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Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
« Reply #100 on: April 06, 2021, 10:42:29 pm »
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Officer MacKenzie -- on cross -- said that sometimes EMS "load and go" is done because bystanders sometimes attack paramedics.  Not what prosecution would have liked her to say. They tried to object for relevance but were overruled.


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« Reply #101 on: April 06, 2021, 10:45:29 pm »
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Chauvin's lawyer just showed this picture to the jury

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« Reply #102 on: April 06, 2021, 11:05:46 pm »
3rd degree murder: "The unintentional killing of another through an eminently dangerous act committed with a depraved mind and without regard for human life."


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BREAKING: Lawyer for George Floyd’s dealer states he does not want to testify bc it could incriminate himself for George Floyd’s murder

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Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
« Reply #103 on: April 06, 2021, 11:11:59 pm »
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If there's any real interest in saving the country from the riots to come, the only mindfuck big enough to get it done is to charge Floyd's dealer with murder, assuming the dealer knew he was selling fentanyl.

Also charge China's leadership, to reinforce the point.

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George Floyd's alleged drug dealer invoking the fifth in anticipation of possible murder prosecution for giving him the drugs that killed him.

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Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
« Reply #104 on: April 06, 2021, 11:38:40 pm »
This would have never gone to trial if Keith Ellison wasn't the AG of Minn
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« Reply #105 on: April 06, 2021, 11:46:39 pm »
This would have never gone to trial if Keith Ellison wasn't the AG of Minn

And Ellison wouldn't be there if not for George Soros's generosity.

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Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
« Reply #106 on: April 07, 2021, 01:00:22 am »
LIVE: Chauvin Trial Day 7 – Where is Cause of Death Beyond a Reasonable Doubt?

Arguing Floyd Died of Asphyxiation Just Means Fentanyl Killed Him


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Today marks a week and a half since the state has begun presenting their case in chief, and they have yet to nail down a key issue in this case—what, exactly, caused Floyd’s death?

We know they don’t believe that Chauvin intentionally killed Floyd, because Chauvin is not charged with an intentional killing—all the various charges against him, including the odd use of the term “murder” preferred by Minnesota, are unintentional killing crimes, at worst (e.g., felony murder, reckless homicide).

They sometimes suggest in passing Floyd was killed asphyxia, lack of oxygen to his tissues, perhaps induced by Chauvin’s knee on Floyd’s neck, or pressure placed on Floyd’s body, or by positional asphyxia or purported failure to place Floyd in the so-called “recovery position.”

The problem with this approach is two-fold. First, it’s impossible to determine with any degree of certainty, much less beyond a reasonable doubt, that any of the physical actions of the officers, including Chauvin’s knee in the absence of any sign of leg trauma, actually caused any degree of asphyxia.  One can speculate that cause and effect, but speculation does not get one to proof beyond a reasonable doubt—at least not in the context of an evidence-based alternative explanation for asphyxia.

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Re: Derek Chauvin Trial
« Reply #107 on: April 07, 2021, 01:17:24 am »
LIVE: Chauvin Trial Day 7 – Where is Cause of Death Beyond a Reasonable Doubt?

Arguing Floyd Died of Asphyxiation Just Means Fentanyl Killed Him


https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/04/live-chauvin-trial-day-7-where-is-cause-of-death-beyond-a-reasonable-doubt/

I haven't watched most of the trial, and the MSM has already declared Chauvin guilty.   I still see that Chauvin kneeling on a hand-cuffed Floyd as using excessive force. The question though remains, did that act cause his death? Floyd on fentanyl with heart issues in my mind certainly raises some doubt.

Did he use excessive force? I say yes.  Did that excessive force kill Floyd?  Certainly questionable and may have contributed to his death.

In ordinary circumstances, I'd say that it will be difficult to prove without any doubt that Chauvin killed Floyd.  These aren't ordinary circumstances and Chauvin will be found guilty. This trial makes the OJ trial looks tame in comparison.  All hell will break lose unless he's convicted.

 
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« Reply #108 on: April 07, 2021, 01:20:48 am »
Floyd on fentanyl with heart issues in my mind certainly raises some doubt.


As it will with a jury.

Hence, no conviction
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« Reply #109 on: April 07, 2021, 01:20:53 am »
All hell will break lose unless he's convicted.

