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Re: Who is really closest to the Nazis?
« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2021, 03:54:31 am »
German American Day October 6th

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On October 2nd, 1987, President Ronald Reagan, in a ceremony in the Rose Garden of the White House signed the first proclamation into law which made October 6th, National German American Day. This day is celebrated every year and calls the attention of the American people to the many contributions German Americans have made to America in over 300 years in this country.

“Our citizens of German descent excel in every discipline and open our minds to the expanses of human possibility. When we drive across a suspension bridge, listen to music played on a Steinway piano or send a child to Kindergarten, their unique traditions and customs surround us. German Americans have influenced our Nation in myriad ways with their industry, culture, and engagement in public life. America is a stronger Nation because of those families who have established longstanding roots in our country, as well as by those who have recently emigrated from abroad. German immigrants, inhabiting every major city, have given much of themselves throughout our history, selflessly expanding the reach of the American Dream.”

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Re: Who is really closest to the Nazis?
« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2021, 04:00:06 am »
Found it.
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; Proclamation 5719 -- German-American Day, 1987.    October 2, 1987
> By the President of the United States of America Proclamation
 
More Americans trace their heritage back to German ancestry than to any other nationality. More than seven ; million Germans have come to our shores through the years, and today some 60 million Americans -- one  in four -- are of German descent. Few people have blended so completely into the multicultural tapestry of American society and yet have made such singular economic, political, social, scientific, and cultural contributions to the growth and success of these United States as have Americans of German extraction.

The United States has embraced a vast array of German traditions, institutions, and influences. Many of these ; have become so accepted as parts of our way of life that their ethnic origin has been obscured. For instance ; Christmas trees and Broadway musicals are familiar features of American society. Our kindergartens, graduate i schools, the social security system, and labor unions are all based on models derived from Germany.

German teachers, musicians, and enthusiastic amateurs have left an indelible imprint on classical music : hymns, choral singing, and marching bands in our country. In architecture and design, German contributions :  include the modern suspension bridge, Bauhaus, and Jugendstil.

German-American scientists have nelped | make the United States the world's pioneer in research and technology. The American work ethic, a major ; factor in the rapid rise of the United States to preeminence in agriculture and industry, owes much to German - Americans' commitment to excellence.

For more than 3 centuries, Germans have helped build, invigorate, and strengthen this country. But the United States has given as well as received. Just a generation ago, America conceived of and swiftly implemented ; the Marshall Plan, which helped the new German democracy rise from the rubble of war to become a beacon  of democracy in Central Europe. The Berlin Airlift demonstrated the American commitment to the defense of freedom when, still recovering from war, Berlin was threatened by strangulation from the Soviets.
Today, the Federal Republic of Germany is a bulwark of democracy in the heart of a divided Europe. Germans and Americans are rightfully proud of our common values as well as our shared heritage. For more than 3 decades the German-American partnership has been a linchpin in the Western Alliance. Thanks to it, a  whole generation of Americans and Europeans has grown up free to enjoy the fruits of liberty.

Our histories are thus intertwined. We now contribute to each other's trade, enjoy each other's cultures, and  learn from each other's experiences. The German-American Friendship Garden, which will be dedicated in the District of Columbia in the near future, is symbolic of the close and amicable relations between West Germany  and the United States.


The Congress, by Public Law 100 - 104, has designated October 6, 1987, the 304th anniversary of the arrival  of the first German immigrants in Philadelphia, as " German-American Day" and has authorized and requested the President to issue a proclamation in observance of that day.

Now, Therefore, I, Ronald Reagan, President of the United States of America, do hereby proclaim Tuesday, j October 6, 1987, as German-American Day. I urge all Americans to learn more about the contributions of German immigrants to the life and culture of the United States and to observe this day with appropriate ceremonies and activities.

In Witness Whereof, I have hereunto set my hand this 2nd day of Oct., in the year of our Lord nineteen hundred and eighty-seven, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and twelfth.

Note from editorial staff: We were hoping to post the 25th anniversary of German-American Day proclamation signed by President Obama but we had to go to press before it was released.

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Re: Who is really closest to the Nazis?
« Reply #27 on: January 18, 2021, 04:45:29 am »
We were colonized by England, who provided virtually all of our population during the two centuries from 1607 till 1812.
Following that, the Irish became our predominant immigrant class over the next 100 years.
This journo has absolutely zero idea what he's talking about!!!!


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Re: Who is really closest to the Nazis?
« Reply #28 on: January 18, 2021, 01:50:12 pm »
  Hitler was Austrian. Hessians were German who fought for George Washington, to create our country.

