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Never Trump Republicans plotting to back Biden
by David M. Drucker
| September 19, 2019 12:00 AM
Republicans opposed to President Trump are quietly preparing to support Democratic front-runner Joe Biden, backing that could materialize in the primary as he attempts to fend off a surging Elizabeth Warren.
Some Republican operatives active in Never Trump circles are discussing what form support for Biden might take and the timing. Groups such as Stand Up Republic, co-founded by prominent Never Trump Republicans Evan McMullin and Mindy Finn, could target disaffected GOP voters in key micro-battlegrounds with finely tailored advertising in a bid to boost Biden in the Democratic primary.
Biden, 76, is the most likely Democrat to receive measurable support from the Never Trump crowd, most of whom quickly concluded that the president does not face a realistic threat from the three Republicans challenging him in the GOP primary in 2020.
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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/never-trump-republicans-quietly-preparing-to-back-biden (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/never-trump-republicans-quietly-preparing-to-back-biden)
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Just FYI: Regardless of how you feel about Trump, if you're supporting Biden, you're not conservative.
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The New Hampshire primary should be interesting because (I believe) folks can cross over and vote in the primary of their choice. Will Republicans cross over and vote in the Dem primary, either for Biden because he's the sole relative moderate in a field of radicals, or for one of those radicals with the thinking that they may prove to be easier opponents for Trump?
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Just FYI: Regardless of how you feel about Trump, if you're supporting Biden, you're not conservative.
Remember Warren Harding's winning and inherently conservative pitch after the chaos of World War 1: a return to normalcy. A lot of voters today seek a return to normalcy. Who should they support?
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The New Hampshire primary should be interesting because (I believe) folks can cross over and vote in the primary of their choice. Will Republicans cross over and vote in the Dem primary, either for Biden because he's the sole relative moderate in a field of radicals, or for one of those radicals with the thinking that they may prove to be easier opponents for Trump?
I would not put it past the democRATs to use Biden as a Trojan horse to get a radical leftist VP into the presidency. Convince Biden to run at the top of the ticket to garner supposed moderates, then resign a few months into his presidency. Probably the only way they can get a president Warren.
Of course that whole scenario depends on Biden's ego and willingness to play along and take one for the team.
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Not surprising. Virginia Republicans did the same thing a few years back by quietly supporting Terry McAuliffe as governor just to prevent a Conservative from sitting in the governor's mansion.
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Remember Warren Harding's winning and inherently conservative pitch after the chaos of World War 1: a return to normalcy. A lot of voters today seek a return to normalcy. Who should they support?
If you're a conservative, then you support the candidate with a conservative record. Period. Anything else means you are placing something else above conservative principles, and are by definition something other than conservative.
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If you're a conservative, then you support the candidate with a conservative record. Period. Anything else means you are placing something else above conservative principles, and are by definition something other than conservative.
So your saying that conservatives must place ideology over all else? So how do you explain Trump, who has been a New York liberal for far more years than he's been your conservative champion? I doubt many who voted for Trump thought they were voting for a conservative. Most were voting against someone else, or else were seeking a populist change agent, not a traditional conservative.
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So your saying that conservatives must place ideology over all else? So how do you explain Trump, who has been a New York liberal for far more years than he's been your conservative champion? I doubt many who voted for Trump thought they were voting for a conservative. Most were voting against someone else, or else were seeking a populist change agent, not a traditional conservative.
I'll take the devil I know thank you very much. Not some Rat puke. professed gungrabbing, old white person with socialist tendencies.
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So your saying that conservatives must place ideology over all else? So how do you explain Trump, who has been a New York liberal for far more years than he's been your conservative champion? I doubt many who voted for Trump thought they were voting for a conservative. Most were voting against someone else, or else were seeking a populist change agent, not a traditional conservative.
What you don't understand about Conservatives in general and Conservatism specifically...is that it isn't an "ideology" like Progressivism or Socialism or Communism.
Conservatism is a philosophy. It's built on the founding of America and Western Civilization itself. With a centralized theme of ordered Liberty.
William F. Buckley stated what Conservatism is in just 21 words. “freedom, individuality, the sense of community, the sanctity of the family, the supremacy of the conscience, the spiritual view of life.â€
You from your writings here and despite your forthcoming protestations to the contrary...is no one here buys your BS that you're a Conservative in any way shape or form.
It's also why you and some others don't understand why Conservatives are leery of Trump.
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Let me go out on a limb here and say that most of the people so plotting were never Republicans to begin with.
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Let me go out on a limb here and say that most of the people so plotting were never Republicans to begin with.
There're alot of people who are mere actors filling a part that offers a paycheck calling themselves 'republican'. Sometimes they'll even call themselves 'conservative' if it means a few more quid in their pockets. But they're no more either of those things than Ben Affleck is a fighter pilot.
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There're alot of people who are mere actors filling a part that offers a paycheck calling themselves 'republican'. Sometimes they'll even call themselves 'conservative' if it means a few more quid in their pockets. But they're no more either of those things than Ben Affleck is a fighter pilot.
:yowsa: It's really obvious to those who actually are conservative/republican.
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I believe that Trump's promise to seek the advice of the Federalist Society and appoint judicial conservatives was the tipping-point issue for a lot of conservatives who were otherwise on the fence. And rightly so. If we lose the Supreme Court, we're done.
I agree with that. A vote cast with clenched nose is still a vote. And this is the issue that, for many of us, will represent the bottom line come November of 2020.
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Just FYI: Regardless of how you feel about Trump, if you're supporting Biden, you're not conservative.
Agreed.
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I would not put it past the democRATs to use Biden as a Trojan horse to get a radical leftist VP into the presidency. Convince Biden to run at the top of the ticket to garner supposed moderates, then resign a few months into his presidency. Probably the only way they can get a president Warren.
Of course that whole scenario depends on Biden's ego and willingness to play along and take one for the team.
I agree that is the democommie plan. Biden will be at the top of the ticket with a stealth POTUS-in-waiting. And Biden may well die or become so medically compromised he may not have to resign.
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These people stink up the room.
They deserve no attention, except disdain.
Think of a fake deacon, a notorioous liar.
How to get the stink out of the room?
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Don't forget, one of their angry leaders, John McCain, caast the deciding vote against ridding the nation of Obamacare. (currently, I think Romney pays nobody McMuffin)
Many of them are angry, bitter people.
The way to get the stink out of the room, is just get them out of the room.
Reagan's 1980 "Republican" opponent John Anderson, went on to become a Ralph Nader supporter, in his stinking but failed political career post-1980.
Sinkspur left GOPBR angry, vowing to work for Hillary.
MaCain, Sinkspur--you get the picture that I see. But the smell lingers.
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It's also why you and some others don't understand why Conservatives are leery of Trump.
Let me first say that we should all be "leery" of every Politician...in the general sense.
That said, "Conservatives" are NOT specifically leery of Trump...members of the conservative Party, the GOP, support him at near 90% levels as per Gallup. That is inclusive of strong support from the Evangelical and the most conservative elements of the American Right. That 90% reflects incredibly strong support amongst conservatives for President Trump and his policies...which is NOT to say that there are no concerns or skepticism on certain issues.
Still, support overall amongst conservatives is almost unprecedentedly strong for President Trump. The "10%" not supporting him are a tiny embittered polyglot of RINO's, Moral Narcissists, and foreign policy Neocons who find the man too gauche...too tweety...or who cling to the "he used to be an NY lib" back in the 90's (oddly akin to Reagan being head of the Hollywood actors' guild and a Democrat in the early 60's....18 years before he ascended to the White House).
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"Conservatives are NOT leery of Trump...members of the conservative Party, the GOP, support him at near 90% levels as per Gallup. That is inclusive of strong support from the Evangelical and the most conservative elements of the American Right. That 90% reflects incredibly strong support amongst conservatives for President Trump and his policies...which is NOT to say that there are no concerns or skepticism on certain issues.
Still, support overall amongst conservatives is almost unprecedentedly strong for President Trump. The "10%" not supporting him are a tiny embittered polyglot of RINO's, Moral Narcissists, and foreign policy Neocons who find the man too gauche...too tweety...or who cling to the "he used to be an NY lib" back in the 90's (oddly akin to Reagan being head of the Hollywood actors' guild and a Democrat in the early 60's....18 years before he ascended to the White House).
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Just FYI: Regardless of how you feel about Trump, if you're supporting Biden, you're not conservative.
Same thoughts here. I call bull shit.
I think it is a ploy to make Biden look moderate and electable.
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The New Hampshire primary should be interesting because (I believe) folks can cross over and vote in the primary of their choice.
@Jazzhead
@Cyber Liberty
1. Some states, Texas included, determine which party you are in, at the primary. In these states, if you vote Republican in the primary, you remain a Republican until the next primary. At this next primary, you once again vote either Republican or Democrat, and that makes you a member of that party until the next primary.
2. Some states require a voter to register as a Republican or Democrat and that can only be changed by going to courthouse and signing up for the other party. I should be able to check New Hampshire fairly quickly. Will do that right now.
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Gallup also noted that the 86-point gap between Republicans and Democrats in the new poll tied a record. An overwhelming 91 percent of Republicans now approve of Trump's performance, compared to just 5 percent of Democrats. More than one-third of independents — 38 percent — approve of the job he is doing.
Trump job approval rises amid record partisan gap: Gallup
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/462136-trump-job-approval-ticks-up-as-partisan-gap-ties-record-gallup
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Ah. Your usual witty riposte. How original.
