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Re: How safe are the COVID vaccines?
« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2021, 06:05:23 pm »
The concerns I have with AstraZeneca are not with its safety, but instead with its efficacy. A lot of places that have gone fully gung ho with the AZ vaccine as their primary vaccine are still seeing huge spikes. Italy is rushing back into yet another lockdown.

AZ developed their vaccine at the same time as Pfizer and Moderna. The problem was, the vaccine in the study was revealed to have not had consistent dosing, which spoiled the results, which is why the FDA never granted EUA. The results they did muster showed their two-dose regimen to be much less effective than even J&J's one-dose, but somehow the botched dosages had more protection. It wasn't very convincing of a study and the real-world implications are showing that it's not very effective at all. South Africa suspended the use of that vaccine because it didn't work.

At least the other three have proven track records.
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Re: How safe are the COVID vaccines?
« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2021, 09:53:48 pm »
The concerns I have with AstraZeneca are not with its safety, but instead with its efficacy. A lot of places that have gone fully gung ho with the AZ vaccine as their primary vaccine are still seeing huge spikes. Italy is rushing back into yet another lockdown.

AZ developed their vaccine at the same time as Pfizer and Moderna. The problem was, the vaccine in the study was revealed to have not had consistent dosing, which spoiled the results, which is why the FDA never granted EUA. The results they did muster showed their two-dose regimen to be much less effective than even J&J's one-dose, but somehow the botched dosages had more protection. It wasn't very convincing of a study and the real-world implications are showing that it's not very effective at all. South Africa suspended the use of that vaccine because it didn't work.

At least the other three have proven track records.

That's what bothered me about the AZ vaccine -- very sloppy clinical trial, IMO. Where else might they have been sloppy? You also couldn't pay me enough to take a vaccine from Russia or China.  I have no reservations re Pfizer, Moderna, J&J.

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Re: How safe are the COVID vaccines?
« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2021, 10:17:10 pm »
I have faith in my god given immune system.  It has protected me for 65 years.  Take your covid shot and shove it... I ain't taking it anymore or ever.

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a wreck may be ahead, but I don't mind,
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Re: How safe are the COVID vaccines?
« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2021, 10:26:38 pm »
That's what bothered me about the AZ vaccine -- very sloppy clinical trial, IMO. Where else might they have been sloppy? You also couldn't pay me enough to take a vaccine from Russia or China.  I have no reservations re Pfizer, Moderna, J&J.

Reports are China is not allowing entrance unless the traveler has been vaccinated with the China vaccine.

I wonder how many Americans will go along with THIS @LadyLiberty

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Re: How safe are the COVID vaccines?
« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2021, 11:08:51 pm »
The concerns I have with AstraZeneca are not with its safety, but instead with its efficacy. A lot of places that have gone fully gung ho with the AZ vaccine as their primary vaccine are still seeing huge spikes. Italy is rushing back into yet another lockdown.

AZ developed their vaccine at the same time as Pfizer and Moderna. The problem was, the vaccine in the study was revealed to have not had consistent dosing, which spoiled the results, which is why the FDA never granted EUA. The results they did muster showed their two-dose regimen to be much less effective than even J&J's one-dose, but somehow the botched dosages had more protection. It wasn't very convincing of a study and the real-world implications are showing that it's not very effective at all. South Africa suspended the use of that vaccine because it didn't work.

At least the other three have proven track records.

IIRC, the AZ has been shown ineffective against the "South African" variant. If/when AZ requests EUA from the FDA, that will be a significant consideration.

Italy's problem, along with most EU nations, is not reliance on AZ's vaccine so much as their very delayed and slow vaccine roll-out.
If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"? Is reality a Big Pharma Shill?

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Re: How safe are the COVID vaccines?
« Reply #30 on: March 22, 2021, 12:04:41 am »
 22222frying pan

Take your dose. 

