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Title: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Silver Pines on November 14, 2017, 02:06:27 am
Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore

By Abby Livingston and Claire Allbright
11/13/2017


WASHINGTON — Texas' two U.S. senators, John Cornyn and Ted Cruz, on Monday withdrew their support for Roy Moore, the embattled GOP nominee for Senate in Alabama.

Read more at:

https://www.texastribune.org/2017/11/13/john-cornyn-pulls-support-roy-moore-alabama-senate/ (https://www.texastribune.org/2017/11/13/john-cornyn-pulls-support-roy-moore-alabama-senate/)
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Silver Pines on November 14, 2017, 02:06:52 am
"One of two things should happen: If these allegations are true, Judge Moore should drop out now. Today," Cruz told reporters. "The people of Alabama deserve to have the option of voting for a strong conservative who has not committed criminal conduct. Or two, if these allegations are not true, then Judge Moore needs to come forward with a strong, persuasive rebuttal demonstrating that they are untrue."

When asked if he was pulling his endorsement, Cruz responded: "I am not able to urge the people of Alabama to support his candidacy so long as these allegations remain un-refuted."


This was the right thing to do.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 14, 2017, 02:11:56 am
Wow.  Even if he wins, Moore won't last in the Senate.  Not after this from Sen. Cruz ...

"Both last week and this week, there are serious charges of criminal conduct that if true, not only make him unfit to serve in the Senate but merit criminal prosecution," he added
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Silver Pines on November 14, 2017, 02:14:32 am
Cruz added that normal men don't sign high school girls' yearbooks.

According to Erick Erickson's Twitter, he was known as a lawyer who cruised malls for young girls, and was ultimately banned from one mall for badgering them.

Edited---cops went on the record as remembering this.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: RetBobbyMI on November 14, 2017, 02:14:35 am
I just don’t understand why everyone is in such a rush to judgement. They aren’t doing that with Hillary who has much more factual evidence against her. Makes me think Washington DC is the new Salem, Mass.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Silver Pines on November 14, 2017, 02:20:50 am
I just don’t understand why everyone is in such a rush to judgement. They aren’t doing that with Hillary who has much more factual evidence against her. Makes me think Washington DC is the new Salem, Mass.

@RetBobbyMI, I hardly think it's a rush to judgment.  Far from it. 
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: endicom on November 14, 2017, 02:30:08 am
@RetBobbyMI, I hardly think it's a rush to judgment.  Far from it.

With regret, I think you're right. Cruz is not McConnell and if cops are now weighing in then he's cooked.

Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: RetBobbyMI on November 14, 2017, 02:31:52 am
@RetBobbyMI, I hardly think it's a rush to judgment.  Far from it.
So on what basis is their judgement? Is there anything more than unproven allegations?
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 14, 2017, 02:42:20 am
So on what basis is their judgement? Is there anything more than unproven allegations?

The drip, drip is becoming an avalanche.  Moore needs to break out of this and now.

Here's a link to an article from another thread that's paints a disturbing  picture of Moore.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/locals-were-troubled-by-roy-moores-interactions-with-teen-girls-at-the-gadsden-mall
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: roamer_1 on November 14, 2017, 02:58:50 am
The drip, drip is becoming an avalanche.  Moore needs to break out of this and now.

Here's a link to an article from another thread that's paints a disturbing  picture of Moore.

Right... An article with gossipers that retain incredible clarity, and oddly enough, not a single official confirmation... Much ado about JD Thomas, who would not confirm the tale - if anyone would remember multiple acts of escorting Moore off the premises, it would be him... Likewise past managers - all of whom declined to say a damn thing.

You guys really need to find a blue dress.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 14, 2017, 03:03:46 am
Right... An article with gossipers that retain incredible clarity, and oddly enough, not a single official confirmation... Much ado about JD Thomas, who would not confirm the tale - if anyone would remember multiple acts of escorting Moore off the premises, it would be him... Likewise past managers - all of whom declined to say a damn thing.

You guys really need to find a blue dress.

The sad reality is:  An avalanche of innuendo and gossip takes on a life of its own.  It's the "where there's smoke, there's fire" syndrome.

As to the blue dress comment, I'll assume you were talking to Cruz.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Silver Pines on November 14, 2017, 03:05:48 am
With regret, I think you're right. Cruz is not McConnell and if cops are now weighing in then he's cooked.

@endicom

Yes, Cruz isn’t one to knee jerk or to make a decision without consideration .
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Silver Pines on November 14, 2017, 03:06:59 am
So on what basis is their judgement? Is there anything more than unproven allegations?

@RetBobbyMI

It’s not a court of law. 
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: roamer_1 on November 14, 2017, 03:07:26 am
The sad reality is:  An avalanche of innuendo and gossip takes on a life of its own.  It's the "where there's smoke, there's fire" syndrome.

As to the blue dress comment, I'll assume you were talking to Cruz.

Yeah - I'm talking to all y'all.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: jmyrlefuller on November 14, 2017, 03:08:09 am
It’s not a court of law.
Pitchfork and torch carrying mobs aren't courts of law, either, but that doesn't make them just arbiters of truth!
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: kevindavis007 on November 14, 2017, 03:15:43 am
Pitchfork and torch carrying mobs aren't courts of law, either, but that doesn't make them just arbiters of truth!


With regards to the mall:


5 lawyers and two cops just said that Roy Moore was BANNED from the local shopping mall because he was a serial stalker of teenage girls there.



Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: roamer_1 on November 14, 2017, 03:22:15 am

With regards to the mall:


5 lawyers and two cops just said that Roy Moore was BANNED from the local shopping mall because he was a serial stalker of teenage girls there.

Something the actual management, and the mall cop, would not substantiate.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: mystery-ak on November 14, 2017, 03:22:55 am

With regards to the mall:


5 lawyers and two cops just said that Roy Moore was BANNED from the local shopping mall because he was a serial stalker of teenage girls there.

OMG...someone get a hook... (http://static.onepoliticalplaza.com/upload/2015/6/8/1433782390955-stage_hook.gif)
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: jmyrlefuller on November 14, 2017, 03:24:07 am

With regards to the mall:


5 lawyers and two cops just said that Roy Moore was BANNED from the local shopping mall because he was a serial stalker of teenage girls there.
You've been posting smear articles on Moore all weekend.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: mystery-ak on November 14, 2017, 03:25:44 am
You've been posting smear articles on Moore all weekend.

Not sure this is a smear..Laura Ingrahm just mentioned this fact on her show
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: sinkspur on November 14, 2017, 03:27:28 am
Cruz added that normal men don't sign high school girls' yearbooks.

According to Erick Erickson's Twitter, he was known as a lawyer who cruised malls for young girls, and was ultimately banned from one mall for badgering them.

Edited---cops went on the record as remembering this.

Gadsden locals say Moore's predatory behavior at mall, restaurants not a secret

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/gadsden_residents_say_moores_b.html#incart_river_mobileshort_home
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Silver Pines on November 14, 2017, 03:29:21 am
Pitchfork and torch carrying mobs aren't courts of law, either, but that doesn't make them just arbiters of truth!

@jmyrlefuller

Of course not.  But someone is lying here, and we have to decide who.  Moore?  Or all of his accusers, their friends, relatives, all of Moore’s former colleagues, the cops and the mall employees? 
That defies belief, doesn’t it?   
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: roamer_1 on November 14, 2017, 03:34:15 am
@jmyrlefuller

Of course not.  But someone is lying here, and we have to decide who.  Moore?  Or all of his accusers, their friends, relatives, all of Moore’s former colleagues, the cops and the mall employees? 
That defies belief, doesn’t it?

Yes it does... That someone's daddy or brother didn't kick the living crap out of him back in the day certainly defies belief.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: sinkspur on November 14, 2017, 03:40:26 am
Yes it does... That someone's daddy or brother didn't kick the living crap out of him back in the day certainly defies belief.

Look at the way these gap-toothed hicks are reacting in Alabama.  The girl's daddy likely would have kicked HER ass.  Roy was a DA back then, you know, and he threatened Nelson with that.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Silver Pines on November 14, 2017, 03:40:32 am
OMG...someone get a hook... (http://static.onepoliticalplaza.com/upload/2015/6/8/1433782390955-stage_hook.gif)

@mystery-ak

Moore is a man who would have benefited from a beat down from someone’s father or brother.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Frank Cannon on November 14, 2017, 03:41:50 am
The drip, drip is becoming an avalanche.  Moore needs to break out of this and now.

Here's a link to an article from another thread that's paints a disturbing  picture of Moore.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/locals-were-troubled-by-roy-moores-interactions-with-teen-girls-at-the-gadsden-mall

There isn't one person interviewed in that article that had first hand information on anything. It was all people who never saw Moore there who were working off of rumors from others that when contacted had nothing to say.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Silver Pines on November 14, 2017, 03:43:08 am
Yes it does... That someone's daddy or brother didn't kick the living crap out of him back in the day certainly defies belief.

@roamer_1

I  posted that before reading what you said, lol.

What defies belief more?  That he didn’t get beaten, or that ALL of these people are lying? 
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: starstruck on November 14, 2017, 03:44:16 am
Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore

By Abby Livingston and Claire Allbright
11/13/2017


WASHINGTON — Texas' two U.S. senators, John Cornyn and Ted Cruz, on Monday withdrew their support for Roy Moore, the embattled GOP nominee for Senate in Alabama.

