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Will you take the Covid19 shot?

Yes, It's for the sake of Humanity
7 (12.5%)
Yes, MY Employer/Significant Other/Governor WILL Require it
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No, not if If I can help it
13 (23.2%)
NOT NO, BUT HELL NO
23 (41.1%)
Only if my pot dealer requires me to do so
10 (17.9%)

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Re: Will you take the Covid19 shot?
« Reply #75 on: January 15, 2021, 02:36:36 pm »
@thackney

Thank you for the explanation. I had no idea this was possible.


Messenger ribonucleic acid (mRNA) vaccines are a novel technology that stimulates the body’s own immune response. These vaccines contain information from messenger RNA, including the “blueprint” or code of a specific virus trait (virus antigen). The information enables the body to produce this antigen on its own: mRNA transfers the information for the production of the antigen to our cell machinery that makes proteins. Cells in our body then present the antigen on their surface and thus trigger the desired specific immune response. When the body comes into contact with the virus, the immune system recognizes the specific antigen and can fight the virus and thus the infection quickly and in a targeted manner.

With COVID-19, the entry of the coronavirus into the host cell in humans is intervened by the coronavirus spike protein that is located on the surface of the virus. mRNA vaccines against COVID-19 are designed to provide our bodies with the code to produce the non-infectious virus spike protein to instruct the cell’s machinery to help stimulate a natural immune response. This response is achieved primarily through T-cells and neutralizing of the antibody production, which aim to prevent SARS-CoV-2 infection (and its associated disease, COVID-19). If a vaccinated person later comes into contact with SARS-CoV-2, the immune system will recognize the surface structure and will be able to combat the virus and eliminate it. Neutralizing antibodies targeted at SARS-CoV-2 are circulating in your body and will immediately bind to the virus, “neutralize” it and prevent it from entering the cell, thus protecting you from getting sick. T cells help the immune system to fight intracellular infections and can also kill the infected cells directly.

https://biontech.de/covid-19-portal/mrna-vaccines

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For a more in-depth explanation of this:

New coronavirus variant: what is the spike protein and why are mutations on it important?
https://theconversation.com/new-coronavirus-variant-what-is-the-spike-protein-and-why-are-mutations-on-it-important-152463
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Re: Will you take the Covid19 shot?
« Reply #76 on: January 15, 2021, 02:46:54 pm »
I survived the rona virus, so no to the vaccine. However, I have a feeling that the power-hungry bureaucrats are going to force me to take it if I ever want to take a plane ride again.
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Re: Will you take the Covid19 shot?
« Reply #77 on: January 15, 2021, 07:01:14 pm »
I survived the rona virus, so no to the vaccine. However, I have a feeling that the power-hungry bureaucrats are going to force me to take it if I ever want to take a plane ride again.
At the very least. Who knows how many places will deny admittance without a vax certificate?
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« Reply #78 on: January 15, 2021, 07:09:12 pm »
At the very least. Who knows how many places will deny admittance without a vax certificate?

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Re: Will you take the Covid19 shot?
« Reply #79 on: January 15, 2021, 07:44:02 pm »
I intend to take the vacine



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Re: Will you take the Covid19 shot?
« Reply #80 on: January 15, 2021, 07:52:53 pm »
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Re: Will you take the Covid19 shot?
« Reply #81 on: January 15, 2021, 08:14:37 pm »
   What say you, Briefers?

I will get it. I think it's as safe as any vaccine, and I think that herd immunity is the only way to get rid of this virus. Otherwise they will keep things locked down until society collapses.

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« Reply #82 on: January 15, 2021, 08:25:21 pm »
I will get it. I think it's as safe as any vaccine, and I think that herd immunity is the only way to get rid of this virus. Otherwise they will keep things locked down until society collapses.

BTW:

Big Tech Coalition Is Developing a Digital COVID Vaccination Passport

https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2021/01/15/big-tech-coalition-is-developing-a-digital-covid-vaccination-passport/

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Re: Will you take the Covid19 shot?
« Reply #83 on: January 15, 2021, 08:33:39 pm »
I will get it. I think it's as safe as any vaccine, and I think that herd immunity is the only way to get rid of this virus. Otherwise they will keep things locked down until society collapses.

Considering the roughly 98.08% recovery rate, that can be the only and apparent motive.

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« Reply #84 on: January 15, 2021, 09:00:18 pm »
Considering the roughly 98.08% recovery rate, that can be the only and apparent motive.

