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Offline Avalon1

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In 2020, Vote Fraud Claims Were Not 'Baseless'
« on: January 09, 2021, 08:34:15 PM »
https://www.newsmax.com/michaeldorstewitz/vote-fraud-baseless-merit-scotus/2021/01/02/id/1003982/

Michael Dorstewitz - Newsmax

Each time a member of the big media reports on someone referring to acts of fraud or even irregularities in the Nov. 3 presidential election, they describe them as "baseless claims" or "unproven." Such words are included in almost every wire story since election day published by the Associated Press, Reuters, Bloomberg, and others. Actually, there are many examples of vote fraud that took place during the 2020 election, and serious evidence of voting irregularities relating to the mail-in ballots. In addition to outright claims of fraud, state and local officials in at least four states - Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Georgia - used the pandemic to make last-minute changes to their state voting laws. The U.S. Constitution provides only each state legislature may set the time, place, and manner of elections.

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Re: In 2020, Vote Fraud Claims Were Not 'Baseless'
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2021, 09:27:15 PM »
No they aren't. Clearly there was much fraud.

The most frustrating thing about this entire mess is the few republicans and other non-democrats claiming there was no fraud.

Even if there isn't as much as Trump and many of us believe, whats to be gained by denying it happened? Everyone knows rats cheat. If the past election fiasco can gin up momentum for election reform, voter ID, etc whats not to like?

Do they hate Trump so much they'll pass up an opportunity to make our system more fool proof by flat denying fraud happened?
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Re: In 2020, Vote Fraud Claims Were Not 'Baseless'
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2021, 09:46:43 PM »
I found this today:

https://hereistheevidence.com/

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Re: In 2020, Vote Fraud Claims Were Not 'Baseless'
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2021, 10:08:28 PM »
I found this today:

https://hereistheevidence.com/
Useful, thanks. Won’t make a bit of difference to the haters.

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Re: In 2020, Vote Fraud Claims Were Not 'Baseless'
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2021, 10:15:48 PM »
[quote author=Avalon1 link=topic=425094.msg2359255#msg2359255 date=1610242455.
Michael Dorstewitz - Newsmax
Each time a member of the big media reports on someone referring to acts of fraud or even irregularities in the Nov. 3 presidential election, they describe them as "baseless claims" or "unproven." Such words are included in almost every wire story since election day published by the Associated Press, Reuters, Bloomberg, and others. Actually, there are many examples of vote fraud that took place during the 2020 election, and serious evidence of voting irregularities relating to the mail-in ballots. In addition to outright claims of fraud, state and local officials in at least four states - Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Georgia - used the pandemic to make last-minute changes to their state voting laws. The U.S. Constitution provides only each state legislature may set the time, place, and manner of elections.
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The Disciples (Apostles) made claims on behalf of their Leader (Jesus Christ) that
appealed to the spiritual impulse of their followers; which did not require proof
in order to be accepted by believers in Roman Catholicism.
In absolute contrast, Politics, a totally secular matter, is emphatically NOT entitled
to the same level of acceptance and belief.
As such, political types making claims (voting fraud) does not make it so, as the
matter remains an assertion/opinion until proven beyond any reasonable doubt.
Be nice if Trump and his followers grasped this but sadly that would require a level
of maturity that is non-existent.

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Re: In 2020, Vote Fraud Claims Were Not 'Baseless'
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2021, 11:53:45 PM »
As such, political types making claims (voting fraud) does not make it so, as the
matter remains an assertion/opinion until proven beyond any reasonable doubt.
Be nice if Trump and his followers grasped this but sadly that would require a level
of maturity that is non-existent.

Proof beyond reasonable doubt.  Election workers and multiple counting of ballots.

https://rumble.com/vcaq4x-fulton-county-fraud-ballot-re-scanning-multiple-times.html

Now time for you to move the goal posts.
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Re: In 2020, Vote Fraud Claims Were Not 'Baseless'
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2021, 05:58:51 AM »
They successfully cheated in seven states.  Next up, 52 or more states.  All elections counted by Dominion, all ballots shredded after scanning.

