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Lindsey Graham: Democrats, GOP Can ‘Come Together’ for Gun Confiscation Law
Breitbart, Mar 9, 2019
Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham (R-SC) says firearm confiscation laws portend a way that Democrats and Republicans can “come together.â€
CNN reported that Graham has long supported red flag laws, which allow a court to issue firearm confiscation orders for individuals deemed a threat to themselves or others.
House Democrats have already passed legislation during this Congress to criminalize private gun sales and extend the instant background check for firearm purchases. They are now pressing for $50 million in annual funding to bring academia into the gun control push.
The Democrats have also been vocal in their support for gun confiscation laws, and this is where Graham believes the left and right can come together.
He told CNN, “I haven’t really looked at the House package, but this is to me the area where we can come together.†Graham has scheduled a March 26 Judiciary Committee hearing on the confiscation orders.
More: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/03/09/lindsey-graham-democrats-gop-can-come-together-for-gun-confiscation-law/ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/03/09/lindsey-graham-democrats-gop-can-come-together-for-gun-confiscation-law/)
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And here I thought " a Red Flag Law" meant you had to use a Chamber Safe Flag when you went to the range.
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I am still nervous about Graham...Don't trust him, Ted Cruz, Rand Paul....
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Would 'Founding Fathers' of a Republic such as the United States of America have 'The Right to Bear Arms...shall not be infringed" if it were written today?
Ask because it is right up there after 'Freedom of Speech' and the Right to Assembly, etc..
I agree some people are in a mental state that suggests they not have access to firearms. But that requires a register. A list.
I'm against any list maintained by a government.
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How's everybody liking Gramesty 2.0 NOW???
Suckers.
And Tumpy would sign it.
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I agree some people are in a mental state that suggests they not have access to firearms. But that requires a register. A list.
I'm against any list maintained by a government.
No, That requires a decider. and a ruleset without evidence.
I guarantee my ex would have taken my guns away just for spite.
And then, how does one go about getting them back?
A shrink?
ROTFLMAO!!!
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No, That requires a decider. and a ruleset without evidence.
I guarantee my ex would have taken my guns away just for spite.
And then, how does one go about getting them back?
A shrink?
ROTFLMAO!!!
Here's a thought.
They could suddenly declare that anybody who is taking or has taken within the last 5 years, any anxiety prescription, shall not be allowed to own firearms.
That's a healthy percentage of seniors...the most patriotic and Constitution-loving group.
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Here's a thought.
They could suddenly declare that anybody who is taking or has taken within the last 5 years, any anxiety prescription, shall not be allowed to own firearms.
That's a healthy percentage of seniors...the most patriotic and Constitution-loving group.
And how easy is it to hang a vet with a PTSD diagnoses?
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How's everybody liking Gramesty 2.0 NOW???
Suckers.
And Tumpy would sign it.
Let me know when Trump does sign it. Until then you are just full of BS.
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Let me know when Trump does sign it. Until then you are just full of BS.
What's going to happen if he does? Are you going to call Trump out on it?
Graham is a weasel.
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Let me know when Trump does sign it. Until then you are just full of BS.
He's on the record.
And tell me, who was it that signed in the bumpstock ban???
Suckers.
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Once again the 2nd Amendment folks are not making an argument that resonates with half of the nation, including half of Republicans in the Senate. The other side sounds reasonable, even caring. On a good day we sound like throwbacks to the wild, wild West.
The younger generation does not have a lick of understanding when it comes to the 2nd Amendment and why it was included in the Constitution. They know only the Columbines.
Nor do they have any understanding of what has happened after "first they came for your guns, and then your treasure".
Are there no organizations, no historians, no YouTube gurus to show these "kids" the fire they are playing with?
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On a good day we sound like throwbacks to the wild, wild West.
Are there no organizations, no historians, no YouTube gurus to show these "kids" the fire they are playing with?
Sure @Right_in_Virginia ... Those 'throwbacks' you are talking about have been preaching it all along. You know, Conservatives. Maybe if your compatriots were more inclined toward the principles you say you stand for, you would not be so willing to run them over in such a ham-handed fashion, standing in our way.
The organization that SHOULD be leading the way politically is the Republican party. The silence is deafening.
Liberalism is not winning by merit. It has no merit.
It is winning because it has no opposition.
That is why I am no longer Republican.