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I do know a few conservatives who have given up. They figure, what's the use; might as well vote for the Democrat.
Don't like that idea, but I understand their frustration. There is no one who really represents us. We're lost.
And we aren't going to vote for Trump to "save us" from the Democrats. Trump is no savior.
I don't know what I will do next year. I have said I will stay home, but I don't want to do that either. I promised my Dad I would always vote. It's an important privilege that can be taken away in the blink of an eye if we don't vote.
But what do we do when the choices are so bad? I'm not doing the lesser of two evils thing.
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@Jazzhead
@Cyber Liberty
New Hampshire
"This system is not a fully open primary, because people who are registered with a party (Republican or Democratic) on voting day cannot vote in the other party's primary."
So, you register for a party there. It also says a person not registered for either party may vote for either one.
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Remember Warren Harding's winning and inherently conservative pitch after the chaos of World War 1: a return to normalcy. A lot of voters today seek a return to normalcy. Who should they support?
What normalcy are you talking about? The normalcy of continued warfare in the Mideast or the continued operation of Guantanamo, or perhaps the normalcy of a president bowing to foreign leaders and apologizing for America, corruption and collusion with unions, the giving of military secrets and huge amounts of cash to countries that want to destroy us? The democrat kind of normalcy? If you think that Biden, or any other democrat, in any way represents or offers the type of normalcy America had for a few short years post WWI and WWII I'd like some of what your smoking.
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Let me first say that we should all be "leery" of every Politician...in the general sense.
That said, "Conservatives" are NOT specifically leery of Trump...members of the conservative Party, the GOP, support him at near 90% levels as per Gallup. That is inclusive of strong support from the Evangelical and the most conservative elements of the American Right. That 90% reflects incredibly strong support amongst conservatives for President Trump and his policies...which is NOT to say that there are no concerns or skepticism on certain issues.
Still, support overall amongst conservatives is almost unprecedentedly strong for President Trump. The "10%" not supporting him are a tiny embittered polyglot of RINO's, Moral Narcissists, and foreign policy Neocons who find the man too gauche...too tweety...or who cling to the "he used to be an NY lib" back in the 90's (oddly akin to Reagan being head of the Hollywood actors' guild and a Democrat in the early 60's....18 years before he ascended to the White House).
Exactly, Trump's not perfect, we watch our steps but he's been the most pro-life prez or close to it, yeah, those who disagree with this should go to the life news forum where they rarely seem to show up... and some success in beating back ISIS. Compare this to a Democrat president and it's almost a wonder nowadays, that any Republican could be elected president. The demographics may start to indicate other. Already with any presidential election, a Democrat starts out almost assuredly with California, New York, Illinois and Massachusetts. Fine, fine if others don't want to pitch in but don't tell us we aren't conservative.
There's a lot to question about those who routinely attack the Prez. I mean, are they on Planned Parenthood's side or something? They like holding others to standards, what about them?
:thumbsup:
@Mesaclone
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Not surprising. Virginia Republicans did the same thing a few years back by quietly supporting Terry McAuliffe as governor just to prevent a Conservative from sitting in the governor's mansion.
@Hoodat
Anybody that would vote for that weasel would vote for Satan. Those names need to be known to the public.
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So your saying that conservatives must place ideology over all else? So how do you explain Trump, who has been a New York liberal for far more years than he's been your conservative champion?
@Jazzhead
I am going to type slowly so even someone surgically attached to a Hookah can understand it. Trump was NOT a "New York liberal". Not ever. What he WAS,was someone doing business in NYC,which meant he HAD to do business with NYC politicians and political appointees,all of whom are leftists because that is the system that put them in power and in mansions.
So he played along and did what he had to do to survive as a businessman in that atmosphere.
I know this is going to be a serious challenge to your reasoning ability (?),but Trump is no longer dependent on the good will of those people. In FACT,he has EVERY reason,including resentment for all the money they cheated him out of,to hate them with a passion.
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It's also why you and some others don't understand why Conservatives are leery of Trump.
@txradioguy
I understand perfectly well why you and the other fake Conservatives are leery of Trump. You are NOT Conservatives,you are bible-thumping moralizing dictators. You hate him because he is rich,has had multiple wives,and you are jealous because life hasn't been so kind for you.
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I'd have more respect for a hard lefty who supports those progressive goals because they believe in them than I would for a Republican who prioritizes civility and "normalcy" over core principles of liberty. They don't care if we're free as long as things are otherwise "normal".
They're Vichy Republicans.
@Maj. Bill Martin
And there you have it. Thank you!
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@Jazzhead
I am going to type slowly so even someone surgically attached to a Hookah can understand it. Trump was NOT a "New York liberal". Not ever. What he WAS,was someone doing business in NYC,which meant he HAD to do business with NYC politicians and political appointees,all of whom are leftists because that is the system that put them in power and in mansions.
So he played along and did what he had to do to survive as a businessman in that atmosphere.
I know this is going to be a serious challenge to your reasoning ability (?),but Trump is no longer dependent on the good will of those people. In FACT,he has EVERY reason,including resentment for all the money they cheated him out of,to hate them with a passion.
:thumbsup:
Really, we have to hear these smears routinely, in lieu of this, it's hard to be sure anyone else could have been elected as a Republican candidate. I mean, that's how extreme BHO was.
@sneakypete
Yeah, I really wish some Never-Trumpers would save some of their wisdom, often, it's just being as smart as a box-of-rocks but we've got to take it seriously.
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:thumbsup:
Really, we have to hear these smears routinely, in lieu of this, it's hard to be sure anyone else could have been elected as a Republican candidate. I mean, that's how extreme BHO was.
@sneakypete
Yeah, I really wish some Never-Trumpers would save some of their wisdom, often, it's just being as smart as a box-of-rocks but we've got to take it seriously.
Before you go singing the praises of Jazzy...you might like to know that he thinks the only way for the GOP to win in November of 2020 is for Trump to step aside and have someone like a John Kasich be at the top of the ticket.
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Before you go singing the praises of Jazzy...you might like to know that he thinks the only way for the GOP to win in November of 2020 is for Trump to step aside and have someone like a John Kasich be at the top of the ticket.
OH, I'm quite certain that with Trump as the nominee, the GOP will lose the Presidency and Senate. And since it's more than a year before the election, I advocate doing something to try to avert that impending disaster (and no, I'm not suggesting John Kasich). But most here dismiss me as a crank. So have it your way, you're lemmings all.
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@Jazzhead
I am going to type slowly so even someone surgically attached to a Hookah can understand it. Trump was NOT a "New York liberal". Not ever. What he WAS,was someone doing business in NYC,which meant he HAD to do business with NYC politicians and political appointees,all of whom are leftists because that is the system that put them in power and in mansions.
So he played along and did what he had to do to survive as a businessman in that atmosphere.
I know this is going to be a serious challenge to your reasoning ability (?),but Trump is no longer dependent on the good will of those people. In FACT,he has EVERY reason,including resentment for all the money they cheated him out of,to hate them with a passion.
One of the clearest recounting of the facts that NeverTrumpers and wayward conservatives revel in distorting.
May I offer you my humble thanks and a big :thumbsup: for setting the record straight so definitively.
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@Jazzhead
I am going to type slowly so even someone surgically attached to a Hookah can understand it. Trump was NOT a "New York liberal". Not ever. What he WAS,was someone doing business in NYC,which meant he HAD to do business with NYC politicians and political appointees,all of whom are leftists because that is the system that put them in power and in mansions.
So he played along and did what he had to do to survive as a businessman in that atmosphere.
I know this is going to be a serious challenge to your reasoning ability (?),but Trump is no longer dependent on the good will of those people. In FACT,he has EVERY reason,including resentment for all the money they cheated him out of,to hate them with a passion.
You need to type SLOWER for us stoners, @sneakypete cause I still don't get it.
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You need to type SLOWER for us stoners, @sneakypete cause I still don't get it.
@corbe
Sometimes you do and say what you HAVE to do and say in order to survive and thrive,even if you don't want to do and say those things.
Then,when you your head is no longer under the chopping block,you only do what you WANT to do,and may even want a little "get back" on the people that pressured you when they could BECAUSE they could.
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@corbe
Sometimes you do and say what you HAVE to do and say in order to survive and thrive,even if you don't want to do and say those things.
Then,when you your head is no longer under the chopping block,you only do what you WANT to do,and may even want a little "get back" on the people that pressured you when they could BECAUSE they could.
Above the other necessary qualities, good negotiators should be realistic and optimistic. Trump is both.
Years ago a doctor in New York hired me to be his associate doctor. He was big in local, city, and state democrat politics. I always avoided letting our conversation stray into politics and the times it did, I simply feigned political indifference. What would be the point? I needed the work, not the grief.
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Jazzhead....you could not be more wrong. Trump is well positioned to win in 2020, and the Democommies have literally nothing.
It does not matter if it is Biden, Warren or Sanders, they are all losers. It does not matter if the Never Trumpers side with Biden. Rest assured, Biden will put his senile or idiot foot in his mouth and turn off voters. Count on it.
And what is the TRUTH of the matter, most logical Democommies know they are the party of nothing but lunacy.
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OH, I'm quite certain that with Trump as the nominee, the GOP will lose the Presidency and Senate. And since it's more than a year before the election, I advocate doing something to try to avert that impending disaster (and no, I'm not suggesting John Kasich). But most here dismiss me as a crank. So have it your way, you're lemmings all.
