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General Category => National/Breaking News => Topic started by: kevindavis007 on September 23, 2017, 11:03:37 am
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President Donald Trump slammed the NFL this evening for what he called the league's tolerance of players showing disrespect to the U.S.
Speaking to a crowd in Huntsville, Alabama, where Trump is campaigning for Luther Strange ahead of the Senate runoff for the Republican primary, Trump insisted the NFL take a stronger stance.
"Wouldn’t you love to see one of the NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say 'Get that son of a b---- off the field right now?'" he continued to thunderous applause and cheers.
"You know, some owner ... is going to say, 'That guy who disrespects our flag, he’s fired,'" Trump said.
Trump went on to encourage people to "leave the stadium" to protest people doing things like kneeling during the national anthem. "I guarantee things will stop," he said.
He also seemed to suggest efforts to prevent injuries were "ruining the game."
"Because you know today if you hit too hard: Fifteen yards. Throw him out of the game," Trump said. "... They want to hit. It is hurting the game."
Read More: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-slams-nfl-tolerating-players-disrespect-us/story?id=50033600
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This is where I wish Trump would shut up and mind his own business.
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This is where I wish Trump would shut up and mind his own business.
The concept of there being MILLIONS of American voters who don't care for Donald Trump is easy to understand for all of us.
Likewise, the concept of there being MILLION of NFL fans who are sick and damned tired of being sick and damned tired with all this SJW bullsh*t.
President Trump....the plain-speaking POTUS...LOVE IT!
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Redskins player rips Trump for attacking NFL players protests
By Post Sports Desk
NY Post (http://nypost.com/2017/09/23/redskins-player-rips-trump-for-attacking-nfl-players-protests/)
September 23, 2017 | 1:49am
With every action comes a reaction.
And with every President Trump speech or tweet comes a response.
At a campaign rally Friday night for Sen. Luther Strange in Alabama Friday night, Trump said NFL owners should fire players who don’t stand for the national anthem. He also noted the NFL’s poor TV ratings and lamented that refs are ruining the game.
At least one NFL player lashed back later in the night as Redskins linebacker Zach Brown took to Twitter and told Trump to “stay in [your] place.”
“… Football have nothing to do wit u smh,” Brown tweeted.
Brown was a second-team All-Pro in 2016 and also made his first trip to the Pro Bowl.
So now Trump can tweet about this guy, and the player can tweet back, and the dance continues. **nononono*
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“… Football have nothing to do wit u smh,” Brown tweeted.
And politics have [sic] nothing to do with football, either, so stand up
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This is where I wish Trump would shut up and mind his own business.
Are a black social justice warrior?
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Trump was an owner in the old USFL, I believe a part-owner:
(http://images.onset.freedom.com/ocregister/nto1r5-b88495188z.120150825183350000gqqbktpm.10.jpg)
Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said something not altogether unlike what Trump has said.
Thursday night, the Rams and 49ers played but one of the articles posted on this website said both teams were involved in protests and that's a big downer. The Rams have got some nice new uniforms too, that yellow but I didn't watch the game.
Fans have a right to speak at the least. The NFL is losing fans. Thankfully nobody on my favorite team has done any of this yet and if one individual acted up; I don't think the whole rest of the team should be dissed necessarily, it's just that one person.
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He also seemed to suggest efforts to prevent injuries were "ruining the game."
"Because you know today if you hit too hard: Fifteen yards. Throw him out of the game," Trump said. "... They want to hit. It is hurting the game."
The verdict is really coming in; a lot of these players are being hurt by concussions and the like BUT, they make that choice. I have an acquaintance who played college ball, he got 3 knee replacements by his late 20s.
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With Trump on this one. The last president fomented racial hatred and failed to address the pathology in black neighborhoods. This president has a chance to tell the leftist morons their idiocy won't be approved or tolerated.
Basically, it's up to the various sports leagues to address the problem. NFL commish Goodell, who has let all the on field protests slide, is up for renewal of his contract. Hopefully, the owners throw him out on his rearend.
Obama would probably have joined the SJWs on the fields and courts or given tacit approval in so many words. At least this president acknowledges most Americans are fed up with the coddled whiners and complainers.
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Are a black social justice warrior?
I'm ambivalent on whether or not Trump should have spoken out on this. But it does highlight the typical, well known double standard of the Leftist snowflakes. When they 'protest' it is always justified no matter how violent or ridiculous their protest is.
However, when anyone dares to protest the protesters, they are automatically totally out-of-line and, of course, racist (what isn't racist these days?). Disagreement with anything or anyone on the Left is automatically deemed to be what they call 'hate'. They say this openly. And if they could, they would gleefully throw people in jail simply for disagreeing with them. They are totalitarians.
Had Trump spoken out in favor of the protests and the Black Lives Kill movement, as Obama did, everything would be fine. But in the closed world of Leftism, nobody is 'allowed' to disagree with anything they do or say. In a way, Trump was only doing the same thing the protesters are doing, but in reverse.
And, as usual, the snowflakes start crying like babies. They cannot comprehend that anything they do may have personal consequences much like 5 year old children.
All Trump said was that these people should be thrown out of the game. Many of the people who are so called, 'protesting', have supported the idea that President Trump should be executed. So the difference in vitriol, the difference in violent rhetoric is not even comparable. The Left has no problem dishing it out, but they can't tolerate even one-tenth of what they routinely dish-out on a daily basis.
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I'm ambivalent on whether or not Trump should have spoken out on this. . . .
All Trump said was . . .
Perhaps if he'd made it clear he was speaking as a private citizen and not as POTUS, I'd feel better about it. It rubs me wrong for government to get involved in a business.
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Perhaps if he'd made it clear he was speaking as a private citizen and not as POTUS, I'd feel better about it. It rubs me wrong for government to get involved in a business.
I'll give you points for that. Trump probably could have mentioned the situation obliquely and simply stated many people should be happy to live in the U.S. making millions for playing a sport without him, Trump, saying that protesting players should be fired. I'm still okay with the overall message.
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Perhaps if he'd made it clear he was speaking as a private citizen and not as POTUS, I'd feel better about it. It rubs me wrong for government to get involved in a business.
@Suppressed
So its wrong for the President of the United States to condemn anti-American behavior?
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President Donald Trump criticizes NFL player protests, says fans should exit stadiums
ESPN, Sep 22, 2017, Kevin Seifert
President Donald Trump criticized NFL players who lodge protests during the pregame national anthem, saying Friday night that he wished those players would be released and encouraging fans who are offended to walk out of stadiums.
Speaking at a political rally in Huntsville, Alabama, Trump said: "Wouldn't you love to see one of these NFL owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say, 'Get that son of a b---- off the field right now. Out. He's fired! He's fired!"
Trump said the protests, which became public last year when then-San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick knelt for the national anthem during a preseason game, are "hurting the game."
Trump didn't mention Kaepernick or any other NFL player specifically during the speech.
Kaepernick opted out of his contract with the 49ers during the offseason. He has not been signed by a new team since then. Several players have continued to protest during the anthem this season.
"The only thing you could do better," Trump said, "is if you see it, even if it's just one player, leave the stadium. I guarantee things will stop. Things will stop. Just pick up and leave. Pick up and leave. Not the same game anymore, anyway."
Read more: http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20788354/president-donald-trump-speaks-nfl-player-protests
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The concept of there being MILLIONS of American voters who don't care for Donald Trump is easy to understand for all of us.
Likewise, the concept of there being MILLION of NFL fans who are sick and damned tired of being sick and damned tired with all this SJW bullsh*t.
President Trump....the plain-speaking POTUS...LOVE IT!