Pretty sure all hell is going to break loose no matter what verdict is returned.
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« Reply #110 on: April 07, 2021, 01:22:08 am »
Pretty sure all hell is going to break loose no matter what verdict is returned.

You are right ... sooner or later
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« Reply #111 on: April 07, 2021, 01:26:36 am »
Pretty sure all hell is going to break loose no matter what verdict is returned.

The state is losing this case.  They know it so they are going the emotional route.  Watch for more threats of riots as the case further falls apart
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« Reply #112 on: April 07, 2021, 02:00:38 am »
As it will with a jury.

Hence, no conviction

Negligible homicide??
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« Reply #113 on: April 07, 2021, 02:01:04 am »
The mob wants blood!
They claim they will break things if they don't get it.

Let them break things and see their own.
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« Reply #114 on: April 07, 2021, 02:21:35 am »
The mob wants blood!
They claim they will break things if they don't get it.

Let them break things and see their own.

He has 3 charges against him with maximums of 40,  25, and 10.  I say he'll be lucky to get away with 10. On that charge they only have to prove that his actions could have contributed to his death. 
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« Reply #115 on: April 07, 2021, 02:34:40 am »
Negligible homicide??

The state has to prove Chauvin's actions caused the death and so far, they haven't come close

Juries aren't chomping at the bit to put cops in prison. Don't confuse juries with the mob and media
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« Reply #116 on: April 07, 2021, 12:43:38 pm »
I can imagine what’s going through the mind of a juror  on this case

 You’re starting to figure out everything you were told last summer was a lie. You know that the state has not presented their case. You also know that riots are going to happen after you vote for an acquittal

 If the past is any indication, jurors would rather risk riots than unjustifiably imprison a cop
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« Reply #117 on: April 07, 2021, 01:15:44 pm »
I can imagine what’s going through the mind of a juror  on this case

 You’re starting to figure out everything you were told last summer was a lie. You know that the state has not presented their case. You also know that riots are going to happen after you vote for an acquittal

 If the past is any indication, jurors would rather risk riots than unjustifiably imprison a cop
You are joking right?  All the jurors are thinking is I can't hardly wait to get out of here with this guilty verdict.  Of course he'll be convicted, it's a done deal even before the trial.  When you are a juror and you're thinking...hmmm....they'll likely kill me and my family if I don't convict the guy.....well....that kind of seals the deal.

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« Reply #118 on: April 07, 2021, 01:30:14 pm »
In our conflicted world or race and ideology......

One thug with a rap sheet a mile long succumbs to an Fentanyl OD while being arrested, and becomes a national martyred hero

An unarmed veteran gets killed at the Capitol in cold blood, and 91 days later, we still don't even know who that cop was.

Really sick of these double standards
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« Reply #119 on: April 07, 2021, 01:42:08 pm »
In our conflicted world or race and idelology......

One thug with a rap sheet a mile long succumbs to an Fentanyl OD while being arrested, and becomes a national martyred hero

A unarmed veteran gets killed at the Capitol in cold blood, and 91 days later, we still don't even know who that cop was.

Really sick of these double standards

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« Reply #120 on: April 07, 2021, 01:52:44 pm »
In our conflicted world or race and idelology......

One thug with a rap sheet a mile long succumbs to an Fentanyl OD while being arrested, and becomes a national martyred hero

A unarmed veteran gets killed at the Capitol in cold blood, and 91 days later, we still don't even know who that cop was.

Really sick of these double standards
The thug was used as the excuse to cause countless millions of dollars in damages, not just in Minneapolis, but elsewhere as well.
Yet the FBI is expending tremendous energy hunting down and charging people who didn't even enter the Capitol with "insurrection".
Being called a "racist" because of the color of my skin is getting a mite tired, too.

But if it were not for double standards, the Left would have no standards at all.
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« Reply #121 on: April 07, 2021, 03:11:23 pm »
You are joking right?  All the jurors are thinking is I can't hardly wait to get out of here with this guilty verdict.  Of course he'll be convicted, it's a done deal even before the trial.  When you are a juror and you're thinking...hmmm....they'll likely kill me and my family if I don't convict the guy.....well....that kind of seals the deal.

