Kyle Rittenhouse sent to Wisconsin to face charges in Kenosha protest shootings

[HuskyPatriot]

That seventeen year old was being attacked with weapons.  How would you consider he should defend himself? With spitballs(Thanks to Zell Miller)?

Everyone he shot had a criminal record and were out that night in order to promote more crimes.

And please give all of us readers your insight that these killings were done out of anger like you promote.  Have you even seen the videos of the incidents involved?  If you had, you would not make such a ridiculous statement.

We do not need civility when the rioters are ripping apart your town, business or family.  They have declared war, and it will be won by those who choose to fight, not by those who choose not to.

You need to respond in force, and respond hard.  Especially as the police have become neutered.

I don't see in the video that the crowd was armed when he was approached.  (I just saw the video)   A mob ready to tackle him, yes. To beat him, probably. No police, definitely.  This kid was not from that community.  Why he felt the need to make an appearance only he knows. According to the law in Wisconsin he was too young to carry that type of weapon.  I think that he might have been scared (angry, perhaps not) but scared enough to pull the trigger.  The legal aspect alone of him not having the right in Wisconsin to carry a gun might be sufficient to throw the book at him. A hero for protecting a town not his own?   OK.  I'll take that thread. But it's a sad state of affairs to rely on armed teenagers for defense.  And take on the burden of killing another human being.  Sad.

[Elderberry]

I don't see in the video that the crowd was armed when he was approached.  (I just saw the video)   A mob ready to tackle him, yes. To beat him, probably. No police, definitely.  This kid was not from that community.  Why he felt the need to make an appearance only he knows. According to the law in Wisconsin he was too young to carry that type of weapon.  I think that he might have been scared (angry, perhaps not) but scared enough to pull the trigger.  The legal aspect alone of him not having the right in Wisconsin to carry a gun might be sufficient to throw the book at him. A hero for protecting a town not his own?   OK.  I'll take that thread. But it's a sad state of affairs to rely on armed teenagers for defense.  And take on the burden of killing another human being.  Sad.

One of the mob chasing him that he shot was armed. You think they were only going to tackle him and beat him up? If an angry mob chases you down and you end up on the ground, your odds of living are very low. More likely you will be stomped to death or pummeled dead by skateboards. That's why they carry them. He was in fear of his life and he defended himself. There is no law against that. The law he may have broken, having a firearm, is a misdemeanor.

[sneakypete]

But why is a seventeen year old shooting and killing people acceptable?

@HuskyPatriot

I dunno. Maybe because the first one he shot was wearing body armor,a helmet,and hitting him in the head with a skateboard and trying to kill him after he tripped and fell down trying to run away from him,and the second guy had a 9mm pistol in his hand and trying to point it at him when the 17 year old kid shot him?

Call me a radical if you want,but it seems to me his shooting was well-justified.

AND......,what did he do after shooting those two and was able to get back to his feet? Did he continue shooting until he ran out of ammo? Nope,he walked away. He didn't have to run THIS time because for some odd reason the mob that had been chasing him intent on killing him seemed to have lost all interest in harming him.


 

Because the victims were from the left?  And if an armed leftist shoots and kills a rightist demonstrator?  Your opinion then?  It goes both ways.

I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume you are ignorant as to the way that scene developed,and are not a professional fool.

An award for killing is an amoral award that supports extinguishing life.

So,the decorations US Military members earned while putting their lives on the line to defend and protect America during all her wars  means these same vets were/are immoral people?

Are you SURE you shouldn't be posting at DU instead of here?

A killing is a killing no matter the politics involved.

And a fool is a fool no matter what false premise they support.

Political positions are all well and good, but supporting killings out of anger at the other side is not what makes a country civil.  You may ask "civility, with these bone headed leftist agitators?!"  but that's the point, we need more civility.  We don't need angry teenagers with guns.  (Both kinds, inner city types and from Wisconsin.)

You may well be THE most clueless poster I have ever seen in all my years of posting.

BTW,"I* was still a teenager in the photo to the left of me holding the submachine gun in VN.

Are you going to tell ME that I didn't have the right to shoot the "peace-loving soldiers of the North Vietnamese Army" who had been trying to kill me while invading South Vietnam?

