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‘F**k the white people!’ BLM activists terrorize diners in Pittsburgh, steal drinks, scream obscenities
September 7, 2020 | Tom Tillison
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With polling showing support for Black Lives Matter tanking faster than television ratings of the LeBron James-led NBA playoffs, activists in the movement marked the Labor Day weekend by terrorizing white people Saturday in Pittsburgh, Pa.
After more than three months of so-called racial injustice protests orchestrated by Black Lives Matter, protesters are falling back on radical civil disobedience in order to draw attention, and for the second time in as many days diners were set upon by the mob.
As seen in the video below, a BLM activist with a bullhorn is screaming at white diners sitting outside a restaurant.
“You are an embarrassment!†he yells.
Another militant walked right up to the table of an elderly white couple and said, “F*ck 12 and the f*ck white people who built the system …!â€
(“12†being a reference to law enforcement.)
more w/video
https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/09/07/fk-the-white-people-blm-activists-terrorize-diners-in-pittsburgh-steal-drinks-scream-obscenities-969201 (https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/09/07/fk-the-white-people-blm-activists-terrorize-diners-in-pittsburgh-steal-drinks-scream-obscenities-969201)
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Serious question:
What do you think would happen if one of those "elderly" diners outside were to reach into her purse and calmly stand up and shoot the POS between the eyes? :2popcorn:
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Serious question:
What do you think would happen if one of those "elderly" diners outside were to reach into her purse and calmly stand up and shoot the POS between the eyes? :2popcorn:
The media would finally have the image they’d been desperately fishing for over the past 4 months.
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Try that at a Montana steak house... Or a Texas one... Need I go on?
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The media would finally have the image they’d been desperately fishing for over the past 4 months.
I disagree.
They want to see the POLICE shoot a protester. They don't want to see a senior citizen reacting to a direct threat inches from her face.
For example...recall that elderly activist who got knocked on his ass in Buffalo, NY about 3 months ago. The media played that for a week.
Same thing holds true for these idiots holding hands, blocking vehicles for advancing on their way.
I would have yelled out the window they had 5 seconds to GTFO of my way or get run over.
I've done it before in my travels taking photos for mortgage lenders for homeowners delinquent in their payments.
If the guy hadn't jumped up and rolled off my hood, I'd have flattened him. I hit the pedal and he flew.
I have a GO-PRO camera to record everything.
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I disagree.
They want to see the POLICE shoot a protester. They don't want to see a senior citizen reacting to a direct threat inches from her face.
For example...recall that elderly activist who got knocked on his ass in Buffalo, NY about 3 months ago. The media played that for a week.
Same thing holds true for these idiots holding hands, blocking vehicles for advancing on their way.
I would have yelled out the window they had 5 seconds to GTFO of my way or get run over.
I've done it before in my travels taking photos for mortgage lenders for homeowners delinquent in their payments.
If the guy hadn't jumped up and rolled off my hood, I'd have flattened him. I hit the pedal and he flew.
I have a GO-PRO camera to record everything.
Oh I’d LOVE to see this psycho knocked on his ass, especially by an old lady.
Shot between the eyes by one, though, would probably not have the desired PR effect.
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Serious question:
What do you think would happen if one of those "elderly" diners outside were to reach into her purse and calmly stand up and shoot the POS between the eyes?
Mr. M and I occasionally go to Pittsburgh to dine. I can assure you, this almost-elderly diner would have had her hand on her 9mm (thanks to concealed carry reciprocity between WV and PA) had these miscreants attempted to disrupt my dinner.
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Mr. M and I occasionally go to Pittsburgh to dine. I can assure you, this almost-elderly diner would have had her hand on her 9mm (thanks to concealed carry reciprocity between WV and PA) had these miscreants attempted to disrupt my dinner.
No problem with having your hand on your 9 and I would absolutely do the same, but using the weapon or threatening to because someone is interrupting your dinner might just be seen as using unnecessary lethal force. Retreating at that point is still an option.
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No problem with having your hand on your 9 and I would absolutely do the same, but using the weapon or threatening to because someone is interrupting your dinner might just be seen as using unnecessary lethal force. Retreating at that point is still an option.
"Retreat", my a$$! :smokin:
There's something called "invading one's personal space"...in a threatening manner. Any lawyer fresh out of law school, worth their salt, would produce countless videos of people being coldcocked without warning to prove this.
As @mountaineer just said... I would have no compunction dropping the POS.
