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That's not what the Rodents are doing.

The Rodents are undermining the foundations of American society, and they've truly breached the cofferdams, but they will continue to dig until every miniscule vestige of the great culture the Rodents despise has been erased from human memory.

It's not that they've run out of targets, it's that they've succeeded in bringing down the primary targets and are now working on secondary and tertiary opportunities.

Today's school kids never heard of Mark Twain...and they believe Thomas Jefferson's only imprint on history is his alleged flaming racism, etc.

They've destroyed math and science in the US, the next generation of high school graduates will be almost completely illiterate in mathematics...this started when the moronic teachers started letting the students use calculators for algebra problems.   They're functionally illiterate already.  Since they've already made Moby Dick inaccessible to them...how many of them think it's a porn novel...by the sheer fact that it's damn difficult to read, they're going to go after the easier targets.

Seuss is fun to read.   Reading can't be fun for small children, they might get the urge to turn off the drivel on TV and read something the Rodents don't approve of, like the Federalist Papers.

The Rodents will be chipping away until not even Ozymandias' skull is left.

@Sled Dog

I'm with ya on ALL of that.

Religions are a different story,though. Teaching religin in schools,REGARDLESS of the flavor,means teaching dogma,which means indoctrination because there is only "one true religion" according to the followers of THAT religion.

Since you can't teach it as anything other than dogma,you shouldn't be allowed to teach it in public schools.

Besides,teaching religious dogma is the job of the charlatans that push it each Saturday or Sunday under formal settings.
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@Sled Dog

I'm with ya on ALL of that.

Religions are a different story,though. Teaching religin in schools,REGARDLESS of the flavor,means teaching dogma,which means indoctrination because there is only "one true religion" according to the followers of THAT religion.

Since you can't teach it as anything other than dogma,you shouldn't be allowed to teach it in public schools.

Besides,teaching religious dogma is the job of the charlatans that push it each Saturday or Sunday under formal settings.

But the public schools are already teaching religion: the religion of the totalitarian, leftist state.

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But the public schools are already teaching religion: the religion of the totalitarian, leftist state.

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That has to be the lamest and oldest excuse in the books.

"Deys asrewin stuff up,sew hit must be ok for me to screw it up more!"
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That has to be the lamest and oldest excuse in the books.

"Deys asrewin stuff up,sew hit must be ok for me to screw it up more!"

Well, your arguing against religious indoctrination while allowing religious indoctrination. The leftism being taught in the schools meets all the criteria of a religion.

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Well, your arguing against religious indoctrination while allowing religious indoctrination. The leftism being taught in the schools meets all the criteria of a religion.

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It does in a general sense,but not formally. For example,they get no special tax breaks or national holidays.
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It does in a general sense,but not formally. For example,they get no special tax breaks or national holidays.

Of course they do. They have the entire state working for them.

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Of course they do. They have the entire state working for them.

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You know better than that. You are just playing "It's the Christians against the evil Heathens Game".
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@Sled Dog

I'm with ya on ALL of that.

Religions are a different story,though. Teaching religin in schools,REGARDLESS of the flavor,means teaching dogma,which means indoctrination because there is only "one true religion" according to the followers of THAT religion.

Since you can't teach it as anything other than dogma,you shouldn't be allowed to teach it in public schools.

Besides,teaching religious dogma is the job of the charlatans that push it each Saturday or Sunday under formal settings.
Oh, I disagree. If you want to understand a culture, any culture, you need to understand their religious dimensions as well, simply because a great deal of that culture will be tied directly to that. The whole thing with the Japanese worshiping their emperor ties in with that, the founders' ideas of unalienable Rights, everything from god kings to oracles at Delphi all tie in with that religious view held by a people. So teach them all, from atheism to
Zoroastrianism, so people can better see where cultures are coming from.

