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Two Dead in ‘Driverless’ Tesla Crash
« on: April 19, 2021, 04:59:30 pm »
Two Dead in ‘Driverless’ Tesla Crash

Lucas Nolan 19 Apr 2021

Two men have reportedly died after a Tesla vehicle, which is believed to have been operating without anyone in the driver’s seat, collided with a tree on Saturday night north of Houston.

Reuters reports that two men died on Saturday night north of Houston after a Tesla vehicle which was believed to be operating without anyone in the driver’s seat crashed into a tree. Sgt. Cinthya Umanzor of the Harris County Constable Precinct 4 said: “There was no one in the driver’s seat.”

The 2019 Tesla Model S vehicle was traveling a high rate of speed when it failed to correctly navigate a curve and left the roadway, crashing into a tree and exploding into flames, according to local television station KHOU-TV.

The fire was extinguished and authorities located two occupants in the vehicle. One was in the first passenger seat while the other was in the back seat of the Tesla, the report stated citing Harris County Precinct 4 Constable Mark Herman.

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Re: Two Dead in ‘Driverless’ Tesla Crash
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2021, 05:11:00 pm »
Darwin award winners.
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Re: Two Dead in ‘Driverless’ Tesla Crash
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2021, 05:11:18 pm »
Two Dead in ‘Driverless’ Tesla Crash

Lucas Nolan 19 Apr 2021

Two men have reportedly died after a Tesla vehicle, which is believed to have been operating without anyone in the driver’s seat, collided with a tree on Saturday night north of Houston.

Reuters reports that two men died on Saturday night north of Houston after a Tesla vehicle which was believed to be operating without anyone in the driver’s seat crashed into a tree. Sgt. Cinthya Umanzor of the Harris County Constable Precinct 4 said: “There was no one in the driver’s seat.”

The 2019 Tesla Model S vehicle was traveling a high rate of speed when it failed to correctly navigate a curve and left the roadway, crashing into a tree and exploding into flames, according to local television station KHOU-TV.

The fire was extinguished and authorities located two occupants in the vehicle. One was in the first passenger seat while the other was in the back seat of the Tesla, the report stated citing Harris County Precinct 4 Constable Mark Herman.

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https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2021/04/19/two-dead-in-driverless-tesla-crash/

Looks like we have some Darwin Award winners here. You have to defeat the check the Tesla software does to drive w/o someone in the driver's seat. Normally, if you have "AutoPilot" engaged, it requires you to exert force on the steering wheel. If it detects you aren't doing that, it warns (beeps) and eventually will pull the car over and stop.

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Re: Two Dead in ‘Driverless’ Tesla Crash
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2021, 05:16:47 pm »


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Re: Two Dead in ‘Driverless’ Tesla Crash
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2021, 05:19:03 pm »


That should buff right out with a little elbow grease.
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Re: Two Dead in ‘Driverless’ Tesla Crash
« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2021, 05:19:17 pm »
And as an owner of a Tesla with the FSD / AutoPilot feature, I can tell you it scares the living shit out of me on a regular basis. I use it sometimes, but I'm always 100% watching it. I consider it an extra safety mechanism on top of my driving not a replacement for my driving. In case I get distracted for a second, it's still in control. You have to be one major moron to defeat the safety mechanism and let it have 100% control.

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Re: Two Dead in ‘Driverless’ Tesla Crash
« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2021, 05:22:21 pm »
Looks like we have some Darwin Award winners here. You have to defeat the check the Tesla software does to drive w/o someone in the driver's seat. Normally, if you have "AutoPilot" engaged, it requires you to exert force on the steering wheel. If it detects you aren't doing that, it warns (beeps) and eventually will pull the car over and stop.
Well, it 'pulled over and stopped' alright.
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Re: Two Dead in ‘Driverless’ Tesla Crash
« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2021, 05:23:06 pm »
Well, it 'pulled over and stopped' alright.

LOL, no, that's not how that works.

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Re: Two Dead in ‘Driverless’ Tesla Crash
« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2021, 05:24:11 pm »
LOL, no, that's not how that works.
Mebbe that isn't how it was intended to work, but it stopped...
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Re: Two Dead in ‘Driverless’ Tesla Crash
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2021, 05:25:17 pm »
LOL, no, that's not how that works.