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"Retreat", my a$$! :smokin:
There's something called "invading one's personal space"...in a threatening manner. Any lawyer fresh out of law school, worth their salt, would produce countless videos of people being coldcocked without warning to prove this.
As @mountaineer just said... I would have no compunction dropping the POS.
I hear what you are saying and I do know that under FL law there is no duty to retreat before using deadly force (Stand Your Ground) but - that law continues to be challenged. While I definitely agree with you on this and @mountaineer my concern is the liberal courts defending BLM/Antifa rather than rights under the second amendment -- all I'm saying -- not disputing the right.
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I hear what you are saying and I do know that under FL law there is no duty to retreat before using deadly force (Stand Your Ground) but - that law continues to be challenged. While I definitely agree with you on this and @mountaineer my concern is the liberal courts defending BLM/Antifa rather than rights under the second amendment -- all I'm saying -- not disputing the right.
Any diner who pulls a gun out and shoots a protestor for screaming in their face will be in very deep trouble in any state.
Now if that protestor goes at that person with a table crumber it would be a different matter.
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Anyone who pulls a gun out and shoots a protestor for screaming in their face will be in very deep trouble in any state.
If the screamer is unarmed, you are right, at least here. 'Brandishing' any weapon while screaming can significantly muddy the issue. As it is, unarmed, you'd have to get him to throw the first punch to avoid assault charges... Unless of course the owner or his agent pays you to bounce the guy... Which is a marvelous solution in cases like this. It must be a transaction for emphasis, though a witnessed promissory works., and the transaction must take place reasonably.
So the owner or manager offers a buck to whoever might want to bounce the guy(s)... And as many rednecks as are needed will rise.
Thereafter you are governed by reasonable adherence to bouncing rules. But it is amazing how many times a feller can trip or run into things between the table and the door... And once outside, even the threat of a swing, and all bets are off. Thump em hard till they are done moving. And then call the cops.
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Any diner who pulls a gun out and shoots a protestor for screaming in their face will be in very deep trouble in any state.
Now if that protestor goes at that person with a table crumber it would be a different matter.
Says that the "protester" got right over the table, grabbed their drinks and purposefully spilled them.
IMO, that portester and all like him/her have a death wish.
At my age (74) with my lack of any police record, I'd drop the SOB faster than you could say, "Niagara Falls".
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If the screamer is unarmed, you are right, at least here. 'Brandishing' any weapon while screaming can significantly muddy the issue. As it is, unarmed, you'd have to get him to throw the first punch to avoid assault charges... Unless of course the owner or his agent pays you to bounce the guy... Which is a marvelous solution in cases like this. It must be a transaction for emphasis, though a witnessed promissory works., and the transaction must take place reasonably.
So the owner or manager offers a buck to whoever might want to bounce the guy(s)... And as many rednecks as are needed will rise.
Thereafter you are governed by reasonable adherence to bouncing rules. But it is amazing how many times a feller can trip or run into things between the table and the door... And once outside, even the threat of a swing, and all bets are off. Thump em hard till they are done moving. And then call the cops.
Unfortunatly most males where I live would just squirm uncomfortably.
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Unfortunatly most males where I live would just squirm uncomfortably.
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Unfortunately, it's no aberration where you live. :laugh:
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Anyone who pulls a gun out and shoots a protestor for screaming in their face will be in very deep trouble in any state.
Unwarranted use of excessive deadly force in this situation. The concealed class that I took was over a course of 3 nights for 3 hours taking us through all different kinds of scenarios where we might need to draw and fire and we were instructed that you cannot use deadly force if the situation isn't warranted -- yes -- fearing for one's life and protecting life or another life is warranted -- also much easier to not have any witnesses either. If possible -- retreat first -- that will be tested in the courts. This however was long before the Stand Your Ground Law took effect.
As I stated the Stand Your Ground law in FL has some grey areas and has been challenged several times and in this climate with the liberal courts ... it will continue to be challenged.
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Says that the "protester" got right over the table, grabbed their drinks and purposefully spilled them.
IMO, that portester and all like him/her have a death wish.
At my age (74) with my lack of any police record, I'd drop the SOB faster than you could say, "Niagara Falls".