[sneakypete]

I don't see in the video that the crowd was armed when he was approached.  (I just saw the video)   A mob ready to tackle him, yes. To beat him, probably. No police, definitely.  This kid was not from that community.  Why he felt the need to make an appearance only he knows. According to the law in Wisconsin he was too young to carry that type of weapon.  I think that he might have been scared (angry, perhaps not) but scared enough to pull the trigger.  The legal aspect alone of him not having the right in Wisconsin to carry a gun might be sufficient to throw the book at him. A hero for protecting a town not his own?   OK.  I'll take that thread. But it's a sad state of affairs to rely on armed teenagers for defense.  And take on the burden of killing another human being.  Sad.

@HuskyPatriot

Grab a Antifa round the neck,hug him,and sing along with me.

"We iz da wurld.......

We iz da peep-pulls......"

[verga]

But why is a seventeen year old shooting and killing people acceptable?  Because the victims were from the left?  And if an armed leftist shoots and kills a rightist demonstrator?  Your opinion then?  It goes both ways.  An award for killing is an amoral award that supports extinguishing life.  A killing is a killing no matter the politics involved.  Political positions are all well and good, but supporting killings out of anger at the other side is not what makes a country civil.  You may ask "civility, with these bone headed leftist agitators?!"  but that's the point, we need more civility.  We don't need angry teenagers with guns.  (Both kinds, inner city types and from Wisconsin.)

He was acting in self defense after being attacked THREE times.
ABC news video. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5AvEmFPq1g

Detailed video break down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbsOIoqcit4&bpctr=1604407959
Verification of the video directly above from a lawyers perspective.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSU9ZvnudFE&t=33s&bpctr=1604408730

You are entitled to your own opinions, just not your own facts.

[HuskyPatriot]

@sneakypete

You are comparing this teenager in your posts to a trained military soldier using force in a declared war.  I would never, ever dispute the right of military to use force against a declared enemy of the United States, and kill that person or persons.  I repeat that I find it sad that this kid found it necessary to kill out of fear because of the situation when protestors (who I very much disagree with btw) are left to run rampant. 

This is a very vehement thread and I will leave it to the vehement and personally better informed participants in the use of force to post.  My wording seemed to be too mild and pensive for the audience.

Thank you for your service sneakypete.   And thank you all who may have served in this thread.   

Now onward to victory tonight! 

[IsailedawayfromFR]

I don't see in the video that the crowd was armed when he was approached.  (I just saw the video)   A mob ready to tackle him, yes. To beat him, probably. No police, definitely.  This kid was not from that community.  Why he felt the need to make an appearance only he knows. According to the law in Wisconsin he was too young to carry that type of weapon.  I think that he might have been scared (angry, perhaps not) but scared enough to pull the trigger.  The legal aspect alone of him not having the right in Wisconsin to carry a gun might be sufficient to throw the book at him. A hero for protecting a town not his own?   OK.  I'll take that thread. But it's a sad state of affairs to rely on armed teenagers for defense.  And take on the burden of killing another human being.  Sad.

You did not see the video then.  Go look at it and come back here as it is useless to communicate with someone who lacks knowledge and is making it up on the fly.

He was shot at prior to him taking any shots.  Police have already apprehended that guy.  And a gun is clearly visible in the hand of the last guy he shot.  Getting hit by a skateboard to the head can constitute being hit by a lethal weapon as well, and the guy who tried to smash him with his feet needed no weapon other than his shoes to inflict bodily harm.

All of these are more than enough to defend oneself with a weapon like this young man did.  I would certainly do the same when threatened like that.

And it is really stupid to argue that 'he was not from the community'.  Many of the rioters were not from that community.  They were criminals and were attacking a minor without provocation.   Why? Because he chose to assist in defending a business from the mob.  i call them really stupid as they were attacking a person openly carrying a weapon that could kill them.  Who in their right mind would so this anyway?

[catfish1957]

You did not see the video then.  Go look at it and come back here as it is useless to communicate with someone who lacks knowledge and is making it up on the fly.

Case will be highly watched, and will be a full blown strawman on our ability to defend ourselves from the Antifa mob.

[Lando Lincoln]

I drove through Kenosha County yesterday evening on I-94 during President Trump's rally there.  All the overpasses and exits had a police presence.  I couldn't help but think of all that is at stake. 

[PeteS in CA]

... Maybe because the first one he shot was wearing body armor,a helmet,and hitting him in the head with a skateboard and trying to kill him ...