Why does that Lynyrd Skynyrd song keep popping into my head after reading this story?
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« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2021, 05:48:35 pm »
If I understand it correctly, auto-pilot systems like that are based on recognizing and reacting to road and traffic conditions. If the car doesn't recognize the road conditions and the driver doesn't take over, disaster can happen - such as happened several years ago in a deadly crash in Mountain View. In the Houston crash the auto-pilot system probably did not recognize the sharpness of the curve (or that there was a curve). When lithium batteries catch fire it gets nasty.
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Re: Two Dead in ‘Driverless’ Tesla Crash
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2021, 06:21:11 pm »
If I understand it correctly, auto-pilot systems like that are based on recognizing and reacting to road and traffic conditions. If the car doesn't recognize the road conditions and the driver doesn't take over, disaster can happen - such as happened several years ago in a deadly crash in Mountain View. In the Houston crash the auto-pilot system probably did not recognize the sharpness of the curve (or that there was a curve). When lithium batteries catch fire it gets nasty.

The car itself (Tesla Model 3) has won awards for safety - consistently beating ICE vehicles. Just like a car with a ICE, if it catches fire, it's going to burn.

The AutoPilot feature uses front-facing radar and a number of cameras to keep the car centered in the lane and to avoid running into the car in front if it slows down. It can also recognize a number of objects like traffic cones and barrels, signage on the side of the road and painted on the road, traffic lights, etc. But the system is designed to be used always with a driver monitoring and ready to assume control at any point. It's just like cruise control in that you can't just turn it on and ignore the road.

As far as avoiding obstacles and keeping the car in the lane, it's really fantastic. It does like to take curves faster than I personally would take them, and that makes me nervous sometimes, but I am a very cautious driver. It's great for lane changes on the highway - I just hit my blinker, and I look too, but it's an extra level of safety having the car choose a safe time to do the lane change and then execute it. It's good also at watching traffic merging into the highway and avoiding a conflict. My biggest issue with it is that it infrequently does this "phantom braking" where it thinks there is some reason to slow down and so it does that, sometimes quite assertively, on the road. I've had to tap the accelerator when it did that out of concern that some following car might rear end me.

The Tesla fan-boys disagree with me on this, but I don't think it's anywhere even remotely close to a fully autonomous driving system. I don't see cars being able to do that until they have higher order cognition. They use simulated neural nets that work in a way modeled after the visual cortex in humans. Those are great at pattern recognition, but they have no higher level thought process. Even if that's only needed 0.0001% of the time, it's still needed, and not having it is likely going to make people not comfortable to use the system - even if it has an overall safety rating better than a human.


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Re: Two Dead in ‘Driverless’ Tesla Crash
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2021, 10:07:00 pm »
Well, drat. I was hoping that these cars would come in and save the day when I got too old to drive. You know, just get in and talk to it like a person talks to Alexa...Take me to the store. Take me to the doctor. Etc.

Since this doesn't appear to be the case I guess I'll just save the money it would cost to buy one of these beauties.

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« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2021, 10:11:17 pm »
Well, drat. I was hoping that these cars would come in and save the day when I got too old to drive. You know, just get in and talk to it like a person talks to Alexa...Take me to the store. Take me to the doctor. Etc.

Since this doesn't appear to be the case I guess I'll just save the money it would cost to buy one of these beauties.

As I said before, many people disagree with me, but I think this particular technology is 10 years out. That said, the technology to warn the driver about potential issues is here now, and it works great. And you don't need a $40,000+ Tesla to get that.

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Re: Two Dead in ‘Driverless’ Tesla Crash
« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2021, 10:13:54 pm »
Well, drat. I was hoping that these cars would come in and save the day when I got too old to drive. You know, just get in and talk to it like a person talks to Alexa...Take me to the store. Take me to the doctor. Etc.

Since this doesn't appear to be the case I guess I'll just save the money it would cost to buy one of these beauties.
Won't be too long and they'll be able to do that. It's just a little too early on in the technology phase. But just think of how far it's gone since its inception.
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Re: Two Dead in ‘Driverless’ Tesla Crash
« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2021, 10:15:52 pm »
Why does that Lynyrd Skynyrd song keep popping into my head after reading this story?

Can't you smell that smell?  The Smell of burning batteries around you.......
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« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2021, 11:41:53 pm »
Can't you smell that smell?  The Smell of burning batteries around you.......

