BREAKING>>Grand jury in Breonna Taylor case to present findings to Louisville judge at 1:15 p.m. We

[Smokin Joe]

Word to the wise: don't shack up with drug dealers.

THIS!

The 'thug life' may seem attractive to 'bad girls', money, drugs, being "cool" as glorified in a lot of Rap music, but the reality is pretty nasty, and can be fatal. That fatality can arise from deals gone bad, attempts to rob the dealer of drugs and/or money, or any number of problems that arise in a dysfunctional environment.

In this case, the active ingredient was a police raid, and that is subject to scrutiny, unlike those killed in shootings done by other thugs.

[Smokin Joe]

Anyone can correct me if I missed something, but Taylor's BF fired on the police officers. The police officers fired back, and a bullet that missed the BF also missed studs in the interior wall and went on to hit and kill Taylor (whose location the officers did not know). Over-penetration is a known phenomenon (and a good reason rifles are not optimal for home defense ... unless that's what you have ready to hand when need arises), but when an officer has bullets flying at him/her, what's (s)he to do? Shoot bean-bags or paint balls?!

BF started the gunfight and is the one solely responsible for Taylor's death, IMO.

Even assuming that the B/F thought that he was being robbed, the question arises of whether that believed robbery or invasion was due to the B/F's possible interactions with others who engage in criminal activities. Just responding gun in hand indicates there was cause to believe someone wanted to break in and proactive defense against that someone was thought to be necessary, for whatever reason.

[Smokin Joe]

Breonna Taylor Protesters Run to Parked U-Haul Full of Supplies After Charges Against Cop Announced (VIDEO)



Breonna Taylor protesters ran over to a parked U-Haul containing supplies for a (possibly violent) demonstration.

According to the reporter on the scene, the U-Haul contained signs, shields, water etc.

more
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/09/breonna-taylor-protesters-run-parked-u-haul-full-supplies-charges-cop-announced-video/

Rent-a-riot...

[mystery-ak]

Officer involved in Breonna Taylor shooting posts $15,000 bail within hours of being booked
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/517906-officer-involved-in-breonna-taylor-shooting-posts-15000-bail-within

[Polly Ticks]

Y'all, pray for Louisville.  I was watching the LMPD live feed on FB and they just had a shooting downtown.  At least one officer is down.


Now showing up on local news:
https://www.wdrb.com/news/metrosafe-lmpd-officer-shot-at-brook-and-broadway-in-downtown-louisville/article_8236bf40-fdfd-11ea-8fd2-d3f4b95b0f33.html

[Cyber Liberty]

Y'all, pray for Louisville.  I was watching the LMPD live feed on FB and they just had a shooting downtown.  At least one officer is down.


Now showing up on local news:
https://www.wdrb.com/news/metrosafe-lmpd-officer-shot-at-brook-and-broadway-in-downtown-louisville/article_8236bf40-fdfd-11ea-8fd2-d3f4b95b0f33.html

Cop shot.

[Lando Lincoln]

Y'all, pray for Louisville.  I was watching the LMPD live feed on FB and they just had a shooting downtown.  At least one officer is down.


Now showing up on local news:
https://www.wdrb.com/news/metrosafe-lmpd-officer-shot-at-brook-and-broadway-in-downtown-louisville/article_8236bf40-fdfd-11ea-8fd2-d3f4b95b0f33.html

My prayers for sure. I lived in New Albany, IN and worked in Louisville for 3+ years. Each day, I loved it more. I shed more than one tear when we left. But that’s beside the point. Prayers for all.

[jmyrlefuller]

I said it before, and I'll say it again: popular demand is not a means to get somebody arrested. That's not how the criminal justice system works.

[Cyber Liberty]

I said it before, and I'll say it again: popular demand is not a means to get somebody arrested. That's not how the criminal justice system works.

Correct.  It's how mob rule works, and this shit has got to stop.

[RedHead]

Well, for one thing... I'm not stuckonstupid enough to "move vigorously" around in my car and bend down like I'm pulling something from under the seat if/when a cop has stopped me for "anything".