Yup. The President has always had a way of saying what's on everyone's mind. ^-^
@DCPatriot
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And Rodger says
"The NFL and our players are at our best when we help create a sense of unity in our country and our culture. There is no better example than the amazing response from our clubs and players to the terrible natural disasters we've experienced over the last month. Divisive comments like these demonstrate an unfortunate lack of respect for the NFL, our great game and all of our players, and a failure to understand the overwhelming force for good our clubs and players represent in our communities."
Why should anyone respect an organization that allows its' employees to diss
the flag, the country and the vets during working hours?
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Yup. The President has always had a way of saying what's on everyone's mind. ^-^
@DCPatriot
:bigsilly:
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:bigsilly:
So you like the disrespect?
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@Suppressed
So its wrong for the President of the United States to condemn anti-American behavior?
@driftdiver
I didn't say that.
That's not what he did. In his usual clumsy way, like a guy with a cleaver in a surgical ward, he didn't just condemn the anti-American behavior; he instead pontificated on how a business should run its operations.
I happen to agree with his sentiment. But the point is, that's not the role of POTUS; that's the private citizen campaigning for someone. We have such blurred lines, though.
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@driftdiver
I didn't say that.
That's not what he did. In his usual clumsy way, like a guy with a cleaver in a surgical ward, he didn't just condemn the anti-American behavior; he instead pontificated on how a business should run its operations.
I happen to agree with his sentiment. But the point is, that's not the role of POTUS; that's the private citizen campaigning for someone. We have such blurred lines, though.
@Suppressed
Reactions why yours are an example of why conservatism has been sidelined and powerless.
Screw these anti American bastards and the NFL who is encouraging them.
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NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell: Trump's 'divisive' comments show lack of respect for the NFL
by Daniel Chaitin | Sep 23, 2017, 9:40 AM
NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell rebuked President Trump for calling on NFL players that protest the national anthem to be fired, saying that his comments are "divisive."
"The NFL and our players are at our best when we help create a sense of unity in our country and our culture. There is no better example than the amazing response from our clubs and players to the terrible natural disasters we've experienced over the last month," Goodell said in a statement Saturday morning. "Divisive comments like these demonstrate an unfortunate lack of respect for the NFL, our great game and all of our players, and a failure to understand the overwhelming force for good our clubs and players represent in our communities."
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/nfl-commissioner-roger-goodell-trumps-divisive-comments-show-lack-of-respect-for-the-nfl/article/2635379
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This will be another comment that pushes people away and I mean Goodell's comment.
This is the difference between switching on a game between 2 teams that one might not really like on the Thurs, Sunday or Monday night games or just skipping it altogether.
I'm usually for "free speech" but this is just petulance.
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NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell: Trump's 'divisive' comments show lack of respect for the NFL
by Daniel Chaitin | Sep 23, 2017, 9:40 AM
NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell rebuked President Trump for calling on NFL players that protest the national anthem to be fired, saying that his comments are "divisive."
"The NFL and our players are at our best when we help create a sense of unity in our country and our culture. There is no better example than the amazing response from our clubs and players to the terrible natural disasters we've experienced over the last month," Goodell said in a statement Saturday morning. "Divisive comments like these demonstrate an unfortunate lack of respect for the NFL, our great game and all of our players, and a failure to understand the overwhelming force for good our clubs and players represent in our communities."
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/nfl-commissioner-roger-goodell-trumps-divisive-comments-show-lack-of-respect-for-the-nfl/article/2635379
Did Goodell really criticise Trump for being disrespectful and divisive? Unbelievable.
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@Suppressed
Reactions why yours are an example of why conservatism has been sidelined and powerless.
Screw these anti American bastards and the NFL who is encouraging them.
Powerless? So far, the NFL networks are looking at a $200 million decline in viewership.
The players have a right to protest, and we are exercising our right to not watch. NFL is defecating bricks over the Chargers, and their less than tepid arrival in LA.
The silent majority, i.e. conservatives, are engaged in their own way.
I no longer care what Trump says, we knew this was what we were getting when he was elected. That's why my cable news viewing is 10% of what it has been in the past, and my votes no longer go to Republicans. They all voted for McConnell and Ryan as their leaders, they can rot for all I care.
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The President's duty too is to speak for Americans.
Some people appreciate the raw honesty and for some reason, it has an affect versus, say if Pence or some of the others said this.
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Players have a right to protest. Just not on the field under their NFL employees contracts. That is all.
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These NFL players are in a sense, bullying their audience, turnabout is fair play.
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That so weird for Goodell to say that. Apparently, for some inexplicable reason, the NFL has decided to follow the ESPN model of suicide by self-immolation. Is he so far out of touch that he doesn't realize who is customers are?
Latte sucking Liberals don't watch football. In fact, the opposite. They protest it.
So, who? Who is he trying to appeal to? The players are stupid punks. They are doing it to have fun flipping-off America. And Kaepernick in particular is doing it specifically to flip-off America and his parents (both the ones he knows, and his actual parents). He is just a pissed off abandoned child. And I 'get that' in a way. I understand children and punks acting out. That's what they do. But Goodell is supposed to be the parent.
Trump supporters and 'steak and potatoes' American patriots are the people watching football. So as this thing escalates, who does he expect to be his remaining viewers, a few pissed off angry Black people, and maybe a couple of Liberals who hate America?
I'm talking about the customer base. He's already dealing with a shrinking customer base, and he throws gas on the fire by supporting the very people who are shrinking it. What is he doing?
I can't figure out what is going on with sports these days? Mixing sports with politics, race, anti-America/anti-Police agendas, is insane. It alienates over 90% of people who watch football. Americans who support those things are his primary customer base.
Oh well, sitting out a year won't kill me. Maybe sports will get back to sports in year or two. I don't know. I'm just confused by this whole thing.
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So you like the disrespect?
What disrespect?
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Ok, but it's up to the owners to discipline or fire the players. It's their business and what we think doesn't matter.
I suspect owners are afraid of that "racist" label if they take action against the protesters. Whatever the reason -- it's going to be their loss when people, tired of politics permeating their favorite sport and almost every other form of entertainment, stop going to games or watch on tv.
The owners don't care, they've made their money. It's the newer owners that will suffer.
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What disrespect?
Who's on first?
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Ok, but it's up to the owners to discipline or fire the players. It's their business and what we think doesn't matter.
I suspect owners are afraid of that "racist" label if they take action against the protesters. Whatever the reason -- it's going to be their loss when people, tired of politics permeating their favorite sport and almost every other form of entertainment, stop going to games or watch on tv.
We are their customers. Of course it matters what we think.
Take their special tax exemptions and make an pay for their stadiums.
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Take their special tax exemptions and make an pay for their stadiums.
Yup.
Something to keep in mind the next time some mayor or governor lies about how having a sports team will be of great economic benefit.
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We are their customers. Of course it matters what we think.
Take their special tax exemptions and make an pay for their stadiums.
I wholeheartedly agree with getting rid of the tax exemptions (and other little perks) they get.
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Powerless? So far, the NFL networks are looking at a $200 million decline in viewership.
And why are you assuming it's because of Conservatives staying away?
My 47 year old son is boycotting the NFL, but as a rabid supporter of Colin Kaepernick and his merry band of monkeys...as he thinks he should have been signed already by a team.
50% of the country sides with my son.
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This is an issue between the players, the teams, and the customers (fans). Not for Mr. Federal Government to try to influence.
With that being said, these players are basically actors for their team and the league, each playing a role. Some teams may decide they like this role they are playing and will let them follow the script. Other teams may decide that they are going off script, like a TV actor refusing to say his lines, and there could be consequences.