 About 1933, The GERMANS were being starved to death.  Guess by whom?

  Hitler created the AUTOBAHN. He created the VOLKSWAGEN, he supported women. Muslim Iman, supported Hilter, and when Hitler just wanted to deport Jewish people, Muslim, said.."NOT GOOD ENOUGH". Hitler asked. " what then?"  MUSLIM SAID.."BURN THEM."  As told by PM, BEN, IN ISRAEL.

German people had to join military or be shot to death...right then and there. What would you do? 

My dad was in an AMERICAN CONCENTRATION CAMP AND HE WAS STARVING....he ate some beets grown for cattle, not human consumption to survive. Reaching into the field, they were next to. Not treated well. He and the others took American POW,  as they figured they had a better chance of survival, than going with Russias and sent to SIBERIA.  GUARANTEED DEATH.   He only talked about it to me, at age 88.  He didn't like the memory. German savagery?

@LegalAmerican

Individuals,of German or any other ethnic origin are NOT savages.

It is their political systems that are the savages that capture the people under their control and order them around.

This means BY EXTENSION the "true believers" in the absolute right of ANY political system is a savage,but you get the idea.
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Re: Who is really closest to the Nazis?
« Reply #29 on: January 18, 2021, 01:53:20 pm »
We were colonized by England, who provided virtually all of our population during the two centuries from 1607 till 1812.
Following that, the Irish became our predominant immigrant class over the next 100 years.
This journo has absolutely zero idea what he's talking about!!!!

@Absalom

"WE",who,white man?

My ancestors on my mother's side were already here when the first white European man arrived.

Not to mention the fact that the Spanish were already well established before the first Englishman landed on Roanoke Island in what is  now called North Carolina.
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Re: Who is really closest to the Nazis?
« Reply #30 on: January 18, 2021, 05:57:18 pm »
@Absalom
"WE",who,white man?
My ancestors on my mother's side were already here when the first white European man arrived.
Not to mention the fact that the Spanish were already well established before the first Englishman landed on Roanoke Island in what is  now called North Carolina.
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The opening statement asserts;
"More Americans trace their heritage back to German ancestry than any other nationality".
That statement is horse manure!!!
GOT IT?????????????????????????
« Last Edit: January 19, 2021, 06:36:32 pm by Absalom »

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Re: Who is really closest to the Nazis?
« Reply #31 on: January 18, 2021, 06:13:11 pm »
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The opening statement asserts;
"More Americans trace their heritage back to German ancestry than an other nationality".
That statement is horse manure!!!
GOT IT?????????????????????????

The American Community Survey (ACS) is a demographics survey program conducted by the U.S. Census Bureau. It regularly gathers information previously contained only in the long form of the decennial census, such as ancestry, citizenship, educational attainment, income, language proficiency, migration, disability, employment, and housing characteristics. These data are used by many public-sector, private-sector, and not-for-profit stakeholders to allocate funding, track shifting demographics, plan for emergencies, and learn about local communities. Sent to approximately 295,000 addresses monthly (or 3.5 million per year), it is the largest household survey that the Census Bureau administers.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Community_Survey


German-American - 13.9%
Irish Americans - 10.0%
English Americans - 7.4%
Italian Americans - 5.2%
Polish Americans - 3.0%

These numbers are self-declared and would not include persons such as myself who declare themselves to be American-Americans.
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Re: Who is really closest to the Nazis?
« Reply #32 on: January 18, 2021, 06:19:49 pm »
The American Community Survey (ACS) is a demographics survey program conducted by the U.S. Census Bureau. It regularly gathers information previously contained only in the long form of the decennial census, such as ancestry, citizenship, educational attainment, income, language proficiency, migration, disability, employment, and housing characteristics. These data are used by many public-sector, private-sector, and not-for-profit stakeholders to allocate funding, track shifting demographics, plan for emergencies, and learn about local communities. Sent to approximately 295,000 addresses monthly (or 3.5 million per year), it is the largest household survey that the Census Bureau administers.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Community_Survey


German-American - 13.9%
Irish Americans - 10.0%
English Americans - 7.4%
Italian Americans - 5.2%
Polish Americans - 3.0%

These numbers are self-declared and would not include persons such as myself who declare themselves to be American-Americans.

What might be interesting in that is distribution. No doubt, if one were to measure according to up in here, the population would be mostly Norwegian, with a strong showing of Scots/Irish... Now if you go over yonder to Bozeman, that's largely Dutch.