Dumbasses.
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Re: How safe are the COVID vaccines?
« Reply #31 on: March 22, 2021, 07:40:19 pm »
IIRC, the AZ has been shown ineffective against the "South African" variant. If/when AZ requests EUA from the FDA, that will be a significant consideration.

Italy's problem, along with most EU nations, is not reliance on AZ's vaccine so much as their very delayed and slow vaccine roll-out.

Looks like AZ may apply for EUA in a few weeks, https://www.astrazeneca.com/content/astraz/media-centre/press-releases/2021/astrazeneca-us-vaccine-trial-met-primary-endpoint.html#!

IIRC, the tests in which the dosing mix-up happened was in Brazil, not in all countries in which testing was done. If I understand the AZ article correctly, their EUA application would be based only on US test data. That doesn't preclude the apparent lack of efficacy against the "South Africa" variant being a consideration.

Rewinding to last summer, AZ looked to be the farthest ahead in the testing process, and that may be why OWS' initial purchase was 300M doses instead of the 100M dose purchases made with Pfizer, Moderna, et al. The dosing mix-up in Brazil's tests may have delayed AZ's application for EUA by 3 or 4 months.

IF AZ is approved, that would make 400M doses that came under contract during LIEden's MalAdministration without LIEden lifting a finger. Novavax and another 100M doses may be coming in a few weeks as well.
If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"? Is reality a Big Pharma Shill?

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Re: How safe are the COVID vaccines?
« Reply #32 on: March 23, 2021, 04:53:19 pm »
22222frying pan

Take your dose. 

Dumbasses.
I took the Pfizer vaccine with no side affects, other than the 6th finger now appearing on my left hand.  Oh wait....yeah I guess a 6th toe as well. :o)

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Re: How safe are the COVID vaccines?
« Reply #33 on: March 23, 2021, 04:57:04 pm »
I got my 1st dose of Pfizer on St. Patrick's day.
No side effects.
nd one is scheduled for April 7th.
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Re: How safe are the COVID vaccines?
« Reply #34 on: March 23, 2021, 05:59:01 pm »
How accurate are the COVID tests? Click on this tweet. Apparently, some folks in Germany put a drop of beer on a test kit, and it came up positive for Covid-19.

https://twitter.com/mikhail86439176/status/1373019477898629120
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Re: How safe are the COVID vaccines?
« Reply #35 on: March 23, 2021, 07:02:35 pm »
How accurate are the COVID tests? Click on this tweet. Apparently, some folks in Germany put a drop of beer on a test kit, and it came up positive for Covid-19.

https://twitter.com/mikhail86439176/status/1373019477898629120


Maybe they should not have used a Mexican Beer?

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Re: How safe are the COVID vaccines?
« Reply #36 on: March 23, 2021, 07:21:11 pm »
C'mon, man, it was Germany. I'm sure they used some actual good Reinheitsgebot bier.  :beer:

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Re: How safe are the COVID vaccines?
« Reply #37 on: March 23, 2021, 07:35:19 pm »
22222frying pan

Take your dose. 

Dumbasses.

Dayum... I forgot my Sarcasm tag on this one.

Sorry folks.  The great one is slipping in his old age.   :cool:

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Re: How safe are the COVID vaccines?
« Reply #38 on: March 23, 2021, 10:24:42 pm »
I got my first dose of Moderna yesterday and the only reaction I had was to the damn bandage they put on me. I had much more reaction to TDAP, Shingles and Hepatitis vaccines, which all caused swelling redness and pain, heck I had trouble lifting my arm it hurt so bad after the Shingles injection. I guess I'll see how it goes with the second injection, that's apparently the one people have the biggest reaction to.

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Re: How safe are the COVID vaccines?
« Reply #40 on: March 23, 2021, 11:30:41 pm »
No pain.  No ill effects.  My arm feels fine.  (But then I didn't get the vaccine).
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Re: How safe are the COVID vaccines?
« Reply #41 on: March 27, 2021, 02:42:33 pm »
Obituary: Kansas woman dies of allergic reaction after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine
EMS dispatch states the woman was having difficulty breathing and speaking when 911 was called
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EFFINGHAM, Kan. —  Family members say a Kansas woman died after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine earlier this week.