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Language of the Gun Grabbers.
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Once again the 2nd Amendment folks are not making an argument that resonates with half of the nation, including half of Republicans in the Senate. The other side sounds reasonable, even caring. On a good day we sound like throwbacks to the wild, wild West.
The younger generation does not have a lick of understanding when it comes to the 2nd Amendment and why it was included in the Constitution. They know only the Columbines.
Nor do they have any understanding of what has happened after "first they came for your guns, and then your treasure".
Are there no organizations, no historians, no YouTube gurus to show these "kids" the fire they are playing with?
That was a great post. I don't know the solution but understanding the problem is the first step.
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Once again the 2nd Amendment folks are not making an argument that resonates with half of the nation, including half of Republicans in the Senate. The other side sounds reasonable, even caring. On a good day we sound like throwbacks to the wild, wild West.
The younger generation does not have a lick of understanding when it comes to the 2nd Amendment and why it was included in the Constitution. They know only the Columbines.
Nor do they have any understanding of what has happened after "first they came for your guns, and then your treasure".
Are there no organizations, no historians, no YouTube gurus to show these "kids" the fire they are playing with?
Change the phrase '2A' to illegal immigration, abortion, hell socialism in general and you could say exactly the same thing. Naturally any argument for the traditional sounds anachronistic to the more progressive 50%.
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Sure @Right_in_Virginia ... Those 'throwbacks' you are talking about have been preaching it all along. You know, Conservatives.
It's not working with the younger generations @roamer_1 You need a communications specialist.
This is one instance where one is entitled to beat the messenger.
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Change the phrase '2A' to illegal immigration, abortion, hell socialism in general and you could say exactly the same thing. Naturally any argument for the traditional sounds anachronistic to the more progressive 50%.
It's all about the feewings. The Millennials are so dumbed down about politics they are easy pickings for emotional arguments, and their untrained minds are quick to reject any logical arguments that conflict with the emotional.
Is it worse than historically? I don't know.
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It's not working with the younger generations @roamer_1 You need a communications specialist.
This is one instance where one is entitled to beat the messenger.
No, @Right_in_Virginia , we need a political party that actually tries to engage and defend the principles of Conservatism.
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No, @Right_in_Virginia , we need a political party that actually tries to engage and defend the principles of Conservatism.
We actually agree @roamer_1 . We do need a third party to take over conservative messaging. In the last 30 years conservatives---for all their talking and talking and talking --- have accomplished jack shit bringing new voters into the fold. They've actually lost voters.
We need to start by tagging the principles with a new label.
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And how easy is it to hang a vet with a PTSD diagnoses?
They’ve already alluded to this, a decade ago. Anyone remember the ‘right wing extremist’ report released under the Barack Obama and Janet Napolitano DHS? See page 2 of the document.
(U//FOUO) The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks.
https://fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf
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Change the phrase '2A' to illegal immigration, abortion, hell socialism in general and you could say exactly the same thing. Naturally any argument for the traditional sounds anachronistic to the more progressive 50%.
I agree @skeeter And this is the "challenge" before us. But we've got to at least try. Use Venezuela .... with more than just words. If memory serves, after 911 the Bush administration reached out to Hollywood writers to help come up with potential new attack scenarios. Maybe we need to do the same....(I'd go the Christian filmmaker route happy77) but for help with messaging, history and especially short video clips.
This election may well be the last chance we'll get to grab these kids before they and their worldview become the majority.
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No, @Right_in_Virginia , we need a political party that actually tries to engage and defend the principles of Conservatism.
@roamer_1
And we should start by describing the 2nd Amendment as a fundamental aspect of a free people,instead of calling it "conservative". Right or wrong,the word "conservative" leaves a dirt ring in the ears of most people under 50 because they have been trained to think all their lives that conservatives want slavery and the freedom to murder anyone they want at any time without question.
We need to remind the people that it was the LIBERAL Founding Fathers who thought that individual freedoms were so important that the prime tools necessary to insure a free people could remain free,instead of being disarmed and becoming servants of the government.
Meanwhile,the word "liberal" means you are open-minded,fair,and loving. Which is why I NEVER refer to a leftist as a "liberal". Just because they stole and misuse that word for propaganda reasons doesn't mean I am required to help them sell their lie.
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Did I just read this headline correctly??? :chairbang:
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No, @Right_in_Virginia , we need a political party that actually tries to engage and defend the principles of Conservatism.