It's not a matter of opinion here -- it's a matter of law. Spilling a drink is not threatening your life. Now -- if they come at you with something in their hands and you fear for your life -- that's a different ballgame -- especially at 74. Me being a little old lady, weighing in at 130 lbs and only 5' 4" -- I'd say my chances of acquittal would be pretty darn good if I fired upon someone coming at me with an object. Same scenario happens to a guy 6'3 weighing 250 lbs and someone throws a drink at him and he fires -- he's going to prison. Again...the force being utilized against you has to warrant you using deadly force.
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Unfortunatly most males where I live would just squirm uncomfortably.
Well, I know it is different here... But I would imagine there are many vets where you are that would not be shy.
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Well, I know it is different here... But I would imagine there are many vets where you are that would not be shy.
There are guys here who can take care of themselves as well as anyone. There're just too many others who've had the testosterone squeezed out of them by the social environment, thats all.
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These people with bull horns harassing folks while dining are committing assault and should be arrested. Policing organizations should not stand by and do nothing like they have been.
This behavior continues, law enforcement needs to come alive. Using a bullhorn in close proximity of diners should be considered the use of a weapon with the intent to bodily harm. It is NOT an innocent act!
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These people with bull horns harassing folks while dining are committing assault and should be arrested. Policing organizations should not stand by and do nothing like they have been.
This behavior continues, law enforcement needs to come alive. Using a bullhorn in close proximity of diners should be considered the use of a weapon with the intent to bodily harm. It is NOT an innocent act!
Yes. If the cops are forced to continue to stand down someone will get killed.
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And then there are the risks associated with discharging a weapon in a "crowded " restaurant. It would take a lot to make me want to pull a weapon in a crowded venue.
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And then there are the risks associated with discharging a weapon in a "crowded " restaurant. It would take a lot to make me want to pull a weapon in a crowded venue.
Exactly, I had thought about that too. :beer:
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And then there are the risks associated with discharging a weapon in a "crowded " restaurant. It would take a lot to make me want to pull a weapon in a crowded venue.
I pictured the episode took place at the outside dining area, where passersby are walking on the sidewalk right beside you.
It's not possible to endanger anybody else if you're sitting calmly and are being assaulted or infringed upon physically and you draw the weapon and shoot him center-mass.
Of course, you could always take Joe Biden's advice and "...shoot them in the leg"...but ME??? Why take the chance on being sued for permanent injuries sustained on the POS? I'd rather send a message to others and kill the SOB.
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I pictured the episode took place at the outside dining area, where passersby are walking on the sidewalk right beside you.
It's not possible to endanger anybody else if you're sitting calmly and are being assaulted or infringed upon physically and you draw the weapon and shoot him center-mass.
Of course, you could always take Joe Biden's advice and "...shoot them in the leg"...but ME??? Why take the chance on being sued for permanent injuries sustained on the POS? I'd rather send a message to others and kill the SOB.
Shooting to wound is just plain stupid.
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The riots will not move into conservative areas. BLMers are a bunch of losers who want somebody to beat them up. A Pittsburgh jury would side with them in a civil suit. Travel a few miles outside of town, and it would be open season.
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Shooting to wound is just plain stupid.
A knife to the throat would produce the desired effect.
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Any diner who pulls a gun out and shoots a protestor for screaming in their face will be in very deep trouble in any state.
Now if that protestor goes at that person with a table crumber it would be a different matter.
Exactly. I wasn't implying I'd shoot these people, just be ready in the event they pose a thread to me or someone else - something beyond screaming f-bombs at me, obviously. I'd have my hand on the 9mm underneath the table - not brandishing, not threatening.
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Unwarranted use of excessive deadly force in this situation. The concealed class that I took was over a course of 3 nights for 3 hours taking us through all different kinds of scenarios where we might need to draw and fire and we were instructed that you cannot use deadly force if the situation isn't warranted -- yes -- fearing for one's life and protecting life or another life is warranted
Indeed. I've not only taken several firearms courses but am a former assistant prosecuting attorney. I certainly would never shoot someone whom I didn't reasonably believe posed a threat to me or another person.
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It's not a matter of opinion here -- it's a matter of law. Spilling a drink is not threatening your life. Now -- if they come at you with something in their hands and you fear for your life -- that's a different ballgame -- especially at 74. Me being a little old lady, weighing in at 130 lbs and only 5' 4" -- I'd say my chances of acquittal would be pretty darn good if I fired upon someone coming at me with an object. Same scenario happens to a guy 6'3 weighing 250 lbs and someone throws a drink at him and he fires -- he's going to prison. Again...the force being utilized against you has to warrant you using deadly force.