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Re: In 2020, Vote Fraud Claims Were Not 'Baseless'
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2021, 06:40:51 AM »
[quote author=Avalon1 link=topic=425094.msg2359255#msg2359255 date=1610242455.
Michael Dorstewitz - Newsmax
Each time a member of the big media reports on someone referring to acts of fraud or even irregularities in the Nov. 3 presidential election, they describe them as "baseless claims" or "unproven." Such words are included in almost every wire story since election day published by the Associated Press, Reuters, Bloomberg, and others. Actually, there are many examples of vote fraud that took place during the 2020 election, and serious evidence of voting irregularities relating to the mail-in ballots. In addition to outright claims of fraud, state and local officials in at least four states - Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Georgia - used the pandemic to make last-minute changes to their state voting laws. The U.S. Constitution provides only each state legislature may set the time, place, and manner of elections.

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The Disciples (Apostles) made claims on behalf of their Leader (Jesus Christ) that
appealed to the spiritual impulse of their followers; which did not require proof
in order to be accepted by believers in Roman Catholicism.
In absolute contrast, Politics, a totally secular matter, is emphatically NOT entitled
to the same level of acceptance and belief.
As such, political types making claims (voting fraud) does not make it so, as the
matter remains an assertion/opinion until proven beyond any reasonable doubt.
Be nice if Trump and his followers grasped this but sadly that would require a level
of maturity that is non-existent.

@Absalom

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Re: In 2020, Vote Fraud Claims Were Not 'Baseless'
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2021, 07:46:16 AM »
@Absalom

Have I recently reminded you to stop calling Briefers "cultists" or a "religion" (or "stupid")? Consider this a warning.

@Cyber Liberty

Is it OK to call him 'Liar' the next time he posts some BS about there not being any proof of fraud?   Asking for a friend.
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Re: In 2020, Vote Fraud Claims Were Not 'Baseless'
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2021, 10:35:58 AM »
@Cyber Liberty

Is it OK to call him 'Liar' the next time he posts some BS about there not being any proof of fraud?   Asking for a friend.

That's a bit of a poser for me...I've done that some myself.  I think it's better to say, "You lied!" than to say "You are a liar!"  The difference is a subtle one.
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Re: In 2020, Vote Fraud Claims Were Not 'Baseless'
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2021, 12:42:39 PM »
@Absalom
Have I recently reminded you to stop calling Briefers "cultists" or a "religion" (or "stupid")? Consider this a warning.
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Cyber, respectfully;
Regardless of the extent of my disagreements w/the opinions of Breriefers,
I have never labeled Briefers cultists or stupid, nor the site religious; NEVER!

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Re: In 2020, Vote Fraud Claims Were Not 'Baseless'
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2021, 12:58:11 PM »
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Cyber, respectfully;
Regardless of the extent of my disagreements w/the opinions of Breriefers,
I have never labeled Briefers cultists or stupid, nor the site religious; NEVER!

Thanks for the response.  You might not believe it, but I consider you an important contributor....

I think we get sideways more often than we should.
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Re: In 2020, Vote Fraud Claims Were Not 'Baseless'
« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2021, 02:01:49 PM »
Proof beyond reasonable doubt.  Election workers and multiple counting of ballots.
https://rumble.com/vcaq4x-fulton-county-fraud-ballot-re-scanning-multiple-times.html
Now time for you to move the goal posts.
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Hoodat, hopefully you will grasp the following.
My cousin is a Director of Civil Audits at the 6th Federal Appellate Court and we converse often.
Regarding voter fraud, he stated that those making this charge, must make their case step
by step while the asserted actions are connected by the logic of time. Additionally, intent must be proven as human error does not qualify; otherwise the entire matter is meritless.
Election worker talk is hearsay while ballot counting is gossip and re-scanning is rumor; unless proven by facts while under oath!!!
Not a solitary voter fraud allegation has been heard under oath and verified!!!!!!!!

 
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Re: In 2020, Vote Fraud Claims Were Not 'Baseless'
« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2021, 02:46:44 PM »
Do you prefer this new location for the goal posts?
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Re: In 2020, Vote Fraud Claims Were Not 'Baseless'
« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2021, 03:07:20 PM »
Right Side Broadcasting Network - Nov 25, 2020