Well, you've been "advocating" for quite some time now. What though are YOU personally doing to promote someone else who will win the GOP nomination and eventually the oval office???
I have heard of no one with a snowball's chance of winning running against Trump -- so you can "advocate" all you want, it is quite futile.
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Jazzhead....you could not be more wrong. Trump is well positioned to win in 2020, and the Democommies have literally nothing.
It does not matter if it is Biden, Warren or Sanders, they are all losers. It does not matter if the Never Trumpers side with Biden. Rest assured, Biden will put his senile or idiot foot in his mouth and turn off voters. Count on it.
And what is the TRUTH of the matter, most logical Democommies know they are the party of nothing but lunacy.
Believe me, I'd rather you be right than me. But I fear that Trump will effectively be used by the Dems as a distraction to impose socialism on our Republic.
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Believe me, I'd rather you be right than me. But I fear that Trump will effectively be used by the Dems as a distraction to impose socialism on our Republic.
Yeah. Okay. I could see how that would keep you up at night.
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@Jazzhead
I am going to type slowly so even someone surgically attached to a Hookah can understand it. Trump was NOT a "New York liberal". Not ever. What he WAS,was someone doing business in NYC,which meant he HAD to do business with NYC politicians and political appointees,all of whom are leftists because that is the system that put them in power and in mansions.
So he played along and did what he had to do to survive as a businessman in that atmosphere.
It is not often I agree with Jazzhead, but yeah, Trump is/always will be/always has been a NY Liberal or a LIAR... you choose... The 3rd option is both... and you can guess which I select.
But lets just hear Trump in his own words... before you decide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHAHKGP10yc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHAHKGP10yc)
Now having heard that again I ask, is Trump telling the truth or lying as you suggested (play acting for business purposes)?
I understand perfectly well why you and the other fake Conservatives are leery of Trump. You are NOT Conservatives,you are bible-thumping moralizing dictators. You hate him because he is rich,has had multiple wives,and you are jealous because life hasn't been so kind for you.
Odd most of Bible Thumpers fully understand the 10th commandment... it is you that doesn't. Perhaps you can point out where we said something against Trump's wealth? The only jabs I have noticed on the rich is when it is hypocritical (like rich liberals talking about taking guns away while living in gated communities).. Heck most of us fully understand the value of having rich folk is that wealth does work it's way down (thus it is opportunity to better ourselves/family). It is only the left that wants the world to believe that conservatives want everyone to be poor. Christian Conservatives realize that poor people are the most expensive segment of society so we really want them to be able to care for themselves if possible. If not, then there is provisions put in place to help the poor help themselves (like not gleaming a field twice so the poor can pick the left over).
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I spent most of my life as a registered Democrat. I got elected by 89% in a majority Republican community. Back then, I was a fiscal conservative, and a moderate for social issues. Like many, I believed a woman had a right to choose in regard to abortion. But with age comes wisdom, and greater knowledge, and a clearer view of right versus wrong.
When I was younger, I never heard of Margaret Sanger. I never knew that Charles Lindbergh worked closely with her to develop eugenics policies. Did not know that Lindbergh was a staunch supporter of Nazi Germany, so much so, he and his wife were planning to move there and establish residence in Germany. And yet to this day, he and Sanger are heralded in this country as courageous.
Well, live and learn....otherwise!
Judge Trump by what he does, and not what he said or did 20 years ago. He is hands down the most conservative president in my lifetime since Eisenhower. He is attempting to do more for right to life than any president. For that issue alone, he is a champion conservative.
He has successfully implemented tax changes that scream conservative. He is fighting almost alone for a secure border, and no other president has fought this hard.
He has strengthened our military and brought back respect for our nation globally. He has forced our so called allies to carry more of the water, where they have failed to do so with prior Republican presidents, not to mention POSs like Obama.
He has reduced regulation in America unlike any prior Republican. In fact, I consider his success far greater than Reagan, who when he left office, left a government much larger than what it was when he entered. ANd that was one of Reagan's big planks when he ran, to reduce government. Hmmm!
Fact is, Trump has had far more success implementing conservative principles as POTUS than any other, despite having nonstop resistance from both Democommies and Republicans. Heck you have Romney and Lee wanting to pass legislation to stop Trump. And those two b*st*rds consider themselves conservative. People better awaken to the fact that Trump with his rough edges may well be the best conservative and effective president we have had in 60 years!
And if it wasn't for the fact the Democommies are total whack jobs, they would find him an easy president to work with, for he does want to produce results, but they are too damn stupid. They choose to be led by the likes of a 29 year old bartender that is their current architect. The GND could not be more idiotic if they tried. There is nothing of merit in that, and they all have endorsed it. At a time of when one party is literally insane, Trump despite constant and unrelenting attack, has remained strong.
With all going on, thank God Trump is as strong a leader as he is!!!!!!!!
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I spent most of my life as a registered Democrat. I got elected by 89% in a majority Republican community. Back then, I was a fiscal conservative, and a moderate for social issues. Like many, I believed a woman had a right to choose in regard to abortion. But with age comes wisdom, and greater knowledge, and a clearer view of right versus wrong.
When I was younger, I never heard of Margaret Sanger. I never knew that Charles Lindbergh worked closely with her to develop eugenics policies. Did not know that Lindbergh was a staunch supporter of Nazi Germany, so much so, he and his wife were planning to move there and establish residence in Germany. And yet to this day, he and Sanger are heralded in this country as courageous.
Well, live and learn....otherwise!
Judge Trump by what he does, and not what he said or did 20 years ago. He is hands down the ost conservative president in my lifetime since Eisenhower. He is attempting to do more for right to life than any president. For that issue alone, he is a champion conservative.
He has successfully implemented tax changes that scream conservative. He is fighting almost alone for a secure border, and no other president has fought this hard.
He has strengthened our military and brought back respect for our nation globally. He has forced our so called allies to carry more of the water, where they have failed to do so with prior Republican presidents, not to mention POSs like Obama.
He has reduced regulation in America unlike any prior Republican. In fact, I consider his success far greater than Reagan, who when he left office, left a government much larger than what it was when he entered. ANd that was one of Reagan's big planks when he ran, to reduce government. Hmmm!
Fact is, Trump has had far more success implementing conservative principles as POTUS than any other, despite having nonstop resistance from both Democommies and Republicans. Heck you have Romney and Lee wanting to pass legislation to stop Trump. And those two b*st*rds consider themselves conservative. People better awaken to the fact that Trump with his rough edges may well be the best conservative and effective president we have had in 60 years!
And if it wasn't for the fact the Democommies are total whack jobs, they would find him an easy president to work with, for he does want to produce results, but they are too damn stupid. They choose to be led by the likes of a 29 year old bartender that is their current architect. The GND could not be more idiotic if they tried. There is nothing of merit in that, and they all have endorsed it. At a time of when one party is literally insane, Trump despite constant and unrelenting attack, has remained strong.
With all going on, thank God Trump is as strong a leader as he is!!!!!!!!
Not much to add and all very well said.
Well said, he is pardoning ?? Veteran Student debt or something and he's given Vets other breaks.
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Above the other necessary qualities, good negotiators should be realistic and optimistic. Trump is both.
Years ago a doctor in New York hired me to be his associate doctor. He was big in local, city, and state democrat politics. I always avoided letting our conversation stray into politics and the times it did, I simply feigned political indifference. What would be the point? I needed the work, not the grief.
@aligncare
And there it is. We ALL have to make compromises if we want to be able to pay our bills and put a little away for hard times. It ain't pretty,but reality is rarely pretty.
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It is not often I agree with Jazzhead, but yeah, Trump is/always will be/always has been a NY Liberal or a LIAR... you choose... The 3rd option is both... and you can guess which I select.
@Sighlass
You would agree with him more if he thumped on a bible.
But lets just hear Trump in his own words... before you decide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHAHKGP10yc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHAHKGP10yc)
Now having heard that again I ask, is Trump telling the truth or lying as you suggested (play acting for business purposes)?
I don't have speakers,so I have no idea what that was about.
Odd most of Bible Thumpers fully understand the 10th commandment... it is you that doesn't.
You understand nothing within shouting distance of sanity.
Perhaps you can point out where we said something against Trump's wealth?
Most of you are to "weaselly" to say it outloud,but you think it.
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Some of the Christians here are highly offended with your 'pie in the sky' analogies, @sneakypete
Please lets' not go there. You are certainly entitled to express your opinion here but a Forum that avoids Religious Threads like the plague, it just seems disingenuous to even bring it up, it pizzes all the 'wrong' people off. @sneakypete
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Some of the Christians here are highly offended with your 'pie in the sky' analogies, @sneakypete
Please lets' not go there. You are certainly entitled to express your opinion here but a Forum that avoids Religious Threads like the plague, it just seems disingenuous to even bring it up, it pizzes all the 'wrong' people off. @sneakypete
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@corbe
I understand what you are saying,and while it is true on a theoretical basis the FACT is religious indoctrination is responsible for the political mindset of the Religious Right as Islam is to the Taliban. You can not discuss politics on a level playing field if you can't call them on their dogma.
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I spent most of my life as a registered Democrat. I got elected by 89% in a majority Republican community. Back then, I was a fiscal conservative, and a moderate for social issues. Like many, I believed a woman had a right to choose in regard to abortion. But with age comes wisdom, and greater knowledge, and a clearer view of right versus wrong.
