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Trump should butt out of Independence Day celebrations
by Quin Hillyer
| May 13, 2019 05:06 PM
President Trump and his extravagant ego are both out of line in their insistence that he be in charge of, make a speech at, and further increase the already huge size of the annual Independence Day celebration in Washington, D.C.
The problem is not so much the idea, in theory, that a nation’s head of state should lead the celebration of the nation’s birthday, in a sort of apolitical way. Instead, the first of several problems is that in the United States, the head of state is also a partisan political leader, and thus by his very nature, he can add an element of divisiveness to a celebration that should be unifying.
The second problem is that the presidency already has become far more powerful, in relation to the other branches of government, than originally foreseen by our founders. There is a danger in exacerbating the already growing tendency to conflate the presidency with the nation itself and to let the president appear to rule rather than serve the populace. Plus, as Jason Russell astutely wrote in these pages back in March, “A bigger celebration in Washington inflates the already outsize importance of the presidency and the federal government.†He’s right that it shouldn’t do so.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/trump-should-butt-out-of-independence-day-celebrations (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/trump-should-butt-out-of-independence-day-celebrations)
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A) That Trump is seen as divisive is not his fault. He clearly has tried to be the country's president.
B) The left hates the US anyway, so what do they care about a 7/4 celebration?
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I remember when Obama made every holiday about himself and we complained.....
..now I realize we weren't clear on his complaining. It wasn't that he was putting himself in everything, he just wasn't doing it big enough...
Lesson learned.
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Actually, the entire democrat party should be KEPT AWAY from Independence Day Celebrations. Thomas Paine said it best:
Who Are the Real Winter Soldiers?
April 04, 2014
For most of us, this weekend’s release of the latest superhero film, “Captain America: Winter Soldier†will be simply another night of fun entertainment at the theater. But Winter Soldier means much more than a cool sounding name for a fictional comic book character. There is a long legacy behind the name Winter Soldier that is much deeper in meaning. There is pain and suffering in that name. There is sacrifice, honor and healing behind those words.
To understand the real meaning of the name Winter Soldier we begin in 1776 with The American Crisis, a collection of articles written by Thomas Paine during the American Revolutionary War. Paine is best known for his extremely popular and successful pamphlet Common Sense, which argued for Independence from England.
“These are the times that try men's souls: The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.â€
https://www.veteransforpeace.org/pressroom/news/2014/04/04/who-are-real-winter-soldiers (https://www.veteransforpeace.org/pressroom/news/2014/04/04/who-are-real-winter-soldiers)
The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot Nothing describes a democrat better than this!! :im waiting:
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Actually, the entire democrat party should be KEPT AWAY from Independence Day Celebrations. Thomas Paine said it best:
Who Are the Real Winter Soldiers?
April 04, 2014
For most of us, this weekend’s release of the latest superhero film, “Captain America: Winter Soldier†will be simply another night of fun entertainment at the theater. But Winter Soldier means much more than a cool sounding name for a fictional comic book character. There is a long legacy behind the name Winter Soldier that is much deeper in meaning. There is pain and suffering in that name. There is sacrifice, honor and healing behind those words.
To understand the real meaning of the name Winter Soldier we begin in 1776 with The American Crisis, a collection of articles written by Thomas Paine during the American Revolutionary War. Paine is best known for his extremely popular and successful pamphlet Common Sense, which argued for Independence from England.
“These are the times that try men's souls: The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of his country; but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.â€
https://www.veteransforpeace.org/pressroom/news/2014/04/04/who-are-real-winter-soldiers (https://www.veteransforpeace.org/pressroom/news/2014/04/04/who-are-real-winter-soldiers)
The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot Nothing describes a democrat better than this!! :im waiting:
Yep. We are two countries now. Their's has nothing to do with America.
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I do think it is a mistake for Trump to make himself the center of attention in this way... but that's a big part of who he is.
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I do think it is a mistake for Trump to make himself the center of attention in this way... but that's a big part of who he is.
