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General Category => National/Breaking News => Topic started by: Right_in_Virginia on October 08, 2017, 05:50:21 pm
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VP Mike Pence leaves Colts game because 49ers players knelt during anthem
Fox 59, Oct 8, 2017
INDIANAPOLIS, Ind. – Vice President Mike Pence decided to leave the Indianapolis Colts game Sunday because some 49ers players knelt during the national anthem.
In a tweet, the former Indiana governor said “I left today’s Colts game because @POTUS and I will not dignify any event that disrespects our soldiers, our Flag, or our National Anthem.” Minutes after that tweet, his office released a full statement.
“I left today’s Colts game because President Trump and I will not dignify any event that disrespects our soldiers, our Flag, or our National Anthem. At a time when so many Americans are inspiring our nation with their courage, resolve, and resilience, now, more than ever, we should rally around our Flag and everything that unites us. While everyone is entitled to their own opinions, I don’t think it’s too much to ask NFL players to respect the Flag and our National Anthem. I stand with President Trump, I stand with our soldiers, and I will always stand for our Flag and our National Anthem.”
More: http://fox59.com/2017/10/08/vp-mike-pence-leaves-colts-game-because-49ers-players-knelt-during-anthem/
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Vice President Mike Pence spoke out on Sunday about why he left a Indianapolis Colts-San Francisco 49ers game on Sunday, after a report emerged which said former 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick would stand for the anthem if he would be able to sign with an NFL team.
“I left today's Colts game because @POTUS and I will not dignify any event that disrespects our soldiers, our Flag, or our National Anthem,” Pence tweeted.
Several 49ers players reportedly knelt for the anthem on Sunday.
"After sitting down with Colin Kaepernick for several hours, @JasonLaCanfora says the QB is still actively trying to play in the NFL," NFLonCBS tweeted Sunday.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/08/vice-president-mike-pence-leaves-colts-49ers-game-after-players-reportedly-kneel.html
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Eff the NFL.
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Vice President Mike Pence spoke out on Sunday about why he left a Indianapolis Colts-San Francisco 49ers game on Sunday, after a report emerged which said former 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick would stand for the anthem if he would be able to sign with an NFL team.
“I left today's Colts game because @POTUS and I will not dignify any event that disrespects our soldiers, our Flag, or our National Anthem,” Pence tweeted.
Several 49ers players reportedly knelt for the anthem on Sunday.
"After sitting down with Colin Kaepernick for several hours, @JasonLaCanfora says the QB is still actively trying to play in the NFL," NFLonCBS tweeted Sunday.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/08/vice-president-mike-pence-leaves-colts-49ers-game-after-players-reportedly-kneel.html
Why was he there in the first place?
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Why was he there in the first place?
He likes Indianapolis for some unknown reason. I'm not even sure I remember what state that town is in.
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Why was he there in the first place?
Probably wanted to take in a home game for his home state team. Plus they were honoring Peyton Manning with a statue and induction into their ring of honor this weekend.
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NFL Week 5: Vice President Mike Pence walks out on Colts game after Niners kneel for anthem
Washington Post, Oct 8, 2017
Vice President Mike Pence walked out on the Indianapolis Colts’ game against the San Francisco 49ers Sunday afternoon after a large number of the 49ers players took a knee during the playing of the national anthem.
Pence announced his departure via his Twitter account, writing: “I left today’s Colts game because @POTUS [President Trump] and I will not dignify any event that disrespects our soldiers, our Flag, or our National Anthem.”
According to NBS Sports reporter Matt Maiocco, 23 members of the 49ers knelt during the anthem.
More: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2017/10/08/nfl-week-5-the-focus-turns-from-protest-to-football-key-games-injuries-fantasy-news/?utm_term=.ef69fed511d0
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He likes Indianapolis for some unknown reason. I'm not even sure I remember what state that town is in.
Ha Ha....I know Pence is from Indiana. My intended comment is that he , Trump, and anyone else pro-American should avoid the NFL in form or fashion.
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Probably wanted to take in a home game for his home state team. Plus they were honoring Peyton Manning with a statue and induction into their ring of honor this weekend.
According to the articles, Pence was there for the Manning "thing". ^-^
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According to the articles, Pence was there for the Manning "thing". ^-^
Wonder how Colt fans will feel if Manning joins the HOF in a Bronco Jersey?
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Wonder how Colt fans will feel if Manning joins the HOF in a Bronco Jersey?
As a former bronco fan I don’t care what Jersey he enters the HOF in. I am no longer a football fan and hope he NFL implodes quickly
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As a former bronco fan I don’t care what Jersey he enters the HOF in. I am no longer a football fan and hope he NFL implodes quickly
Amen.... Hell with the Saints too.
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Pence leaves NFL game after players kneel during anthem
By BRENT D. GRIFFITHS
10/08/2017 01:56 PM EDT
Updated 10/08/2017 04:30 PM EDT
Vice President Mike Pence left an Indianapolis Colts game on Sunday shortly after several players on the opposing San Francisco 49ers kneeled in protest during the national anthem.
"I left today's Colts game because @POTUS and I will not dignify any event that disrespects our soldiers, our Flag, or our National Anthem," Pence wrote on Twitter on his official @VP account, hours after tweeting that he was looking forward to taking in a game with his wife, Karen Pence.
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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/08/pence-nfl-game-anthem-protest-243583
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Good for him. About time. If only the rest of the stands had left with him...
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Good for him. About time. If only the rest of the stands had left with him...
@Mystery -AK
I am thrilled our Vice-President of the United States of America left the game!
Football will not be around much longer, anyway, because of the brain damage the players have received during their tenures as players -- and the lawsuits that will ensue. Poor babies. What will they do now after spending all of their money on crazy things instead of investing in our country?
It will be rough on them. Time to invest in coloring books!
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This was a stunt. I wouldn't care if it hadn't cost taxpayers thousands of dollars.
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This was a stunt. I wouldn't care if it hadn't cost taxpayers thousands of dollars.
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The VP sent a clear message to the country and to the NFL and rightfully so.
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Still watching the NFL. Go Bears! I'm not letting the players nor Trump (who still has a grudge against the NFL) ruined it for me.
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The VP sent a clear message to the country and to the NFL and rightfully so.
@libertybele
No, not rightfully so. It was an unnecessary waste of taxpayer money. Trump wanted to make points with his base---fine. It's not up to us to pay for it.
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So basically no one is bothered VP Pence flew from Las Vegas to Indianapolis. Seemingly for the staged walkout. Now he's flying back west to L.A for a fundraiser!
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So basically no one is bothered VP Pence flew from Las Vegas to Indianapolis. Seemingly for the staged walkout. Now he's flying back west to L.A for a fundraiser!
Didn't Tom Price just have to step down for wasting tax payer dollars like this?
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So basically no one is bothered VP Pence flew from Las Vegas to Indianapolis. Seemingly for the staged walkout. Now he's flying back west to L.A for a fundraiser!
Yeah how dare the vice president go to Indiana. And double dog how dare he make a stand against unpatriotic actions.
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Didn't Time Price just have to step down for wasting tax payer dollars like this?
@txradioguy
I've noticed that some on our side who would have rightly condemned Obama for pulling this same crap are willing to give Trump a pass if they're angry enough at the target of the stunt.
My husband works damn hard, and not to pay for Trump's attempts to win points with his base.
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Yeah how dare the vice president go to Indiana. And double dog how dare he make a stand against unpatriotic actions.
Sorry I don't like Taxpayer funded stunts.
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@txradioguy
I've noticed that some on our side who would have rightly condemned Obama for pulling this same crap are willing to give Trump a pass if they're angry enough at the target of the stunt.
My husband works damn hard, and not to pay for Trump's attempts to win points with his base.
It's ok...he didn't rent a private jet.
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Trump says he directed Pence to walk out of game if 49ers protested during national anthem
Cindy Boren
The plan had been for Vice President Mike Pence to attend the Indianapolis Colts game at which Peyton Manning's number is to be retired, a gala celebration of the former Colts quarterback's contributions to Pence's home state.
The former governor of Indiana and his wife, wearing a Manning No. 18 jersey, left Lucas Oil Stadium after the national anthem, following instructions from President Donald Trump after a number of San Francisco 49ers players took a knee during the anthem.
Continued at: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-pence-49ers-colts-national-anthem-20171008-story.html
So how about this, this was maybe not a mere stunt,
This game was the one where Peyton Manning's jersey was going to be retired; that would be a big deal in Indiana and Indianapolis; so, surely, Pence already had it on his schedule to go.... so things just worked out this way.
So, maybe not a waste of taxpayer dollars in that manner, he was going, perhaps as the story reads, Trump directed Pence to skidaddle if some of the Niners (or other players, Colts) knelt.
These pro-teams have special ceremonies like this fairly often.
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Yeah how dare the vice president go to Indiana. And double dog how dare he make a stand against unpatriotic actions.
@driftdiver
A stand is fine if he doesn't use taxpayer money to do it. Look at that tweet he sent out. It was a deliberate (and dumb) attempt to pull the wool over people's eyes.
Pence and Trump have made their stands verbally, haven't they?
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So how about this, this was maybe not a mere stunt,
This game was the one where Peyton Manning's jersey was going to be retired; that would be a big deal in Indiana and Indianapolis; so, surely, Pence already had it on his schedule to go.... so things just worked out this way.
So, maybe not a waste of taxpayer dollars in that manner, he was going, perhaps as the story reads, Trump directed Pence to skidaddle if some of the Niners (or other players, Colts) knelt.
These pro-teams have special ceremonies like this fairly often.
@TomSea
Yeah, and maybe it was. Go look at the tweets I posted earlier in the thread.
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@TomSea
Yeah, and maybe it was. Go look at the tweets I posted earlier in the thread.
@CatherineofAragon
I read those tweets, 2 or 3 times, some journalist says they were told their press van should wait for the reporters or something? It doesn't prove much.
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@driftdiver
A stand is fine if he doesn't use taxpayer money to do it. Look at that tweet he sent out. It was a deliberate (and dumb) attempt to pull the wool over people's eyes.
Pence and Trump have made their stands verbally, haven't they?
Not use tax money to support patriotism.
Now that's an interesting concept.
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@CatherineofAragon
I read those tweets, 2 or 3 times, some journalist says they were told their press van should wait for the reporters or something? It doesn't prove much.
Only proves that it was a pre planned publicity stunt...at tax payers expense.
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So basically no one is bothered VP Pence flew from Las Vegas to Indianapolis. Seemingly for the staged walkout. Now he's flying back west to L.A for a fundraiser!
@kevindavis
Yes, it was a stunt. Trump tweeted he asked Pence to go and leave.
We footed the bill for the plane to leave Las Vegas, go there to walk out, then go back to the west coast.
We don't have a president - we have a kook making chaos every day which he will do every day until he is no longer on earth.
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Not use tax money to support patriotism.
Now that's an interesting concept.
@driftdiver
A cheap pre-planned stunt is patriotism?
I didn't know it came that cheaply.
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It was a pre-scheduled event, no stunt costing the taxpayers additional money, scant evidence offered of this. This was a date set months ago, to retire Manning's number, if the Niners didn't kneel, Pence would have been there the whole game.
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Only proves that it was a pre planned publicity stunt...at tax payers expense.
Not if this was on Pence's schedule for months ahead of time which apparently it was.
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Pence was governor of Indiana and Representative of Indiana, it was probably a big deal to have some dignitaries there.
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It was a pre-scheduled event, no stunt costing the taxpayers additional money, scant evidence offered of this. This was a date set months ago, to retire Manning's number, if the Niners didn't kneel, Pence would have been there the whole game.
