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Houston Chronicle by Nicole Hensley and Brooke A. Lewis July 29, 2020
Houston doctor behind hydroxychloroquine drug video was sued in Louisiana woman’s death
The Houston-based doctor behind a viral video on the controversial hydroxychloroquine drug — which was then shared by President Donald Trump — was sued in January for medical malpractice in which a woman died after being in her care, according to Louisiana court records.
The lawsuit takes aim at Stella Grace Immanuel, a licensed medical practitioner and preacher whose contentious promotion of the anti-viral drug for COVID-19 treatment has received national notoriety. She holds licenses in Texas and Louisiana, where she and another doctor treated a woman in 2019 after she complained of a broken needle in her arm. The woman, identified in the suit as Leslie Norvell, explained to them at the Sabine Medical Center in Many that she had been doing an illegal drug and that a piece of the needle broke off in her arm.
Immanuel and the second doctor prescribed her an unspecified medication but did not order a closer look at her arm through an X-ray or other medical tests, the suit states. Norvell went home and, because of the pain, sought help hours later from a hospital in Shreveport, where a surgeon removed the needle. Six days later, Norvell died.
More: https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/houston-doctor-drug-viral-video-sued-louisiana-15443105.php (https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/houston-doctor-drug-viral-video-sued-louisiana-15443105.php)
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Was just reading another article about Dr. Immanuel. Sounded like a real whack-a-doodle.
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... sought help hours later ...
IOW, Stella Grace Immanuel's actions were irrelevant to the woman's death. And if "licensed medical practitioner" means she is not a doctor, that means she probably was not the one who made the decision. This reeks of SLAPP, and the Chron's inclusion of this irrelevancy, "and preacher," is anti-religious bait.
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IOW, Stella Grace Immanuel's actions were irrelevant to the woman's death. And if "licensed medical practitioner" means she is not a doctor, that means she probably was not the one who made the decision. This reeks of SLAPP, and the Chron's inclusion of this irrelevancy, "and preacher," is anti-religious bait.
The article says that Dr. Immanuel and another doctor treated this woman initially, but did not order xrays or try to remove the broken needle. The woman sough help hours later after she had gone home from the doctor's and the pain allegedly intensified. It was then that a surgeon removed the needle from her arm.
As to Dr. Immanuel's medical status, apparently, she is a licensed pediatrician:
Stella Gwandiku-Ambe Immanuel was born in 1965 in Cameroon.[4] She reported an interest in becoming a doctor from the age of four.[5] Immanuel attended Cameroon Protestant College, a secondary school in Bali, Cameroon. She graduated from the Nigerian medical school at University of Calabar in 1990 and moved to the United States in 1992.[6][5] Immanuel completed a pediatric residency at Bronx-Lebanon Hospital Center in New York City.[5]
Immanuel began her career at the Paediatric Clinic in Louisiana.[6] In December 1998, she began practicing at the Southern Pediatric Clinic in Alexandria, Louisiana. In February 1999, she joined the General Pediatric Care Clinic as a pediatrician.[5] In 2006, she owned the Rapha Medical and Therapeutic Clinic in Louisiana.[6] She is a registered physician in Texas with an active medical license from the Texas Medical Board.[7][8] In 2019, she began working for Rehoboth Medical Center in Houston, which she also owns.[6] Immanuel is the founder of Fire Power Ministries and host of a radio and television show entitled Fire Power. She is a self-described "wealth transfer coach", and has authored several books as part of her Occupying Force series. She has been an outspoken supporter of Donald Trump, and long-time critic of "unmarried couples living together, homosexuality, bestiality, polygamy" and so-called "homosexual terrorism".[6][9][10]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stella_Immanuel
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IOW, Stella Grace Immanuel's actions were irrelevant to the woman's death. And if "licensed medical practitioner" means she is not a doctor, that means she probably was not the one who made the decision. This reeks of SLAPP, and the Chron's inclusion of this irrelevancy, "and preacher," is anti-religious bait.
