Has President Trump Done Fatal Damage to any Further Efforts to Win a Second Term by Recorded Call W

[mystery-ak]

Has President Trump Done Fatal Damage to any Further Efforts to Win a Second Term by Recorded Call With Georgia Sec. of State?
By Shipwreckedcrew | Jan 03, 2021 5:30 PM ET


There is a breaking story today about a tape-recorded call which is said to have taken place yesterday between President Trump and the Georgia Secretary of State, Brad Raffensperger.

This is an interesting story in light of the article I published earlier today about the valid election challenge that remains pending in Georgia, with signs that it is being purposely stalled until such time as the outcome of the case can have no impact on either the election or public perception of the events playing out right now.

The tape was obtained by the Washington Post, but several media outlets are reporting on the contents today.

But the context of the conversation, and Pres. Trump’s comments seem to be mischaracterized to some degree.  Most of the “usual suspects” in the media are treating the President’s comments as if he were demanding that Raffensperger fabricate inaccurate election results, referencing Trump’s suggestion that Georgia simply “recalculate” the outcome such that the numbers come out in his favor.  But, in the same comment, it is reported that Pres. Trump again claimed that there is no possible way he lost the vote in Georgia and his claim that he won the state by “hundreds of thousands” of votes.

It is also noted that the call involved other participants.  White House chief of staff Mark Meadows and Cleta Mitchell, a Republican lawyer, were also on the call.  I have not seen any clear statement yet that Pres. Trump participated during the entire length of the call, said to have been an hour.  I have a suspicion that he did not.

I don’t have a subscription to WaPo as a matter of principle, so I can’t read exactly what they report.  But here are some excerpts as reported by other media outlets:

    “The people of Georgia are angry, the people in the country are angry,” Trump said. “And there’s nothing wrong with saying, you know, um, that you’ve recalculated.”

    Raffensperger, a Republican who has become a bête noire among Trump supporters for repeatedly saying Biden’s win in his state was fair, said: “Well, Mr President, the challenge that you have is, the data you have is wrong.”

    Trump said: “So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. Because we won the state.”

    He also insisted: “There’s no way I lost Georgia. There’s no way. We won by hundreds of thousands of votes.”

    Referring to Senate runoffs on Tuesday that will decide control of that chamber, Trump said Georgia had “a big election coming up and because of what you’ve done to the president – you know, the people of Georgia know that this was a scam.

    “Because of what you’ve done to the president, a lot of people aren’t going out to vote, and a lot of Republicans are going to vote negative, because they hate what you did to the president. OK? They hate it. And they’re going to vote. And you would be respected, really respected, if this can be straightened out before the election.”

    Trump told Raffensperger: “Stacey Abrams is laughing about you. She’s going around saying, ‘These guys are dumber than a rock.’ What she’s done to this party is unbelievable, I tell you.”

    Trump also said he knew the call wasn’t “going anywhere”. Raffensperger ended the conversation.

    On Twitter on Sunday, Trump said Raffensperger “was unwilling, or unable, to answer questions such as the ‘ballots under table’ scam, ballot destruction, out of state ‘voters’, dead voters, and more. He has no clue!”

    Raffensperger also responded: “Respectfully, President Trump: What you’re saying is not true.”

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https://redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2021/01/03/has-president-trump-done-fatal-damage-to-any-further-efforts-to-win-a-second-term-in-recorded-call-with-georgia-sec-of-state-n303670

[mystery-ak]

Raffensperger also responded: “Respectfully, President Trump: What you’re saying is not true.”

So nice and polite, ofcourse he was taping the phone conversation..

btw..why is it always two steps forward and five steps back with Trump..

[catfish1957]

So nice and polite, ofcourse he was taping the phone conversation..

btw..why is it always two steps forward and five steps back with Trump..

Agree Myst.  I think we are 90% agreement at TBR of the outcomes of "The Steal", but asking a state elected offical (SOS) for a specific amount of votes overturned for a result reversal, has terrible optics.   Sometimes Trump is own worst enemy with his mouth/Tweets, when he is frustrated.

As far as 2024, maybe we can find a firebrand like him, without the gaffes.

[skeeter]

Agree Myst.  I think we are 90% agreement at TBR of the outcomes of "The Steal", but asking a state elected offical (SOS) for a specific amount of votes overturned for a result reversal, has terrible optics.   Sometimes Trump is own worst enemy with his mouth/Tweets, when he is frustrated.

As far as 2024, maybe we can find a firebrand like him, without the gaffes.

