Never Trumpers Illustrate Why Loyalty Is An Important Political Virtue

[goatprairie]

How is not voting because there IS no conservative candidate surrendering?  Surrendering is giving into voting for the lesser of two evils.

I could NOT vote for McCain and obviously not for B.O. so I voted third party, which resulted in 8 years of B.O.  I voted for who I felt was the best candidate to move this country in a positive direction.  I've always voted that way.

However, from this point forward I will ONLY vote for a conservative.  Not just for someone who may be a tad more conservative then the liberal choice, because the results will be the same as they're all from the same country club.

We either somehow build from the local/state level on up or completely wipe out the existing regime.  Building from the top down will not work.

If you are waiting for the perfect, conservative candidate, I hope you're not holding your breath.
Many things in life come down to making the least worse choice than the best choice. I did that when i voted for Trump. It still led to disaster, but you takes your chances.

[goatprairie]

I think Reagan was a fine populist president.  He laid the groundwork for Donald Trump. 

I don't know if this makes me a "Reaganite", but it sure makes me grateful.

Please don't mention Trump in the same sentence as Reagan.

[sneakypete]

How is not voting because there IS no conservative candidate surrendering?  Surrendering is giving into voting for the lesser of two evils.

@libertybele

Ok,riddle me this one,batwoman,who was the last truly conservative president or presidential candidate in your lifetime?

Guess what,Bubbette? If you wait for "Mr or Ms Perfect",you ain't never going to vote for anybody.

We either somehow build from the local/state level on up or completely wipe out the existing regime.  Building from the top down will not work.

Utter nonsense. How many centuries do you think it will take to get conservative politicians elected to office in places like Ca,Mn,NY,Mass,etc,etc,etc.

IF you ever do,they will never advance further than the local level because the Power Parties will never even allow them a spot on a ticket.

What we MUST do is elect from the top down to inspire people to vote for conservative candidates at the local and state levels.

What most have traditionally done is not vote at all. HOW does that help us?

[sneakypete]

I was really surprised that she accepted to be his VP.  I lost all interest in her at that point.

@libertybele

Not me. I kept hoping McLunatic would die on the campaign trail,and she would fill the top spot. It is MY opinion had that happened,she would have ran. Instead,she maintained the image of supporting him while giving speeches suggesting things he was against.

EVERY TIME she made a solo campaign appearance and speech,McLunatic was on the teebee the next day bad mouthing her while watching his favorable numbers rise. He was clearly being paid to lose. A role he was naturally born to play.

[Sled Dog]

Please don't mention Trump in the same sentence as Reagan.

You mean like:

Trump was a much better patriot than Ronald Reagan?

How about:

Trump had to deal with the mess Reagan made by signing that illegal alien amnesty crap the Rodents shoved at him in the 80's, and dealt with it as well as he could without any help from the GOP officials.

Then there's:

Trump must have been more conservative because he was impeached more often than Reagan was, they hated him so.

[skeeter]

You mean like:

Trump was a much better patriot than Ronald Reagan?

How about:

Trump had to deal with the mess Ronald Reagan made by signing that illegal alien amnesty crap the Rodents shoved at him in the 80's, and dealt with it as well as he could without any help from the GOP officials.

Then there's:

Trump must have been more conservative because he was impeached more often than Reagan was, they hated him so.

The Simpson Mazzoli amnesty marked the end of the GOP in California. But I do not blame Ronald Reagan for signing it because he was promised border enforcement measures the rats promptly reneged on, any more than I blame Donald Trump because the rats voided his EOs, which he was forced to resort to because the GOPe in congress refused to do their damned jobs.

[Sled Dog]

The Simpson Mazzoli amnesty marked the end of the GOP in California. But I do not blame Ronald Reagan for signing it because he was promised border enforcement measures the rats promptly reneged on, any more than I blame Donald Trump because the rats voided his EOs, which he was forced to resort to because the GOPe in congress refused to do their damned jobs.

Reagan had a bad habit of being "compassionate" and allowing political decisions to be swayed by his "feelz".   

The Amnesty Scam wasn't the only thing the Rodents tricked him on.   That's why the national debt soared, too. 

And GHW RINO Bush willingly worked to undo everything Reagan accomplished.   

The Rodents simply refused to write any legislation at all, so they had less chance of duping him.   They were too busy screwing the whole country.

(That last sentence didn't mention "Under Trump, the Rodents....)