But this is all a big show. Bread and circuses. It is to get people on all sides riled up and at each other's throats.
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That so weird for Goodell to say that. Apparently, for some inexplicable reason, the NFL has decided to follow the ESPN model of suicide by self-immolation. Is he so far out of touch that he doesn't realize who is customers are?
Trump supporters and 'steak and potatoes' American patriots are the people watching football. So as this thing escalates, who does he expect to be his remaining viewers, a few pissed off angry Black people, and maybe a couple of Liberals who hate America?
I'm talking about the customer base. He's already dealing with a shrinking customer base, and he throws gas on the fire by supporting the very people who are shrinking it. What is he doing?
I can't figure out what is going on with sports these days? Mixing sports with politics, race, anti-America/anti-Police agendas, is insane. It alienates over 90% of people who watch football. Americans who support those things are his primary customer base.
Oh well, sitting out a year won't kill me. Maybe sports will get back to sports in year or two. I don't know. I'm just confused by this whole thing.
Roger is not a very bright person, but there is always baseball, thoroughbred racing and ice hockey.
Liberals destroy everything they touch and they have their fingers everywhere. Letting the SJW take over the NFL will not end well for the NFL.
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Ok, but it's up to the owners to discipline or fire the players. It's their business and what we think doesn't matter.
I suspect owners are afraid of that "racist" label if they take action against the protesters. Whatever the reason -- it's going to be their loss when people, tired of politics permeating their favorite sport and almost every other form of entertainment, stop going to games or watch on tv.
It is up to the NFL (Roger Goodell) to discipline players for binging BLM politics into football.
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Things are heating up.
Former Democratic Rep. Donna Edwards (D-Md.) tweeted that she hopes all NFL players kneel during the national anthem on Sunday in response to President Trump's remarks attacking Colin Kaepernick.
Edwards, who left Congress earlier this year, called Trump a "white supremacist who squats in our White House" in her tweet.
It is going to be a very interesting Sunday.
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And why are you assuming it's because of Conservatives staying away?
My 47 year old son is boycotting the NFL, but as a rabid supporter of Colin Kaepernick and his merry band of monkeys...as he thinks he should have been signed already by a team.
50% of the country sides with my son.
What was it PT Barnum said?
I doubt most have any idea what's going on they just follow the heard. That s why it's so important to be vocal against the nfl.
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It is up to the NFL (Roger Goodell) to discipline players for binging BLM politics into football.
Unless he wants it. It is part of the scripted play he wants to be acted out. He wants heroes and villains. He wants people at each other's throats. he wants controversy to keep the league at the top of social media buzz and headlining the news.
It is all a big scripted play.
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Speaking to a crowd in Huntsville, Alabama, where Trump is campaigning for Luther Strange ahead of the Senate runoff for the Republican primary, Trump insisted the NFL take a stronger stance.
He said this at a campaign rally, anyone who has followed his campaign and rallies he has attended, knows he often talks about the topic du jour. He's a bit like Rush in that he has his own little spiel he goes through, it's kind of like a daily talk show when he does this. Did Obama make candid remarks? Clinton? Bush? I don't find a lot of fault with saying these things.
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Unless he wants it. It is part of the scripted play he wants to be acted out. He wants heroes and villains. He wants people at each other's throats. he wants controversy to keep the league at the top of social media buzz and headlining the news.
It is all a big scripted play.
Well the Dems, unions and "players" are full of outrage now so tomorrow is going to be a big show.
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It is going to be a very interesting Sunday.
Not for me it won't. Whatever happens, I'll catch it on endless articles, and repeated videos on the news. Nope. No longer comfortable going to the stadiums because of incitement to violence by Black Lives Kill and their supporters. The game is now overshadowed by politics. The halftime shows have become completely political for years now.
You can't even talk about sport anymore at work or in a bar. Which teams and players you support or don't support is now used by SJWs to determine whether or not you are a 'white supremacist' (whatever that is?).
When sports talk becomes NSFW, that is my red flag that it is time to leave it alone. They have already sucked all the fun out of it anyway. So, I won't miss it too much.
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NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell: Trump's 'divisive' comments show lack of respect for the NFL
by Daniel Chaitin | Sep 23, 2017, 9:40 AM
NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell rebuked President Trump for calling on NFL players that protest the national anthem to be fired, saying that his comments are "divisive."
"The NFL and our players are at our best when we help create a sense of unity in our country and our culture. There is no better example than the amazing response from our clubs and players to the terrible natural disasters we've experienced over the last month," Goodell said in a statement Saturday morning. "Divisive comments like these demonstrate an unfortunate lack of respect for the NFL, our great game and all of our players, and a failure to understand the overwhelming force for good our clubs and players represent in our communities."
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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/nfl-commissioner-roger-goodell-trumps-divisive-comments-show-lack-of-respect-for-the-nfl/article/2635379
Eff Roger Goodell. This American voter, consumer, former football fan, veteran ALREADY lost resect for his Negro Football League and the disrespect they show to my country by their actions (players, management alike)
Once again, Eff Roger Goodell. The TV is OFF at my house.
Thanks President Trump for expressing my views. Thanks again.
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We are their customers. Of course it matters what we think.
Take their special tax exemptions and make an pay for their stadiums.
No. We WERE their consumers. Not any longer. They must have plans on getting by without us.
I see the stadium attendance figures, are down for the second year. While the economy is in a robust recovery cycle.
Something is going on, and Goodell IS CLEARLY TAKING THE SIDE OF THE NEGRO PLAYERS.
I take the side, of the fans no longer attending the games.
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Eff Roger Goodell. This American voter, consumer, former football fan, veteran ALREADY lost resect for his Negro Football League and the disrespect they show to my country by their actions (players, management alike)
Once again, Eff Roger Goodell. The TV is OFF at my house.
Thanks President Trump for expressing my views. Thanks again.
Bravo! :beer:
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This is an issue between the players, the teams, and the customers (fans). Not for Mr. Federal Government to try to influence.
With that being said, these players are basically actors for their team and the league, each playing a role. Some teams may decide they like this role they are playing and will let them follow the script. Other teams may decide that they are going off script, like a TV actor refusing to say his lines, and there could be consequences.
But this is all a big show. Bread and circuses. It is to get people on all sides riled up and at each other's throats.
So the goal was to get reduced attendance? It appears this show, has a flawed plot.
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So the goal was to get reduced attendance? It appears this show, has a flawed plot.
That's true. Because BLM is not playing. They are all about real violence and real death. It would be crazy foolishness to pit BLM against customers as a show, or a stunt.
I've never heard of a violent riot happening when Hulk Hogan took on Ric Flair, because everybody knew deep down that it was a friendly rivalry. It was just a good time.
But if BLM starts rioting at stadiums, which I suspect is the next step, people will get hurt and even killed. Nothing is 'friendly' with BLM.
If somebody is ginning this thing up like a pro-wrestling stunt, that guy should be arrested the first time someone winds up in the hospital over this nonsense.
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While I agree with the sentiment, the way it was expressed is no different than Trump standing on the debate stage, telling the world about the size of his junk. He's classless and unsuited for the presidency, but we knew that.
But who cares? As long as Trump is trolling his fans are happy.
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Things are heating up.
Former Democratic Rep. Donna Edwards (D-Md.) tweeted that she hopes all NFL players kneel during the national anthem on Sunday in response to President Trump's remarks attacking Colin Kaepernick.
Edwards, who left Congress earlier this year, called Trump a "white supremacist who squats in our White House" in her tweet.
It is going to be a very interesting Sunday.
@josb
Yep, woo-boo, another show to get all excited about and hoot and clap like seals.