Define 'moving vigorously'.  Since nobody is allowed to see the tape then it's a nebulous term.

Considering the current climate of cops getting shot just for being cops, who (other than a dumbass leftie) could blame cops for being a little nervous when someone threatens them by words or by actions and body language.   

Then why not open fire as soon as she stopped the car?   

By siding against the cops, you realize that you are signaling your political leanings here....

right?

Wrong.

And if someone is trying to break into my house, I don't care 'where' they live... they're going to most likely get their ass shot.

And if you did and one of the rounds went wild and killed someone in the house across the street wouldn't you be facing criminal charges?

[RedHead]

Anyone can correct me if I missed something, but Taylor's BF fired on the police officers. The police officers fired back, and a bullet that missed the BF also missed studs in the interior wall and went on to hit and kill Taylor (whose location the officers did not know). Over-penetration is a known phenomenon (and a good reason rifles are not optimal for home defense ... unless that's what you have ready to hand when need arises), but when an officer has bullets flying at him/her, what's (s)he to do? Shoot bean-bags or paint balls?!

BF started the gunfight and is the one solely responsible for Taylor's death, IMO.

Then why were all charges against the boyfriend dropped?

[mountaineer]

A Just Decision Not to File Homicide Charges in the Tragic Breonna Taylor Case
By Andrew C. McCarthy
September 24, 2020 6:30 AM

The criminal law is not designed to address every human tragedy. That is the lesson of the tragic death of Breonna Taylor. It was also the theme repeatedly struck by Kentucky attorney general Daniel Cameron on Wednesday, in announcing the indictment of one of the three officers involved in the raid that lead to her death.

The charge will not satisfy the mob. Neither the peaceful protesters nor the radical rioters, who have taken to the streets since shortly after Ms. Taylor was killed on March 13, are interested in the facts of the case. They could not care less how the law applies to the evidence a Lexington grand jury pored over this week. Their interest is only to set in stone a distorted narrative: Police officers on the hunt for a young black man, callously gunned down an innocent young black woman after supposedly crashing into an apartment without warning.

In light of that, the indictment will just fuel the mob’s outrage. The two officers who actually shot Ms. Taylor a total of six times were not charged. The indictment, instead, lodges three counts of wanton endangerment — not homicide — against Brett Hankison, then a detective (since fired), whose wild firing put neighbors in harm’s way but did not kill the young woman. ...

How they came to be at Ms. Taylor’s home, with a search warrant based on probable cause that evidence of narcotics crimes would be found, is the part of the story the social-justice warriors would have us omit. It needs telling.

When she was killed, Breonna Taylor was 26, a hospital emergency-room technician who hoped to become a nurse. But over the years, she had gotten involved with Glover, a 30-year-old twice-convicted drug dealer. Though never a targeted suspect, the New York Times reports that Ms. Taylor was entangled in the frequent police investigations of Glover. ...

Read article at National Review

[RedHead]

No one can quarrel with the grand jury’s conclusion that Hankison deserved to be charged because of his life-threatening recklessness. In another case, since he did not actually injure anyone, the state might have been content with firing Hankison. But the enormity of Ms. Taylor’s death made such leniency impossible to rationalize.

What?  Is he actually saying that since no crime was committed in killing Ms. Taylor then someone had to be charged with something so they drummed up reckless action charges?  And expected that to make the mob happy?  Really?

[mountaineer]

If that's how you want to interpret it, okay.

[RedHead]

Even assuming that the B/F thought that he was being robbed, the question arises of whether that believed robbery or invasion was due to the B/F's possible interactions with others who engage in criminal activities. Just responding gun in hand indicates there was cause to believe someone wanted to break in and proactive defense against that someone was thought to be necessary, for whatever reason.

If someone was breaking into your house would you wonder if maybe they mistakenly thought it was due to possible interactions with criminal activity?  I highly doubt it.  If someone is breaking into your house, or my house, or any rational person's house, the first inclination is that you need to protect yourself.  And grabbing a gun is certainly the way to do it.

[RedHead]

If that's how you want to interpret it, okay.

How do you interpret it?