Read more at:

https://www.texastribune.org/2017/11/13/john-cornyn-pulls-support-roy-moore-alabama-senate/ (https://www.texastribune.org/2017/11/13/john-cornyn-pulls-support-roy-moore-alabama-senate/)
Moore was so unbelievable in his denials. I wanted to believe him, but come on. I didn't do it but it was 40 years ago and the mothers said it was OK? This guy was a Judge?
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: sinkspur on November 14, 2017, 03:46:04 am
You've been posting smear articles on Moore all weekend.

It's not possible to Smear Roy Moore.

He believes transgenders have no rights, gays deserve death,  children should be taken away from their lesbian mothers, Muslims should not serve in Congress, and that Sharia Law is operative in Illinois and Indiana.  He has no respect for the Constitution or judicial authority and is a law unto himself, which is why he was booted off the Alabama Supreme Court TWICE.

Alabama Republicans like him because he's a finger in the eye to the rest of America.  Unfortunately for him, he's got to leave Alabama to be a US Senator and he is not going to be welcomed even by those in his own party.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: mystery-ak on November 14, 2017, 03:48:12 am
Moore was so unbelievable in his denials. I wanted to believe him, but come on. I didn't do it but it was 40 years ago and the mothers said it was OK? This guy was a Judge?

I wanted to believe him to..I still do but I think we should cut our loses and get a new candidate in there so we don't lose that seat... I am hoping the Gov of Al postpones the election next month....
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 14, 2017, 03:48:18 am
There isn't one person interviewed in that article that had first hand information on anything. It was all people who never saw Moore there who were working off of rumors from others that when contacted had nothing to say.

I don't think it matters at this point.  Now it's just a pile on.  Moore either gets himself out from under this cloud or it will suffocate him. 

I hope he's got some strong PR folks.  Moore needs a strategy and quickly.

Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: mystery-ak on November 14, 2017, 03:49:50 am
I don't think it matters at this point.  Now it's just a pile on.  Moore either gets himself out from under this cloud or it will suffocate him. 

I hope he's got some strong PR folks.  Moore needs a strategy and quickly.

I think it's too late...so far there are 6...are there more?
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 14, 2017, 03:50:23 am
I wanted to believe him to..I still do but I think we should cut our loses and get a new candidate in there so we don't lose that seat... I am hoping the Gov of Al postpones the election next month....

Does the governor have to call a special election? (I know less than nothing about AL law)  Or can the seat remain with the governor's appointment until the mid-terms?
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Right_in_Virginia on November 14, 2017, 03:51:11 am
I think it's too late...so far there are 6...are there more?

Hope springs eternal .... I want us to keep the darn seat.   
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: sinkspur on November 14, 2017, 03:52:46 am
Does the governor have to call a special election? (I know less than nothing about AL law)  Or can the seat remain with the governor's appointment until the mid-terms?

The governor has said there will be no postponement of the election.  If Moore withdraws, he could still win, since his name is on the ballot. 

Or Doug Jones wins.  And the GOP loses a seat until 2020.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Frank Cannon on November 14, 2017, 03:56:29 am
I don't think it matters at this point.  Now it's just a pile on.  Moore either gets himself out from under this cloud or it will suffocate him. 

I hope he's got some strong PR folks.  Moore needs a strategy and quickly.

There's nothing you can do with this. Were dealing with stuff from 40 years ago that were never reported to the police. Gloria Allred can just keep parading broads out there, they get their 10 minutes of crying for the camaras and they are a hero to the Left until the next scandal.

Bottom line is that Moore is the candidate. He hasn't done anything illegal so he can't be arrested. The RINO's can't replace him on the ballot. If he wins, the Rinos can't keep him from doing his job. If he loses all of this scandal will disappear as fast as Herman Cains troubles did when he dropped out.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: roamer_1 on November 14, 2017, 04:00:02 am
Look at the way these gap-toothed hicks are reacting in Alabama.  The girl's daddy likely would have kicked HER ass.  Roy was a DA back then, you know, and he threatened Nelson with that.

I ain't in Alabama, But I'm one of those gap-toothed hicks, and you are stone-dead wrong on that count. It's a blood libel against a family name. Every man-jack of em would be against him life-long.

A woman wouldn't keep it from her family, nor would her mother cover it up. Her daddy would find out, and so would her brothers. And uncles and her cousins.  They'd all be fixin to draw blood, and the law be damned.

And if you think the law has that kind of pull back up in the holler, you have another think coming.

Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: sinkspur on November 14, 2017, 04:00:29 am
There's nothing you can do with this. Were dealing with stuff from 40 years ago that were never reported to the police. Gloria Allred can just keep parading broads out there, they get their 10 minutes of crying for the camaras and they are a hero to the Left until the next scandal.

Bottom line is that Moore is the candidate. He hasn't done anything illegal so he can't be arrested. The RINO's can't replace him on the ballot. If he wins, the Rinos can't keep him from doing his job. If he loses all of this scandal will disappear as fast as Herman Cains troubles did when he dropped out.

Actually, sexual assault is illegal.  But he can't be prosecuted because the statute of limitations has run its course. 

If Moore wins, he becomes the face of the Republican Party:  Grand Old Pederasts.  I'm sure you remember what effect the Mark Foley  scandal had on the Republican party in 2006:

They lost both Houses of Congress.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: sinkspur on November 14, 2017, 04:04:37 am
I ain't in Alabama, But I'm one of those gap-toothed hicks, and you are stone-dead wrong on that count. It's a blood libel against a family name. Every man-jack of em would be against him life-long.

A woman wouldn't keep it from her family, nor would her mother cover it up. Her daddy would find out, and so would her brothers. And uncles and her cousins.  They'd all be fixin to draw blood, and the law be damned.

And if you think the law has that kind of pull back up in the holler, you have another think coming.

Are you mocking Alabamans?

These five women kept it from their families.  But, you're predisposed to believe Roy Moore, so believe him.

He would never go under oath to defend himself, and he will not answer questions from the press on these accusations. His defense is flimsy and his support is crumbling outside of Alabama.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: roamer_1 on November 14, 2017, 04:04:37 am
@roamer_1

I  posted that before reading what you said, lol.

What defies belief more?  That he didn’t get beaten, or that ALL of these people are lying?

The Lord hates a waggin tongue.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Frank Cannon on November 14, 2017, 04:09:56 am
Actually, sexual assault is illegal.  But he can't be prosecuted because the statute of limitations has run its course. 


Well then, it isn't illegal is it Deacon?
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: sinkspur on November 14, 2017, 04:10:43 am
Well then, it isn't illegal is it Deacon?

It's illegal but can't be prosecuted.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: DB on November 14, 2017, 04:11:38 am
Moore says he "doesn't know of or where the restaurant is" where one of the incidents is claimed to have happened.

Now all that has to happened is witnesses coming forward that he frequented that restaurant and he's completely done.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: roamer_1 on November 14, 2017, 04:13:33 am
Are you mocking Alabamans?

These five women kept it from their families.  But, you're predisposed to believe Roy Moore, so believe him.

He would never go under oath to defend himself, and he will not answer questions from the press on these accusations. His defense is flimsy and his support is crumbling outside of Alabama.

I'm not the one who called them gap-toothed hicks. Who was that, again?

It is PRECISELY that the women kept it secret and away from their families that makes it wholly unbelievable. That a mother wouldn't tell her old man, and that the old man would take no action.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: DB on November 14, 2017, 04:19:37 am
I'm not the one who called them gap-toothed hicks. Who was that, again?

It is PRECISELY that the women kept it secret and away from their families that makes it wholly unbelievable. That a mother wouldn't tell her old man, and that the old man would take no action.

Can't agree with you here at all. There are lots of reasons to say nothing. My guess is the only reason it is coming out now is because of the avalanche of allegations from people who feel empowered after the Harvey Weinstein/Hollywood melt down.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: sinkspur on November 14, 2017, 04:23:34 am
I'm not the one who called them gap-toothed hicks. Who was that, again?

It is PRECISELY that the women kept it secret and away from their families that makes it wholly unbelievable. That a mother wouldn't tell her old man, and that the old man would take no action.

Have you read any of the accounts from the Weinstein and Spacey accusers? 

If grown men and women won't come forward to confront their predators because of fear they won't be believed, how do you expect children to bring these actions forward? 
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: roamer_1 on November 14, 2017, 04:27:01 am
Can't agree with you here at all. There are lots of reasons to say nothing. My guess is the only reason it is coming out now is because of the avalanche of allegations from people who feel empowered after the Harvey Weinstein/Hollywood melt down.

Nope. I will differ from you most certainly. There are many reasons city folks would keep such a thing quiet. No reason at all in the country. Her family is her defense, not the law.

Now, it can be claimed that the town was more urbane, and that all these women were citified - but that don't track with speaking to their mammas to ask em out.

And it could be taken that all these women were from dysfunctional families, but sure enough, he'd have run into one, and believe me, one is all it would take.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: DiogenesLamp on November 14, 2017, 04:32:22 am
Not sure this is a smear..Laura Ingrahm just mentioned this fact on her show


How did this assertion suddenly become a fact?   Someone said there was a name in that New Yorker article,   but I have yet to see it mentioned.   