While I understand the concern, I do believe the writer is injecting a lot of personal animus into his essay. Should Trump make a "major" speech? Maybe not. But his doing so doesn't necessary equate to him "making it all about himself". Thats hyperbole.
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You guys realize that we are separating ourselves from 90% of other Americans.
All of us know instinctively that Trump would give the very Best 4th of July speech ever.
That is exactly what is driving the Lunatic Left into convulsions of HATE.
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While I understand the concern, I do believe the writer is injecting a lot of personal animus into his essay. Should Trump make a "major" speech? Maybe not. But his doing so doesn't necessary equate to him "making it all about himself". Thats hyperbole.
Rather than making himself the focus of the event, I think it would be truly effective if Trump were to use the occasion to celebrate those aspects of America that Democrats now clearly detest: capitalism, freedom of speech, freedom of self-defense and the free exercise of religious faith in public - for which our Founders sacrificed so much. Now that would be memorable.
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Rather than making himself the focus of the event, I think it would be truly effective if Trump were to use the occasion to celebrate those aspects of America that Democrats now clearly detest: capitalism, freedom of speech, freedom of self-defense and the free exercise of religious faith in public - for which our Founders sacrificed so much. Now that would be memorable.
Agree, but how would he do that but by a speech?
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I do think it is a mistake for Trump to make himself the center of attention in this way... but that's a big part of who he is.
Normally, I'd agree. But with our media, Trump needs every opportunity he can get to appear unfiltered to the American people.
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Summary; blah blah blah I hate Trump blah blah
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Agree, but how would he do that but by a speech?
Tweet it.
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Agree, but how would he do that but by a speech?
Reagan did it all the time, and I have seen Trump do it, too. Remind people about what has always been good about our nation.
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Tweet it.
Darn thats clever.
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Summary; blah blah blah I hate Trump blah blah
ORANGE MAN BAD!
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Agree, but how would he do that but by a speech?
A 5-10 minute video would do the trick. (One without him in it.)
I voted for him in 2016 and will vote for him in 2020, but I don't need to see him on the television during the 4th of July festivities. Many families and friends gather for Independence Day celebrations... most don't need an injection of politics into the event.
We do almost always "just family" gatherings for the 4th... everyone is either a Trump Realist or Trump Fanatic, so there isn't a concern for any loud arguments (or worse), it would just be nice to have a whole day go by without Trump being a topic.... :shrug:
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A 5-10 minute video would do the trick. (One without him in it.)
I voted for him in 2016 and will vote for him in 2020, but I don't need to see him on the television during the 4th of July festivities. Many families and friends gather for Independence Day celebrations... most don't need an injection of politics into the event.
We do almost always "just family" gatherings for the 4th... everyone is either a Trump Realist or Trump Fanatic, so there isn't a concern for any loud arguments (or worse), it would just be nice to have a whole day go by without Trump being a topic.... :shrug:
So a speech by the President of the United States is just "politics"? When Reagan spoke after Challenger blew up, was that "Politics"?
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So a speech by the President of the United States is just "politics"? When Reagan spoke after Challenger blew up, was that "Politics"?
Everything about Trump is politics. Don't need to see the ugly mug of ANY politician on Independence Day celebrations.
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I do think it is a mistake for Trump to make himself the center of attention in this way... but that's a big part of who he is.
There’s plenty to criticize in Trump for his lack of presidential demeanor. But one thing he’s not, is phony. He genuinely is what he appears to be: authentic.
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Everything about Trump is politics. Don't need to see the ugly mug of ANY politician on Independence Day celebrations.
Then don't watch. Whenever Obama was on TV, I turned the TV off or changed the channel.
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Then don't watch. Whenever Obama was on TV, I turned the TV off or changed the channel.
I did the same, even now I turn my head away if either Zero or HRC are shown on the TV (even still pictures).
