
But I can say that everything you do can necessarily and natively be tracked online. How you get a page of any kind downloaded to your device is by request. That is you clicking a link thingy or something... And in order for that request to be honored, of course the site needs to know which computer made the request... So if you are on your phone (which is uniquely identified as a matter of course), or on your computer at home (which is uniquely, albeit passively identified by your ISP), finding out who you are is not all that hard.
Nothing is natively private online. Nothing. The ONLY way you are really anonymous is on a burn phone or on a specifically prepared laptop that has never been used in conjunction with your name or location. If I have to practice my previously held arts (as is my wont from time to time) I do it from an aliased laptop that has never been turned on anywhere near my actual residence.
Hope that helps. :laugh:
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I work for one of the three big cloud vendors. There are three of them. All three have turned down Parler. There are a lot of services beyond storage, and it is easy when you build your service to end up with a strong dependency on your chosen vendor’s platform. It may be quite challenging for them to migrate, even if they do find a home soon.
I can't say where I read it, perhaps in the Parler CEO statement, but they (Parler) have said they were worried about such a circumstance from the get-go, and thus their whole system was scratch-built, and not reliant upon server services - Or at least that is the impression I got from it. Thus my intention in saying all they need is a place to park it. :shrug:
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Where was Donald Trump? How can you even begin to say he is responsible for the actions of others??
Legally (criminally) responsible? No.
Morally responsible? I say yes, you say no. That's called a difference of opinion.
Politically responsible? Absitively and posilutely. LIke Truman said, the buck stops with the President. This was such a monumental blunder, it will define his legacy and end his political career for good.
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Legally (criminally) responsible? No.
Morally responsible? I say yes, you say no. That's called a difference of opinion.
Politically responsible? Absitively and posilutely. LIke Truman said, the buck stops with the President. This was such a monumental blunder, it will define his legacy and end his political career for good.
@Jazzhead
I am curious how you claim sedition while also stating not legally responsible.
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Urging people to express their views peacefully = sedition these days, dontcha know. Newspeak? :pondering:
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Urging people to express their views peacefully = sedition these days, dontcha know. Newspeak? :pondering:
What happened at the Capitol wasn't peaceful. One cop was bludgeoned to death, another almost crushed to death. Shouts can be heard to "hang Pence". The entire episode was a disgrace. And the usual response I get is the lame "look at the BLM riots - they did it too". I thought conservatives were better than falling back on that morally dubious excuse.
Here's Gerard Baker in this morning's WJS:
Now is the time when conservatives especially need to look beyond the frustrations of what often seems like an unlevel playing field and acknowledge an unequivocal, unqualified truth: The President's behavior last week was uniquely and unforgivably iniquitous. And the decay goes deeper. It cannot be excused by citing counterparts on the left.
The primary responsibility for the crimes committed last week lies with the perpetrators. No doubt many of them thought they were simply exercising, robustly, their constitutional right to protest. But watch the videos and you get a sense of how malvoelent many of them were.
Whether the President's words last Wednesday were an actual incitement to violent insurrection can be debated by lawyers and semiologists. But there's no out that his repeated false claims about the election provided the fuel for the metaphorical arsonists whose work he inspired. Mr. Trump disgraced his office and the nation . . .
What starts with righteous frustration at the accretion of power by distant elites can congeal into an alienated politics of faith, not reason, a faith that embraces conspiracy theories and fictions that unscrupulous politicians are willing to feed. It ends in the monstrous chaos of so-called patriots violently storming the seat of republican government.
That path for a reinvigorated conservative movement is a narrow by fruitful one. It must articulate the legitimate grievances of Americans, while resisting the temptation to win them over with simplistic fictions.
It could start with a turn toward moral clarity.
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The point is that Trump did nothing to rile up those few dozen people who entered the Capitol and committed, in your opinion, sedition. He called for peace. Your continued assertion that he committed sedition is utter nonsense.
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The point is that Trump did nothing to rile up those few dozen people who entered the Capitol and committed, in your opinion, sedition. He called for peace. Your continued assertion that he committed sedition is utter nonsense.
The acts themselves were seditious. "In my opinion"?C'mon, get real. You seem to want to minimize the malevolence of those acts in order to protect the President. But, as Mr. Baker wrote, the President had been feeding these folks with fictions for weeks. And he must been aware of the internet chatter promising violence.
You reap what you sow.
Dozens of Trump rallies took place without violence. This one descended into madness. Why was this one different? The answer will reveal the President's culpability.
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The acts themselves were seditious. "In my opinion"?C'mon, get real. You seem to want to minimize the malevolence of those acts in order to protect the President. But, as Mr. Baker wrote, the President had been feeding these folks with fictions for weeks. And he must been aware of the internet chatter promising violence.
You reap what you sow.
Dozens of Trump rallies took place without violence. This one descended into madness. Why was this one different? The answer will reveal the President's culpability.
Fictions? Elaborate, please, and tell us what fictions you refer to.
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Fictions? Elaborate, please, and tell us what fictions you refer to.
Inflammatory claims that the election was stolen, presented without actionable evidence. He had every right to pursue such claims up until the point when the States had certified their electors . At that point it was his responsibility to concede. But instead he inspired a deadly mob - an idiotic and deadly blunder.
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An attack on the Capitol did occur, with Congress in session. Rioters were screaming for the head of the Vice President.
Why cannot you acknowledge that this was sedition?
Because today's charge of sedition is coming from the same people who've been falsely charging the president with everything they can think of over the past four years.
The president had 45 minutes left on his speech at the time of the first breach of the capitol.
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Because today's charge of sedition is coming from the same people who've been falsely charging the president with everything they can think of over the past four years.
The president had 45 minutes left on his speech at the time of the first breach of the capitol.
So you claim this was spontaneous sedition rather than sedition egged on by the President and his refusal to concede the election despite all Constitutional requirements being satisfied? It isn't just what Trump said on the morning of January6, although that was bad enough. It is the poison he's been spewing for the last few weeks after the electors were certified.
