Pardon My Perplexity, But Why Should We Be Gracious?

[Right_in_Virginia]

There is no reason for the GOP to reject Trump.  Quite the contrary.   But Trump needs to be smart enough to play the long game and not embarass the party with futile and potentially dangerous obstruction for its own sake.   If Trump plays his cards right - and helps the party to keep the Senate - he will the clear frontrunner for the 2024 nomination if he wants it.

The plotters of "Plan B" against Donald Trump will not only get off scot-free, they all may be turning around and returning to the White House. 

The very man who sat in a meeting in the Oval Office and suggested General Michael Flynn be prosecuted under the Logan Act is poised to return to the Oval Office as President of the United States. 

There is open discussion about how best to punish the supporters of President Trump -- both private and political citizens.  If the long coup is finally successful and the plotters are reinstalled, it is very likely Donald Trump will not live to see the end of 2021 -- they are this serious about sending a message not to try and retake this government again.
 
And you're telling us that if President Trump "plays his cards right" he could be the Party's nominee in 2024. 
 
I ask this to understand, not insult:  Are you not informed, intellectually challenged, or evil?  @Jazzhead

[Hoodat]

None of us KNOW that cheating was rampant. Your comment seems a tad emotionally charged.

Rampant?  That's a judgment call.  But enough cheating to turn this election?  Without a shred of doubt.

[roamer_1]

Trump will keep his base,  going forward, as he is now the leader of The Resistance.

LOL! Some resistance. 

[roamer_1]

Rampant?  That's a judgment call.  But enough cheating to turn this election?  Without a shred of doubt.

Then it should IN FACT be easy to prove in court... Which is FINE, if true.

[Hoodat]

If the Dems really believed that Biden won Pennsylvania, then they would encourage a recount, make Trump pay for it, then deliver the biggest F/U they could possibly muster by reconfirming a Biden win while draining GOP wallets.  But that's only IF they really believed Biden won.

[Hoodat]

Then it should IN FACT be easy to prove in court... Which is FINE, if true.

Proving it in court hasn't been the problem.  Proving it in a court with an impartial judge has been the roadblock so far.  And even when a judge has ruled in their favor, Pennsylvania ignored the ruling. 

[roamer_1]

Proving it in court hasn't been the problem.  Proving it in a court with an impartial judge has been the roadblock so far.  And even when a judge has ruled in their favor, Pennsylvania ignored the ruling.

Then it will go up the appeals chain... So no problemo.

[Hoodat]

Then it will go up the appeals chain... So no problemo.

Hopefully, the next judge in the Michigan chain will put more stock in the sworn eyewitness testimony of numerous witnesses instead of the outside opinion of a former Democrat election official who worked for the Obama Administration.

[Cyber Liberty]

None of us KNOW that cheating was rampant. Your comment seems a tad emotionally charged.

I get that way with him because he has a really bad habit of making declarations and ignoring people who tell him he's FOS, with counter arguments, logic and facts.  Ask him how he feels about you buying a rifle off the back of a truck.  And your comment "there's no evidence" is putting the cart before the horse.  Evidence comes when trials head to discovery.  You won't see direct evidence until that happens.

Calling my argument is "emotional" is ridiculous. 

[Bigun]

Approaching Troll level

 

Reached that level at least two years ago IMHO!

[roamer_1]

And your comment "there's no evidence" is putting the cart before the horse.  Evidence comes when trials head to discovery.  You won't see direct evidence until that happens.

That's right - Yet many on this site already believe the case for massive fraud to be open-and-shut, without that evidence forthcoming... That would be the cart before the horse, right there... To the point of folks getting bent around the axle simply for urging caution.

Calling my argument is "emotional" is ridiculous.

That is not what I said. I said your COMMENT seemed emotionally charged - to which you as much as admitted. I get that everybody is buttsore, but that does not tend toward clear thinking... Which is all I meant to point out.

[Cyber Liberty]

That's right - Yet many on this site already believe the case for massive fraud to be open-and-shut, without that evidence forthcoming... That would be the cart before the horse, right there... To the point of folks getting bent around the axle simply for urging caution.

