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He is stuck on a twenty trillion dollar made up lie in his own mind. He lives in the land of Make Believe with his libby brethren. He stands for nothing.

Oh goody.  Hey @Cyber Liberty Look who hasn't learned their lesson about calling Briefers "Liberals".
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Are you nuts? I was delared hereon for Cruz -  And I might still vote for him yet... Though that is now a  slim chance.  And just the other day I expressed dead on support for Rand Paul... Cotton, and others. Something in that vein, though I would prefer  a governor.  As to whom  in particular, that I can't  say.... I pay it altogether no mind until the season comes around... I need little time in that, as I judge candidates almost solely on their record.

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You're looking for someone with solid Conservative principals and policies...others are looking for a bully.
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Oh goody.  Hey @Cyber Liberty Look who hasn't learned their lesson about calling Briefers "Liberals".

Technically, he didn't call a Briefer a "liberal," he just says all of his "brethren" are.   :shrug:  Trolls always try to find that line so they can dance on it.  Remind you of anybody?
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Technically, he didn't call a Briefer a "liberal," he just says all of his "brethren" are.   :shrug:  Trolls always try to find that line so they can dance on it.  Remind you of anybody?

Sure does.  A couple of somebodies.
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Sure does.  A couple of somebodies.

This one may have just earned his "Scarlet T."
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Corporate tax increases make American-homed businesses less globally competitive, and they encourage those corporations to move manufacturing overseas. Long term, this will bring very little extra money into the government coffers and perhaps even be a net negative. Who it benefits most is Communist China.

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@roamer_1  must be over the target.
He's taking a lot of flak.

He stands on a principle against big government, smaller in scope, size, and what it spends, and I had thought that all of us desired this.

Whether D or R behind their name, there has not been a President in recent memory who has done any thing about the national debt.
Some said they tried, some said they wanted to, but at the end of the day, it just hasn't happened.
The Republican presidents in my life time, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, GHWB, W, and Trump, all said they would, and none did.
Before you blame the democrats alone, I will kindly remind you that each President  ever elected has the right to veto any bill they disapprove of.

We've got to elect Senators, Congressmen, and Presidents who make this a priority, or it won't change.

Let's say for argument sake that the difference is that the Democrats run the thing up twice as fast.
It's like saying you'd rather drown in fifty feet of water, rather than one hundred.

Now, @roamer_1 is more principled than me, as I will vote the lesser of 2 evils more often than not, but he's not wrong in his assessment of the government being out of control, in my view.



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Corporate tax increases make American-homed businesses less globally competitive, and they encourage those corporations to move manufacturing overseas. Long term, this will bring very little extra money into the government coffers and perhaps even be a net negative. Who it benefits most is Communist China.

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@roamer_1  must be over the target.
He's taking a lot of flak.

He stands on a principle against big government, smaller in scope, size, and what it spends, and I had thought that all of us desired this.

Whether D or R behind their name, there has not been a President in recent memory who has done any thing about the national debt.
Some said they tried, some said they wanted to, but at the end of the day, it just hasn't happened.
The Republican presidents in my life time, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, GHWB, W, and Trump, all said they would, and none did.
Before you blame the democrats alone, I will kindly remind you that each President  ever elected has the right to veto any bill they disapprove of.

We've got to elect Senators, Congressmen, and Presidents who make this a priority, or it won't change.

Let's say for argument sake that the difference is that the Democrats run the thing up twice as fast.
It's like saying you'd rather drown in fifty feet of water, rather than one hundred.

Now, @roamer_1 is more principled than me, as I will vote the lesser of 2 evils more often than not, but he's not wrong in his assessment of the government being out of control, in my view.

Right, you are @GrouchoTex but the problem is the money behind GOPe approved candidates does not want what we want which is why you will never see me vote for the candidate with the most money in Republican primaries.  There is a reason why those people have all that money and it isn't any of our reasons.

I will always vote for the lesser evil in general elections but never in a primary.
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@roamer_1

You're looking for someone with solid Conservative principals and policies...others are looking for a bully.

Personally, I'm looking for someone with solid conservative principles and policies, whatever label he may wear, AND who can fight the powers from hell trying to stop him.  If that's a bully, so be it.

Tell me, is delicate sensitivity one of your principles?
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Are you nuts? I was delared hereon for Cruz -  And I might still vote for him yet... Though that is now a  slim chance.  And just the other day I expressed dead on support for Rand Paul... Cotton, and others. Something in that vein, though I would prefer  a governor.  As to whom  in particular, that I can't  say.... I pay it altogether no mind until the season comes around... I need little time in that, as I judge candidates almost solely on their record.

No, I'm not nuts @roamer_1  And thank you for your answer.  What "vein" is Cotton in?
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Corporate tax increases make American-homed businesses less globally competitive, and they encourage those corporations to move manufacturing overseas. Long term, this will bring very little extra money into the government coffers and perhaps even be a net negative. Who it benefits most is Communist China.

Our corporate income tax functions as a subtraction method VAT and makes EVERYTHING produced in this country less competitive in world markets by its very nature and that remains true even if, at the end of the day, no tax is due because all the costs of compliance find their way into prices as well.

IMHO it should be thrown onto the ash heap of history in its entirety ASAP.
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So where's everyone hiding their assets to avoid the Biden gubmint coming after them?
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So where's everyone hiding their assets to avoid the Biden gubmint coming after them?

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He stands on a principle against big government, smaller in scope, size, and what it spends, and I had thought that all of us desired this.