A bullhorn can be used to administer blunt force trauma. Stick one in my face and I will demonstrate.
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These people with bull horns harassing folks while dining are committing assault and should be arrested. Policing organizations should not stand by and do nothing like they have been.
This behavior continues, law enforcement needs to come alive. Using a bullhorn in close proximity of diners should be considered the use of a weapon with the intent to bodily harm. It is NOT an innocent act!
Correct. I don't know anyone who would consider hearing loss to not be a serious injury.
I keep seeing class action suit ads over defective ear plugs. If there is a suit, the injury must be able to be considered serious enough to warrant that action.
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DC Patriot wrote:
"Serious question:
What do you think would happen if one of those "elderly" diners outside were to reach into her purse and calmly stand up and shoot the POS between the eyes?"
Migosh.
When I started to read the article, that's the first thing I thought.
Then... I scrolled down and read your post!
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DC Patriot wrote:
"Serious question:
What do you think would happen if one of those "elderly" diners outside were to reach into her purse and calmly stand up and shoot the POS between the eyes?"
Migosh.
When I started to read the article, that's the first thing I thought.
Then... I scrolled down and read your post!
LOL! @Fishrrman Great minds think alike and all that!
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DC Patriot wrote:
"Serious question:
What do you think would happen if one of those "elderly" diners outside were to reach into her purse and calmly stand up and shoot the POS between the eyes?"
Migosh.
When I started to read the article, that's the first thing I thought.
Then... I scrolled down and read your post!
I did, too, but I think it would be better to shoot them in the megaphone. Funny how they get to be real assh*les when they get one of those.
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I did, too, but I think it would be better to shoot them in the megaphone. Funny how they get to be real assh*les when they get one of those.
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Some guy shows up at my table doing this and wearing that shirt?
As Candace (April Bowlby) said to Alan ..."You're goin down, Piggy! You're goin' DOWN!"
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QzRucSHvpU#)
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Some guy shows up at my table doing this and wearing that shirt?
As Candace (April Bowlby) said to Alan ..."You're goin down, Piggy! You're goin' DOWN!"
I just cannot fathom how men around there don't stand up and open a can of whoop-ass on them a*******. Stupid should hurt.
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I just cannot fathom how men around there don't stand up and open a can of whoop-ass on them a*******. Stupid should hurt.
LOL! A single man and his wife can't open that can, when there's a dozen of them screaming in your face.
But pull out your 9mm and shoot one or two dead on the spot? The rest will scatter and scream for their mothers.
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LOL! A single man and his wife can't open that can, when there's a dozen of them screaming in your face.
But pull out your 9mm and shoot one or two dead on the spot? The rest will scatter and scream for their mothers.
Nah... Every man in that joint ought to rise to it. I have seen that sideways look before and nodded, knowing shit was about to go down... That would happen here. And redneck women know to gaggle together and get the hell out of the way... and wait for a chance to poke em with something :laugh:
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Try that crap at a Hooter's some time and see what happens. *****rollingeyes*****
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Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzeXc1raitk#)
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39znqeC4ycs&fbclid=IwAR1PAiZvvYZv5Mz-9I7YQauRku76dfUft6ZQlBNa9iE_Eaa4KQzvdi7603I#)
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Serious question:
What do you think would happen if one of those "elderly" diners outside were to reach into her purse and calmly stand up and shoot the POS between the eyes? :2popcorn:
Serious answer: I would love it and laugh myself into a coma.
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No problem with having your hand on your 9 and I would absolutely do the same, but using the weapon or threatening to because someone is interrupting your dinner might just be seen as using unnecessary lethal force. Retreating at that point is still an option.
Any distance less than 15 feet (21 if they have a knife) and i feel that my life is in direct danger.
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It's not a matter of opinion here -- it's a matter of law. Spilling a drink is not threatening your life. Now -- if they come at you with something in their hands and you fear for your life -- that's a different ballgame -- especially at 74. Me being a little old lady, weighing in at 130 lbs and only 5' 4" -- I'd say my chances of acquittal would be pretty darn good if I fired upon someone coming at me with an object. Same scenario happens to a guy 6'3 weighing 250 lbs and someone throws a drink at him and he fires -- he's going to prison. Again...the force being utilized against you has to warrant you using deadly force.
If they are reaching in my direction it is a thread or holding the glass, in my mind it is a deadly weapon.
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We must search our souls to find and confront what we have
done to cause such hurt frustration and despair in this aggrieved race.