Just who is saying these things?   
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: TomSea on November 14, 2017, 04:32:35 am
Cruz is a lawyer, it sounds like the statement I saw him write says there could be criminal prosecution. If one thinks he made a good move, then, Lee and Romney said this last Friday but never mind for the Cruz-worshipers, another thing he must have invented.

Quote
Cruz pulls support from Moore: Allegations merit ‘criminal prosecution’ if true
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/360205-cruz-pulls-support-from-roy-moore-allegations-merit-criminal-prosecution-if
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: roamer_1 on November 14, 2017, 04:32:44 am
Have you read any of the accounts from the Weinstein and Spacey accusers? 

If grown men and women won't come forward to confront their predators because of fear they won't be believed, how do you expect children to bring these actions forward?

Sure. City folks, and sin city.
You seem not to understand how deep and abiding familial ties are in the sticks.
A strong family is far more defensible than mere law.
And bruises are believed.
I bear witness to such events within my lifetime. More than once.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: TomSea on November 14, 2017, 04:34:03 am
Fox had a guest on last week who talked about timed "hit-pieces" with a hint of a smile on discussing this picture and that's exactly what this really is. Too bad, it wasn't found out before a Senate seat was on the line.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: sinkspur on November 14, 2017, 04:34:49 am
Nope. I will differ from you most certainly. There are many reasons city folks would keep such a thing quiet. No reason at all in the country. Her family is her defense, not the law.

Now, it can be claimed that the town was more urbane, and that all these women were citified - but that don't track with speaking to their mammas to ask em out.

And it could be taken that all these women were from dysfunctional families, but sure enough, he'd have run into one, and believe me, one is all it would take.

Every one of these five women were from homes with a single mother.  There were no men around.

That's the MO of a pederast:  target a child of a single mother, work the mother.  They go after the weak and those with no male presence in the household.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: DiogenesLamp on November 14, 2017, 04:36:17 am
@jmyrlefuller

Of course not.  But someone is lying here, and we have to decide who.  Moore?  Or all of his accusers, their friends, relatives, all of Moore’s former colleagues, the cops and the mall employees? 
That defies belief, doesn’t it?

I've only heard of one former colleague say he liked to date young girls.   (Not proof of sexual impropriety.)  I've only heard of two "accusers"  who claimed sexual impropriety.   Are there any names of these mall cops and mall employees that remember stuff from 40 years ago?   


And they are still working at the mall.  Really?   

Whatever happened to that "You have a right to face your accuser" thing?   
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: RetBobbyMI on November 14, 2017, 04:37:01 am
@jmyrlefuller

Of course not.  But someone is lying here, and we have to decide who.  Moore?  Or all of his accusers, their friends, relatives, all of Moore’s former colleagues, the cops and the mall employees? 
That defies belief, doesn’t it?
No one has to decide except voters of Alabama
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: DB on November 14, 2017, 04:37:15 am
Nope. I will differ from you most certainly. There are many reasons city folks would keep such a thing quiet. No reason at all in the country. Her family is her defense, not the law.

Now, it can be claimed that the town was more urbane, and that all these women were citified - but that don't track with speaking to their mammas to ask em out.

And it could be taken that all these women were from dysfunctional families, but sure enough, he'd have run into one, and believe me, one is all it would take.

I'm not a "city" guy. Most of my life has been in the hills. My high school class's graduation had about 18 students in it. I took the GED a year and a half before that and got out though I went to the graduation as a spectator.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: DiogenesLamp on November 14, 2017, 04:39:43 am
@mystery-ak

Moore is a man who would have benefited from a beat down from someone’s father or brother.


Because we all know that the worst claims about him, which for some reason waited forty years to be brought up now on the eve of a US Senatorial election,  are all true. 

This has nothing at all to do with control of power,   it's all about Democrat's great concern for the abuse of women.   
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: DiogenesLamp on November 14, 2017, 04:41:58 am
There isn't one person interviewed in that article that had first hand information on anything. It was all people who never saw Moore there who were working off of rumors from others that when contacted had nothing to say.


I wonder how many enemies a District Attorney prosecutor would make putting people in jail?   Obviously they wouldn't let that influence what they say about him.   They would have integrity,  you know. 
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: DiogenesLamp on November 14, 2017, 04:42:40 am
@roamer_1

I  posted that before reading what you said, lol.

What defies belief more?  That he didn’t get beaten, or that ALL of these people are lying?

All two of them.   
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: RetBobbyMI on November 14, 2017, 04:47:47 am
What defies belief is in 40 some years under political scrutiny, only now is anyone saying anything. I find that odd, to say say the least.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: sinkspur on November 14, 2017, 04:48:50 am
Gotta love Twitter:

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Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: sinkspur on November 14, 2017, 04:50:41 am
What defies belief is in 40 some years under political scrutiny, only now is anyone saying anything. I find that odd, to say say the least.

Local reporters are not in the same league with the national reporters that investigated this.  The WAPO reporters were actually there on another story and began to be told about women who had stories about Moore.  So they pursued them.

These women did not come forward.  They were sought out by the WAPO.  And they all agreed to go on the record.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: TomSea on November 14, 2017, 04:51:54 am
This is a real soap opera... one usually tries to avoid, just a gossippy story.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Chosen Daughter on November 14, 2017, 05:45:20 am
Actually, sexual assault is illegal.  But he can't be prosecuted because the statute of limitations has run its course. 

If Moore wins, he becomes the face of the Republican Party:  Grand Old Pederasts.  I'm sure you remember what effect the Mark Foley  scandal had on the Republican party in 2006:

They lost both Houses of Congress.

Exactly.  Why he must not win.  Another scandal would finish the GOP off.  Thank God for level headed people like Cruz and Cornyn.  Cruz is a father of two girls.  This makes a parent cringe.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: RetBobbyMI on November 14, 2017, 05:45:26 am
Local reporters are not in the same league with the national reporters that investigated this.  The WAPO reporters were actually there on another story and began to be told about women who had stories about Moore.  So they pursued them.

These women did not come forward.  They were sought out by the WAPO.  And they all agreed to go on the record.
I bet WAPO sought out Gloria Allred too to make even more sensational bs just like Clinton did with the Russians.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: jpsb on November 14, 2017, 09:30:29 am
I just don’t understand why everyone is in such a rush to judgement. They aren’t doing that with Hillary who has much more factual evidence against her. Makes me think Washington DC is the new Salem, Mass.

The GOPe is out to destroy Steve Bannon. You know the guy that helped elect Trump.
Moore is backed by Bannon so Moore must be destroyed too. Bannon wants to get rid
the Senate of GOPe Senators like Linda and Mitch. He's said he is going to recruit and
help elect senators friendly to Trump agenda. It's all out war between us deplorables
and the GOPe. Please note which side Cruz is taking (not ours).

Cruz has once again proved why he is unfit for any leadership role in the GOP.

Guilty until proven innocent huh lying Ted. BTW, How is Amanda doing Ted?

Guess Ted would prefer a baby killing, pro gay agenda, carbon taxing radical progressive
representing Alabama. Ted Cruz is NOT a profile in courage.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: jpsb on November 14, 2017, 09:44:51 am
I wanted to believe him to..I still do but I think we should cut our loses and get a new candidate in there so we don't lose that seat... I am hoping the Gov of Al postpones the election next month....

Didn't Moore win the right to stand for the US Senate by winning two elections? Who
are you to say Alabamans can't choose their Senate representatives? It is either Moore
or a radical left wing progressive. A guy that is in favor of partial birth abortions. Pro
homosexual agenda and a global warming freak too.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Neverdul on November 14, 2017, 10:57:31 am
Here’s the thing. Even if he, and by his own admission, was in his 30’s and “dating” high school age girls 16 and 17 years old (assuming the story of the then 14-year-old is false), even as with the age of consent at the time not making it “illegal” and even with the parent’s permission and doing nothing more than kissing them and reading bad poetry and strumming his guitar for them (and not “strumming” any other, um…. instrument), it’s still creepy as shit.

Yes, some teenage girls can be pretty “mature”, at least physically for their age, fewer still are emotionally or intellectually mature though.

And before anyone jumps in with the “well my grandmother got married to my grandpa when she was 15 and he was 25”, aside from that I would hope grandpa was not serial stalking other 15 year olds before settling down with “grandma”, these kind of matches were often just that, “matches”, back when and in areas of the country where “courting” still went on and typically between two people of the same socioeconomic class and typically of a similar background and education level and with the goal, often shared with the parents of both, toward marriage.

Ask yourself, what would a 32-year-old man with military experience, college educated and a law school graduate, working as an assistant DA find interesting in 16-year-old high school girls?  Be honest.

It would be one thing if he had met a charming, pretty and rather mature high schooler and they dated for a while, but making a pattern of it? That’s at the very least creepy.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: jpsb on November 14, 2017, 11:04:45 am
It is pretty obvious he was wife shopping and he liked younger women. He did not
date 16 year olds as best I can tell. He married a 24 yo woman but might have gone out
with someone in their late teens (17/18/19). Prince Charles dated teenagers too. He
even married one. Where was the outrage then?
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Silver Pines on November 14, 2017, 12:23:33 pm
No one has to decide except voters of Alabama

@RetBobbyMI

That’s true.  The rest of us reach our own opinions, based on the information coming out.

I posted a 2002 clipping from an Alabama paper which mentioned certain rumors about Moore, a reputation he had.  It said that people weren’t talking openly but he was not well-liked.