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So you claim this was spontaneous sedition rather than sedition egged on by the President and his refusal to concede the election despite all Constitutional requirements being satisfied? It isn't just what Trump said on the morning of January6, although that was bad enough. It is the poison he's been spewing for the last few weeks after the electors were certified.
Like states' legislatures must set the election rules? That Constitutional requirement?
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So you claim this was spontaneous sedition rather than sedition egged on by the President and his refusal to concede the election despite all Constitutional requirements being satisfied? It isn't just what Trump said on the morning of January6, although that was bad enough. It is the poison he's been spewing for the last few weeks after the electors were certified.
Your opinion only. I'm grateful to him for not simply shrugging his shoulder at the theft of his re-election. Maybe now enough Americans are sensitized to the increasing use of fraud by democrats to win elections to want to do something about it.
If your definition of sedition bothered you that much we would've heard SOME criticism from you over the past four years at the bile the rats have been spewing. Instead you jumped in with them.
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If your definition of sedition bothered you that much we would've heard SOME criticism from you over the past four years at the bile the rats have been spewing. Instead you jumped in with them.
I've criticized the rats on many occasions on this board. Last summer I specifically advocated a law and order message as the GOP's best way to counter the left's moral reletavism concerning the BLM riots. Heck, I even changed my user name tag to Blue Lives Matter.
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I've criticized the rats on many occasions on this board. Last summer I specifically advocated a law and order message as the GOP's best way to counter the left's moral reletavism concerning the BLM riots. Heck, I even changed my user name tag to Blue Lives Matter.
I'm talking about the democrats' vicious denunciations of Trump and their nonstop charges of his being an illegitimate president, which make what he's said these past two months pale by comparison.
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I'm talking about the democrats' vicious denunciations of Trump and their nonstop charges of his being an illegitimate president, which make what he's said these past two months pale by comparison.
Two wrongs don't make a right. And nothing compares to a physical assault on the Capitol while Congress was is session. That is an assault on the Republic itself.
It is cowardly and morally bankrupt to minimize or explain away that horrific and deadly scene.
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Two wrongs don't make a right. And nothing compares to a physical assault on the Capitol while Congress was is session. That is an assault on the Republic itself.
Politicizing Federal Law Enforcement and National Security agencies to protect D politicians and hamper an elected R administration with a campaign of lies is *far* worse than a mob vandalizing the Capitol.
Congress returned to its business in short order on 6 January and the vandals are being identified and arrested even as I write this. Obama and his administration corrupted law itself, without which there can be no Republic, and after more than four years no one has been held to account yet.
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It is cowardly and morally bankrupt to minimize or explain away that horrific and deadly scene.
Coming from anyone else I'd be offended. But your posts are ridiculous most of the time.
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Two wrongs don't make a right. And nothing compares to a physical assault on the Capitol while Congress was is session. That is an assault on the Republic itself.
It is cowardly and morally bankrupt to minimize or explain away that horrific and deadly scene.
Welp, it was a riot, bad stuff happens in riots. The perpetrators will be caught and they will face a judge and jury, as they should. To me though, mentioning the left's duplicity in instigating riots all summer and their sudden aversion to them is very relevant still, it is not explaining away at all.
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Two wrongs don't make a right. And nothing compares to a physical assault on the Capitol while Congress was is session. That is an assault on the Republic itself.
The fraudulent election, numerous violations of State law, and refusal to uphold the Constitution are the assault on the Republic. The people who showed up in Washington were there to defend the Republic.
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The fraudulent election, numerous violations of State law, and refusal to uphold the Constitution are the assault on the Republic. The people who showed up in Washington were there to defend the Republic.
The people who showed up were lied to. The election was not stolen. It was lost because Trump refused to address the simple things that would have persuaded a majority to vote for him. He then blamed that failure on sinister forces, and repeated the lie day after day after day until a mob was formed that spun out of control and destroyed his movement.
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Welp, it was a riot, bad stuff happens in riots. The perpetrators will be caught and they will face a judge and jury, as they should. To me though, mentioning the left's duplicity in instigating riots all summer and their sudden aversion to them is very relevant still, it is not explaining away at all.
Oh, it certainly illustrates the left's hypocrisy and double standard. But it does not erase the reality that Trump played with fire and got burned. The shame of it is that his blunder has given the left the weapon it needs to dox, ostracize and demonize 75 million patriotic Americans. I agree 100% that such assholery needs to be opposed.
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Inflammatory claims that the election was stolen, presented without actionable evidence. He had every right to pursue such claims up until the point when the States had certified their electors . At that point it was his responsibility to concede. But instead he inspired a deadly mob - an idiotic and deadly blunder.
Holy sh*t! Are you writing for CNN?
Evidence has been presented for your viewing. If it wasn't, why would fecebook and twitter and youtube be scrubbing the web? Statistical impossibilities, etc, provide enough of a preponderance of evidence that courts would not even look at, sufficient to convince a small multitude, Your assertions that such evidence does not exist has less weight than the sworn affidavits of those who witnessed it.
If the States illegally certified the results and the electors, does that suddenly make wrong right? NOPE. Sure doesn't, and I will not honor the claimed results or a Biden Administration nor give ANY weight to any law passed by that illegal occupation of the Presidency.
Deadly mob? You'd have been statistically safer to be in that crowd than just among an average group of 300,000 Americans, of which 7 would have died on any given day. One person had a heart attack. One suffered the misfortune of being fatally injured in the crowd press (another reason I don't like crowds), one was injured (different rumors about how that happened, but blamed on someone in the crowd), another with no C.O.D. that I have heard, and one was shot by police.
Funny, how a white woman being shot by police doesn't spark riots and destruction and widespread looting and burning, but I'd wager if she'd been of a darker hued complexion, Washington would still be burning.
There is no comparison.
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Your opinion only. I'm grateful to him for not simply shrugging his shoulder at the theft of his re-election. Maybe now enough Americans are sensitized to the increasing use of fraud by democrats to win elections to want to do something about it.
If your definition of sedition bothered you that much we would've heard SOME criticism from you over the past four years at the bile the rats have been spewing. Instead you jumped in with them.
