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Please explain this to me about the election
« on: January 13, 2021, 10:31:34 pm »
I'll admit I'm not knowledgeable about the law, but some here are.In short: why did all of Trump's appeals get thrown out of every court?

They had all these affidavits,which aren't hard evidence, I'll admit. But what do you need to make a credible accusation? People on the ground saw the cheating going on. They had video in Ga. Poll watchers weren't allowed near the counting.Is it that the mail-in ballots cannot be traced as to whether they are legal or illegal? Did they submit this evidence or not?

They questioned the machines. Couldn't they be examined to see if they'd been fixed? Or is it that they can be "fixed" back and that there's no way to prove they had been adjusted to under-count Republican votes or over-count Democrats'?

This is a lot to answer. If anybody could explain even part of it, I'd greatly appreciate it.

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Re: Please explain this to me about the election
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2021, 11:00:12 pm »
Paging @HoustonSam for some unvarnished truth!
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Re: Please explain this to me about the election
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2021, 11:05:14 pm »
I'll take thoroughly corrupt courts for $2000 Alex!
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Re: Please explain this to me about the election
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2021, 12:58:47 am »
Paging @HoustonSam for some unvarnished truth!

I'm flattered and humbled @Cyber Liberty that you would consider me a source of unvarnished truth; others here are just as truthful as I.  And I see that @mikezpen has asked for input from someone who knows the law; I'm not a lawyer, just a man with an opinion.

My opinion mikezpen is that there is very good evidence for fraud and other sorts of malfeasance in the 2020 election, and that the courts are not all systematically corrupt and biased against Trump.  Almost everyone here will agree with the first proposition; the problem is how to also explain the second proposition.

My belief is that the American legal system has fallen captive to its own arcane language and distorted reasoning, such that it no longer delivers decisions that agree with the plain meaning and interpretation of words we can all read and understand.  The courts are not institutionally biased against Trump distinctly (no doubt *some* are *very* biased against him), they are institutionally biased against all of us who assert the right and capability to read and understand the Constitution for ourselves.

The first half of the linked article here makes the case very well : http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,424539.msg2354695.html#msg2354695

One of my own statements of the same idea is given here : http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,422570.msg2344183.html#msg2344183

I'll close by repeating one of the arguments I've made against the American Judiciary in hopes it will clarify my position : they would have us believe that the Constitution *does not* mean what it *does* say about arms, and that it *does* mean what it *does not* say about abortion.  This is gaslighting, pure and simple, and the day must come when we cast it off.



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Re: Please explain this to me about the election
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2021, 01:04:24 am »
Thanks, @HoustonSam!  I respect your "opinion" more than some peoples "facts."

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Re: Please explain this to me about the election
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2021, 01:07:57 am »
My opinion - a couple of things 1) the courts would not dare involve themselves in an election sans hard evidence, and the handful of key districts that swung the election refused the kinds of investigations which might have obtained that hard evidence, and 2) the SCOTUS refused to rule on the constitutionality of the clearly unconstitutional acts of certain local authorities which enabled what were previously considered illegal election practices.

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Re: Please explain this to me about the election
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2021, 03:14:21 pm »
There are multiple reasons not least of which is the prospect of severe backlash from the radical left. Ask the Parler CEO and owners how that works. The other major factor is that this is the biggest can of worms in US history and judges are lazy. Seems rediculous on it's face but believe me, it's true.
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Re: Please explain this to me about the election
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2021, 03:19:45 pm »
There are multiple reasons not least of which is the prospect of severe backlash from the radical left. Ask the Parler CEO and owners how that works. The other major factor is that this is the biggest can of worms in US history and judges are lazy. Seems rediculous on it's face but believe me, it's true.

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Re: Please explain this to me about the election
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2021, 03:21:40 pm »
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Re: Please explain this to me about the election
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2021, 03:23:48 pm »
There are multiple reasons not least of which is the prospect of severe backlash from the radical left. Ask the Parler CEO and owners how that works. The other major factor is that this is the biggest can of worms in US history and judges are lazy. Seems rediculous on it's face but believe me, it's true.
Edmund Burke was never more correct - the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. The left has intimidated us into inaction.

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Re: Please explain this to me about the election
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2021, 03:31:38 pm »
Edmund Burke was never more correct - the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. The left has intimidated us into inaction.

And we are just as lazy as judges if not more so.
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Re: Please explain this to me about the election
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2021, 09:33:31 pm »
I don't know.
Maybe if the various state legislatures (where election laws are written) took it upon themselves to go to court when the laws they have written were violated, maybe those cases may have been heard.
Just a thought.
I think that is where the courts are determining "standing".
You have to be from the state in which the laws were violated.

The Texas AG filed 12 different cases where he saw irregularities in the voting laws here in our state, and won all 12.
If the legislature didn't specifically call it out, it didn't happen here.

A few examples where the Texas law prevailed:

Texas law is one drop off location per county for ballots mailed out, and the Dems wanted multiple locations.
Harris county was going to mail out ballots to people who didn't request them, (virtually the whole county) and that was stopped.
No drive up voting with multiple people in one car, as that would be like having multiple people at a voting booth.
No temporarily structures for voting, like tents. It must be a permanent structure.