 Not joking at all

I’ve been watching this trial very closely and the state has yet to make a case that Chauvins actions remotely caused George Floyd’s death

 Conservatives love victimhood. Everything you’ve listed I’ve heard over and over again that juries will convict because they’re afraid of the mob and yet they consistently do not.

The jurors on this case are very well aware that if they return a not guilty verdict riots will happen. But if history is any guide, they will risk it. I don’t see any evidence that the jurors are  dying to convict us cop

One of the most wonderful things about our system is the verdict  must be unanimous.  But more importantly, the defendant is always assumed to be innocent. It’s up to the state to prove to a jury that the defendant is guilty. Not the other way around

Whether it was the Michael Brown case, The Breonna Taylor case, the George Zimmerman case, the Freddie Gray case, Each time people on conservative websites said that your earth will convict because they’re afraid of the mob and they do not. And mob’s  did threaten

 There’s also that natural psychology and reluctance of juries to want to convict a cop unless what the cop did was particularly egregious.

This is looking more like the George Zimmerman case than the Michael Brown case. The jurors could say that the cop may have made some errors but that nothing he did rose to the crime of murder

 This is not the first time mobs have made threats of violence if they don’t get a conviction only to find out that nothing supports any kind of conviction.

 The reason that there’s been such a shift in public opinion from last summer on this is because people have gotten more information. Last June, 60 some percent believe that that cop murdered George Floyd. Today it’s 30 something

The jury is going to get a lot more information  than even the general public. It’s pathetic watching the defense tear apart every single witness that the state has brought in


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« Reply #122 on: April 07, 2021, 04:36:10 pm »
Not joking at all

I’ve been watching this trial very closely and the state has yet to make a case that Chauvins actions remotely caused George Floyd’s death

 Conservatives love victimhood. Everything you’ve listed I’ve heard over and over again that juries will convict because they’re afraid of the mob and yet they consistently do not.

The jurors on this case are very well aware that if they return a not guilty verdict riots will happen. But if history is any guide, they will risk it. I don’t see any evidence that the jurors are  dying to convict us cop

One of the most wonderful things about our system is the verdict  must be unanimous.  But more importantly, the defendant is always assumed to be innocent. It’s up to the state to prove to a jury that the defendant is guilty. Not the other way around

Whether it was the Michael Brown case, The Breonna Taylor case, the George Zimmerman case, the Freddie Gray case, Each time people on conservative websites said that your earth will convict because they’re afraid of the mob and they do not. And mob’s  did threaten

 There’s also that natural psychology and reluctance of juries to want to convict a cop unless what the cop did was particularly egregious.

This is looking more like the George Zimmerman case than the Michael Brown case. The jurors could say that the cop may have made some errors but that nothing he did rose to the crime of murder

 This is not the first time mobs have made threats of violence if they don’t get a conviction only to find out that nothing supports any kind of conviction.

 The reason that there’s been such a shift in public opinion from last summer on this is because people have gotten more information. Last June, 60 some percent believe that that cop murdered George Floyd. Today it’s 30 something

The jury is going to get a lot more information  than even the general public. It’s pathetic watching the defense tear apart every single witness that the state has brought in

On the merits of the case presented by the prosecution and defense, at least what I've seen so far, Chauvin should be acquitted. However, the jury is heavily stacked with people who I believe will not be inclined towards impartiality. There will also be tremendous pressure on jurors to go along with what the mob wants. The media is doing everything it can to ignore a strong case from the defense. Chauvin lost the moment the judge refused a change of venue.
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« Reply #123 on: April 07, 2021, 04:48:14 pm »
On the merits of the case presented by the prosecution and defense, at least what I've seen so far, Chauvin should be acquitted. However, the jury is heavily stacked with people who I believe will not be inclined towards impartiality. There will also be tremendous pressure on jurors to go along with what the mob wants. The media is doing everything it can to ignore a strong case from the defense. Chauvin lost the moment the judge refused a change of venue.
The really sad part, if it wasn't sad enough....is that WHEN Chauvin goes to prison, and he will...he'll likely be killed.

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« Reply #124 on: April 07, 2021, 04:55:36 pm »
The really sad part, if it wasn't sad enough....is that WHEN Chauvin goes to prison, and he will...he'll likely be killed.
And, unlike George Floyd, no one will notice.

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