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Pardon My Perplexity, But Why Should We Be Gracious?
« on: November 11, 2020, 11:37:54 AM »
Pardon My Perplexity, But Why Should We Be Gracious?

Appeasement and ingratiating language will not likely change the Left. It will simply embolden it to behave more brazenly.

By Paul Gottfried
November 10, 2020

It is hard for me to understand the advice now emanating from Fox News and much of the rest of Conservatism, Inc.. These folks have gone into high gear instructing Donald Trump’s supporters to “graciously” accept Joe Biden’s presidential victory. Since we are not allowed to utter the word “fraud” to describe what has happened, are we at least permitted to refer to “irregularities”? I’m not sure that even that’s OK.

At high noon on November 7, when Fox News anchor Chris Wallace announced his network was declaring Biden the victor in the presidential contest, he quoted Senator Mitt Romney (R-Utah), who warned the outgoing president against saying anything “inflammatory.” Presumably, noting that scores of irregularities had taken place during the election in battleground states with Democratic governors and in heavily Democratic districts would have the effect of “dividing” our country.

On Saturday night, several Fox News pundits were mulling over the question of why Republican congressmen were not yet flooding the newly and duly elected president with notes of congratulations. Marc Theissen stepped in to explain that Trump had “frozen” this natural process, by engaging in what seemed tiresome and unnecessary litigation. Karl Rove was bubbling over with delight as he explained that Biden, in his first remarks as president-elect, appealed to “healing and unity.” NeverTrumper and Fox News “all-star” Jonah Goldberg seemed profoundly relieved to see Trump and his “juvenile attitudes” go down to defeat. And former Florida Governor Jeb Bush tried to get out ahead of the others by “praying for our new president.”

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Re: Pardon My Perplexity, But Why Should We Be Gracious?
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2020, 11:53:23 AM »
The Rats deserve to be treated with the same graciousness as they treated Donald Trump and George W. Bush.
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Re: Pardon My Perplexity, But Why Should We Be Gracious?
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2020, 12:03:17 PM »
For everything there is a season,(see verse 3)

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Re: Pardon My Perplexity, But Why Should We Be Gracious?
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2020, 12:19:58 PM »
Total war.

The bonus here is we’ll be rid of the limp wing of the GOP as they’ll be busy in their role as camp followers for the left.
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Re: Pardon My Perplexity, But Why Should We Be Gracious?
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2020, 12:43:24 PM »
The Rats deserve to be treated with the same graciousness as they treated Donald Trump and George W. Bush.

They may well deserve it,  but does the Republic?   I say be gracious,  and oppose them where it matters and where we have the leverage - on policy.   Why be gracious?   Because we have a love of country that compels us to.
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Re: Pardon My Perplexity, But Why Should We Be Gracious?
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2020, 12:58:44 PM »
They may well deserve it,  but does the Republic?   I say be gracious,  and oppose them where it matters and where we have the leverage - on policy.   Why be gracious?   Because we have a love of country that compels us to.

That's the difference between you and me.  I think the Republic deserves it because of their past electoral choices.  That stuff about "love of country" is the last refuge of scoundrels, clinging to the status quo.

That shit is over!  The peeps demand more that "graciousness" because they realize the Rats have ratcheted up the cheating to an intolerable level, and are encouraged that we have a President who agrees, saying, "I'm mad as Hell, and I'm not gonna take it anymore!"  Apparently for you, this just another example that the President of the United States being a big meany.
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Re: Pardon My Perplexity, But Why Should We Be Gracious?
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2020, 01:05:11 PM »
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Re: Pardon My Perplexity, But Why Should We Be Gracious?
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2020, 01:11:58 PM »
They may well deserve it,  but does the Republic?   I say be gracious,  and oppose them where it matters and where we have the leverage - on policy.   Why be gracious?   Because we have a love of country that compels us to.


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If you give that person across from you a beating whether you win or lose that action
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I had the distinction of facing precisely that situation. I have spoke of it before. I was
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Re: Pardon My Perplexity, But Why Should We Be Gracious?
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2020, 01:42:35 PM »
That's the difference between you and me.  I think the Republic deserves it because of their past electoral choices.  That stuff about "love of country" is the last refuge of scoundrels, clinging to the status quo.