..nothing not one damned thing...
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Two pages of posts on this subject and yet, even having read the article, I do not see an answer to the most obvious question:
Where Were The Police????
There would be no need for anyone to discuss assault and battery standards, or reasonable use of force, or "stand your ground" laws if the police were permitted and encouraged to do their jobs.
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https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/09/08/pittsburgh-protesters-downtown-eating-video/
Couple Involved In Viral Video Showing Protesters Encounter With Diners Speaks Out
... The couple in that video, who want to remain anonymous, were outside eating on Penn Avenue downtown.
They say they support the Black Lives Matter movement, but the group who caused the disruption is not part of the movement. ...
In the video, Nique Craft, the woman seen snatching the beer off of the couples table and drinking it told KDKA that she was given permission to have it.
However, the couple says that is not true. They say “she took the glass and threw it on the ground, causing a safety issue.â€
Now, the couple does not want jail time for this demonstrator. ...
*****rollingeyes*****
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https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/09/08/pittsburgh-protesters-downtown-eating-video/
Couple Involved In Viral Video Showing Protesters Encounter With Diners Speaks Out *****rollingeyes*****
Yeah, not helpful.
This won't end until the normal people living in infected areas find their spines.
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Yeah, not helpful.
This won't end until the normal people living in infected areas find their spines.
Viva Kyle Rittenhouse!! :beer: :patriot:
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Viva Kyle Rittenhouse!! :beer: :patriot:
:beer:
Best take Snafu's advise Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JA2bv3AchI#)
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The riots will not move into conservative areas. BLMers are a bunch of losers who want somebody to beat them up. A Pittsburgh jury would side with them in a civil suit. Travel a few miles outside of town, and it would be open season.
I disagree. What is going to stop them? Who is going to stop them? Their numbers are growing. Want someone to beat them up? Quite the opposite. They are preying on the elderly, the common person walking down the street, etc. What about our kids? What about our grandkids?
The problem is threefold; no one stopped them before this whole mess got to this point, the police are walking off the force for fear of not being able to do their jobs without being prosecuted and the liberal court system and DEMS are siding with them.
Even IF people defend themselves and fight back there is a real chance that those defending themselves will be held liable. That's what is happening.
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A friend (who always carries a handgun) had an incident a few days ago.... Neighbor (35 yrs old and had been drinking) knocks on his door that a ball has gone into his backyard and could he go get it. He let the guy in to get the ball. While getting it he verbally goes at my friend for not being so neighborly. The guy eventually goes after my friend and tries to get him in a head lock. My friend pulls his gun on the guy and calls the police. I'm just shocked my friend didn't drop the guy. He's a marksman and owns hundreds of guns.... Thank goodness noone was hurt.
First of all if he were to have dropped him and he lived, it would be his word against his neighbors and secondly, he entered his yard -- even with permission he was still in his yard. The guy physically tried to attack him, but without a weapon. Using deadly force against someone unarmed on their property just may raise a few questions. I'm not an attorney by any means, but it's been drilled into my head when it is warranted to use deadly force.
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First of all if he were to have dropped him and he lived, it would be his word against his neighbors and secondly, he entered his yard -- even with permission he was still in his yard. The guy physically tried to attack him, but without a weapon. Using deadly force against someone unarmed on their property just may raise a few questions. I'm not an attorney by any means, but it's been drilled into my head when it is warranted to use deadly force.
Also, as soon as he reported it, authorities would immediately raid his home and steal all his weapons...until case was decided, at a minimum.
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https://pittsburgh.cbslocal.com/2020/09/08/pittsburgh-protesters-downtown-eating-video/
Couple Involved In Viral Video Showing Protesters Encounter With Diners Speaks Out *****rollingeyes*****
What the couple doesn't want is to be doxxed and have a yard full of hooligans one night, all shouting at them, making threats, and breaking stuff.
I have news for these folks, what they are seeing is the underbelly of the beast that hides behind the shiny scales of "peaceful protests". The founders of and the movement are Marxist. They believe in violent overthrow of the Capitalist system at their core, but deeper and a modern twist, they want to destroy America, reverse the racial roles they have been taught prevailed in grievance studies, and establish a Communist apartheid over the whites. They have already expressed the desire to "Kill whitey". They have South Africa as a model.
This has been building for decades, over half a century, and the takeover of the Democrat Party is complete.