The "Capitol Fourth" has always been a fun thing to have on the TV when you get back in from fireworks... even the crumby version of the Beach Boys featuring Mike Love (and no Brian Wilson!) was mildly entertaining.... I really hope that Trump doesn't inject himself into that and ruin it...
Some may not understand my point of view (considering that I am a willing Trump voter), but that is the thing... I am a voter, not a Worshiper... I don't worship any public servants.
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A) That Trump is seen as divisive is not his fault. He clearly has tried to be the country's president.
B) The left hates the US anyway, so what do they care about a 7/4 celebration?
A. No, he hasn't. From the beginning he's fought with anyone who disagrees with him. He has even lashed out against his own party. His twitter rants and his rock star appearances are all about whipping his fans into a frenzy and targeting anyone who doesn't bow down and worship him. And while he panders to the faithful, his duties as president are neglected.
B. Are you sure the author is a leftist? And by the way, there are many of us who are not leftists who don't want Trump making this celebration about himself -- and possibly at the taxpayers' expense. If he wants to throw his own party on his own dime -- fine. But the taxpayers should not be footing a bill for what will amount to another of his rallies.
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Summary; blah blah blah I hate Trump blah blah
LOL
You just summarized CNN, MSNBC, and all Leftist comedy for the last 4 years.
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Neither this "author" or anybody posting on this topic knows for sure what the President is planning on doing July 4. I think the author is wrong to assume Trump is planning a political rally on The Mall.
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A. No, he hasn't. From the beginning he's fought with anyone who disagrees with him. He has even lashed out against his own party. His twitter rants and his rock star appearances are all about whipping his fans into a frenzy and targeting anyone who doesn't bow down and worship him. And while he panders to the faithful, his duties as president are neglected.
B. Are you sure the author is a leftist? And by the way, there are many of us who are not leftists who don't want Trump making this celebration about himself -- and possibly at the taxpayers' expense. If he wants to throw his own party on his own dime -- fine. But the taxpayers should not be footing a bill for what will amount to another of his rallies.
You dislike Trump, I get it.
Not all of us do, and do not perceive him the same way you do.
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Neither this "author" or anybody posting on this topic knows for sure what the President is planning on doing July 4. I think the author is wrong to assume Trump is planning a political rally on The Mall.
It would be crazy if he didn't IMO.
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Don't need to see the ugly mug of ANY politician on Independence Day celebrations.
President Reagan's Address to the Nation on Independence Day - 7/4/86
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President Reagan's Address to the Nation on Independence Day - 7/4/86
ANY means ANY. (I am not a Reagan Worshiper either.)
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So now media pundits (the gold standard in impartial objectivity that they are) are able to divine and characterize Trump’s intentions 7 weeks into the future. And it’s all bad.
Damn. Seems that the media really is all powerful. Move over, God.
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So now media pundits (the gold standard in impartial objectivity that they are) are able to divine and characterize Trump’s intentions 7 weeks into the future. And it’s all bad.
Damn. Seems that the media really is all powerful. Move over, God.
No one has to "divine" anything, it comes right from his own thumbs:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1099651121088466946 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1099651121088466946)
HOLD THE DATE! We will be having one of the biggest gatherings in the history of Washington, D.C., on July 4th. It will be called “A Salute To America†and will be held at the Lincoln Memorial. Major fireworks display, entertainment and an address by your favorite President, me!
4:43 AM - 24 Feb 2019
Trump highly involved in July 4 planning, hopes to deliver Lincoln Memorial address, report says
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/05/13/trumps-fourth-july-plans-include-presidential-address-report-says/1186852001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/05/13/trumps-fourth-july-plans-include-presidential-address-report-says/1186852001/)
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The author: Quin Hillyer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quin_Hillyer)
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ANY means ANY. (I am not a Reagan Worshiper either.)
Well aren't you special?
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No one has to "divine" anything, it comes right from his own thumbs:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1099651121088466946 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1099651121088466946)
HOLD THE DATE! We will be having one of the biggest gatherings in the history of Washington, D.C., on July 4th. It will be called “A Salute To America†and will be held at the Lincoln Memorial. Major fireworks display, entertainment and an address by your favorite President, me!