The election wasn't stolen. The big lug simply lost. Get over it.
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The election wasn't stolen. The big lug simply lost. Get over it.
Recycling a previously debated assertion = Textbook trolling. I hope other briefers will figure it out and just stop replying to him.
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The people who showed up were lied to. The election was not stolen. It was lost because Trump refused to address the simple things that would have persuaded a majority to vote for him. He then blamed that failure on sinister forces, and repeated the lie day after day after day until a mob was formed that spun out of control and destroyed his movement.
The only ones here being lied to are the ones reading your posts.
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Recycling a previously debated assertion = Textbook trolling. I hope other briefers will figure it out and just stop replying to him.
I have this disturbing fascination witnessing a human mind that so effortlessly and consistently rejects truth in every single scenario presented.
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I have this disturbing fascination witnessing a human mind that so effortlessly and consistently rejects truth in every single scenario presented.
More likely : a malicious liberal who is getting his jollies by watching you and others get agitated or waste your time trying to convince him.
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More likely : a malicious liberal who is getting his jollies by watching you and others get agitated or waste your time trying to convince him.
I wonder how much he (?) gets paid.
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I wonder how much he (?) gets paid.
No pay is needed. Lefties are consumed with hate for right wingers. They get their jollies causing pain to them, or watching others do so.
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No pay is needed. Lefties are consumed with hate for right wingers. They get their jollies causing pain to them, or watching others do so.
Even so, ya gotta pay the ISP (unless you're piggybacking on someone else).
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Recycling a previously debated assertion = Textbook trolling. I hope other briefers will figure it out and just stop replying to him.
I'm a Republican with different opinions about some things than you do. Can't deal with that, eh?
My view is that this board functions much better when it is not an echo chamber for Trump, and reflects a wider spectrum of conservative/libertarian opinion.
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No pay is needed. Lefties are consumed with hate for right wingers. They get their jollies causing pain to them, or watching others do so.
I dislike Trump, not Trumpsters. I am sorry that criticism of your leader causes you pain. That is not my intent.
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It isn't just what Trump said on the morning of January6, although that was bad enough.
So what exactly was it that President Trump said that you consider seditious?
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I don't see us winning national elections again in my lifetime.
Why the pessimism? The GOP could have won this year with a less polarizing candidate. We remain in charge of our own destiny.
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Why the pessimism? The GOP could have won this year with a less polarizing candidate. We remain in charge of our own destiny.
Trump set a record this election for a Republican candidate. Which Republican do you think could have gotten more votes than Trump?
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Trump set a record this election for a Republican candidate. Which Republican do you think could have gotten more votes than Trump?
Kasich, of course. 000hehehehe
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Trump set a record this election for a Republican candidate. Which Republican do you think could have gotten more votes than Trump?
I'm happy to credit Trump for any number of accomplishments, but get real. Votes were up across the board because Democrats governments in many states mailed out ballots without requiring an absentee application. So there was a lower threshold of lazy necessary to cast a ballot this year. Given that, literally any Republican (or Democrat) could have gotten record votes.
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Kasich, of course. 000hehehehe
Yes, I know. Hardee-har-har. One thing Trumpsters don't care much about is the federal deficit. Kasich was one of the last old-school budget hawks.
Your grandkids will regret that Republicans like John Kasich don't exist anymore.
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Trump set a record this election for a Republican candidate. Which Republican do you think could have gotten more votes than Trump?
A candidate that Trump could have endorsed as the successor to take his revolution forward as this unique citizen-politician retired with honor to his family and businesses. Maybe someone like his former U.N. Ambassador.
Instead we have the current wreckage of both the man and his movement.
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Yes, I know. Hardee-har-har. One thing Trumpsters don't care much about is the federal deficit. Kasich was one of the last old-school budget hawks.
The key word there being 'was'... Just as Newt Gingrich 'WAS' a lot of things too.
Was ain't is.
And as much as I have railed against folks about fiscal matters, you can bet where my loyalties lie in that.
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Instead we have the current wreckage of both the man and his movement.
The wreckage was bound to happen wrt the movement. It stood for nothing, rooted only in populism... which is no root at all. There is no logic in Tumpism. And facts don't care about emotions.
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Yes, I know. Hardee-har-har. One thing Trumpsters don't care much about is the federal deficit. Kasich was one of the last old-school budget hawks.
Your grandkids will regret that Republicans like John Kasich don't exist anymore.
At the federal level without the line item veto Kasich would be just another big spender, with bad skin and poor table manners.
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Yes, I know. Hardee-har-har. One thing Trumpsters don't care much about is the federal deficit. Kasich was one of the last old-school budget hawks.
Your grandkids will regret that Republicans like John Kasich don't exist anymore.
What are talking about? KASICH IS A RINO. ergo DEMON-RAT. WHAT ABOUT DEMON-RATS SPENDING? WHY IS IT ALL ON REPUBLICANS? ALWAYS? That is an OBAMA saying DEMON-RATS are the ones who put in all the PORK for themselves and other countries who hate us, then pubs, say 'no' to these bills. They are "blamed" for being the one's who reign in spending! DEMON-RATS FILL BILLS WITH PORK...ALWAYS. THEY ARE THE SPENDERS. You welcome.
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What are talking about? KASICH IS A RINO. ergo DEMON-RAT. WHAT ABOUT DEMON-RATS SPENDING? WHY IS IT ALL ON REPUBLICANS? ALWAYS? That is an OBAMA saying DEMON-RATS are the ones who put in all the PORK for themselves and other countries who hate us, then pubs, say 'no' to these bills. They are "blamed" for being the one's who reign in spending! DEMON-RATS FILL BILLS WITH PORK...ALWAYS. THEY ARE THE SPENDERS. You welcome.
Because the principles of fiscal conservatism reside on the right... And your boy Tumpy is just as bad as any Democrat in that regard.
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Why the pessimism? The GOP could have won this year with a less polarizing candidate. We remain in charge of our own destiny.
b u ll. VOTING MACHINE FRAUD. POTUS TRUMP WON BY 90 MILLION VOTES. All on you lefts. Why are you pretending it was a REAL ELECTION?