That is not what I said. I said your COMMENT seemed emotionally charged - to which you as much as admitted. I get that everybody is buttsore, but that does not tend toward clear thinking... Which is all I meant to point out.

I take your point.  I guess it was charged.  But the "lack of evidence " canard is why Neil Cavuto cut Kayleigh McEnany the other day.  These are the kind of folks who think "circumstantial evidence" is worthless. 

[skeeter]

I take your point.  I guess it was charged.  But the "lack of evidence " canard is why Neil Cavuto cut Kayleigh McEnany the other day.  These are the kind of folks who think "circumstantial evidence" is worthless.

Sitting on one's fanny at home harrumphing about a 'lack of evidence' while investigations are ongoing hundreds of miles away is ridiculous and not worthy of response.

[roamer_1]

I take your point.  I guess it was charged.  But the "lack of evidence " canard is why Neil Cavuto cut Kayleigh McEnany the other day.  These are the kind of folks who think "circumstantial evidence" is worthless.

It is not so much whether the evidence is circumstantial as much as its reliability. All matter of nonsense has already come and gone... The idea that Tumpy had all the ballots watermarked and was waiting for the right time to send em all frogmarching is a great example...

The only evidence that matters is actionable evidence, and there seems to be far less of that than the other.

[Fishrrman]

aligncare wrote (presciently):
"If democrats can steal national elections they become the gatekeepers. Patriotic Americans will huddle outside with no voice and no keys to enter into the governing majority ever again. It’s bye bye miss American pie."

It is... what it is.
The democrat-communists have built "an apparatus"** with which they not only can steal national elections -- they just did. I think that the left was as surprised by the results as we were.

I sense that the leftist/communists (perhaps with help from the Chinese communist party) began assembling their "election apparatus" back after Mr. Trump first won in 2016. They were caught by surprise by his narrow wins in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin -- and they weren't going to let that happen again.

They may have put some of their work-in-progress to the test in 2018, perhaps in Georgia, Florida, perhaps even in Texas. But it wasn't really operational at that point.

By 2020, they were ready to "go live". They weren't ready everywhere, but they WERE ready in "the states where it counted".

I'm not sure if they really expected everything to work as well as it did. In the same way as the Bolsheviks (in the 1917 coup) didn't expect to win (but were surprised when they did).

I've posted about this over the past few days, but I'll repeat:
I believe their underground "election apparatus" has been designed to operate both as "software" (vote recording and tallying programs that can be corrupted), and as "hardware" (the ability to mechanically produce large numbers of physical ballots). You couldn't get enough people in cahoots to "work up" the numbers of ballots required "by hand". Some kind of machine reproduction is involved.

By 2022, I predict they'll be further refined, and aiming their sights at "shifting" elections involving The House and Senate where possible.
And of course in 2024, the presidential election.

By then... yes... it truly will be "bye bye Miss American Pie".
At least... and until... the fires of socialism/marxism/communism burn through America long enough to reduce themselves to ashes.

**Note:
For a further description of "apparatus", see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_espionage_in_the_United_States
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_espionage_in_the_United_States#Secret_apparatus

[Smokin Joe]

It has long been the case that Republicans have had to overwhelm the ballot box to nullify typical Democrat cheating... And the answer does not mean, 'they cheat, so we can too'. If neither side will abide the rules, then the rules are gone.

Then it is high time the rules get enforced.

The Democrats went all out this time, counting ballots that should not have been counted, defying the law and court orders to let observers observe and verify ballots, BACKDATING ballots to "make them legal", and the software "glitches" that switched thousands of votes in just one of the 47 counties in one state that use the same software (MI). That does not include documented ballot harvesting, etc.

When the data do not fit ordinary patterns, when the senatorial candidates outstrip the POTUS votes, when votes are tabulated 100% for one candidate, when R vote totals go down while D vote totals go up (by the same number) there is a lot to be accounted for, and yes, enough to steal the election.