Agree with this. I know what he meant, but he sometimes gives the enemy a knife to stab him with.

[catfish1957]

Agree with this. I know what he meant, but he sometimes gives the enemy a knife to stab him with.

I think this development will also have his allies in congress rethinking their support for challenging  the election too.  And that is too bad.

[mystery-ak]

I think this development will also have his allies in congress rethinking their support for challenging  the election too.  And that is too bad.

Yes, that is exactly what I think...

[skeeter]

I think this development will also have his allies in congress rethinking their support for challenging  the election too.  And that is too bad.

Maybe. But having said that I'd like to hear the entire conversation. Trump's opposition has proven itself over and over to be less than honest and I don't trust them to release anything that might not lead to the conclusions they want us to have.

[catfish1957]

Maybe. But having said that I'd like to hear the entire conversation. Trump's opposition has proven itself over and over to be less than honest and I don't trust them to release anything that might not lead to the conclusions they want us to have.

Fully agree.  Any conservative trusting WaPo is crazy.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Not at all because his chances were less than 1% to begin with.

[mystery-ak]

Maybe. But having said that I'd like to hear the entire conversation. Trump's opposition has proven itself over and over to be less than honest and I don't trust them to release anything that might not lead to the conclusions they want us to have.

I have no way of knowing if this tape has been edited.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/audio-trump-berates-ga-secretary-of-state-urges-him-to-find-votes/2021/01/03/aba64f5f-8c3c-490f-af34-618ccea732d7_video.html

[libertybele]

I have no way of knowing if this tape has been edited.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/audio-trump-berates-ga-secretary-of-state-urges-him-to-find-votes/2021/01/03/aba64f5f-8c3c-490f-af34-618ccea732d7_video.html

In the midst of all the fraud, corruption and fake news over the past several years and the blatant election fraud that took place, I find it difficult to trust any news source in their reporting; especially concerning Trump.

[skeeter]

I have no way of knowing if this tape has been edited.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/audio-trump-berates-ga-secretary-of-state-urges-him-to-find-votes/2021/01/03/aba64f5f-8c3c-490f-af34-618ccea732d7_video.html

Thank you. I listened to it. And even though it was obviously excerpted, I didn't hear anything as dramatically wrong as these headlines led me to believe.

[Absalom]

Trump did fatal damage to any second term, his first day in Office!!!
In this conversation he brazenly solicits the Ga, Sec of State to 'find him"12,000 votes.
Can't wait to hear the excuses his posse concocts about this.

[catfish1957]

Trump did fatal damage to any second term, his first day in Office!!!
In this conversation he brazenly solicits the Ga, Sec of State to 'find him"12,000 votes.
Can't wait to hear the excuses his posse concocts about this.

You just can't control your joy in his demise can you? Why don't you go play with your Lincoln Project playmates instead?  Your love of RINOs is disgusting.

[libertybele]

Trump did fatal damage to any second term, his first day in Office!!!
In this conversation he brazenly solicits the Ga, Sec of State to 'find him"12,000 votes.
Can't wait to hear the excuses his posse concocts about this.

Wrong.  The GOPe and the DEMS did fatal damage to Trump's second term ... does fake Russian collusion, a bogus impeachment  COVID inflicted on this country and a rigged election ring a bell?

[skeeter]

You just can't control your joy in his demise can you? Why don't you go play with your Lincoln Project playmates instead?  Your love of RINOs is disgusting.

Ineffectual politicians posing to the base as something they're quite obviously not must turn him on.

[mystery-ak]

David Shafer
@DavidShafer
Proud father, happy husband, former state senator and now Chairman of the Georgia Republican Party. Please also follow @GaRepublicans
and @TeamDavidShafer
.

David Shafer
@DavidShafer
President @realDonaldTrump
 has filed two lawsuits - federal and state - against @GaSecofState
. The telephone conference call @GaSecofState
 secretly recorded was a “confidential settlement discussion” of that litigation, which is still pending.
5:01 PM · Jan 3, 2021·Twitter for iPhone

David Shafer
@DavidShafer
·
1h
Replying to
@DavidShafer
The audio published by @TheWashingtonPost is heavily edited and omits the stipulation that all discussions were for the purpose of settling litigation and confidential under federal and state law.

[mystery-ak]

unedited interview

https://thedonald.win/p/11ROGtZ69K/trumps-full-jan-2-call-with-ga-s/c/

[skeeter]

David Shafer
@DavidShafer
Proud father, happy husband, former state senator and now Chairman of the Georgia Republican Party. Please also follow @GaRepublicans
and @TeamDavidShafer
.