[skeeter]

A Just Decision Not to File Homicide Charges in the Tragic Breonna Taylor Case
By Andrew C. McCarthy
September 24, 2020 6:30 AMRead article at National Review

I feel better about the wanton endangerment charge after reading this. The cop was a putz for blazing away at the apartment window from the parking lot, even though he hit nothing.

The rest of the case ended exactly as it should have.

[RedHead]

I feel better about the wanton endangerment charge after reading this. The cop was a putz for blazing away at the apartment window from the parking lot, even though he hit nothing.

Why?  According to the story the usual penalty for wanton endangerment when nobody is killed or injured is to fire the cop in question, which they did.  Why are charges warranted in this particular case?

[skeeter]

Why?  According to the story the usual penalty for wanton endangerment when nobody is killed or injured is to fire the cop in question, which they did.  Why are charges warranted in this particular case?

Because I thought they were charging him for returning fire in the immediate area of the threat, not from a parking lot outside.

Didn't say I agreed with him being charged at all.

[Smokin Joe]

Why?  According to the story the usual penalty for wanton endangerment when nobody is killed or injured is to fire the cop in question, which they did.  Why are charges warranted in this particular case?

The mob wants blood.

White blood.

Cop blood.

They want vengeance.

After all, that's what they have been incited to seek.

(A new TV might be a bonus).

Charges don't mean squat in the long run, acquittal washes that away, for the most part.

A cop getting fired is something, a nibbly for the ravenous mob, but hardly enough in the voracious atmosphere of 'being owed'.

"No justice. No peace."

Don't expect either.

[verga]

If she wasn't in an  iron bathtub, it likely didn't matter if she was in the same room. For instance:  source
If she was close to in line with the shooters and their target, even in another room, death was a possible outcome. Accounts say she was behind the boyfriend, in the hallway.

9mm is approximately .375 inches diameter. for ANY kind of expansion it needs to be traveling at a minimum of 1250 ft/sec Going through two sheets of sheetrock it is lucky to be traveling around 700 ft/sec. Hitting a human body at that speed will still deliver about 150 ft/lbs of energy.

[Cyber Liberty]

Then why were all charges against the boyfriend dropped?

That you feel the need to ask that tells me a lot about your real-world experience, or lack thereof.

[rangerrebew]

 Updated: Officers shot, protests escalate after Breonna Taylor probe yields no direct charges for police

    AP, CNN Sep 23, 2020 Updated 10 hrs ago
 

Hours after a Kentucky grand jury brought no charges against Louisville police for Breonna Taylor's death and protesters took to the streets, authorities said two officers were shot and wounded Wednesday night during the demonstrations expressing anger over the killings of Black people at the hands of police.

Interim Louisville Police Chief Robert Schroeder said a suspect was in custody but did not offer details about whether that person was participating in the demonstrations. He says both officers are expected to recover, and one is undergoing surgery.

He says the officers were shot after investigating reports of gunfire at an intersection where there was a large crowd.

https://godanriver.com/news/national/officer-shot-protests-escalate-after-breonna-taylor-probe-yields-no-direct-charges-for-police/article_8f2ea0c0-9906-594a-a854-17ed048c7e71.html#utm_source=godanriver.com&utm_campaign=%2Fnewsletter-templates%2Fbreaking&utm_medium=PostUp&utm_content=c9ff0a021cd0681270d677c58a6c48aca48df43f

[XenaLee]

That you feel the need to ask that tells me a lot about your real-world experience, or lack thereof.

Uhhh.... there's another explanation for the inane questions.   Just sayin.....

[Smokin Joe]

9mm is approximately .375 inches diameter. for ANY kind of expansion it needs to be traveling at a minimum of 1250 ft/sec Going through two sheets of sheetrock it is lucky to be traveling around 700 ft/sec. Hitting a human body at that speed will still deliver about 150 ft/lbs of energy.

Depends on the construction. Is that 5/8 sheetrock or 3/8 sheetrock? Construction codes commonly call for the former, but the latter is often slipped in to enhance profits.



However I would contend that after passing through two sheets of wallboard (both sides of an interior wall), most 9mm bullets would be capable of inflicting a fatal wound.