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Re: Bye, Bye, Miss American Pie
« Reply #25 on: January 17, 2021, 07:22:15 pm »
LOL! That's right! Sincerely!  :laugh: :beer:

But I was not talking of a manipulated scenario. There have been sincere revivals here before, and it can happen again... And normally does in times of trouble. We have a dark path to walk that we ourselves have started down... Let's hope we hear when Yah in his mercy calls us back. It will hurt, and it will suck. and it will be harder than carrying on the same... But I will hope that America will hear and remember who she is.

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Re: Bye, Bye, Miss American Pie
« Reply #26 on: January 17, 2021, 07:31:34 pm »
I agree @roamer_1 that the solution is not political and that the American church (at least the part of it I can see) is ill fit for its purpose right now.  Given that, *where* will revival come from, and how will revival affect the country corporately other than by first affecting people individually?

Well of course it begins in individuals... But it is a moving of the Spirit - And several revivals are already in our past. I think it cannot come from churches where fat women dress in finery and gossip at the coffee hour.

Revival tends to begin in adversity.

I had thought I saw it coming on 9/11 ... That big ol sucker punch didn't knock us down - But America fell to her knees, and relied again upon the only One. The churches swelled... I tear up just thinking about it... Everyone else seemed tuned to the horror, or rising up in anger... But me - I heard the prayer of a nation. But that last sign - a nation allowed to be attacked upon her own shores - And AMAZINGLY, right where she was founded - That sign went unnoticed and as soon as the newness wore off, so did the repentance.

If the Spirit moves on this nation, she can be healed and remember who she is. Many today hate to hear that, choosing to forget what this nation is for... and eschewing the God who witnessed her establishment. But that is really, honestly the only thing that will save her now.

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Re: Bye, Bye, Miss American Pie
« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2021, 07:43:32 pm »
Well of course it begins in individuals... But it is a moving of the Spirit - And several revivals are already in our past. I think it cannot come from churches where fat women dress in finery and gossip at the coffee hour.
Nor where the message is all about God accepting us as we are.  Why do people think Christ went to the cross?
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I had thought I saw it coming on 9/11 ... That big ol sucker punch didn't knock us down - But America fell to her knees, and relied again upon the only One. The churches swelled... I tear up just thinking about it... Everyone else seemed tuned to the horror, or rising up in anger... But me - I heard the prayer of a nation. But that last sign - a nation allowed to be attacked upon her own shores - And AMAZINGLY, right where she was founded - That sign went unnoticed and as soon as the newness wore off, so did the repentance.
I thought it was significant that the attack occurred on the very things the US is generally associated with - wealth (in the WTC) and military power (in the Pentagon).  Perhaps this was simply the malevolent design of those who executed the attack, but it should have taught a lesson nonetheless.
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If the Spirit moves on this nation, she can be healed and remember who she is. Many today hate to hear that, choosing to forget what this nation is for... and eschewing the God who witnessed her establishment. But that is really, honestly the only thing that will save her now.
I think that Spirit has *always* been the only thing that can preserve the country.  That It did in the past is likely because those men of the past, whose statues we have recently allowed to be defaced and destroyed, recognized their dependence on It.  But of course we are much wiser now than they.....................
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Re: Bye, Bye, Miss American Pie
« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2021, 08:24:51 pm »
Nor where the message is all about God accepting us as we are.  Why do people think Christ went to the cross?

In a word, TORAH. The closer we were to those commandments, the closer we were to faith, and to realizing our need for a Savior... The mechanics of it are simple. If you don't think you are breaking any laws, what need for any but some abstract savior? Lip service is enough, right?

With me it is different... Yeshua personally lead me up out of Egypt with a mighty mighty hand. I know what I was. And I know I don't deserve a damned bit of mercy. And having given me a new life, and a chance or twenty at getting it right, I walk the path of Torah because it's what we do.

That sounds a little funny, but I see it as a House. Yah's house. And I dunno how it was in your family, but the Old Man's word was law in my house. If I went up against him, there was hell to pay. But later, what started in fear of the old man, wound up as a different kind of fear. Respect. and with that love. What he had to dang near beat into me turned out to be right, and once I figured that out, I loved him for saving me from the way I was so often prone toward going.

I love my dad for that patience that did not look much like patience at the time - 'A thundering velvet hand' as Dan Fogelberg so neatly put it. And there ain't no one who would mistake me for being other than my father's son. I keep my dad's torah because it's a family thing. It's just how we do.