Now he’s running for higher office, and he’s under much greater scrutiny. 
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Silver Pines on November 14, 2017, 12:26:11 pm
It is pretty obvious he was wife shopping and he liked younger women. He did not
date 16 year olds as best I can tell. He married a 24 yo woman but might have gone out
with someone in their late teens (17/18/19). Prince Charles dated teenagers too. He
even married one. Where was the outrage then?

@jpsb

And if you had a 15 or 16 year old daughter who was being chased by a man in his thirties you’d be okay with it.

Right.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Silver Pines on November 14, 2017, 12:28:30 pm
I bet WAPO sought out Gloria Allred too to make even more sensational bs just like Clinton did with the Russians.

@RetBobbyMI

Allred was definitely a bad choice.  I can’t imagine why a woman would want that shyster for a lawyer.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: jpsb on November 14, 2017, 12:34:58 pm
@jpsb

And if you had a 15 or 16 year old daughter who was being chased by a man in his thirties you’d be okay with it.

Right.

Why to you always lie? I said 17/18/19 NOT 15 or 16.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Hoodat on November 14, 2017, 12:36:39 pm
The WAPO reporters were actually there on another story and began to be told about women who had stories about Moore.

What was the other story?
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: RetBobbyMI on November 14, 2017, 12:49:08 pm
@RetBobbyMI

That’s true.  The rest of us reach our own opinions, based on the information coming out.

I posted a 2002 clipping from an Alabama paper which mentioned certain rumors about Moore, a reputation he had.  It said that people weren’t talking openly but he was not well-liked.

Now he’s running for higher office, and he’s under much greater scrutiny.
Scrutiny by whom? Those outside his voting constituency like the Washington Compost? And, why now? Why not during the Primary? Or previous elections? Or while he was a Supreme Court justice? It just smells?
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Hoodat on November 14, 2017, 12:59:20 pm
Here’s the thing. Even if he, and by his own admission, was in his 30’s and “dating” high school age girls 16 and 17 years old (assuming the story of the then 14-year-old is false), even as with the age of consent at the time not making it “illegal” and even with the parent’s permission and doing nothing more than kissing them and reading bad poetry and strumming his guitar for them (and not “strumming” any other, um…. instrument), it’s still creepy as shit.

Yes, some teenage girls can be pretty “mature”, at least physically for their age, fewer still are emotionally or intellectually mature though.

And before anyone jumps in with the “well my grandmother got married to my grandpa when she was 15 and he was 25”, aside from that I would hope grandpa was not serial stalking other 15 year olds before settling down with “grandma”, these kind of matches were often just that, “matches”, back when and in areas of the country where “courting” still went on and typically between two people of the same socioeconomic class and typically of a similar background and education level and with the goal, often shared with the parents of both, toward marriage.

Ask yourself, what would a 32-year-old man with military experience, college educated and a law school graduate, working as an assistant DA find interesting in 16-year-old high school girls?  Be honest.

It would be one thing if he had met a charming, pretty and rather mature high schooler and they dated for a while, but making a pattern of it? That’s at the very least creepy.

I concur.

Also, we are talking about someone who underwent approximately 6 years of college.  After being around college women for six years, why would someone go back to high school girls?
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Chosen Daughter on November 14, 2017, 03:34:55 pm
Why to you always lie? I said 17/18/19 NOT 15 or 16.

17, 18, 19 is still teen.  And people even excused him for reversing a court decision on a 17 year old pedophile who preyed on toddlers in the 4, 5 range when the other judges didn't.

He is one mixed up creep.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: RetBobbyMI on November 14, 2017, 03:46:06 pm
17, 18, 19 is still teen.  And people even excused him for reversing a court decision on a 17 year old pedophile who preyed on toddlers in the 4, 5 range when the other judges didn't.

He is one mixed up creep.
So where’s the anger  9999hair out0000 at joe Biden who also fondles every female he gets close to?
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: TomSea on November 14, 2017, 03:54:27 pm
There is also a classic book called "To kill a mockingbird", we know how that ended.

After Romney, Mike Lee, Toomey, etc. said Moore should step aside, now days later, others follow the pack.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: ABX on November 14, 2017, 04:03:54 pm
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Free Vulcan on November 14, 2017, 04:45:39 pm
Cruz added that normal men don't sign high school girls' yearbooks.

According to Erick Erickson's Twitter, he was known as a lawyer who cruised malls for young girls, and was ultimately banned from one mall for badgering them.

Edited---cops went on the record as remembering this.

All it takes is proof, of which there is none. Nothing but a signed yearbook, which is Gloria Allred's ratty piece of paper.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Free Vulcan on November 14, 2017, 04:49:59 pm
It's not possible to Smear Roy Moore.

He believes transgenders have no rights, gays deserve death,  children should be taken away from their lesbian mothers, Muslims should not serve in Congress, and that Sharia Law is operative in Illinois and Indiana.  He has no respect for the Constitution or judicial authority and is a law unto himself, which is why he was booted off the Alabama Supreme Court TWICE.

Alabama Republicans like him because he's a finger in the eye to the rest of America.  Unfortunately for him, he's got to leave Alabama to be a US Senator and he is not going to be welcomed even by those in his own party.

So the real reason you hate him is because he doesn't agree with you politcally. This is just a convenient set of circumstances to accomplish your political agenda.

Funny how you LGBTQ supporters of all kinds of deviancy now protest because a 32 y/o guy might have dated an 18 y/o.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Silver Pines on November 14, 2017, 05:47:56 pm
All it takes is proof, of which there is none. Nothing but a signed yearbook, which is Gloria Allred's ratty piece of paper.

@Free Vulcan

No, it doesn’t take proof.  It would in court, but politicians are tried in the court of public opinion.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Silver Pines on November 14, 2017, 05:49:55 pm
The Lord hates a waggin tongue.

@roamer_1

He does, but that doesn’t answer the question.   :tongue2:
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: ABX on November 14, 2017, 05:55:14 pm
@Free Vulcan

No, it doesn’t take proof.  It would in court, but politicians are tried in the court of public opinion.

That's pretty much what an election is. Voters 'try' a candidate based on positions, if they believe them, and if they represent their values. It is a legitimate 'trial'.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: TomSea on November 14, 2017, 05:57:07 pm
Response of each and all Republican Senators:
http://time.com/5023205/roy-moore-senate-republican-party/

Roy Moore's son, arrested 9 times for various offenses (though I didn't see any felonies, still bad)
https://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/moores-son-arrested-for-ninth-time
Last time in October. I admit this article may not impact candidate Roy Moore directly but it seems like irresponsible type of behavior for a son to do.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: libertybele on November 14, 2017, 06:02:44 pm
That's pretty much what an election is. Voters 'try' a candidate based on positions, if they believe them, and if they represent their values. It is a legitimate 'trial'.

To a degree yes.  So now herein lies a huge problem;  ANY candidate running can be falsely accused now for anything and the opposite party can hire people to make accusations and without a trial they are judged guilty.  What we now have is a government run by a Kangaroo Court within a Banana Republic.   We might as well go back to the times of accusing people of being witches and burning them at the stake. 
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Free Vulcan on November 14, 2017, 06:04:54 pm
@Free Vulcan

No, it doesn’t take proof.  It would in court, but politicians are tried in the court of public opinion.

So you basically admit this is all rumor, accusation, and innuendo.

Well I have the same that says this is all crap. Yours is no better than mine.

So form your opinions and remember that both they and buttholes are alike in the fact that they all stink, and that no one is a moral scumbag because they won't adopt your opinions based on the articles of liberal scumbag reporters and scumbag feminist attorneys.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Bigun on November 14, 2017, 06:06:25 pm
It's not possible to Smear Roy Moore.

He believes transgenders have no rights, gays deserve death,  children should be taken away from their lesbian mothers, Muslims should not serve in Congress, and that Sharia Law is operative in Illinois and Indiana.  He has no respect for the Constitution or judicial authority and is a law unto himself, which is why he was booted off the Alabama Supreme Court TWICE.

Alabama Republicans like him because he's a finger in the eye to the rest of America.  Unfortunately for him, he's got to leave Alabama to be a US Senator and he is not going to be welcomed even by those in his own party.

I don't believe there IS any such thing as a transgenedered person and further don't believe it is possible to create one!  DNA doesn't lie!
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: roamer_1 on November 14, 2017, 06:08:53 pm


He does, but that doesn’t answer the question.   :tongue2:

@CatherineofAragon

Yes, in fact, it does.

PROVE IT, or it's bullshit.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: sinkspur on November 14, 2017, 06:12:10 pm
So the real reason you hate him is because he doesn't agree with you politcally. This is just a convenient set of circumstances to accomplish your political agenda.

Funny how you LGBTQ supporters of all kinds of deviancy now protest because a 32 y/o guy might have dated an 18 y/o.

14 year old.  He took a 14 year old girl to his house, twice, and stripped her down.

No, I don't agree with Moore politically, but he's also lawless. He thought he had the right to refuse to honor Obergfell in Alabama, but his cohorts in the Supreme Court forced him to resign or be impeached.  Again. 
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Free Vulcan on November 14, 2017, 06:13:36 pm
Local reporters are not in the same league with the national reporters that investigated this.  The WAPO reporters were actually there on another story and began to be told about women who had stories about Moore.  So they pursued them.