We all do @GrouchoTex  I'm not quite sure what the constant arguing is about fiscal responsibility.  There is nothing unique or sacred about @roamer_1 's fiscal "principles" --- or any of them.  We all share them. 

I think where the split starts is some of the most conservative "principled" confuse substance with style and policies with labels.  Another split I see is the "principled" are content to do nothing but wait for the embodiment of all principles to appear center stage while others will try to move the needle by feet instead of waiting for a quantum leap.   If the socialists have taught us anything, it should be to keep moving, even if by inches.

So, IMO, this endless debate on principle is really one of strategy.  I've said before (and caught hell for it) that politics is a blood sport.  It takes  guts, willpower, elbows, shoulders and at times, fists.  "Bullies" in politics are the movers and shakers; they are the heroes who affect change and get things done -- on both sides of the proverbial aisle.

Politics also needs a desire to win.  Taking one's marbles home when a candidate isn't a purist is the surest way to lose this country, forever, to the Marxists; and this is where and when all "principles" will die.
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@roamer_1  must be over the target.
He's taking a lot of flak.

He stands on a principle against big government, smaller in scope, size, and what it spends, and I had thought that all of us desired this.

Whether D or R behind their name, there has not been a President in recent memory who has done any thing about the national debt.
Some said they tried, some said they wanted to, but at the end of the day, it just hasn't happened.
The Republican presidents in my life time, Nixon, Ford, Reagan, GHWB, W, and Trump, all said they would, and none did.
Before you blame the democrats alone, I will kindly remind you that each President  ever elected has the right to veto any bill they disapprove of.

We've got to elect Senators, Congressmen, and Presidents who make this a priority, or it won't change.

Let's say for argument sake that the difference is that the Democrats run the thing up twice as fast.
It's like saying you'd rather drown in fifty feet of water, rather than one hundred.

Now, @roamer_1 is more principled than me, as I will vote the lesser of 2 evils more often than not, but he's not wrong in his assessment of the government being out of control, in my view.
It is most certainly not principled to refrain from your constitutional duty to vote, which is what is being done.

It is hiding your head in the sand.

We have Joe Biden as our President because of those like him, who cannot see any difference between a conservative with faults and a full blown communist destruction of America.

He gets the Courage Award alongside Mitt Romney.
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It is most certainly not principled to refrain from your constitutional duty to vote, which is what is being done.

It is hiding your head in the sand.

We have Joe Biden as our President because of those like him, who cannot see any difference between a conservative with faults and a full blown communist destruction of America.

He gets the Courage Award alongside Mitt Romney.

Where in the Constitution does it state it's our "duty" to vote?
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The Constitution is for limiting government, not making requirements of the citizens.

That's the way I read it as well.

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The Constitution is for limiting government, not making requirements of the citizens.

Good point, well taken @thackney

Rather than a "duty" to vote, can we change it to:  "If you don't vote, you can't bitch!"? 
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Where in the Constitution does it state it's our "duty" to vote?
There is no Constitution if no one votes.

It is malarky to consider otherwise.
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Technically, he didn't call a Briefer a "liberal," he just says all of his "brethren" are.   :shrug:  Trolls always try to find that line so they can dance on it.  Remind you of anybody?

Wait, what?  Are Briefers not permitted to point out the liberalism in someone's policy or other proposals?  @Cyber Liberty
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So where's everyone hiding their assets to avoid the Biden gubmint coming after them?

Venezuela's looking good @mountaineer    88devil
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We all do @GrouchoTex  I'm not quite sure what the constant arguing is about fiscal responsibility.  There is nothing unique or sacred about @roamer_1 's fiscal "principles" --- or any of them.  We all share them. 

I think where the split starts is some of the most conservative "principled" confuse substance with style and policies with labels.  Another split I see is the "principled" are content to do nothing but wait for the embodiment of all principles to appear center stage while others will try to move the needle by feet instead of waiting for a quantum leap.   If the socialists have taught us anything, it should be to keep moving, even if by inches.

So, IMO, this endless debate on principle is really one of strategy.  I've said before (and caught hell for it) that politics is a blood sport.  It takes  guts, willpower, elbows, shoulders and at times, fists.  "Bullies" in politics are the movers and shakers; they are the heroes who affect change and get things done -- on both sides of the proverbial aisle.

Politics also needs a desire to win.  Taking one's marbles home when a candidate isn't a purist is the surest way to lose this country, forever, to the Marxists; and this is where and when all "principles" will die.

Marxism would be terrible indeed.

Yet we are and have been in this quasi-socialism for quite some time, with will participants on "both sides of the proverbial aisle".
They do vote in ways that control production in this country, not quite ownership, but they do control the means of production far too often.

I'll give you one example where our side got what it wanted, for the military:

When the B1 bomber was being proposed, the manufacturers went before congress with a map, showing all the congressional districts.
They pointed out where a piece of that bomber, some small, some large, would be manufactured in each congressional district.
Was that the most cost-effective way to manufacture it?
No, all those pieces had to travel somewhere to be assembled.
Did ensure that they would get approval?
Of course, every congressman could then go home and say they brought jobs to the district, even though it wound up costing the taxpayers (us) more to build than it should have.

So, like you, I vote for the lesser of the two evils, and will continue, hoping to vote for the one that may make the incremental change, and while there have been exceptions, it has been pretty disappointing at times. It is hard for me to place the blame on the "principled" because they are getting tired of Lucy pulling out the football every time. It is their right to vote, or not, and they have to live with the consequences of not voting unless they are sold on a candidate, just like you or I have to when we get it wrong.
 

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   Why do you ping the Admin on crap you don't like @Right_in_Virginia
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