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Title: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: Dexter on February 06, 2019, 08:12:30 pm
But it's cold outside!

https://www.axios.com/earths-5-warmest-years-have-occurred-since-2014-cc42f4bb-dbc6-40b7-b478-0ce942fab2d0.html (https://www.axios.com/earths-5-warmest-years-have-occurred-since-2014-cc42f4bb-dbc6-40b7-b478-0ce942fab2d0.html)

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Last year was Earth's 4th-warmest year on record, coming in behind 2016, the planet's warmest recorded year, as well as 2015 and 2017, according to information released Wednesday by NOAA, NASA and the U.K. Met Office.

Why it matters: The yearly rankings don't tell the whole story of long-term climate change, since natural variability can still push or pull an individual year up or down the rankings. However, the overall picture is growing starker with each passing year. Nine of the 10 warmest years on record since reliable data began in 1880 have occurred since 2005. At the same time, greenhouse gases from the burning of fossil fuels — as well as deforestation and intensive agriculture — have skyrocketed to levels not seen in more than 800,000 years.

By the numbers: For 2018, the average temperature across global land and ocean surfaces was 1.42°F (0.79°C) above the 20th century average, according to NOAA.

-According to NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), global temperatures in 2018 were 1.5°F (0.83°C) warmer than the 1951–1980 mean.
   
-Analyses from the U.K. Met Office and the World Meteorological Organization also ranked 2018 among the top 4 warmest years on record.
   
-Each group relies on similar surface temperature data but uses different methods and baselines to fill in gaps between observing stations.
   
-According to NOAA, the annual global land and ocean temperature has increased at an average rate of  0.13°F (0.07°C) per decade since 1880. However, this rate has more than doubled, to 0.31°F (0.17°C) per decade, since 1981.

The big picture: "The impacts of long-term global warming are already being felt — in coastal flooding, heat waves, intense precipitation and ecosystem change," Gavin Schmidt, director of NASA GISS, said in a press release.
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: Wingnut on February 06, 2019, 08:23:10 pm
The latest trick for the GW alarmist crowd is to use the mean of the last 12 months of data. That way it looks like temps are actually higher than they presently are.



Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: jmyrlefuller on February 06, 2019, 08:38:14 pm
They always say that.
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: bigheadfred on February 06, 2019, 08:42:20 pm
The sane scientists are predicting a Grand Solar Minimum.
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: Wingnut on February 06, 2019, 08:44:51 pm
They always say that.

If nitwits didn’t write climate papers there wouldn’t be any.
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: roamer_1 on February 06, 2019, 09:46:18 pm
But it's cold outside!

https://www.axios.com/earths-5-warmest-years-have-occurred-since-2014-cc42f4bb-dbc6-40b7-b478-0ce942fab2d0.html (https://www.axios.com/earths-5-warmest-years-have-occurred-since-2014-cc42f4bb-dbc6-40b7-b478-0ce942fab2d0.html)

And you actually buy this crap?
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: Wingnut on February 06, 2019, 09:48:12 pm
And you actually buy this crap?

He does.  He is a woke millennial no-it-all and not afraid to tell us how little he knows.
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: roamer_1 on February 06, 2019, 10:08:10 pm
He does.  He is a woke millennial no-it-all and not afraid to tell us how little he knows.

Well, it is kinda sciencey... They've got a cool logo n'shit... And written on the highest quality electrons available. Who needs facts?
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: Bill Cipher on February 10, 2019, 04:14:26 pm
But it's cold outside!

https://www.axios.com/earths-5-warmest-years-have-occurred-since-2014-cc42f4bb-dbc6-40b7-b478-0ce942fab2d0.html (https://www.axios.com/earths-5-warmest-years-have-occurred-since-2014-cc42f4bb-dbc6-40b7-b478-0ce942fab2d0.html)


Where is the causal connection?  No causal connection means there is no science, only superstition, behind the claims of human-caused global warming. 

That the global mean temperature may be rising is, by itself, no evidence that human activity has caused it, and does not justify any of the measures advocated by the global warming cult.  And yes, it is a cult, not a scientific consensus, because it is based on a mythology - a believe in a causal relationship without any evidence of the causal mechanism. 