@TomSea
Preplanned since 2014? Because that's the age of the photo he tried to pass off as taken today.
He had a statement ready to go when he left the stadium.
Yet knowing that, you still believe. It's really incredible.
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@driftdiver
A cheap pre-planned stunt is patriotism?
I didn't know it came that cheaply.
Encouraging respect for the flag is patriotism.
Or perhaps your real issue is the left is losing on this issue and that bothers you.
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Encouraging respect for the flag is patriotism.
Or perhaps your real issue is the left is losing on this issue and that bothers you.
Damn you left out the part about would we have been happier with Hillary as President, you guys are slipping up. But you still managed to insinuate that some people are more on the side of the left. (http://i49.tinypic.com/t8xonl.jpg)
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Question. Did the network show him leaving or mention it? Or did this break later?
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By the way, Seahawk Michael Bennett ends his sit down. Entire team stood for the anthem.
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By the way, Seahawk Michale Bennett ends his sit down. Entire team stood for the anthem.
So? Day late and a dollar short.
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Why was he there in the first place?
LOL! You can't walk out if you don't walk in. :tongue2:
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So? Day late and a dollar short.
Point being made is the pressure being applied is begining to work.
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Point being made is the pressure being applied is begining to work.
Work how? Has it really changed what's in these people's hearts and minds?
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Mike Pence, “I left today’s Colts game because President Trump..." told me to.
I am laughing at the ridiculousness of Fed Gov giving enough of a crap about NFL to stage a walk-out. But what's funnier is the people defending it like it's some miraculous thing of beauty.
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Encouraging respect for the flag is patriotism.
Or perhaps your real issue is the left is losing on this issue and that bothers you.
@driftdiver
I think I'm going to have to come clean. You're just too sharp--- you've figured me out.
Let me go roll up my Antifa flag, just a sec....
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Encouraging respect for the flag is patriotism.
Or perhaps your real issue is the left is losing on this issue and that bothers you.
Your fall back when someone disagrees with you is getting pretty old. Time to come up with new material. You're smarter than this.
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Time to come up with new material. You're smarter than this.
This is the exact same point I was trying to make this morning in church to the Reverend. Why is he always reading from the same damn book?
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This is the exact same point I was trying to make this morning in church to the Reverend. Why is he always reading from the same damn book?
Careful, Frank. When he gets new material, I think the time for reading will be pretty short.
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Mike Pence, “I left today’s Colts game because President Trump..." told me to.
I am laughing at the ridiculousness of Fed Gov giving enough of a crap about NFL to stage a walk-out. But what's funnier is the people defending it like it's some miraculous thing of beauty.
Do you member on how we didn't like the Fed Gov going after the Washington Redskins cause their name wasn't PC?
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Careful, Frank. When he gets new material, I think the time for reading will be pretty short.
QFT!
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Your fall back when someone disagrees with you is getting pretty old. Time to come up with new material. You're smarter than this.
I was just sitting here on this fine Monday morning wondering what @RoosGirl thought of me. Yes indeed.
Its really pretty obvious to anyone not blinded by their hatred of Trump. The NFL kneeling issue is a massive win for Conservatives and people who love this country. We've taken a significant leftist stronghold supported by the nations most powerful leftists and made them back down.
Instead of celebrating you are throwing mealy mouthed insults at the Vice President because he condemned people showing disrespect for our nation, our flag and our anthem. And you think I'm the one with the problem?
HA
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Do you member on how we didn't like the Fed Gov going after the Washington Redskins cause their name wasn't PC?
Yep, I remember. I have no idea why what is happening now is any different. Them getting to work repealing O-care or overhauling taxes and spending would be so much nicer than stupid publicity stunts.
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Yep, I remember. I have no idea why what is happening now is any different. Them getting to work repealing O-care or overhauling taxes and spending would be so much nicer than stupid publicity stunts.
@RoosGirl @kevindavis
Because in the Redskins case the Federal Govt was going to court to force the Redskins to change their name. You know court, with lawyers, judges, fines and such.
In this case the President is condemning people who are showing disrespect to the nation. He's not taking them to court. He's not charging them with a crime. He's not taking any legal action whatsoever.
All he's doing is publicly condemning them. Something tens of millions of other Americans were already doing but he has given them a voice forcing the NFL to listen.
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I was just sitting here on this fine Monday morning wondering what @RoosGirl thought of me. Yes indeed.
I knew you cared. ^-^
Its really pretty obvious to anyone not blinded by their hatred of Trump. The NFL kneeling issue is a massive win for Conservatives and people who love this country. We've taken a significant leftist stronghold supported by the nations most powerful leftists and made them back down.
Instead of celebrating you are throwing mealy mouthed insults at the Vice President because he condemned people showing disrespect for our nation, our flag and our anthem. And you think I'm the one with the problem?
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As I said previously, I think this is an absolutely ridiculous thing for Fed Gov to be sticking their nose into. I'm pretty confident there are more important things going on with the country and around the world right now than to waste time and money on staged walk-outs. Add in the optics of the Tweet from the Head Twit that he instructed the Vice-Twit to walk out and it makes the Head Twit look like a real a-hole. I wasn't insulting the VP, I pretty much feel pity for him. I don't hate Trump, it's more like a "Oh jeez, not this shit again" attitude towards him.
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I was just sitting here on this fine Monday morning wondering what @RoosGirl thought of me. Yes indeed.
Its really pretty obvious to anyone not blinded by their hatred of Trump. The NFL kneeling issue is a massive win for Conservatives and people who love this country. We've taken a significant leftist stronghold supported by the nations most powerful leftists and made them back down.
Instead of celebrating you are throwing mealy mouthed insults at the Vice President because he condemned people showing disrespect for our nation, our flag and our anthem. And you think I'm the one with the problem?
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DD, methinks you're confusing "conservatives" with "populists". Trump is not a conservative, and using the flag protests for political means is pure populism.
As a conservative, those who protest have every right to do so, as I have every right to quit spending time and money on the NFL. Anyone with a viable cerebral cortex could have guessed that at least several members of the 49ers would take a knee during the anthem. IMO, the Vice President has a viable cerebral cortex; ergo, he should have known what to expect.
Trump is using the Democrats' playbook, i.e. never waste a good crisis. It's what he does, and he does not care what happens to the reputations of those who work for him.
Don't confuse my personal disgust with Trump as blind hate...there's a difference between the two, and members of the Orange Brigade would be well served to put down the KoolAid. He's not going to win reelection with 35%, i.e. his base.
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I knew you cared. ^-^
As I said previously, I think this is an absolutely ridiculous thing for Fed Gov to be sticking their nose into. I'm pretty confident there are more important things going on with the country and around the world right now than to waste time and money on staged walk-outs. Add in the optics of the Tweet from the Head Twit that he instructed the Vice-Twit to walk out and it makes the Head Twit look like a real a-hole. I wasn't insulting the VP, I pretty much feel pity for him. I don't hate Trump, it's more like a "Oh jeez, not this shit again" attitude towards him.
Pence must realize by now that his political career ends as Vice-Twit, less than 9 months into the job.
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Yep, I remember. I have no idea why what is happening now is any different. Them getting to work repealing O-care or overhauling taxes and spending would be so much nicer than stupid publicity stunts.
It's too bad Pence didn't pull a "walk out stunt" on the GOP Congress when they failed to fully repeal Obamacare, thus showing their disrespect for the American voters that put them into office based on that promise. But I guess Pence has his priorities all lined out according to Trump's. Obamacare repeal and the national debt being, apparently, the very LAST on that list.
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I knew you cared. ^-^
As I said previously, I think this is an absolutely ridiculous thing for Fed Gov to be sticking their nose into. I'm pretty confident there are more important things going on with the country and around the world right now than to waste time and money on staged walk-outs. Add in the optics of the Tweet from the Head Twit that he instructed the Vice-Twit to walk out and it makes the Head Twit look like a real a-hole. I wasn't insulting the VP, I pretty much feel pity for him. I don't hate Trump, it's more like a "Oh jeez, not this shit again" attitude towards him.
@RoosGirl
Other than God, what is more important then Love of Country? The left is attacking every cultural institution/icon that makes up America. They are intent at destroying the unity that makes us a nation. Encouraging disrespect for the flag and our national anthem is of vital importance if they want more people to stop seeing themselves as Americans and members of some global group.
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I was just sitting here on this fine Monday morning wondering what @RoosGirl thought of me. Yes indeed.
Its really pretty obvious to anyone not blinded by their hatred of Trump. The NFL kneeling issue is a massive win for Conservatives and people who love this country. We've taken a significant leftist stronghold supported by the nations most powerful leftists and made them back down.
Instead of celebrating you are throwing mealy mouthed insults at the Vice President because he condemned people showing disrespect for our nation, our flag and our anthem. And you think I'm the one with the problem?
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A "win for Conservatives"? How the hell do you figure that? If anything, it's yet another win-win scenario for the anti-American (and anti-American traditions) leftists who are .... as we speak.... busily attacking and destroying every possible American value and tradition that has made America the great nation that it is (soon to be was).
Destroying the NFL and football in Amerika was one of the leftists' fondest dreams. Now Trump has aided them by making it an "issue" for all Americans to disdain and boycott the NFL over this stand/kneel issue. Nice work, Trumpy. You played right into the enemy's hands. Or rather... they played you. Kinda stupid of Trump..... unless one considers and remembers what his political background 'was'.
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@RoosGirl
Other than God, what is more important then Love of Country? The left is attacking every cultural institution/icon that makes up America. They are intent at destroying the unity that makes us a nation. Encouraging disrespect for the flag and our national anthem is of vital importance if they want more people to stop seeing themselves as Americans and members of some global group.
My love of country is more based on love of Constitution than the flag. The Constitution is what separates us from the rest of the world...the oath of office I've taken several times as an officer and civilian was to the Constitution, to support and defend it against its enemies, foreign and domestic.
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A "win for Conservatives"? How the hell do you figure that? If anything, it's yet another win-win scenario for the anti-American (and anti-American traditions) leftists who are .... as we speak.... busily attacking and destroying every possible American value and tradition that has made America the great nation that it is (soon to be was).
Destroying the NFL and football in Amerika was one of the leftists' fondest dreams. Now Trump has aided them by making it an "issue" for all Americans to disdain and boycott the NFL over this stand/kneel issue. Nice work, Trumpy. You played right into the enemy's hands. Or rather... they played you. Kinda stupid of Trump..... unless one considers and remembers what his political background 'was'.
The anti-American/Antifa/knee bending crowd have turned this into a "Conservatives are intolerant" meme that the media is running with.
No way is this a win for Conservatives or the people who rally love this country.
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@RoosGirl
Other than God, what is more important then Love of Country? The left is attacking every cultural institution/icon that makes up America. They are intent at destroying the unity that makes us a nation. Encouraging disrespect for the flag and our national anthem is of vital importance if they want more people to stop seeing themselves as Americans and members of some global group.
I can name nine other things that are as important as love of God. Love of country is not one of them. You think NFL is going to counter the hate of our country that is taught every day in our public schools and colleges?
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The anti-American/Antifa/knee bending crowd have turned this into a "Conservatives are intolerant" meme that the media is running with.
No way is this a win for Conservatives or the people who rally love this country.
@txradioguy @XenaLee
Thats why Jerry Jones is backing down. lol yea right
Stop living in fear
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I can name nine other things that are as important as love of God. Love of country is not one of them. You think NFL is going to counter the hate of our country that is taught every day in our public schools and colleges?