Kindly recall (and avoid, for America and all Americans) another century with a totalitarian Communist State run by a guy named "Joe". The last one was a slave to its scientific delusions, and starved millions of Ukrainians so it would not have to admit it was wrong.
Folks, a mob is a deadly weapon, and most crowds who gathered with a grievance are just a mob waiting for a spark. THose flying the BLM banner have proven their ability to kill, loot, and burn.
As for establishing their little apartheid, even allowing for ANTIFA soyboys (they aren't all, there are hardened criminals in there, as Kyle proved), allowing for low-T urbanites, and those who have been brainwashed into feeling guilty for nothing but the color of their skin (and perhaps, secretly, feeling threatened by hostile people who look different and/or suffering from a perennial desire to be what they are not) there is still a solid majority of folks in the hinterlands and I believe in the suburbs, who won't put up with this crap. Typical of predatory behaviour, the weak, the sick, and those who present no threat will be the most threatened.
Now. before this all started, did anyone else note the number of times The Purge and sequels were on TV? That the movie was made into a series to feed the fantasies of people who thought they could dominate and destroy what they didn't like and who they didn't like, and seize whatever from the spoils?
Well, that's the stuff that's happening, just shy of the killing part, not just in Portland or Baltimore, New York or Chicago, but in a host of major Democrat enclaves where the powers that be have given the go-ahead for their Communist lackeys to loot, pillage, and burn.
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Viva Kyle Rittenhouse!! :beer: :patriot:
:patriot: :beer:
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First of all if he were to have dropped him and he lived, it would be his word against his neighbors and secondly, he entered his yard -- even with permission he was still in his yard. The guy physically tried to attack him, but without a weapon. Using deadly force against someone unarmed on their property just may raise a few questions. I'm not an attorney by any means, but it's been drilled into my head when it is warranted to use deadly force.
A significant number of homicides are committed each year with hands and feet. Having viewed assaults on people by BLM 'protesters'. including the attempt to kick Kyle Rittenhouse in the head, I would consider any size disparity to be a threat, and certainly the number of people there to back up and assist in such an assault. It is the imminent threat of serious bodily injury or death that is the standard here for use of lethal force in self defense. One hostile or violent gesture would suffice.
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A significant number of homicides are committed each year with hands and feet. Having viewed assaults on people by BLM 'protesters'. including the attempt to kick Kyle Rittenhouse in the head, I would consider any size disparity to be a threat, and certainly the number of people there to back up and assist in such an assault. It is the imminent threat of serious bodily injury or death that is the standard here for use of lethal force in self defense. One hostile or violent gesture would suffice.
Whether or not an aggressor is armed is irrelevant. Neither Trayvon Martin or Michael Brown were "armed," but their homicides were justified because both were capable of killing the one who had to resort to deadly defense.
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Smokin' Joe wrote:
"The founders of and the movement are Marxist. They believe in violent overthrow of the Capitalist system at their core, but deeper and a modern twist, they want to destroy America, reverse the racial roles they have been taught prevailed in grievance studies, and establish a Communist apartheid over the whites. They have already expressed the desire to "Kill whitey". They have South Africa as a model.
This has been building for decades, over half a century, and the takeover of the Democrat Party is complete."
... if what you write is true (and I believe it is), there's really only one way to "set things right" again. If that's even going to be possible.
It's coming and I sense it won't be too much longer.
Once again, I recommend Thomas Chittum's "Civil War II".
He was prescient, especially about the racial aspects.
You can download it freely here:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwifxLCT2NrrAhUwknIEHeoBBbQQFjAAegQIARAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jrbooksonline.com%2FPDF_Books%2FCWII.pdf&usg=AOvVaw1Zn0CG4Zi7x5b3n_qYEf87 (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwifxLCT2NrrAhUwknIEHeoBBbQQFjAAegQIARAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jrbooksonline.com%2FPDF_Books%2FCWII.pdf&usg=AOvVaw1Zn0CG4Zi7x5b3n_qYEf87)
(sorry for the long URL, save or export it as a pdf file)
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We dined al fresco this evening at a biker bar in the county adjoining Pittsburgh's county of Allegheny. Not only were we not harassed by BLMers, we didn't even wear a mask (nor did anyone else). Good times! Good hamburger! :laugh:
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We dined al fresco this evening at a biker bar in the county adjoining Pittsburgh's county of Allegheny. Not only were we not harassed by BLMers, we didn't even wear a mask (nor did anyone else). Good times! Good hamburger! :laugh:
:beer: :patriot:
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We dined al fresco this evening at a biker bar in the county adjoining Pittsburgh's county of Allegheny. Not only were we not harassed by BLMers, we didn't even wear a mask (nor did anyone else). Good times! Good hamburger! :laugh:
Mrs. Liberty and I have dined in fine biker bars, and enjoyed the company.