Why is it twitter and fecebook only mask or annotate claims that there was fraud, and not the claims Biden is president-elect (when he is no such thing before results are certified and the Electoral College votes, provided he wins.) Nope, that isn't annotated or factchecked or otherwise indicated as not being correct, but the time to label any post on those venues that indicates evidence of fraud is less than it takes for the post to materialize after the click to post it.

I know, I have had multiple posts on both platforms tagged.

That same information is posted here and on MeWe without that branding.

You work with these machines and code (they are computers after all) so lok over what these guys are discussing and tell me if there is merit in what they are saying: https://centipedenation.com/transmissions/bombshell-anon-crunches-voter-data-discovers-election-software-dominion-producing-massive-fraud/
https://thedonald.win/p/11Q8O2wesk/happening-calling-every-pede-to-/

This isn't about Trump, @roamer_1 , this is about fair and honest elections, about counting legal votes and not counting those which are not, and about one person, one vote. Without that, we have no Republic, not even the palimpsest ghost of a Constitution, and no rule of law.

[Smokin Joe]

I am ALL FOR IT if it is done in the courts... I think that overturning obvious ballot-stuffing is great. And I think inconsistencies (like not allowing Republican observers) has to hurt. But proving widespread ballot tampering had better come with incontrovertible evidence... And in that case where it is down to a last gasp, I would far prefer the mulligan to state legislators assigning electors.

You forget the other half that will not believe you, and you are doing to them precisely what you think they are doing to you. By and large, it is not the American people who are acting in bad faith, Democrat or Republican... It is the political machines that are acting badly. To overturn the American people is a profoundly bad mistake.

Unless you want war.

Especially if it is done by fraud at the polls and during the vote count.

[Smokin Joe]

Except that we kicked their ass this year.   Every last poll was wrong.   Maybe the Dems will accuse us of fraud 

The opinion polls can be manipulated, and were to provide the image of a point spread for Biden.

Keep in mind that in places like my county, Trump got 82+% of the vote.

[roamer_1]

This isn't about Trump, @roamer_1 , this is about fair and honest elections, about counting legal votes and not counting those which are not, and about one person, one vote. Without that, we have no Republic, not even the palimpsest ghost of a Constitution, and no rule of law.

@Smokin Joe
I don't give a crap about Tumpy, or Buydem. I care about the process, and conviction in the press one way or the other... All this damn drama don't amount to a hill of beans, because it relies upon biased reporting from BOTH SIDES. None of this is evidence unless it is actionable evidence. And if it is INDEED actionable, then I fully expect it to be brought before the court.

What is the furthest thing from the rule of law is believing all the bullshit in the press and going to war over it. All I have done since the election is urge caution and vetting of information, but I may as well be pissing in a hurricane for all it's done.

I swear, what happened to bring Dan Rather down could not happen today.

[roamer_1]

Especially if it is done by fraud at the polls and during the vote count.

FINE. Then PROVE IT.

[Bigun]

Matthew 9:26-27

[mountaineer]

@Raiklin
44m
“I’m going to release the Kraken!” @SidneyPowell1 on @LouDobbs a few minutes ago. 
Translation, “All hell is about to break loose”
My vernacular rendition:”The best lawyer in the history of America is about to lay waste to all involved in the fraud against the legal  voter”

https://twitter.com/Raiklin/status/1327387035716476929

[Cyber Liberty]

It is not so much whether the evidence is circumstantial as much as its reliability. All matter of nonsense has already come and gone... The idea that Tumpy had all the ballots watermarked and was waiting for the right time to send em all frogmarching is a great example...

The only evidence that matters is actionable evidence, and there seems to be far less of that than the other.

At this point, it's just a big pile of affidavits.  This will be tested court, but until then this is the best available.  When one is decrying the lack of evidence at this point, it's probably best for everybody else to ignore it.

The subject of this thread is "Why should we be Gracious?"  The answer has become self-evident.  It's not "No," it's "Hell no, because we didn't start this war!" 

[Cyber Liberty]

FINE. Then PROVE IT.

Is there any chance you will wait and let them, without belittling the efforts?

[roamer_1]

Is there any chance you will wait and let them, without belittling the efforts?

As a matter of fact, I am the one waiting.