Meanwhile, wall, Obamacare, Planned Parenthood...
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While I agree with the sentiment, the way it was expressed is no different than Trump standing on the debate stage, telling the world about the size of his junk. He's classless and unsuited for the presidency, but we knew that.
But who cares? As long as Trump is trolling his fans are happy.
Or Fred Cruz saying "we don't have a shortage of rubber", but who cares, as long as Cruz is trolling, his fans are happy.
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@josb
Yep, woo-boo, another show to get all excited about and hoot and clap like seals.
Meanwhile, wall, Obamacare, Planned Parenthood...
@CatherineofAragon
I'm thinking almost open warfare at football stadiums. Dems are engaged, SJWs are engaged, unions are engaged, NFL players are engaged, Trump is engaged and most of us have had it with the dissing of the flag, country and vets/cops. You can try to make this a "Trump thing" but it's really not. Trump just said what a lot of us are thinking.
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@josb
Yep, woo-boo, another show to get all excited about and hoot and clap like seals.
Meanwhile, wall, Obamacare, Planned Parenthood...
@CatherineofAragon
Yep enjoy clapping your flippers at your football game as you further enrich those who hate America.
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Or Fred Cruz saying "we don't have a shortage of rubber", but who cares, as long as Cruz is trolling, his fans are happy.
@TomSea
I don't even know what the hell you're babbling about, but I'll remind you of it next week when you veer crazily into Cruz admiration for a brief moment.
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@CatherineofAragon
I'm thinking almost open warfare at football stadiums. Dems are engaged, SJWs are engaged, unions are engaged, NFL players are engaged, Trump is engaged and most of us have had it with the dissing of the flag, country and vets/cops. You can try to make this a "Trump thing" but it's really not. Trump just said what a lot of us are thinking.
@jpsb
Open warfare at stadiums. Okay.
Trump is the president and is supposed to behave just a little differently than the average dude on the street. So yeah, it is a Trump thing.
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@CatherineofAragon
Yep enjoy clapping your flippers at your football game as you further enrich those who hate America.
@driftdiver
I'll continue to do so while watching whatever else I like. Sit in the corner by a kerosene lamp and knit if you want.
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Thinking about who actually suffers out of all of this?
The players as they will lose their source of income. and 70% of them are black. https://football.realgm.com/wiretap/37130/Blacks-Represent-70-Percent-Of-NFL-Players-Fan-Base-83-Percent-White
Owners are rich enough to engage in other endeavours.
Viewers will turn the channel to something else they enjoy. Fans are 83% white.
Blacks are the losers.
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Thinking about who actually suffers out of all of this?
The players as they will lose their source of income. and 70% of them are black. https://football.realgm.com/wiretap/37130/Blacks-Represent-70-Percent-Of-NFL-Players-Fan-Base-83-Percent-White
Owners are rich enough to engage in other endeavours.
Viewers will turn the channel to something else they enjoy. Fans are 83% white.
Blacks are the losers.
@IsailedawayfromFR
The rest of us won't benefit, either, since Trump is just throwing out a little red meat to distract from his immigration betrayal.
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@IsailedawayfromFR
The rest of us won't benefit, either, since Trump is just throwing out a little red meat to distract from his immigration betrayal.
Oh, I don't know about not getting a benefit.
Need to spend more time with the grandkids, save some money on NFL programming, certainly no more football attendance, etc., etc.
I get lots of benefits, maybe not you.
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The rest of us won't benefit, either, since Trump is just throwing out a little red meat to distract from his immigration betrayal.
@CatherineofAragon
You don't say!
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Oh, I don't know about not getting a benefit.
Need to spend more time with the grandkids, save some money on NFL programming, certainly no more football attendance, etc., etc.
I get lots of benefits, maybe not you.
You don't understand what I'm talking about.
Like I said, he's doing this to distract. People eat it up, he gets away with screwing us on immigration.
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@TomSea Ted didn't play Football, he opted for basketball instead.
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Hey, @CatherineofAragon congrats on 10,000 posts (which you seem to be stuck at), and not getting banned!
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No. We WERE their consumers. Not any longer. They must have plans on getting by without us.
I see the stadium attendance figures, are down for the second year. While the economy is in a robust recovery cycle.
Something is going on, and Goodell IS CLEARLY TAKING THE SIDE OF THE NEGRO PLAYERS.
I take the side, of the fans no longer attending the games.
Well, things have *DEFINITELY* changed in the 5 years I was gone.
Goodbye.
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@TomSea Ted didn't play Football, he opted for basketball instead.
(http://www.pe-sports.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Cruz_tweet.0.jpg)
Hey, @CatherineofAragon congrats on 10,000 posts (which you seem to be stuck at), and not getting banned!
@corbe
Never say never, lol. Maybe the stuck number is telling me something?
That pic is killing me. :silly:
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ts and I are about the same age and we were brought up using the word Negro as acceptable...please enlighten me as to what we are to use nowadays so we do not offend.
I just googled UNCF: United Negro College Fund and it is still using that term in their name.
ts meant no harm in using Negro in his comment....so lighten up
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@TomSea Ted didn't play Football, he opted for basketball instead.
(http://www.pe-sports.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Cruz_tweet.0.jpg)
Hey, @CatherineofAragon congrats on 10,000 posts (which you seem to be stuck at), and not getting banned!
@corbe
Nobody said he did play football; but if you are his appointed defender, would we know who Ted Cruz is without the Republican party?
Something you seem to criticize frequently and may have even said you left long ago.
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@IsailedawayfromFR
The rest of us won't benefit, either, since Trump is just throwing out a little red meat to distract from his immigration betrayal.
@CatherineofAragon
Not a betrayal from what I see. Someone has to work with what they have, nothing has been finalized yet.
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@TomSea
I don't even know what the hell you're babbling about, but I'll remind you of it next week when you veer crazily into Cruz admiration for a brief moment.
You are just jealous. Let's see, since 1993, we have had 16 years of Democrat control, 8 years of Republican control; and now, we got an upset win with the Republicans in power. I will take that.
I will even take what Michael Reagan said, he said Trump isn't conservative but he's given us a Conservative Supreme Court for the next 10 years and Reagan was happy with that. I'll take what Reagan said even if I don't necessarily agree with that.
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@driftdiver
I'll continue to do so while watching whatever else I like. Sit in the corner by a kerosene lamp and knit if you want.
@CatherineofAragon
I'll leave the knitting and sandwhich making to you.
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ts and I are about the same age and we were brought up using the word Negro as acceptable...please enlighten me as to what we are to use nowadays so we do not offend.
I just googled UNCF: United Negro College Fund and it is still using that term in their name.
ts meant no harm in using Negro in his comment....so lighten up
It’s amazing how many of us have been subtly influenced by political correctness without even thinking. Such is the tyranny of the political left.
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You are just jealous.
@TomSea
Doubtless.
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@CatherineofAragon
I'll leave the knitting and sandwhich making to you.
@driftdiver
Original.
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@CatherineofAragon
So blinded by hate that you are agreeing with the leftists. How's that feel?
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@CatherineofAragon
So blinded by hate that you are agreeing with the leftists. How's that feel?
@driftdiver, leftists throw accusations of "hate" around to try and shut people up. That's what you're doing. (Won't work).
Interesting 180 Trump did there, don't you think?
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@driftdiver, leftists throw accusations of "hate" around to try and shut people up. That's what you're doing. (Won't work).
Interesting 180 Trump did there, don't you think?
@CatherineofAragon
The leftists abuse the word but they didn't invent it.
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@CatherineofAragon
The leftists abuse the word but they didn't invent it.