Joe Biden brags about having “the most extensive and inclusive VOTER FRAUD organization†in history.
Same fraud for Obama 's phoney election.
•Oct 24, 2020
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Because the principles of fiscal conservatism reside on the right... And your boy Tumpy is just as bad as any Democrat in that regard.
WRONG. POTUS TRUMP was very thrifty. Always making the best deals. Returning 20% to the treasury, from his allotted money to start his presidency. There is more. I just can't remember EVERYTHING...for you. you need to stop your TRUMP ENVY. That is all, this is about. POTUS TOOK NO SALARY. That is about 2 million dollars SAVED on we the taxpayers.
He made the embassy in Jerusalem on a budget. He was quoted a number in the billions. He got it done for $400,000.00. He purchased our planes from Lockheed for a better amount. It is just sad, you can never say anything nice about him. THAT IS THE TRUMP ENVY. WWW.MAGAPILL.COM (http://WWW.MAGAPILL.COM)
And you call him 'boy' and "Trumpy"...that is jealousy. Trying to bring him down.
2014.
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WRONG. POTUS TRUMP was very thrifty.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Got that far and knew whatever was under it was bullcrap.
FIFTEEN FRIGGIN TRILLION DOLLARS. That is not 'thrifty' in ANY sense of the word.
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Two wrongs don't make a right. And nothing compares to a physical assault on the Capitol while Congress was is session. That is an assault on the Republic itself.
It is cowardly and morally bankrupt to minimize or explain away that horrific and deadly scene.
Yes sometimes 2 'wrongs' DO MAKE A RIGHT. Who told you it didn't? Do you need some examples?
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The wreckage was bound to happen wrt the movement. It stood for nothing, rooted only in populism... which is no root at all. There is no logic in Tumpism. And facts don't care about emotions.
I think the Trumpism movement was rooted in a personality cult; it stood for Trump the man, and it's not yet in the past tense. It is motivated by the frustration millions honestly felt in not having a leader speak for them, and seeing Trump finally say what they had felt for years, and saying it without apology. Consequently the movement is willing to overlook Trump's character and personality flaws, even to deny and invert them and to interpret them as virtues, and to excoriate anyone who refuses to join in that fantasy.
But it did identify and reinforce ideas that American Conservatives should take seriously, and include in our orthodoxy : main-street-America-first, in both trade policy and immigration policy; a serious reduction in the burden to freedom and prosperity posed by Federal regulation; and an intentional withdrawal from the idea of the American military as the guarantor of other people's freedoms. On fiscal policy serious Conservatives can only regard "Trumpism" as a failure, but that doesn't negate the areas where it has clarified what the American people want from the Federal government.
I've been clear here more than once about my criticisms of Trump. But if we "real Conservatives" really have this figured out, then we have to ask ourselves honestly why we can't get a "real Conservative" elected. We had a clear real Conservative choice during the 2016 R primaries, whom I supported, yet he was defeated. Some of us might consider Trump the man unworthy, but if Trumpism is empty as well, why did so many choose Trump over Cruz?
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Trump supporters organized the Capitol riot online
By Rebecca Klar - 01/09/21 06:21 AM EST
Supporters of President Trump mused openly on social media about the possibility of violence in the days leading up to the riot at the Capitol, using various mainstream and conservative-leaning sites to organize.
As tech platforms crack down on Trump in the wake of the attack, experts say increasingly popular right-wing sites could pose an even greater danger down the road as conspiracy theories breed real-life crises.
“Jan. 6 is an inflection point for how the United States and the world views conspiracy theories, and how conspiracy theories, ranging from election fraud and ‘Stop the Steal,’ can lead to real-world harm in a way that a lot of people never really kind of believed,†Jason Blazakis, director of the Center on Terrorism, Extremism and Counterterrorism at the Middlebury Institute, told The Hill.
“I think now, after seeing that happen on the 6th of January, I think this chapter of the book related to conspiracy theories has been written. And it is a national security threat,†he added.
Posts on websites including Parler, a Twitter-like platform with minimal content moderation, and TheDonald.win, a message forum that sprung up after Reddit banned a “subreddit†of the same name in June, were rife with posts about storming the Capitol in the days leading up to the deadly riot that prompted a lockdown and forced lawmakers to evacuate.
But posts on mainstream platforms, including Twitter, also mused about a potential attack coinciding with the day Congress was set to affirm President-elect Joe Biden’s win, according to a report from Advance Democracy, a non-partisan, non-profit organization that conducts public-interest research & investigations.
For five days leading up to the riot, when a mob forced its way into the Capitol, there were 1,480 posts on Twitter from QAnon-related accounts about the Jan. 6 date that contained “terms of violence,†according to the Advance Democracy report.
One account related to the QAnon conspiracy theory late Tuesday night tweeted, “WE are all done being the bigger person, no more MR. NICE PATRIOT! it’s Time for Patriots to Rise up, Kick The Tires and Light the Fires, and Kick Ass and Take Names!!,†according to the report.
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https://thehill.com/policy/technology/533450-trump-supporters-organized-the-capitol-riot-online
It was patriots going to DC peacefully. THEN ANTIFA/BLM..were told to wear Trump gear. It was ANTIFA/BLM who did the damage. NOT OUR PATRIOTS.
CRIME PUBLISHED: 2:00 PM 14 JAN 2021 UPDATED: 7:40 PM 14 JAN 2021
Son Of A New York Judge Arrested After Being Identified As One Of The Democrat Rioters At The Capitol
Yet again, the rioters are being identified as leftists, NOT Trump supporters.
by G Walrath
The man is a registered democrat. (Source: YouTube screenshot)
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Yet another of the violent rioters from the Capitol have been identified and arrested, but this man isn’t a Trump supporter. In fact, he’s a registered democrat and the son of a New York Judge.
The Gateway Pundit reported:
Another violent leftist was arrested on Wednesday for partaking in the US Capitalprotest turned Antifa riot.