These women did not come forward.  They were sought out by the WAPO.  And they all agreed to go on the record.

The reporter in question is known to do hit jobs on the GOP, and is rumored to have offered cash.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: sinkspur on November 14, 2017, 06:14:00 pm
I don't believe there IS any such thing as a transgenedered person and further don't believe it is possible to create one!  DNA doesn't lie!
 
Even though there are transgendered people walking around.  Using the same bathrooms you're using. 


Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Free Vulcan on November 14, 2017, 06:14:42 pm
14 year old.  He took a 14 year old girl to his house, twice, and stripped her down.

No, I don't agree with Moore politically, but he's also lawless. He thought he had the right to refuse to honor Obergfell in Alabama, but his cohorts in the Supreme Court forced him to resign or be impeached.  Again.

No proof, just allegations from uncredible witnesses. Your rumors are no better than my rumors.

If you want to believe rumor, innuendo, and salacious accusastions put forth by sleazball liberal hit reporters and attorneys who are known and proven liars, all cooked up by Dem hactivists, then that's your lack of character. Just remember to disinfect for fleas when you get up.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: sinkspur on November 14, 2017, 06:15:23 pm
The reporter in question is known to do hit jobs on the GOP, and is rumored to have offered cash.

The Washington Post does not pay cash for stories.  Period.  No honorable media organization does.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Free Vulcan on November 14, 2017, 06:15:59 pm
 
Even though there are transgendered people walking around.  Using the same bathrooms you're using.

If you're into fairy tales and not science, that's your constitutional right.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: sinkspur on November 14, 2017, 06:16:40 pm
No proof, just allegations from uncredible witnesses. Your rumors are no better than my rumors.

If you want to believe rumor, innuendo, and salacious accusastions put forth by sleazball liberal hit reporters and attorneys who are known and proven liars, all cooked up by Dem hactivists, then that's your lack of character. Just remember to disinfect for fleas when you get up.

I believe the women.  You don't.  There are more women out there, in Alabama.  Roy Moore knows there are. He himself said "There will be more articles."
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Bigun on November 14, 2017, 06:17:30 pm
 
Even though there are transgendered people walking around.  Using the same bathrooms you're using.

NOPE! But there may be some very confused women out there who have had all manner of disfiguring surgeries performed on them doing that!
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: sinkspur on November 14, 2017, 06:18:20 pm
If you're into fairy tales and not science, that's your constitutional right.

The United States military believes transgenders exist and welcomes them into service.  Is the US military into fairy tales?
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: mystery-ak on November 14, 2017, 06:18:42 pm
The Washington Post does not pay cash for stories.  Period.  No honorable media organization does.

I will jump in here..I could not let this statement pass with commenting..REALLY..the Wash Post and honorable organization...please!
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Free Vulcan on November 14, 2017, 06:20:21 pm
The Washington Post does not pay cash for stories.  Period.  No honorable media organization does.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/11/alabama-woman-claims-wapo-reporter-offered-1000s-accuse-roy-moore-sexual-abuse/

This same reporter did a hit piece on Rick Perry.

The Washington Post is not an honorable media organization. They are a DNC propaganda organ.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: sinkspur on November 14, 2017, 06:20:56 pm
NOPE! But there may be some very confused women out there who have had all manner of disfiguring surgeries performed on them doing that!

The Virginia House of Delegates will welcome its first transgender member, Danica Roem, in January.  She beat the self-proclaimed "world's biggest homophobe."

Things are a-changin', Bigun.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Free Vulcan on November 14, 2017, 06:21:58 pm
The United States military believes transgenders exist and welcomes them into service.  Is the US military into fairy tales?

I know you don't believe that Iraq had WMD's.

But the miltary is not a scientific body, and they are subject to politics like anyone else, as we obviously saw under Obama.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: sinkspur on November 14, 2017, 06:22:39 pm
I will jump in here..I could not let this statement pass with commenting..REALLY..the Wash Post and honorable organization...please!

Contrary to Donald J. Trump, yes, the WAPO, the NYTimes are both honorable organizations.

Especially when compared to FOXNEWS, otherwise known as State TV.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: txradioguy on November 14, 2017, 06:23:06 pm
The Washington Post does not pay cash for stories.  Period.  No honorable media organization does.

Wanna bet?
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: sinkspur on November 14, 2017, 06:23:45 pm
I know you don't believe that Iraq had WMD's.

But the miltary is not a scientific body, and they are subject to politics like anyone else, as we obviously saw under Obama.

But you're saying they're so gullible, they'll buy the idea there are transgenders.  Transgenders who, by the testimony of the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, are serving honorably.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Bigun on November 14, 2017, 06:23:52 pm
The Virginia House of Delegates will welcome its first transgender member, Danica Roem, in January.  She beat the self-proclaimed "world's biggest homophobe."

Things are a-changin', Bigun.

NO they aren't!  Not in the world of reality anyway!
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: sinkspur on November 14, 2017, 06:24:17 pm
Wanna bet?

Yep.  Show me where they have.  I know the National Enquirer does.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: txradioguy on November 14, 2017, 06:25:11 pm
Contrary to Donald J. Trump, yes, the WAPO, the NYTimes are both honorable organizations.

Especially when compared to FOXNEWS, otherwise known as State TV.

Yeah right.  *****rollingeyes*****


The WaPo was LED to that story.  There's no way they could have on their own found four women who didn't know each other and "broke" this story if someone hadn't told them who to look for and where.

If they were really that good and honorab le...they have reported that one of the alleged victims ran a business with heavy ties to prominent Liberal Democrats.

But somehow this "honorable" news organization forgot to investigate that part and failed to report it.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: sinkspur on November 14, 2017, 06:25:34 pm
NO they aren't!  Not in the world of reality anyway!

The world of reality is that there are at least three gay members of the Texas Legislature, Bigun.  Texans are living in reality.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Free Vulcan on November 14, 2017, 06:25:49 pm
I believe the women.  You don't.  There are more women out there, in Alabama.  Roy Moore knows there are. He himself said "There will be more articles."

And that's about as close to the truth as all this is ever going to get. People with preconceived suppositions believing what they want to believe.

I believe in innocent till proven guilty. I believe the timing is suspicious and likely DNC backed. Until I see something other than sleazy media pillow talk, then I see no reaons for Moore to withdraw.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Bigun on November 14, 2017, 06:26:04 pm
I know you don't believe that Iraq had WMD's.

But the miltary is not a scientific body, and they are subject to politics like anyone else, as we obviously saw under Obama.

There were TONS of WMD in Iraq but that sneaky bastard Saddam had it all labeled insecticide instead of WMD!
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: sinkspur on November 14, 2017, 06:26:50 pm
Yeah right.  *****rollingeyes*****


The WaPo was LED to that story.  There's no way they could have on their own found four women who didn't know each other and "broke" this story if someone hadn't told them who to look for and where.

If they were really that good and honorab le...they have reported that one of the alleged victims ran a business with heavy ties to prominent Liberal Democrats.

But somehow this "honorable" news organization forgot to investigate that part and failed to report it.


Where's a link to that story from some place other than Gateway Pundit.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Bigun on November 14, 2017, 06:27:27 pm
The world of reality is that there are at least three gay members of the Texas Legislature, Bigun.  Texans are living in reality.

Gay is gay but the DNA still does not lie!
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: sinkspur on November 14, 2017, 06:28:28 pm
And that's about as close to the truth as all this is ever going to get. People with preconceived suppositions believing what they want to believe.

I believe in innocent till proven guilty. I believe the timing is suspicious and likely DNC backed. Until I see something other than sleazy media pillow talk, then I see no reaons for Moore to withdraw.

I hope he doesn't.  I want the GOP (my former party) to be saddled with this blatherskite for the next year.  He will be a pain in the ass to Mitch McConnell as well as Donald Trump.  And he's always good for an outrageous remark every week or two.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: DiogenesLamp on November 14, 2017, 06:31:22 pm
I've noticed that i've got sinkspur on "ignore."    I am actually surprised,   because I normally do not put anyone on ignore.   He/she must have said something pretty egregious for me to have done that,   and I don't remember doing it or what he/she may have said to prompt it.     


So I ask the rest of you,   should I take him/her off of "ignore",   or is it still pointless to pay attention to anything he/she says?   


Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Bigun on November 14, 2017, 06:33:38 pm
I've noticed that i've got sinkspur on "ignore."    I am actually surprised,   because I normally do not put anyone on ignore.   He/she must have said something pretty egregious for me to have done that,   and I don't remember doing it or what he/she may have said to prompt it.     


So I ask the rest of you,   should I take him/her off of "ignore",   or is it still pointless to pay attention to anything he/she says?

He's the resident liberal and has been on extended vacation until this little controversy broke out.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Free Vulcan on November 14, 2017, 06:34:17 pm
I hope he doesn't.  He will be a pain in the ass to Mitch McConnell...

On that we can agree.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: DiogenesLamp on November 14, 2017, 06:35:03 pm
Gay is gay but the DNA still does not lie!


From what I can tell,   "gay"  usually means "sexually molested as a child."   So far this standard holds up pretty well against real world data.   


My son was telling me awhile back about this friend of his who is a psychological mess.    He occasionally dresses up as a girl and claims he wants to become a girl.    I asked my son if that boy had ever been molested as a child,   and he said "How did you know?"   