Agreed.
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Did I just read this headline correctly??? :chairbang:
Yeah, never forget Linseed's nickname is "McCain's Mini-Me." Every time he does something good, like defending Justice Kavanaugh, he follows it up with another game of Footsie with the Rats.
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@roamer_1
And we should start by describing the 2nd Amendment as a fundamental aspect of a free people,instead of calling it "conservative". Right or wrong,the word "conservative" leaves a dirt ring in the ears of most people under 50 because they have been trained to think all their lives that conservatives want slavery and the freedom to murder anyone they want at any time without question.
We need to remind the people that it was the LIBERAL Founding Fathers who thought that individual freedoms were so important that the prime tools necessary to insure a free people could remain free,instead of being disarmed and becoming servants of the government.
Meanwhile,the word "liberal" means you are open-minded,fair,and loving. Which is why I NEVER refer to a leftist as a "liberal". Just because they stole and misuse that word for propaganda reasons doesn't mean I am required to help them sell their lie.
Even though I agree with you, the GOP/conservatives should have done this, long, long ago. The DEMS have worked very diligently to smear the ideals of conservatives, and have laid out a very different and false idea of what conservatism means. That 'smear' has been entrenched into the minds of our children from the time they hit kindergarten to high school and then onto college. The GOP/conservatives have done very little to change that mindset. Instead, they have tried to lean more to the middle in order to win votes. They've cheapened the GOP brand and it absolutely hasn't work.
The only thing I see to do at this time, is to spend the time and money and get behind the Constitution Party or create a conservative 3rd party taking with them conservatives like Cruz, Lee, Meadows, etc. Unfortunately, I rec'd an e-mail from a group within the Constitution Party that wants to become more in the middle, which is absolutely the worst thing that they could have done. Cheapening the conservative 'brand' does nothing but make them middle of the road and doesn't clearly define who they are and what makes them the best for this country. That obviously hasn't worked.
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I agree @skeeter And this is the "challenge" before us. But we've got to at least try. Use Venezuela .... with more than just words. If memory serves, after 911 the Bush administration reached out to Hollywood writers to help come up with potential new attack scenarios. Maybe we need to do the same....(I'd go the Christian filmmaker route happy77) but for help with messaging, history and especially short video clips.
This election may well be the last chance we'll get to grab these kids before they and their worldview become the majority.
Agree. And @sneakypete is correct, too - we start by ditching the labels. All they do is turn the target audience off before they’ve even heard the argument.
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Agree. And @sneakypete is correct, too - we start by ditching the labels. All they do is turn the target audience off before they’ve even heard the argument.
Trying to accomplish that before the 2020 election is going to be extremely difficult. Beyond that time, I believe it's too late.
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Trying to accomplish that before the 2020 election is going to be extremely difficult. Beyond that time, I believe it's too late.
It will take focus ... but it is very doable and can influence the 2020 election. Jettison the "conservative" label and build on "America First". Our young will come home. happy77
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It will take focus ... but it is very doable and can influence the 2020 election. Jettison the "conservative" label and build on "America First". Our young will come home. happy77
Jettison the label all you want, but if conservative principles are abandoned in the process we could lose more than we gain.
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Jettison the label all you want, but if conservative principles are abandoned in the process we could lose more than we gain.
@Cyber Liberty
You mean like "We are Gawd-Fearing people,and only Gawd-Fearing people can be conservatives!"?
Don't blame the left for flushing the word "conservative" down the toilet and making it into a code word for "neo-Nazi control freak". Blame the Bible-Thumpers.
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@Cyber Liberty
You mean like "We are Gawd-Fearing people,and only Gawd-Fearing people can be conservatives!"?
Don't blame the left for flushing the word "conservative" down the toilet and making it into a code word for "neo-Nazi control freak". Blame the Bible-Thumpers.
Whatever you say....We all know what you think of people who call themselves Christians. What I wrote stands.
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Jettison the label all you want, but if conservative principles are abandoned in the process we could lose more than we gain.
I'm not suggesting an abandonment of conservative principles @Cyber Liberty I'm suggesting we rebrand them. The "conservative" label is toxic in today's politics. Insist on keeping the label and we will lose the principles.
