Trump Discusses New ‘Patriot Party’ As Republicans Capitulate

[catfish1957]

I agree with you absolutely.  The problem has always been though not enough true conservatives running to fill those positions.  Local level as well.

Ultimately finding younger true conservatives to run would be the best case scenario. One of the local universities around here at one time had a Young Republican's Club that was very active. But after several years it died out.

Excellent synopis, but the problem is that the dim/MSM/Tech machine has effectively vilified conservatives so badly now, that that fact has to be scaring off the bench talent.   Which is kind of how I felt when I told people I voted for Ford (my first election) post Nixon era.

[Cyber Liberty]

I agree with you absolutely.  The problem has always been though not enough true conservatives running to fill those positions.  Local level as well.

Ultimately finding younger true conservatives to run would be the best case scenario. One of the local universities around here at one time had a Young Republican's Club that was very active. But after several years it died out.

IMHO the key to ending this liberal takeover is getting conservative leadership on the school boards and changing education to include conservatism; teaching true American history, American government and mandate graduation requirements to include a semester on the U.S. Constitution.

Unfortunately, this will take decades and I doubt I'll be around to see it should it be successful.

Forming a new party from the ground up I don't think will work (just my opinion); but will work would be rather infiltrating the DEM party with true conservatives that will operate under the DEM umbrella but vote conservatively.

The other problem of course is the SCOTUS being packed with liberals.

Who knows what the future holds?  I know one guy just got elected to a County Party Board not yet ready to give up.

[Jazzhead]

Excellent synopis, but the problem is that the dim/MSM/Tech machine has effectively vilified conservatives so badly now, that that fact has to be scaring off the bench talent.   Which is kind of how I felt when I told people I voted for Ford (my first election) post Nixon era.

Nonsense.   The GOP bench is talented, conservative and deep.   Once we get over the Trump hangover,  we will understand that the future is bright.

[libertybele]

Who knows what the future holds?  I know one guy just got elected to a County Party Board not yet ready to give up.

I commend you for your efforts.  It is going to take thousand of people like you running and getting elected to make a dent. The problem still remains and always has been getting true conservatives run and then to get seated.

McConnell purposefully directs funds so that his incumbent RINO cronies remain seated to ensure conservatives don't get in. He does what he can to ensure that incoming conservatives don't win -- Cruz relays the games that McConnell plays in his books.

You are absolutely right. No one knows what the future holds.  I am absolutely certain that this election was stolen, our SCOTUS looked the other way and our Republic is being rapidly transformed.  Sloe Joe will ensure that everything President Trump did will be undone; I'm sure they've been working months on the papers that they want him to sign.

I haven't given up, but I cannot and will not support the GOP.  I stopped supporting the party itself years ago and I have only supported a local state representative and Cruz since 'W' choked in his 2nd term.

I can't even say that I will continue to support Cruz at this point.  He has done nothing to make me think any less of him, I just feel that this battle is over and a new battle needs to be started in order to win. He must see the writing on the wall.  There's no way he's going to win his next term compliments of thousands of illegals eligible to vote, changed electoral laws and rigged voting machines.  I think he realizes that.

[bilo]

First order of business: elect actual conservatives to state legislatures, AG and Secretary of State positions - and demand they prohibit the type of election shenanigans we saw in November.

This is where a 3rd party needs to start. Trying to reform the Pub party from the ground up is a waste of time. The new members will quickly be taught that they better go along with the old order of things or they will not advance. If those positions are filled with 3rd party people the potential for corruption is much less because there is no one ahead of them handing out goodies.

@libertybele has pointed out that existing election laws will make it tough for a 3rd party and the ruling elites will change the laws if they perceive a threat, this is one of the reasons a 3rd party has to start at the State level. Once a 3rd party has a majority in a State govt. changing the election laws to hurt them becomes very hard.

[libertybele]

Nonsense.   The GOP bench is talented, conservative and deep.   Once we get over the Trump hangover,  we will understand that the future is bright.

Well @Jazzhead again, you are absolutely missing one HUGE factor.  This movement was never about Trump.  It was about the hearts and souls of "We the People". Yes there were some that adored Trump just because of who he was; the vast majority supported him because he represented the voice of the people.  Big difference.

Your definition of the GOP is much different than mine.  There are probably no more than a handful of conservatives left in either House.

So explain to me, with the fraud that occurred, the SCOTUS being packed with liberals, and asylum granted to millions, how you mathematically figure that any GOP will ever be seated again?

Wake up and look at what is going on.  Take a reality check.  We lost our Republic.  If you haven't realized that by now, you will once socialism smacks you in the face.