My point being that population does not equal distribution. A heavy population in the industrial north may not translate elsewhere.

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Re: Who is really closest to the Nazis?
« Reply #33 on: January 18, 2021, 06:54:20 pm »
The American Community Survey (ACS) is a demographics survey program conducted by the U.S. Census Bureau. It regularly gathers information previously contained only in the long form of the decennial census, such as ancestry, citizenship, educational attainment, income, language proficiency, migration, disability, employment, and housing characteristics. These data are used by many public-sector, private-sector, and not-for-profit stakeholders to allocate funding, track shifting demographics, plan for emergencies, and learn about local communities. Sent to approximately 295,000 addresses monthly (or 3.5 million per year), it is the largest household survey that the Census Bureau administers.
.  .  . 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Community_Survey


German-American - 13.9%
Irish Americans - 10.0%
English Americans - 7.4%
Italian Americans - 5.2%
Polish Americans - 3.0%

These numbers are self-declared and would not include persons such as myself who declare themselves to be American-Americans.
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Thank you for the numbers which I accept.
Russell Kirk's "American Order" affirmed our founding Anglo-Saxon Legacy.
The figures for England and Ireland aggregate 17.4% and make my core point!

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Re: Who is really closest to the Nazis?
« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2021, 11:40:32 pm »
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The opening statement asserts;
"More Americans trace their heritage back to German ancestry than an other nationality".
That statement is horse manure!!!
GOT IT?????????????????????????

@Absalom

Nope,without dates of the mass immigration's from various European countries to America,any data you use is meaningless.
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Re: Who is really closest to the Nazis?
« Reply #35 on: January 19, 2021, 03:45:51 am »

The Congress, by Public Law 100 - 104, has designated October 6, 1987, the 304th anniversary of the arrival  of the first German immigrants in Philadelphia, as " German-American Day" and has authorized and requested the President to issue a proclamation in observance of that day.

Now, Therefore, I, Ronald Reagan, President of the United States of America, do hereby proclaim Tuesday, j October 6, 1987, as German-American Day. I urge all Americans to learn more about the contributions of German immigrants to the life and culture of the United States and to observe this day with appropriate ceremonies and activities.

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Re: Who is really closest to the Nazis?
« Reply #36 on: January 19, 2021, 03:47:36 am »
I don't know,  what there is,  to argue about. All facts.
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October 2, 2011 GW Administrator NEWS 0

On October 2nd, 1987, President Ronald Reagan, in a ceremony in the Rose Garden of the White House signed the first proclamation into law which made October 6th, National German American Day. This day is celebrated every year and calls the attention of the American people to the many contributions German Americans have made to America in over 300 years in this country.

“Our citizens of German descent excel in every discipline and open our minds to the expanses of human possibility. When we drive across a suspension bridge, listen to music played on a Steinway piano or send a child to Kindergarten, their unique traditions and customs surround us. German Americans have influenced our Nation in myriad ways with their industry, culture, and engagement in public life. America is a stronger Nation because of those families who have established longstanding roots in our country, as well as by those who have recently emigrated from abroad. German immigrants, inhabiting every major city, have given much of themselves throughout our history, selflessly expanding the reach of the American Dream.”
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Re: Who is really closest to the Nazis?
« Reply #37 on: January 19, 2021, 02:12:43 pm »
The figures for England and Ireland aggregate 17.4% and make my core point!

Lumping English and Irish together?  Pretty risky.
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Re: Who is really closest to the Nazis?
« Reply #38 on: January 19, 2021, 06:35:44 pm »
Lumping English and Irish together?  Pretty risky.
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Which is why I used the broader label of Anglo-Saxon.

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« Reply #39 on: January 19, 2021, 07:07:26 pm »
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Which is why I used the broader label of Anglo-Saxon.

The Irish aren't Anglo-Saxon.
If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.

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Re: Who is really closest to the Nazis?
« Reply #40 on: January 19, 2021, 10:59:03 pm »
I am fond of point out that the Democrats have a concept of Lebens unwertesleben:  any child whose mother does not what it and who has not had the good fortune of being born yet.  In some quarters it seems to be broader than that -- it's Democrats who are the force behind attempts to legalize euthanasia and some Democrat governors were very eager for COVID-19 to spread in old age homes.
And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know what this was all about.