Aaron Mostofsky, is a registered Democrat. He is the latest Antifa rioter who was identified at the Capital on January 6th.
Another radical at the Capital last week was arrested yesterday. He is a registered Democrat:
“Records show Aaron Mostofsky is a registered Democrat.†https://t.co/hPnL2fTjFN
Mr. Mostofsky is a 34 year old registered Democrat and the son of a New York Judge. He is seen in the picture above dressed in fur, carrying a stick and wearing a bullet proof police vest he had stolen.
Mostofsky is standing beside the man who carried a Confederate flag into the event. This indicates they possibly knew each other and both appear to be outsiders and leftist demons plotting to smear Trump supporters.
It’s unknown at this time if Mostofsky is a member of Antifa who was clearly leading the violent activities at the Capitol.
As the days go by, the violent criminal activity at the US Capitol continues to be linked to leftist outsiders at the event. This really comes as no surprise
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I think the Trumpism movement was rooted in a personality cult; it stood for Trump the man, and it's not yet in the past tense. It is motivated by the frustration millions honestly felt in not having a leader speak for them, and seeing Trump finally say what they had felt for years, and saying it without apology. Consequently the movement is willing to overlook Trump's character and personality flaws, even to deny and invert them and to interpret them as virtues, and to excoriate anyone who refuses to join in that fantasy.
But it did identify and reinforce ideas that American Conservatives should take seriously, and include in our orthodoxy : main-street-America-first, in both trade policy and immigration policy; a serious reduction in the burden to freedom and prosperity posed by Federal regulation; and an intentional withdrawal from the idea of the American military as the guarantor of other people's freedoms. On fiscal policy serious Conservatives can only regard "Trumpism" as a failure, but that doesn't negate the areas where it has clarified what the American people want from the Federal government.
I've been clear here more than once about my criticisms of Trump. But if we "real Conservatives" really have this figured out, then we have to ask ourselves honestly why we can't get a "real Conservative" elected. We had a clear real Conservative choice during the 2016 R primaries, whom I supported, yet he was defeated. Some of us might consider Trump the man unworthy, but if Trumpism is empty as well, why did so many choose Trump over Cruz?
I totally disagree. I know you are revered on here, but this has to do with most men suffering from TRUMP ENVY. I 've studied human behavior for about 35 years. Then dated you men. ALWAYS ABOUT ENVY OF OTHER MEN. POTUS TRUMP IS AN ALPHA MALE. Same 'fault's as most of you men have. Why do some of you want Jesus Christ as president? CRUZ IS NOT A CONSERVATIVE
Here is a conservative. Go to about 40;00. " No alcohol, no drugs, no cigarettes. No tattoos". Cruz is a snake in the grass. Trump the man is the BEST. What is unworthy? Only males who have TRUMP ENVY.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vrrfRnqqus&t=2007s#)
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Got that far and knew whatever was under it was bullcrap.
FIFTEEN FRIGGIN TRILLION DOLLARS. That is not 'thrifty' in ANY sense of the word.
I know, right?
Even without C19, if Trump won a second term he was on the path to see the debt rise faster than it did on BHO's watch
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It was patriots going to DC peacefully. THEN ANTIFA/BLM..were told to wear Trump gear. It was ANTIFA/BLM who did the damage. NOT OUR PATRIOTS.
This is simply not true. Not that there weren't leftist agitators in DC. But the claim that all those who broke the law were BLM types is false
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Trump set a record this election for a Republican candidate. Which Republican do you think could have gotten more votes than Trump?
I know several people who either voted Biden or left the president ballot blank on election day but voted GOP down ticket.
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To me though, mentioning the left's duplicity in instigating riots all summer and their sudden aversion to them is very relevant still, it is not explaining away at all.
I agree
Pointing out how all of the sudden the left supports law and order is not a whataboutism when it comes to the DC riot
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I think the Trumpism movement was rooted in a personality cult; it stood for Trump the man, and it's not yet in the past tense. It is motivated by the frustration millions honestly felt in not having a leader speak for them, and seeing Trump finally say what they had felt for years, and saying it without apology. Consequently the movement is willing to overlook Trump's character and personality flaws, even to deny and invert them and to interpret them as virtues, and to excoriate anyone who refuses to join in that fantasy.
But it did identify and reinforce ideas that American Conservatives should take seriously, and include in our orthodoxy : main-street-America-first, in both trade policy and immigration policy; a serious reduction in the burden to freedom and prosperity posed by Federal regulation; and an intentional withdrawal from the idea of the American military as the guarantor of other people's freedoms. On fiscal policy serious Conservatives can only regard "Trumpism" as a failure, but that doesn't negate the areas where it has clarified what the American people want from the Federal government.
I've been clear here more than once about my criticisms of Trump. But if we "real Conservatives" really have this figured out, then we have to ask ourselves honestly why we can't get a "real Conservative" elected. We had a clear real Conservative choice during the 2016 R primaries, whom I supported, yet he was defeated. Some of us might consider Trump the man unworthy, but if Trumpism is empty as well, why did so many choose Trump over Cruz?
I agree with a lot of this.... I knew Cruz was in trouble when the public swallowed the lie that Trump put forth in his defense of "New York Values" and turning it against Cruz (Cruz hates New York). Cruz pointed out the flaws in Trump yet the public instead of researching the truth that Trump was a populist just went with the MSM (Fox) spin.
@HoustonSam
If you expect to get the truth from a lot of so-called conservative web sites/tvnews, you will find yourself with more Trumps.... they want the sensational to report, not conservative values which translates to "boring".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHAHKGP10yc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHAHKGP10yc)
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The wreckage was bound to happen wrt the movement. It stood for nothing, rooted only in populism... which is no root at all. There is no logic in Tumpism. And facts don't care about emotions.
@roamer_1
@Jazzhead
Jazz, you said, "One thing Trumpsters don't care much about is the federal deficit. Kasich was one of the last old-school budget hawks. Your grandkids will regret that Republicans like John Kasich don't exist anymore."