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I'm not suggesting an abandonment of conservative principles @Cyber Liberty I'm suggesting we rebrand them. The "conservative" label is toxic in today's politics. Insist on keeping the label and we will lose the principles.
Then I can agree. :beer:
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It will take focus ... but it is very doable and can influence the 2020 election. Jettison the "conservative" label and build on "America First". Our young will come home. happy77
It may very well be doable as you suggest to rebrand the 'conservative label' to America First ... but who is going to spearhead this change? Who is going to be able to convince the RNC, GOP and RINO idiot Congress to do so?? The idea may be the best idea since sliced bread. Putting the idea into motion and getting it done before 2020 is quite another. Good luck with that.
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It may very well be doable as you suggest to rebrand the 'conservative label' to America First ... but who is going to spearhead this change? Who is going to be able to convince the RNC, GOP and RINO idiot Congress to do so?? The idea may be the best idea since sliced bread. Putting the idea into motion and getting it done before 2020 is quite another. Good luck with that.
@libertybele
We don't need to create the rebranding. President Trump has built that foundation. The voters were drawn to his policies of low taxes, a strong military, American sovereignty, low regulations and individual freedom, the right to life at any stage, the 2nd Amendment, constitutional judges and the true grit of the American spirit. He's added "America will never be a socialist nation" to this list and has gained the attention of ever more voters.
Trump did all this, (with the exception of judges), without advertising these principles as "conservative". And it worked.
The script is written; all "conservatives" need do is embrace it and run with it.
But concurrent with this, we must, must educate the youngest voting bloc about history and economics. Their future depends on it. This is our bigger challenge.
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@roamer_1
And we should start by describing the 2nd Amendment as a fundamental aspect of a free people,instead of calling it "conservative". Right or wrong,the word "conservative" leaves a dirt ring in the ears of most people under 50 because they have been trained to think all their lives that conservatives want slavery and the freedom to murder anyone they want at any time without question.
We need to remind the people that it was the LIBERAL Founding Fathers who thought that individual freedoms were so important that the prime tools necessary to insure a free people could remain free,instead of being disarmed and becoming servants of the government.
Meanwhile,the word "liberal" means you are open-minded,fair,and loving. Which is why I NEVER refer to a leftist as a "liberal". Just because they stole and misuse that word for propaganda reasons doesn't mean I am required to help them sell their lie.
I so agree. Conservatism sounds like a dirty word. I am beginning to dislike it. I would say I am very conservative, as I wanted to be a NUN..when younger. Very pure. More pure than most. Virgin when I married, NEVER felt up, or even allowed kissing on a date. I did not lie. I had to teach myself my the, white lie, to survive. As teenager, when girls asked for my lipstick, I gave them it, as I had it. I hated that because every woman knows, it messes up the slant of your lipstick. Which I hated. When I finally learned to lie and say, 'I didn't have one"..I said a quick prayer, asking God to forgive my lie. Venial sin. I've come a long way baby! My husbands complaint about me was that, I was too wholesome and good. In the mean time, he had many, many affairs on me. NOW, today, I am practical. COMMON SENSE. I can mostly tell, who is a cheater, liar, and a bit goofy. Actually studying human behavior for 30+ years helped too. I can tell very quickly, who a person..IS. Call it a curse. We need PRACTICAL. COMMON SENSE BELIEFS.
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@roamer_1
And we should start by describing the 2nd Amendment as a fundamental aspect of a free people,instead of calling it "conservative". Right or wrong,the word "conservative" leaves a dirt ring in the ears of most people under 50 because they have been trained to think all their lives that conservatives want slavery and the freedom to murder anyone they want at any time without question.
We need to remind the people that it was the LIBERAL Founding Fathers who thought that individual freedoms were so important that the prime tools necessary to insure a free people could remain free,instead of being disarmed and becoming servants of the government.
Meanwhile,the word "liberal" means you are open-minded,fair,and loving. Which is why I NEVER refer to a leftist as a "liberal". Just because they stole and misuse that word for propaganda reasons doesn't mean I am required to help them sell their lie.
Sorry, @sneakypete , I ain't changing the name for the sake of rebranding. Nor am I going to screw with those principles at all, including the protection of the Judeo-Christian Ethic.
Conservatism is Conservatism. It don't need a change nor does it need a hyphen. What it needs is a party that defends it instead of a party that gives it lip-service and then undermines it every way it can.
This ain't tiddly-winks.