In the obituary posted with Becker Dyer-Stanton Funeral Home, family members said 68-year-old Jeanie M. Evans, of Effingham, died unexpectedly on Wednesday at the Stormont-Vail Hospital after having a reaction to a COVID-19 vaccine.

Emergency dispatch records note a patient had an allergic reaction at a vaccine clinic site just after 4 p.m. on Tuesday.

Dispatch identified the patient as a 68-year-old female having difficulty breathing and speaking — adding that she had been injected with an EpiPen and that there were two nurses with her on the scene. ...
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Re: How safe are the COVID vaccines?
« Reply #42 on: April 01, 2021, 01:50:17 pm »

Tweets from Alex Berenson:
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1/ Okay, a bunch of countries have decided @AstraZeneca’s #Covid vaccine is double-plus ungood because of a tiny ittybitty lil risk it will cause horrible deaths in healthy young adults.
But no worries about the @JNJNews @pfizer @moderna_tx shots, right?
Well. Hmm.

2/ All these vaccines work the same way - by hijacking your cells and making them crank out massive numbers of #SARSCoV2 spike proteins, leading to an antibody response far more intense than most people have to the actual virus...

3/ However, they deliver the molecule that causes the hijacking differently. The JNJ and AstraZeneca vaccines both use a modified cold virus hitched to a piece of DNA (which converts to RNA in your cells); the Pfizer and Moderna shots use RNA itself, inside a tiny ball of fat...

4/ So is a specific part of the AZN viral delivery system causing the problem? Maybe. Then the others should be fine. Or is the DNA/AAV mix acting up somehow? Maybe. In that case Pfizer and Moderna are okay, JNJ isn’t.  Or is it the overproduction of spike proteins itself?

5/ Maybe. In that case this is a risk across the board. Or perhaps some spike proteins are being misproduced because of flaws in the RNA (the EMA talked about this risk with @Pfizer). Or maybe that’s not a problem either.
Maybe. Maybe. Maybe.
What I am getting at here...

6/ Is when you travel at WARRRRP SPEEEED, you leave the known universe behind. The reason we know about this AZN problem is NOT from the clinical trials, it’s because several European countries noticed it.  But wouldn’t they have done the same with the others? Not necessarily...

7/ Remember, for a while people over 65 were not getting the AZN shot in most of Europe. And it is YOUNGER people who appear to be suffering these blood disorders. So maybe the AZN problems jumped out early because the shot was going mainly to them.

8/ But what about the US? Many millions of people under 55 have received the @pfizer and @moderna_tx vaccines. Wouldn’t we have seen a problem?  That’s just it. We HAVE. VAERS has many reports of blood disorders, and last month hematologists wrote a paper discussing the issue...


9/ But the US doesn’t have a national health-care system, so it doesn’t have a single database researchers can examine. It has VAERS. And VAERS appears to be overwhelmed at the moment. It also has a public health establishment desperate to tell people #Covid vaccines are safe...

10/ So to go back to the original question: are these blood disorders associated only with the AZN vaccine?

Maybe.

And maybe that’s good enough for you.
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Re: How safe are the COVID vaccines?
« Reply #43 on: April 01, 2021, 03:03:05 pm »
1. A bunch of countries researched the blood clots question, determined that fewer among the vaccinated experienced the clots than would happen in the general population, and resumed use of the AZ vaccine. The Berenson Tweet was posted well after the UK's and EU's equivalents of the FDA made this decision. That he omitted relevant facts, ummmm, does not reflect well on him.

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4/ So is a specific part of the AZN viral delivery system causing the problem? Maybe. Then the others should be fine. Or is the DNA/AAV mix acting up somehow? Maybe. In that case Pfizer and Moderna are okay, JNJ isn’t.  Or is it the overproduction of spike proteins itself?