It sure aint gonna hurt. The NFL has a massive impact in schools, the workplace and culture.
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The anti-American/Antifa/knee bending crowd have turned this into a "Conservatives are intolerant" meme that the media is running with.
No way is this a win for Conservatives or the people who rally love this country.
And I daresay that most Conservatives are bright enough to see this anthem BS for what it is.... just another assault on the nation's foundation by the rabid, radical left. That Trump is actually helping the left and their agenda (in this case, destroying the NFL, another American tradition).... is pretty damned obvious to Conservatives. Thus proving that Trump is no Conservative, since he's not bright enough to know he has been used. And neither is his populist fan club.
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A "win for Conservatives"? How the hell do you figure that? If anything, it's yet another win-win scenario for the anti-American (and anti-American traditions) leftists who are .... as we speak.... busily attacking and destroying every possible American value and tradition that has made America the great nation that it is (soon to be was).
Destroying the NFL and football in Amerika was one of the leftists' fondest dreams. Now Trump has aided them by making it an "issue" for all Americans to disdain and boycott the NFL over this stand/kneel issue. Nice work, Trumpy. You played right into the enemy's hands. Or rather... they played you. Kinda stupid of Trump..... unless one considers and remembers what his political background 'was'.
@XenaLee
@drifdriver
Trump is upset at the NFL cause they told him to pound sand twice.
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@txradioguy @XenaLee
Thats why Jerry Jones is backing down. lol yea right
Stop living in fear
Jerry Jones is backing down because above all loves money. He doesn't want the image of being America's Team or the richest sports franchise in the world put in jeopardy. And the end of the day at Jerry World its all about the $$$$$$
You need to start living in reality on this.
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The anti-American/Antifa/knee bending crowd have turned this into a "Conservatives are intolerant" meme that the media is running with.
No way is this a win for Conservatives or the people who rally love this country.
Its becoming as plain as day to everyone how unpopular the bent knee routine is with a huge majority of Americans. Self hate is at the center of progressive ideology. How is making these clowns pariahs not a good thing?
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@txradioguy @XenaLee
Thats why Jerry Jones is backing down. lol yea right
Stop living in fear
Jones is a moron that, like Trump, allowed himself to be USED (pwned) by the radical left. Like Trump, Jones has CFB Syndrome....more $$$ than brains......a terminal illness that will end up killing America as a free nation, with the help of the liberal Democrats (in and out of Trump's family). It's pretty sad... that our last chance (last best hope) has chosen to focus on something that helps the radical left, while appearing to do just the opposite.
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Jerry Jones is backing down because above all loves money. He doesn't want the image of being America's Team or the richest sports franchise in the world put in jeopardy. And the end of the day at Jerry World its all about the $$$$$$
You need to start living in reality on this.
@txradioguy
Of course its the money. Because he's pissed off 150 million of his customers.
Thats a win
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Jones is a moron that, like Trump, allowed himself to be USED (pwned) by the radical left. Like Trump, Jones has CFB Syndrome....more $$$ than brains......a terminal illness that will end up killing America as a free nation, with the help of the liberal Democrats (in and out of Trump's family). It's pretty sad... that our last chance (last best hope) has chosen to focus on something that helps the radical left, while appearing to do just the opposite.
How does showing respect for our flag help the left?
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@txradioguy
Of course its the money. Because he's pissed off 150 million of his customers.
Thats a win
So, destroying the NFL and.... by osmosis, the American tradition of football.... is considered by you to be a 'good' thing? So you agree with the radical, anti-American left then, eh?
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So, destroying the NFL and.... by osmosis, the American tradition of football.... is considered by you to be a 'good' thing? So you agree with the radical, anti-American left then, eh?
College football lives on.
Football the way it was meant to be played.
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How does showing respect for our flag help the left?
Good God, man. Open your eyes and THINK. Shed that HUB factor and tunnel vision affliction and look at the big picture for a change. It's not about the flag OR showing respect to the radical left. It's about chipping away, bit by bit, at American traditions. Football is just one of those traditions that they are erasing and destroying. Look around! [shaking head in disbelief]
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Good God, man. Open your eyes and THINK. Shed that HUB factor and tunnel vision affliction and look at the big picture for a change. It's not about the flag OR showing respect to the radical left. It's about chipping away, bit by bit, at American traditions. Football is just one of those traditions that they are erasing and destroying. Look around! [shaking head in disbelief]
They are using that tradition you care so much to shit on our country and our flag. EFF the NFL
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College football lives on.
Football the way it was meant to be played.
How old are you? Seriously? Do you really think it would stop at professional football? When, in your life, has the left .... the radical left.... ever not taken things all the way to insanity and beyond? No, they will go on to destroy college football as well. Get.... a..... clue.
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Mike Pence, “I left today’s Colts game because President Trump..." told me to.
I am laughing at the ridiculousness of Fed Gov giving enough of a crap about NFL to stage a walk-out. But what's funnier is the people defending it like it's some miraculous thing of beauty.
@RoosGirl
Apparently being able to distinguish wrong from right isn't enough anymore. We need politicians to validate our views.
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They are using that tradition you care so much to shit on our country and our flag. EFF the NFL
Consider yourself to have been successfully played.
Oh sure... who needs pro-football? I sure as hell have never been a fan. Except.... that.... it's one of our biggest traditions (think Thanksgiving football/turkey day, for instance).
You guys really need to see the big picture here. It's not really about showing respect to the flag. It's about the anti-American left.... using the flag/anthem issue to chip away at another American icon. And you're helping them.
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College football lives on.
Football the way it was meant to be played.
They want to destroy all Football.
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@XenaLee
@drifdriver
Trump is upset at the NFL cause they told him to pound sand twice.
So due to a personal vendetta of Trump's (gee, now where have we seen that before?).... he will now help the radical left to destroy the NFL. And here I thought it was just because he was a dumb liberal deep down.... too dumb to see he's being played...lol.
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I was just sitting here on this fine Monday morning wondering what @RoosGirl thought of me. Yes indeed.
Its really pretty obvious to anyone not blinded by their hatred of Trump. The NFL kneeling issue is a massive win for Conservatives and people who love this country. We've taken a significant leftist stronghold supported by the nations most powerful leftists and made them back down.
Instead of celebrating you are throwing mealy mouthed insults at the Vice President because he condemned people showing disrespect for our nation, our flag and our anthem. And you think I'm the one with the problem?
HA
@driftdiver
You don't seem to understand that you're on an internet forum where opinions are...well, they're what you get. What else are you here for? It isn't the donuts and coffee, because you never come by the Lounge.
This is not a "massive win." It's a massive distraction. A win would be the wall being built, or Obamacare repealed, or Planned Parenthood defunded. Or even our embassy moved to Jerusalem, which Trump now says is not going to happen. Screw the NFL; it's just football.
Dude, have some self-respect. Please. You're insisting on "celebrating" the fact that a politician pulled one over on you, even after seeing the fake pic he posted to dupe you. And those who recognize the stupid, clumsy hoax for what it was are leftists.
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Consider yourself to have been successfully played.
Oh sure... who needs pro-football? I sure as hell have never been a fan. Except.... that.... it's one of our biggest traditions (think Thanksgiving football/turkey day, for instance).
You guys really need to see the big picture here. It's not really about showing respect to the flag. It's about the anti-American left.... using the flag/anthem issue to chip away at another American icon. And you're helping them.
@XenaLee
Hardly, you want to help them normalize the demonization of this country.
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How old are you? Seriously? Do you really think it would stop at professional football? When, in your life, has the left .... the radical left.... ever not taken things all the way to insanity and beyond? No, they will go on to destroy college football as well. Get.... a..... clue.
@XenaLee
It's already trickled down to the High School level. Look at those two Dallas area kids who were kicked of the team for their protest stunt.
Then there's the catcher for the Oakland A's.
Gonna be interesting to see what happens when the NBA regular season kicks off.
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They want to destroy all Football.
@kevindavis
Football as we know it is going away regardless. They've been encouraging people to hurt others and sacrifice their bodies for money.
Sooner or later OSHA will get involved and it will be touch football.
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@RoosGirl
Other than God, what is more important then Love of Country? The left is attacking every cultural institution/icon that makes up America. They are intent at destroying the unity that makes us a nation. Encouraging disrespect for the flag and our national anthem is of vital importance if they want more people to stop seeing themselves as Americans and members of some global group.
@driftdiver
Since when do we need politicians to "encourage" patriotism? We don't think for ourselves anymore? We take our cues from government employees?
If going into a stadium and leaving a few minutes later is all it takes to make a person some kind of grand patriot, then patriotism comes real easy.
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@kevindavis
Football as we know it is going away regardless. They've been encouraging people to hurt others and sacrifice their bodies for money.
Sooner or later OSHA will get involved and it will be touch football.
So you're ok with helping the radical left get rid of American football then?
Got it.
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@driftdiver
You don't seem to understand that you're on an internet forum where opinions are...well, they're what you get. What else are you here for? It isn't the donuts and coffee, because you never come by the Lounge.
This is not a "massive win." It's a massive distraction. A win would be the wall being built, or Obamacare repealed, or Planned Parenthood defunded. Or even our embassy moved to Jerusalem, which Trump now says is not going to happen. Screw the NFL; it's just football.
Dude, have some self-respect. Please. You're insisting on "celebrating" the fact that a politician pulled one over on you, even after seeing the fake pic he posted to dupe you. And those who recognize the stupid, clumsy hoax for what it was are leftists.
Fake pic? What a joke, these people have ghost writers that make up their posts in many cases. I read one governor's twitter, Scott Walker, I'm not about to believe he meticulously posts everything we see on his twitter.
We are hearing the usual cynicism, we will not hear anything about Trump rolling back the LGBT lobby, where he has taken steps that the pro-life movement applaud him for (it's in lifenews, The Trump detractors are notoriously absent in that forum area), preserving 2nd amendment rights, defeating ISIS.
All we know, is some can be counted on to find a needle in the haystack and then tell others "na, na, na, look what I've found".
@CatherineofAragon
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Those finding fault, certainly have no problem with the lack of accomplishments of their own chosen candidate in the Senate, heck, at least, governors like Kasich and Christie have actually achieved some conservative goals.
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Stop living in fear
@driftdiver
Are you afraid of the fake photo Mike Pence tweeted out to try and pull his hoax? You haven't commented on it yet. Take a look at it, think about how you'd react if Obama had tried to pull such a crap stunt, and get back to us .
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How does showing respect for our flag help the left?
@driftdiver
You're not showing respect for the flag by putting on a dishonest hoax. How does this escape you?
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Fake pic? What a joke, these people have ghost writers that make up their posts in many cases. I read one governor's twitter, Scott Walker, I'm not about to believe he meticulously posts everything we see on his twitter.
We are hearing the usual cynicism, we will not hear anything about Trump rolling back the LGBT lobby, where he has taken steps that the pro-life movement applaud him for (it's in lifenews, The Trump detractors are notoriously absent in that forum area), preserving 2nd amendment rights, defeating ISIS.
All we know, is some can be counted on to find a needle in the haystack and then tell others "na, na, na, look what I've found".
@CatherineofAragon
@TomSea
But it's not a cult.
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@XenaLee
Hardly, you want to help them normalize the demonization of this country.
How, exactly, would I want to help them do that? The few idiots refusing to stand for the anthem are only hurting themselves and their own livelihood. When they (duh) figure that out, they will either quit or will stand. The team owners are feeling the crunch in their pocketbook by now and will crack down on the players a little too late, since many fans have "tuned out and turned off" football now.