That shit is over!  The peeps demand more that "graciousness" because they realize the Rats have ratcheted up the cheating to an intolerable level, and are encouraged that we have a President who agrees, saying, "I'm mad as Hell, and I'm not gonna take it anymore!"  Apparently for you, this just another example that the President of the United States being a big meany.

You refuse to face reality.  After the recounts and certifications from state election officials,  it appears overwhelmingly certain that Trump will have lost.  Fair and square, just as Hillary did four years ago.

It the abiding hallmark of our Republic that we accept the peaceful transition of power and direct our energies toward the next election.  Do we fight?   Of course,  but not on the sordid ground you propose.  We are better than the Dems;  they are scoundrels, we are patriots.
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Re: Pardon My Perplexity, But Why Should We Be Gracious?
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2020, 02:01:14 PM »
You refuse to face reality.  After the recounts and certifications from state election officials,  it appears overwhelmingly certain that Trump will have lost.  Fair and square, just as Hillary did four years ago.

It the abiding hallmark of our Republic that we accept the peaceful transition of power and direct our energies toward the next election.  Do we fight?   Of course,  but not on the sordid ground you propose.  We are better than the Dems;  they are scoundrels, we are patriots.

You, sir are the one ignoring reality.  And because you do, you think nothing's wrong.  That's a walking, talking example of "none are as blind as those who refuse to see."  Your opinion of Trump is the stuff of TBR legends.
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Re: Pardon My Perplexity, But Why Should We Be Gracious?
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2020, 03:45:40 PM »
You refuse to face reality.  After the recounts and certifications from state election officials,  it appears overwhelmingly certain that Trump will have lost.  Fair and square, just as Hillary did four years ago.

It the abiding hallmark of our Republic that we accept the peaceful transition of power and direct our energies toward the next election.  Do we fight?   Of course,  but not on the sordid ground you propose.  We are better than the Dems;  they are scoundrels, we are patriots.



I think I'll wait and see what the recounts and certifications reveal before I make any broad statements. As far as I'm concerned Trump has every right to challenge the results (didn't Gore?) and if there were no discrepancies that might be discovered the Dems and the media wouldn't be having such a fit.

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« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2020, 03:53:02 PM »
You refuse to face reality.  After the recounts and certifications from state election officials,  it appears overwhelmingly certain that Trump will have lost.  Fair and square, just as Hillary did four years ago.

It the abiding hallmark of our Republic that we accept the peaceful transition of power and direct our energies toward the next election.  Do we fight?   Of course,  but not on the sordid ground you propose.  We are better than the Dems;  they are scoundrels, we are patriots.

See, this is where you lose all credibility. Nothing appears 'overwhelmingly certain' - thats just flat untrue. The statistical patterns, sworn affidavits, hell basic common sense - etc point to the contrary

Following advise like your's is exactly why we find ourselves in the dire situation we are currently in. Just keep being 'gracious' in defeat and they will continue to make fools of us. It will stop when we decide to fight back. So please take your TDS and just step aside.


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Re: Pardon My Perplexity, But Why Should We Be Gracious?
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2020, 03:57:08 PM »
After a few years of lurking, I joined FR in December 2000 to help yell "Get out of Chaney's House" 

al "Mr. Stone" gore was the antithesis of gracious.  Hell with these SOB's.
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« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2020, 03:58:28 PM »
They may well deserve it,  but does the Republic?   I say be gracious,  and oppose them where it matters and where we have the leverage - on policy.   Why be gracious?   Because we have a love of country that compels us to.

Gotcha Mr. Neville Chamberlin.....
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« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2020, 04:00:29 PM »


I think I'll wait and see what the recounts and certifications reveal before I make any broad statements. As far as I'm concerned Trump has every right to challenge the results (didn't Gore?) and if there were no discrepancies that might be discovered the Dems and the media wouldn't be having such a fit.