Guerrilla journalism. The doctors past history has nothing to do with the video the left is so desperate to censor.
The left are determined to shitcan hydroxychloroquine no matter how many lives it could possibly save. They’re willing to fight for the White House to the last drop of our blood.
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Guerrilla journalism. The doctors past history has nothing to do with the video the left is so desperate to censor.
The left are determined to shitcan hydroxychloroquine no matter how many lives it could possibly save. They’re willing to fight for the White House to the last drop of our blood.
Agree. People still die, WITH or WITHOUT a doctor.... WITH or WITHOUT ..health insurance. Why, aren't they going after the surgeon? HE was the last to administer aid to her. BTW. It just sounds like the I.V. needle, one has when in hospital.
I say, the woman died from her illegal drug use and maybe becoming septic after surgery. THAT IS MY OPINION. Just musing on here. I DON'T KNOW. I didn't read the article.
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Guerrilla journalism. The doctors past history has nothing to do with the video the left is so desperate to censor.
The left are determined to shitcan hydroxychloroquine no matter how many lives it could possibly save. They’re willing to fight for the White House to the last drop of our blood.
May I suggest you read this:
Doctor retweeted by Trump has warned of alien DNA, sex with demons
But Immanuel, who is a licensed physician in Texas, according to the Texas Medical Board, has previously claimed on YouTube and in articles on her website that gynecological problems, such as endometriosis, cysts and infertility, are caused by individuals having sex with demons and witches in their dreams.
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Immanuel has said in sermons on YouTube that widespread gynecological issues are caused by sexual contact with “spirit husbands†and “spirit wives.â€
Immanuel said in a 2015 sermon that alien DNA is used in medical treatments. In another 2015 sermon, she claimed that researchers are currently working on a vaccine to prevent individuals from being religious.
In the same 2015 sermon in which she referenced alien DNA, she said the government is run by “reptilians,†not humans.
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/509421-doctor-retweeted-by-trump-has-warned-of-alien-dna-sex-with
Yeah. I know. It's the Hill, so it's fake news. *****rollingeyes*****
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Did Trump re-T the doctor's comments about sex with demons? Or was The Hill playing a disingenuous guilt-by-association game?
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Did Trump re-T the doctor's comments about sex with demons? Or was The Hill playing a disingenuous guilt-by-association game?
What I get from the article is that anything Dr. Immanuel claims or recommends with regard to COVID should be viewed with suspicion because of her past claims and theories. The woman is whacko and I sure as hell wouldn't trust her judgment on anything.
I also read somewhere that Trump called Dr. Immanuel "an important voice" as to COVID. Yet when asked about her, he said he didn't know her. I don't know how anyone could recommend someone whiteout knowing anything about them.
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... Yet when asked about her, he said he didn't know her. I don't know how anyone could recommend someone whiteout knowing anything about them.
Ummmm, I recommend all sorts of authors, scientists, etc. without knowing them personally. If you go into electronics, I strongly recommend you learn Ohm's and Watts' Law, thoroughly, but I never met them. For teaching one's children to read, I strongly recommend a book by Siegfried Engelmann, Phyllis Haddox, and Elaine Bruner, but I've never met any of them. Have you met many (any?) of your favorite writers whom you recommend to others? I don't think you thought that comment through.
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May I suggest you read this:
Doctor retweeted by Trump has warned of alien DNA, sex with demons
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/509421-doctor-retweeted-by-trump-has-warned-of-alien-dna-sex-with
Yeah. I know. It's the Hill, so it's fake news. *****rollingeyes*****
The Hill is a rag, but that has nothing to do with the cheap non sequitur they're employing here.
Hydroxychloroquine was spoken highly of by Trump, therefore must be discredited by all means. **nononono*
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The Hill is a rag, but that has nothing to do with the cheap non sequitur they're employing here.
Hydroxychloroquine was spoken highly of by Trump, therefore must be discredited by all means. **nononono*
Bovine excrement. The ones who are touting this drug cannot be relied upon. That is the point of the Hill article.