While the intelligence of the dude with the skate board was obviously questionable, hitting people over the head in that manner is deadly force, just not as effectively or immediately deadly as a bullet from a fire arm can be. IOW, Rittenhouse used deadly force to defend himself against deadly force.

BTW, as best I know, neither "body armor" nor a helmet are protective against an AR-15-type rifle firing .223 or 5.56.

[XenaLee]

Case will be highly watched, and will be a full blown strawman on our ability to defend ourselves from the Antifa mob.

Just think.... if the radical left can get away with prosecuting non-leftists for defending themselves and/or their private property with a Republican president in the White house....

what will they be able to do to us with a DemocRat in the WH?   One shudders to contemplate it.

[Elderberry]

While the intelligence of the dude with the skate board was obviously questionable, hitting people over the head in that manner is deadly force, just not as effectively or immediately deadly as a bullet from a fire arm can be. IOW, Rittenhouse used deadly force to defend himself against deadly force.

BTW, as best I know, neither "body armor" nor a helmet are protective against an AR-15-type rifle firing .223 or 5.56.

There are protection levels of body armor and my son has an AR500 plate that slides into his.

[LegalAmerican]

@HuskyPatriot

I dunno. Maybe because the first one he shot was wearing body armor,a helmet,and hitting him in the head with a skateboard and trying to kill him after he tripped and fell down trying to run away from him,and the second guy had a 9mm pistol in his hand and trying to point it at him when the 17 year old kid shot him?

Call me a radical if you want,but it seems to me his shooting was well-justified.

AND......,what did he do after shooting those two and was able to get back to his feet? Did he continue shooting until he ran out of ammo? Nope,he walked away. He didn't have to run THIS time because for some odd reason the mob that had been chasing him intent on killing him seemed to have lost all interest in harming him.


 

I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume you are ignorant as to the way that scene developed,and are not a professional fool.
 

So,the decorations US Military members earned while putting their lives on the line to defend and protect America during all her wars  means these same vets were/are immoral people?

Are you SURE you shouldn't be posting at DU instead of here?
 

And a fool is a fool no matter what false premise they support.

You may well be THE most clueless poster I have ever seen in all my years of posting.

BTW,"I* was still a teenager in the photo to the left of me holding the submachine gun in VN.

Are you going to tell ME that I didn't have the right to shoot the "peace-loving soldiers of the North Vietnamese Army" who had been trying to kill me while invading South Vietnam?

ONE of those who thinks, steak, just appears in Grocery store.  Nothing is killed. 
 

[LegalAmerican]

Husky is female?   

[sneakypete]

While the intelligence of the dude with the skate board was obviously questionable, hitting people over the head in that manner is deadly force, just not as effectively or immediately deadly as a bullet from a fire arm can be. IOW, Rittenhouse used deadly force to defend himself against deadly force.

BTW, as best I know, neither "body armor" nor a helmet are protective against an AR-15-type rifle firing .223 or 5.56.

@PeteS in CA

No,but they are better than nothing,and might be effective against tear gas rounds,bricks,etc,etc,etc.

They are definitely effective against fists or feet,and that is all most of the citizens they would be going up against were armed with.

And let's face it,how lucid CAN these freaks be to be ANTIFA members? Most are in their 20's and 30's,don't have/have NEVER had jobs or careers,no college degrees,no trade school degrees,and no future at all because they are too lazy to work. Nothing but slackers looking to blame their failures on everyone but themselves.

[Smokin Joe]

President Trump wins and this kid will be pardoned immediately after the gavel falls on a "guilty" verdict.

Examination of the available video would exonerate him on the basis of self-defense. There should be no conviction, period. The skateboard guy was using the edge of a skateboard to hit him in the neck and head. That sort of attack can easily lead to serious injury or death, especially considering that to be disabled when a mob is physically attacking (and has already attacked if you recall the jumping kick directed at Kyle) is likely to lead to further serious injury or death. The fellow whose bicep was blown off was drawing a gun on him. Plain and simple self defense, Kyle just shot first. Neither of those persons were under any constraints: they could have left him alone and not been shot, as I would wager, could have the first one shot.

They looked for trouble by attacking him as a mob, and they got what they looked for.