Why did Berenson not inform readers about the fact that every vaccine has, besides its active ingredient, inert ingredients to dilute for usability and as preservative(s)? Is he ignorant or lying by omission?

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9/ But the US doesn’t have a national health-care system, so it doesn’t have a single database researchers can examine. It has VAERS. And VAERS appears to be overwhelmed at the moment. It also has a public health establishment desperate to tell people #Covid vaccines are safe...

Why did Berenson not inform readers that the VAERS database records all "adverse incidents", many of which, when investigated, are not due to the vaccinations? Is he ignorant or lying by omission?

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10/ So to go back to the original question: are these blood disorders associated only with the AZN vaccine?

Maybe.

And maybe that’s good enough for you.

Why did Berenson not inform readers that the UK and EU equivalents of the FDA determined that the blood clots were not associated with the AZ vaccine? Is he ignorant or lying by omission?

Berenson's Tweet thread is Panic Porn FUD.
If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"? Is reality a Big Pharma Shill?

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Re: How safe are the COVID vaccines?
« Reply #44 on: April 01, 2021, 03:05:59 pm »
Just putting it out there. I don't know anything about Berenson's motives.
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« Reply #45 on: April 01, 2021, 03:07:19 pm »
Still waiting to see the first documented case of someone fully recovered from the virus infecting a vaccinated person because they didn't wear a mask.
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Re: How safe are the COVID vaccines?
« Reply #46 on: April 01, 2021, 04:01:53 pm »
I got the first round of the pfizer vaccine this past Monday.  No reaction at all.  Not even soreness in the arm.
@thackney

Bob has had both pfizer shots.  After the second one, he felt a little unbalanced when he walked to the car, so he sat there until he "felt right".  That was it for the second one.

I can't have any of the vaccines, but I would if I could.

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« Reply #47 on: April 01, 2021, 04:04:33 pm »
Also still waiting to see the first documented case of someone fully recovered from the virus being hospitalized from one of these new so-called 'variants'.
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« Reply #48 on: April 01, 2021, 04:21:01 pm »
Also still waiting to see the first documented case of someone fully recovered from the virus being hospitalized from one of these new so-called 'variants'.

Virus Variant in Brazil Infected Many Who Had Already Recovered From Covid-19
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/01/health/covid-19-coronavirus-brazil-variant.html


...The researchers tested these possibilities by tracking P.1 from its earliest samples in December. By early January, it made up 87 percent of samples. By February it had taken over completely.

Combining the data from genomes, antibodies and medical records in Manaus, the researchers concluded that P.1 conquered the city thanks not to luck but biology: Its mutations helped it spread. Like B.1.1.7, it can infect more people, on average, than other variants can. They estimate it is somewhere between 1.4 and 2.2 times more transmissible than other lineages of coronaviruses.

But it also gets an edge from mutations that let it escape antibodies from other coronaviruses. They estimate that in 100 people who were infected with non-P.1 lineages in Manaus last year, somewhere between 25 and 61 of them could have been reinfected if they were exposed to P.1 in Manaus.

The researchers found support for this conclusion in an experiment in which they mixed P.1 viruses with antibodies from Brazilians who had Covid-19 last year. They found that the effectiveness of their antibodies dropped sixfold against P.1 compared with other coronaviruses. That drop might mean that at least some people would be vulnerable to new infections from P.1.

Dr. Faria said “an increasing body of evidence” suggests that most cases in the second wave were the result of reinfections....
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Re: How safe are the COVID vaccines?
« Reply #49 on: April 01, 2021, 04:21:44 pm »
Chiming in ... I'd like to see a weasel-free explanation why a person who has recovered from Covid, :seeya: , should be vaccinated.

The gooberment's weaselly contradictory messaging about immunity - by vaccination or by recovery - is another self-inflicted blow to gooberment authority and credibility.
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