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« Reply #18 on: April 20, 2021, 01:27:22 am »
Here's a safety feature I should patent before Tesla thinks of it:   

Car does not start if there is less than 65 pounds in the driver's seat.   That's the weight on my passenger seat that my forward sitting husky is always turning the passenger-side airbag with, and the seat-belt alarm.

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Re: Two Dead in ‘Driverless’ Tesla Crash
« Reply #19 on: April 20, 2021, 01:44:39 am »
I’m seeing Teslas all the time when I go out. My apartment complex just put in an electric charging station because of the demand,

I’ve never actually been inside one, but I’ve peered into neighbors and they don’t look like anything more special than any other car.

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Re: Two Dead in ‘Driverless’ Tesla Crash
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Two Dead in ‘Driverless’ Tesla Crash

Lucas Nolan 19 Apr 2021

Two men have reportedly died after a Tesla vehicle, which is believed to have been operating without anyone in the driver’s seat, collided with a tree on Saturday night north of Houston.

Reuters reports that two men died on Saturday night north of Houston after a Tesla vehicle which was believed to be operating without anyone in the driver’s seat crashed into a tree. Sgt. Cinthya Umanzor of the Harris County Constable Precinct 4 said: “There was no one in the driver’s seat.”

The 2019 Tesla Model S vehicle was traveling a high rate of speed when it failed to correctly navigate a curve and left the roadway, crashing into a tree and exploding into flames, according to local television station KHOU-TV.

The fire was extinguished and authorities located two occupants in the vehicle. One was in the first passenger seat while the other was in the back seat of the Tesla, the report stated citing Harris County Precinct 4 Constable Mark Herman.

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https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2021/04/19/two-dead-in-driverless-tesla-crash/


Not the first deaths.  A guy on a bicycle.  I don't trust these kind of cars.  GLITCH? 

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Re: Two Dead in ‘Driverless’ Tesla Crash
« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2021, 02:40:29 am »
I’m seeing Teslas all the time when I go out. My apartment complex just put in an electric charging station because of the demand,

I’ve never actually been inside one, but I’ve peered into neighbors and they don’t look like anything more special than any other car.

I’ll wait for my Jetsons flying car, thank you.

I've been waiting for those most of my life.

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Re: Two Dead in ‘Driverless’ Tesla Crash
« Reply #22 on: April 20, 2021, 04:26:10 pm »
Texas police investigating Elon Musk's claim over fatal Tesla crash

A Tesla vehicle went off the road and hit a tree in the Houston area on Saturday, causing the car to burst into flames and leaving two men dead.



Story at a glance

    Police in Harris County said the position of the bodies in the wreck appeared to indicate that no one was in the driver’s seat of the Model S at the time of the accident.
    Authorities are investigating whether the car’s advanced Autopilot driver assistance system was activated at the time.
    Tesla CEO Elon Musk on Monday tweeted that data logs showed the car wasn’t running on Autopilot and was not equipped with the automaker’s beta semi-automated driver assistance system dubbed Full Self-Driving.

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Re: Two Dead in ‘Driverless’ Tesla Crash
« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2021, 07:31:14 pm »
Texas police investigating Elon Musk's claim over fatal Tesla crash

A Tesla vehicle went off the road and hit a tree in the Houston area on Saturday, causing the car to burst into flames and leaving two men dead.



Story at a glance

    Police in Harris County said the position of the bodies in the wreck appeared to indicate that no one was in the driver’s seat of the Model S at the time of the accident.
    Authorities are investigating whether the car’s advanced Autopilot driver assistance system was activated at the time.
    Tesla CEO Elon Musk on Monday tweeted that data logs showed the car wasn’t running on Autopilot and was not equipped with the automaker’s beta semi-automated driver assistance system dubbed Full Self-Driving.

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https://thehill.com/changing-america/sustainability/energy/549199-texas-police-investigating-elon-musks-claim-over-fatal

My guess is the police are just wrong about where the bodies were at the time of the wreck.

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Re: Two Dead in ‘Driverless’ Tesla Crash
« Reply #24 on: April 20, 2021, 07:39:36 pm »
My guess is the police are just wrong about where the bodies were at the time of the wreck.

Could the driver climb in the back seat without engaging the Autopilot?  Only on cruise control?

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