This is just one among many examples that I have seen in the past relating to "gay"  or "transgender"  people.   
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: txradioguy on November 14, 2017, 06:37:54 pm

Where's a link to that story from some place other than Gateway Pundit.

I don't read Jim Hoff's propaganda outlet.  Nice try.  But you failed.

Besides the pictures of her with a bunch of Liberal Dems she has all over her Facebook page there's this:

One of Roy Moore's accusers worked as interpreter for Hillary Clinton campaign

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/_one_of_roy_moores_accusers_wo.html#incart_big-photo

And this:

(http://politicreports.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/biden-640x480.png)


Quote
On Facebook, Gibson shared a flier for a campaign rally for Moore's opponent, Doug Jones and an October visit on his behalf by Biden. On Oct. 15, Gibson shared a story about Moore and his comments that the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School occurred because Americans had "forgotten God's law."

"God is love, not divisive bigotry, racism, hate and intolerance of those different than us," she wrote under comments on the story.

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/_one_of_roy_moores_accusers_wo.html
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: sinkspur on November 14, 2017, 06:40:31 pm
He's the resident liberal and has been on extended vacation until this little controversy broke out.

Not a liberal.  But not a Republican anymore, thanks to Donald Trump.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Hoodat on November 14, 2017, 06:43:01 pm
The Virginia House of Delegates will welcome its first transgender member, Danica Roem, in January.

Why is that relevant with being a legislator?  I mean seriously, who cares?
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: sinkspur on November 14, 2017, 06:44:25 pm
I don't read Jim Hoff's propaganda outlet.  Nice try.  But you failed.

Besides the pictures of her with a bunch of Liberal Dems she has all over her Facebook page there's this:

One of Roy Moore's accusers worked as interpreter for Hillary Clinton campaign

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/_one_of_roy_moores_accusers_wo.html#incart_big-photo

And this:

(http://politicreports.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/biden-640x480.png)


http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/11/_one_of_roy_moores_accusers_wo.html

Gibson is a sign language interpreter and, as Sarah Rumpf lays out in detail here, she was working for the deaf community when translating for Hillary Clinton, not volunteering to aid the campaign.

https://www.redstate.com/sarah-rumpf/2017/11/11/tone-deaf-attempt-discrediting-one-roy-moores-accusers/
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: sinkspur on November 14, 2017, 06:45:03 pm
Why is that relevant with being a legislator?  I mean seriously, who cares?

Bigots care.  The rest of us don't.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Hoodat on November 14, 2017, 06:45:09 pm
Not a liberal.  But not a Republican anymore, thanks to Donald Trump.

Is Trump too liberal for your liking?  Which of his policies turned you off?
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Hoodat on November 14, 2017, 06:48:00 pm
Bigots care.  The rest of us don't.

Does that mean you are a bigot since you are the only one who cared to bring it up?  I mean shouldn't the content of their character be the focus here and not their sexuality?  Your focus seems to be on the latter.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Bigun on November 14, 2017, 06:50:44 pm
Not a liberal.  But not a Republican anymore, thanks to Donald Trump.

If you say so!  And I'm not a Republican anymore either! But is strongly suspect that our reasons for that are VERY different!
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: sinkspur on November 14, 2017, 06:51:30 pm
Is Trump too liberal for your liking?  Which of his policies turned you off?

HE turns me off. He's an ignorant, rude, bigoted, racist, pathological narcissist who has no idea what he's doing.  And he refuses to take any guidance.  He has whatever policies that will enable him to sign something.

His "America first" approach is nothing but veiled white supremacy.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: sinkspur on November 14, 2017, 06:54:21 pm
If you say so!  And I'm not a Republican anymore either! But is strongly suspect that our reasons for that are VERY different!

I suspect you're right.

Wrote Ted Cruz yesterday and told him if he votes for this guy to confirm (he's already voted for him on the Judiciary Committee), Beto O'Rourke is getting my vote for Senate next year:

Criticism mounts as federal judge nominee fails to disclose wife's White House ties

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/13/politics/brett-talley-criticism/index.html
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: aligncare on November 14, 2017, 06:54:48 pm
I will jump in here..I could not let this statement pass with commenting..REALLY..the Wash Post and honorable organization...please!

Jeff Bezos purchased WaPo in 2013 specifically for the purpose of pushing a left wing agenda, and conveniently for him, for attacking Donald Trump whom he hates, when Trump ran for president.

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-the-washington-post-changed-after-jeff-bezos-acquisition-2016-5 (http://www.businessinsider.com/how-the-washington-post-changed-after-jeff-bezos-acquisition-2016-5)
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: DiogenesLamp on November 14, 2017, 06:54:52 pm
Yeah right.  *****rollingeyes*****


The WaPo was LED to that story.  There's no way they could have on their own found four women who didn't know each other and "broke" this story if someone hadn't told them who to look for and where.


Yes,  I wonder who this person could have been. 



(http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/Screen-Shot-2017-11-10-at-4.58.35-PM.jpg)

(http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/unnamed-6-1-375x600.jpg)


Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: TomSea on November 14, 2017, 06:57:28 pm
HE turns me off. He's an ignorant, rude, bigoted, racist, pathological narcissist who has no idea what he's doing.  And he refuses to take any guidance.  He has whatever policies that will enable him to sign something.

His "America first" approach is nothing but veiled white supremacy.

Don't justify your hate of abandoning the most pro-life administration ever American with this garbage, yeah, and that's what I said, and it's as clear as the sun rising from the east though I know you will deny that. 

Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Hoodat on November 14, 2017, 06:57:46 pm
HE turns me off. He's an ignorant, rude, bigoted, racist, pathological narcissist who has no idea what he's doing.  And he refuses to take any guidance.  He has whatever policies that will enable him to sign something.

His "America first" approach is nothing but veiled white supremacy.

Interesting.  So you are unable to find a single policy you disagree with, but instead formulate an opinion based solely on emotion.  How odd.  Liberals do the exact same thing.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: mystery-ak on November 14, 2017, 06:58:04 pm
HE turns me off. He's an ignorant, rude, bigoted, racist, pathological narcissist who has no idea what he's doing.  And he refuses to take any guidance.  He has whatever policies that will enable him to sign something.

His "America first" approach is nothing but veiled white supremacy.

WOW.... :facepalm2:
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Free Vulcan on November 14, 2017, 07:01:27 pm
HE turns me off. He's an ignorant, rude, bigoted, racist, pathological narcissist who has no idea what he's doing.  And he refuses to take any guidance.  He has whatever policies that will enable him to sign something.

His "America first" approach is nothing but veiled white supremacy.

The reason you hate him is because of the DNC talking points?
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: sinkspur on November 14, 2017, 07:03:15 pm
Jeff Bezos purchased WaPo in 2013 specifically for the purpose of pushing a left wing agenda, and conveniently for attacking Donald Trump, whom he hates, when Trump ran for president.

http://www.businessinsider.com/how-the-washington-post-changed-after-jeff-bezos-acquisition-2016-5 (http://www.businessinsider.com/how-the-washington-post-changed-after-jeff-bezos-acquisition-2016-5)

Your article does not support your contention.  That's your opinion and nothing more.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: aligncare on November 14, 2017, 07:07:36 pm
Your article does not support your contention.  That's your opinion and nothing more.

I posted the link to support the fact that WaPo is a new age, left wing rag. The article was written before Trump won the presidency.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: sinkspur on November 14, 2017, 07:10:31 pm
Don't justify your hate of abandoning the most pro-life administration ever American with this garbage, yeah, and that's what I said, and it's as clear as the sun rising from the east though I know you will deny that.

It's pro-life to advocate killing the innocent families of terrorists.
It's pro-life to say there are "good people" in the white supremacist movement.
It's pro-life to break up families by deporting parents who've lived here for 30 years.

Yeah, he's pro-life all right.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: sinkspur on November 14, 2017, 07:13:22 pm
Interesting.  So you are unable to find a single policy you disagree with, but instead formulate an opinion based solely on emotion.  How odd.  Liberals do the exact same thing.

I disagree with his brain-dead approach to trade (Trump has no idea that the trade deficit is not like the budget deficit).
I disagree with his intent to repeal Obamacare (fix it).
I disagree with giving tax breaks to business and the wealthy while giving crumbs to the middle class.
I disagree with his harsh and brutal immigration policies.

That's for starters.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: sinkspur on November 14, 2017, 07:14:34 pm
The reason you hate him is because of the DNC talking points?

He's incompetent and unfit for the Presidency.  If that's not obvious to you, you're not paying attention.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: txradioguy on November 14, 2017, 07:17:41 pm
The reason you hate him is because of the DNC talking points?

That was my thought as well.  He's reading straight from Tom Perez's talking points.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Free Vulcan on November 14, 2017, 07:23:58 pm
He's incompetent and unfit for the Presidency.  If that's not obvious to you, you're not paying attention.

Yeah that stuff may have been fine for the nomination process, but he's President now. That's just broken record drama queening.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: mystery-ak on November 14, 2017, 07:24:16 pm
sink...TBR has made a lot of progress since you were here last...I see your hatred still overwhelms you and I don't want TBR infected with it.