When I was younger, I never heard of Margaret Sanger. I never knew that Charles Lindbergh worked closely with her to develop eugenics policies. Did not know that Lindbergh was a staunch supporter of Nazi Germany, so much so, he and his wife were planning to move there and establish residence in Germany. And yet to this day, he and Sanger are heralded in this country as courageous.
Well, live and learn....otherwise!
Judge Trump by what he does, and not what he said or did 20 years ago. He is hands down the most conservative president in my lifetime since Eisenhower. He is attempting to do more for right to life than any president. For that issue alone, he is a champion conservative.
He has successfully implemented tax changes that scream conservative. He is fighting almost alone for a secure border, and no other president has fought this hard.
He has strengthened our military and brought back respect for our nation globally. He has forced our so called allies to carry more of the water, where they have failed to do so with prior Republican presidents, not to mention POSs like Obama.
He has reduced regulation in America unlike any prior Republican. In fact, I consider his success far greater than Reagan, who when he left office, left a government much larger than what it was when he entered. ANd that was one of Reagan's big planks when he ran, to reduce government. Hmmm!
Fact is, Trump has had far more success implementing conservative principles as POTUS than any other, despite having nonstop resistance from both Democommies and Republicans. Heck you have Romney and Lee wanting to pass legislation to stop Trump. And those two b*st*rds consider themselves conservative. People better awaken to the fact that Trump with his rough edges may well be the best conservative and effective president we have had in 60 years!
And if it wasn't for the fact the Democommies are total whack jobs, they would find him an easy president to work with, for he does want to produce results, but they are too damn stupid. They choose to be led by the likes of a 29 year old bartender that is their current architect. The GND could not be more idiotic if they tried. There is nothing of merit in that, and they all have endorsed it. At a time of when one party is literally insane, Trump despite constant and unrelenting attack, has remained strong.
With all going on, thank God Trump is as strong a leader as he is!!!!!!!!
Thanks for this. I don’t care what Trump calls himself, just as long as he keeps it up.
Seriously I cannot fathom all this navel gazing & bickering over semantics - arent results what we want?
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@corbe
I understand what you are saying,and while it is true on a theoretical basis the FACT is religious indoctrination is responsible for the political mindset of the Religious Right as Islam is to the Taliban. You can not discuss politics on a level playing field if you can't call them on their dogma.
I’m with @corbe here SP. Your sweeping characterizations are not accurate, fair, nor do they help win any converts.
Otherwise you’re pretty much spot on.
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I spent most of my life as a registered Democrat. I got elected by 89% in a majority Republican community. Back then, I was a fiscal conservative, and a moderate for social issues. Like many, I believed a woman had a right to choose in regard to abortion. But with age comes wisdom, and greater knowledge, and a clearer view of right versus wrong.
When I was younger, I never heard of Margaret Sanger. I never knew that Charles Lindbergh worked closely with her to develop eugenics policies. Did not know that Lindbergh was a staunch supporter of Nazi Germany, so much so, he and his wife were planning to move there and establish residence in Germany. And yet to this day, he and Sanger are heralded in this country as courageous.
Well, live and learn....otherwise!
Judge Trump by what he does, and not what he said or did 20 years ago. He is hands down the most conservative president in my lifetime since Eisenhower. He is attempting to do more for right to life than any president. For that issue alone, he is a champion conservative.
He has successfully implemented tax changes that scream conservative. He is fighting almost alone for a secure border, and no other president has fought this hard.
He has strengthened our military and brought back respect for our nation globally. He has forced our so called allies to carry more of the water, where they have failed to do so with prior Republican presidents, not to mention POSs like Obama.
He has reduced regulation in America unlike any prior Republican. In fact, I consider his success far greater than Reagan, who when he left office, left a government much larger than what it was when he entered. ANd that was one of Reagan's big planks when he ran, to reduce government. Hmmm!
Fact is, Trump has had far more success implementing conservative principles as POTUS than any other, despite having nonstop resistance from both Democommies and Republicans. Heck you have Romney and Lee wanting to pass legislation to stop Trump. And those two b*st*rds consider themselves conservative. People better awaken to the fact that Trump with his rough edges may well be the best conservative and effective president we have had in 60 years!
And if it wasn't for the fact the Democommies are total whack jobs, they would find him an easy president to work with, for he does want to produce results, but they are too damn stupid. They choose to be led by the likes of a 29 year old bartender that is their current architect. The GND could not be more idiotic if they tried. There is nothing of merit in that, and they all have endorsed it. At a time of when one party is literally insane, Trump despite constant and unrelenting attack, has remained strong.
With all going on, thank God Trump is as strong a leader as he is!!!!!!!!
Bravo, Sir. Bravo.
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@Sighlass
I don't have speakers,so I have no idea what that was about.
You do know it has that little cc button on the video that auto translates where you can read right?
You understand nothing within shouting distance of sanity.
I understand I deleted half of my reply to conform with Myst's wishes of not dwelling on religion... Something that you constantly attempt to throw back in our defenseless faces. I tire of turning the other cheek when you throw out things like we believe this and that when it is a baldface lie. Like I asked you, just where do you find anyone on this forum that has once said anything against Trump being rich? You will find most of us are pretty forthcoming with stuff like that if we honestly believed it. I have a FR page that dates back to the year 2000, you will not find anything there either.
Most of you are to "weaselly" to say it outloud,but you think it.
Surely over nearly 2 decades I must of slipped somewhere and said it (or even implied it). I don't like Trump, but not once have I mentioned his riches being the reason. The closest I have ever mentioned (that I can remember) is I wasn't too fond of the "doesn't take a salary" angle as a political hook.... and I still don't... it is an unfair advantage over poorer politicians that can't make the same claim because they aren't as well off.
..(snip)...the FACT is religious indoctrination is responsible for the political mindset of the Religious Right as Islam is to the Taliban. You can not discuss politics on a level playing field if you can't call them on their dogma.
We all have our backgrounds that shape and mold us, you express yours quite frequently. The problem I have is having to respond back to you with my hands tied behind my back. You take advantage of it as most here can attest. You hate religion, we get it, give it a rest. Perhaps we also know that close to 200 million were wiped from the face of the Earth by godless pushing governments too (and to this day are still being democided).
China Forces Churches to Replace Ten Commandments with Xi Jinping Quotes
https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2019/09/18/china-forces-churches-to-replace-ten-commandments-with-xi-jinping-quotes/ (https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2019/09/18/china-forces-churches-to-replace-ten-commandments-with-xi-jinping-quotes/)
"If men are so wicked with religion, what would they be without it?" ~~ Ben Franklin
@sneakypete
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Don't get me wrong @skeeter I love @sneakypete and his contribution here except his occasional Religious tirades, he's a standup guy.
I'd have his baby if he wasn't impotent.
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I'll be blunt:
Any "Republican" who would vote for Biden over Trump, well...
... is no "Republican" at all.
Even "RINO" would be a reach.
Conservative??? Who are you tryin' to b.s.?
Turn in your voter registration card and be gone!
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I’m with @corbe here SP. Your sweeping characterizations are not accurate, fair, nor do they help win any converts.
Otherwise you’re pretty much spot on.
@skeeter
LOL! You mean other than the whole being completely wrong thing,right?
That's ok. I don't expect everybody to agree with me. I'd be shocked if they did.
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You do know it has that little cc button on the video that auto translates where you can read right?
I know that some do,but not all. Enough don't that I don't even bother to click on video or audio links anymore.
I understand I deleted half of my reply to conform with Myst's wishes of not dwelling on religion... Something that you constantly attempt to throw back in our defenseless faces.
You poor defenseless bay-bay! I had no idea we heathens had you outnumbered,surrounded,and shut down!
I tire of turning the other cheek when you throw out things like we believe this and that when it is a baldface lie.
I will tolerate your insanity to a certain degree,but I do NOT lie!
Like I asked you, just where do you find anyone on this forum that has once said anything against Trump being rich? You will find most of us are pretty forthcoming with stuff like that if we honestly believed it. I have a FR page that dates back to the year 2000, you will not find anything there either.
My apologies. I didn't realize you were everybody on this forum. Must be tough buying clothes that will fit. Especially hats.
Surely over nearly 2 decades I must of slipped somewhere and said it (or even implied it). I don't like Trump, but not once have I mentioned his riches being the reason. The closest I have ever mentioned (that I can remember) is I wasn't too fond of the "doesn't take a salary" angle as a political hook.... and I still don't... it is an unfair advantage over poorer politicians that can't make the same claim because they aren't as well off.
And there you are. You might not realize it,but there you are.
We all have our backgrounds that shape and mold us, you express yours quite frequently. The problem I have is having to respond back to you with my hands tied behind my back. You take advantage of it as most here can attest. You hate religion, we get it, give it a rest. Perhaps we also know that close to 200 million were wiped from the face of the Earth by godless pushing governments too (and to this day are still being democided).
How many followers on non-Christian religions were killed over the centuries in various "Kill a Commie/whatever for Christ!" crusades?
China Forces Churches to Replace Ten Commandments with Xi Jinping Quotes
"If men are so wicked with religion, what would they be without it?" ~~ Ben Franklin
Left with no other choice than to admit that THEY are responsible for their own evil acts
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Don't get me wrong @skeeter I love @sneakypete and his contribution here except his occasional Religious tirades, he's a standup guy.
I'd have his baby if he wasn't impotent.
@corbe
Tattletale!
See if I ever lend you my "magic fingers" again!