[skeeter]

Reagan had a bad habit of being "compassionate" and allowing political decisions to be swayed by his "feelz".   

The Amnesty Scam wasn't the only thing the Rodents tricked him on.   That's why the national debt soared, too. 

And GHW RINO Bush willingly worked to undo everything Reagan accomplished.   

The Rodents simply refused to write any legislation at all, so they had less chance of duping him.   They were too busy screwing the whole country.

Reagan was tired in his second term. And IMO did not understand he was dealing with a completely new kind of Democrat - one unencumbered by any notion of honesty, patriotism or honor. The forerunner of the variety of rat commonly infesting all levels of government today.

Kinda of how the utter fecklessness and basic dishonesty of today’s GOPe took Trump by surprise.

[sneakypete]

Reagan had a bad habit of being "compassionate" and allowing political decisions to be swayed by his "feelz".   

The Amnesty Scam wasn't the only thing the Rodents tricked him on.   That's why the national debt soared, too. 

@Sled Dog

People have to remember that you can't just someone by the things they did in "real life" 40 or more years ago. You to judge their actions by the reality they lived in then,NOT the reality of today.

Reagan grew up in a world were it was the Democrats that were conservatives,and when they switched over to being internationalists,Reagan switched over to being a Republican.

He also grew up in an era where most people who gave their words on something in public,tended to try to keep their words. Lying wasn't easily shrugged off in the world he grew up in. By the time he became President,the world had swapped ends,and lying and breaking promises were just peachy-keen.

His "fault" was that he was from a younger generation and fairly new to national politics,so he was guillible. He trusted people,and when they gave him their word on something,he believed them.

And GHW RINO Bush willingly worked to undo everything Reagan accomplished.   

Of course they did. Internationalists and homosexuals. Babs was the only man in that family,and she ran it with vigor.

 

[Sled Dog]

Reagan was tired in his second term. And IMO did not understand he was dealing with a completely new kind of Democrat - one unencumbered by any notion of honesty, patriotism or honor. The forerunner of the variety of rat commonly infesting all levels of government today.

Kinda of how the utter fecklessness and basic dishonesty of today’s GOPe took Trump by surprise.

Really?   The Rodents hadn't changed from what they were during Nixon's first run against Kennedy.   They certainly were no different in the 80's than the trash they were when they destroyed Nixon over a minor burglary.   The Rodents have been dishonest hate-filled traitors since the NY Slimes covered up the Ukrainian genocide and got their reporter a Pulitzer prize for the praise of Stalin.

Reagan's flaw was that he was too nice to America's most deadly enemies, the press and the Democrats.   

[Sled Dog]

@Sled Dog

People have to remember that you can't just someone by the things they did in "real life" 40 or more years ago. You to judge their actions by the reality they lived in then,NOT the reality of today.

Reagan grew up in a world were it was the Democrats that were conservatives,and when they switched over to being internationalists,Reagan switched over to being a Republican.

He also grew up in an era where most people who gave their words on something in public,tended to try to keep their words. Lying wasn't easily shrugged off in the world he grew up in. By the time he became President,the world had swapped ends,and lying and breaking promises were just peachy-keen.

His "fault" was that he was from a younger generation and fairly new to national politics,so he was guillible. He trusted people,and when they gave him their word on something,he believed them.

Of course they did. Internationalists and homosexuals. Babs was the only man in that family,and she ran it with vigor.

The Rodents were never "conservative" in the modern usage of the word.

When Reagan was playing second-rate movies, FDR was busy shredding the Constitution and having commies on his staff.   Reagan may not have known about the commies, but the shredding was obviously unconstitutional.  FDR first floated the idea of packing the Court to "make" his socialism constitutional.  Reagan couldn't have missed that.

The Rodent party became openly "globalist", to use a modern term, under that racist Woodrow Wilson, when Reagan was a child. 

What didn't exist when Reagan was growing up was William Buckley and the modern conservative movement.

People calling the Rodents of the 1930's conservative is like people today calling Putin conservative.

Reagan was the governor of freaking CALIFORNIA before running for president.  He was shafted by the RINOs in 1976, and they tried to screw him, and us, over again in 1980.   To claim he was some innocent lad, Mr. Smith visits Washington, when he was elected was ridiculous.  If he didn't know, he should have.

Reagan was a good president.   One of the very best, right behind Lincoln and Washington.   Maybe behind Trump.   Hard to tell since Trump's second term has been a real disaster for the United States, through no fault of his own.