Jazz, you said, "So you claim this was spontaneous sedition rather than sedition egged on by the President and his refusal to concede the election despite all Constitutional requirements being satisfied? It isn't just what Trump said on the morning of January 6, although that was bad enough. It is the poison he's been spewing for the last few weeks after the electors were certified."
roamer, jazz: At this time, this forum is a Trump forum and any criticism of him assures the poster of nasty personal attacks and these attacks are the worst I have ever read here. If I want to talk with a member about any subject, I am using personal messaging (PMs) to avoid the anger here.
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I agree
Pointing out how all of the sudden the left supports law and order is not a whataboutism when it comes to the DC riot
Pointing out leftist hypocrisy is always fair game. It will be fun to see Trump conduct his defense in his upcoming Show Trial, contrasting himself with examples of leftist incitements of combat from this summer.
But none of that excuses what Trump did this last month to incinerate the American traditions of comity and the peaceful transition of power. The people made their choice, for good or ill.
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I think the Trumpism movement was rooted in a personality cult; it stood for Trump the man, and it's not yet in the past tense. It is motivated by the frustration millions honestly felt in not having a leader speak for them, and seeing Trump finally say what they had felt for years, and saying it without apology. Consequently the movement is willing to overlook Trump's character and personality flaws, even to deny and invert them and to interpret them as virtues, and to excoriate anyone who refuses to join in that fantasy.
I think that's pretty well right - I think people were happy to see somebody dot the eye of the liberals, and in their glee confused bellicosity and belligerence with serious cahones. I find that quite the other way. The loudmouth is the last one to worry about. But then there is a disconnect between my way and most folks it seems. I am more a 'walk softly and carry a big stick' kinda guy. It's the quiet one that is the curly wolf. He'll have nothing to prove. 'He fights' would have no need to be emphasized because it would just be a matter of course. And when he lets loose the results are self evident. There is blood on the ground.
Hill folk know what I am saying, and cowboys do too. But it seems that posturing is taken for manhood in many places. Titillated by the knife fight in 'Grease', as it were. Never found that sort of thing to be of any worth at all myself, not to mention being attractive. So maybe I am the wrong one to say.
But it did identify and reinforce ideas that American Conservatives should take seriously, and include in our orthodoxy : main-street-America-first, in both trade policy and immigration policy; a serious reduction in the burden to freedom and prosperity posed by Federal regulation; and an intentional withdrawal from the idea of the American military as the guarantor of other people's freedoms. On fiscal policy serious Conservatives can only regard "Trumpism" as a failure, but that doesn't negate the areas where it has clarified what the American people want from the Federal government.
Well that is true and self-evident. And all of the above are present in Conservatism - But that does not credit the Tumpist movement with much. A broken clock is right twice a day after all. It isn't THAT it's right, but WHY it's right. 'America First' is a bumper sticker, not an argument.
I've been clear here more than once about my criticisms of Trump. But if we "real Conservatives" really have this figured out, then we have to ask ourselves honestly why we can't get a "real Conservative" elected. We had a clear real Conservative choice during the 2016 R primaries, whom I supported, yet he was defeated. Some of us might consider Trump the man unworthy, but if Trumpism is empty as well, why did so many choose Trump over Cruz?
Again, I am probably not the right guy. I am particularly sensitive to con jobs, and I smell that sort of thing coming. I see Tumpy as a chaos player following up with a martyr con. Throw everything at the wall, piss everybody off, and then going all crybaby and underdog because everybody is picking on him... Playing off of sympathy and creating a defensive reaction... And I saw that in him early on. He's a one trick pony... and he always plays the public.
And the drama always plays better with the public than someone who is straightforward like Cruz. However, I am continually surprised by how many that claim conservatism will be so easily swayed to sacrifice the very things they claim to stand upon for the expediency of the moment. And worse than that - The main motivator, the overweening lever is fear. Fear has never made a proper decision.
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I know, right?
Even without C19, if Trump won a second term he was on the path to see the debt rise faster than it did on BHO's watch
It is utterly bereft of defense. Anyone who has ever balanced a checkbook at the kitchen table... Anyone who has ever finally found themselves cutting up their credit cards would inherently understand the math.
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This is simply not true. Not that there weren't leftist agitators in DC. But the claim that all those who broke the law were BLM types is false
I would say that is probably right... But then that is what rebel-rousers and agitators are for.
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I think the Trumpism movement was rooted in a personality cult; it stood for Trump the man, and it's not yet in the past tense. It is motivated by the frustration millions honestly felt in not having a leader speak for them, and seeing Trump finally say what they had felt for years, and saying it without apology. Consequently the movement is willing to overlook Trump's character and personality flaws, even to deny and invert them and to interpret them as virtues, and to excoriate anyone who refuses to join in that fantasy.
But it did identify and reinforce ideas that American Conservatives should take seriously, and include in our orthodoxy : main-street-America-first, in both trade policy and immigration policy; a serious reduction in the burden to freedom and prosperity posed by Federal regulation; and an intentional withdrawal from the idea of the American military as the guarantor of other people's freedoms. On fiscal policy serious Conservatives can only regard "Trumpism" as a failure, but that doesn't negate the areas where it has clarified what the American people want from the Federal government.
I've been clear here more than once about my criticisms of Trump. But if we "real Conservatives" really have this figured out, then we have to ask ourselves honestly why we can't get a "real Conservative" elected. We had a clear real Conservative choice during the 2016 R primaries, whom I supported, yet he was defeated. Some of us might consider Trump the man unworthy, but if Trumpism is empty as well, why did so many choose Trump over Cruz?
Because lies won the day. He was the only who could win we were told. Never mind Hillary was widely hated. Remember the evil Goldman Sachs that owned Cruz? Never mind that Trump placed numerous top Goldman Sachs executives in charge of Federal departments shortly after taking office... He was going to drain the swamp he said prior to being elected and then promptly let the queen of the swamp off the hook for already suffering too much the day after he was elected.