FYI, a San Antonio woman was arrested this week for voter fraud.

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Re: Please explain this to me about the election
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2021, 09:36:22 pm »
Where are my manners?
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Re: Please explain this to me about the election
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2021, 09:47:52 pm »
I don't know.
Maybe if the various state legislatures (where election laws are written) took it upon themselves to go to court when the laws they have written were violated, maybe those cases may have been heard.
Just a thought.
I think that is where the courts are determining "standing".
You have to be from the state in which the laws were violated.

The Texas AG filed 12 different cases where he saw irregularities in the voting laws here in our state, and won all 12.
If the legislature didn't specifically call it out, it didn't happen here.

A few examples where the Texas law prevailed:

Texas law is one drop off location per county for ballots mailed out, and the Dems wanted multiple locations.
Harris county was going to mail out ballots to people who didn't request them, (virtually the whole county) and that was stopped.
No drive up voting with multiple people in one car, as that would be like having multiple people at a voting booth.
No temporarily structures for voting, like tents. It must be a permanent structure.

FYI, a San Antonio woman was arrested this week for voter fraud.

You make a good point @GrouchoTex.  I think R state legislatures were asleep at the switch on some of this stuff as well, and have some serious blame for the mess in voting and vote counting procedures we saw.  But the question that most people seem to be asking is why the court cases that were actually filed were rejected.
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Re: Please explain this to me about the election
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2021, 10:12:09 pm »
You make a good point @GrouchoTex.  I think R state legislatures were asleep at the switch on some of this stuff as well, and have some serious blame for the mess in voting and vote counting procedures we saw.  But the question that most people seem to be asking is why the court cases that were actually filed were rejected.

I heard AG Paxton on the radio this week.
He said he was baffled that SCOTUS didn't even hear the case.
He said the Constitution says that the only avenue for states to sue other states was through SCOTUS.
Somehow, they determined Texas didn't have standing to sue Pennsylvania in this matter, which is why I surmised in my comment, that the lawsuits had to come from the states where the fraud was being committed.

Admittedly, I do not know.

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Re: Please explain this to me about the election
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2021, 10:17:48 pm »
I heard AG Paxton on the radio this week.
He said he was baffled that SCOTUS didn't even hear the case.
He said the Constitution says that the only avenue for states to sue other states was through SCOTUS.
Somehow, they determined Texas didn't have standing to sue Pennsylvania in this matter, which is why I surmised in my comment, that the lawsuits had to come from the states where the fraud was being committed.

Admittedly, I do not know.

I do!  They are completely compromised and the republic is now DEAD!

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Re: Please explain this to me about the election
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2021, 10:20:27 pm »
I'll take thoroughly corrupt courts for $2000 Alex!
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Re: Please explain this to me about the election
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2021, 10:23:37 pm »
There are multiple reasons not least of which is the prospect of severe backlash from the radical left. Ask the Parler CEO and owners how that works. The other major factor is that this is the biggest can of worms in US history and judges are lazy. Seems rediculous on it's face but believe me, it's true.

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Re: Please explain this to me about the election
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2021, 10:28:07 pm »
I do!  They are completely compromised and the republic is now DEAD!

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I'd say that is a good point, if the only avenue allowed for one state to sue another won't even bother to hear the case.

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Re: Please explain this to me about the election
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2021, 10:37:30 pm »
I'd say that is a good point, if the only avenue allowed for one state to sue another won't even bother to hear the case.

Justices Thomas and Alito were right as rain. They do not have the authority to refuse to hear such cases.  But there is no one who will do a damned thing about the malfeasance of ANY court so what does it matter?
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Re: Please explain this to me about the election
« Reply #20 on: January 16, 2021, 02:29:00 pm »
Justices Thomas and Alito were right as rain. They do not have the authority to refuse to hear such cases.  But there is no one who will do a damned thing about the malfeasance of ANY court so what does it matter?
Well, I anticipate Nancy will impeach both Alito and Thomas for supporting the issue of questioning election fraud.

She will also identify those House members who supported the Jan 6 gathering and remove them from being seated in the House.

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« Reply #21 on: January 16, 2021, 03:26:13 pm »
Well, I anticipate Nancy will impeach both Alito and Thomas for supporting the issue of questioning election fraud.

She will also identify those House members who supported the Jan 6 gathering and remove them from being seated in the House.

It is the way dictators operate.

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Re: Please explain this to me about the election
« Reply #22 on: January 17, 2021, 12:09:38 am »
Bigun wrote:
""We have just lost the republic John!"
Justice Clarance Thomas To Chief Justice John Roberts, December 11, 2020"


Remember the news story about the closed-door meeting of the Justices in which Roberts all-but shouted down the conservative Court members?

It was supposedly debunked by "the mainstream media", but I have no doubt that it either happened as reported, or happened in a manner very similar to what was [later] reported.

If Kavanaugh, Gorsuch and Barrett had had the gumption to stand up to Roberts and join Thomas and Alito, I'll bet we wouldn't be where we are today...

... on the edge of a socialist (and soon to be communist) America.