Donald Trump: ‘Facts Are on Our Side’ in Election Fight, but ‘Time Isn’t’

[corbe]

    100% of the Politicians that I can tolerate make up 5% of the Party of these idiots.
    It's just a vehicle, albeit a broken down vehicle.




And Conservatives are getting tired of pushing your crap across the finish line.

[Knox27]

    100% of the Politicians that I can tolerate make up 5% of the Party of these idiots.
    It's just a vehicle, albeit a broken down vehicle.




And Conservatives are getting tired of pushing your crap across the finish line.

Look, youre not the only one that thinks if it as a party of idiots.  I think we just differ on who the idiots are in the party.  I think its the evangelicals and the Trumpers....so that leaves 5 percent for me also

[corbe]

Look, youre not the only one that thinks if it as a party of idiots.  I think we just differ on who the idiots are in the party.  I think its the evangelicals and the Trumpers....so that leaves 5 percent for me also

   I don't disagree with your statement, either @Knox27

[Absalom]

@Absalom .
I hope you are sitting down when you read this because I don't want you hurting yourself, but times change and both people, and political parties evolve. Conservatives migrated to the Republican Party after the War of Northern Aggression because there was no place in the Globalist (Dim) Party for them, and it made more sense to join and change an existing weak party than it did to start anew.
Granted, what is "conservative","moderate","liberal" or any mixture of the three is entirely dependent on the viewers POV, but in GENERAL terms the Republicans were more conservative in every sense of the word than the Dims.
This really wasn't that big a deal at the time because there was no income tax and truthfully, not much to spend an income tax on if there had been one. Steam-powered locomotives and ships were high-tech back then, and there really wasn't a lot for the typical voter to spend their money on.
Then came WW-1 and the idea of an income tax to pay the debts ran up by our involvement in the war.  After all, an America in debt was a dangerous situation, and what harm could come from a temporary income tax to pay our nations debts off and make us strong and independent again?
After all, it's not like it would be a permanent tax, right?

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A brief rejoinder:
* Principled Conservatism and party politics have nothing to do w/each other and/or in common,
   be it the USA, the British Empire or the Athenian Assembly in Greece; the reason Plato
   was never a member of the latter.
* Your "Globalist Dim Party" didn't exist for the 70 years following Lincoln and the R political
   ascendancy.
* We were an isolationist nation from Founding till 1920; some 125 years.
* The 16th Amendment which levied taxes on incomes was ratified in 1913, while we
   entered WW1 late in 1917. The former had nothing to do w/paying war debts.
The rest of your narrative is a rehash of one of Limbaugh's daily run on sentences.

[Absalom]

That of course is a falsity. 'America First' is an opportunist hyphenation of Conservatism, just like all the rest, born in populism, and without either foundation or mortar. It is a collection of catch phrases, not a philosophy.
How dreadful to know that the right has succumbed to such twitter pated noise.

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Roamer, insightful and on the mark per usual.
Current R politicos are the same as those of the past; the only
difference being that the newbies have updated the clichés!!!

[roamer_1]

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Roamer, insightful and on the mark per usual.
Current R politicos are the same as those of the past; the only
difference being that the newbies have updated the clichés!!!

  

[IsailedawayfromFR]

I do, and I know why the founders instituted the electoral college.  I also know its endangered.  I know that losing the popular vote by increasing margins portends losing the electoral college.  Id take a plurality like Clinton had, at the very least

Then you failed civics class.

The Constitution is crystal clear that the states, and only the states, decide the selection of a President using the electoral college.

There is not even a mandate to have a vote for President, so it makes zero difference on whether a popular vote or any vote for that matter is done.

[Knox27]

Then you failed civics class.

The Constitution is crystal clear that the states, and only the states, decide the selection of a President using the electoral college.

There is not even a mandate to have a vote for President, so it makes zero difference on whether a popular vote or any vote for that matter is done.

Please read what I wrote.  I know how the electoral college works.  My two very obvious points were the 1. The electoral college may not exist much longer and 2.  The inevitability that greater margins of losing the popular vote will lead to consistently losing the electoral college.