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Agree. And @sneakypete is correct, too - we start by ditching the labels. All they do is turn the target audience off before they’ve even heard the argument.
NOPE. Defend the principles. And preach them.
This is the point of departure that splits this board.
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@Cyber Liberty
You mean like "We are Gawd-Fearing people,and only Gawd-Fearing people can be conservatives!"?
Don't blame the left for flushing the word "conservative" down the toilet and making it into a code word for "neo-Nazi control freak". Blame the Bible-Thumpers.
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It will take focus ... but it is very doable and can influence the 2020 election. Jettison the "conservative" label and build on "America First". Our young will come home. happy77
Buullll crap
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Jettison the label all you want, but if conservative principles are abandoned in the process we could lose more than we gain.
To include Conservatives, who are walking away in droves.
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@libertybele
We don't need to create the rebranding. President Trump has built that foundation.
Tumpy is NOT a conservative, nor does he espouse Conservatism, nor anything LIKE Conservatism.
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It will take focus ... but it is very doable and can influence the 2020 election. Jettison the "conservative" label and build on "America First". Our young will come home. happy77
A rose by any other name would smell as sweet. It worked for the "liberals" when they became "progressive." We were all fooled. /sarc
I'm sad to see the ideology of conservatism has lost all meaning of what I used to think it was. I used to think conservatism stood for fiscal responsibility, restricting government encroachment upon our Constitutional freedoms, compassionate concern for the working class, and a strong military.
I don't know how the GOP gets that kind of mind numbed naivete back? President Trump and the GOP have no intention of checking their spending, checking the President's expansionist and soon to be ruled illegal Executive Orders, checking the President's disastrous trade tariffs, or delaying his disastrous foreign policy strategy with Russia, North Korea, and Syria. All of these will have huge repercussions for my children.
But yeah. Call the GOP philosophy something other than conservatism. That horse is dead.
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Tumpy is NOT a conservative, nor does he espouse Conservatism, nor anything LIKE Conservatism.
Sweetie, you're proving my point. The truth is Donald Trump is governing as the most conservative president since Ronald Reagan. And Trump has awakened the American spirit and pride in her heritage in a way that would make Reagan stand and applaud in appreciation---because Trump's hill was steeper to climb thanks to 35 years of intense social changes.
But you can't seem to see any of this because you're focus is entirely on the "c" label. Let it go. The word "conservative" is toxic in politics today. Insist on it and you will forfeit the principles.
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Sweetie, you're proving my point. The truth is Donald Trump is governing as the most conservative president since Ronald Reagan. And Trump has awakened the American spirit and pride in her heritage in a way that would make Reagan stand and applaud in appreciation---because Trump's hill was steeper to climb thanks to 35 years of intense social changes.
But you can't seem to see any of this because you're focus is entirely on the "c" label. Let it go. The word "conservative" is toxic in politics today. Insist on it and you will forfeit the principles.
HOW WOULD YOU KNOW @Right_in_Virginia ? We have already had this conversation, wherein you admitted that you don't even know what Conservatism IS - Yet you feel yourself qualified to arbitrate the quality of Tumpy's supposed 'conservatism'.
No damn sale. **nononono* *****rollingeyes*****
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@libertybele
We don't need to create the rebranding. President Trump has built that foundation. The voters were drawn to his policies of low taxes, a strong military, American sovereignty, low regulations and individual freedom, the right to life at any stage, the 2nd Amendment, constitutional judges and the true grit of the American spirit. He's added "America will never be a socialist nation" to this list and has gained the attention of ever more voters.
Trump did all this, (with the exception of judges), without advertising these principles as "conservative". And it worked.
The script is written; all "conservatives" need do is embrace it and run with it.
But concurrent with this, we must, must educate the youngest voting bloc about history and economics. Their future depends on it. This is our bigger challenge.
"All conservatives need to do is embrace it and run with it". The point I am making is who is going to get those conservatives to embrace it and run with it, all before the 2020 election?? Secondly, there are many RINO's that need to be replaced before we can see a further shift towards conservatism and increasing the conservative voting base. Just not going to happen in time for the next election.
As for the sovereignty of our country, that is what he sold, and what the voters bought, but it's not what's happening right now. We are at a breaking point at the border. The bill that he signed allows states to opt out of a barrier. You cannot secure the border when there are miles of border still wide open.