4:43 AM - 24 Feb 2019
Trump highly involved in July 4 planning, hopes to deliver Lincoln Memorial address, report says
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/05/13/trumps-fourth-july-plans-include-presidential-address-report-says/1186852001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019/05/13/trumps-fourth-july-plans-include-presidential-address-report-says/1186852001/)
And your point is? That the president will celebrate Independence Day with gusto, like most true Americans will?
Whoa! Hold the presses!
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Well aren't you special?
If "special" means that I don't swoon like a high school girl at public servants, then I must be.
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And your point is? That the president will celebrate Independence Day with gusto, like most true Americans will?
Whoa! Hold the presses!
The point is that not every American wants Trump invading the Independence Day celebration at the Capitol. Can you not understand that this is not a nation of Trump Worshipers?
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No one has to "divine" anything, it comes right from his own thumbs:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1099651121088466946 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1099651121088466946) [
And you still don't know what the President is going to talk about during his speech @EdJames I expect it to be quite inspirational.
But you can stay down by the beer keg during the speech … we'll come fetch ya when the President has finished. :laugh:
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The point is that not every American wants Trump invading the Independence Day celebration at the Capitol. Can you not understand that this is not a nation of Trump Worshipers?
Get over yourself, Ed. :patriot:
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While I understand the concern, I do believe the writer is injecting a lot of personal animus into his essay. Should Trump make a "major" speech? Maybe not. But his doing so doesn't necessary equate to him "making it all about himself". Thats hyperbole.
It would be a terrific venue to tell America that at THAT moment, the 'Dirty Dozen' culprits are being rounded up at their family barbecues and then deliver a speech in the vein of "WE WILL NOT GO QUIETLY INTO THE NIGHT......"
He could even do it on the wing of an F18 wearing a leather jacket. :laugh:
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And you still don't know what the President is going to talk about during his speech @EdJames I expect it to be quite inspirational.
But you can stay down by the beer keg during the speech … we'll come fetch ya when the President has finished. :laugh:
Yeah see that's the difference. I am not looking for "inspiration" from any public servants.
If he ends up invading this event, I will stay outside and keep blowing off more fireworks.
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Get over yourself, Ed. :patriot:
RiV Translation: Bend one knee and bow @EdJames
I do not trust this man to not interject himself or politics into our Nations birthday celebration!!!!!!!!
I know that makes me a hater or worse yet an obummer supporter, so be it.
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Let us be reminded that the president is not above the law – nor is he below it. He gets to enjoy all the blessings of freedom that the ordinary citizen does on this Independence Day celebration to come. Even to gather and freely express his love of country, and as president of these United States, offer up to fellow citizens some words of pride and hope in these troubled times.
God bless the United States of America.
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The author: Quin Hillyer (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quin_Hillyer)
Quin Hillyer, demonstrates his fine political acumen:
"He served as an unpaid director in the state campaign for Pete Dupont’s 1988 GOP presidential bid."
Now he hands out advice to Trump, and TDS Brifers lap it up?
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RiV Translation: Bend one knee and bow @EdJames
I do not trust this man to not interject himself or politics into our Nations birthday celebration!!!!!!!!
I know that makes me a hater or worse yet an obummer supporter, so be it.
I guess that is better than the two knee bow!
You nailed it there @corbe, the Independence Day celebration in the Nation's Capitol should be free of any politicians. If Trump wants to hold a rally somewhere that day, his campaign can rent a stadium.
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Let us be reminded that the president is not above the law – nor is he below it. He gets to enjoy all the blessings of freedom that the ordinary citizen does on this Independence Day celebration to come. Even to gather and freely express his love of country, and as president of these United States, offer up to fellow citizens some words of pride and hope in these troubled times.
God bless the United States of America.