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You do realize @sneakypete I was just mad at you when I told you that the 'magical fingers' thing was just some mythical BS on your part, and it didn't mean squat to the big 'O'. I was lying then, not now.
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I do know a few conservatives who have given up. They figure, what's the use; might as well vote for the Democrat.
Don't like that idea, but I understand their frustration. There is no one who really represents us. We're lost.
And we aren't going to vote for Trump to "save us" from the Democrats. Trump is no savior.
I don't know what I will do next year. I have said I will stay home, but I don't want to do that either. I promised my Dad I would always vote. It's an important privilege that can be taken away in the blink of an eye if we don't vote.
But what do we do when the choices are so bad? I'm not doing the lesser of two evils thing.
Trump is the slippery slope to liberalism.
I won't do lesser of two evils either. Biden won't be fit for President. Its likely not only his teeth that are falling out. His brain is not working right either. If he won it wouldn't be long for them to declare him unfit. I don't think he can even remember where he is at. Whoever the running mate is would become President if he was to win.
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Don't get me wrong @skeeter I love @sneakypete and his contribution here except his occasional Religious tirades, he's a standup guy.
I'd have his baby if he wasn't impotent.
I know exactly what what you mean and agree - @sneakypete makes this place a much more interesting place to hang out.
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I'll be blunt:
Any "Republican" who would vote for Biden over Trump, well...
... is no "Republican" at all.
Even "RINO" would be a reach.
Conservative??? Who are you tryin' to b.s.?
Turn in your voter registration card and be gone!
Yes, something like this indeed.
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I know that some do,but not all. Enough don't that I don't even bother to click on video or audio links anymore.
The video you purposely twice ignored was Trump admitting he was a NY liberal. Thus why you continue to act like it doesn't exist. Something you claimed he never was. I tire of you again ignoring what others point out to you when it is inconvenient.
Trump was NOT a "New York liberal". Not ever.
Again, the video has Trump admitting he is a NY Liberal on issues that differ from Republican platforms (abortion and homosexuality in the military/gay marriage perhaps)... He proudly says it out of his own two lips. That because he lives in NY his views are different from what others might think on the subject. He is he is "VERY" pro-choice again citing his "NY background" (NY values where there is different attitudes on the subject). He says then again I WAS RAISED IN NY City... He points out he worked and grew up in the area... and he would not ban partial birth abortions. He says he is pro-choice in EVERY respect.
How could it be clearer, stop ignoring the goal posts... @Jazzhead was right. (broken clock).
You poor defenseless bay-bay! I had no idea we heathens had you outnumbered,surrounded,and shut down!
What does this have to do with anything other than just another snarky comment you like to make.
I will tolerate your insanity to a certain degree,but I do NOT lie!
But when you do and it gets pointed out to ya, you ignore it and make excuses. Trump is a NY liberal and I never hated on Trump due to his riches...
My apologies. I didn't realize you were everybody on this forum. Must be tough buying clothes that will fit. Especially hats.
I opened the door for you to expose anyone here on hating Trump just for his wealth... You reply with another useless snarky nothingism.
And there you are. You might not realize it,but there you are.
The issue you just misrepresented was did I or anyone here hate Donald for his wealth? I don't realize it because I didn't say that. I said that the closest I came to saying anything against Trump using a class warfare argument was that I didn't care for his campaign using his promise not taking a salary as a campaign tool. I knew it was stupid, besides if I wanted to go that route, I could point out the liberal talking point that he has made more money via directing traffic to his resorts than any salary would of paid. Again, you will not find that I did that.
How many followers on non-Christian religions were killed over the centuries in various "Kill a Commie/whatever for Christ!" crusades?
Just wow, I know of no "kill a commie for Christ" campaign. Stop making crap up again.
The Crusades (if you were somewhat referring to them) were mostly defensive in nature. But even so, there have been more killed by godless pushing communist the past 100 years than all the folks killed the previous 19 centuries COMBINED.
I noticed infowars has several videos on this subject on Youtube, but you said you don't like videos so I will go to the source of the Infowars videos.
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/DBG.TAB1.2.GIF (http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/DBG.TAB1.2.GIF)
Left with no other choice than to admit that THEY are responsible for their own evil acts
Humans are evil when we stray, we are to fight against that nature as God intended us to. It is a given that often we get what we sow. I just pray my kids don't suffer for all the sin I did (especially in my youth).
@sneakypete
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I spent most of my life as a registered Democrat. I got elected by 89% in a majority Republican community. Back then, I was a fiscal conservative, and a moderate for social issues. Like many, I believed a woman had a right to choose in regard to abortion. But with age comes wisdom, and greater knowledge, and a clearer view of right versus wrong.
When I was younger, I never heard of Margaret Sanger. I never knew that Charles Lindbergh worked closely with her to develop eugenics policies. Did not know that Lindbergh was a staunch supporter of Nazi Germany, so much so, he and his wife were planning to move there and establish residence in Germany. And yet to this day, he and Sanger are heralded in this country as courageous.
Well, live and learn....otherwise!
Judge Trump by what he does, and not what he said or did 20 years ago. He is hands down the ost conservative president in my lifetime since Eisenhower. He is attempting to do more for right to life than any president. For that issue alone, he is a champion conservative.
He has successfully implemented tax changes that scream conservative. He is fighting almost alone for a secure border, and no other president has fought this hard.
He has strengthened our military and brought back respect for our nation globally. He has forced our so called allies to carry more of the water, where they have failed to do so with prior Republican presidents, not to mention POSs like Obama.
He has reduced regulation in America unlike any prior Republican. In fact, I consider his success far greater than Reagan, who when he left office, left a government much larger than what it was when he entered. ANd that was one of Reagan's big planks when he ran, to reduce government. Hmmm!
Fact is, Trump has had far more success implementing conservative principles as POTUS than any other, despite having nonstop resistance from both Democommies and Republicans. Heck you have Romney and Lee wanting to pass legislation to stop Trump. And those two b*st*rds consider themselves conservative. People better awaken to the fact that Trump with his rough edges may well be the best conservative and effective president we have had in 60 years!
And if it wasn't for the fact the Democommies are total whack jobs, they would find him an easy president to work with, for he does want to produce results, but they are too damn stupid. They choose to be led by the likes of a 29 year old bartender that is their current architect. The GND could not be more idiotic if they tried. There is nothing of merit in that, and they all have endorsed it. At a time of when one party is literally insane, Trump despite constant and unrelenting attack, has remained strong.
With all going on, thank God Trump is as strong a leader as he is!!!!!!!!
Great post! :beer: :patriot:
Thanks for lending such a strong voice in support of President Trump on behalf of the less vocal TBR Trump-Pence supporters, of which there surly are millions! (Would you believe tens of thousands?)
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Some 70 years past Russell Kirk penned the "Conservative Mind", quoting the likes of
Cato the Elder, William of Ockham, Machiavelli, Edmund Burke, to name but a handful.
Their collective thesis was that Principled Conservatism was and remains a body of enduring
precepts involving attitudes, behaviors, values and virtues of human nature, which are totally
independent of economics, of politics, of religion as well as all ideological nostrums.
Now back to the ongoing urinary boxing match!!!
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The Crusades (if you were somewhat referring to them) were mostly defensive in nature. But even so, there have been more killed by godless pushing communist the past 100 years than all the folks killed the previous 19 centuries COMBINED.
@Sighlass
And you dare to call SOMEONE ELSE delusional?????
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@Sighlass
And you dare to call SOMEONE ELSE delusional?????
Can't see where I called you delusional? Anyway like I said, the crusades were "mostly" defensive in nature. No matter what you, Obama or the Washington Post say (I did enjoy reading some of the replies to the WAPO opinion post).
http://www.milesstrenuus.com/2017/08/07/what-is-a-crusade-part-2-a-response-to-matt-gabriele/ (http://www.milesstrenuus.com/2017/08/07/what-is-a-crusade-part-2-a-response-to-matt-gabriele/)
Link to a debate by historians on the subject. 3 out of the 4 for the most part agreed with me... your mileage may vary, but I doubt it should be construed to suggesting I was "delusional" in what I said.
https://apholt.com/2018/04/15/the-first-crusade-as-a-defensive-war-four-historians-respond/ (https://apholt.com/2018/04/15/the-first-crusade-as-a-defensive-war-four-historians-respond/)
@sneakypete
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I would not put it past the democRATs to use Biden as a Trojan horse to get a radical leftist VP into the presidency. Convince Biden to run at the top of the ticket to garner supposed moderates, then resign a few months into his presidency. Probably the only way they can get a president Warren.
Of course that whole scenario depends on Biden's ego and willingness to play along and take one for the team.
I have floated that idea as well.
Biden need not even be in on it.
As much harping on the 25th Amendment as the Dems have done, I am sure that is part of their plan. He might be the most electable face of the bunch, especially if coupled with a minority appearing female to pull in other voting demographics, who would be the real candidate, and after he was tossed, the new veep would be socialist/communist, too.
I may have my issues with Trump, here and there, but I damn sure won't be supporting any Democrat.
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The truth about Islam and the Crusades should anyone care to learn it.
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@sneakypete @Sighlass
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Anyway like I said, the crusades were "mostly" defensive in nature. No matter what you, Obama or the Washington Post say (I did enjoy reading some of the replies to the WAPO opinion post).
@Sighlass
The Christian side of the "Crusades" were mostly fought by the British,who weren't DIRECTLY threatened AT THAT TIME,but that is irrelevant because like today,Islam was out to conquer the whole world,and they were going to be targeted when "their turn came".