I thought cultic religious indoctrination was generally prohibited on the forum. 
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 10, 2019, 05:48:21 pm
Where is the causal connection?  No causal connection means there is no science, only superstition, behind the claims of human-caused global warming. 

That the global mean temperature may be rising is, by itself, no evidence that human activity has caused it, and does not justify a ny of the measures advocated by the global warming cult.  And yes, it is a cult, not a scientific consensus, because it is based on a mythology - a believe in a causal relationship without any evidence of the causal mechanism. 

I thought cultic religious indoctrination was generally prohibited on the forum.

"No Causal Connection" means nothing more than "Coincidence." 
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: dfwgator on February 10, 2019, 05:50:48 pm
Where is the causal connection?  No causal connection means there is no science, only superstition, behind the claims of human-caused global warming. 

That the global mean temperature may be rising is, by itself, no evidence that human activity has caused it, and does not justify any of the measures advocated by the global warming cult.  And yes, it is a cult, not a scientific consensus, because it is based on a mythology - a believe in a causal relationship without any evidence of the causal mechanism. 

I thought cultic religious indoctrination was generally prohibited on the forum.

A long time ago, some Communist, noted that the rise in temperature, due to emerging from the last Little Ice Age, coincided with the Industrial Revolution,  and conveniently decided to tie the two together in order to make the case for the Government takeover of the means of production.
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 10, 2019, 05:57:12 pm
A long time ago, some Communist, noted that the rise in temperature, due to emerging from the last Little Ice Age, coincided with the Industrial Revolution,  and conveniently decided to tie the two together in order to make the case for the Government takeover of the means of production.

...which is an admission by the Commies their 5-Year Plans are meant to destroy entire Economies.
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: The_Reader_David on February 10, 2019, 06:08:16 pm
OTOH, according to ice core records and dendochronology, there were periods (not on record, since thermometers hadn't been invented) when mean temperatures at all the places where these temperature proxies are sampled from were a fair bit hotter than the last decade (or half decade), periods that used to be called "the Medieval Climate Optimum", "the Roman Climate Optimum" and "the Holocene Climate Optimum" when people remembered that humanity tends to do better in warm climates, while cold climates, e.g. "the Little Ice Age" or full on Ice Ages, go with famine and disease.
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 10, 2019, 06:30:15 pm
OTOH, according to ice core records and dendochronology, there were periods (not on record, since thermometers hadn't been invented) when mean temperatures at all the places where these temperature proxies are sampled from were a fair bit hotter than the last decade (or half decade), periods that used to be called "the Medieval Climate Optimum", "the Roman Climate Optimum" and "the Holocene Climate Optimum" when people remembered that humanity tends to do better in warm climates, while cold climates, e.g. "the Little Ice Age" or full on Ice Ages, go with famine and disease.

I've always had a pet theory that leftists think of Humanity as a Planetary Infection that needs a cure.

It's like the "Voluntary Human Extinction Movement" minus the "voluntary" part. 
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: Bigun on February 10, 2019, 07:09:05 pm
The Romans once grew grapes and made wine in Greenland.
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on February 10, 2019, 07:10:11 pm
Good thing the Green New Deal outlaws nuclear power huh?
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: Dexter on February 10, 2019, 07:16:42 pm
Good thing the Green New Deal outlaws nuclear power huh?

Yeah, the left's aversion to nuclear power is absolutely ridiculous. I've tried to discuss it but I can't seem to get through.
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: RoosGirl on February 10, 2019, 07:22:18 pm
The Romans once grew grapes and made wine in Greenland.

Must have been a variety of cold weather grape.  By the way, what were average temperatures back in.... oh, let's say 1819, just 200 years ago?
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on February 10, 2019, 07:24:12 pm
Must have been a variety of cold weather grape.  By the way, what were average temperatures back in.... oh, let's say 1819, just 200 years ago?

Somewhere in the 1810's the US had a "year without a summer" because it snowed every month that year.
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on February 10, 2019, 07:25:12 pm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: Bigun on February 10, 2019, 07:29:46 pm
Must have been a variety of cold weather grape.  By the way, what were average temperatures back in.... oh, let's say 1819, just 200 years ago?