Yes ... the message got out ... but the promise was unable to be kept. That's not going to bode so well at the voting booth. Secondly a lot of Congress, just plain don't like him. They're not going to take that message and run with it. His saving grace ironically may be people like AOC who are so far to the left that they make Trump look more conservative. That may draw some more GOP votes, but may not be enough.
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Yes ... the message got out ... but the promise was unable to be kept. That's not going to bode so well at the voting booth.
Well, certainly not for the RINOs. happy77
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Well, certainly not for the RINOs. happy77
Then ... the DEM wins. Problem is there aren't conservatives getting nominated to replace the RINO's. That's a huge problem. So in many cases it's a choice between a RINO or a DEM. Why vote?
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HOW WOULD YOU KNOW @Right_in_Virginia ? We have already had this conversation, wherein you admitted that you don't even know what Conservatism IS - Yet you feel yourself qualified to arbitrate the quality of Tumpy's supposed 'conservatism'.
You're either not remembering correctly or deliberately lying here @roamer_1 I admitted no such thing. I've asked repeatedly for your glorious and complete definition of conservatism .... and still await a satisfactory answer.
No damn sale.
Would have welcomed your company, but I can't really say I give a furry rat's behind what you will or will not buy.
Good luck to you. :beer:
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Then ... the DEM wins. Problem is there aren't conservatives getting nominated to replace the RINO's.
Oh, "conservatives" are out there .... just not wearing a big "C" on their lapels. Encourage them and they will stand. happy77
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Oh, "conservatives" are out there .... just not wearing a big "C" on their lapels. Encourage them and they will stand. happy77
They may be out there ... but if we take a look at what happens in the Senate for example; Mitch does his best to control who gets into the Senate. He has been know to throw money from the NRSC towards the incumbents and also to use money to keep conservatives out.
So ... even with all the encouragement, RINO's stay seated. McCain is a prime example.
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You're either not remembering correctly or deliberately lying here @roamer_1 I admitted no such thing. I've asked repeatedly for your glorious and complete definition of conservatism .... and still await a satisfactory answer.
You'd better go back and read it, then. You are the one saying 'But who knows what Conservatism really is anyway', and you are doing it again.
Would have welcomed your company, but I can't really say I give a furry rat's behind what you will or will not buy.
Good luck to you. :beer:
Likewise.
Maybe next time, support Conservatism and we will be on the same side - Because that is the only way that will ever happen.
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@Cyber Liberty
You mean like "We are Gawd-Fearing people,and only Gawd-Fearing people can be conservatives!"?
Don't blame the left for flushing the word "conservative" down the toilet and making it into a code word for "neo-Nazi control freak". Blame the Bible-Thumpers.
Typically, the real neo-Nazi control freaks are on the Left with the rest of the Communists and Socialists (and now, NEW! Improved! With more Muslims!)
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I so agree. Conservatism sounds like a dirty word. I am beginning to dislike it. I would say I am very conservative, as I wanted to be a NUN..when younger. Very pure. More pure than most. Virgin when I married, NEVER felt up, or even allowed kissing on a date. I did not lie. I had to teach myself my the, white lie, to survive. As teenager, when girls asked for my lipstick, I gave them it, as I had it. I hated that because every woman knows, it messes up the slant of your lipstick. Which I hated. When I finally learned to lie and say, 'I didn't have one"..I said a quick prayer, asking God to forgive my lie. Venial sin. I've come a long way baby! My husbands complaint about me was that, I was too wholesome and good. In the mean time, he had many, many affairs on me. NOW, today, I am practical. COMMON SENSE. I can mostly tell, who is a cheater, liar, and a bit goofy. Actually studying human behavior for 30+ years helped too. I can tell very quickly, who a person..IS. Call it a curse. We need PRACTICAL. COMMON SENSE BELIEFS.
You had me right up until the last 4 words. (Not that I have ever used lipstick, even on Halloween).
You see, the Left has been selling their wares as "Common sense" solutions for so long, not much gets my hackles up like the use of that phrase in a political context. It's a trigger.
The word, "practical", as a modifier, means those beliefs are negotiable. Even Worse.
That just isn't going to appeal to folks who run on principles.
Principles are not for sale, they are immutable. It's right or it isn't.
But kids raised on fuzzy logic,, situation ethics, and 'estimating' 2+2 (and getting it wrong if their estimate happens to be 4) are going to have a tough time with that.