Doh!

Add another charge to Raffensperger's growing collection.

The Anti-Trumper's hatred of the man will be the death of them yet.

[cato potatoe]

Trump did fatal damage to any second term, his first day in Office!!!
In this conversation he brazenly solicits the Ga, Sec of State to 'find him"12,000 votes.
Can't wait to hear the excuses his posse concocts about this.

His rambling was painful to listen to, but GA SOS was not interested in addressing any of the claims.  Totally disinterested.  Raffensperger needs to hold a press conference and address each of the popular internet rumors.  He is hiding behind the courts, and none of it inspires confidence.

[Smokin Joe]

Maybe. But having said that I'd like to hear the entire conversation. Trump's opposition has proven itself over and over to be less than honest and I don't trust them to release anything that might not lead to the conclusions they want us to have.

Precisely. I am reminded of Katie Couric interviewing Sarah Palin, and cutting all the good responses out for the show.

[Absalom]

You just can't control your joy in his demise can you? Why don't you go play with your Lincoln Project playmates instead?  Your love of RINOs is disgusting.

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For the record, not that it will make any difference to your opinions:
* I'm not nor have ever been, either rhino or republican; in fact as
far as I'm concerned, politics is an obsession of infantile neurotics.
* Trump in no more someone of Principle than Mussolini, his kindred
spirit. He is nothing more than another of history's frauds and hustlers;
obsessed w/power while craving attention 24/7/365.

[Smokin Joe]

------------------------
For the record, not that it will make any difference to your opinions:
* I'm not nor have ever been, either rhino or republican; in fact as
far as I'm concerned, politics is an obsession of infantile neurotics.
* Trump in no more someone of Principle than Mussolini, his kindred
spirit. He is nothing more than another of history's frauds and hustlers;
obsessed w/power while craving attention 24//7/365.

Yet here you are...

[Right_in_Virginia]

Trump's Call With Georgia State Secretary Brad Raffensperger Actually Reveals A President Deep Into Detail, With Establishment Republicans Dismissive, Unwilling, And Rejecting Transparency
National Pulse, Jan 3, 2021, Raheem Kassam

“I don’t know about that… I don’t have it in front of me… we’re looking into that…”

These weren’t the vague, non-committal words of the President of the United States on the phone call leaked by the Washington Post newspaper – which has recently taken millions of dollars from the Chinese Communist Party – this Sunday. They were the statements of the establishment Republicans on the call: Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, Ryan Germany, and Deputy Secretary of State Jordan Fuchs on the January 2nd call.

Despite the partisan framing from the Washington Post – that the call somehow reflected Trump making demands for votes from his Republican colleagues – the President actually does no such thing. Throughout the call, the President makes clear that his calls are for election transparency, full and transparent audits, and public access. At no point does the President imply he wants votes invented or confected, as the establishment media is portraying. He even offers to recuse himself from parts of the conversation and ends by asking for “the truth… it’s just that simple.”

You can read the entire transcript and listen to the entire call below this article.

In fact the President begins the call by ripping through specifics that are never addressed by their opponents on the call: the establishment Republicans. Trump states:

•“We have at least 2 or 3 — anywhere from 250 to 300,000 ballots were dropped mysteriously into the rolls. Much of that had to do with Fulton County, which hasn’t been checked. We think that if you check the signatures — a real check of the signatures going back in Fulton County — you’ll find at least a couple of hundred thousand of forged signatures of people who have been forged.”

•He continues: “We had, I believe it’s about 4,502 voters who voted but who weren’t on the voter registration list, so it’s 4,502 who voted, but they weren’t on the voter registration roll, which they had to be. You had 18,325 vacant address voters. The address was vacant, and they’re not allowed to be counted. That’s 18,325.”

•And the President went on: “You had out-of-state voters. They voted in Georgia, but they were from out of state, of 4,925. You had absentee ballots sent to vacant, they were absentee ballots sent to vacant addresses. They had nothing on them about addresses, that’s 2,326.”

The level of granularity was actually remarkable, especially for a President that the media continues to allege is not concerned with details.

And the pushback from Raffensberger’s team wasn’t even particularly punchy, which is presumably why they leaked the call instead of pressing ahead with the details discussed and requested. There are several key points in the call that reflect the bad faith of Georgia’s Republican establishment leaders:

1. Fulton County

The President and his team repeatedly raise alleged violations in Fulton County, specifically charging Raffensberger and team with pivoting to Cobb County without addressing the more densely populated Fulton.

