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It Takes Big Energy to Back Up Wind and Solar
« on: March 23, 2021, 01:18:04 am »
The Post & Email by David Wojick 3/22/2021

Power system design can be extremely complex but there is one simple number that is painfully obvious. At least it is painful to the advocates of wind and solar power, which may be why we never hear about it. It is a big, bad number.

To my knowledge this big number has no name, but it should. Let’s call it the “minimum backup requirement” for wind and solar, or MBR. The minimum backup requirement is how much generating capacity a system must have to reliably produce power when wind and solar don’t.

For most places the magnitude of MBR is very simple. It is all of the juice needed on the hottest or coldest low wind night. It is night so there is no solar. Sustained wind is less than eight miles per hour, so there is no wind power. It is very hot or cold so the need for power is very high.

In many places MBR will be close to the maximum power the system ever needs, because heat waves and cold spells are often low wind events. In heat waves it may be a bit hotter during the day but not that much. In cold spells it is often coldest at night.

Thus what is called “peak demand” is a good approximation for the maximum backup requirement. In other words, there has to be enough reliable generating capacity to provide all of the maximum power the system will ever need. For any public power system that is a very big number, as big as it gets in fact.

More: https://www.thepostemail.com/2021/03/22/it-takes-big-energy-to-back-up-wind-and-solar/

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Re: It Takes Big Energy to Back Up Wind and Solar
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2021, 01:47:33 am »
Because wind and solar have such a poor reliability over the duration of a yearlong cycle, they will always require backup generation if one expects to use them for base load generation.  The only exception is if substantial power storage is available, which is likely cost prohibitive for base load usage.

One is left with using wind and solar as novelty power generation.  Not something one should be subsidizing with taxpayer money, eh?
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