I want the radical left to FAIL to destroy football because it's one of our biggest traditions. They are removing historic monuments, renaming and erasing our nation's history AS WE SPEAK. Football is just one more aspect of what they seek to erase and destroy. They're like ISIS on steroids without the beheadings.... and nobody seems to care enough to stop them. Quite the contrary, they have fooled so many (like you) that they are going to succeed, it looks like, to destroy American football too.
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So you're ok with helping the radical left get rid of American football then?
Got it.
@XenaLee
Stop living in fantasy land. The left OWNS football
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@driftdiver
You're not showing respect for the flag by putting on a dishonest hoax. How does this escape you?
@CatherineofAragon
So blinded are you, said Yoda
Yes I watched too much star wars this weekend.
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I was just sitting here on this fine Monday morning wondering what @RoosGirl thought of me. Yes indeed.
Its really pretty obvious to anyone not blinded by their hatred of Trump. The NFL kneeling issue is a massive win for Conservatives and people who love this country. We've taken a significant leftist stronghold supported by the nations most powerful leftists and made them back down.
Instead of celebrating you are throwing mealy mouthed insults at the Vice President because he condemned people showing disrespect for our nation, our flag and our anthem. And you think I'm the one with the problem?
HA
:beer:
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They want to destroy all Football.
The owners and players in the NFL are unwittingly destroying pro football. High school and college football will not go away. They will continue to thrive because of the traditions and community support that go with the entire spectacle: the bands, cheerleaders, etc. Less than 1% of college players play professional football.
Same thing with HS football, especially in Texas. First place I've ever lived where there are multiple freshman teams, multiple JV teams, for both football and basketball. The drill team has over 60 members, and there is now a JV drill team. Over 300 kids in the band...competition is fierce in everything, and football drives the train for the other extracurriculars.
Our coaches focus on the fundamentals, playing the game right. Not standing for the flag is anathema to all.
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@XenaLee
Stop living in fantasy land. The left OWNS football
It's the fans that make or break football (duh) via their $$$. And most of those fans are NOT representative of the radical left. The radical left doesn't OWN the American tradition of football. Seems to me that you're the one living in fantasy land.
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@XenaLee
Stop living in fantasy land. The left OWNS football
Just saw where virtually 50% of all NFL players are convicted felons.
We should do a 'study' on the police records of those who participate in this Anthem protest.
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Conway: Calling Pence’s NFL walkout a stunt is ‘offensive’ (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/354518-conway-calling-pences-nfl-walkout-a-stunt-is-offensive)
Pence's trip to Colts game cost more than $200,000: report (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/354530-pences-trip-to-colts-game-cost-about-250000-report)
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Pence was in a sport coat at the least at the Colts game versus wearing Indianapolis Colts merchandise as in the picture. Anyone can see that.
I've even seen stories written up on those who post tweets to politicians' twitter pages. It's laughable to find something sinister in this now.
@CatherineofAragon
(http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/mike-pence-national-anthem-ap-jt-171008_4x3_992.jpg)
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Kinda stupid of Trump..... unless one considers and remembers what his political background 'was'.
@XenaLee
@RoosGirl
Don't fall into Trump causing chaos just to cause chaos. Trump doesn't care about the flag or football players. He just did that to create chaos. Then, people think it is "something" and they get all excited about it as if it mattered and the whole country gets divided - so Trump got the news to be all about him and the flag and football players for days. He will find another something to cause chaos in a few days. See, it has been chaos since he went into office and it will stay that way until he leaves. He also has the Corker attack going. Now, Trumpers think that is something and are attacking Corker.
Trump is like a two year old having a temper tantrum. As long as you react to the temper fit, it keeps going. If you ignore the fit, the kid stops because he isn't getting attention anymore. People, unfortunately, will continue to fall into a Trump temper fit as if it mattered, and keep responding to it and Trump gets the attention 24/7.
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@XenaLee
It's already trickled down to the High School level. Look at those two Dallas area kids who were kicked of the team for their protest stunt.
Then there's the catcher for the Oakland A's.
Gonna be interesting to see what happens when the NBA regular season kicks off.
Just reading the last 2-3 pages of this thread.... there are some people here in serious denial about what is really going on with this flag/anthem/football issue. It's obvious that they have NO CLUE about the reality that this is just another radical left agenda item. And yes, it will filter down to college and high school (ALL football).... and then on to other American sports.... if it isn't stopped in its tracks now. And I predict that, due to all of this cluelessness (dumbed down Americans)... the left will succeed. There's not enough folks able or willing to think outside the box they've been trained to "think" in, sadly.
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Your fall back when someone disagrees with you is getting pretty old. Time to come up with new material. You're smarter than this.
If one is correct, why does one have to come up with "new material"? That seems
to me like dodging the issue.
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Didn't Tom Price just have to step down for wasting tax payer dollars like this?
In his political career Mike Pence represented Indiana's 2nd congressional district, Indiana's 6th congressional district, and was governor of Indiana.
I think if the Vice President wanted to see this game in his home state, honoring Peyton Manning, it’s not up to me or you to second guess that.
So all that desperate democrats and NeverTrumpers are left with is counting up how much fuel the Vice President wasted.
Weak, really weak.
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How old are you? Seriously? Do you really think it would stop at professional football? When, in your life, has the left .... the radical left.... ever not taken things all the way to insanity and beyond? No, they will go on to destroy college football as well. Get.... a..... clue.
And how would rolling over & ignoring the left's politicization of the NFL help save our traditions?
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If one is correct, why does one have to come up with "new material"? That seems
to me like dodging the issue.
Because with a few exceptions the members here are not leftists, and those of us that think that Fed Gov should keep the hell out of private business and stupid publicity stunts like this one are not any of those exceptions.
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I think if the Vice President wanted to see this game in his home state, honoring Peyton Manning, it’s not up to me or you to second guess that.
It very much is the right of people to second guess their Government.
And if that's all it had been I'd have no problem with that. IN fact it was yours truly that pointed out why he was there in the first place.
But Donny wasn't content with letting Pence do what he ostinsibly went there for int he first palce.
So all that desperate democrats and NeverTrumpers are left with is counting up how much fuel the Vice President wasted.
You've become so consumed with hate for anyone who doesn't kiss the small ring on the small orange hands of your hero you can't see sarcasm for what it is anymore.
Sad.
Weak, really weak.
Yeah your constant NT drumbeat is really weak.
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There seems to be a lot of confusion here. No one is saying they agree with the whole kneeling thing. I think some people are willfully confusing what the real issue is.
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There seems to be a lot of confusion here. No one is saying they agree with the whole kneeling thing. I think some people are willfully confusing what the real issue is.
Any "confusion" here lies between YOUR ears.
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Any "confusion" here lies between YOUR ears.
And I'm perfectly okay with *you* thinking that.
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Destroying the NFL and football in Amerika was one of the leftists' fondest dreams.
Since when is "destroying the NFL" one of the leftists fondest dreams?
If the NFL allows its' employees to disrespect the flag, country and vets during
working hours then the NFL has earned all the contempt coming its' way.
Trump and Pence are right to speak out against players and owners that allow
this dis-respectable behavior. I'm sorry to see you siding with BLM/Antifa who are
encouraging the player protests along with a bunch of other cultural Marxists.
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And how would rolling over & ignoring the left's politicization of the NFL help save our traditions?
Who is asking anyone to "roll over and ignore" what the leftists are doing? I would expose the aholes for what they are and for what they're attempting to do. Put it "on record" that the left is behind this, yet another attempt to destroy Americana, and make it an issue for the American public to decide on from a position of knowledge, vs. the position most of them are in currently.... which is delusion, denial, ignorance, dis/misinformation and complete CLUELESSNESS.
Here's the problem. If the Trump fans/supporters/populists, who also are NFL football fans, help the left to destroy the NFL via their boycott.... they will only be hurting themselves and America by helping destroy yet another American tradition. Information and communication is key.... as always. Let the people know what's really behind this anthem BS. And no, it's not just to show disrespect or disapproval of Donald J. Trump. If only it were that simple.
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@CatherineofAragon
So blinded are you, said Yoda
Yes I watched too much star wars this weekend.
@driftdiver
Blinded---like refusing to accept that a fake photo is fake, or that a hoax is a hoax?
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There seems to be a lot of confusion here. No one is saying they agree with the whole kneeling thing. I think some people are willfully confusing what the real issue is.
@RoosGirl
So you don't condemn the kneeling thing but you aren't saying you support it. You are just condemning those who are speaking out against kneeling.
Do I have that correct?
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@driftdiver
Blinded---like refusing to accept that a fake photo is fake, or that a hoax is a hoax?
@CatherineofAragon
bzzzt try again, I never commented on the photo
misguided are you
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Who is asking anyone to "roll over and ignore" what the leftists are doing? I would expose the aholes for what they are and for what they're attempting to do. Put it "on record" that the left is behind this, yet another attempt to destroy Americana, and make it an issue for the American public to decide on from a position of knowledge, vs. the position most of them are in currently.... which is delusion, denial, ignorance, dis/misinformation and complete CLUELESSNESS.
Here's the problem. If the Trump fans/supporters/populists, who also are NFL football fans, help the left to destroy the NFL via their boycott.... they will only be hurting themselves and America by helping destroy yet another American tradition. Information and communication is key.... as always. Let the people know what's really behind this anthem BS. And no, it's not just to show disrespect or disapproval of Donald J. Trump. If only it were that simple.
Communication will mean nothing if the NFL does not feel pain as a consequence of their willing dive into politics. Whats more, if the NFL chooses to allow their flashy platform to be used to preach self hating progressivism then, call me what you want, I won't join you in mourning their passing.
BTW I said nothing about anyone showing disrespect to Trump. Why add that nugget?
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@RoosGirl
So you don't condemn the kneeling thing but you aren't saying you support it. You are just condemning those who are speaking out against kneeling.
Do I have that correct?
No, you are incorrect again. The people doing the kneeling are idiots and I severely disagree with them. I am not interested in NFL so there's no further "protest" that is worthy my getting involved in. I condemn Fed Gov for becoming as involved as it has; the tweets, the staged walk-out, etc.
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Since when is "destroying the NFL" one of the leftists fondest dreams?
You really do need to get out (of your "shell") more.... :silly:
If the NFL allows its' employees to disrespect the flag, country and vets during
working hours then the NFL has earned all the contempt coming its' way.
Only, it's not the NFL .... it's a few players on a few teams. Certainly not ALL of the players on ALL of the NFL teams. Yet... you would seek to punish, penalize and destroy the entire league .... just like the radical anti-American leftists?
Trump and Pence are right to speak out against players and owners that allow
this dis-respectable behavior. I'm sorry to see you siding with BLM/Antifa who are
encouraging the player protests along with a bunch of other cultural Marxists.
Speaking out is one thing. Calling for a boycott of the NFL, which is essentially what Trump has done, is entirely another thing....which is playing right into the left's paws.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/sep/24/donald-trump-urges-nfl-boycott-over-national-anthe/
You're the one siding with BLM/Antifa by applauding the destruction of the NFL, which is their goal. I'd tell you to get a clue... but what's the use.
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Pence was in a sport coat at the least at the Colts game versus wearing Indianapolis Colts merchandise as in the picture. Anyone can see that.
I've even seen stories written up on those who post tweets to politicians' twitter pages. It's laughable to find something sinister in this now.
@CatherineofAragon
(http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/mike-pence-national-anthem-ap-jt-171008_4x3_992.jpg)
@TomSea
(https://i.imgur.com/7NXeBhf.jpg)
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Because with a few exceptions the members here are not leftists, and those of us that think that Fed Gov should keep the hell out of private business and stupid publicity stunts like this one are not any of those exceptions.