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« Reply #41 on: January 19, 2021, 11:09:51 pm »
And, regarding Goebbels:  he said that that pattern for the whole Nazi propaganda effort was Woodrow Wilson's Committee on Public Information.  There are also links between the Nazi notion of eugenics and the American "Progressive" eugenics movement that preceded it.
And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know what this was all about.

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« Reply #42 on: January 20, 2021, 02:23:04 am »
The Irish aren't Anglo-Saxon.
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Fair enough.
Yet the English and Irish shared many things, among them proximity, language and
religious faith, till Henry VIII.

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Re: Who is really closest to the Nazis?
« Reply #43 on: January 20, 2021, 03:22:22 am »
@LegalAmerican

Individuals,of German or any other ethnic origin are NOT savages.

It is their political systems that are the savages that capture the people under their control and order them around.

This means BY EXTENSION the "true believers" in the absolute right of ANY political system is a savage,but you get the idea.
Why is it we continue to demonize the German people to this day, but we speak not of the Japanese and their atrocities, but we speak not of the Russian atrocities, but we speak not of the Chinese atrocities or conintinue to demonize them? In no way I am excusing the heinous acts of some Germans but WTF? Oh golly I forgot about the Italians.Heinous immoral acts should be treated as such with all the perpetrators and yes I believe that the extermination or the attempt needs to be remebered for eternity.

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Re: Who is really closest to the Nazis?
« Reply #44 on: January 20, 2021, 05:37:54 am »
Why is it we continue to demonize the German people to this day, but we speak not of the Japanese and their atrocities, but we speak not of the Russian atrocities, but we speak not of the Chinese atrocities or conintinue to demonize them? In no way I am excusing the heinous acts of some Germans but WTF? Oh golly I forgot about the Italians.Heinous immoral acts should be treated as such with all the perpetrators and yes I believe that the extermination or the attempt needs to be remebered for eternity.
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Who is we?
The achievements of the Germans in Art (Beethoven, Haydn, Mozart) and Science
(Von Leibnitz/Calculus and Einstein/Relativity) rival those of Classical Greece!!!!!

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« Reply #45 on: January 20, 2021, 06:49:05 am »
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Who is we?
The achievements of the Germans in Art (Beethoven, Haydn, Mozart) and Science
(Von Leibnitz/Calculus and Einstein/Relativity) rival those of Classical Greece!!!!!

My question is, why do the Austrians get a pass?  It's like the old joke that Austria is still trying to convince the world that Beethoven was Austrian, and Hitler was German.

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« Reply #46 on: January 20, 2021, 07:28:27 am »
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The opening statement asserts;
"More Americans trace their heritage back to German ancestry than any other nationality".
That statement is horse manure!!!
GOT IT?????????????????????????

Many Poles, like my ancestors, were classified as "German" because Poland didn't exist when they left for America.

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Re: Who is really closest to the Nazis?
« Reply #47 on: January 20, 2021, 03:32:57 pm »
Why is it we continue to demonize the German people to this day  .  .  .

Who is demonizing the German people?  No one called them "savages".  The original point was that invading German forces committed savagery in the Soviet Union.  Not your typical Wermacht soldiers.  But special units such as the Waffen SS and the Einsatzgruppen under the command of Himmler and Heydrich.  Goebbels pushed the propaganda that the Russians were savages.  But in many cases, it was payback for savagery that had been implemented on them.

The Soviet front was absolute hell for both sides.  The chance for survival for any POW was extremely low.
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Re: Who is really closest to the Nazis?
« Reply #48 on: January 20, 2021, 03:39:27 pm »
My question is, why do the Austrians get a pass?

And why do the Czechs get ignored?  Prague is almost half the distance to Berlin as is Vienna.

If a political party does not have its foundation in the determination to advance a cause that is right and that is moral, then it is not a political party; it is merely a conspiracy to seize power.

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"The [U.S.] Constitution is a limitation on the government, not on private individuals ... it does not prescribe the conduct of private individuals, only the conduct of the government ... it is not a charter for government power, but a charter of the citizen's protection against the government."

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Re: Who is really closest to the Nazis?
« Reply #49 on: January 21, 2021, 02:17:24 am »
My question is, why do the Austrians get a pass?  It's like the old joke that Austria is still trying to convince the world that Beethoven was Austrian, and Hitler was German.
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Agree that Haydn and Mozart, while Austrian by geography, were Germanic in temperament.
In his Gallic Wars dispatches to Rome, Julius Caesar emphasized that his difficulty in controlling
the Germanic Tribes was because of their reach, which extended from modern Belgium, Holland
as well a much of Northern France into the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia as well as western Hungary.