I think the period when Romans were doing that. was a couple of thousand years before 1819 give or take a couple of hundred.
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: RoosGirl on February 10, 2019, 07:33:09 pm
I think the period when Romans were doing that. was a couple of thousand years before 1819 give or take a couple of hundred.

Of course, my point being, we don't have detailed temperature information from only 200 years ago.  Please, give me the detailed temperature information from a couple thousand years before that.
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: bigheadfred on February 10, 2019, 07:37:29 pm
Somewhere in the 1810's the US had a "year without a summer" because it snowed every month that year.

1816. Tambora exploded.
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: Bigun on February 10, 2019, 07:39:20 pm
Of course, my point being, we don't have detailed temperature information from only 200 years ago.  Please, give me the detailed temperature information from a couple thousand years before that.

Not avaliable unfortunately as thermometers were yet far in the future but the very fact that they were doing that is a pretty strong indicator of higher temperatures at the time. 

You are right to say that the warming cultist are trying to paint a picture of millions of pixels while having only a few pixels on their palet.
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 10, 2019, 07:55:40 pm
Not avaliable unfortunately as thermometers were yet far in the future but the very fact that they were doing that is a pretty strong indicator of higher temperatures at the time. 

You are right to say that the warming cultist are trying to paint a picture of millions of pixels while having only a few pixels on their palet.

They are also trying to make the case that the climate, right now, today, is the optimum climate for the entire world.  Pretty arrogant, if you ask me.
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: Wingnut on February 10, 2019, 07:57:33 pm
1816. Tambora exploded.

It set solar panel usage back 200 years
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: Bigun on February 10, 2019, 07:58:03 pm
They are also trying to make the case that the climate, right now, today, is the optimum climate for the entire world.  Pretty arrogant, if you ask me.

Oh yeah! That's for sure.  The truth is that they don't give a damn what the temperature is as long as we are under their thumbs from cradle to grave.
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on February 10, 2019, 07:59:09 pm
I generally think the Earth is warming, due at least in part to human influence. However, I fail to see how it's the great calamity it is claimed to be. They also tend to ignore things like "global greening" that might mitigate the effects and/or even be beneficial to humanity.

This summer kind of turned me into a believer, as it wasn't that hot, but it didn't "cool down" at night very much.
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: Bigun on February 10, 2019, 08:02:26 pm
I generally think the Earth is warming, due at least in part to human influence. However, I fail to see how it's the great calamity it is claimed to be. They also tend to ignore things like "global greening" that might mitigate the effects and/or even be beneficial to humanity.

This summer kind of turned me into a believer, as it wasn't that hot, but it didn't "cool down" at night very much.

Compared to the forces of nature, human activity is one grain of sand on all the beaches of the world
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 10, 2019, 08:06:05 pm
Oh yeah! That's for sure.  The truth is that they don't give a damn what the temperature is as long as we are under their thumbs from cradle to grave.

Perzackly.
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: bigheadfred on February 10, 2019, 08:09:26 pm
Of course, my point being, we don't have detailed temperature information from only 200 years ago.  Please, give me the detailed temperature information from a couple thousand years before that.

Christ was born and the light of that Son is the true cause of Global Warming. Or, about every 2000 years the planetary alignments of Jupiter, Saturn, and the Earth/moon combine. Changing the orbital path and tilt of the earth. Which causes the earth to enter a cooling stage with info about solar cycle 24. Soooo...using the SWAG (Scientific Wild-Assed Guess) method, the year 19 the planet was colder.

For detailed info put on your snow gear and go dig your own ice cores. That would be the only way to figure it out and not rely on someone else's data.
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on February 10, 2019, 08:10:09 pm
Global greening is pretty interesting, rising carbon dioxide is respiration for plants, turned into oxygen (as well all know), and rising temperatures results in more water in the atmosphere, which is greening a lot of areas that were formerly "brown" (deserts, etc.).
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: bigheadfred on February 10, 2019, 08:47:42 pm
Global greening is pretty interesting, rising carbon dioxide is respiration for plants, turned into oxygen (as well all know), and rising temperatures results in more water in the atmosphere, which is greening a lot of areas that were formerly "brown" (deserts, etc.).