The left's insistence that we shut up and accept is possibly a ruse that they know they got their hand caught in cookie jar, and the lid is getting ready to blown off.
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« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2020, 04:06:23 PM »
You refuse to face reality.  After the recounts and certifications from state election officials,  it appears overwhelmingly certain that Trump will have lost.  Fair and square, just as Hillary did four years ago.

It the abiding hallmark of our Republic that we accept the peaceful transition of power and direct our energies toward the next election.  Do we fight?   Of course,  but not on the sordid ground you propose.  We are better than the Dems;  they are scoundrels, we are patriots.

I don't think it's over @Jazzhead ... But I will stand with you this far: All the whining and crying and throwing dirt in the air does nothing... And I question why it's being done... It seems designed to try this whole deal in the public square instead of in the courts and law enforcement where it belongs.

I am more along the lines of 'walk softly and carry a big stick'... I am not for concession, not until it's all pounded out, but if most of this stuff was real, I would think they'd shut up until the time came to play their hand - which would not be in the public eye, but rather in the courts and state houses. Why lose the element of surprise by leaking it all to the press? Shut up and swing that stick when the time comes. But that ain't what's happening.


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Re: Pardon My Perplexity, But Why Should We Be Gracious?
« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2020, 04:13:06 PM »
They may well deserve it,  but does the Republic?   I say be gracious,  and oppose them where it matters and where we have the leverage - on policy.   Why be gracious?   Because we have a love of country that compels us to.

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« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2020, 04:41:04 PM »
Are you a 'Jesuit' in training?    :laugh:
Someone needs to tell him it’s not his Republican Party anymore.

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« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2020, 05:02:12 PM »
Someone needs to tell him it’s not his Republican Party anymore.
   Perhaps not,  as so many succumb to the temptatations of bitterness, cynicism, vituperation and conspiracy-mongering.   I'm an old Reagan Republican and no doubt a dying breed.   Go die on your hill, sir,  I will continue to work with whoever may care to listen to help build the Shining City.
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« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2020, 06:11:34 PM »
   Perhaps not,  as so many succumb to the temptatations of bitterness, cynicism, vituperation and conspiracy-mongering.   I'm an old Reagan Republican and no doubt a dying breed.   Go die on your hill, sir,  I will continue to work with whoever may care to listen to help build the Shining City.
 
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Re: Pardon My Perplexity, But Why Should We Be Gracious?
« Reply #20 on: November 11, 2020, 06:26:10 PM »
Why do folks around here get so riled about jazzhead?
I saw him as a disruptor and put him on ignore a very long time ago.
His presence is guaranteed to rile other posters to the edge of irrationality.
It ruins otherwise-interesting threads.

This is in line with what we must do to the leftists in this country, if a traditional-minded America is to long endure.
That is to say... ignore and blacklist them.
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« Reply #21 on: November 11, 2020, 06:34:47 PM »
Someone needs to tell him it’s not his Republican Party anymore.

@skeeter

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Re: Pardon My Perplexity, But Why Should We Be Gracious?
« Reply #22 on: November 11, 2020, 06:40:44 PM »
Why do folks around here get so riled about jazzhead?
I saw him as a disruptor and put him on ignore a very long time ago.
His presence is guaranteed to rile other posters to the edge of irrationality.
It ruins otherwise-interesting threads.

This is in line with what we must do to the leftists in this country, if a traditional-minded America is to long endure.
That is to say... ignore and blacklist them.

I haven't had that option since I signed on as a Mod 4 years ago.   :shrug:

Can't Moderate if I can't see 'em.
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Re: Pardon My Perplexity, But Why Should We Be Gracious?
« Reply #23 on: November 11, 2020, 07:22:44 PM »
Not a disruptor.  Just old school.  *****rollingeyes*****
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« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2020, 07:26:44 PM »
   Perhaps not,  as so many succumb to the temptatations of bitterness, cynicism, vituperation and conspiracy-mongering.   I'm an old Reagan Republican and no doubt a dying breed.   Go die on your hill, sir,  I will continue to work with whoever may care to listen to help build the Shining City.

Well alright. Kasich is looking for work why not give him a jingle.
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