And too many want their cut of someone else paying for their goodies. Trump said he was going to demand that health insurance cover preexisting conditions - an idea that negates the very definition of insurance. A logical fallacy. It was simply turning private health insurance into another government entitlement program with the illusion of being private health insurance. And the GOP lied repeatedly about getting rid of that scam.
I really doubt there's any recovery from here.
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Got that far and knew whatever was under it was bullcrap.
FIFTEEN FRIGGIN TRILLION DOLLARS. That is not 'thrifty' in ANY sense of the word.
He is the only president to put oil in the SPR for free, None of the others did that. Jus' saying.
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He is the only president to put oil in the SPR for free, None of the others did that. Jus' saying.
Your old enough to know Joe, There ain't nothing free. But I won't argue with you over such a pittance. For a pittance it is alongside of the debt that he put my grandchildren into. It is quite literally indefensible.
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Your old enough to know Joe, There ain't nothing free. But I won't argue with you over such a pittance. For a pittance it is alongside of the debt that he put my grandchildren into. It is quite literally indefensible.
You are right. The oil is in payment for space in the SPR, rented to give time to slow down and shut in production that exceeded available storage space.
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He is the only president to put oil in the SPR for free, None of the others did that. Jus' saying.
@Smokin Joe
Can you help me understand the "for free" part?
DOE Acts on President Trump's Order to Purchase Oil for the SPR: Releases RFP Announcing Crude Oil Purchase to Test the Market
https://www.energy.gov/articles/doe-acts-president-trumps-order-purchase-oil-spr-releases-rfp-announcing-crude-oil-purchase (https://www.energy.gov/articles/doe-acts-president-trumps-order-purchase-oil-spr-releases-rfp-announcing-crude-oil-purchase)
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He is the only president to put oil in the SPR for free, None of the others did that. Jus' saying.
(https://i.postimg.cc/3x9tkV1r/chart-21.png)
(https://i.postimg.cc/rFMG5gKD/chart-22.png)
U.S. Ending Stocks of Crude Oil in SPR
https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MCSSTUS1&f=M (https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MCSSTUS1&f=M)
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Because lies won the day. He was the only who could win we were told. Never mind Hillary was widely hated. Remember the evil Goldman Sachs that owned Cruz? Never mind that Trump placed numerous top Goldman Sachs executives in charge of Federal departments shortly after taking office... He was going to drain the swamp he said prior to being elected and then promptly let the queen of the swamp off the hook for already suffering too much the day after he was elected.
And too many want their cut of someone else paying for their goodies. Trump said he was going to demand that health insurance cover preexisting conditions - an idea that negates the very definition of insurance. A logical fallacy. It was simply turning private health insurance into another government entitlement program with the illusion of being private health insurance. And the GOP lied repeatedly about getting rid of that scam.
I really doubt there's any recovery from here.
In 2024, we'll just pretend he, and nothing else in this disastrous year, happened.
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@Smokin Joe
Can you help me understand the "for free" part?
DOE Acts on President Trump's Order to Purchase Oil for the SPR: Releases RFP Announcing Crude Oil Purchase to Test the Market
https://www.energy.gov/articles/doe-acts-president-trumps-order-purchase-oil-spr-releases-rfp-announcing-crude-oil-purchase (https://www.energy.gov/articles/doe-acts-president-trumps-order-purchase-oil-spr-releases-rfp-announcing-crude-oil-purchase)
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/environment-and-energy/trump-opens-oil-reserve-to-drillers-seeking-a-home-for-barrels (https://news.bloomberglaw.com/environment-and-energy/trump-opens-oil-reserve-to-drillers-seeking-a-home-for-barrels) The rent was to be in oil.
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In 2024, we'll just pretend he, and nothing else in this disastrous year, happened.
In 2024, you will see millions of Biden voters denying that they ever voted for him.
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https://news.bloomberglaw.com/environment-and-energy/trump-opens-oil-reserve-to-drillers-seeking-a-home-for-barrels (https://news.bloomberglaw.com/environment-and-energy/trump-opens-oil-reserve-to-drillers-seeking-a-home-for-barrels) The rent was to be in oil.
Thank you. While I believe that was the first time the SPR was used for temporary private storage, it was not the first time oil was added to the SPR in a similar fashion. Under several presidents before Trump oil has been loaned out to private industry and repaid with the original quantity plus a premium amount for the loan. Essential interest paid in barrels of oil in place of money.
Often this was due to Hurricanes but also other types of supply disruptions.
History of SPR Releases
https://www.energy.gov/fe/services/petroleum-reserves/strategic-petroleum-reserve/releasing-oil-spr (https://www.energy.gov/fe/services/petroleum-reserves/strategic-petroleum-reserve/releasing-oil-spr)
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Thank you. While I believe that was the first time the SPR was used for temporary private storage, it was not the first time oil was added to the SPR in a similar fashion. Under several presidents before Trump oil has been loaned out to private industry and repaid with the original quantity plus a premium amount for the loan. Essential interest paid in barrels of oil in place of money.
Often this was due to Hurricanes but also other types of supply disruptions.
History of SPR Releases
https://www.energy.gov/fe/services/petroleum-reserves/strategic-petroleum-reserve/releasing-oil-spr (https://www.energy.gov/fe/services/petroleum-reserves/strategic-petroleum-reserve/releasing-oil-spr)
Apparently the idea was to put the oil in and to allow storage which equaled time to ramp down production so the market would not be totally glutted. That had the effect of stabilizing price, which was at -$50 and dropping. But the back end of the deal was that some of that oil would be left in the SPR as rent for the space. As far as the Country is concerned, it's free oil. That is a businessman's style of win-win solution.
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When did a stolen election become a conspiracy theory? Now they go after conservative websites too. Everything will be like before the emergence of social media, when there was only the lying MSM, or better, worse than before, now the Nazis of the Democratic party and big techs want absolute power. American society better wake up quickly to what is happening. America is fast becoming a globalist pscychopathic dictatorship. This has happened before. This whole mechanism was described by Andrew Lobaczweski in a study reporting that the communist elite are psychopathic individuals acting cooperatively in politics. In the same way that psychopaths form gangs in big cities, they can turn their attention to politics and the result is what we see now in Europe and America. I made a text explaining Lobaczweski's findings and how they fit into America's current situation. Read it in link below. Please, share it.