Well I sure do hear a lot of leftest talking points.
Has President Trump taken any federal action against the NFL? No, he simply used
his right of free speech to express a point of view shared by most Americans. Most
Americans do not like NFL employees disrespecting the flag, country and those that
fought for the same. While they are at work.
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It very much is the right of people to second guess their Government.
@txradioguy
We should know our place. It's not up to us to question public servants our betters.
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No, you are incorrect again. The people doing the kneeling are idiots and I severely disagree with them. I am not interested in NFL so there's no further "protest" that is worthy my getting involved in. I condemn Fed Gov for becoming as involved as it has; the tweets, the staged walk-out, etc.
@RoosGirl
You condemn the "fed gov", no you are condemning Trump and anyone connected to him. You are condemning the President of the United States for denouncing unpatriotic behavior.
Thats kind of his job description
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No, you are incorrect again. The people doing the kneeling are idiots and I severely disagree with them. I am not interested in NFL so there's no further "protest" that is worthy my getting involved in. I condemn Fed Gov for becoming as involved as it has; the tweets, the staged walk-out, etc.
BS. Your hate of all things to do with this Administration is clear for all to see.
Aren't you supposed to call a doctor is that thing last longer than four hours?
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@RoosGirl
You condemn the "fed gov", no you are condemning Trump and anyone connected to him. You are condemning the President of the United States for denouncing unpatriotic behavior.
Thats kind of his job description
Guess what, Trump *is* part of Fed Gov. If this had stopped at one tweet or one comment it wouldn't be such a big deal. When staged walk-outs are now on the table, multiple comments and tweets, it's a problem. Fixing NFL is not Fed Gov's job. Has POTUS said anything about the communist advertising in the military? That seems more important to me than NFL and actually within the job description of the POTUS.
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BS. Your hate of all things to do with this Administration is clear for all to see.
Aren't you supposed to call a doctor is that thing last longer than four hours?
I'm hoping you won't last that long.
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I'm hoping you won't last that long.
What a miserable, cold-hearted thing to say. **nononono*
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Communication will mean nothing if the NFL does not feel pain as a consequence of their willing dive into politics. Whats more, if the NFL chooses to allow their flashy platform to be used to preach self hating progressivism then, call me what you want, I won't join you in mourning their passing.
BTW I said nothing about anyone showing disrespect to Trump. Why add that nugget?
Communication WILL (or would) make all the difference.... since most football fans have no idea what the bigger (hidden) agenda is here. They have no idea that they will be aiding the left in their agenda to destroy football in America. And then there are those that are willing participants (like you) that may know the agenda but will further it ANYWAY.
Amazingly, Rush is applauding Trump and Pence on this...lol. One of the few times I have disagreed with Rush on politiks.
The disrespect/disapproval for Trump (also) issue seems to be a valid perception out there .... since the players are only NOW, now that Trump is CIC/president, refusing to stand for the anthem/flag.... and since Trump has openly dissed them for doing so. Come on....you know this. You've seen the whining and tantrums from the left since last November. How many instances of players refusing to stand for the anthem were there before Trump was elected? One that I know of. One wacko that started a clusterfk movement. Sound familiar?
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Guess what, Trump *is* part of Fed Gov. If this had stopped at one tweet or one comment it wouldn't be such a big deal. When staged walk-outs are now on the table, multiple comments and tweets, it's a problem. Fixing NFL is not Fed Gov's job. Has POTUS said anything about the communist advertising in the military? That seems more important to me than NFL and actually within the job description of the POTUS.
why does ever conversation with you end in blah blah blah
dunno, but there it is.
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What a miserable, cold-hearted thing to say. **nononono*
Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn! :laugh:
<roll the credits>
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What a miserable, cold-hearted thing to say. **nononono*
Why don't you take it in context with what he said to me and you may understand better what it means. I note you had no comment about him saying on another thread that I looked like someone in a miniskirt getting out of an SUV too quickly. Your selective outrage is laughable.
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why does ever conversation with you end in blah blah blah
dunno, but there it is.
I'm sorry you believe that fixing NFL is the job of Fed Gov, but not communists in the military.
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I'm sorry you believe that fixing NFL is the job of Fed Gov, but not communists in the military.
@RoosGirl
Have you stopped beating your boyfriend?
He's not trying to fix the NFL. He's condemning anti-American behavior. So sorry you can't see that.
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Why don't you take it in context with what he said to me and you may understand better what it means. I note you had no comment about him saying on another thread that I looked like someone in a miniskirt getting out of an SUV too quickly. Your selective outrage is laughable.
You're full of crap, too.
You want to feign outrage at my posts but you feel the need to mix it up with 'The Boyz' in here on a daily basis.
Only want to be considered a 'lady' when it suits you.
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Why don't you take it in context with what he said to me and you may understand better what it means. I note you had no comment about him saying on another thread that I looked like someone in a miniskirt getting out of an SUV too quickly. Your selective outrage is laughable.
@RoosGirl
Nice.
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@RoosGirl
Have you stopped beating your boyfriend?
He's not trying to fix the NFL. He's condemning anti-American behavior. So sorry you can't see that.
Like I said before, the level that this nonsense has been taken to is ridiculous. I'm never going to agree that staging (and making tax payers pay for) a walk-out is the right thing to do. Get back to me after POTUS addresses communists in our military and the State Dept hosting a gay pride month, maybe I'll change my mind, but I doubt it.
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Gregg Doyel Verified account @GreggDoyelStar
Pence used the Colts, who went out of their way to accommodate the VP - with no idea this political stunt was coming
Melissa Mackenzie 🌐 @MelissaTweets
🌐 Retweeted Gregg Doyel
Remember when the VP was at a nice Broadway musical and then the singers lectured him and his family?
Making a statement is noble. Right?
Ari FleischerVerified account @AriFleischer
Bias in action: Pence walking out is a "stunt". Players taking a knee is genuine. The MSM really doesn't get it.
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You're full of crap, too.
You want to feign outrage at my posts but you feel the need to mix it up with 'The Boyz' in here on a daily basis.
Only want to be considered a 'lady' when it suits you.
@DCPatriot
LOL, you better check again. This ain't Fox News, where the dirty old men own the place and the female members are tolerated and considered to be "mixing it up with the boys" when they post.
Your skirt comment was in response to a post that had absolutely zero to do with "being a lady', but was about the media and Trump's general demeanor.
Modified to courtesy ping @RoosGirl
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You're full of crap, too.
You want to feign outrage at my posts but you feel the need to mix it up with 'The Boyz' in here on a daily basis.
Only want to be considered a 'lady' when it suits you.
Yep, I enjoy some good natured ribbing with "The Boyz". You're trying to play off your comment like it was just good natured ribbing? Talk about being full of crap.
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I'm sorry you believe that fixing NFL is the job of Fed Gov, but not communists in the military.
*****rollingeyes***** *****rollingeyes***** *****rollingeyes*****
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Why don't you take it in context with what he said to me and you may understand better what it means.
Nice try ... but you were unable to control the real you with that response.
Own it.
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Nice try ... but you were unable to control the real you with that response.
Own it.
It's very clear what I meant and it's very clear what *you* are trying to do *again*. And guess what? It won't work this time either.
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Statement from the office of the Vice President:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLsoXEBXUAQ9JSn.jpg)
Much ado about nothing, one could argue against most of these trips I suppose.
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Statement from the office of the Vice President:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLsoXEBXUAQ9JSn.jpg)
Much ado about nothing, one could argue against most of these trips I suppose.
Then flew back to LA for a fundraiser.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLsoXEBXUAQ9JSn.jpg)
Much ado about nothing, one could argue against most of these trips I suppose.
Exactly. The only reason this is getting so much play is because NeverTrumpers reflexively jump on board with Leftist in their hatred of all thing Trump, so the word is spread across the political world far and wide.
There are three political forces whose actions scream “I hate Trump.” Leftist Democrats, establishment types, and NeverTrump. And that’s the reality Trump faces daily.
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@RoosGirl
Have you stopped beating your boyfriend?
He's not trying to fix the NFL. He's condemning anti-American behavior. So sorry you can't see that.
No, he and Pence are giving us the 2017 version of bread and circuses.
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Gregg Doyel Verified account @GreggDoyelStar
Pence used the Colts, who went out of their way to accommodate the VP - with no idea this political stunt was coming
Melissa Mackenzie 🌐 @MelissaTweets
🌐 Retweeted Gregg Doyel
Remember when the VP was at a nice Broadway musical and then the singers lectured him and his family?
Making a statement is noble. Right?
Ari FleischerVerified account @AriFleischer
Bias in action: Pence walking out is a "stunt". Players taking a knee is genuine. The MSM really doesn't get it.
Ari desperately wants to become a player again. That's what I read into it.
No need to conflate/compare the actions of an entertainer/pro athlete to the sitting VP. Apples and cumquats.
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@RoosGirl at least one of these 'Boyz' has your back.
(https://mcguff1.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/catching_flak1.jpg?w=450)
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@RoosGirl at least one of these 'Boyz' has your back.
(https://mcguff1.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/catching_flak1.jpg?w=450)
Aw hell, one is always "over the target" in the eyes of Orange Brigadiers...even when you partially agree with them (a rare occasion, indeed). lol
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Then flew back to LA for a fundraiser.
The original California fundraisers according to this, were in September and were cancelled:
That was one of several stops Pence originally had planned for September. A breakfast event in Bakersfield and a Sacramento dinner also were cancelled because the vice president instead visited Florida to survey damage from Hurricane Irma.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/vice-president-pence-plans-california-fundraising-visit/
So I can see, attending the game was on Pence's schedule, then the fundraisers that were originally cancelled were tacked onto his schedule. The statement above was probably made by a staffer of Pence's, that said the VP was flying back to Washington. We will see. Perhaps we will get more details.
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@CatherineofAragon
bzzzt try again, I never commented on the photo
misguided are you
@driftdiver, yes. That was exactly my point.
Why do you want to ignore a government employee's explicit attempt to pull one over on you?
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Aw hell, one is always "over the target" in the eyes of Orange Brigadiers...even when you partially agree with them (a rare occasion, indeed). lol
LOL That's true. The only bothersome part is when some of them are dishonest and try to get a thread locked or a particular member "in trouble".
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Kellyanne Conway Denies Mike Pence's Expensive NFL Exit Was A 'Political Stunt'
By Hayley Miller
POLITICS
10/09/2017 10:40 am ET Updated 2 hours ago
The White House counselor called such claims "outrageous" and "offensive."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kellyanne-conway-mike-pence-nfl_us_59db72ede4b046f5ad997f48
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@driftdiver, yes. That was exactly my point.
Why do you want to ignore a government employee's explicit attempt to pull one over on you?
@CatherineofAragon
LOL man you are a trip. First you accuse me of ignoring the pic and then you claim I'm ok with it.
They kneeled during the national anthem. They showed disrespect for this nation. EFF em let them run to Nigeria or Mali where they'll be properly respected.
I'm glad he walked out!
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LOL That's true. The only bothersome part is when some of them are dishonest and try to get a thread locked or a particular member "in trouble".
@RoosGirl
That's interesting.
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LOL That's true. The only bothersome part is when some of them are dishonest and try to get a thread locked or a particular member "in trouble".
blah blah blah If only the rest of the world was as smart as you nevertrumpers then the world would be perfect and we'd all live in utopia
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@RoosGirl
That's interesting.
@CatherineofAragon
You've noticed the pattern, right?