[bilo]

The sooner people acknowledge that the GOP is dead and there's nothing left to fight with, the better. 

Never surrender.  Regroup and recalculate how to win!  I believe right now that's what our focus needs to be.  How do 75+ million people win? 

BUT, and this I feel is important; Just remember, 75 million sounds like a lot but amnesty is being granted to over 11,000,000 which will quickly multiply when there families join them.  Then there's the refugees that will be granted status and within 5 years they will be eligible for citizenship.

So ... we WILL be outnumbered.  So, I don't know if what we are hoping for is even a reality.

 

[libertybele]

This is where a 3rd party needs to start. Trying to reform the Pub party from the ground up is a waste of time. The new members will quickly be taught that they better go along with the old order of things or they will not advance. If those positions are filled with 3rd party people the potential for corruption is much less because there is no one ahead of them handing out goodies.

@libertybele has pointed out that existing election laws will make it tough for a 3rd party and the ruling elites will change the laws if they perceive a threat, this is one of the reasons a 3rd party has to start at the State level. Once a 3rd party has a majority in a State govt. changing the election laws to hurt them becomes very hard.

@bilo yes, each state has their own set of election laws, however, each state MUST follow federal election laws.

So IMHO, what just happened to the GOP (several coups enacted) will need to happen to the DEMS and a whole new party can be inserted then.

[roamer_1]

I agree with you absolutely.  The problem has always been though not enough true conservatives running to fill those positions.  Local level as well.

Ultimately finding younger true conservatives to run would be the best case scenario. One of the local universities around here at one time had a Young Republican's Club that was very active. But after several years it died out.

You WILL get MORE of what you vote FOR. The act of voting 'against' - not caring what your guy is - That almost necessitates a diminishing return in your own. When people are not held to a standard, invariably they will gravitate lower. Walking up a ravine, it is clearly easier to follow the bottom. Why strive? That is why there are too few. Because striving sucks. People come out of the bottom of that ravine to struggle up the high sides only because they are driven there.

If you want Conservatism to increase, DEMAND they walk the line. And the young, up and coming, will be shaped by that environment. They will rise to meet the standard, because they will know getting in what that standard is. If that is sustained, it becomes the norm, and in that normalcy will rise statesmen instead of mere politicians, because those thieving bastards, young in that day, will not care to strive that hard, and will instead tend to turn to other venues, where picking peoples pockets might not be so hard to do.

It is the same thing in business - Everybody whines about crappy Chinese products. but everybody buys them. And businessmen are going to continue to sell y'all crap so long as you continue to buy it. And the next generation of products will be crappier than we have now.

It isn't until everybody starts demanding quality that there will be profit in quality. The demand for quality will provide it's own path as businessmen start failing because their junk won't sell, The next group up and coming will know a higher standard must be employed in order to profit.

It is the very same in ALL things. You get what you pay for. What you buy, you'll get more of. What you vote for, you'll get more of.

It is the demand for orthodoxy and real performance that will produce orthodoxy and real performance.

[Right_in_Virginia]

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[Right_in_Virginia]

Nonsense.   The GOP bench is talented, conservative and deep.   Once we get over the Trump hangover,  we will understand that the future is bright.

Nonsense.  We've just experienced a paradigm shift.  Get used to it.

[Cyber Liberty]

Nonsense.  We've just experienced a paradigm shift.  Get used to it.

What is interesting is the difference between Jazz' sideline sniping and the real life experiences of a Cyber on the Executive Board of a small County GOP.  I wonder which will produce the better results?

I really don't know the answer, it may be a colossal waste of time.  Meh, being retired has its benefits.

[Right_in_Virginia]

I still think the GOP is the more practical tool to accomplish this objective...but it needs serious overhauling from the ground up.  That's why I ran for the County office that I did.  [...]

An overhaul from the ground up is a new party, is it not @Cyber Liberty   I don't think we've ever had such a large swath of voters -- and political officeholders --- ready for such a change.

[Cyber Liberty]

An overhaul from the ground up is a new party, is it not @Cyber Liberty   I don't think we've ever had such a large swath of voters -- and political officeholders --- ready for such a change.

I don't know if it requires a whole new party, but I explained before they elected me that if we don't fix it, the GOP is going the way of the Whigs.  It would surely shake things up if I leave the Party before the 22 Election.

Sometimes it requires a really stupid and futile gesture....

[Right_in_Virginia]

I don't know if it requires a whole new party, but I explained before they elected me that if we don't fix it, the GOP is going the way of the Whigs.  It would surely shake things up if I leave the Party before the 22 Election.