The main difference I see between then and today is back then the targets of Islam didn't invite Islams followers to enter their countries legally and set up bases of operations while being fed,clothed,housed,and given spending money by the locals.
The politicians who are allowing,and even promoting this today in exchange for votes and the hope that a Muslim insurgency inside our borders will lead to the voters giving them more power by suspending the Bill of Rights should be put on trial and hanged for treason if found guilty.
Unfortunately,I don't see that happeneing because it seems like at least 75 percent of our politicians are onboard with Islam due to financial connections or party solidarity.
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I would not put it past the democRATs to use Biden as a Trojan horse to get a radical leftist VP into the presidency. Convince Biden to run at the top of the ticket to garner supposed moderates, then resign a few months into his presidency. Probably the only way they can get a president Warren.
Of course that whole scenario depends on Biden's ego and willingness to play along and take one for the team.
@Just_Victor
Biden is no more likely to be willing to "take one for the team" than the Clinton's were. Neither is any other prominent career politician. They have spent their whole lives clawing their way to the to,and don't give a damn for anybody but themselves.
Now,if you are talking about a Slow Joe who can be convinced that is his ONLY way to EVER become President,and that he and his family will be rewarded with billions in stock ownership if he plays the game,he will go along. That way he goes in the history books as having been a President and collects enough money in the bargain to have him and his family set up as Royals who can do anything they want to do and never fear arrest.
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Some 70 years past Russell Kirk penned the "Conservative Mind", quoting the likes of
Cato the Elder, William of Ockham, Machiavelli, Edmund Burke, to name but a handful.
Their collective thesis was that Principled Conservatism was and remains a body of enduring
precepts involving attitudes, behaviors, values and virtues of human nature, which are totally
independent of economics, of politics, of religion as well as all ideological nostrums.
Now back to the ongoing urinary boxing match!!!
@Absalom
No such creature ever existed in public office anywhere but in fevered imaginations.
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The truth about Islam and the Crusades should anyone care to learn it.
Error 404 (Not Found)!!1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y&t=27s#)
@sneakypete @Sighlass
@Bigun
I was well aware of many aspects of the Crusades when I was a child. I have always been very interested in history.
I see the problem today is that too many people in public office seem more interested in scoring political points and positions by "managing Islam" instead of trying to destroy it. Too many others seem to want to protect Islam because it is a "religion",and they fear their own religions will suffer the same fate if they support total destruction.
Islam is NOT a religon. It is a form of Dictatorial Government with the people at the top having total control over EVER aspect of their followers lives. Islam makes Communism and Nazism seem benign by comparison,and MUST be wiped out if individual freedoms are to be saved.
After all,how many centuries has this war been going on,and how long does it take for some people to wake up and see what is before them?
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@Bigun
I was well aware of many aspects of the Crusades when I was a child. I have always been very interested in history.
I see the problem today is that too many people in public office seem more interested in scoring political points and positions by "managing Islam" instead of trying to destroy it. Too many others seem to want to protect Islam because it is a "religion",and they fear their own religions will suffer the same fate if they support total destruction.
Islam is NOT a religon. It is a form of Dictatorial Government with the people at the top having total control over EVER aspect of their followers lives. Islam makes Communism and Nazism seem benign by comparison,and MUST be wiped out if individual freedoms are to be saved.
After all,how many centuries has this war been going on,and how long does it take for some people to wake up and see what is before them?
Well yeah @sneakypete! So why are you arguing with @Sighlass about nature of the Crusades which, in fact, WERE mostly defensive? It is an absolute FACT that the Christian world had been under continuous assault by Islam for more than 400 years before the First Crusade.
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Well yeah @sneakypete! So why are you arguing with @Sighlass about nature of the Crusades which, in fact, WERE mostly defensive? It is an absolute FACT that the Christian world had been under continuous assault by Islam for more than 400 years before the First Crusade.
@Bigun
I'm not. She is trying to make it seem that way because she seems to hate anyone that questions Christianity and sees us as the enemy.
BTW,Martin Luther saved the west from the Catholic version of Islamic domination.The Catholic Church of the Middle Ages was the mirror image of Islam.
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This would only work with a Republican congress.
Give Joe Biden a Democrat-run Congress, and he'll give the Dems everything they want... only for AOC to primary him in 2024 when she's finally eligible because he's not sufficiently socialist.
Give him a Republican Congress and he'll be more pragmatic. See: sequestration.
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@Bigun
I'm not. She is trying to make it seem that way because she seems to hate anyone that questions Christianity and sees us as the enemy.
BTW,Martin Luther saved the west from the Catholic version of Islamic domination.The Catholic Church of the Middle Ages was the mirror image of Islam.
Sorry @sneakypete but pointing out historical facts does not condemn anyone or anything. IMHO the Catholic Church was never remotely comparable to Islam then or now. The Catholic Church does not KILL its former members but Islam definitely will if it can.
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This would only work with a Republican congress.
Give Joe Biden a Democrat-run Congress, and he'll give the Dems everything they want... only for AOC to primary him in 2024 when she's finally eligible because he's not sufficiently socialist.
Give him a Republican Congress and he'll be more pragmatic. See: sequestration.
100% agree. Even Never Trumpers should be motivated to vote for the election of GOP Congresspersons. It is the prudent backstop to thwart socialism no matter how you feel about the President.
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100% agree. Even Never Trumpers should be motivated to vote for the election of GOP Congresspersons. It is the prudent backstop to thwart socialism no matter how you feel about the President.
Don't be ridiculous. Republican-ism is no different. Y'all are arguing about the curtains and the arrangement of the deck chairs...
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Sorry @sneakypete but pointing out historical facts does not condemn anyone or anything. IMHO the Catholic Church was never remotely comparable to Islam then or now. The Catholic Church does not KILL its former members but Islam definitely will if it can.
@Bigun
You obviously know nothing of the true history of the Catholic Church,or The Reformation.
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@Bigun
You obviously know nothing of the true history of the Catholic Church,or The Reformation.
I would wager that I know every bit as much as you do about that @sneakypete. Not going to argue with you about it here.
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@Bigun
I'm not. She is trying to make it seem that way because she seems to hate anyone that questions Christianity and sees us as the enemy.
BTW,Martin Luther saved the west from the Catholic version of Islamic domination.The Catholic Church of the Middle Ages was the mirror image of Islam.
Interesting observation.
Sorry @sneakypete but pointing out historical facts does not condemn anyone or anything. IMHO the Catholic Church was never remotely comparable to Islam then or now. The Catholic Church does not KILL its former members but Islam definitely will if it can.
Well, the Church was known to torture and imprison heretics and those suspected of witchcraft and dominated everyday life of medieval communities.
But, I understand why you suggested that. Let’s just say that the Church has evolved from those barbaric ancient practices and Islam never has.
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Interesting observation.
Well, the Church was known to torture and imprison heretics and those suspected of witchcraft and dominated everyday life of medieval communities.
But, I understand why you suggested that. Let’s just say that the Church has evolved from those barbaric ancient practices and Islam never has.
@aligncare @Bigun
Both statements are very true,aligncare.
Like I wrote earlier,we can thank Martin Luther and many,many unknowns who suffered and were burned at the stake for being "heretics". It's hard to even imagine the heroism it took for Luther,a Priest himself,to stand up to the evils the Church were doing in the name of the Christian God.
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@aligncare @Bigun
Both statements are very true,aligncare.
Like I wrote earlier,we can thank Martin Luther and many,many unknowns who suffered and were burned at the stake for being "heretics". It's hard to even imagine the heroism it took for Luther,a Priest himself,to stand up to the evils the Church were doing in the name of the Christian God.
OK Pete, you are distracting the conversation but answer one thing, without the Catholic Church would Europe have fallen to Islam. I say it would have... so, in my view, all you are doing is siding with Islam as well.
This is not a religion forum but they do exist on the web if one is really interested.
Also, as said before, Atheists basically do not reproduce, more reason to think that with your way Islam wins.
Let alone, all you are saying is some unproven things and some of it was because times were different then. Protestants also burnt people at the stake.
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Enough.
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OK Pete, you are distracting the conversation but answer one thing, without the Catholic Church would Europe have fallen to Islam.
@TomSea
There can be no question about that. The Catholic Church was the only organization that kings and queens feared. They were the equivalent of a medieval world government,and even the kings and queens feared them.
I say it would have... so, in my view, all you are doing is siding with Islam as well.
Yeah,THERE is a rational post with no bias at all,huh?
Why,I am practically an Ayatollah!
What gave me away?
Also, as said before, Atheists basically do not reproduce,
ROFLMAO! Where did THAT brain fart come from?
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16th Century Popes were Never-Trumpers? The things one learns .......
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I'm not sure of all the info in this graph but I saw it the other day, wars involving "other religions" in the history of the world is very small. And most wars have been non-religious.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-DCio68821QY/U-JG7bA83BI/AAAAAAAABPQ/czX1_EFsRiI/s1600/Chart+.+Religious+-+non-religious+wars.jpg)
(https://pics.me.me/religion-is-not-the-1-cause-of-violence-and-war-19480196.png)
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@corbe I understand what you are saying,and while it is true on a theoretical basis the FACT is religious indoctrination is responsible for the political mindset of the Religious Right as Islam is to the Taliban. You can not discuss politics on a level playing field if you can't call them on their dogma.