----> http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,424671.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,424671.0.html) <----
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When did a stolen election become a conspiracy theory? Now they go after conservative websites too. Everything will be like before the emergence of social media, when there was only the lying MSM, or better, worse than before, now the Nazis of the Democratic party and big techs want absolute power. American society better wake up quickly to what is happening. America is fast becoming a globalist pscychopathic dictatorship. This has happened before. This whole mechanism was described by Andrew Lobaczweski in a study reporting that the communist elite are psychopathic individuals acting cooperatively in politics. In the same way that psychopaths form gangs in big cities, they can turn their attention to politics and the result is what we see now in Europe and America. I made a text explaining Lobaczweski's findings and how they fit into America's current situation. Read it in link below. Please, share it.
----> http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,424671.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,424671.0.html) <----
Meh... Explaining the obvious. ALL leaders have a component of hedonism...Self-centeredness... sociopathic nature. That is what it takes to lead - MY way or the highway. There it is.
So the argument than becomes one of where the sociopath becomes a psychopath, which is a fine line already, impossible to divide, even as genius is direct kin to insanity.
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Meh... Explaining the obvious. ALL leaders have a component of hedonism...Self-centeredness... sociopathic nature. That is what it takes to lead - MY way or the highway. There it is.
So the argument than becomes one of where the sociopath becomes a psychopath, which is a fine line already, impossible to divide, even as genius is direct kin to insanity.
This is one of the better posts in a long time for explaining what we are up against. http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,424671.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,424671.0.html)
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This is one of the better posts in a long time for explaining what we are up against. http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,424671.0.html (http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,424671.0.html)
I read it. A link to that occasioned my post. And I will stand on my reply.
There is no distinction in today vis forever... what is has always been. Leadership always has a sociopathic component. and as I have said, the distinction between sociopath and psychopath is fine indeed.
In that it isn't that I reject the work... but rather that it leaves no mark. Today is no different than ever in its worldly parts. There is nothing new in the world. and thus, nothing novel in leadership.
What we're up against ain't human. So any diagnosis of humanity is bound to fail.
@Smokin Joe
@Freedom2020
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What we're up against ain't human. So any diagnosis of humanity is bound to fail.
For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
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For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
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Exactly, and with emphasis.
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Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.
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Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.
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Hence, why Conservatives tend to be steadfast and immovable. :beer: :patriot: :seeya:
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I think the Trumpism movement was rooted in a personality cult; it stood for Trump the man, and it's not yet in the past tense.
@HoustonSam
@Jazzhead
@Cyber Liberty
Yes, "cult" is the operative word. Trump is another Captain Ahab whose speeches to his crew brainwashed them into a cult who would do anything Ahab or Trump said. Ahab's ship went down, all were lost except Ishmael who did his own thinking.
There is no point to keep word fighting here about who was the crew that assaulted the United States of America. Was it Trump's crew, a Democrat crew, or a general Criminal Crew out for a good time beating people/destroying property? We are going to know that when the trials start - who each one is and their crew identification.
Again, throwing rocks (found on the beach) at each other here, is useless waste of energy - and bumps on heads. Wait until crew ID is known.
I just noticed, this is my post no. 7,000.
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For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
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@roamer_1 I agree fully, that the problems we face ultimately are not of this world, but instead saw the piece as a good diagnostic framework for identifying those traits in humans when they might not seem so apparent. We see the almost orgasmic megalomania growing in those who deem themselves above us all, in a society founded on the Truth that, in the eyes of YHWH, all men are created equal, endowed by their creator with unalienable Rights. In some cases it might not be so obvious, and we know its source, for those are the people who feel they should be treated as demigods at the least. I pointed out Fauci, who for fun, status, a grievance against one man, profit, or simple evil )pr a combination of those), refused to even acknowledge either of a pair of treatments that might have saved the lives of tens of thousands--something which rates as a crime against humanity in more sane times.
These are the philosophies of men, and while there may be some vanity in them, there is also truth--something you and many others have remained steadfastly focused on, so as you say, it leaves no mark. But for others who may suffer from other biases, I think it candidly and simply explains what sort of people they are dealing with, and that may well be a useful tool in projecting what is coming, for those less inclined to read the Old Testament (and New) prophets.
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@roamer_1 I agree fully, that the problems we face ultimately are not of this world, but instead saw the piece as a good diagnostic framework for identifying those traits in humans when they might not seem so apparent. We see the almost orgasmic megalomania growing in those who deem themselves above us all, in a society founded on the Truth that, in the eyes of YHWH, all men are created equal, endowed by their creator with unalienable Rights. In some cases it might not be so obvious, and we know its source, for those are the people who feel they should be treated as demigods at the least. I pointed out Fauci, who for fun, status, a grievance against one man, profit, or simple evil )pr a combination of those), refused to even acknowledge either of a pair of treatments that might have saved the lives of tens of thousands--something which rates as a crime against humanity in more sane times.
These are the philosophies of men, and while there may be some vanity in them, there is also truth--something you and many others have remained steadfastly focused on, so as you say, it leaves no mark. But for others who may suffer from other biases, I think it candidly and simply explains what sort of people they are dealing with, and that may well be a useful tool in projecting what is coming, for those less inclined to read the Old Testament (and New) prophets.
While I agree with you Joe, and nearly always do, it is still a misdirection of focus. It isn't so much 'that they are', but 'what they will' - Any governance is rife with power hungry lawless people. It ALWAYS is so. And that is why our forefathers, both in the country and in Conservatism sought always for small government, rightly chained, and prevented from being powerful enough for your psychopaths to use as a platform to build their guillotines. They WILL do exactly as they are, because they CAN.
That much should go without saying. The focus needs to be on restoring the posts and building the rails, and upon the mighty chain and collar that kept this beast of a government at bay.
And with it, knowledge - not of the psychopath, but of the demons whispering in his ear.