Sometimes it requires a really stupid and futile gesture....

Maybe not a whole new party; just a new name and branding, new leadership and a new party platform.   

[XenaLee]

I don't know if it requires a whole new party, but I explained before they elected me that if we don't fix it, the GOP is going the way of the Whigs.  It would surely shake things up if I leave the Party before the 22 Election.

Sometimes it requires a really stupid and futile gesture....

Can it be fixed?   Haven't we been trying for years to fix it?   Much like nothing has been done to prevent election fraud, nothing has been done to "fix" it, either.

[bilo]

Can it be fixed?   Haven't we been trying for years to fix it?   Much like nothing has been done to prevent election fraud, nothing has been done to "fix" it, either.

 

[Cyber Liberty]

Can it be fixed?   Haven't we been trying for years to fix it?   Much like nothing has been done to prevent election fraud, nothing has been done to "fix" it, either.

I dunno. It might be futile. 

[libertybele]

Can it be fixed?   Haven't we been trying for years to fix it?   Much like nothing has been done to prevent election fraud, nothing has been done to "fix" it, either.

No. I don't think that it can. The GOP, nor the government as it is can be fixed.  Especially not from the top down.  It will take many election cycles to revamp the GOP even if we begin to somehow rebuild from the bottom up, something that should have been done since W's first term of office. We don't have decades to rebuild; our country IS being destroyed NOW.

Only with a new party/government is there any hope and even that is a big "IF".  The DEMS will start changing laws and loading the courts with liberals to ensure that they stay in power and that a GOP is never seated again.  Many of us saw this coming and many refused to open their eyes.  Here we sit.

[XenaLee]

I dunno. It might be futile. 

Unlike the Constitution Party, which never really 'took off'....(different time, different circumstances)...

I think a new Trump-inspired Patriot Party would succeed.   I think there's enough pissed off (former) GOP voters that would jump at the chance to leave the RINO Uniparty and join the PP.   And I'm one of them.   

[bilo]

@bilo yes, each state has their own set of election laws, however, each state MUST follow federal election laws.

So IMHO, what just happened to the GOP (several coups enacted) will need to happen to the DEMS and a whole new party can be inserted then.

Obviously that's not the case for Rats, just look at PA.

The point I'm making is a 3rd party has to place a greater emphasis on City, County, State offices than Federal positions. Control the State before worrying about congressional seats. If the movement is big enough at the State level a fair number of congressional seats will flip.

[libertybele]

Obviously that's not the case for Rats, just look at PA.

The point I'm making is a 3rd party has to place a greater emphasis on City, County, State offices than Federal positions. Control the State before worrying about congressional seats. If the movement is big enough at the State level a fair number of congressional seats will flip.

In theory yes.  In reality no.  The DEMS will change voting laws and procedures so that they never lose a seat and they will continue with election fraud to seat who they want.  Combine that will all the illegals that will be given voting rights and all the refugees that can apply for citizenship and there is no way that there is going to be a 3rd party win... New party/government, win maybe.

That is my opinion and the reality that I see anyways.

[bilo]

No. I don't think that it can. The GOP, nor the government as it is can be fixed.  Especially not from the top down.  It will take many election cycles to revamp the GOP even if we begin to somehow rebuild from the bottom up, something that should have been done since W's first term of office. We don't have decades to rebuild; our country IS being destroyed NOW.

Only with a new party/government is there any hope and even that is a big "IF".  The DEMS will start changing laws and loading the courts with liberals to ensure that they stay in power and that a GOP is never seated again.  Many of us saw this coming and many refused to open their eyes.  Here we sit.

I think we have to be honest with ourselves. The possibility of saving the Republic from the fascist state is not going to happen.

If we recognize that the fascist state is here to stay the question is how do we respond. I think the answer is separation and if this is our goal how do we do it. I believe a 3rd party starting at the State level in multiple States can achieve this goal once it controls several State Houses. The fascists don't want the deplorables and if we are running several States and make life difficult for them eventually they will be happy to let us go.

[roamer_1]

Sometimes it requires a really stupid and futile gesture....

I can do that... It's sorta my signature move. Here. Hold my beer... 

[Fishrrman]

bilo wrote:
"I think we have to be honest with ourselves. The possibility of saving the Republic from the fascist state is not going to happen."

Give up this "facist" nonsense.
Change that to "communist", and I can agree with almost everything else you wrote.

Why can't the folks in this forum start calling a spade, a spade...?