@driftdiver
I'll try again. Your opinion of Trump's 180?
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@driftdiver
I'll try again. Your opinion of Trump's 180?
@CatherineofAragon
I have no idea what you are asking. I never liked him even before he ran. But I find the constant negativity to be boring and quite non productive. He's done far more good then I expected and I'm still damn glad Hillary isn't our president.
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I couldn't care less about football.
But I think Mr. Trump said it plainly.
And... correctly.
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You don't understand what I'm talking about.
Like I said, he's doing this to distract. People eat it up, he gets away with screwing us on immigration.
Ok, I am remiss at simply reading the words you wrote.
And how do you know this is just distraction.
Could it be what he is saying is actually what Americans support?
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Ok, I am remiss at simply reading the words you wrote.
And how do you know this is just distraction.
Could it be what he is saying is actually what Americans support?
@IsailedawayfromFR
One thing Trump knows is how to read an audience.
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In contrast, 2017 baseball attendance is essentially the same as 2016 (teams are averaging 228 less in attendance per game).
Haven't heard of anyone in MLB taking a knee
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In contrast, 2017 baseball attendance is essentially the same as 2016 (teams are averaging 228 less in attendance per game).
Haven't heard of anyone in MLB taking a knee
Is this a correlation perhaps?
In 2017, 75 percent of the NBA and 64 percent of the NFL players are black, but only 7.7 percent of MLB players are black.
https://www.usnews.com/opinion/op-ed/articles/2017-07-10/3-reasons-for-the-declining-percentage-of-black-baseball-players-in-the-mlb
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In contrast, 2017 baseball attendance is essentially the same as 2016 (teams are averaging 228 less in attendance per game).
Haven't heard of anyone in MLB taking a knee
Some guy on the A's did it last night.
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Imperator_Rex @Imperator_Rex3 1h1 hour ago
Trump using NFL as a shiny object to distract the MSM & his rivals - a sign that something BIG is happening. Pay attention folks!
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This is where I wish Trump would shut up and mind his own business.
I know we agree on many things here. But we are totally opposite on this one.
The flag, the anthem, and it's respect it core to our principles of supporting the military. Think of the millions of those in the military who have died protecting that right for the past 241 years.
These pukes disrespecting our anthem and flag are disrespecting the military too.
IF they want to protest their asinine social justice crap, try a different venue.
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ts and I are about the same age and we were brought up using the word Negro as acceptable...please enlighten me as to what we are to use nowadays so we do not offend.
I just googled UNCF: United Negro College Fund and it is still using that term in their name.
ts meant no harm in using Negro in his comment....so lighten up
Kind of like the CP in NAACP. IN the '60's that was the proper term.
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Ocean of difference between a 90 year old NFL team name, and an entire faction of players using their stature as players to further a left wing political agenda.
You know I am a huge Trump critic, but he is right on this one.
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I know we agree on many things here. But we are totally opposite on this one.
The flag, the anthem, and it's respect it core to our principles of supporting the military. Think of the millions of those in the military who have died protecting that right for the past 241 years.
These pukes disrespecting our anthem and flag are disrespecting the military too.
IF they want to protest their asinine social justice crap, try a different venue.
Protesting the national anthem or flag is protesting America. The bad as well as all the good. Find another way to protest. This is anti American and anyone supporting it can suck eggs.
This might be good as it will force people to take sides. We will know who is our enemy.
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I know we agree on many things here. But we are totally opposite on this one.
The flag, the anthem, and it's respect it core to our principles of supporting the military. Think of the millions of those in the military who have died protecting that right for the past 241 years.
These pukes disrespecting our anthem and flag are disrespecting the military too.
IF they want to protest their asinine social justice crap, try a different venue.
Do it at the restaurant 'around the corner' from the stadium and/or practice facilities. Be sure NOT to be wearing any Team logo/brand.
NOT ON TEAM PROPERTY! NOT ON THE TEAM'S CLOCK! NOT WHILE WEARING YOUR EMPLOYER'S UNIFORM ON COMPANY TIME!
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Ocean of difference between a 90 year old NFL team name, and an entire faction of players using their stature as players to further a left wing political agenda.
You know I am a huge Trump critic, but he is right on this one.
@catfish1957
I can't agree with you. Trump just wanted an applause line to distract from his immigration mess. He was successful.
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@CatherineofAragon
I have no idea what you are asking. I never liked him even before he ran. But I find the constant negativity to be boring and quite non productive. He's done far more good then I expected and I'm still damn glad Hillary isn't our president.
@driftdiver
I'm pretty sure you know what I'm asking, but never mind.
It's been almost a year since the election. "Glad he's not Hillary" is our side's "Bush's fault"; it's irrelevant.
Is your only standard that Trump not be someone else? Really?
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Ok, I am remiss at simply reading the words you wrote.
And how do you know this is just distraction.
Could it be what he is saying is actually what Americans support?
@IsailedawayfromFR
No doubt it echoes what Americans think, including me, which I said in my first post on the thread.
I don't need my president to parrot everything I think about issues that really don't matter in the scheme of things.
I know it's a distraction because every time he screws something up he goes to Twitter to get his base into a rah-rah mood. You said it yourself, he knows how to read an audience. And Trump said in one of his books that he knows how to tell people just what they want to hear.
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@IsailedawayfromFR
No doubt it echoes what Americans think, including me, which I said in my first post on the thread.
I don't need my president to parrot everything I think about issues that really don't matter in the scheme of things.
I know it's a distraction because every time he screws something up he goes to Twitter to get his base into a rah-rah mood. You said it yourself, he knows how to read an audience. And Trump said in one of his books that he knows how to tell people just what they want to hear.
So issues do not matter like respect for this country?
You are a weird person.
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If more people would fund their retirement plans instead of paying thugs to chase a ball around, we would all be a lot better off.
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I can't imagine going through life without guiding principles.
He just bumbles from one thing to another.
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@catfish1957
I can't agree with you. Trump just wanted an applause line to distract from his immigration mess. He was successful.
This from the person that says she will be the first to give Trump credit when he is right.
President Trump was standing up for America and American values, but you are too blinded by your hatred of Trump to see that. Hate is not good for you, you should do something about that.
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So issues do not matter like respect for this country?
You are a weird person.
I don’t think she is. She appears to be NeverTrump, and that is her privilege. I don’t happen to agree she should use that to ignore the essential message: that America is racist for electing Pes. Trump. That is wrong and we should all take a stand against that.
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So issues do not matter like respect for this country?
You are a weird person.
As Trump himself pointed out, it's not the job of the POTUS to direct how a business should be run. That's Obama-like.
Criticize anti-American behavior, but don't just use it as red meat to distract fron failings. (I understand it was Obama-style campaigning.)
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In contrast, 2017 baseball attendance is essentially the same as 2016 (teams are averaging 228 less in attendance per game).
Haven't heard of anyone in MLB taking a knee
Catcher for the Oakland A's became the first one this weekend.
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Do it at the restaurant 'around the corner' from the stadium and/or practice facilities. Be sure NOT to be wearing any Team logo/brand.
NOT ON TEAM PROPERTY! NOT ON THE TEAM'S CLOCK! NOT WHILE WEARING YOUR EMPLOYER'S UNIFORM ON COMPANY TIME!
QFT
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Do it at the restaurant 'around the corner' from the stadium and/or practice facilities. Be sure NOT to be wearing any Team logo/brand.
NOT ON TEAM PROPERTY! NOT ON THE TEAM'S CLOCK! NOT WHILE WEARING YOUR EMPLOYER'S UNIFORM ON COMPANY TIME!
That's how I'd run my team, but evidently some folks have chosen differently. Who is the Federal government to tell them? If the business owner chooses to allow protests on company time, that's his business.