Yes, so there is some data coming out now that immunity lasts around 5 months. So for the virus to go away, we need a ~1 month window where we have herd immunity. There are no definitive conclusions on the threshold necessary to hit herd immunity for COVID-19, but estimates are in the 60-70% range. It's unlikely we will ever achieve that with natural infections, especially when you consider immunity only lasts about 5 months (latest data, but not conclusively proven yet). It may be more now that this uber-contagious UK variant is out there. The vaccine is the surest way to hit that threshold.

TBH, I'm not sure why all the scare-mongering over these vaccines. The method of action of the vaccine is new, but it's likely to be THE method for creating all new vaccines in the future. It is a very efficient way to create new vaccines. Once the virus make-up is known, they can engineer a vaccine in a matter of days, and immediately go into the process to validate safety and efficacy. These new mRNA vaccines do not modify your DNA or do anything nefarious. They just leverage mechanisms in your cells to produce the proteins that trigger the immune response. The vaccine does not self-propagate, i.e. once the messenger RNA in the vaccine dose is used up, your body stops making the proteins and its done.

Most of you here had measles, small-pox, dip-tet, shingles vaccines, etc., and didn't give it a second thought. Why all the concern over this one?

Also, regarding that 98.08%, or whatever it is, you need to consider that even though you recover, there's a significant chance you will have long lasting health impacts including reduced lung capacity. I personally don't want to be huffing and puffing every time I walk up a hill.
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Re: Will you take the Covid19 shot?
« Reply #85 on: January 15, 2021, 09:11:18 pm »
Most of you here had measles, small-pox, dip-tet, shingles vaccines, etc., and didn't give it a second thought. Why all the concern over this one?

I am anti-vax for two reasons... First and foremost, I have very little trust in Western medicine. For taking things off and bolting things on, they're the best. But being one who is in a long term undefined illness, I can tell you with great certainty that Western medicine is designed toward maintenance rather than healing - Because it is in the maintenance where profit lies.

Secondly, for religious aspects that I will not easily cross - I am a Torah keeper, and while I freely admit my ineptness in that, kosher prevents me from putting things in my body that are unfamiliar to me, and certainly that which Yah does not permit.

There are reasons why he said to stay away from sorcerers that mutter in ancient tongues. That they have traded in the long robe and pointy hat for a white frock coat does not make much difference to me.

Without a doubt I have had far more recovery and healing from alternatives than I ever did with Western medicine. I will keep going as I am.

And had I a decision in the process, I would not have taken the vaccines I have, all of which was involuntary with the exception of tetanus - which I have also not received for nigh on 20 years now.

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Re: Will you take the Covid19 shot?
« Reply #86 on: January 15, 2021, 09:17:17 pm »
@libertasbella

This vaccine is not a weakened or dead virus.  It is a messenger RNA that prevents the virus from taking hold.  Both US vaccines work this way focusing on the spike protein that allows the virus into the cells.  Blocking that, stops the ability to infect.
 
It is not like the flu vaccine.  It does not require a culture to grow a vaccine, harvest, weaken and process.  This is also the reason it is produced so much faster.

So, have you taken the Covid-19 vaccine yet?   
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« Reply #87 on: January 15, 2021, 09:23:18 pm »
I am anti-vax for two reasons... First and foremost, I have very little trust in Western medicine. For taking things off and bolting things on, they're the best. But being one who is in a long term undefined illness, I can tell you with great certainty that Western medicine is designed toward maintenance rather than healing - Because it is in the maintenance where profit lies.

Secondly, for religious aspects that I will not easily cross - I am a Torah keeper, and while I freely admit my ineptness in that, kosher prevents me from putting things in my body that are unfamiliar to me, and certainly that which Yah does not permit.

There are reasons why he said to stay away from sorcerers that mutter in ancient tongues. That they have traded in the long robe and pointy hat for a white frock coat does not make much difference to me.

Without a doubt I have had far more recovery and healing from alternatives than I ever did with Western medicine. I will keep going as I am.

And had I a decision in the process, I would not have taken the vaccines I have, all of which was involuntary with the exception of tetanus - which I have also not received for nigh on 20 years now.

Ok, well I certainly understand and empathize if it's for religious grounds.

I also get what you say about maintenance. I was far down a path, due to my diet, of an unpleasant and unhealthy life. My A1C numbers were terrible, and I was diagnosed with "pre-diabetes". My doctor had me on a statin, and then put me on this medicine, metformin. I felt absolutely awful when taking this stuff. This was the motivator to change. I started going to the gym, doing daily walks and sometimes runs, and while I was actively working on weight loss I also did intermittent fasting. I dropped 50 pounds, my A1C numbers came back down, and I was able to throw the medication in the trash. But in the process, I learned how much these statin drugs are over-prescribed. 