I'll have to look it up, but I read that the Sahara desert shrank by 700,000 square miles, or kilometers due to global greening.

Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: bigheadfred on February 10, 2019, 08:50:09 pm
700,000 kilometers.

700,000 Square Kilometers Of Added Green Vegetation, Climate Change Shrinks Sahara Desert By Whopping 8%!

http://notrickszone.com/2019/01/16/700000-square-kilometers-of-added-green-vegetation-climate-change-shrinks-sahara-desert-by-whopping-8/ (http://notrickszone.com/2019/01/16/700000-square-kilometers-of-added-green-vegetation-climate-change-shrinks-sahara-desert-by-whopping-8/)
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: Elderberry on February 10, 2019, 09:55:54 pm
https://history.aip.org/climate/cycles.htm (https://history.aip.org/climate/cycles.htm)

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Ice core studies also confirmed a feature that researchers had already noticed in deep-sea cores: the glacial cycle followed a sawtooth curve. In each cycle, a spurt of rapid warming was followed by a more gradual, irregular descent back into the cold over tens of thousands of years. A closer look showed that temperatures tended to cluster at the two ends of the curve. It seemed that the climate system had two fairly stable modes, brief warmth and more enduring cold, with relatively rapid shifts between them. Warm intervals like the past few thousand years normally did not last long. (36)
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 10, 2019, 10:10:31 pm
https://history.aip.org/climate/cycles.htm (https://history.aip.org/climate/cycles.htm)

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Warm intervals like the past few thousand years normally did not last long.

Just long enough to trick stupid people into giving up their rights and a working Economy.
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: roamer_1 on February 10, 2019, 10:32:00 pm
Of course, my point being, we don't have detailed temperature information from only 200 years ago. 

And even that is not all that 'detailed'... Even today it is not that detailed. This is a big ol planet, and very dynamic. Folks tend to forget that, and then believe nonsense like measuring ocean rise and fall to the millimeter...
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: roamer_1 on February 10, 2019, 10:39:39 pm
I generally think the Earth is warming, due at least in part to human influence.

Nah. Something stuck with me back when St. Helens erupted... Science estimated that that single volcano spewed more particulate, toxins, and general pollution in that one episode, than all the history of man produced.

Do that math a minute.

If you believe the statement, then science itself proved anthro-global warming to be false.
If you don't believe the statement, then science is talking out it's collective ass.

 
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: RoosGirl on February 10, 2019, 10:42:23 pm
And even that is not all that 'detailed'... Even today it is not that detailed. This is a big ol planet, and very dynamic. Folks tend to forget that, and then believe nonsense like measuring ocean rise and fall to the millimeter...

Even hands on field survey of unpaved ground will only give elevation to the closest 0.1' or a little over 1".
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: roamer_1 on February 10, 2019, 10:47:43 pm

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Ice core studies also confirmed...
https://history.aip.org/climate/cycles.htm (https://history.aip.org/climate/cycles.htm)

Again, depends on believing ice cores are old.
Greenland and Iceland have been free of ice, and Antarctica was charted (at least coastline being free of ice) within the history of man.
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: roamer_1 on February 10, 2019, 10:50:36 pm
Even hands on field survey of unpaved ground will only give elevation to the closest 0.1' or a little over 1".

Right - And that is incredibly simple by comparison.
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: Elderberry on February 10, 2019, 11:06:53 pm


Again, depends on believing ice cores are old.
Greenland and Iceland have been free of ice, and Antarctica was charted (at least coastline being free of ice) within the history of man.

It wasn't just ice cores they examined.

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Beyond such fascinating hints, however, the Greenland ice cores could say little about long-term cycles. They were too short to reach past a single glacial cycle. And the ice flowed like tar at great depths, confusing the record. In the 1970s, despite the arduous efforts of the ice drillers, the most reliable data were still coming from deep-sea cores.