I don't like it, and I'm no longer watching nor buying licensed products. But it's their decision.
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So issues do not matter like respect for this country?
You are a weird person.
@IsailedawayfromFR
Right, I'm weird for wanting the focus to be on repealing Obamacare, building the new "transparent" wall, defunding Planned Parenthood, etc., instead of a bunch of jerk football players.
Like you said, Trump knows his audience.
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I don’t think she is. She appears to be NeverTrump, and that is her privilege. I don’t happen to agree she should use that to ignore the essential message: that America is racist for electing Pes. Trump. That is wrong and we should all take a stand against that.
@aligncare
Go with what you think I "appear" to be rather than what I've stated I am, and what my posts have shown. It's more convenient for your argument.
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That's how I'd run my team, but evidently some folks have chosen differently. Who is the Federal government to tell them? If the business owner chooses to allow protests on company time, that's his business.
I don't like it, and I'm no longer watching nor buying licensed products. But it's their decision.
No ones talking about government intervention, we are talking about player contracts. There are provisions therein that prohibit just this sort of thing.
Owners have the option to clamp down. But, will they? Or, are they cowed by political correctness and fear.
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@aligncare
Go with what you think I "appear" to be rather than what I've stated I am, and what my posts have shown. It's more convenient for your argument.
Yeah, right. Pull the other one.
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I don’t think she is. She appears to be NeverTrump, and that is her privilege. I don’t happen to agree she should use that to ignore the essential message: that America is racist for electing Pes. Trump. That is wrong and we should all take a stand against that.
There you go again.
These protests started LAST YEAR, before Trump was even elected.
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No ones talking about government intervention...
We have yapping from the bully pulpit this morning.
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I started out criticizing trump but this shit is obnoxious. bleep the NFL.
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If more people would fund their retirement plans instead of paying thugs to chase a ball around, we would all be a lot better off.
I'd like to nominate that for Post of the Week :beer:
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@dfwgator
I've heard people from the UK find it odd that the US always plays the National Anthem, you don't have that at the British soccer/football matches in general I'd think, just in the International matches. I don't know if that is true. I don't know if they do that in Germany, Spain, Italy, etc. Poland, Russia.
Now, it's getting attention. That's almost too bad, they don't show the national anthem in general in just a normal NFL game in tv coverage.
They always seem to show that in the NHL though, I can usually remember it. Hopefully, they don't go down this road.
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Do it at the restaurant 'around the corner' from the stadium and/or practice facilities. Be sure NOT to be wearing any Team logo/brand.
NOT ON TEAM PROPERTY! NOT ON THE TEAM'S CLOCK! NOT WHILE WEARING YOUR EMPLOYER'S UNIFORM ON COMPANY TIME!
Yep, and sadly we have become a country that has raised its children to worship athletes and entertainers, and they see this message day in day out.
A whole new generation of institutional left wingers have been created right under our noses.
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Yeah, right. Pull the other one.
@aligncare
Just like I said, lol. The ration of positive to negative posts has to suit your standards, or "Never Trump!"
Doesn't make a damn to me. I'll continue to praise him when deserved and criticize when warranted because it's the right thing to do, not because I'm waiting for your approval.
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@dfwgator
I've heard people from the UK find it odd that the US always plays the National Anthem, you don't have that at the British soccer/football matches in general I'd think, just in the International matches. I don't know if that is true. I don't know if they do that in Germany, Spain, Italy, etc. Poland, Russia.
Now, it's getting attention. That's almost too bad, they don't show the national anthem in general in just a normal NFL game in tv coverage.
They always seem to show that in the NHL though, I can usually remember it. Hopefully, they don't go down this road.
Sports fandom in Europe is far different than in the U.S., and not always for the better.
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This is where I wish Trump would shut up and mind his own business.
Trump just made the childish protest by a few into a GD political circus affecting every NFL player.
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@IsailedawayfromFR
Right, I'm weird for wanting the focus to be on repealing Obamacare, building the new "transparent" wall, defunding Planned Parenthood, etc., instead of a bunch of jerk football players.
Like you said, Trump knows his audience.
If you do not reject the disrespect of this country, you are weird, unpatriotic, and symptomatic of the problem in education that civics is not longer taught and learned.
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If you do not reject the disrespect of this country, you are weird, unpatriotic, and symptomatic of the problem in education that civics is not longer taught and learned.
@IsailedawayfromFR
What makes you think I don't?
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Sports fandom in Europe is far different than in the U.S., and not always for the better.
The most rabid fan in the Cleveland Browns "Dog Pound" or spiked shoulder pads wearing Raiders Fan has nothing in a group of English soccer hooligans.
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@IsailedawayfromFR
What makes you think I don't?
Uhhhhhh.......your ###king avatar? :laugh:
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I started out criticizing trump but this shit is obnoxious. bleep the NFL.
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Uhhhhhh.......your ###king avatar? :laugh:
@DCPatriot
Lol *smack*
He's a cupcake
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@DCPatriot
Lol *smack*
He's a cupcake
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@IsailedawayfromFR
What makes you think I don't?
Your own disdain for arguing against the criticism of people who disrespect this country.
You must not read what you type, Weird Al.
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Trump is still upset cause the NFL told him to pound sand twice.
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The story of Trump buying into the USFL back then, hoping to get bought out by the NFL is so typical of his deals, bordering on hysteria, a lot of people lost their shirts in that CF, including him. He's still pizzed at the NFL.
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The most rabid fan in the Cleveland Browns "Dog Pound" or spiked shoulder pads wearing Raiders Fan has nothing in a group of English soccer hooligans.
No one likes us
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We don't care
We are Millwall
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We are Millwall
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The story of Trump buying into the USFL back then, hoping to get bought out by the NFL is so typical of his deals, bordering on hysteria, a lot of people lost their shirts in that CF, including him. He's still pizzed at the NFL.
He also tried to buy the Buffalo Bills and someone else had a higher bid.
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I started out criticizing trump but this shit is obnoxious. bleep the NFL.
Regardless of what Trump does, this whole thing has become useful, for people to wake up and see how much the Left has infiltrated the media and entertainment (yes, sports is entertainment) industries, and it is time to say, "Enough", we aren't buying your crap anymore, there is more to life than this, and we are tired to elevating the Court Jesters to the level of the King.
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Fearless Fishrrman prediction:
Mr. Trump is going to win on this one.
His complaint resonates with traditional-minded Americans...
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Fearless Fishrrman prediction:
Mr. Trump is going to win on this one.
His complaint resonates with traditional-minded Americans...
This has been brewing for a long time even before Trump moved into the White House. All it took was a spark, and Trump provided it.
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*wink*
@DCPatriot
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Your own disdain for arguing against the criticism of people who disrespect this country.
You must not read what you type, Weird Al.
@IsailedawayfromFR
No, you didn't read what the first sentence of the first post I made on this thread. So you, in your inability to understand that people can hold two thoughts in their heads at one time, and that we can disagree with both sides on a particular issue, ran with more of this binary choice bull crap. And you were loving every minute of it, because boy, were you feeling self-righteous and superior.
See, I detest those jerks who kneel. (And I'll note that my Carolina Panthers all stood). At the same time, I understand that Trump should have kept his mouth out of it.
But because everything is so stupid right now, all you can see is that anyone who disagrees with you is the enemy.
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Fearless Fishrrman prediction:
Mr. Trump is going to win on this one.
His complaint resonates with traditional-minded Americans...
@Fishrrman
I'm more concerned about immigration, repealing Obamacare, defunding Planned Parenthood, etc. than with "Mr. Trump" winning.