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Re: Will you take the Covid19 shot?
« Reply #88 on: January 15, 2021, 09:27:59 pm »
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So, have you taken the Covid-19 vaccine yet?

I will not be eligible until it is available to the general population.  I will take it then.

I have several friends including my daughter that were in the first tier group that have already taken it.

Very frustratingly, the Nursing Home providing care for my Father-In-Law has been trying to get the vaccine to their facility for a few weeks.  He was taken to the hospital Late Wednesday night, along with two others.  One had tested positive and he and another were showing signs so all were taken immediately to the hospital; he is 95, has emphysema and is already on constant oxygen supplement.  He is doing well all things considered.
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Re: Will you take the Covid19 shot?
« Reply #89 on: January 15, 2021, 09:29:14 pm »
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I will not be eligible until it is available to the general population.  I will take it then.

I have several friends including my daughter that were in the first tier group that have already taken it.

No adverse side effects, then?   No allergic reactions?
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Re: Will you take the Covid19 shot?
« Reply #90 on: January 15, 2021, 09:36:12 pm »
No adverse side effects, then?   No allergic reactions?

I personally know of several dozen people who have taken the vaccine, some have received both doses now.  Not one has reported any real side effects.
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Re: Will you take the Covid19 shot?
« Reply #91 on: January 15, 2021, 09:40:01 pm »
I personally know of several dozen people who have taken the vaccine, some have received both doses now.  Not one has reported any real side effects.

Ok.  Thanks.
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Re: Will you take the Covid19 shot?
« Reply #92 on: January 15, 2021, 09:45:20 pm »
Ok, well I certainly understand and empathize if it's for religious grounds.

Funny that - because despite the religious connotations, I am standing in reason, not religion, with a deep and wide view of history for comparison. As an instance, from the occult, look up their 7 Sacred Sciences and then compare them to the Liberal Arts which are the basis of our education system. If you don't get a shiver from that...

What is happening here is ancient as the hills and has brought down governments again and again. That I would refer to that which is even older (presumed you might say) should be considered wise.

We are literally being herded into a global order - but that began long long ago. And much that Americans think they know just aren't true, as history attests.

So deferment based in rite and priesthood ain't it.

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I also get what you say about maintenance. I was far down a path, due to my diet, of an unpleasant and unhealthy life. My A1C numbers were terrible, and I was diagnosed with "pre-diabetes". My doctor had me on a statin, and then put me on this medicine, metformin. I felt absolutely awful when taking this stuff. This was the motivator to change. I started going to the gym, doing daily walks and sometimes runs, and while I was actively working on weight loss I also did intermittent fasting. I dropped 50 pounds, my A1C numbers came back down, and I was able to throw the medication in the trash. But in the process, I learned how much these statin drugs are over-prescribed.

That's right. And it turns out that much of what healed you can be found on the path to Torah. Funny how that works. About the very same thing happened to me.

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Re: Will you take the Covid19 shot?
« Reply #93 on: January 15, 2021, 10:36:48 pm »
I will get it. I think it's as safe as any vaccine, and I think that herd immunity is the only way to get rid of this virus. Otherwise they will keep things locked down until society collapses.
I won't get it.

I will not be alone.
Despite studies which show masks don't stop a virus, and even Fauci's early remarks that they'd do no good, everyone is stuck walking around with their face covered and interpersonal communication is crippled as a result.

At least two highly effective, inexpensive, off the shelf treatment regimens have been suppressed in media and by lousy science performed and touted as reason not to use them which could have nipped the past year of human misery, ruin, and death in the bud.

This all to push for a novel vaccine and to prop up numbers to make the POTUS look bad (as if he is a doctor!) and to gin up panic (and make Bill Gates richer), for starters.

 It was developed, but not necessary, and under largely false pretenses.  They can use that stuff for a suppository--and not on me.
And before someone starts in on the numbers of dead, yes, people died--some perhaps even OF the virus, but those numbers are as reliable as Detroit voting tallies, and have been made worse by political edicts.

Considering it isn't/wasn't necessary, is this part of some binary (and not necessarily benevolent) biological device?

I don't get flu shots, and I don't get the flu. I don't get more than one cold a decade, and it likely isn't one of the coronavirus ones (25% of colds), I'm pretty sure I had this stuff in February of last year but I won't go get tested because I can't afford time off from work.
 