I see the House of Yah and his Torah being exactly that same thing. There is nothing salvific to it, anymore than my dad's... It's just what we do who are of the House of YHWH... And I mess it up all the time, and often badly - but just like in my dad's house, it's what we do, and I hope someday that no one will ever mistake me for anything but coming from the house of YHWH... I hope someday to say I am my Father's son.  happy77

America in my youth would understand that much better than now.

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I thought it was significant that the attack occurred on the very things the US is generally associated with - wealth (in the WTC) and military power (in the Pentagon).  Perhaps this was simply the malevolent design of those who executed the attack, but it should have taught a lesson nonetheless.

You are not wrong, but there is much much more - If you get some time, find a lecture - length vid by Jewish Messianic Rb Jonathon Cahn. on the Harbingers. His book on the subject if you need more depth... And you will see a mystery opened up before your eyes... Things a run of the mill Christian would just be utterly ignorant of because of the Hebrew sense of it involved.

And his National Breakfast Address to Congress is a prophet of Yah speaking to power... A magnificent speech where he pulled no punches.
 
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I think that Spirit has *always* been the only thing that can preserve the country.  That It did in the past is likely because those men of the past, whose statues we have recently allowed to be defaced and destroyed, recognized their dependence on It.  But of course we are much wiser now than they.....................

That is exactly right - The hubris of modernity is the great deception writ large.

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Re: Bye, Bye, Miss American Pie
« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2021, 08:27:22 pm »
Why do people think Christ went to the cross?

To bring us back to the Garden.
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Re: Bye, Bye, Miss American Pie
« Reply #30 on: January 17, 2021, 10:12:23 pm »
Note: added paragraphs are mine and I would add one more:

a duly elected President of the United States cut off --- without resistance --- from communicating with American citizens and the world.
I don't think Trump will have a problem getting messages out. The belief of many, including myself, is that if not for Twitter, he would have gotten reelected.

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Re: Bye, Bye, Miss American Pie
« Reply #31 on: January 17, 2021, 11:23:30 pm »
From the article:
Smith continues: “History, simple common sense, tells that when one side shoots at the other, the side taking incoming has two choices: surrender or shoot back."

Traditional-minded Americans in the red states are being shot at, and the barrage will soon increase exponentially.

As stated above, the choices are growing increasingly clear... and, stark.

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Re: Bye, Bye, Miss American Pie
« Reply #32 on: January 18, 2021, 02:58:36 am »
The socialist/communist came to this nation to corrupt and deceive and infiltrate our schools, government, and churches.  They even preach abomination acceptance for endless pulpits across the land.  They promote Satan's End Times agenda while professing they are on Gods side or Gods on their side. How open they are about exposing which side they are on now, even here.  The wicked having been accepted are indeed bold, esp here.  They have been damning America and justifying the wickedness's of the corruptors for decades.  Now they are shamelessly in your face, as the lies they vend seem to be endlessly acceptable to some.  After decades of pizzing on God,God was always on their side, they insist.
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Re: Bye, Bye, Miss American Pie
« Reply #33 on: January 18, 2021, 02:59:56 am »
Ah... if it were only/just that.   It's more like an exponentially increasing state of sin and Satanic insanity.

Everything is upside down, inside out, truth is called lies and the lies are believed by many as the truth.   Is it any wonder that God is turning his back on America now?   Add to that the abortion laws that will be passed enabling full-term and even after birth infanticide. 

No, I think our time is up.   And I think God has spoken that very clear message to us .... so Christians, prepare.

This may help.  Take what you want and leave the rest.  bless you.


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Re: Bye, Bye, Miss American Pie
« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2021, 03:00:52 am »
The socialist/communist came to this nation to corrupt and deceive and infiltrate our schools, government, and churches.  They even preach abomination acceptance for endless pulpits across the land.  They promote Satan's End Times agenda while professing they are on Gods side or Gods on their side. How open they are about exposing which side they are on now, even here.  The wicked having been accepted are indeed bold, esp here.  They have been damning America and justifying the wickedness's of the corruptors for decades.  Now they are shamelessly in your face, as the lies they vend seem to be endlessly acceptable to some.  After decades of pizzing on God,God was always on their side, they insist.

Oh there are gods on their side alright. To  deny it is to deny the supernatural, much as the church has done too.