That way, when we go to war with whomever, we'll understand if they think they are coming back again, getting 72 virgins, going to eternal bliss, Valhalla, or whether their demise will end in nothingness. You can't tell me that doesn't affect how their people will act.
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@BassWrangler

It does in a general sense,but not formally. For example,they get no special tax breaks or national holidays.
Right. They get 'history months' and subsidies instead.
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Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

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Oh, I disagree. If you want to understand a culture, any culture, you need to understand their religious dimensions as well, simply because a great deal of that culture will be tied directly to that. The whole thing with the Japanese worshiping their emperor ties in with that, the founders' ideas of unalienable Rights, everything from god kings to oracles at Delphi all tie in with that religious view held by a people. So teach them all, from atheism to
Zoroastrianism, so people can better see where cultures are coming from.

That way, when we go to war with whomever, we'll understand if they think they are coming back again, getting 72 virgins, going to eternal bliss, Valhalla, or whether their demise will end in nothingness. You can't tell me that doesn't affect how their people will act.

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I agree with you in principle,but there are so many different religions that if we were to do that,there would be no time to teach math,sciences,history,etc,etc,etc.

Not that we teach much of that in public schools,as it is. Sadly,public education is a hit or miss thing as it is.

Better to let the pros from the various faiths teach it on their Holy Day to the ones that want it.

Yes,that does violate your common sense suggestion,but there is no other practical solution.

Besides,it is not the  place or obligation of government to see to the religious education/indoctrination of children. That is the job of their parents and what,if any the children get is their choice to make.
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Right. They get 'history months' and subsidies instead.

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Really? This is the first time I have heard about that. Then again,I have no children,so I am not really up on much that is going on in public schools.

I know that sort of thing goes on in places like Catholic Schools,but having it happen in public schools is new to me.
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@Smokin Joe

Really? This is the first time I have heard about that. Then again,I have no children,so I am not really up on much that is going on in public schools.

I know that sort of thing goes on in places like Catholic Schools,but having it happen in public schools is new to me.
Since there has been an ethnocentric 'history month' in public schools, the majority of the living or recently deceased people focused on were often affiliated with the Communist Party. Others noted commonly were in rebellion with the status quo, and sometimes that was a commendable thing, but the emphasis was on the rebellion aspect, not so much what they were rebelling against, nor how that was in conflict with the founding principles of this nation or others. Short shrift was given to those who made scientific and medical advances, from the developments of George Washington Carver, to the discoveries of Dr. Charles Drew, whose efforts in hematology led to blood typing, transfusions, and countless lives saved. That historical focus only partitions history into a hodgepodge of events and dates, instead of a more coherent picture. History should be taught as a synchronous timeline, showing the interrelationships in a temporal setting, tying in developments in technology (often linked with religion early on), and not judging the actions of those in the past by today's standards, but teaching the mindset of the era in which those actions took place as well as what happened. As one option, History should be a four year run in High School, along with math, science, and in a decent curriculum, past English composition, literature courses should mirror the timeline of the history classes to bolster the concepts of the mindsets of the era. Everything would tie together.

The alternate track would lead into trades rather than academics, and would include English writing, reading comprehension, math and science, and some basic skills would be taught to both groups, to ground the academic track in reality a bit, and to aid the trade track students in the founding and operation of businesses.

Vlad Tepys' actions with sticks and enemies take on a different meaning when facing the Ottoman horde, and someone taught as a horroshow becomes the real life Colonel Kurtz of his day, stemming the tide of invasion. In the high school I attended my last two years, we did have a world religion course, which showed how the mindsets of the various civilizations were affected by the religious beliefs which were dominant in their place and time, but allowed us to compare and contrast those belief systems across the world and through time. Yes, that was a Catholic School, unafraid to teach those other belief systems, not like the godless Marxists in the Public School system, who believe "religion is the opiate of the masses".

Obviously, they were off; for some masses, it's more like Meth.
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Vlad Tepys' actions with sticks and enemies take on a different meaning when facing the Ottoman horde, and someone taught as a horroshow becomes the real life Colonel Kurtz of his day, stemming the tide of invasion. In the high school I attended my last two years, we did have a world religion course, which showed how the mindsets of the various civilizations were affected by the religious beliefs which were dominant in their place and time, but allowed us to compare and contrast those belief systems across the world and through time. Yes, that  a Catholic School, unafraid to teach those other belief systems, not like the godless Marxists in the Public School system, who believe "religion is the opiate of the masses".