[LegalAmerican]

Examination of the available video would exonerate him on the basis of self-defense. There should be no conviction, period. The skateboard guy was using the edge of a skateboard to hit him in the neck and head. That sort of attack can easily lead to serious injury or death, especially considering that to be disabled when a mob is physically attacking (and has already attacked if you recall the jumping kick directed at Kyle) is likely to lead to further serious injury or death. The fellow whose bicep was blown off was drawing a gun on him. Plain and simple self defense, Kyle just shot first. Neither of those persons were under any constraints: they could have left him alone and not been shot, as I would wager, could have the first one shot.

They looked for trouble by attacking him as a mob, and they got what they looked for.

Husky appears to be a liberal.

 

[LegalAmerican]

@HuskyPatriot

Grab a Antifa round the neck,hug him,and sing along with me.

"We iz da wurld.......

We iz da peep-pulls......"

       

[Smokin Joe]

Husky appears to be a liberal.

 

Or just uninformed.

The standard for the use of lethal force in this State and most is the immediate threat of serious bodily harm (requiring hospitalization) or death.

That threshold was met, and is evident in the video.

I'm not sure how many here have handled a skateboard ("long board", as the kids call them), but there is about 5 lbs there that swung on edge would be capable of delivering a lethal or debilitating blow as it was used against Kyle. In addition, after the blow with the skateboard, the guy with the skateboard grabbed the rifle by the barrel and pulled it toward him, (which might have been the act that caused him to be shot). Kyle would have reflexively tightened his grip on the rifle, and pulling on it might have activated the trigger.

[LegalAmerican]

Or just uninformed.

The standard for the use of lethal force in this State and most is the immediate threat of serious bodily harm (requiring hospitalization) or death.

That threshold was met, and is evident in the video.

I'm not sure how many here have handled a skateboard ("long board", as the kids call them), but there is about 5 lbs there that swung on edge would be capable of delivering a lethal or debilitating blow as it was used against Kyle. In addition, after the blow with the skateboard, the guy with the skateboard grabbed the rifle by the barrel and pulled it toward him, (which might have been the act that caused him to be shot). Kyle would have reflexively tightened his grip on the rifle, and pulling on it might have activated the trigger.

lol. Same difference....no?  lol.

 I didn't want to say a LEFT.

  POTUS HAS WON FLORIDA!   

[Elderberry]

Bond set at $2 million for Kenosha homicide suspect

DENEEN SMITH Kenosha News 11/5/2020

https://www.lakegenevanews.net/news/local/bond-set-at-2-million-for-kenosha-homicide-suspect/article_d0bbd35f-7f9b-591c-94ad-415ad60c711e.html

KENOSHA — Kyle Rittenhouse is being held on $2 million bail as the lawyers leading his defense say they are continuing to seek donations for his bond and defense.

Rittenhouse, 17, of Antioch, Illinois, is charged with two counts of homicide and one of attempted homicide for allegedly shooting three men, killing two, during unrest in Kenosha Aug. 25. He made his initial appearance in Kenosha County Circuit Court on Nov. 2, three days after being transferred from Lake County, Illinois, where a judge ruled against his extradition fight.

Supporters have said they have raised more than $2 million for the defense. But according to statements online, the attorneys say they need additional money to pay his bond.

Although Rittenhouse would need to have a preliminary hearing within 10 days under state law, he agreed in court on advice of his attorneys to waive the time limit. His preliminary hearing — during which attorneys will argue whether there is probable cause to hold him on the charges — is scheduled for Dec. 3.

More at link.

[sneakypete]

Bond set at $2 million for Kenosha homicide suspect

DENEEN SMITH Kenosha News 11/5/2020

https://www.lakegenevanews.net/news/local/bond-set-at-2-million-for-kenosha-homicide-suspect/article_d0bbd35f-7f9b-591c-94ad-415ad60c711e.html

@Elderberry

The judge that accepted these bogus charges as ground for felony convictions needs to be ran out of office and brought up on federal charges himself.

We can no longer allow these rats to multiply.

[verga]

@Elderberry

The judge that accepted these bogus charges as ground for felony convictions needs to be ran out of office and brought up on federal charges himself.

We can no longer allow these rats to multiply.

t is possible (NOT saying LIKELY that he was over charged witht he intent that he NOT be convicted.

[sneakypete]

t is possible (NOT saying LIKELY that he was over charged witht he intent that he NOT be convicted.

@verga

I agree that it is possible,but have no idea how likely that is.