And as an aside, I looked at the drug to see if it would be safe for me. Having several health issues and already taking meds, I have to be careful about what drugs I take. Turns out that Hydro is not safe for someone like me. It's like any other drug -- they all have the potential for side effects, contraindication or drug interactions. In my case, taking Hydro would likely exacerbate the heart problems I already have. I believe there was one study that had to be halted because the subjects taking the drug developed heart abnormalities that could be fatal.
These complaints that doctors won't use or prescribe Hydro because they would rather use more expensive treatments are ludicrous. I've been with my doctors for a lot of years. I'm reasonably sure that because they know my health history, current health and the medication I take, they would not want to use Hydro on me. And based on what I've learned about the drug, I wouldn't want them to
I have to wonder what motivation is behind these doctors willingly breaking their Hippocratic Oath by pushing a drug they have to know may not be safe. Some of these so-called medical experts are actually telling people to demand Hydro and if the doctor won't prescribe it, to find a doctor who will or get the drug from some other, possibly illegal source. That is wrong on so many levels. I believe we are going to end up with a whole lot of people dying because they heeded these so-called experts and took a drug that harmed them.
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Bovine excrement. The ones who are touting this drug cannot be relied upon. That is the point of the Hill article.
Where is your bovine excrement on the other "ones" in the video --- you know the other practicing physicians who testified to the success of HCL/Zinc among their patients?
While you wait breathlessly for the next installment from The Hill I respectfully suggest you investigate "the cancel culture"? This bit of news appears to have passed you by @Applewood
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Bovine excrement. The ones who are touting this drug cannot be relied upon. That is the point of the Hill article.
And as an aside, I looked at the drug to see if it would be safe for me. Having several health issues and already taking meds, I have to be careful about what drugs I take. Turns out that Hydro is not safe for someone like me. It's like any other drug -- they all have the potential for side effects, contraindication or drug interactions. In my case, taking Hydro would likely exacerbate the heart problems I already have. I believe there was one study that had to be halted because the subjects taking the drug developed heart abnormalities that could be fatal.
These complaints that doctors won't use or prescribe Hydro because they would rather use more expensive treatments are ludicrous. I've been with my doctors for a lot of years. I'm reasonably sure that because they know my health history, current health and the medication I take, they would not want to use Hydro on me. And based on what I've learned about the drug, I wouldn't want them to
I have to wonder what motivation is behind these doctors willingly breaking their Hippocratic Oath by pushing a drug they have to know may not be safe. Some of these so-called medical experts are actually telling people to demand Hydro and if the doctor won't prescribe it, to find a doctor who will or get the drug from some other, possibly illegal source. That is wrong on so many levels. I believe we are going to end up with a whole lot of people dying because they heeded these so-called experts and took a drug that harmed them.
Why would you deny a drug that many studies have shown is ‘efficacious’ and may be helpful to someone else because it’s not right for you?
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Why would you deny a drug that many studies have shown is ‘efficacious’ and may be helpful to someone else because it’s not right for you?
Yes ,you are using common sense. Not allowed. All drugs have side effects. Even baby aspirin. If one is dying from 'covid complications, I would take HYDRO, ANTIBIOTIC & ZINC to give me a chance of survival. Hydro used for over 70 years. OTC in Africa. It is used for arthritis and Lupus for some. SAFELY. Already FDA approved. Viagra, was NOT an erection drug. That is a SIDE EFFECT...from its original intent. My 90 year old, used to complain, his STATIN, gives him a woody. Difficult to urinate.
The sildenafil compound was originally developed by Pfizer for the treatment of hypertension (high blood pressure) and angina pectoris (chest pain due to heart disease). During the heart clinical trials, researchers discovered that the drug was more effective at inducing erections than treating angina.
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This "scary" article sounds like the rest of my medications as far as side effects go.
https://www.drugs.com/hydroxychloroquine.html (https://www.drugs.com/hydroxychloroquine.html)
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The Hill is a rag, but that has nothing to do with the cheap non sequitur they're employing here.