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blah blah blah If only the rest of the world was as smart as you nevertrumpers then the world would be perfect and we'd all live in utopia
QFT
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@CatherineofAragon
LOL man you are a trip. First you accuse me of ignoring the pic and then you claim I'm ok with it.
They kneeled during the national anthem. They showed disrespect for this nation. EFF em let them run to Nigeria or Mali where they'll be properly respected.
I'm glad he walked out!
@driftdiver
You're blathering and LOLing all over the place but still you refuse to address my question.
Why are you okay with a Fed employee's deliberate attempt to mislead you?
If Obama had done the same thing, would you have dismissed it? Even defended him for trying to make a fool of you?
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QFT
Lol
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@driftdiver
You're blathering and LOLing all over the place but still you refuse to address my question.
Why are you okay with a Fed employee's deliberate attempt to mislead you?
If Obama had done the same thing, would you have dismissed it? Even defended him for trying to make a fool of you?
@CatherineofAragon
You hate him because he's incompetent and can't do anything right but then they post the wrong picture and you see some broad conspiracy. Make up your mind because you never trumpers are the ones looking foolish
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@CatherineofAragon
You've noticed the pattern, right?
@RoosGirl
I have. Conservatives attempting to shut up speech they don't like.
Not gonna happen.
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blah blah blah If only the rest of the world was as smart as you nevertrumpers then the world would be perfect and we'd all live in utopia
@driftdiver
I never claimed I was Smart, just not gullible enough to believe all the crap that your guy said during the campaign and after, he is what he is, I've moved on but I reserve the right to criticize him as others here~It is our patriotic duty to try and hold his feet to the fire since his fan club will not do it, as promised.
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@CatherineofAragon
You hate him because he's incompetent and can't do anything right but then they post the wrong picture and you see some broad conspiracy. Make up your mind because you never trumpers are the ones looking foolish
@driftdiver
More avoidance.
Pence tried to make a fool of Trump supporters with that phony pic. Are you all right with it? If so, why ?
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@driftdiver
More avoidance.
Pence tried to make a fool of Trump supporters with that phony pic. Are you all right with it? If so, why ?
I wonder why the older pic was used. Was it another twitter-failure-by-aide? lol
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@RoosGirl
I have. Conservatives attempting to shut up speech they don't like.
Not gonna happen.
Uh.... don't blame the Conservatives. Conservatives don't do that. Blame the Authoritarians. You know who they are (here).
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@CatherineofAragon
You hate him because he's incompetent and can't do anything right but then they post the wrong picture and you see some broad conspiracy. Make up your mind because you never trumpers are the ones looking foolish
@driftdiver
Are you familiar with modern photo snapping? With the process of taking one and posting it to social media?
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@driftdiver
More avoidance.
Pence tried to make a fool of Trump supporters with that phony pic. Are you all right with it? If so, why ?
@CatherineofAragon
I don't care about a picture. Its irrelevant. Some web person grabbed the wrong picture. whooop deee dooo
He walked out, thats what I care about.
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Uh.... don't blame the Conservatives. Conservatives don't do that. Blame the Authoritarians. You know who they are (here).
@XenaLee
Point taken.
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@driftdiver
I never claimed I was Smart, just not gullible enough to believe all the crap that your guy said during the campaign and after, he is what he is, I've moved on but I reserve the right to criticize him as others here~It is our patriotic duty to try and hold his feet to the fire since his fan club will not do it, as promised.
@corbe
If only you had been as passionate when BO was in office.
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QFT
Do I detect a bit of sarcasm? Lol
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@CatherineofAragon
I don't care about a picture. Its irrelevant. Some web person grabbed the wrong picture. whooop deee dooo
He walked out, thats what I care about.
@driftdiver
See my previous question. It's not as simple as "grabbing the wrong picture." It's a simple thing to take a pic and post it straight to social media. To accidentally post a three year old pic, Pence would have had to search his camera roll to find it, making it deliberate.
He had the fake one ready to go. To deceive you. And you lap it up.
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oh, but I was @driftdiver, you can check my posting history here and TOS the big difference that you fail to recognize is that obummer didn't run as a Conservative under the GOP banner, your boy did. I am not a democrat or republican just an equal opportunity NT'er (whatever that is).
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Ted Cruz said a staffer did that "like" per porn. Really, trying to assert dishonesty per something posted on twitter is really grasping at straws.
https://twitter.com/GovWalker
Scott Walker's twitter, as if it mattered if he is a Green Bay fan; and if something got posted from a past game.
That alleged "false" twitter only says "awaiting for the 2nd half", something like that and a picture is posted. There is nothing explicitly saying "We are waiting for the 2nd half and this is us".
Here, the tweet is on page 1: http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,284934.0.html
"Looking forward to cheering for our @Colts & honoring the great career of #18 Peyton Manning @LucasOilStadium, Go Colts"
And posting that picture of them in Colts gear. So what?
Also, I don't necessarily believe that just because journalist Peter Alexander said they were told to wait in the van, that it is so. We know how many of these journalists think. This could be smoke. We don't know its definitely true.
@CatherineofAragon
In all honesty, this should be seen as playing fast and loose with the truth, just posting a picture of one in Colts gear and saying we are waiting for the 2nd half does not mean that is them watching the game in progress.
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QFT
:silly: :silly:
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Uh.... don't blame the Conservatives. Conservatives don't do that. Blame the Authoritarians. You know who they are (here).
We ALL do.
btw, doing some thinking and re-thinking of my personal NFL boycott based on your thoughts expressed here.
The left IS trying to destroy an American tradition, and I had not considered our counter-protests as aiding and abetting the enemy.
Perhaps it is..... :pondering:
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We ALL do.
btw, doing some thinking and re-thinking of my personal NFL boycott based on your thoughts expressed here.
The left IS trying to destroy an American tradition, and I had not considered our counter-protests as aiding and abetting the enemy.
Perhaps it is..... :pondering:
It definitely is (unintended consequences). I can almost hear the leftists gleefully cheering and cackling as more and more fans walk out and boycott the games. I don't even like football, but I hope the left fails in this endeavor of theirs. I hope they fail in their EVERY endeavor. :0001:
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Ted Cruz said a staffer did that "like" per porn. Really, trying to assert dishonesty per something posted on twitter is really grasping at straws.
https://twitter.com/GovWalker
Scott Walker's twitter, as if it mattered if he is a Green Bay fan; and if something got posted from a past game.
That alleged "false" twitter only says "awaiting for the 2nd half", something like that and a picture is posted. There is nothing explicitly saying "We are waiting for the 2nd half and this is us"
@TomSea
Oh, I'm sorry! I didn't realize that people are supposed to include "YES THIS IS US, IT REALLY IS! NOT A FAKE PHOTO!" every time they snap a pic.
Lol, what a time to be alive. :laugh:
Btw, if y'all notice a lot of modifications from me, it's because it's getting near time for a new laptop.
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@driftdiver
See my previous question. It's not as simple as "grabbing the wrong picture." It's a simple thing to take a pic and post it straight to social media. To accidentally post a three year old pic, Pence would have had to search his camera roll to find it, making it deliberate.
He had the fake one ready to go. To deceive you. And you lap it up.
@CatherineofAragon
Man you are one offensive person. Nobody "laps' diddly squat up especially your BS
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Btw, if y'all notice a lot of modifications from me, it's because it's getting near time for a new laptop.
I get a new laptop every couple hours.....usually when there is a shift change at the strip club.
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I get a new laptop every couple hours.....usually when there is a shift change at the strip club.
@Frank Cannon
*grin*
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Do you member on how we didn't like the Fed Gov going after the Washington Redskins cause their name wasn't PC?
I didn't much cotton to the NCAA going after the "Fighting Sioux" logo and team names at the University of North Dakota--especially since the logo was designed by a Native American artist and approved by the Spirit Lake Sioux Tribal Elders. But the NCAA knew more than those people and were offended for them, because they apparently figured they weren't smart enough to be offended by something they had approved. Go figure, and tell me who the 'racists' were in that one.
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@CatherineofAragon
Man you are one offensive person. Nobody "laps' diddly squat up especially your BS
@CatherineofAragon isn't one bit offensive.
She's just winning the argument, and you don't like it.
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I imagine if a Dem did what Pence did no one here would be defending this action.
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I imagine if a Dem did what Pence did no one here would be defending this action.
The President and Vice President fly around ALL the time for public appearances.
Or are you referring to the walking about because they kneeled. Well were safe because we know a democrat wouldn't do that, they'd join the players in taking a knee.
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The President and Vice President fly around ALL the time for public appearances.
Or are you referring to the walking about because they kneeled. Well were safe because we know a democrat wouldn't do that, they'd join the players in taking a knee.
or it Trump owned an NFL Franchise he would be doing the same thing with the players. It is for show.
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I imagine if a Dem did what Pence did no one here would be defending this action.
We did imagine it every time over the last 25 years we wished the GOP could match or exceed the PR skills of the Rats in framing debates.
Politics is optics and this is a tremendous wedge issue for the GOP. You either are a patriotic American or a Commie symp bastard kneeling like a Frenchman surrendering. It's pretty cool.
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Even the times on the twitter are messed up; it doesn't even look like this one that is "alleged" to be trickery was even posted at game-time: @CatherineofAragon
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLo8MB9UIAAkmDS.jpg:large)
https://twitter.com/VP
The original is at Pence's twitter account, the nearest I can see, there is no time stamp to date when it was originally posted. Thus, one doesn't have a leg-to-stand on saying this was posted at the game. It could have been posted early in the morning, all Pence says is:
Vice President PenceVerified account @VP Oct 8
Looking forward to cheering for our @Colts & honoring the great career of #18 Peyton Manning at @LucasOilStadium today. Go Colts!
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@CatherineofAragon
Man you are one offensive person. Nobody "laps' diddly squat up especially your BS
From what I see, there is no timeline on the picture, could have been posted at 8:30 AM Sunday morning. To assert Pence posted this knowing it was false; **nononono*
Don't worry about who says whom is winning the argument.
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Yes, I click on the tweet at the VP twitter to enlarge it and it reads it was posted at 8:27 AM Sunday morning. Now? What are we going to say that the game started that early? London kickoff maybe?
:silly:
https://twitter.com/VP
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Why would Vice President Pence leave the Colts game because some of the opposing team's players knelt during the National Anthem?
I can see doing it if his own team's players disrespected the Anthem. But the opposing team? I'd think he'd stay to root to see their treasonous asses kicked six ways from Sunday.
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Why would Vice President Pence leave the Colts game because some of the opposing team's players knelt during the National Anthem?
I can see doing it if his own team's players disrespected the Anthem. But the opposing team? I'd think he'd stay to root to see their treasonous asses kicked six ways from Sunday.
That's a good point but the Colts had done some of this in prior games.
(http://media.theindychannel.com/photo/2017/09/24/colts-kneel--getty_1506285549999_67095218_ver1.0_640_480.jpg)
Actually, I wonder why he would have gone but again, looking at Governor Walker's twitter, he has been supporting the Packers. I am sure, they are a big homestate draw in Wisconsin.
https://twitter.com/GovWalker
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLfMNHqWAAAJKCt.jpg)
I'd have to read whether he has gotten into the anthem controversy.
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Do I detect a bit of sarcasm? Lol
Who? Me? ^-^ 888high58888
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or it Trump owned an NFL Franchise he would be doing the same thing with the players. It is for show.
No, I don't think so. It got personal with Trump's infamous tweet, and the protesters made it clear it's Trump they're protesting now.
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We did imagine it every time over the last 25 years we wished the GOP could match or exceed the PR skills of the Rats in framing debates.