Unless you can rebrand the basics as what they are: a simpler, better life.
In today's market that isn't going to be easy.
BTW, some of us predicted the wrecking of the term "conservative" long ago, because so many who claimed to be it were not.
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Once again the 2nd Amendment folks are not making an argument that resonates with half of the nation, including half of Republicans in the Senate. The other side sounds reasonable, even caring. On a good day we sound like throwbacks to the wild, wild West.
The younger generation does not have a lick of understanding when it comes to the 2nd Amendment and why it was included in the Constitution. They know only the Columbines.
Nor do they have any understanding of what has happened after "first they came for your guns, and then your treasure".
Are there no organizations, no historians, no YouTube gurus to show these "kids" the fire they are playing with?
Our local gun group sets up gun booths at all the events they can... to teach...
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And how easy is it to hang a vet with a PTSD diagnoses?
According to DiFi No Vet should have a gun because they've All got PTSD.
There's how the effing "Red Flag" Law hits the ground.
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If we’re going to do all this ‘rebranding’ for 2020, let’s just call it the election of Nationalists v Communists. Won’t that be grand? Maybe we can even have our own Reichstag fire.
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I do @roamer_1 and I did. I was focused on what was being said, not the bow it was wrapped in.
One last time: The label conservative is a political repellant. I don't know why, exactly. But it is what it is. And this is more than a shame because the principles are right. All I want to do is keep the principles and lose the label. Just drop the word from the political lexicon.
In all candor this strategy has worked for our opposition. They've been socialists for years, but cover it under the "progressive" label. And guess what, they're winning the future. Conservatives are bleeding voters. But "America First" and home grown Americanism --- the stuff of conservative principles --- are bringing them back.
There's nothing wrong with fighting hard and fighting smart, Roamer. I want us to do both because the times demand it.
That's it. Movin' on. :patriot:
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I do @roamer_1 and I did. I was focused on what was being said, not the bow it was wrapped in.
Well that's hard to tell, @Right_in_Virginia
Conservatives are bleeding voters. But "America First" and home grown Americanism --- the stuff of conservative principles --- are bringing them back.
No, REPUBLICANS are bleeding voters. And 'America First' is not a conservative ideology. It upholds no principle thing.
There's nothing wrong with fighting hard and fighting smart, Roamer. I want us to do both because the times demand it.
That's the problem, all y'all are doing is wasting precious time doing nothing.
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Typically, the real neo-Nazi control freaks are on the Left with the rest of the Communists and Socialists (and now, NEW! Improved! With more Muslims!)
@Smokin Joe
Christ was the ORIGINAL Communist. Why else do you think Marx and company saw Christianity as their biggest threat to population and mind control? The more modern KGB didn't have squat over the Vatican Courts when it came to slapping people into line and ruling by fear. Their only advantage was in having a LOT more "priests" to "enforce Holy Doctrine",and more immediate punishment.
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Christ was the ORIGINAL Communist.
BWAHAHAHAHA!
Pssst! you need to read the Book. Your ignorance is showing.
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Once again the 2nd Amendment folks are not making an argument that resonates with half of the nation, including half of Republicans in the Senate. The other side sounds reasonable, even caring. On a good day we sound like throwbacks to the wild, wild West.
The younger generation does not have a lick of understanding when it comes to the 2nd Amendment and why it was included in the Constitution. They know only the Columbines.
Nor do they have any understanding of what has happened after "first they came for your guns, and then your treasure".
Are there no organizations, no historians, no YouTube gurus to show these "kids" the fire they are playing with?
Talk about completely out of touch with reality where guns and the 2nd Amendment is concerned. **nononono*
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BWAHAHAHAHA!
Pssst! you need to read the Book. Your ignorance is showing.
@roamer_1 amazing how easily he repeats the leftist trope when it comes to Christ.
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BWAHAHAHAHA!
Pssst! you need to read the Book. Your ignorance is showing.
@roamer_1
That is true for one of us,anyway.
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@roamer_1
That is true for one of us,anyway.
That's right - and I've been reading that book for going on fifty years.
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@roamer_1 amazing how easily he repeats the leftist trope when it comes to Christ.
@txradioguy
What is amazing is that the Christian brainwashing is so thorough that none of you people can see something as obvious as the nose on your face.