After another five years of difficult work, organized by the U.S. Army's Cold Regions Research and Engineering Laboratory, the drill at Camp Century reached bedrock. The hole reached down some 1.4 kilometers (7/8 of a mile), bringing up ice as much as 100,000 years old.(30*) Two years later, in 1968, another long core of ancient ice was retrieved from a site even colder and more remote: Byrd Station in West Antarctica.(31)

cores of slick clay drilled out of living lakes, researchers painstakingly counted and measured the layers. Some reported finding a 21,000-year cycle of changes. That approximately matched the timing for a wobbling of the Earth's axis which Milankovitch had calculated as a crucial element

Tracking the shells layer by layer in long cores of clay extracted from the seabed,

As a check, the sea level changes could be set alongside the oxygen-isotope temperature changes measured in deep-sea cores.
To make it worthwhile, scientists had to draw on all their knowledge and luck to find the right places to drill on the ocean bed. In these few places, layers of silt had built up unusually swiftly and steadily and without disturbance. Meanwhile, drilling techniques were finally worked out that could extract the continuous hundred-meter cores of clay that Emiliani had been asking for since the 1950s. Improved techniques for measuring the layers gave data good enough for thorough analysis.    
The most prominent feature turned out to be a 100,000-year cycle — evidently a key to the entire climate puzzle. Several earlier studies had tentatively identified this long-term cycle. Corroboration was in hand from Kukla's loess layers in Czechoslovakia, at the opposite end of the world from some of the deep-sea cores. Here too the 100,000-year cycle stood out.(37)


A splendid deep-sea core had been pulled — "one of the best and most complete records of the entire Pleistocene that is known" — the famous core Vema 28-238 (named after the Lamont Observatory's oceanographic research vessel, a converted luxury yacht). It reached back over a million years, and included the most recent reversal of the Earth's magnetic field, which geologists dated at a bit over 700,000 years ago. This calibrated the chronology for the entire core.

1985 the Antarctic team had pulled up cores of ice stretching clear through the cold period and into the preceding warm period—a complete glacial cycle.(50)

Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: roamer_1 on February 10, 2019, 11:16:45 pm
It wasn't just ice cores they examined.

Yeah, yeah... Same with the 'tree ring' debacle. Assumptions are weighted toward their belief... That doesn't make it true.
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: Fishrrman on February 10, 2019, 11:38:45 pm
Globull warming threads always call to mind this guy:
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Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: Elderberry on February 11, 2019, 12:25:06 am
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Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: The_Reader_David on February 11, 2019, 01:47:43 am
The Romans once grew grapes and made wine in Greenland.

I think you're a bit off.  The Romans never made it to Greenland.  The Vikings grew grapes in Greenland during the Medieval Climate Optimum (and probably made wine).  The Romans had vineyards and wine making in what is now the English Midlands, a bit north of the current British wine-country in Sussex, during the Roman Climate Optimum.
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 11, 2019, 10:15:53 am
The Romans once grew grapes and made wine in Greenland.
IIRC, those were Vikings...

But back home, Mrs. Joe informed me it got down to -40, and the power went out. My grandson went out to the wood pile, and they sat in front of the fireplace while the power was out....

I'm from North Dakota, and I'm all for global warming. Pity humans don't have any control over the thermostat.

And this BS about CO2, which trails warming?

Open a beer. put a balloon over the end of the bottle and let the beer warm up. Agitate it.

It's a simple experiment to show that the solubility of CO2 in water decreases as temperature increases.

Wow, just like 70% of the Earth's surface would warm up after an ice age (the oceans) and give up CO2.

CO2 increases in atmosphere trail warming. Just like you'd expect. A result of warming, not the cause.
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: rustynail on February 11, 2019, 11:34:21 am
"years on record "  is white man tricky talk.
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: Smokin Joe on February 11, 2019, 12:04:23 pm
"years on record "  is white man tricky talk.
Yeah, take the right couple of days and you can predict a stock going to be a 10 bagger--right before it tanks.
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: Dexter on February 11, 2019, 01:38:58 pm
"years on record "  is white man tricky talk.

I don't think it's an insignificant detail.
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on February 11, 2019, 02:20:25 pm
If I’m judging whether the world is in a warming trend by what’s going on in my corner, yeah, I think it is.  It used to cool off dependably at the end of August, barring a few warmer September days.  Now we have 80 degree temps through October, every year.  Fall comes very late.  And there are days during the winter when spring wants to punch through—-we just had some 70-plus days. 