Politics is optics and this is a tremendous wedge issue for the GOP. You either are a patriotic American or a Commie symp bastard kneeling like a Frenchman surrendering. It's pretty cool.
I don't understand why anyone calling themselves republican, let alone conservative, would have a problem with someone on our side actually playing the PR game instead of surrendering the field as usual.
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Exactly. The only reason this is getting so much play is because NeverTrumpers reflexively jump on board with Leftist in their hatred of all thing Trump, so the word is spread across the political world far and wide.
There are three political forces whose actions scream “I hate Trump.” Leftist Democrats, establishment types, and NeverTrump. And that’s the reality Trump faces daily.
And they sound much the same.
:patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
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And they sound much the same.
:patriot: :patriot: :patriot:
[imghttps://pics.me.me/oh-really-a-14225084.png][/img]
Patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels, whether they be Trump, Pence, Jerry Jones, or hundreds of NFL players locked arm in arm.
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[imghttps://pics.me.me/oh-really-a-14225084.png][/img]
Patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels, whether it be Trump, Pence, Jerry Jones, or hundreds of NFL players locked arm in arm.
Check the life news foruim which we usually don't see Never Trumpers in, it's rather revolting to hear the biggest or at least in the top 3, socially conservative president talked in this way. Perhaps we should wonder who is a conservative or who is a scoundrel?
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Yes, I click on the tweet at the VP twitter to enlarge it and it reads it was posted at 8:27 AM Sunday morning. Now? What are we going to say that the game started that early? London kickoff maybe?
:silly:
https://twitter.com/VP
@TomSea
(https://i.imgur.com/abZCOiO.jpg)
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Check the life news foruim which we usually don't see Never Trumpers in, it's rather revolting to hear the biggest or at least in the top 3, socially conservative president talked in this way. Perhaps we should wonder who is a conservative or who is a scoundrel?
@TomSea
That's right, unless members post in the forum you deem appropriate, they're pro-abortion.
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@TomSea
That's right, unless members post in the forum you deem appropriate, they're pro-abortion.
It isn't as if we haven't made our opinion of the slaughter of innocents well enough known. I guess we just didn't post it under the right label so it doesn't count. *****rollingeyes*****
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It isn't as if we haven't made our opinion of the slaughter of innocents well enough known. I guess we just didn't post it under the right label so it doesn't count. *****rollingeyes*****
@Smokin Joe
Exactly right.
The hardcore Trump fans expect the rest of us to constantly jump through hoops and prove ourselves. I'm done playing that game.
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@Smokin Joe
Exactly right.
The hardcore Trump fans expect the rest of us to constantly jump through hoops and prove ourselves. I'm done playing that game.
It's not a game.
It's a deliberate, vile lie about the staunchest pro-life people on this forum, and Tom has been told repeatedly to stop telling it.
But his love for Trump supersedes his honor.
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Check the life news foruim which we usually don't see Never Trumpers in, it's rather revolting to hear the biggest or at least in the top 3, socially conservative president talked in this way. Perhaps we should wonder who is a conservative or who is a scoundrel?
That is not true...the Life News cat was suggested by a *Never Trumper*...revolting?....give me a break!
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@TomSea
That's right, unless members post in the forum you deem appropriate, they're pro-abortion.
Now, you aren't even thinking about your remarks.
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That is not true...the Life News cat was suggested by a *Never Trumper*...revolting?....give me a break!
I never see them over there, Morgana?
Also, I don't think "revolting" can be even disputed, since some topics are off-limits apparently, someone has to delicately say things.
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It's not a game.
It's a deliberate, vile lie about the staunchest pro-life people on this forum, and Tom has been told repeatedly to stop telling it.
But his love for Trump supersedes his honor.
You are telling vile lies, but hey, the mods are now protecting hypocrites in saying whatever they want, lest others have to go sit into the corner.
And back at cha, at least, I have some honor.
Support every Republican candidate since 1980, and some dingaling claims you love them.
Sure, maybe next time, you can give your valuable input and tell people they are winning arguments and others are losing, at least, I know I won't be reading that again.
*****rollingeyes*****
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I never see them over there, Morgana?
Also, I don't think "revolting" can be even disputed, since some topics are off-limits apparently, someone has to delicately say things.
Listen here, if things had be said delicately around here I would never be allowed to say anything.
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Oh, and I'll go by what Father Pavone and Martin Luther King's neice say on the subject, it seems the only ones who breached the topic and mentioned ab-rt-n are not me, I put it delicately and I figured there was some reason the mods came down like a ton of bricks on someone in the past, but I hope the censorship does not now include merely saying "social conservative issues" or "pro-life causes".
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Poor you. How tough it must be.
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Poor you. How tough it must be.
I don't get what he's going on about? Who here has been censored for talking about abortion?
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Poor you. How tough it must be.
I don't feel sorry for poor Tom.
I'm sick of being called a pro-abort by him.........
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I don't get what he's going on about? Who here has been censored for talking about abortion?
He's whining about the fact that he has this pavlovian habit of repeatedly stating the falsehood about Donny being the "most pro life President we've ever had" any time there is a thread critical of Trump and the Mods get onto him for being a troll and trying to hijack the thread.
ETA: And then today he took it a step beyond stupid by insinuating that people who claim to be Christians and at the same time bash Trump are hypocrites because they never post in the Life News section of TBR.
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He's whining about the fact that he has this pavlovian habit of repeatedly stating the falsehood about Donny being the "most pro life President we've ever had" any time there is a thread critical of Trump and the Mods get onto him for being a troll and trying to hijack the thread.
ETA: And then today he took it a step beyond stupid by insinuating that people who claim to be Christians and at the same time bash Trump are hypocrites because they never post in the Life News section of TBR.
Haha, so he gets dinged by the mods for trolling and hijacking a thread and he says it's him being censored. LOL
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Haha, so he gets dinged by the mods for trolling and hijacking a thread and he says it's him being censored. LOL
Sad isn't it?
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@Smokin Joe
Exactly right.
The hardcore Trump fans expect the rest of us to constantly jump through hoops and prove ourselves. I'm done playing that game.
Half the nation voted for him, please, this isn't a cult and more demeaning language. Some people will vote for every GOP candidate that comes along in the general election.
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He's whining about the fact that he has this pavlovian habit of repeatedly stating the falsehood about Donny being the "most pro life President we've ever had" any time there is a thread critical of Trump and the Mods get onto him for being a troll and trying to hijack the thread.
ETA: And then today he took it a step beyond stupid by insinuating that people who claim to be Christians and at the same time bash Trump are hypocrites because they never post in the Life News section of TBR.
You aren't the expert, I will go by the words of Pro-Life leaders, it be Martin Luther King's neice or Father Pavone, not some guy on the internet, TxRadioGuy; who seems to have a man crush on Dubya so likes to see Trump put down.
By the way, this is a big lie, glad I won't have to read these smears anymore.
And then today he took it a step beyond stupid by insinuating that people who claim to be Christians and at the same time bash Trump are hypocrites because they never post in the Life News section of TBR.
That's not what someone said. Hasta La Vista, Adios.
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Haha, so he gets dinged by the mods for trolling and hijacking a thread and he says it's him being censored. LOL
Nobody is trolling but you've shown plenty of abuse today; let alone, your buddy wingnut who was appalling. I'll try not to sink into TxRadioguy's and your namecalling. Ha ha, and all you can do is accuse others of lying and other falsehoods? Well, I'm glad the control panel has an answer to that.
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Sad isn't it?
I’ve been pro life since I was old enough to understand what abortion meant. What someone calls me has no bearing on anything and frankly doesn’t bother me. I’ve been called a lot of names if I folded or ran scars every time I was called something nasty I’d have never made it out of grade school. Let liberals flap their gums and call us whatever they want. We know the truth
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So, likewise, abusive posters have to come in and defend musiclady who as usual, comes out of nowhere to scold people, have fun!
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Nobody is trolling but you've shown plenty of abuse today; let alone, your buddy wingnut who was appalling. I'll try not to sink into TxRadioguy's and your namecalling. Ha ha, and all you can do is accuse others of lying and other falsehoods? Well, I'm glad the control panel has an answer to that.
What language should I choose in Google translate to translate this from into English?
And Wingnut hasn't been here in what? A month? What does he have to do with anything?
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I’ve been pro life since I was old enough to understand what abortion meant. What someone calls me has no bearing on anything and frankly doesn’t bother me. I’ve been called a lot of names if I folded or ran scars every time I was called something nasty I’d have never made it out of grade school. Let liberals flap their gums and call us whatever they want. We know the truth
So, says someone who smears the most pro-life president in their avatar.
Sorry, my vote means something, and whether you, other haters smear others, Trump has more pro-life acts then any other president, at least, in his first year than any other, your smears aren't going to change the facts, Trump has given rights of religious freedom back too.
We know the truth alright, and you can't change it with some dopey avatar and smears on others.
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Half the nation voted for him, please, this isn't a cult and more demeaning language.
What's demeaning is your belief that people here are as dumb as you and will fall for the crap you posted above that I bolded.
Here let me show you how easy it is to dispel your lies.
Popular vote 2016 General Election
Hillary R. Clinton
65,853,516 - 48.2%
Donald J. Trump
62,984,825 - 46.1%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2016
"Half of America" didn't vote for Trump. Unless you're going by the 1940 U.S. Census.
Not sure why you think you can just toss out complete and utter BS like that and expect us to believe it.
Most of the people here aren't sheep like you are.
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So, likewise, abusive posters have to come in and defend musiclady who as usual, comes out of nowhere to scold people, have fun!
We're defending her from a proven liar who isn't above abusive personal attacks of his own.
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Half the nation voted for him, please, this isn't a cult and more demeaning language. Some people will vote for every GOP candidate that comes along in the general election.
Let me help you with that math.
62,985,106 divided by 324,013,797 is less than 20%
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This thread is not on ab==rt--n (see mods, I didn't even mention it); my only point, is if one wants to defend their position, the life news section is the appropriate section to do such, as it is, you all are way off topic in a thread that is about Vice President Pence and the NFL.
This thread is not about the 2nd amendment, but Trump was endorsed by the NRA, Armed American Radio and others too. So, I have acted for my 2nd amendment rights via voting for the GOP candidate as I always do. Not talking about taking up arms against the Government as some Never Trumpers apparently have.
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Let me help you with that math.
62,985,106 divided by 324,013,797 is less than 20%
He's using the 1940 Census data to make his claim.
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This thread is not on ab==rt--n (see mods, I didn't even mention it); my only point, is if one wants to defend their position, the life news section is the appropriate section to do such, as it is, you all are way off topic in a thread that is about Vice President Pence and the NFL.
This thread is not about the 2nd amendment, but Trump was endorsed by the NRA, Armed American Radio and others too. So, I have acted for my 2nd amendment rights via voting for the GOP candidate as I always do. Not talking about taking up arms against the Government as some Never Trumpers apparently have.
(https://exposingbf.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/wpid-6072c3f98f422cbfe116f89220478223.jpg?w=700)
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Now, you aren't even thinking about your remarks.
@TomSea
You've said it before and you're doing the same here. Tom, do you not even understand your own posts?
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Let me help you with that math.
62,985,106 divided by 324,013,797 is less than 20%
So, how did Trump win if he only got 20% of the vote nit-picker?
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What's demeaning is your belief that people here are as dumb as you and will fall for the crap you posted above that I bolded.
Here let me show you how easy it is to dispel your lies.
Popular vote 2016 General Election
Hillary R. Clinton
65,853,516 - 48.2%
Donald J. Trump
62,984,825 - 46.1%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2016
"Half of America" didn't vote for Trump. Unless you're going by the 1940 U.S. Census.