@sneakypete
@Cyber Liberty
@mystery-ak
One number decides the 2020 Presidential election:
Texas has 38 electoral votes. If the Democrat Party gets those votes, their presidential candidate wins. Cruz barely won his senate seat in 2018. "...by a margin of 50.9 to 48.3 percent; the race was the closest U.S. Senate race in Texas since 1978."
The only state with more electoral votes is California with 55 and those will go to the Democrat.
Once again I say more Democrats came to the Texas 2018 primary that ever in modern history and that was a non-presidential year when people tend to not vote - it is the presidential year that brings out the most voters. I knew what that Democrat primary number meant and it is why Cruz almost lost.
No matter what one's religion is, those Texas 38 electoral votes determines who is the president.
From Wikipedia:
"On Election Day, Cruz narrowly defeated O'Rourke by a margin of 50.9 to 48.3 percent; the race was the closest U.S. Senate race in Texas since 1978. O'Rourke earned over four million votes, surpassing Hillary Clinton's total of 3.87 million in the 2016 election. He received more votes than any other Democrat in Texas history and came closer to winning than any other Democratic U.S. Senate candidate in Texas has since 1988. O'Rourke raised $80 million for the campaign, which is the highest amount ever raised by a U.S. Senate candidate to date."
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Please get this thread back on topic...
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@sneakypete
@Cyber Liberty
@mystery-ak
One number decides the 2020 Presidential election:
Texas has 38 electoral votes. If the Democrat Party gets those votes, their presidential candidate wins. Cruz barely won his senate seat in 2018. "...by a margin of 50.9 to 48.3 percent; the race was the closest U.S. Senate race in Texas since 1978."
The only state with more electoral votes is California with 55 and those will go to the Democrat.
Once again I say more Democrats came to the Texas 2018 primary that ever in modern history and that was a non-presidential year when people tend to not vote - it is the presidential year that brings out the most voters. I knew what that Democrat primary number meant and it is why Cruz almost lost.
No matter what one's religion is, those Texas 38 electoral votes determines who is the president.
From Wikipedia:
"On Election Day, Cruz narrowly defeated O'Rourke by a margin of 50.9 to 48.3 percent; the race was the closest U.S. Senate race in Texas since 1978. O'Rourke earned over four million votes, surpassing Hillary Clinton's total of 3.87 million in the 2016 election. He received more votes than any other Democrat in Texas history and came closer to winning than any other Democratic U.S. Senate candidate in Texas has since 1988. O'Rourke raised $80 million for the campaign, which is the highest amount ever raised by a U.S. Senate candidate to date."
@Victoria33
You really think it comes down to Texas?
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@Victoria33
You really think it comes down to Texas?
@sneakypete
Yes, and others who study these numbers, agree with me - I am not alone with this evaluation.
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@Victoria33
You really think it comes down to Texas?
This coming election I think so...the Dems have their sights on turning Texas blue..
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@sneakypete
Yes, and others who study these numbers, agree with me - I am not alone with this evaluation.
@Victoria33
Ok,thanks. I had no idea,and if that is the case,Trump is in trouble because of all the left-coasters who have moved to Texas from Ca,and all the illegal alien votes.
BTW,I knew ONE section of Texas was in trouble when Cruz almost lost the last election. I just didn't think it was that universal statewide.
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Any Republican candidate for Potus must win Texas. That is NOT a Trump thing.
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@sneakypete
Yes, and others who study these numbers, agree with me - I am not alone with this evaluation.
I agree with @Victoria33 on this too.
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Any Republican candidate for Potus must win Texas. That is NOT a Trump thing.
@truth_seeker
That is true - the problem here is, due to the 2018 numbers, this 2020 election is likely to be the time Texas goes Democrat for many state offices and federal offices, including the presidential office.
I do not want this to happen, but reality is reality, and it may happen.
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@Bigun
I'm not. She is trying to make it seem that way because she seems to hate anyone that questions Christianity and sees us as the enemy.
BTW,Martin Luther saved the west from the Catholic version of Islamic domination.The Catholic Church of the Middle Ages was the mirror image of Islam.
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* So Luther saved the West from the Catholic version of Islam???
I have heard many absurd slanders but this one is uniquely ignorant.
With the fall of Rome in the 5th century, the existence of Roman
Catholicism prevented Europe from collapsing backward into its tribal past.
Men such as Abelard, Aquinas, Bacon, Ockham, Duns Scotus, among dozens,
provided the wisdom that allowed Europe to survive and thrive again; just as
the likes of Aristotle and Plato did in Ancient Greece some 1,500 years earlier.
* Roman Catholicism is a religious system of faith anchored by the spiritual
while Islam is an ideological and political system anchored by the material.
The assertion that they are mirror images is too stupid for words.
* As for Martin Luther, he was a German and Augustinian Monk who chafed
at the influence of the emergent Italian culture on all aspects of Church
behaviors and sensibilities. The Church absorbed some of his ideas and for the
better; yet at his core he was essentially a malcontent all his life.
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Any Republican candidate for Potus must win Texas. That is NOT a Trump thing.
And that’s why...IMO whoever is as the top of the Dem ticket will have Julian Castro as their VP...to try and take Texas.
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* So Luther saved the West from the Catholic version of Islam???
I have heard many absurd slanders but this one is uniquely ignorant.
With the fall of Rome in the 5th century, the existence of Roman
Catholicism prevented Europe from collapsing backward into its tribal past.
Men such as Abelard, Aquinas, Bacon, Ockham, Duns Scotus, among dozens,
provided the wisdom that allowed Europe to survive and thrive again; just as
the likes of Aristotle and Plato did in Ancient Greece some 1,500 years earlier.
* Roman Catholicism is a religious system of faith anchored by the spiritual
while Islam is an ideological and political system anchored by the material.
The assertion that they are mirror images is too stupid for words.
* As for Martin Luther, he was a German and Augustinian Monk who chafed
at the influence of the emergent Italian culture on all aspects of Church
behaviors and sensibilities. The Church absorbed some of his ideas and for the
better; yet at his core he was essentially a malcontent all his life.
@Absalom
Go tongue wrestle with a priest. The Catholic Church is one of the most evil institutions since the dawn of history,fully matching Islam in all it's horrors.
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And that’s why...IMO whoever is as the top of the Dem ticket will have Julian Castro as their VP...to try and take Texas.
@txradioguy
I am only vaguely familiar with Julian Castro. Mostly name recognition. Where does he stand,generally,when it comes to being conservative? Left,right,or somewhere in the middle,leaning more one way than the other?
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Pete asks:
"I am only vaguely familiar with Julian Castro. Mostly name recognition. Where does he stand,generally,when it comes to being conservative? Left,right,or somewhere in the middle,leaning more one way than the other?"
His last name tells you everything you need to know about him.
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Lee Ann Womack - Sunday
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Not on a Sunday, @sneakypete
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Pete asks:
"I am only vaguely familiar with Julian Castro. Mostly name recognition. Where does he stand,generally,when it comes to being conservative? Left,right,or somewhere in the middle,leaning more one way than the other?"
His last name tells you everything you need to know about him.
@Fishrrman
It tells me nothing. I have had friends with similar names that were VERY conservative.
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@Absalom
Go tongue wrestle with a priest. The Catholic Church is one of the most evil institutions since the dawn of history,fully matching Islam in all it's horrors.
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All are entitled to their opinions w/the caveat they be anchored
in reality; otherwise they are little more than ignorant rants.
Labeling the "Catholic Church an evil institution since the dawn
of history, fully matching Islam in it's horrors"; is a frenzied
slander that says everything about you rather than the Church.
Nothing further!!!
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@Fishrrman
It tells me nothing. I have had friends with similar names that were VERY conservative.
This one isn't. If that's possible, he's worse than Robert Francis.
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This one isn't. If that's possible, he's worse than Robert Francis.
@Bigun
If that is true he's not going to get much traction. Trump can't run again after 2020,so whoever his VP is will be holding the top spot going into the next primary,and there is not one chance in hell of him winning a primary. Not even after starting out at the top.
Unless of course he lies until he is sworn in,but we all know a politician would never do that,right?
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And that’s why...IMO whoever is as the top of the Dem ticket will have Julian Castro as their VP...to try and take Texas.
@txradioguy
@Cyber Liberty
@mystery-ak
I had not thought that far - txradio you are right, the Dem National Committee and the candidate will decide to do this: Dem candidate takes Castro early as VP choice to sway more Texas votes to the Dem in the general election. When Castro is chosen early, he covers the state of Texas, likely doing what Beto did - go to every county in Texas, 254 counties. That is the main reason Beto almost beat Cruz and the Dem National Committee gave him the money to do it.
Remember, the Dem National Committee is the power source, the consulting source to devise the plan to win, plus they have money to add to the money the candidate brings in.
It should work that way with the Republican National Committee advising the candidate, but Trump does it his way so count the advising out, but they will still give him money they bring in. Trump/Pence must cover Texas as the Dems will do. I don't think Pence will go to every county as Castro will, so expect numerous Texas rallies planned in certain towns/cities, to bring in people from the surrounding counties. They would do well to work with the Texas State Republican Party to devise a plan - not sure Trump would do that. The Texas State Democrat Party, in the past, has been almost non-existent since all State Offices have been Republican for so long - advantage Republicans in that regard.
Will study this more as we come closer to the serious campaigning plans.
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VP Pence will be so tainted by 2024 it won't matter, it's all over.
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@aligncare @Bigun
Both statements are very true,aligncare.