Hydroxychloroquine was spoken highly of by Trump, therefore must be discredited by all means. **nononono*
888high58888 :kisses2:
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This "scary" article sounds like the rest of my medications as far as side effects go.
https://www.drugs.com/hydroxychloroquine.html (https://www.drugs.com/hydroxychloroquine.html)
BINGO!
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Why would you deny a drug that many studies have shown is ‘efficacious’ and may be helpful to someone else because it’s not right for you?
Many other studies have shown no effect—while its safety is not in dispute (after 65 years that much is clear), its efficacy is unclear because the evidence is conflicting so much. You haven't seen death rates spike in areas where HCQ's usage has been curtailed.
Plus the addition of antibiotics to the regimen adds a layer of risk of drug interactions when it is known that antibiotics have no effect on viruses. HCQ and a z-pack may be safe individually, but together (and/or misused) they could cause problems, and there is some evidence that the anti-inflammatory effects may be better achieved with steroids like dexamethasone (a study out of Michigan showed impressive promise for an HCQ-dexamethasone combination).
But so far, this HCQ-Zpack-zinc combo has been promoted mainly through Youtube videos hawked by sketchy "doctors" as opposed to vetted research. Zelenko has known ties to fraudster Jerome Corsi and Immanuel, as previously noted, is essentially a faith healer. Raoult's credentials are stronger but his preliminary study had major flaws, most glaringly a lack of a control.
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Guerrilla journalism. The doctors past history has nothing to do with the video the left is so desperate to censor.
The left are determined to shitcan hydroxychloroquine no matter how many lives it could possibly save. They’re willing to fight for the White House to the last drop of our blood.
Leave it to you to get to the heart of the matter @skeeter She might have been sued a dozen time in the past but none of that has any bearing on what she said in the video. Not one damned bit.
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May I suggest you read this:
Doctor retweeted by Trump has warned of alien DNA, sex with demons
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/509421-doctor-retweeted-by-trump-has-warned-of-alien-dna-sex-with
Yeah. I know. It's the Hill, so it's fake news. *****rollingeyes*****
Fake news or not, what the hell does any of that have to do with the efficy of HCQ for Covid? I'll tell you! NOTHING!
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Leave it to you to get to the heart of the matter @skeeter She might have been sued a dozen time in the past but none of that has any bearing on what she said in the video. Not one damned bit.
ive never seen anything like it @Bigun. This TDS is now literally putting lives at risk.
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ive never seen anything like it @Bigun. This TDS is now literally putting lives at risk.
Here's a link to a video the same doctors made.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/28/watch-live-silenced-frontline-doctors-hold-capitol-hill-press-conference-to-challenge-big-tech/?fbclid=IwAR3tXjLw2uRjsaOhYdL8zpk4ELuSWrDwSeSGs8ymFpsUp-DUwle8rsbhbvQ (https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/07/28/watch-live-silenced-frontline-doctors-hold-capitol-hill-press-conference-to-challenge-big-tech/?fbclid=IwAR3tXjLw2uRjsaOhYdL8zpk4ELuSWrDwSeSGs8ymFpsUp-DUwle8rsbhbvQ)
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888high58888 :kisses2:
:headbang:
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Why would you deny a drug that many studies have shown is ‘efficacious’ and may be helpful to someone else because it’s not right for you?
Hydro has not been definitely proven to be effective against CVID. For every study or claim that it is effective, there are others which say it isn't and some that say it could cause more harm than good.
By the way I'm not the only one who could die if this drug was administered. These doctors and so-called experts (among them a discredited researcher and a pediatrician who deals in whacked conspiracy theories) are doing everyone a disservice by pushing a drug that has not been proven to be effective and may actually be harmful to a significant segment of the population.
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Many other studies have shown no effect—while its safety is not in dispute (after 65 years that much is clear), its efficacy is unclear because the evidence is conflicting so much. You haven't seen death rates spike in areas where HCQ's usage has been curtailed.