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Looks like he's attempting suicide.
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We dined al fresco this evening at a biker bar
You went buck nekkid into a biker bar?? woah. **Respect**
:silly: :silly:
in the county adjoining Pittsburgh's county of Allegheny. Not only were we not harassed by BLMers, we didn't even wear a mask (nor did anyone else). Good times! Good hamburger! :laugh:
Funny how folks that believe in 'Leave me alone' leave YOU alone too, right?
It is SO useful in conversation to see the lower half of a person's face. Partly I think because I am getting deaf, or maybe I have been reading lips and the expression of the lips/mouth all my life, and it's necessary... But I cannot have a decent yap with somebody wearing the dang thing.
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Looks like he's attempting suicide.
Well!
I bet that didn't just turn out the way he expected....
Schadenfreude....
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You went buck nekkid into a biker bar?? woah. **Respect**
:silly: :silly:
Funny how folks that believe in 'Leave me alone' leave YOU alone too, right?
It is SO useful in conversation to see the lower half of a person's face. Partly I think because I am getting deaf, or maybe I have been reading lips and the expression of the lips/mouth all my life, and it's necessary... But I cannot have a decent yap with somebody wearing the dang thing.
Same here. I augment my poor hearing with lip reading.
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You went buck nekkid into a biker bar?? woah. **Respect**
:silly: :silly:
Funny how folks that believe in 'Leave me alone' leave YOU alone too, right?
It is SO useful in conversation to see the lower half of a person's face. Partly I think because I am getting deaf, or maybe I have been reading lips and the expression of the lips/mouth all my life, and it's necessary... But I cannot have a decent yap with somebody wearing the dang thing.
Yep. 'Mind your own business' is a hallmark of Bikers, and it works both ways.
I agree about the masks, though. not being able to tell if someone 'smiled when they said that' is a real hindrance to conversation and communication, and I have a little trouble hearing them over the ringing in my ear.
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Serious question:
What do you think would happen if one of those "elderly" diners outside were to reach into her purse and calmly stand up and shoot the POS between the eyes? :2popcorn:
@DCPatriot
I would stand up and applaud?
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No problem with having your hand on your 9 and I would absolutely do the same, but using the weapon or threatening to because someone is interrupting your dinner might just be seen as using unnecessary lethal force. Retreating at that point is still an option.lob
@libertybele
I disagree. Those women look to be close to 80,they are sitting at an outdoor restaurant eating their dinner and not bothering anybody,and up comes a big bubble-bellied slob that is probably 40 years younger than either one,outweighs both of them put together,and he starts getting aggressive and stealing their drinks.
What are they supposed to do,turn their back to make them better targets,and try to hobble away?
How well do you think THAT would work for them?
BTW,notice this slug picks a couple of elderly women,not a single male his age? I guess this might make him cocky enough to target Girl Scouts next.
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You went buck nekkid into a biker bar?? woah. **Respect**
:silly: :silly:
I see we're not the only ones who apply that terminology to something other than outdoor dining. :laugh:
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BTW,notice this slug picks a couple of elderly women,not a single male his age? I guess this might make him cocky enough to target Girl Scouts next.
That men did not rise to defend those elderly women is a SHAME.
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That men did not rise to defend those elderly women is a SHAME.
In fairness that thing looked like a creature Excalbian
in the episode "The Savage Curtain"from Season 3 of Star Trek
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That men did not rise to defend those elderly women is a SHAME.
@roamer_1
I suspect if I had been at the next table I would still be trying to arrange bail money today. Never have played well with bullies,and when I see one of these asshats picking on women or children,all I hear is bells going off in my head,and the next thing I know,somebody is on the floor and bleeding,and I don't even remember how it happened.
I am a social Neanderthal,and make no apologies for it.
The problem is I am too old,sick,and crippled to fight anymore,so it's either gunfire or a heavy object applied at high velocity on the top of some cretin's head.
A fair fight is one *I* win. Period. If it takes a Buick at 70 MPH to win,there is a Buick in your future.