I sometimes can't believe the things that I read here... how many "ordinary citizens" will be ordering a second stage to be installed, moving the location of the fireworks, and making a public address on the Capitol grounds?
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I liked the idea he floated a few weeks ago, Mt Rushmore. Start a WH petition soon that his image should be up there and push it at his Ralley, Hell, he can even promise that the Canuks will pay for it for all I care.
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Neither this "author" or anybody posting on this topic knows for sure what the President is planning on doing July 4. I think the author is wrong to assume Trump is planning a political rally on The Mall.
yea, but it scares them to death
that he maybe will.
Even the idea of this makes them go into convulsions of HATE. This is exactly what their whole campaign was trying to censor.
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RiV Translation: Bend one knee and bow @EdJames
I do not trust this man to not interject himself or politics into our Nations birthday celebration!!!!!!!!
I know that makes me a hater or worse yet an obummer supporter, so be it.
Just what distinction are you making between the impact of an individual president on the politics of his day, and the birth of our constitutional republic, that designed our government and our unique American political life? I don’t see the conflict, do you?
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BTW. Trump should fire and replace his entire internal staff.
Whoever is leaking this stuff, fire them all.
It will always turn out to be the person you trusted the most
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It might be my TDS @aligncare but I can't help but think had Trump been around during the founding of our Constitutional Republic he would have sided with the Federalist even so far as denying Madison his push for the Bill of Rights.
I have studied the Man (Trump) extensively, his life is practically an open book that some refuse to see or just disregard it all as mostly a publicity stunt.
I have, in recent months, tempered by dislike for the man on Myst's TBR, today, apparently, not so much.
Have another :beer: I'll chill
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Et tu Brute?
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Yeah see that's the difference. I am not looking for "inspiration" from any public servants.
If he ends up invading this event, I will stay outside and keep blowing off more fireworks.
Oh, but see @EdJames -- you and I are "haters" because we don't want Trump turning the 4th of July festivities into a campaign rally. *****rollingeyes*****
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I have always loved a parade. I think this would be wonderful. A walk back in time when real Americans came out to support the past sacrifices of Real American heroes.
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Yeah see that's the difference. I am not looking for "inspiration" from any public servants.
There's no difference here @EdJames .. I don't look for "inspiration" from elected officials either.. and this makes it all the more special and memorable when it happens. Hope for the best, prepare to be disappointed. happy77
Now, please holster your virtue signaling.
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There's no difference here @EdJames .. I don't look for "inspiration" from elected officials either.. and this makes it all the more special and memorable when it happens. Hope for the best, prepare to be disappointed. happy77
Now, please holster your virtue signaling.
LOL! The folks at MLK's "I Had a Dream..." speech weren't expecting that, either. :patriot: @Right_in_Virginia
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Well aren't you special?
@dfwgator
Why, because he said he doesn’t worship politicians & makes no exceptions? Seems consistent to me. Also level-headed.
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@dfwgator
Why, because he said he doesn’t worship politicians & makes no exceptions? Seems consistent to me. Also level-headed.
Level heads are easily sliced. But that is not the case here.
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Oh, but see @EdJames -- you and I are "haters" because we don't want Trump turning the 4th of July festivities into a campaign rally. *****rollingeyes*****
@Applewood
Yes, apparently my "sin" is that I prefer to not have Trump invade the National Independence Day celebration with a campaign rally. :thud:
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There's no difference here @EdJames .. I don't look for "inspiration" from elected officials either.. and this makes it all the more special and memorable when it happens. Hope for the best, prepare to be disappointed. happy77
Now, please holster your virtue signaling.
:bigsilly:
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@Applewood
Yes, apparently my "sin" is that I prefer to not have Trump invade the National Independence Day celebration with a campaign rally. :thud:
And, here's your sign ....
(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/31227846.jpg)
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Level heads are easily sliced. But that is not the case here.
@The Ghost
Being level-headed is not a negative, whether Trump is president or not. I have faith that you can come up with a better pun, because that one flopped.