Plus the addition of antibiotics to the regimen adds a layer of risk of drug interactions when it is known that antibiotics have no effect on viruses. HCQ and a z-pack may be safe individually, but together (and/or misused) they could cause problems, and there is some evidence that the anti-inflammatory effects may be better achieved with steroids like dexamethasone (a study out of Michigan showed impressive promise for an HCQ-dexamethasone combination).
But so far, this HCQ-Zpack-zinc combo has been promoted mainly through Youtube videos hawked by sketchy "doctors" as opposed to vetted research. Zelenko has known ties to fraudster Jerome Corsi and Immanuel, as previously noted, is essentially a faith healer. Raoult's credentials are stronger but his preliminary study had major flaws, most glaringly a lack of a control.
Thanks for the info. We’ll have to see how ongoing studies shake out. It’s too damn bad everything has been so f’ing politicized it’s hard to know who to believe.
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Hydro has not been definitely proven to be effective against CVID. For every study or claim that it is effective, there are others which say it isn't and some that say it could cause more harm than good.
By the way I'm not the only one who could die if this drug was administered. These doctors and so-called experts (among them a discredited researcher and a pediatrician who deals in whacked conspiracy theories) are doing everyone a disservice by pushing a drug that has not been proven to be effective and may actually be harmful to a significant segment of the population.
More bovine fecal matter!
Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread (https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-422X-2-69)
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Quote from: jmyrlefuller on Today at 09:25:00 PM
Many other studies have shown no effect—while its safety is not in dispute (after 65 years that much is clear), its efficacy is unclear because the evidence is conflicting so much. You haven't seen death rates spike in areas where HCQ's usage has been curtailed.
Plus the addition of antibiotics to the regimen adds a layer of risk of drug interactions when it is known that antibiotics have no effect on viruses. HCQ and a z-pack may be safe individually, but together (and/or misused) they could cause problems, and there is some evidence that the anti-inflammatory effects may be better achieved with steroids like dexamethasone (a study out of Michigan showed impressive promise for an HCQ-dexamethasone combination)
But so far, this HCQ-Zpack-zinc combo has been promoted mainly through Youtube videos hawked by sketchy "doctors" as opposed to vetted research. Zelenko has known ties to fraudster Jerome Corsi and Immanuel, as previously noted, is essentially a faith healer. Raoult's credentials are stronger but his preliminary study had major flaws, most glaringly a lack of a control.
SKEETER;
Thanks for the info. We’ll have to see how ongoing studies shake out. It’s too damn bad everything has been so f’ing politicized it’s hard to know who to believe.
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Don't believe JIMY. Jerome Corsi...is Ok. They tried to get him to lie about TRUMP, and he is suing DEEP STATE. Antibiotic is NOT for COVID. It is for the bacteria in the lungs, created from covid. ZINC..allows cells to 'open' and allow in medication. One gets pneumonia from covid. LUNG ISSUE. Antibiotic's help kill bacteria. The hydro, is for covid. The 3 combo, has saved many lives.
Use google to find all kind of information on CORSI.
Jerome Corsi suing Amazon’s Jeff Bezos, Washington Post and Mueller. 1 year ago
Fox Business
Conservative author Jerome Corsi discusses how he is suing Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos, The Washington Post and special counsel ...
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More bovine fecal matter!
Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread (https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-422X-2-69)
:thumbsup:
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More bovine fecal matter!
Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread (https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-422X-2-69)
And like I said, there are others that say the drug is not effective and may actually be harmful.
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Many other studies have shown no effect—while its safety is not in dispute (after 65 years that much is clear), its efficacy is unclear because the evidence is conflicting so much. You haven't seen death rates spike in areas where HCQ's usage has been curtailed.
Plus the addition of antibiotics to the regimen adds a layer of risk of drug interactions when it is known that antibiotics have no effect on viruses. HCQ and a z-pack may be safe individually, but together (and/or misused) they could cause problems, and there is some evidence that the anti-inflammatory effects may be better achieved with steroids like dexamethasone (a study out of Michigan showed impressive promise for an HCQ-dexamethasone combination).