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@roamer_1 amazing how easily he repeats the leftist trope when it comes to Christ.
Ain't it though?
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@txradioguy
What is amazing is that the Christian brainwashing is so thorough that none of you people can see something as obvious as the nose on your face.
@sneakypete
I am about as far removed from any 'Christian brainwashing' as anyone can be.
What you have said is neither obvious nor true.
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@txradioguy
What is amazing is that the Christian brainwashing is so thorough that none of you people can see something as obvious as the nose on your face.
Talk about a textbook definition of projection.
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@Smokin Joe
Christ was the ORIGINAL Communist. Why else do you think Marx and company saw Christianity as their biggest threat to population and mind control? The more modern KGB didn't have squat over the Vatican Courts when it came to slapping people into line and ruling by fear. Their only advantage was in having a LOT more "priests" to "enforce Holy Doctrine",and more immediate punishment.
Wow...had to read that twice to make sure you really typed that. I have freedom in Christ buddy....
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@Smokin Joe
Christ was the ORIGINAL Communist. Why else do you think Marx and company saw Christianity as their biggest threat to population and mind control? The more modern KGB didn't have squat over the Vatican Courts when it came to slapping people into line and ruling by fear. Their only advantage was in having a LOT more "priests" to "enforce Holy Doctrine",and more immediate punishment.
Seems someone is always forcing someone else to do something and managing to blame Almighty God for their own sins. Consider He made the first people, set them up with a sweet deal, and only said not to eat off one tree and humans managed to screw that up. They've been screwing it up ever since, and blaming Him for it, one way or the other. If I was Him, I'd be pissed, but I'm only human.
You see, the one thing Marx and company don't give is a free will.
Here you are exercising yours, and, like the rest of your natural Rights, He lets you do that, too. Christ didn't take anything from you, pete, people did. They just blamed Him.
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Wow...had to read that twice to make sure you really typed that. I have freedom in Christ buddy....
@mrpotatohead
Un,huh. Just like the Soviets had under Stalin,and the Chinese had under Mao.
A wise man once noted "None are so blind as those who will not see."
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@mrpotatohead
Un,huh. Just like the Soviets had under Stalin,and the Chinese had under Mao.
A wise man once noted "None are so blind as those who will not see."
He's letting you say what you want, isn't he? Is someone holding a gun to your head? Did your computer go up in smoke? Seen any lightning? Seriously.
Read the last thing you wrote, bro. It's your choice.
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You see, the one the one thing Marx and company don't give is a free will.
Sure they did. If you exercised it,you went to the gulag. If you exercise free will under Christ,you go to hell. Tell me,which do YOU think is the greater punishment? Even Marx knew he couldn't compete with that.
Here you are exercising yours, and, like the rest of your natural Rights, He lets you do that, too.
The man has been dead for 2000+ years. He's not letting me do a damn thing. His followers have sure been condemning me to hell all my life for not being a member of the borg,though.
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@sneakypete
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Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Lindsey Graham (R-SC) says firearm confiscation laws portend a way that Democrats and Republicans can “come together.â€
And just like that...Uber Conservative Lindsey was back to just plain old Goober Lindsey.
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I may regret this but context is helpful.
Most of the Un Christian excesses in history were at the instigations of a huge, power mad bureaucracy know as The Church, not Jesus.
The Vatican propped itself as the Vicar of Christ, and subsumed the role of King of Kings.
Charlemagne, champion of Frankish Christendom, beheaded 4500 of the locals when he brought Chistianity to Saxony as a way to teach them The Way. They had refused to abandoned old Wotan and Donnar.
In the early 13th Century the Albigensis in Frankia became the target. At least 10,000 slaughtered. They were a tiny subset of ascetics. Even married couples practiced chastity. Wanted to be left alone. Wanted to Not get robbed through the Tithing.
Their biggest sin? They had the nerve to point out that nowhere in Scripture was there any mention of a Pope being necessary to individual salvation. Their Catholic neighbors didn't care but the Vatican did.
Part of the rationale for the Crusades was to get Europes Nobles out of warring with each other by giving them a common enemy so the Vatican's Unification pogrom at home could advance.
Look at Pope Alexander VI and his children, Ceasare and Lucretia Borgia.
The Church held a monoploy on Christ, and as with any huge bureaucracy it became a tyrant.
People went along with it because it was Literally All they had to get them through the nights.