Do I think it’s manmade?  Of course not.  Humans only ever got arrogant enough to think they control the weather once they stopped believing in God.  These cycles come and go.  I might not like warmer weather, but it’s the opposite of catastrophic.  The doomsday merchants never mention the medieval warm period.
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: Bigun on February 11, 2019, 02:50:58 pm
If I’m judging whether the world is in a warming trend by what’s going on in my corner, yeah, I think it is.  It used to cool off dependably at the end of August, barring a few warmer September days.  Now we have 80 degree temps through October, every year.  Fall comes very late.  And there are days during the winter when spring wants to punch through—-we just had some 70-plus days. 

Do I think it’s manmade?  Of course not.  Humans only ever got arrogant enough to think they control the weather once they stopped believing in God.  These cycles come and go.  I might not like warmer weather, but it’s the opposite of catastrophic.  The doomsday merchants never mention the medieval warm period.

If you gave every human being on earth 1600 sq ft to stand on they would not cover the state of Texas.

BTW: Can anyne tell me what the Eart's optimum temperature is?  How about the optimum Co2 level?  I'll wait.
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: QueenCatofAragon on February 11, 2019, 02:57:08 pm
If you gave every human being on earth 1600 sq ft to stand on they would not cover the state of Texas.

BTW: Can anyne tell me what the Eart's optimum temperature is?  How about the optimum Co2 level?  I'll wait.

@Bigun

Yes, the manmade thing is a ridiculous premise & always was. 

I could google, but that’s cheating, so I’ll pass, lol.
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: rustynail on February 11, 2019, 03:06:55 pm
"How about the optimum Co2 level?"
 I've read 1000 ppm.
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 11, 2019, 03:10:58 pm
BTW: Can anyone tell me what the Earth's optimum temperature is?  How about the optimum Co2 level?  I'll wait.

LOL.  Trick question of course.  Nobody knows what "optimum" even means, let alone know what the numbers should be.  It takes a supreme arrogance to even pretend to know, or believe we are at optimum right now and we should act to inhibit any change.  Even though I live in the Desert Southwest, I'd like to see it get warmer.
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: bigheadfred on February 11, 2019, 03:11:42 pm
If you gave every human being on earth 1600 sq ft to stand on they would not cover the state of Texas.

BTW: Can anyne tell me what the Eart's optimum temperature is?  How about the optimum Co2 level?  I'll wait.

The optimum temperature is 75 degrees. At lower temps people start adding layers of clothing. At higher temps they start to become invisible until they diappear completely. The optimum Co2 level is a little bit harder to figure. Don't know what the current level is, but the earth is getting greener and people aren't dying from the Co2 so we are in the ball park.
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: rustynail on February 11, 2019, 03:17:05 pm
"Don't know what the current level is".....410 ppm.
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: Elderberry on February 11, 2019, 03:20:05 pm
The optimum temperature is 75 degrees. At lower temps people start adding layers of clothing. At higher temps they start to become invisible until they diappear completely. The optimum Co2 level is a little bit harder to figure. Don't know what the current level is, but the earth is getting greener and people aren't dying from the Co2 so we are in the ball park.

There Ain't No Optimum for everybody!  Everyone you ask will have a different favorite temperature.

for example: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-people-feel-hot/ (https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-people-feel-hot/)
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70 degrees Fahrenheit, where we feel most comfortable
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 11, 2019, 03:22:52 pm
The optimum temperature is 75 degrees. At lower temps people start adding layers of clothing. At higher temps they start to become invisible until they diappear completely. The optimum Co2 level is a little bit harder to figure. Don't know what the current level is, but the earth is getting greener and people aren't dying from the Co2 so we are in the ball park.

Doesn't that assume Humans are the optimal animal?  What if we're not?

And yes, CO2 is harder to figure, which makes it even more arrogant to pretend to know what it should be.  Declaring CO2 a "pollutant" should tell us what we need to know about the motives of the alarmists, and it isn't "improving the world."
Title: Re: Earth's 5 warmest years on record have occurred since 2014
Post by: Cyber Liberty on February 11, 2019, 03:25:11 pm
"Don't know what the current level is".....410 ppm.

Is that everywhere on the planet, or an average value?