Like I wrote earlier,we can thank Martin Luther and many,many unknowns who suffered and were burned at the stake for being "heretics". It's hard to even imagine the heroism it took for Luther,a Priest himself,to stand up to the evils the Church were doing in the name of the Christian God.
Why don't you give Cromwell a hat tip too?
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@Absalom
Go tongue wrestle with a priest. The Catholic Church is one of the most evil institutions since the dawn of history,fully matching Islam in all it's horrors.
The Catholics massacred 90,000 Hindus in a day?
News to me.
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@txradioguy
I am only vaguely familiar with Julian Castro. Mostly name recognition. Where does he stand,generally,when it comes to being conservative? Left,right,or somewhere in the middle,leaning more one way than the other?
He is the guy that said the government should pay for men to have abortions. He later clarified that he meant transgender men. He supports reparations for slavery. He wants to abolish capital punishment. He wants to legalize marijuana. He wants everyone to have 2 free years of higher education and give tax credits to teachers. He supports green energy and a carbon tax. He wants to eliminate the electoral college. He wants to ban assault weapons and buyback guns. He wants Medicare for all. He wants no physical border wall and amnesty for illegals already in the country. He wants to raise minimum wage to $15.
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Why don't you give Cromwell a hat tip too?
@Smokin Joe
I would be happy to do so if I could remember anything he did.
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He is the guy that said the government should pay for men to have abortions. He later clarified that he meant transgender men.
@Lilamb
I am certainly glad he cleared THAT up!
Suddenly,Uncle Joe Biden ain't looking all that stoopid.
He wants everyone to have 2 free years of higher education and give tax credits to teachers.
IMNSHO,EVERY American citizen should have "free" tuition in any pubic school he or she meets the qualifications to attend. Win/win situation for everyone because anyone to takes advantage of this will earn more and pay more in taxes. Also,public schools are kept going by tax dollars,so why SHOULDN'T tax payers be able to attend them without having to pay additional money?
Other than that,that boy is giving retards a bad reputation.
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@Smokin Joe
I would be happy to do so if I could remember anything he did.
Let's tickle your memories.....https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofEngland/Dissolution-of-the-Monasteries/ (https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofEngland/Dissolution-of-the-Monasteries/)
An ecclesiastical purge, against the Catholics in England. How, well, Islamic.
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Let's tickle your memories.....https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofEngland/Dissolution-of-the-Monasteries/ (https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofEngland/Dissolution-of-the-Monasteries/)
An ecclesiastical purge, against the Catholics in England. How, well, Islamic.
@Smokin Joe
No,how sane. Islam and Catholicism were competitors and had much in common,including executing or enslaving non-believers.
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@Smokin Joe
No,how sane. Islam and Catholicism were competitors and had much in common,including executing or enslaving non-believers.
Islam and Catholicism have absolutely nothing in common and never did until very recently with the current Pope's antics.
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Islam and Catholicism have absolutely nothing in common and never did until very recently with the current Pope's antics.
@Bigun
Two words,"History Books".
Tip. Look for books with titles like "The Reformation".
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@Bigun
Two words,"History Books".
Tip. Look for books with titles like "The Reformation".
@sneakypete I would venture a guess that I have read more of those kinds of books than you have ever seen. You, like everyone else, are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts.
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@sneakypete I would venture a guess that I have read more of those kinds of books than you have ever seen. You, like everyone else, are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts.
@Bigun
That "KIND of books"?????
Try reading the actual books,not the Catholic propaganda.
Or are you actually trying to claim the religious courts didn't exist,and they didn't do charming little things like boil suspected non-believers in pots of oil,burn them at the stake,or tie them up and then throw them in the river and allow the river to prove their guilt or innocence,because "God wouldn't allow the innocent to drown"?
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@sneakypete I would venture a guess that I have read more of those kinds of books than you have ever seen. You, like everyone else, are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts.
Engaging this AH troll will only get your blood pressure up. He feeds on that.
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Engaging this AH troll will only get your blood pressure up. He feeds on that.
@catfish1957
Unlike ignorant fools,I thrive of facts instead of superstition. Show me some facts,Bubba.
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@Smokin Joe
No,how sane. Islam and Catholicism were competitors and had much in common,including executing or enslaving non-believers.
Then the Protestants came along, starting with Henry VIII (so he could justify his bastards), burned the monasteries, executed the clerics, took land and wealth, and generally one-upped even the Muslims in England.
I get it pete, for whatever reason you hate the Catholics even more than the Muslims, if you call the two equals in any way. Watch the video linked up thread to clear up your misconceptions about Catholics vs Jihad.
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Then the Protestants came along, starting with Henry VIII (so he could justify his bastards), burned the monasteries, executed the clerics, took land and wealth, and generally one-upped even the Muslims in England.
I get it pete, for whatever reason you hate the Catholics even more than the Muslims, if you call the two equals in any way. Watch the video linked up thread to clear up your misconceptions about Catholics vs Jihad.
@sneakypete isn't about to watch that video @Smokin Joe as it would debunk his preconceived notions and he won't stand for that.
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@sneakypete isn't about to watch that video @Smokin Joe as it would debunk his preconceived notions and he won't stand for that.
It's unfortunate, because that video pretty much lays out the whole historical deal. By claiming the Catholics are as bad as the Muslims, he might as well suck up the whole Bushite "Religion of Peace" line, too. How bloody ironic.
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I get it pete, for whatever reason you hate the Catholics even more than the Muslims,
@Bigun
Not true. I hate them equally because I see them as being equal dangers to individual freedoms.
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It's unfortunate, because that video pretty much lays out the whole historical deal. By claiming the Catholics are as bad as the Muslims, he might as well suck up the whole Bushite "Religion of Peace" line, too. How bloody ironic.
@Smokin Joe
Try opening your mind to the point where you can compare the history and deeds of both,and then get back to me on that one.
In FACT,the Catholic Church is working hard even today to destroy our country and our way of life by encouraging and even paying the way for illegal aliens from Catholic Countries to immigrate to America and get on public aid.
The Muslims are attacking us with weapons,and the Catholics are attacking us using our own money. The goal of both is to take over total control.
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It's unfortunate, because that video pretty much lays out the whole historical deal. By claiming the Catholics are as bad as the Muslims, he might as well suck up the whole Bushite "Religion of Peace" line, too. How bloody ironic.
:yowsa: that's how it is.
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Gentlemen, the topic is "Never Trump Republicans plotting to back Biden". Please discontinue "Religion Wars".
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@Smokin Joe
Try opening your mind to the point where you can compare the history and deeds of both,and then get back to me on that one.
I have. Now pull your head out of the satanist/Communist anti Catholic history you've been taught long enough to consider the 1400 (and ongoing) years of beheadings and territorial conquest of the Muslims and tell me where catholics have EVER murdered 90,000 people in a day. Get your head on straight and look at the facts. Watch that video, it's worth the time.
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I have. Now pull your head out of the satanist/Communist anti Catholic history you've been taught long enough to consider the 1400 (and ongoing) years of beheadings and territorial conquest of the Muslims and tell me where catholics have EVER murdered 90,000 people in a day.
@Smokin Joe
ROFLAMO! Calling ME a communist is hilarious and proves you are desperate.
So does your claim that Muslims murdered 90,000 people in one day,and that compared to that Catholics only murdered a tiny amount of people in one day.
BTW,Catholics are still a bigger danger to America than Muslims. For one thing,the Kennedy Klan and their supporters ain't Muslims. For another,the Catholics have been at it for centuries,and they were smuggling illegals into the US from Mexico decades ago. Mostly because the people from south of the border tend to be Catholics,and will contribute some of their welfare checks to the coffer if they want to go to Heaven. Otherwise,Hay-Zues and hiz daddy will fry their asses!
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@Smokin Joe
ROFLAMO! Calling ME a communist is hilarious and proves you are desperate.
So does your claim that Muslims murdered 90,000 people in one day,and that compared to that Catholics only murdered a tiny amount of people in one day.
BTW,Catholics are still a bigger danger to America than Muslims. For one thing,the Kennedy Klan and their supporters ain't Muslims. For another,the Catholics have been at it for centuries,and they were smuggling illegals into the US from Mexico decades ago. Mostly because the people from south of the border tend to be Catholics,and will contribute some of their welfare checks to the coffer if they want to go to Heaven. Otherwise,Hay-Zues and hiz daddy will fry their asses!
I didn't call you a communist, but you are reading only what you want to.
I'll just add you to the long list of horses who have been brought to water and left thirsty.
If you think the muslims aren't a threat, let me remind you it wasn't the Catholics who brought down the twin towers and are leaving prayer rugs and such on the trails from the southern border. The Muslims are continuing their 1400 year tradition of jihad, and they aren't slowing down here. For some reason, Catholics haven't been chopping off heads much lately, but the Muslims just never stopped.
As for all those religious sounding organizations bringing in illegals and "refugees", the Devil can have them all, regardless of whether they are Catholic sounding, have "Lutheran" in the name (little Mogadishu), or one of those other outfits with a churchy sounding name sucking at the government teat for a few grand a head to bring 'em in and set them up on welfare. None of them are doing this Country any favors. Regardless of their profit motive, however, the Muslims are here to conquer this place (and working on the rest of the world, too), and they dangnear have Europe.
If you'd just watch the video, you'd have the Muslim part of this laid out nicely, (downplayed by media, even when they shoot up a bunch of people), often neatly edited out of the history books (especially nowadays) or downplayed by the milquetoasts teaching history who don't want to 'offend' anyone.