Republicans have an advantage in both the EC and thanks to gerrymandering, representation in the house.  Both will not hold up much longer.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Please read what I wrote.  I know how the electoral college works.  My two very obvious points were the 1. The electoral college may not exist much longer and 2.  The inevitability that greater margins of losing the popular vote will lead to consistently losing the electoral college.

Republicans have an advantage in both the EC and thanks to gerrymandering, representation in the house.  Both will not hold up much longer.

Why would they not hold out?  Are you suggesting the Constitution will no longer be valid or be changed somehow?

[Knox27]

Why would they not hold out?  Are you suggesting the Constitution will no longer be valid or be changed somehow?

Yes. I am suggesting a real possibility the contitution will he changed to drop the electoral college in favor of a simple popular vote.

But even if it remains, the southern strategy is dead.  Texas is not a 15 point win.  I believe trumpism will lead to big losses.  Trump has a unique ability, and this is not a compliment, to drag voters along through personality.

When his sycophants run on his platform, they will not be able to do that. 

[Absalom]

Yes. I am suggesting a real possibility the constitution will he changed to drop the electoral college in favor of a simple popular vote.
But even if it remains, the southern strategy is dead.  Texas is not a 15 point win.  I believe trumpism will lead to big losses.  Trump has a unique ability, and this is not a compliment, to drag voters along through personality.
When his sycophants run on his platform, they will not be able to do that.

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While your speculation about our voting mechanisms may/may not materialize,
your assertion about Trump is on the mark, as his attitudes, behaviors, impulses
and sentiments are emphatically hardly the norm for any leader of achievement,
which his wise Scots-Gael mother grasped very early in his life.
Yet his followers refuse to accept this, insisting he is the victim of the forces of evil.
The results of this election were enlightening, as the Republicans are within reach 
of holding the Senate w/a +4 advantage, gaining very substantially in the House
while Trump was decisively defeated, notwithstanding his assertions.
Repeating an analogy, ours was a "Parliamentary Election" where the leader was
removed thru a vote of No Confidence, while his party was returned to office.

[IsailedawayfromFR]

Yes. I am suggesting a real possibility the contitution will he changed to drop the electoral college in favor of a simple popular vote.

But even if it remains, the southern strategy is dead.  Texas is not a 15 point win.  I believe trumpism will lead to big losses.  Trump has a unique ability, and this is not a compliment, to drag voters along through personality.

When his sycophants run on his platform, they will not be able to do that.

You appear all over the place.

First you claim that winning a popular vote is important to the selection of a President.

Then when I refute that claim, you jump around and say you know what the electoral college is.  Since it has nothing to do with the popular vote, it is obvious you are oblivious to what it does.

Now you are saying the electoral college is ending.

And your final thrust exposes you as simply a Trump hater.

I need to discuss with someone else that makes sense rather than someone who jumps around.

[Knox27]

You appear all over the place.

First you claim that winning a popular vote is important to the selection of a President.

Then when I refute that claim, you jump around and say you know what the electoral college is.  Since it has nothing to do with the popular vote, it is obvious you are oblivious to what it does.

Now you are saying the electoral college is ending.

And your final thrust exposes you as simply a Trump hater.

I need to discuss with someone else that makes sense rather than someone who jumps around.

Lol.

Ill make sure my future responses to you require no parsing

[IsailedawayfromFR]

[verga]

Exactly right although I don't blame Trump for it, it was that SOB Paul Ryan.

tip of the Iceberg Milady. Collins, Murkowski, Romney, and McLame. All a hand in driving the Never Trumpers. there is more than enough blame to go around. 

[sneakypete]

tip of the Iceberg Milady. Collins, Murkowski, Romney, and McLame. All a hand in driving the Never Trumpers. there is more than enough blame to go around.

@verga

ALL of whom refused to vote for or support Trump because of their "High Principles".

Makes me wonder what color the sky is on their home planets.