Considering the state of much of society, well, let's get this crap over with.
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Re: Will you take the Covid19 shot?
« Reply #94 on: January 15, 2021, 10:41:48 pm »
Yes, so there is some data coming out now that immunity lasts around 5 months. So for the virus to go away, we need a ~1 month window where we have herd immunity. There are no definitive conclusions on the threshold necessary to hit herd immunity for COVID-19, but estimates are in the 60-70% range. It's unlikely we will ever achieve that with natural infections, especially when you consider immunity only lasts about 5 months (latest data, but not conclusively proven yet). It may be more now that this uber-contagious UK variant is out there. The vaccine is the surest way to hit that threshold.

TBH, I'm not sure why all the scare-mongering over these vaccines. The method of action of the vaccine is new, but it's likely to be THE method for creating all new vaccines in the future. It is a very efficient way to create new vaccines. Once the virus make-up is known, they can engineer a vaccine in a matter of days, and immediately go into the process to validate safety and efficacy. These new mRNA vaccines do not modify your DNA or do anything nefarious. They just leverage mechanisms in your cells to produce the proteins that trigger the immune response. The vaccine does not self-propagate, i.e. once the messenger RNA in the vaccine dose is used up, your body stops making the proteins and its done.

Most of you here had measles, small-pox, dip-tet, shingles vaccines, etc., and didn't give it a second thought. Why all the concern over this one?

Also, regarding that 98.08%, or whatever it is, you need to consider that even though you recover, there's a significant chance you will have long lasting health impacts including reduced lung capacity. I personally don't want to be huffing and puffing every time I walk up a hill.
In response to the remark in bold, and as you have noted, those vaccines were manufactured differently. This is a new and novel technology, manufactured for a manufactured virus in a manufactured crisis. Cheap and effective treatments were suppressed to push this, and I can't attribute the resultant panic, pain, death, and economic destruction to altruism.

Nope. I'm not going to be a lab rat.
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Re: Will you take the Covid19 shot?
« Reply #95 on: January 15, 2021, 10:50:03 pm »
Nope. I'm not going to be a lab rat.

Nope, not for leftist overlords.
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Re: Will you take the Covid19 shot?
« Reply #96 on: January 15, 2021, 11:33:51 pm »
NY Post reports 23 die in Norway after receiving Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine: officials:
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Twenty-three people died in Norway within days of receiving their first dose of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine, with 13 of those deaths — all nursing home patients — apparently related to the side effects of the shots, health officials said.

Common reactions to the vaccine, including fever and nausea, “may have contributed to a fatal outcome in some frail patients,” Sigurd Hortemo, chief physician at the Norwegian Medicines Agency, said in a Friday statement.

All 13 were nursing home patients and at least 80 years old.  ...

Besides those who died, nine had serious side effects — including allergic reactions, strong discomfort and severe fever — while seven had less serious ones, including severe pain at the injection site. ...
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Re: Will you take the Covid19 shot?
« Reply #97 on: January 15, 2021, 11:43:20 pm »
Folks,let's face it,when you are already 80 years old and living in a nursing home,you are sitting on the edge of a razor,anyhow.

Who is to say what killed you,when the back pressure from a suppressed fart can even be one of the suspects?

If  you want to convince me some treatment is dangerous,show me a treatment that is killing otherwise healthy people under 40.
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Re: Will you take the Covid19 shot?
« Reply #98 on: January 15, 2021, 11:46:13 pm »
From the off-guardian, January 3, 2021, “What Vaccine Trials?” by Iain Davis:

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“…the WHO protocols Pfizer used to produce the mRNA [for the vaccine] do not appear to identify any nucleotide sequences that are unique to the SARS-CoV-2 virus. When investigator Fran Leader questioned Pfizer they confirmed: ‘The DNA template does not come directly from an isolated virus from an infected person’.”

And there we are, right back where I started, some time ago. If you don’t have the isolated virus, how can you claim you’ve sequenced it?

And if you’ve sequenced it by ASSUMPTION and GUESS, how can you claim the sequence—or the virus—is real?

Answer: You SAY the sequence and the virus are real, but you have zero proof. Because you’re a “scientific authority,” people automatically believe what you SAY.

more at link:   https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2021/01/15/covid-vaccine-secret-a-stunner/
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Re: Will you take the Covid19 shot?
« Reply #99 on: January 15, 2021, 11:57:56 pm »
Still HELL NO. They can take my dose and stick it in their own azz. Hard. And break the needle off trying.
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