But so far, this HCQ-Zpack-zinc combo has been promoted mainly through Youtube videos hawked by sketchy "doctors" as opposed to vetted research. Zelenko has known ties to fraudster Jerome Corsi and Immanuel, as previously noted, is essentially a faith healer. Raoult's credentials are stronger but his preliminary study had major flaws, most glaringly a lack of a control.
@jmyrlefuller
Yeah, this is about where I stand, I don't think this drug really pushes the needle one direction or the other. I have seen studies that say this and that and really it is a crapshoot if you ask me (except possible side effects that may complicate things futher)... Right now, I would not risk taking it. Trump is no more a doctor than I am, and I certainly am not taking medical advice from him.
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Guerrilla journalism. The doctors past history has nothing to do with the video the left is so desperate to censor.
The left are determined to shitcan hydroxychloroquine no matter how many lives it could possibly save. They’re willing to fight for the White House to the last drop of our blood.
Correct. Independent events. No mention of the patient's culpability for using illegal iv drugs...
Seems to me the primary responsibility lies right there. If it took several days to die from a bit of needle removed fro her arm, then maybe something else was at play.
(My daughter spent over a month with a needle stuck in her arm (in ICU) and got better.)
A few hours with a piece of (medical) metal should not have been fatal, especially days later. Maybe a case of "cottonball fever" from the illicit injection that put the bit of needle there in the first place? A little something extra picked up in the syringe? Less than sterile injection site? Perhaps a dash of MRSA from the hospital itself?
Over 100,000 people die every year through "medical misadventure".
As of 2016, there were over 950,000 practicing physicians in the United States. 93% have an MD degree, and 76% were educated in the United States.source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physicians_in_the_United_States)
This is aimed at undermining her credentials to get at the drug regimen and discredit that.
As for that patient,
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The article says that Dr. Immanuel and another doctor treated this woman initially, but did not order xrays or try to remove the broken needle. The woman sough help hours later after she had gone home from the doctor's and the pain allegedly intensified. It was then that a surgeon removed the needle from her arm.
As to Dr. Immanuel's medical status, apparently, she is a licensed pediatrician:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stella_Immanuel
THe article further says: Knadler said Norvell died following a life-threatening infection and that her mother sought a medical malpractice panel in the case. Norvell had been using methamphetamine and her arm became infected because of the embedded needle fragment, according to documents that Knadler provided. Norvell then developed a flesh-eating disease from the wound. She died Feb. 5 of that year, the panel request reads.
Seems to me, if she had the bacteria (Vibrio vulnificus) in there and they were not community acquired from the removal operation, it is unlikely that a prompt removal would have changed the outcome. She was already infected. Meth use seems to be the problem here (and who breaks off a needle in good shape shooting meth? Sounds like the needle was pretty sketchy, too.)
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Bovine excrement. The ones who are touting this drug cannot be relied upon. That is the point of the Hill article.
And as an aside, I looked at the drug to see if it would be safe for me. Having several health issues and already taking meds, I have to be careful about what drugs I take. Turns out that Hydro is not safe for someone like me. It's like any other drug -- they all have the potential for side effects, contraindication or drug interactions. In my case, taking Hydro would likely exacerbate the heart problems I already have. I believe there was one study that had to be halted because the subjects taking the drug developed heart abnormalities that could be fatal.
These complaints that doctors won't use or prescribe Hydro because they would rather use more expensive treatments are ludicrous. I've been with my doctors for a lot of years. I'm reasonably sure that because they know my health history, current health and the medication I take, they would not want to use Hydro on me. And based on what I've learned about the drug, I wouldn't want them to
I have to wonder what motivation is behind these doctors willingly breaking their Hippocratic Oath by pushing a drug they have to know may not be safe. Some of these so-called medical experts are actually telling people to demand Hydro and if the doctor won't prescribe it, to find a doctor who will or get the drug from some other, possibly illegal source. That is wrong on so many levels. I believe we are going to end up with a whole lot of people dying because they heeded these so-called experts and took a drug that harmed them.