Gregory Stenstrom, a Navy veteran and data scientist from Delaware​ County, testified that he observed a "forensically destructive" process on election night that should call into question anywhere from 100,000 to 120,000 votes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VW3I7eFQbbo&feature=emb_title
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Re: In 2020, Vote Fraud Claims Were Not 'Baseless'
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2021, 05:56:38 PM »
Right Side Broadcasting Network - Nov 25, 2020
Gregory Stenstrom, a Navy veteran and data scientist from Delaware​ County, testified that he observed a "forensically destructive" process on election night that should call into question anywhere from 100,000 to 120,000 votes.
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1) Who, both defined and measured the impact of "forensically destructive" while under oath?????
2) Who corroborated Stenstrom's figures?????
Many will complain that I'm being an unreasonable; perhaps......... yet an observation!
Go into Court w/o hard evidence to back up your assertions and you'll be instantly shown
the door as were Trump's Stooges, Giuliani, Powell and Wood, every single time!!!
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Re: In 2020, Vote Fraud Claims Were Not 'Baseless'
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2021, 06:00:58 PM »
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1) Who, both defined and measured the impact of "forensically destructive" while under oath?????
2) Who corroborated Stenstrom's figures?????
Many will complain that I'm being an unreasonable; perhaps......... yet an observation!
Go into Court w/o hard evidence to back up your assertions and you'll be instantly shown
the door as were Trump's Stooges, Giuliani & Powell, every single time!!!
You mean the kind of hard evidence derived from a complete forensic examination?

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Re: In 2020, Vote Fraud Claims Were Not 'Baseless'
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2021, 06:11:05 PM »
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1) Who, both defined and measured the impact of "forensically destructive" while under oath?????
2) Who corroborated Stenstrom's figures?????
Many will complain that I'm being an unreasonable; perhaps......... yet an observation!
Go into Court w/o hard evidence to back up your assertions and you'll be instantly shown
the door as were Trump's Stooges, Giuliani, Powell and Wood, every single time!!!

I do have to agree with you; Giuliani and Powell did Trump no favors.  Giuliani is NOT Trump's friend or ally in any way.  I'm not familiar with Wood, so I can't comment.

On the other hand, Cruz was willing to argue and judges/court wouldn't hear the case.  Cruz is by far a stooge/clown.
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Re: In 2020, Vote Fraud Claims Were Not 'Baseless'
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2021, 06:14:14 PM »
You mean the kind of hard evidence derived from a complete forensic examination?
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I'm talking about structuring a case, reinforced by facts and
figures, that prevents the defense from making a fool of the plaintiff.
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Re: In 2020, Vote Fraud Claims Were Not 'Baseless'
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2021, 06:17:00 PM »
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I'm talking about structuring a case, reinforced by facts and
figures, that prevents the defense from making fool of the plaintiff.
"Hard evidence" cannot be offered unless there is an opportunity to collect it.

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Re: In 2020, Vote Fraud Claims Were Not 'Baseless'
« Reply #20 on: January 10, 2021, 06:22:50 PM »
Many whose duty was to investigate fraud shirked their duty and refused to even view it.  The worst American election fraud committed, recorded on Cameras, testified by many, some by even the perps, and no fraud?  C'mon, what is this a Mega stupid check?

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Re: In 2020, Vote Fraud Claims Were Not 'Baseless'
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2021, 06:24:15 PM »
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I'm talking about structuring a case, reinforced by facts and
figures, that prevents the defense from making fool of the plaintiff.

Earlier, you were talking about reasonable proof, which we already have.
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Re: In 2020, Vote Fraud Claims Were Not 'Baseless'
« Reply #22 on: January 10, 2021, 11:00:13 PM »
Earlier, you were talking about reasonable proof, which we already have.
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Your comment....."about reasonable proof, which we already have"
is an opinion and certainly NOT a statement of fact!

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Re: In 2020, Vote Fraud Claims Were Not 'Baseless'
« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2021, 11:38:35 PM »
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Your comment....."about reasonable proof, which we already have"
is an opinion and certainly NOT a statement of fact!

In your addled biased mind you wouldn't  know a fact if it hit you across the forehead like a 2 X 4.

Electoral fraud has been brought up and documented for months here voluminously.   I don't care for Trump, but at least I keep an open mind, and can connect dots, and understand the plausibilty and likelyhood of the theft.   

Unlike your Lincoln Project like hatred of Trump, which has blinded you.
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Re: In 2020, Vote Fraud Claims Were Not 'Baseless'
« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2021, 01:28:49 PM »
The extreme hatred of Trump, which has blinded you.  This is exactly why the push the hatred of Trump to  fanaticism dupe and fools, and they spread the hatred to other areas of socialist/commie interests.  They are doing their best to treat Trump and non-socialist like Jews of Germany last Century.  They are striving for the same results this time too.
 Socialist strongly believe errors of history can be repeated and they seek just such achievements.


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