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In fairness that thing looked like a creature Excalbian
in the episode "The Savage Curtain"from Season 3 of Star Trek
@Wingnut
So what?
I bet if you drop-kicked his nuts up over his shoulders,he would cry like a little girl,and that if you cut or shot him,that he would bleed.
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You went buck nekkid into a biker bar?? woah. **Respect**
:silly: :silly:
Funny how folks that believe in 'Leave me alone' leave YOU alone too, right?
It is SO useful in conversation to see the lower half of a person's face. Partly I think because I am getting deaf, or maybe I have been reading lips and the expression of the lips/mouth all my life, and it's necessary... But I cannot have a decent yap with somebody wearing the dang thing.
I knew I wasn't the only one thinking that. I couldn't decide if it was going to be you or @sneakypete that said it.
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I knew I wasn't the only one thinking that. I couldn't decide if it was going to be you or @sneakypete that said it.
@verga
I gave up caring what most people were saying to me several years ago. Most of what I heard back when I was still able to hear was nonsense anyhow,and not worth listening to. Otherwise I would try to find my hearing aide.
These days,unless it is someone I know well and like,or someone like a guy from the fire dept pounding on my door,I just nod like I am paying attention and agreeing because that is the quickest way to get them to go away and leave me alone.
I mostly pay attention when it is women or children talking to me. I like women and children,and sometimes they have interesting or important things to say.
Most "men" these days are so full of crap I get a headache from trying to figure out how they came up with THAT brain fart.
Besides,I ain't their daddy,and nobody is paying me to teach them,so bleep them.
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I knew I wasn't the only one thinking that. I couldn't decide if it was going to be you or @sneakypete that said it.
HAHAHA! I take pleasure in messin with it... :beer:
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In fairness that thing looked like a creature Excalbian
in the episode "The Savage Curtain"from Season 3 of Star Trek
Doesn't matter. It bleeds.
And I don't see that thing as a threat at all. That ain't even nearly scary. One good punch and that is twitchin on the ground.
Now, maybe I don't see the threat, because the threat to me is a big, badass biker dude with 'one percenter' gear and rockers, and prison tats on his fingers rising up to take exception to me living. That's an 'oh sh*t' moment... And while it always cost me some, I have lived past more than a couple of them.
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@roamer_1
I suspect if I had been at the next table I would still be trying to arrange bail money today. Never have played well with bullies,and when I see one of these asshats picking on women or children,all I hear is bells going off in my head,and the next thing I know,somebody is on the floor and bleeding,and I don't even remember how it happened.
I am a social Neanderthal,and make no apologies for it.
The problem is I am too old,sick,and crippled to fight anymore,so it's either gunfire or a heavy object applied at high velocity on the top of some cretin's head.
A fair fight is one *I* win. Period. If it takes a Buick at 70 MPH to win,there is a Buick in your future.
@sneakypete
That's about right. Honor dictates that sombich needs to hurt. Because stupid should always hurt.
Maybe that's a Western thing though... Cowboy code. Nobody messes with women, and especially old women. That needs an epic can of whoop-ass.
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@Wingnut
So what?
I bet if you drop-kicked his nuts up over his shoulders,he would cry like a little girl,and that if you cut or shot him,that he would bleed.
Heh. GMTA :beer:
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@roamer_1
I suspect if I had been at the next table I would still be trying to arrange bail money today. Never have played well with bullies,and when I see one of these asshats picking on women or children,all I hear is bells going off in my head,and the next thing I know,somebody is on the floor and bleeding,and I don't even remember how it happened.
I am a social Neanderthal,and make no apologies for it.
The problem is I am too old,sick,and crippled to fight anymore,so it's either gunfire or a heavy object applied at high velocity on the top of some cretin's head.
A fair fight is one *I* win. Period. If it takes a Buick at 70 MPH to win,there is a Buick in your future.
@sneakypete
Luv ya, buddy! :beer:
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UPDATE
From KDKA reporter:
Chris Hoffman @NewsmanChris
Just In: 3 activists, Monique Craft, Kenneth McDowell, and Shawn Green are facing charges after a clash with people at restaurants in downtown during the Civil Saturday on September 5th. @KDKA
8:16 AM · Sep 15, 2020
Chris Hoffman @NewsmanChris
Some of the charges faced by the activists include harassment, conspiracy, and disorderly conduct. @KDKA
8:34 AM · Sep 15, 2020·
I believe Monique is the lovely who picked up someone's beer and drank it.