I read that Chloraquine gives nasty heart palpitations, but did not know that the HydroxyC did.
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I read that Chloraquine gives nasty heart palpitations, but did not know that the HydroxyC did.
Lethal dosages of either lengthen the QT interval to the point the patient brady's out.
The important thing is to not give too large a dose. The study on Chloroquine in Brazil involved lethal amounts of the drug--something on the order of 12 g were given over a few days, the lethal dose is 5 g and the half life of the drug is long compared to many other medications. It was either shoddy pharmacology or malpractice or simply murder to make the drugs look bad. Both have been given for a long time (decades) as anti-malarials.
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I read that Chloraquine gives nasty heart palpitations, but did not know that the HydroxyC did.
Here is what WebMD says about potential side effects of Hydroxychloroquine:
...slow heartbeat, symptoms of heart failure (such as shortness of breath, swelling ankles/feet, unusual tiredness, unusual/sudden weight gain), mental/mood changes (such as anxiety, depression, rare thoughts of suicide, hallucinations), hearing changes (such as ringing in the ears, hearing loss), easy bruising/bleeding, signs of infection (such as sore throat that doesn't go away, fever), signs of liver disease (such as severe stomach/abdominal pain, yellowing eyes/skin, dark urine), muscle weakness, unwanted/uncontrolled movements (including tongue/face twitching), hair loss, hair/skin color changes.
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-5482/hydroxychloroquine-oral/details (https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-5482/hydroxychloroquine-oral/details)
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Here is what WebMD says about potential side effects of Hydroxychloroquine:
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-5482/hydroxychloroquine-oral/details (https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-5482/hydroxychloroquine-oral/details)
If I worried about the 'potential/possible' side effects of even half the drugs I take every day I would be too scared to take them. Lifes a crap shoot and if you face dying you will grab any rope out there.
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More bovine fecal matter!
Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread (https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-422X-2-69)
And yet not SARS-2. Evolution. Resistance. It happens with bacteria all the time.
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Correct. Independent events. No mention of the patient's culpability for using illegal iv drugs...
Seems to me the primary responsibility lies right there. If it took several days to die from a bit of needle removed fro her arm, then maybe something else was at play.
(My daughter spent over a month with a needle stuck in her arm (in ICU) and got better.)
A few hours with a piece of (medical) metal should not have been fatal, especially days later. Maybe a case of "cottonball fever" from the illicit injection that put the bit of needle there in the first place? A little something extra picked up in the syringe? Less than sterile injection site? Perhaps a dash of MRSA from the hospital itself?
Over 100,000 people die every year through "medical misadventure".
As of 2016, there were over 950,000 practicing physicians in the United States. 93% have an MD degree, and 76% were educated in the United States.source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physicians_in_the_United_States)
This is aimed at undermining her credentials to get at the drug regimen and discredit that.
As for that patient,
Agree! :amen: :bighug: :hands: :hands: :hands: :hands:
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If I worried about the 'potential/possible' side effects of even half the drugs I take every day I would be too scared to take them. Lifes a crap shoot and if you face dying you will grab any rope out there.
BINGO! Well said! 888high58888
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My post on page one. « Reply #5 on: July 29, 2020, 09:29:27 PM »
Seems I was correct. Woman's intuition. Don't hate me for it.
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Agree. People still die, WITH or WITHOUT a doctor.... WITH or WITHOUT ..health insurance. Why, aren't they going after the surgeon? HE was the last to administer aid to her. BTW. It just sounds like the I.V. needle, one has when in hospital.
I say, the woman died from her illegal drug use and maybe becoming septic after surgery. THAT IS MY OPINION. Just musing on here. I DON'T KNOW. I didn't read the article.
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And yet not SARS-2. Evolution. Resistance. It happens with bacteria all the time.
Can you tell me what the hell you are talking about here @jmyrlefuller? I can't figure it out for the life of me.
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And yet not SARS-2. Evolution. Resistance. It happens with bacteria all the time.
Not many bugs will mutate to adapt to something that stops them from replicating. THe replicating part is incredibly critical to adaptation, without it there is none.