And I guess the party of small government better figure out if it's okay with politicians telling private companies who to fire.
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I'm with trump on this. If I am, then a lot more people will be too.
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......June 14, 1943
West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_State_Board_of_Education_v._Barnette (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_State_Board_of_Education_v._Barnette)
The Court eloquently stated: "If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein." To underscore its decision, the Supreme Court announced it on Flag Day.
Justice Robert Jackson:
"The very purpose of a Bill of Rights was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts. One's right to life, liberty, and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections."
Hugo Black and William O. Douglas:
"Words uttered under coercion are proof of loyalty to nothing but self-interest," wrote Black and Douglas in a concurring opinion.
"Love of country must spring from willing hearts and free minds, inspired by a fair administration of wise laws enacted by the people's elected representatives within the bounds of express constitutional prohibitions."
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I'm more concerned about immigration, repealing Obamacare, defunding Planned Parenthood, etc. than with "Mr. Trump" winning.
@CatherineofAragon
Trump will win; the US loses.
What was a small, limited protest has been energized by his involvement.
Go to websites where younger Americans predominate, and the balance has swung from mocking the protesters to supporting them. To make Briefers aware of what the next line will be, I note that they're posting lots of things from veterans saying they fought for peoples' right to protest like this, and that the anti-protesters are the anti-Americans. We'll see them try to turn this from "disrespect" to "respect".
Time to prepare your counter-arguments for when you do battle.
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......June 14, 1943
West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_State_Board_of_Education_v._Barnette (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia_State_Board_of_Education_v._Barnette)
The Court eloquently stated: "If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein." To underscore its decision, the Supreme Court announced it on Flag Day.
Justice Robert Jackson:
"The very purpose of a Bill of Rights was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts. One's right to life, liberty, and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections."
Hugo Black and William O. Douglas:
"Words uttered under coercion are proof of loyalty to nothing but self-interest," wrote Black and Douglas in a concurring opinion.
"Love of country must spring from willing hearts and free minds, inspired by a fair administration of wise laws enacted by the people's elected representatives within the bounds of express constitutional prohibitions."
That is excellent. Thank you. Love of country must spring for willing hearts and free minds or it is worthless. The same can be said of religion or many other things. That said, I think it is equally fair for fans to disrespect their disrespect. I just think it is unwise of Trump to comment.
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@CatherineofAragon
Trump will win; the US loses.
What was a small, limited protest has been energized by his involvement.
Go to websites where younger Americans predominate, and the balance has swung from mocking the protesters to supporting them. To make Briefers aware of what the next line will be, I note that they're posting lots of things from veterans saying they fought for peoples' right to protest like this, and that the anti-protesters are the anti-Americans. We'll see them try to turn this from "disrespect" to "respect".
Time to prepare your counter-arguments for when you do battle.
I think you're strongly misreading the situation. I think trump will gain for this. I think ordinary Americans are enraged at these millionaire scumbags.
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... That said, I think it is equally fair for fans to disrespect their disrespect. I just think it is unwise of Trump to comment.
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Richard Sherman before the game. Guy seems alright.
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I'm with trump on this. If I am, then a lot more people will be too.
*****rollingeyes*****
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@CatherineofAragon
Trump will win; the US loses.
What was a small, limited protest has been energized by his involvement.
Go to websites where younger Americans predominate, and the balance has swung from mocking the protesters to supporting them. To make Briefers aware of what the next line will be, I note that they're posting lots of things from veterans saying they fought for peoples' right to protest like this, and that the anti-protesters are the anti-Americans. We'll see them try to turn this from "disrespect" to "respect".
Time to prepare your counter-arguments for when you do battle.
@Suppressed
Nobody cares. The fun is in the screaming.
Meanwhile, Trump's backtrack on immigration is exactly where he wanted it to be---out of the news and out of people's minds.
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@Suppressed
Nobody cares. The fun is in the screaming.
Meanwhile, Trump's backtrack on immigration is exactly where he wanted it to be---out of the news and out of people's minds.
Last time I checked yelling and screaming is not a conservative value.
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Last time I checked yelling and screaming is not a conservative value.
@kevindavis
You wouldn't think.
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@IsailedawayfromFR
No, you didn't read what the first sentence of the first post I made on this thread. So you, in your inability to understand that people can hold two thoughts in their heads at one time, and that we can disagree with both sides on a particular issue, ran with more of this binary choice bull crap. And you were loving every minute of it, because boy, were you feeling self-righteous and superior.
See, I detest those jerks who kneel. (And I'll note that my Carolina Panthers all stood). At the same time, I understand that Trump should have kept his mouth out of it.
But because everything is so stupid right now, all you can see is that anyone who disagrees with you is the enemy.
You appear to be so blinded by hate, you cannot see a part of America that one rarely sees anymore - patriotism - as you weave your way to view sinister plots everywhere you look.
As I said, that is weird.
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You appear to be so blinded by hate, you cannot see a part of America that one rarely sees anymore - patriotism - as you weave your way to view sinister plots everywhere you look.
As I said, that is weird.
@IsailedawayfromFR
See what I'm saying? You completely ignored everything I posted to you as if it weren't there because you've got a groove going with that rant. You're having too much fun cruising on your outrage, and your simple-minded Free Republic/Alex Jones desire to see anyone who disagrees with you, especially about Trump, as the enemy. Everything is binary, and if you dislike Side A, you must find Side B blameless, or the screeching starts.
It's pathetically stupid.
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@IsailedawayfromFR
See what I'm saying? You completely ignored everything I posted to you as if it weren't there because you've got a groove going with that rant. You're having too much fun cruising on your outrage, and your simple-minded Free Republic/Alex Jones desire to see anyone who disagrees with you, especially about Trump, as the enemy. Everything is binary, and if you dislike Side A, you must find Side B blameless, or the screeching starts.
It's pathetically stupid.
Keep it up, as you do not seem to have many followers on this thread whatsoever.
I choose to defend the honor of this country rather than letting petty and childish dislikes get into the way of seeing the underlying problems we have as a united country.
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@driftdiver
I'm pretty sure you know what I'm asking, but never mind.
It's been almost a year since the election. "Glad he's not Hillary" is our side's "Bush's fault"; it's irrelevant.
Is your only standard that Trump not be someone else? Really?
@CatherineofAragon
I have no idea what you are asking. I thought I was answering what I guess your question was in my last post.
There were only two options in the general election. We got the best of the two. Saying thats the same as "bush's fault" is foolish. There is far more to be gained by being as positive as possible and helping to push Trump in a conservative direction then doing nothing but complaining for the next 3 years and 4 months.
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I guess we're closer to a civil war (or a civil separation) than we think we are. If some Asian-American doctor, who's most likely making hundreds of thousands of dollars annually, thinks he's being oppressed by the white majority, then what hope is there for the country as it is?
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Last time I checked yelling and screaming is not a conservative value.
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(http://americanmilitaryhistorypodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/paul-revere-ride.jpg)
Apples and oranges. Leave it to you to try and compare the two.
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I guess we're closer to a civil (or a civil separation) than we think we are. If some Asian-American doctor, who's most likely making hundreds of thousands of dollars annually, thinks he's being oppressed by the white majority, then what hope is there for the country as it is?
He's too stupid to realize he's part of a group that the BLM and SJW types despise.
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Oh, sure, immigration is a problem with Trump; so say now, people who backed someone who wanted to give legal residency to illegals but can claim, that is not amnesty, unlimited green cards and higher H1B1 quotas.
Obviously, one has to work on things, I'm sure the records of governors, Perry, Walker can be criticized, they have to lead all people.
