Pardon My Perplexity, But Why Should We Be Gracious?

[Bigun]

State legislators in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Wisconsin, and other disputed states should declare openly, right now, that they will only accept a Joe Biden victory after a thorough and complete investigation of all potential voter fraud in every state where the electoral outcome is contested.

   As should every other right-thinking American!

[Jazzhead]

I repeat - GOP candidates were successful, defying all poll predictions, up and down the ballot.  It was only Trump who lost. 

[skeeter]

I repeat - GOP candidates were successful, defying all poll predictions, up and down the ballot.  It was only Trump who lost.

That you assert so confidently Trump lost 'fair and square' in the face of mounting evidence the election was anything but fair raises suspicions about your motives.

[Smokin Joe]

The Law is Clear: If An Election is Stolen, State Legislatures Can Restore The Will of The People
November 12, 2020 https://www.revolver.news/2020/11/republican-state-legislatures-must-restore-will-of-the-people/

What Dems seem to fear is behind the fear that Trump will be reelected.

That the perfidy of the Deep State operations, especially those involving ranking democrats, will be revealed and (maybe even) prosecuted is the motivation for this desperate cheating, not just the desire to impose their socialist order.

They're all in.

[Smokin Joe]

I repeat - GOP candidates were successful, defying all poll predictions, up and down the ballot.  It was only Trump who lost.

That the GOP made gains in all elections except the top of the ticket defies all logic.

The one person who could thwart the will of the people otherwise is the guy at the top, vetoing all the others do, and countermanding intent with executive orders. Why would GOP voters vote to sabotage their own goals?

[Jazzhead]

That you assert so confidently Trump lost 'fair and square' in the face of mounting evidence the election was anything but fair raises suspicions about your motives.

My motives are transparent.  I am a Republican.   My party did well,  and needs to press on with the business of governance and legislation.   I do not have the time or inclination to wallow in bitterness and rage over one particular election result.  I agree with you that a GOP priority must be to resist Dem calls to make mail balloting permanent.  We must,  for example, resist with every fiber of our being Pelosi's House Bill 1.   To do that we need both credibility and unity.

Face it, Trump lost.   This crazy crusade to overturn the will of the people is as pathetic and dangerous as what the Dems spent four years doing to Trump.  Two wrongs don't make a right.   

[catfish1957]

   I do not have the time or inclination to wallow in bitterness and rage over one particular election result.

Face it, Trump lost.   This crazy crusade to overturn the will of the people is as pathetic and dangerous as what the Dems spent four years doing to Trump.  Two wrongs don't make a right.

ca•pit•u•la•tion kə-pĭch″ə-lā′shən►
n.   The act of surrendering or giving up.
n.   A document containing the terms of surrender.
n.   An enumeration of the main parts of a subject; a summary.

[Cyber Liberty]

My motives are transparent.

At long last I can agree with something, though I don't think you would want to hear why.

[Bigun]

My motives are transparent.  I am a Republican.   My party did well,  and needs to press on with the business of governance and legislation.   I do not have the time or inclination to wallow in bitterness and rage over one particular election result.  I agree with you that a GOP priority must be to resist Dem calls to make mail balloting permanent.  We must,  for example, resist with every fiber of our being Pelosi's House Bill 1.   To do that we need both credibility and unity.

Face it, Trump lost.   This crazy crusade to overturn the will of the people is as pathetic and dangerous as what the Dems spent four years doing to Trump.  Two wrongs don't make a right.

You are perfectly entitled to your dumbassed opinions and the rest of us are equally entitled to not share them @Jazzhead

[sneakypete]

The Law is Clear: If An Election is Stolen, State Legislatures Can Restore The Will of The People
November 12, 2020 https://www.revolver.news/2020/11/republican-state-legislatures-must-restore-will-of-the-people/

@mountaineer

That's some industrial-strength truth on display,there!

[catfish1957]

@mountaineer

That's some industrial-strength truth on display,there!

Lots of truth, but will be a shadow in reality.

[sneakypete]

I repeat - GOP candidates were successful, defying all poll predictions, up and down the ballot.  It was only Trump who lost.

@Jazzhead

What *I* find remarkable is you see nothing unusual about that,while I hear sirens going off.

It is a political "given" that the Presidential candidate is THE strongest influence as to how a campaign by the President's party is going to go. Presidents have "coattails",and bring along marginal party candidates with them when they go into office.

Yet YOU seem to believe that all the historic Republican victories this year are DESPITE Trump being at the top of the ticket.

Name ONE time in the history of America that has happened.

Name ONE time in history when any Presidential candidate has drawn the crowds at public events that Trump has drawn.

Name ONE time in history when a Presidential candidate has been so senile this own party had to hide him from public appearances,and that party won.

Name ONE time in history where a Presidential candidates children have been known to commit felonies and profit from selling out America to foreign nations,and that candidate won the popular vote.

Yet all this seems to make perfect sense to you,and it is everybody else that is wrong,not you?

[dfwgator]

@mountaineer

That's some industrial-strength truth on display,there!

Maybe people will finally get off their butts and start voting in these State and Local elections.   And make sure any Republican running is on the MAGA Train,   the "Kinder, Gentler" Bushies aren't getting the GOP back, no matter what happens.

[skeeter]

@Jazzhead

What *I* find remarkable is you see nothing unusual about that,while I hear sirens going off.

It is a political "given" that the Presidential candidate is THE strongest influence as to how a campaign by the President's party is going to go. Presidents have "coattails",and bring along marginal party candidates with them when they go into office.