SARS and SARS CoV-2 are related in name only (From Sudden Acute Respiratory Syndrome--an effect, and that they are both corona viruses). SARS CoV-2 was a laboratory product. Ultimately produced from this research, which was shut down in the US and moved to Wuhan Institute of Virology: https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985 (https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985)
The researchers were creating chimera viruses from existing viruses in order to enhance function (contagion).
Well, that part worked, but however it happened, it got out of the BSL-4 Lab in Wuhan.
If you understand BSL-4 protocols (https://ehs.stanford.edu/manual/biosafety-manual/universal-precautions), you understand why a cloth mask is just virtue signalling, and not an effective foil to infection, nor is an N-95 mask.
Again, Chloroquine and Hydroxychloroquine (the safer drug) both act as ionophores which allow zinc to pass into the Type 1 pneumocytes, where the zinc retards and interrupts the ability of the virus to replicate.
In order for that to be effective, the treatment has to be administered early, stopping the virus beofre the virus invades the pneumocytes and replicated, destroying the very cells which exchange oxygen with Carbon Dioxide in the blood. The longer you wait, the worse the lung damage, the less effective the hydroxychloroquine/Zinc/Azithromycin regimen is going to be. People wheeled into the hospital at deaths door and requiring mechanical ventilation have a poor prognosis. People treated early generally recover, commonly without requiring hospitalization.
International Journal of Infectious Diseases, Volume 97, P396-403, August 01, 2020 Treatment with hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, and combination in patients hospitalized with COVID-19 (https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/fulltext)
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Can you tell me what the hell you are talking about here @jmyrlefuller? I can't figure it out for the life of me.
"Antimicrobial resistance (AMR or AR) is the ability of a microbe to resist the effects of medication that once could successfully treat the microbe."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimicrobial_resistance
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Saying that someone is being sued is a common duck and weave by those without something legitimate. It is also an easy news clip for others that know nothing.
What was the basis of the suit?
When was the suit filed?
Has the trial begun?
Who are the attorneys?
Even if there is no result, news people often state there is a lawsuit as a form of slander. Often the reason for a lawsuit is to be able to slander.
It is an old and tired process. Call them out on it.
Slide Rule
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"Antimicrobial resistance (AMR or AR) is the ability of a microbe to resist the effects of medication that once could successfully treat the microbe."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimicrobial_resistance
It has to replicate and pass on that resistance.
Any protocol which stops the microbe from replicating thwarts the ability of the microbe to gain resistance.
The problem with bacterial resistance to antibiotics comes when people do not finish the entire course of antibiotics and quit when they are feeling better. Some of those bacteria will be more resistant than others, and those will be the ones which cause a relapse, because the patient didn't continue taking their meds and kill those, too.
That new bacterial load will be descended from the resistant bacteria and will have inherited that trait.
After a few quadrillion reproductions, those bacteria will eventually dominate the strain, because they were less susceptible to the medication, and survived to reproduce with that characteristic.
Eventually, the strain of bacillus will be resistant to the antibiotic.
Without reproduction, there will be no resistant strain.
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"Antimicrobial resistance (AMR or AR) is the ability of a microbe to resist the effects of medication that once could successfully treat the microbe."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antimicrobial_resistance
So why are you bringing up Bacterial infections when that has nothing at all to do with the VIRAL infection this discussion is about?
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Saying that someone is being sued is a common duck and weave by those without something legitimate. It is also an easy news clip for others that know nothing.
What was the basis of the suit?
When was the suit filed?
Has the trial begun?
Who are the attorneys?
Even if there is no result, news people often state there is a lawsuit as a form of slander. Often the reason for a lawsuit is to be able to slander.
It is an old and tired process. Call them out on it.
Slide Rule
Apparently some junkie died when they acquired (provenance unknown) a strain of flesh eating bacteria allegedly from a piece of needle the doctor failed to extract (or from a subsequent visit when the needle was extracted--different doctor). Supposedly, the eight hour delay in treatment was critical to the outcome.