But conservative checklist Senators do not have to deal with this.
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Freedom of religion, check
2nd amendment rights, check
Stronger effort against terrorism, check.
Yes, their votes really did a lot.
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Trump is saying what a lot of people think in America, but the NFL would generally thumb their noses at the fans, leave a city if they don't build a new stadium, moved beloved teams out of San Diego, St. Louis, Houston, Cleveland and the list goes on.
More power to him, if some 2nd tier talk show host was saying this, it'd be a yawn, the President of the US is saying it and more power to that message.
To me, it seems the concussion issue could easily end the NFL; people like the sport but there are some real issues to consider.
But hey, make arguments that put you on the same side of some pretty liberal people.
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I'm not protesting the NFL specifically because of these pre-game protests. Nor will I alter my behavior just to support Trump.
When it comes to sports, music or movies, I just want to be entertained without someone else shoving their politics down my throat.
There are other venues for politics.
I am not boycotting anything; I'm just losing interest in the NFL almost the same way that I lost interest in David Letterman in the early 90s (when he started becoming political on the air).
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I'm not protesting the NFL specifically because of these pre-game protests.
When it comes to sports, music or movies, I just want to be entertained without someone else shoving their politics down my throat.
Isn't that kind of contradictory? If you don't like having politics shoved down your throat. (neither do I), the only way to confront that is to fight back via the pocketbook. (i.e tickets, boycott sponsors, etc.)
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I guess we're closer to a civil war (or a civil separation) than we think we are. If some Asian-American doctor, who's most likely making hundreds of thousands of dollars annually, thinks he's being oppressed by the white majority, then what hope is there for the country as it is?
@goatprairie
If this fool were my doctor I'd fire him, but only after he heard my opinion of how rock-bottom stupid he is.
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Trump is saying what a lot of people think in America, but the NFL would generally thumb their noses at the fans, leave a city if they don't build a new stadium, moved beloved teams out of San Diego, St. Louis, Houston, Cleveland and the list goes on.
More power to him, if some 2nd tier talk show host was saying this, it'd be a yawn, the President of the US is saying it and more power to that message.
To me, it seems the concussion issue could easily end the NFL; people like the sport but there are some real issues to consider.
But hey, make arguments that put you on the same side of some pretty liberal people.
@TomSea
Last time I checked, rabid hatred of Ted Cruz falls neatly into that category.
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Trump is saying what a lot of people think in America, but the NFL would generally thumb their noses at the fans, leave a city if they don't build a new stadium, moved beloved teams out of San Diego, St. Louis, Houston, Cleveland and the list goes on.
More power to him, if some 2nd tier talk show host was saying this, it'd be a yawn, the President of the US is saying it and more power to that message.
To me, it seems the concussion issue could easily end the NFL; people like the sport but there are some real issues to consider.
But hey, make arguments that put you on the same side of some pretty liberal people.
This revolt against "Big Sports" has been brewing for a long time, this was just the straw that broke the camel's back.
Without us, they're nothing!
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If this fool were my doctor I'd fire him, but only after he heard my opinion of how rock-bottom stupid he is.
Agreed. I'd question his mental stability.
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Agreed. I'd question his mental stability.
@mountaineer
Same here. What he's doing makes no sense, and he's willing to alienate his own patients for it.
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@goatprairie
If this fool were my doctor I'd fire him, but only after he heard my opinion of how rock-bottom stupid he is.
Checking out this doctor on the internet, he has a history involving controversial issues including experimenting with fetal tissue.
We'll give Dr. Ghoul a choice: (1) he can walk a mile in a white neighborhood after midnight, unarmed, wearing a gold chain. (2) he can walk a mile down MLK bld in a number of large cities after midnight, unarmed, wearing a gold chain.
We'll see which neighborhood he'd choose.
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Checking out this doctor on the internet, he has a history involving controversial issues including experimenting with fetal tissue.
We'll give Dr. Ghoul a choice: (1) he can walk a mile in a white neighborhood after midnight, unarmed, wearing a gold chain. (2) he can walk a mile down MLK bld in a number of large cities after midnight, unarmed, wearing a gold chain.
We'll see which neighborhood he'd choose.
@goatprairie
Well, I guess what you found out isn't surprising.
From the look of this guy, option #2 would make him cry.
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Trump Praises Dallas Cowboys for Standing During National Anthem: ‘Big Progress Being Made’
BY: David Rutz
September 26, 2017 6:56 am
President Donald Trump praised the Dallas Cowboys on Tuesday for rising for the national anthem before their Monday night game against the Arizona Cardinals.
Since saying Friday that players who don't stand for the national anthem should be fired from their teams, Trump has tweeted repeatedly about the issue, saying the league should require them to stand and demanding they respect the American flag.
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http://freebeacon.com/politics/trump-praises-dallas-cowboys-for-standing-during-national-anthem-big-progress-being-made/ (http://freebeacon.com/politics/trump-praises-dallas-cowboys-for-standing-during-national-anthem-big-progress-being-made/)
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Keep it up, as you do not seem to have many followers on this thread whatsoever.
I choose to defend the honor of this country rather than letting petty and childish dislikes get into the way of seeing the underlying problems we have as a united country.
@IsailedawayfromFR
Lol, wait..."not many followers"...what?
Are you posting to be popular? I don't think of TBR members as followers. I prefer thinking for myself, and I'm pretty sure most here do, as well.
But you go right ahead and cruise on with that outrage. I don't want to get in the way of a fun time.
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@CatherineofAragon
I have no idea what you are asking. I thought I was answering what I guess your question was in my last post.
There were only two options in the general election. We got the best of the two. Saying thats the same as "bush's fault" is foolish. There is far more to be gained by being as positive as possible and helping to push Trump in a conservative direction then doing nothing but complaining for the next 3 years and 4 months.
@driftdiver
That was a year ago. It's in the history books. If you can't bring yourself to criticize politicians, well, that's your thing, but I'll stick with the American tradition of busting them every time they deserve it.
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@IsailedawayfromFR
Lol, wait..."not many followers"...what?
Are you posting to be popular? I don't think of TBR members as followers. I prefer thinking for myself, and I'm pretty sure most here do, as well.
But you go right ahead and cruise on with that outrage. I don't want to get in the way of a fun time.
You certainly do not have to worry about getting many to agree with you as most see right through the rhetoric. Proven on this thread, many times.
So go ahead and think for yourself, and take a knee while you are at it.
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You certainly do not have to worry about getting many to agree with you as most see right through the rhetoric. Proven on this thread, many times.
So go ahead and think for yourself, and take a knee while you are at it.
@IsailedawayfromFR
Harrumph, harrumph
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@driftdiver
That was a year ago. It's in the history books. If you can't bring yourself to criticize politicians, well, that's your thing, but I'll stick with the American tradition of busting them every time they deserve it.
@CatherineofAragon
You must get the last word. You simply cannot allow someone else to, right?
You do nothing but bust Trump, nobody else, just Trump. At least for the last year. Its really quite boring.
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@CatherineofAragon
You must get the last word. You simply cannot allow someone else to, right?
You do nothing but bust Trump, nobody else, just Trump. At least for the last year. Its really quite boring.
@driftdiver
Give me somebody to bust, I'll bust him.
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@driftdiver
Give me somebody to bust, I'll bust him.
@CatherineofAragon
There are many targets out there. You're fixated on one.
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@CatherineofAragon
There are many targets out there. You're fixated on one.
@driftdiver
So you can't suggest one of the many?
Trump is naturally going to get more flack when he screws up--he's the president. I'm not going to post according to the way you think I should, okay? If criticism of Trump is too much for you to take, you can always block me,