Not sure why you think you can just toss out complete and utter BS like that and expect us to believe it.
Most of the people here aren't sheep like you are.
Don't be an a-hole, Tex. You know full well, what @TomSea meant.
The people who voted are responsible for the election results. Half voted for Trump.
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I’ve been pro life since I was old enough to understand what abortion meant. What someone calls me has no bearing on anything and frankly doesn’t bother me. I’ve been called a lot of names if I folded or ran scars every time I was called something nasty I’d have never made it out of grade school. Let liberals flap their gums and call us whatever they want. We know the truth
The problem is when the liberal flapping his gums is on a conservative website.
None of us is running from him. In fact, it's quite the opposite.
He's being called out for his repeated slander of the pro-lifers on this forum.
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Oh, and I'll go by what Father Pavone and Martin Luther King's neice say on the subject, it seems the only ones who breached the topic and mentioned ab-rt-n are not me, I put it delicately and I figured there was some reason the mods came down like a ton of bricks on someone in the past, but I hope the censorship does not now include merely saying "social conservative issues" or "pro-life causes".
@TomSea
Yeah, you're always "going by" what someone else thinks. You ought to try developing your own opinions.
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Half the nation voted for him, please, this isn't a cult and more demeaning language. Some people will vote for every GOP candidate that comes along in the general election.
Sorry I call baloney on that, I think it could be said with great assurance that a significant number voted against Hillary, and you make my point with your second sentence. I do wonder about the incoherence in your first sentence though.
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Don't be an a-hole, Tex. You know full well, what @TomSea meant.
The people who voted are responsible for the election results. Half voted for Trump.
LOL Not even a majority. Wailing and gnashing of teeth!
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Don't be an a-hole, Tex. You know full well, what @TomSea meant.
The people who voted are responsible for the election results. Half voted for Trump.
He posted a demonstrably false statement.
I simply showed him the facts.
I'm addressing what he said...exactly what he said.
If a desire to be factual when people are just tossing out utter nonsense makes me an @sshole...then so be it.
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@TomSea
Yeah, you're always "going by" what someone else thinks. You ought to try developing your own opinions.
@CatherineofAragon
It seems to get things done.
Anyway, the life forum can see these things debated in their proper area if some deem some statements so offensive, it can apparently be defended. Thus, people don't want to debate these things because the record pretty much shows the truth.
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Sorry I call baloney on that, I think it could be said with great assurance that a significant number voted against Hillary, and you make my point with your second sentence. I do wonder about the incoherence in your first sentence though.
Yeah, says the guy who posted something to me that said "suck it", as if this was something unintentional.
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LOL Not even a majority. Wailing and gnashing of teeth!
@RoosGirl
To put an even finer point on it...popular vote wise...Trump didn't even get half of the 55% of the voting population that turned out for the 2016 General election.
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Actually, per elections, that losing the popular vote also pertains to W at least once. So, I'm glad we have a Republican in there, whatever you think of him.
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So, likewise, abusive posters have to come in and defend musiclady who as usual, comes out of nowhere to scold people, have fun!
@TomSea
I've never seen @musiclady act like anything except a lady here. As for scolding, you just got done taking members to task because they don't hang out at your favorite thread
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The problem is when the liberal flapping his gums is on a conservative website.
None of us is running from him. In fact, it's quite the opposite.
He's being called out for his repeated slander of the pro-lifers on this forum.
I wasn’t saying anyone was running from him In fact I suggest ignoring it. It doesn’t matter what he calls us it has no bearing on the truth. But whenever he starts this crap everyone rushes in to dispute what he says and the initial discussion is lost. I raised a kid like this. If he can tie you up in knots trying to defend against his nonsense he has won. Ignore it or laugh at it....
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http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/board,107.0.html
Life News forum,
Anyone is dared to go to the right place to speak about some issues, but I think we know the answer to this:
(http://rs294.pbsrc.com/albums/mm87/Pamelia_and_Stormi_SongBird/funny%20gifs%20and%20pics/dancingchicken.gif~c200)
Haha, they like to call others liars but won't defend their words, instead they will abuse others saying they are hijacking a thread or other names.
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Nobody is trolling but you've shown plenty of abuse today; let alone, your buddy wingnut who was appalling. I'll try not to sink into TxRadioguy's and your namecalling. Ha ha, and all you can do is accuse others of lying and other falsehoods? Well, I'm glad the control panel has an answer to that.
Control panel...lol, what?
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@TomSea
I've never seen @musiclady act like anything except a lady here. As for scolding, you just got done taking members to task because they don't hang out at your favorite thread
Tom knows that I'm a strong pro-lifer who didn't vote for Trump because he's a pro-abortion liberal.
And he can't deal with it, so he attacks all of us on the forum who are pro-lifers who opposed Trump as being pro-abortion.
It's absurd. I actually feel sorry for him.
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Trump won an electoral landslide, this is way off topic, he won states the GOP had not seen in some cases, decades, like Pennsylvania and Michigan. Otherwise, we'd be saddle with the Democrats for at least 4 more years and probably the end of America.
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http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/board,107.0.html
Life News forum,
Anyone is dared to go to the right place to speak about some issues, but I think we know the answer to this:
(http://ursispaltenstein.ch/blog/images/uploads_img/dancing_chicken.jpg)
Haha, they like to call others liars but won't defend their words, instead they will abuse others saying they are hijacking a thread or other names.
You've already been told by the owner of TBR @mystery-ak to stop this ugly false attack you insist on continuing to make.
Quote from: TomSea on Today at 05:25:36 PM
Check the life news foruim which we usually don't see Never Trumpers in, it's rather revolting to hear the biggest or at least in the top 3, socially conservative president talked in this way. Perhaps we should wonder who is a conservative or who is a scoundrel?
That is not true...the Life News cat was suggested by a *Never Trumper*...revolting?....give me a break!
Are you trying to get booted from here?
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I wasn’t saying anyone was running from him In fact I suggest ignoring it. It doesn’t matter what he calls us it has no bearing on the truth. But whenever he starts this crap everyone rushes in to dispute what he says and the initial discussion is lost. I raised a kid like this. If he can tie you up in knots trying to defend against his nonsense he has won. Ignore it or laugh at it....
Advice taken @Mom MD .
His nonsense will be henceforth ignored. 888high58888
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So, how did Trump win if he only got 20% of the vote nit-picker?
More than half the nation wasn't voting.
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I voted for Dubya two times for President. Glad now, that people can identify me as having "Dubya Love".
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@RoosGirl
To put an even finer point on it...popular vote wise...Trump didn't even get half of the 55% of the voting population that turned out for the 2016 General election.
That is what I meant. You said it more clearly than I did. :)
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More than half the nation wasn't voting.
Trump won, half the voters voted him in and over half the states did. You are playing semantics, I don't need any sort of a condescending attitude when one is just playing some semantics game. We all know who won the election.
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Any takers, voted for the man two times. I must have Bush Love.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtI69SVW8AAF_an.jpg)
:silly:
Must belong to a cult.
@musiclady
Waiting for the accusation.
I've got Mitt Love, I've got Dole Love, I've got McCain love.... well, one sour note out of so many elections isn't bad.
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@thackney
Why settle on the number of inhabitants of the USA? And I think it is closer to about 305,000,000; but if one chooses to go that road, maybe I meant landwise?
(http://todaysalternativefact.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Electoral-Map-543x360.jpg)
There's more than one way to gauge the vote, even by county, if people are being semantic.
(http://www.theragblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/electoral-map-county-2016.jpg)
"Half the nation voted for him, please, this isn't a cult and more demeaning language. Some people will vote for every GOP candidate that comes along in the general election."
Let me help you with the math.
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@thackney
Why settle on the number of inhabitants of the USA? And I think it is closer to about 305,000,000; but if one chooses to go that road, maybe I meant landwise?
(http://todaysalternativefact.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Electoral-Map-543x360.jpg)
There's more than one way to gauge the vote, even by county, if people are being semantic.
(http://www.theragblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/electoral-map-county-2016.jpg)
"Half the nation voted for him, please, this isn't a cult and more demeaning language. Some people will vote for every GOP candidate that comes along in the general election."
Let me help you with the math.
The acres did not cast votes Tom. Nor did the counties. Perhaps you are not aware, but it is people that cast the votes. And more than half of them said:
"None of the above.-
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Any takers, voted for the man two times. I must have Bush Love.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtI69SVW8AAF_an.jpg)
:silly:
Must belong to a cult.
@musiclady
Waiting for the accusation.
I've got Mitt Love, I've got Dole Love, I've got McCain love.... well, one sour note out of so many elections isn't bad.
Thanks for reinforcing why I have you on permanent "IGNORE" Tommy.
btw, maybe none of the actual pro-life people go to your threads because you keep being a jerk and lying about us. Ever consider telling the truth for a change and getting some of the REAL pro-lifers here to participate on your Trump-is-god threads??
Nah........... that would be honorable.
Done feeding the troll. But it's good to get a reminder that trolls like Tom sully this lovely forum with their very presence and it's better not to see the garbage they spew......
:seeya:
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@CatherineofAragon
It seems to get things done.
Anyway, the life forum can see these things debated in their proper area if some deem some statements so offensive, it can apparently be defended. Thus, people don't want to debate these things because the record pretty much shows the truth.
@TomSea
What truth?
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Oh, and I'll go by what Father Pavone and Martin Luther King's neice say on the subject, it seems the only ones who breached the topic and mentioned ab-rt-n are not me, I put it delicately and I figured there was some reason the mods came down like a ton of bricks on someone in the past, but I hope the censorship does not now include merely saying "social conservative issues" or "pro-life causes".
Well, Tom, Father Pavone is in my inbox on nearly a daily basis, so if you don't see me over in the forum, it might just be because I have been reading that news elsewhere.
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Father Pavone is in my inbox on nearly a daily basis....
Is he in there rooting through your stuff? Nosy bastard.
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Don't be an a-hole, Tex. You know full well, what @TomSea meant.
The people who voted are responsible for the election results. Half voted for Trump.
Nope. Your total doesn't even include the people who voted third party. While that was 'only' 5.04% of the overall vote, that puts trump well under half of those who voted.
Presidential ticket Party Ballot access Votes[3][247] Percentage
States Electors % of voters
Trump / Pence Republican 50 + DC 538 100% 62,984,825 46.09%
Clinton / Kaine Democratic 50 + DC 538 100% 65,853,516 48.18%
Johnson / Weld Libertarian 50 + DC 538 100% 4,489,221 3.28%
Stein / Baraka Green 44 + DC 480 89% 1,457,216 1.07%
McMullin / Finn Independent 11 84 15% 731,788 0.54%
Castle / Bradley Constitution 24 207 39% 203,010 0.15%
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2016 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2016)
On the popular vote, 53.22% of voters (not counting write-ins) did not vote for Mr. Trump. He won because of the distribution of those who did vote for him, giving him the electoral vote. But no matter how people dance around it, 46.78% is a bit less than half.
He is the POTUS. We'll do the best with what we have, but history is better rewritten if you let the ink dry first.
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Yeah, says the guy who posted something to me that said "suck it", as if this was something unintentional.
I would never unintentionally or incoherently tell someone to "suck it", take that as you would, since you made the accusation provide the proof please because I don't recall it. Who knows I might even owe you an apology depending on the context. Your 50% figure voting for Trump is still baloney, not even quality baloney. I will say that I am impressed with the number of stories you post that takes a lot of time and energy.
@TomSea