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A tip of the hat to your Catholic High School for that one! They were obviously biased towards Catholicism,but so what? That was to be expected by all. The important factor is that they DID inform other faiths of  the political as well as the human implications of national religions,which would also obviously apply to Catholicism if any student bothered to think at all.

It should be obvious to even a stone that any nation ruled by ANY religion is not a "free people and free nation" because the only voices heard will be the voices of the religious leaders. They are,in fact religious police states.

The Founding Fathers of America obviously understood this well because they grew up in that sort of political atmosphere and saw the negative effects it had. It was this understanding that caused them to place so much importance of the separation of church and state. Which in itself was a TRULY courageous thing for anyone to do at that time.

Sadly,it is STILL a tremendously courageous thing to suggest in far too many nations of today. It can not only cost you your job and position in life,it can cause you to lose your life and even the lives of your family in some cases.
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@Smokin Joe

A tip of the hat to your Catholic High School for that one! They were obviously biased towards Catholicism,but so what? That was to be expected by all. The important factor is that they DID inform other faiths and the political implications of national religions,which would also obviously apply to Catholicism if any student bothered to think at all.

It should be obvious to even a stone that any nation ruled by ANY religion is not a "free people and free nation" because the only voices heard will be the voices of the religious leaders. They are,in fact police states.

The Founding Fathers of America obviously understood this well because they grew up in that sort of political atmosphere and saw the negative effects it had. It was this understanding that caused them to place so much importance of the separation of church and state. Which in itself was a TRULY courageous thing for anyone to do at that time.

Sadly,it is STILL a tremendously courageous thing to suggest in far too many nations of today. It can not only cost you your job and position in life,it can cause you to lose your life and even the lives of your family in some cases.
Part of their mission was to teach the Catholic faith. Yes, that was an emphasis, but affected the development of the Byzantine and Roman Empires, and the societies which followed. Its excesses, especially when viewed through the lens of science are obvious, and still, those excesses of religious zeal (fervor, or worse) helped shape the founders' principles in crafting our Constitution and Bill of Rights. They also provided the moral framework which was the lens through which those excesses were viewed, and that had a significant impact on not only jurisprudence but law itself. (Thou shalt not bear false witness becomes known as a charge of Perjury, for instance.) Consider that slavery is mentioned often in the Bible, and it becomes a normal part of a culture, only overcome by the concept that all men are created equal and we are endowed by our creator with unalienable Rights.

Yet those same people saw the need to limit the religious excesses of the past, and while ensuring the Right to worship (or not) as one pleases, made certain that that would not become a test for holding office. That separation is a thin, short, chain link fence, not a massive barrier, and concepts flow back (and forth) easily enough if they are small enough to not overwhelm the more secular mission of government. When those duties are separated, the religious and governing, the two can influence one another without controlling one another, and all is good. When Government or religion invades the provenance of the other, mayhem ensues and problems arise. It is not the domain of government to decide who can or cannot get married, nor is it the domain of government to impose its beliefs on the religious sects which have their own rules in that area. Let those who wish to be married seek that appropriate venue, either sacred or secular, without imposing their personal beliefs on the conduct of a religious order in contravention of the basic beliefs of that religion. Don't like it? Build your own church and take your chances with The Almighty, according to your beliefs. Government has legitimate no say in that, provided your practices do not cross the lines into what is generally accepted as criminal behaviour.
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Books and next will come movies.  Those of you that love Gone with the Wind, best get a copy, for there will be hundreds of movies permanently destroyed.

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Books and next will come movies.  Those of you that love Gone with the Wind, best get a copy, for there will be hundreds of movies permanently destroyed.
We should start a list, but they might use it as a guide. GWTW was so epic that our black History teacher took the entire class to the movie theater to see it in junior high.
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Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

C S Lewis

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We should start a list, but they might use it as a guide. GWTW was so epic that our black History teacher took the entire class to the movie theater to see it in junior high.

I would have said it could be a good investment, but eBay banned sales of the Seuss books...

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They better not mess with these:



If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.

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"The [U.S.] Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals ... it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government ... it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizen's protection against the government."

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