I made a huge mistake letting you back in...my apologies to you and to the other members

Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: aligncare on November 14, 2017, 07:25:10 pm
I urge folks to look at that link I posted about the changes Jeff Bezos made at Washington Post. I kid you not, to attract more readers he’s actually focus testing headlines and stories. I guess the 5 W’s doesn’t matter much anymore.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: txradioguy on November 14, 2017, 07:26:41 pm
sink...TBR has made a lot of progress since you were here last...I see your hatred still overwhelms you and I don't want TBR infected with it.

I made a huge mistake letting you back in...my apologies to you and to the other members

Aww don't show him the door yet...Jazz needs a playmate.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: txradioguy on November 14, 2017, 07:27:13 pm
I urge folks to look at that link I posted about the changes Jeff Bezos made at Washington Post. I kid you not, to attract more readers he’s actually focus testing headlines and stories. I guess the 5 W’s doesn’t matter much anymore.

He's applying Amazon strategies to the newspaper business.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Hoodat on November 14, 2017, 07:32:33 pm
I disagree with his brain-dead approach to trade (Trump has no idea that the trade deficit is not like the budget deficit).

We are in agreement there.  I hold the Conservative view while Trump holds the Democrat view.


I disagree with his intent to repeal Obamacare (fix it).

His intent?  I don't give a damn about his intent.  I care only about what he does.  And getting the federal government the hell out of the health insurance market is the right thing to do.  If only Trump believed that.


I disagree with giving tax breaks to business and the wealthy while giving crumbs to the middle class.

I wasn't aware that there was a tax on wealth in this country.  When did that begin?

btw, Trump supports raising taxes on those hedge fund manager types.  Sounds like he and you are on the same page there.


I disagree with his harsh and brutal immigration policies.

Which policies are those?  Please be specific.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Bigun on November 14, 2017, 07:33:52 pm
sink...TBR has made a lot of progress since you were here last...I see your hatred still overwhelms you and I don't want TBR infected with it.

I made a huge mistake letting you back in...my apologies to you and to the other members

You needn't apologize to me Nancy!  But it's very obvious that nothing has changed with him.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: truth_seeker on November 14, 2017, 07:51:27 pm
WOW.... :facepalm2:

Your first clue might have been when right out of the box, he called Alabamans as "gap-toothed hicks."

Your next clue might have been the resumption of gattling gun posting, intended to essentailly wrest control of your forum.


Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: truth_seeker on November 14, 2017, 08:00:52 pm
sink...TBR has made a lot of progress since you were here last...I see your hatred still overwhelms you and I don't want TBR infected with it.

I made a huge mistake letting you back in...my apologies to you and to the other members

Hallelujah. (In AA there is a saying "when nothing changes, nothing changes." He's living proof of that saying.)
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: roamer_1 on November 14, 2017, 08:04:12 pm
14 year old.  He took a 14 year old girl to his house, twice, and stripped her down.


ALLEGEDLY. You forgot that word.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: roamer_1 on November 14, 2017, 08:06:07 pm
I will jump in here..I could not let this statement pass with commenting..REALLY..the Wash Post and honorable organization...please!

That's right.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: roamer_1 on November 14, 2017, 08:08:34 pm

Things are a-changin', Bigun.

Things never change. There is nothing new under the sun. Only mislead creatures bowing to sophistry, and running to their prophets with itching ears.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: aligncare on November 14, 2017, 08:17:57 pm
He's applying Amazon strategies to the newspaper business.


Yep, he’s selling a product, which is fine, news print is a product. But if he finds that his focus groups want more stories hating-on Trump and Republicans, that’s what we’ll get.

Problem though. The news gathering part is different, it’s enshrined in the first amendment as being an essential part of a nation of informed and free people. Slanted stories and omitted facts meant to shape opinion works against the spirit of the first amendment.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Neverdul on November 15, 2017, 12:46:33 am
It is pretty obvious he was wife shopping and he liked younger women. He did not
date 16 year olds as best I can tell. He married a 24 yo woman but might have gone out
with someone in their late teens (17/18/19). Prince Charles dated teenagers too. He
even married one. Where was the outrage then?

If in defense of Moore, you really have to stoop to invoking the machinations of the British Royal family to come up with a suitable, both “royal” and virginal, not to mention not horse faced, bride for Prince (Oh Camilla! I want to be your tampon.) Charles, I think you are not doing Moore any favors. 

And even as skeevy as ole Bonnie Prince Chuck was/is, I don’t think he was ever cruising malls and diners, hitting on teenage store clerks and waitresses. 

FWIW Dianna was 19 when 32-year-old Charles started “courting” her and she was 20 when they married, but then I would invite you to ask Dianna how well that all worked out for her.

Oh. That’s right, never mind, you can’t, she’s dead. 

And no, I do not think the Royal family had her murdered but I have little doubt that she would have probably lived a happier life and would like still be alive had she not been manipulated into believing the Prince was in love with her and that this was going to be like a fairy tale.  Dianna along with being painfully shy, was tragically naïve.  I also think Charles would have been saved a lot of heartache had he been allowed to marry Camilla, a woman of his same age.

“It is pretty obvious he was wife shopping and he liked younger women”.

So is wife shopping anything like car shopping? Does it involve looking under the hood, kicking the tires, questioning the odometer reading and taking her out for a test drive?

Or is it more like shopping for a brood mare – “she’s got straight teeth and wide birth’n hips”?

Seroiusly, with defenses like yours and the idiot who compared Moore and the 14-year-old to Mary and Joseph, who needs the Washington Post to impugn Moore.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: LMAO on November 15, 2017, 02:39:33 am
If in defense of Moore, you really have to stoop to invoking the machinations of the British Royal family to come up with a suitable, both “royal” and virginal, not to mention not horse faced, bride for Prince (Oh Camilla! I want to be your tampon.) Charles, I think you are not doing Moore any favors. 

And even as skeevy as ole Bonnie Prince Chuck was/is, I don’t think he was ever cruising malls and diners, hitting on teenage store clerks and waitresses. 

FWIW Dianna was 19 when 32-year-old Charles started “courting” her and she was 20 when they married, but then I would invite you to ask Dianna how well that all worked out for her.

Oh. That’s right, never mind, you can’t, she’s dead. 

And no, I do not think the Royal family had her murdered but I have little doubt that she would have probably lived a happier life and would like still be alive had she not been manipulated into believing the Prince was in love with her and that this was going to be like a fairy tale.  Dianna along with being painfully shy, was tragically naïve.  I also think Charles would have been saved a lot of heartache had he been allowed to marry Camilla, a woman of his same age.

“It is pretty obvious he was wife shopping and he liked younger women”.

So is wife shopping anything like car shopping? Does it involve looking under the hood, kicking the tires, questioning the odometer reading and taking her out for a test drive?

Or is it more like shopping for a brood mare – “she’s got straight teeth and wide birth’n hips”?

Seroiusly, with defenses like yours and the idiot who compared Moore and the 14-year-old to Mary and Joseph, who needs the Washington Post to impugn Moore.

 :beer:
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Chosen Daughter on November 15, 2017, 03:36:33 am
So where’s the anger  9999hair out0000 at joe Biden who also fondles every female he gets close to?

What?  It all angers me.    I am equal opportunity anger over fondling.  Especially young girls.  But it may anger me even worse that I believed Roy Moore was a Christian who fought to keep the Ten Commandments at the Courthouse.  Now we are learning who Roy is.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: txradioguy on November 15, 2017, 02:49:35 pm


Yep, he’s selling a product, which is fine, news print is a product. But if he finds that his focus groups want more stories hating-on Trump and Republicans, that’s what we’ll get.

If they were to fill the pages with any more anti-Trump anti-Republican stories they'd have go go bavk to printing a morning and evening edition.

Quote
Problem though. The news gathering part is different, it’s enshrined in the first amendment as being an essential part of a nation of informed and free people. Slanted stories and omitted facts meant to shape opinion works against the spirit of the first amendment.

And see here is where I'm more jaded about stuff like this.  The media has been doing this since our grandfathers had paper routes as kids.  I understand that's how they are going to operate from the get go and deal with them from there going forward.

I'm always surprised how many people just recently got keen to the reality that the major media outlets are heavily slanted in one direction and have been for probably 7+ decades.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Weird Tolkienish Figure on November 15, 2017, 02:50:36 pm
Cruz is beginning to resemble a spineless jelly fish to me. I supported him when it was him vs. Trump.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: txradioguy on November 15, 2017, 02:57:20 pm
Cruz is beginning to resemble a spineless jelly fish to me. I supported him when it was him vs. Trump.

It's either that or he's privy to details the media isn't about all of this *shrug*
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: roamer_1 on November 15, 2017, 03:01:41 pm
Cruz is beginning to resemble a spineless jelly fish to me. I supported him when it was him vs. Trump.

Always has, He goes along gets along till he gets an opening...
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: DiogenesLamp on November 15, 2017, 03:04:31 pm
It's either that or he's privy to details the media isn't about all of this *shrug*



So people from Washington DC somehow know more about this than people from Alabama that actually went out trying to verify these claims? 

Luther Strange's campaign tried and failed to confirm Roy Moore allegations (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/luther-stranges-campaign-tried-and-failed-to-confirm-roy-moore-allegations/article/2640730)



How would they get the inside dope when Luther Strange couldn't do it,  and he presumably has all sorts of supporters in these areas of Alabama?   


I have read that McConnell's people spent something like 30 million to get Strange elected,  and yet it didn't work.   If they had anything,  they would have put it out there then.   

Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: txradioguy on November 15, 2017, 03:09:02 pm



So people from Washington DC somehow know more about this than people from Alabama that actually went out trying to verify these claims? 

Luther Strange's campaign tried and failed to confirm Roy Moore allegations (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/luther-stranges-campaign-tried-and-failed-to-confirm-roy-moore-allegations/article/2640730)



How would they get the inside dope when Luther Strange couldn't do it,  and he presumably has all sorts of supporters in these areas of Alabama?   


I have read that McConnell's people spent something like 30 million to get Strange elected,  and yet it didn't work.   If they had anything,  they would have put it out there then.

It was just a theory.  Didn't say it was true or that I believed it.  I very much believe this is a dirty trick by McConnell and Strange.  It just goes to show how low McConnell and company will stoop to make sure "their guy" gets elected.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: jpsb on November 15, 2017, 03:10:15 pm
Contrary to Donald J. Trump, yes, the WAPO, the NYTimes are both honorable organizations.

Especially when compared to FOXNEWS, otherwise known as State TV.

You really are a progressive! I knew it, thanks for confirming that you are
a Marxist/Globalist/Progressive.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Silver Pines on November 15, 2017, 03:13:30 pm
Cruz is beginning to resemble a spineless jelly fish to me. I supported him when it was him vs. Trump.

@Weird Tolkienish Figure

I like Ted a lot, but if I’m not mistaken, this is the second time he has trailed behind Mike Lee on decisions of this kind.  It could be seen as weighing things carefully, or as calculation.

Either way, they’re all politicians.  I’m done putting any of them on pedestals.  I’d vote for Ted in a second, though.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: jpsb on November 15, 2017, 03:23:38 pm
It's pro-life to advocate killing the innocent families of terrorists.
It's pro-life to say there are "good people" in the white supremacist movement.
It's pro-life to break up families by deporting parents who've lived here for 30 years.

Yeah, he's pro-life all right.

Wow, you're radical progressive! You were never a conservative
you're the exact opposite.

War is hell and yes non-combatants are often targeted and killed.
IIRC Trump said both sides were at fault, which is exactly right.
What part of illegal alien do you not understand? Illegal is illegal.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: aligncare on November 15, 2017, 03:55:14 pm
If they were to fill the pages with any more anti-Trump anti-Republican stories they'd have go go bavk to printing a morning and evening edition.

And see here is where I'm more jaded about stuff like this.  The media has been doing this since our grandfathers had paper routes as kids.  I understand that's how they are going to operate from the get go and deal with them from there going forward.

I'm always surprised how many people just recently got keen to the reality that the major media outlets are heavily slanted in one direction and have been for probably 7+ decades.

I don’t think it’s ever been this pervasive in terms of sheer volume. It was much more subtle then and was sprinkled in among balanced and neutral reporting. Today major news outlets make no attempt at disguising it. The Media Research Center has data to back me up on this.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: txradioguy on November 15, 2017, 04:29:39 pm
I don’t think it’s ever been this pervasive in terms of sheer volume. It was much more subtle then and was sprinkled in among balanced and neutral reporting. Today major news outlets make no attempt at disguising it. The Media Research Center has data to back me up on this.

I'm just thinking back to the entirety of WWII when the NY Times hid the Holocaust in the back pages until we began liberating the concentration camps.

Or the same newspaper covering up Stalin's starvation murder of over a million of his countrymen in Siberia in the 30's.

It's not so much that they were better at disguising it back then...IMHO they were still just as blatant...the difference is the fact we have more and varied sources and people don't have a limited range of media to get their info from.  The web and other news sources have just exposed their blatant bias when it comes to reporting.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: libertybele on November 15, 2017, 05:42:06 pm
It's either that or he's privy to details the media isn't about all of this *shrug*

That was my first thought and hopefully that is the case as I've been a huge Cruz supporter for a very long time.  Unfortunately, my second thought was that he is up for re-election in 2018 and he now is fully aware of what McConnell and cronies can do to unseat him and perhaps they have once again told him he needs to play ball.  I would like to think that he still refuses to give up his integrity.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: TomSea on November 15, 2017, 05:49:13 pm
More green cards,

Criticizing the white supremacists in Charlottesville, well after the event, say 10 days later.

And this,

There is nothing wrong with doing whatever might be necessary to please his constituency and that's what I think Cruz is doing.

Roy Moore, a Democrat until 1992, when these alleged things happened.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Silver Pines on November 15, 2017, 05:56:20 pm
More green cards,

Criticizing the white supremacists in Charlottesville, well after the event, say 10 days later.

And this,

There is nothing wrong with doing whatever might be necessary to please his constituency and that's what I think Cruz is doing.

Roy Moore, a Democrat until 1992, when these alleged things happened.

@TomSea   

Don’t get me wrong—-like you, I believe Ted Cruz is a good man, and that he’s principled.  I was musing out loud about his decision to withdraw support from Moore.  I just don’t think Washington is the place to look for role models.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: TomSea on November 15, 2017, 06:03:14 pm
Again, Moore allegedly did these things when he was a Democrat, '78ish until 1985.

You've got someone who doesn't deny that possibly some of his dates were teenagers and then, you have eyewitness, multiple eyewitnesses apparently, testimony that Moore was banned from Malls because he was cruising for teens, underage or over age, that is how it comes out simply as teens.

But now, Cruz is suppose to take some principled stand, "innocent until proven guilty" and the like? That could be the correct stance but I doubt if Cruz coming out against the guy is a big risk to take. Romney and Lee may have taken a bit of a risk by doing this so early.

Cruz even added the extra, if it can be proven, Moore should possibly face criminal charges.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Silver Pines on November 15, 2017, 06:10:06 pm
Again, Moore allegedly did these things when he was a Democrat, '78ish until 1985.

You've got someone who doesn't deny that possibly some of his dates were teenagers and then, you have eyewitness, multiple eyewitnesses apparently, testimony that Moore was banned from Malls because he was cruising for teens, underage or over age, that is how it comes out simply as teens.

But now, Cruz is suppose to take some principled stand, "innocent until proven guilty" and the like? That could be the correct stance but I doubt if Cruz coming out against the guy is a big risk to take. Romney and Lee may have taken a bit of a risk by doing this so early.

Cruz even added the extra, if it can be proven, Moore should possibly face criminal charges.

Rush was the one who said it happened when Moore was a Dem, right?

So switching parties magically redeems past actions.   Good to know.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: txradioguy on November 15, 2017, 06:22:26 pm
Rush was the one who said it happened when Moore was a Dem, right?

This was one of those times that Rush should have just kept his mouth shut.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Silver Pines on November 15, 2017, 08:05:46 pm
This was one of those times that Rush should have just kept his mouth shut.

@txradioguy

Lol, I completely agree with you.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: TomSea on November 15, 2017, 08:24:58 pm
Quote
Rush Limbaugh: Roy Moore was a Democrat ‘when a lot of this was going on’
The Washington Times http://www.washingtontimes.com

Conservative talk radio host Rush Limbaugh argued during his program Tuesday that sexual misconduct is largely a liberal problem, noting that Alabama GOP Senate candidate Roy Moore was a Democrat when the allegations against him were supposed to have taken place.

“You know, there’s so much sexual harassment going on, so much of it surfacing now, and the vast majority of it is being done by Democrat guys — Harvey Weinstein, the Hollywood left,” Mr. Limbaugh said, according to a transcript. “Now, one of the reasons I think the [mainstream media] are so all over Roy Moore is ‘cause they finally got a Republican in this game they can report on. It has to have been tough. … Up until Judge Moore there haven’t been any Republican guys that have been in the crosshairs of all this sexual harassment and rape stuff, right?”

Earlier in the program Mr. Limbaugh pointed out that Mr. Moore used to be a Democrat. Indeed, the embattled Senate candidate switched to the Republican Party in the early 1990s before he was appointed to the circuit trial court bench in Etowah County in 1992.

Continued at: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/nov/15/rush-limbaugh-roy-moore-was-democrat-when-lot-was-/
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: txradioguy on November 15, 2017, 09:16:21 pm


And IF the allegations are true...this exonerates him how exactly?
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: RetBobbyMI on November 15, 2017, 11:47:45 pm
Lynch mob mentality...all of this hysteria, until hard evidence is presented. Give the man a friggin break. There was more corroborated evidence with either of the Clinton’s and nothing came of it and the Lynch mobs got nowhere. Give it a rest for God’s sake.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: libertybele on November 16, 2017, 12:54:08 am
What?  It all angers me.    I am equal opportunity anger over fondling.  Especially young girls.  But it may anger me even worse that I believed Roy Moore was a Christian who fought to keep the Ten Commandments at the Courthouse.  Now we are learning who Roy is.

You are making the assumption that all the accusations and allegations are true.  What if they are not?  Then we have given the very power that Moore might have had as a conservative going into the Senate back to the likes of McConnell and the DC swamp.
Title: Re: Cruz, Cornyn withdraw endorsements of Alabama U.S. Senate candidate Roy Moore
Post by: Silver Pines on November 16, 2017, 04:33:54 am
Lynch mob mentality...all of this hysteria, until hard evidence is presented. Give the man a friggin break. There was more corroborated evidence with either of the Clinton’s and nothing came of it and the Lynch mobs got nowhere. Give it a rest for God’s sake.

No. 

@RetBobbyMI