President Trump says here: “You sent us into Cobb County, which we didn’t want to go into. And you said it would be open to the public. So we had our experts there, they weren’t allowed into the room. But we didn’t want Cobb County. We wanted Fulton County. And you wouldn’t give it to us. Now, why aren’t we doing signature — and why can’t it be open to the public?”

In response, lawyer Ryan Germany simply replies: “We chose Cobb County because that was the only county where there’s been any evidence submitted that the signature verification was not properly done.”

Not just an admission of wrongdoing in the state, but also an admission of selectively apply rigorous standards and refusing to allow the President’s team into the most populated county in the state.

2. The ‘Consent Decree’

This has to do with the agreement signed by Republicans and Democrats in advance of the election, and why President Trump said far-left Georgia activist Stacey Abrams had “outplayed” Republicans by getting them to sign an unconstitutional agreement. The agreement itself is a word salad (read it for yourself) about what constitutes signature matching on ballots. If no side intended to defraud the election, one might argue no such “agreement” would have been required.

Instead of addressing this directly, Raffensberger and Germany set out to nitpick over the term “consent decree” which has been used repeatedly across national, state, and local media to describe the agreement. Even lawyers in opposition to Trump have used the term.

Raffensberger simply states, during the whole exchange: “It’s a settlement agreement.” His colleague Ryan Germany skirts the crux of the matter, too: “I don’t. I don’t. I don’t believe [it’s a consent decree], but I don’t have it in front of me.”

3. GA Lawyers Refusing Further Transparency.

Toward the end of the call Chief of Staff Mark Meadows is heard to say: “It sounds like we’ve got two different sides agreeing that we can look at those areas, and I assume that we can do that within the next 24 to 48 hours, to go ahead and get that reconciled so that we can look at the two claims and making sure that we get the access to the secretary of state’s data to either validate or invalidate the claims that have been made. Is that correct?”

Germany quips back immediately: “No, that’s not what I said,” and attempts to shut down the idea of further enquiries into the Georgia vote totals.

When a lawyer for the President, Kurt Hilbert, suggests, “the secretary of state could deputize the lawyers for the president so that we could access that information and private information without you having any kind of violation?” the President rightly excuses himself from knowing more, stating: “I don’t want to know who it is. You guys can do it very confidentially. You can sign a confidentiality agreement. That’s okay. I don’t need to know names.”

4. Ruby Freeman.

Not a fault of the Raffensberger team, perhaps, but the Washington Post audio originally left in references to Georgia voter counter and left-wing activist Ruby Freeman and her daughter Shaye Moss. While The National Pulse makes no claims of the pair, it is bemusing that the Washington Post would redact the names, especially given how well known they have become on the internet.

The names were redacted a total of 18 times by the Washington Post.

5. ‘We Just Want The Truth.’

At the end of the call President Trump remarks, repeatedly: “we just want the truth.”

Far from being a “pressure”-filled call as the Washington Post reports it, the President went out of his way over 62 mins to go through details, obstruction, and continuously be sure that he was looking for accuracy, transparency, and public access.

Attorney Cleta Mitchell probably states it best during the call where she says: “…you can keep telling us and making public statement that you investigated this and nothing to see here. But we don’t know about that. All we know is what you tell us. What I don’t understand is why wouldn’t it be in everyone’s best interest to try to get to the bottom, compare the numbers, you know, if you say, because… to try to be able to get to the truth because we don’t have any way of confirming what you’re telling us. You tell us that you had an investigation at the State Farm Arena. I don’t have any report. I’ve never seen a report of investigation. I don’t know that is. I’ve been pretty involved in this, and I don’t know. And that’s just one of 25 categories.”

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For Democrats like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to be calling for another impeachment effort over this call is both predictable and disgusting. The likelihood is “AOC” hadn’t even heard the call before responding to media requests for comment.

But that’s where politics and media is today – in a consistent frenzy to diminish constitutional norms while pointing the fingers in the other direction.

Anyone who actually listens to the call will hear President Trump being detailed and forthright. Understandably frustrated, Trump of course employs some of his characteristic New York businessman bluster. But more importantly: he speaks in a manner of someone who wants openness and transparency. And the other side simply does not.

That tells us all we need to know.

Read the Transcript:

More:  https://thenationalpulse.com/analysis/trump-call-actually-reveals-detail/

[Right_in_Virginia]

POTUS has been giving the updates for months .... only difference is his updates don't get much play in the press because the press can't edit them to fit their narrative.  For instance:


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP0ixjE7JIU