Yet YOU seem to believe that all the historic Republican victories this year are DESPITE Trump being at the top of the ticket.

Name ONE time in the history of America that has happened.

Name ONE time in history when any Presidential candidate has drawn the crowds at public events that Trump has drawn.

Name ONE time in history when a Presidential candidate has been so senile this own party had to hide him from public appearances,and that party won.

Name ONE time in history where a Presidential candidates children have been known to commit felonies and profit from selling out America to foreign nations,and that candidate won the popular vote.

Yet all this seems to make perfect sense to you,and it is everybody else that is wrong,not you?

Name one incumbent president who lost their reelection bid while enjoying 53% job approval. Suffice it to say critical thinking is not @Jazzhead ‘s forte.

[sneakypete]

Obtuse, much?

@DCPatriot

A question that applies to you as much as to anyone else.

You're not the entire Republican Party, @sneakypete

Neither are you,and it would do you Bible-Thumpers well to remember this. You are a minority,and it would do you well to remember you will never win and hold onto power as long as you neglect the non-devoutly religious among you that make up a large part of your support.

 

[Cyber Liberty]

@sneakypete

Have you noticed lawyers love speaking in Latin?  This one's favorite phrase is "status quo."  He sees it's crooked as Hell, but prefers "crooked" to "change it to honest."  Too much messy unpredictability.  As he says, he's "transparent."

[dfwgator]

My motives are transparent.  I am a Republican.   My party did well,  and needs to press on with the business of governance and legislation.   I do not have the time or inclination to wallow in bitterness and rage over one particular election result.  I agree with you that a GOP priority must be to resist Dem calls to make mail balloting permanent.  We must,  for example, resist with every fiber of our being Pelosi's House Bill 1.   To do that we need both credibility and unity.

Face it, Trump lost.   This crazy crusade to overturn the will of the people is as pathetic and dangerous as what the Dems spent four years doing to Trump.  Two wrongs don't make a right.

Understand if the Conservatives ditch Trump, we are right back to Square One.  Leaderless, just 70 million people bitching and nothing getting done.   Regardless of how you feel about Trump, the fact is, he is still the only one who can galvanize our side,    until the torch can be passed on.    But we aren't at that point yet, so we have to stand by Trump, as long as he's willing to fight.

[skeeter]

@sneakypete

Have you noticed lawyers love speaking in Latin?  This one's favorite phrase is "status quo."  He sees it's crooked as Hell, but prefers "crooked" to "change it to honest."  Too much messy unpredictability.  As he says, he's "transparent."

Dick the Butcher’s line gets big laughs every year at Shakespeare in the Park for a reason.

[Jazzhead]

That the GOP made gains in all elections except the top of the ticket defies all logic.

The one person who could thwart the will of the people otherwise is the guy at the top, vetoing all the others do, and countermanding intent with executive orders. Why would GOP voters vote to sabotage their own goals?

It's perfectly logical. Folks support Republican policies but were sick and tired of Trump's reality show.    The fact that Republicans won up and down the board strongly suggests that the rejection of Trump wasn't because of fraud, but because of the expressed will and wisdom of the people.

[Jazzhead]

You are perfectly entitled to your dumbassed opinions and the rest of us are equally entitled to not share them @Jazzhead

Spoken like a petulant child.   Some folks grow older, but not up.

[roamer_1]

Face it, Trump lost.   This crazy crusade to overturn the will of the people is as pathetic and dangerous as what the Dems spent four years doing to Trump.  Two wrongs don't make a right.

I almost agree with you, with a simple caveat: If there were electoral shenanigans, then by all means pursue them through the courts, regardless if enough can be garnered to overturn a county or state. But only where and how the evidence will allow.

[Jazzhead]

ca•pit•u•la•tion kə-pĭch″ə-lā′shən►
n.   The act of surrendering or giving up.
n.   A document containing the terms of surrender.
n.   An enumeration of the main parts of a subject; a summary.

Again,  I'll repeat -  Republicans won this year up and down the board.  In state after state,  progs and prog initiatives were defeated.   

Only Trump lost.  Not because of fraud - how could that be when all those other Republicans won?  Trump lost because, despite the adoring crowds, too many other Americans thought he is a dickhead.   Trump lost because he got exactly what he asked for - a referendum on himself.

Grow up folks,  and let's gird for the next fight.

[dfwgator]

I almost agree with you, with a simple caveat: If there were electoral shenanigans, then by all means pursue them through the courts, regardless if enough can be garnered to overturn a county or state. But only where and how the evidence will allow.

We may just have to go the Watergate route.  Nixon won overwhelmingly in 72.  But the Rats didn't give up, and they eventually got their scalp.

[roamer_1]

the "Kinder, Gentler" Bushies aren't getting the GOP back, no matter what happens.

LOL! The Moderate wing never lost the GOP. What nearly did that was the TEA Party, not Tumpism.

[dfwgator]

Again,  I'll repeat -  Republicans won this year up and down the board.  In state after state,  progs and prog initiatives were defeated.   

Only Trump lost.  Not because of fraud - how could that be when all those other Republicans won?  Trump lost because, despite the adoring crowds, too many other Americans thought he is a dickhead.   Trump lost because he got exactly what he asked for - a referendum on itself.

Grow up folks,  and let's gird for the next fight.

It was a close election, could have gone either way.  I think in a way what Trump is doing now, is precisely what his enemies did.  Plant enough seeds of doubt that the election was legit with all the "Russia, Russia, Russia" crap.      I think he knows he won't win, but he can do exactly what the Rats did to him.